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0:00 Haunted by a ghost
1:08 How the new Mac Mini performs
3:08 Welcome to the ASUS ProArt PA279CRV
4:32 Keyboard, Mouse and things fitting perfectly on top of other things
6:40 There are cons, but there are pros - Věda a technologie
Losing the 27in was a loss. Most creatives I know had one for the home office setup.
I'm currently on my 27inch 2017 iMac, and I will hold onto her as long as I can for my music.
27” is too small for serious work. 32” is minimum and the 24” one is a joke
@@RaduUrsache. I agree with the 24 being too small for modern day, but 27 is a decent work size. It’s should be 27 and 32 now like it used to be 24 and 27.
I went all out on my 2020 27” iMac, the 5700XT 16GB is quite a good graphics card for macOS and boot camp windows 11
Yea legit left macOS for the first time in a decade and went windows laptop because they didn’t come out with a good one. I’m out until they fix this.
My office had about 7 $5,000 USD iMac Pros. It was painful to have to dispose of them because we switched our creative team to MacBook Pros and the iMacs could not be reused as displays without taking them apart. Even if it's uglier, buying discrete components makes much more sense in the long run, for nearly every type of consumer, than using an AIO.
I know that after that experience, I will never endorse buying an all in one again, unless there's a very specific commercial use (think point of sale terminal or something consumers don't care about).
There are PC aios with monitor in so you can just reuse the panel after. Apple just don't want you to.
@@toxicturkeyy exactly, before they had the target display mode.
It is possible Apple just software disabled it on newer iMacs
iMacs are an environmental disaster.
@@arturoehr this isn’t still the case, but the original reason they killed target display mode was because of the switch to the 5K panel. At the time, the hardware on a larger scale just wasn’t ready. DisplayPort could not handle 5K, so internally it was using two DisplayPort inputs and stitching it together to get a 5K image. Without some software magic and using two separate cables to connect to the iMac, target display mode just wasn’t possible at the time.
Obviously display cables caught up and they could have done it with a single thunderbolt cable including PD charging for a MacBook for a nice one cable setup a few years now. But at least *originally* there was a legitimate reason for it.
Me who wants to go with a laptop for my next computer because I hate having a big bulky desktop tower on my desk and would rather have the convenience of an all in one computer:
😅
I’ve been using the PA278CV, the slightly lower powered version of this monitor for about 2 years with my intel MacBook Pro. It works wonderfully, and for the price I paid for it, it was an absolute no brainer.
otherwise literally no one would buy the stupid studio display
@@jackieparzival8240 otherwise...otherwise what..?
@Joshua Bodenstein ---- Do you use your monitor as a 5k with scaling?
I have the same monitor and I am super happy with it. I've also got a laptop, so like this this video I've been considering the upgrade to a mac mini for the extra juice. I'll need to get a second monitor though if I do that!
CV vs CRV ?
The most expensive single piece of computing hardware I've ever purchased was a 27in iMac. It makes me sad that the current "all Apple" option is significantly more expensive than it needs to be. I also don't understand why they can't just enable target mode on the ones that have TB3. It should be possible, they just.. don't.
You can thank Biden for the high prices.
@@bigbearhungry983 ...wat?
@@bigbearhungry983 you know how to spot a conservative?
they never stop thinking about Joe Biden
@@bigbearhungry983 Huh?
@@griffin8062 Tim Biden, you know, ceo of Apple?
I still use a 27-inch iMac for video editing, and it is a pretty powerful machine. I wish they still made them :)
The design isn't tired, it's timeless and classic.
Or stagnant
Of all the reasons to hate macs, I'm not going to fault how they look.
@@spittylama Only in the minds of those who have no taste; for they only find beautiful that which is new, and thus, not the design itself. They do not seek truth, and therefore beauty, because they are ruled by the sins of envy, vanity, and greed.
This video was obviously an Asus commercial.
5:59 That is magical, it's like turning the petit Mac mini into a sort-of tower, and all the accessories line up so well underneath it 🤩🤩🤩
and none of the tower accesories were included in the total tally. Whooops
@@user-jt6xh2ln9z That was by design, the tower accessories certainly aren't needed for a complete Mac mini experience; just nice-to-haves
I am too poor to understand anything of this.
Same
Yup, same
Me too brother... Me too....
I have a similar monitor and that single-cable USB-C charge & video thing is absolute gold IMO. Being able to connect your mac with 1 cable is something I would never have expected. Then I use my macBook pro as a 2nd smaller ultra-hi-res monitor on the side. It's a great setup and very reasonably priced.
mac minis keep their form factor so all the companies making racking solutions for them don't need to retool, and all the equipment rooms using them don't have to buy new racking kits as part of the upgrade path.
And now, it finally makes sense......
The timing of this video couldn't have been better. I was literally having a conversation with my s/o about doing a setup like this instead of overspecing a Mac Mini or going the Mac Studio route (for what will essentially be a web browsing machine). Those matching hubs/hard drive enclosures for the mini were the trick.
I have swore by Asus monitors for years, I have tried nearly every category of Asus monitor they have and all of them are great. Also the only Touchscreen that works well with a Mac is an Asus VT229 and I have 3 of them in my audio live sound rig as control surfaces connected to a Macbook Pro M1 max.
I swear, I'm not really an Apple guy at all, other than using an iPhone, I don't have any other Apple hardware however, I watch every single one of these Mac Address videos. Horst's presentation style always just has me wrapped and I can't look away. Good job MA team! Keep up the great work and interesting content!
I have a hand me down iPhone and it doesn't compare to a MacBook, iMac, Mac Mini, etc. macOS is far superior to iOS.
@@chrisx5127 what even is the point of this comment
We are the opposite, the only Apple product I have is my M2 Mac mini. I don't like other Apple products.
Still using my ASUS ProArt display from almost 10 years ago, excellent monitors. (I have newer monitors, but the ProArt is still excellent, and I use it for TV/Film work still).
We use 2x Asus PA279 and M1Max Studios/M2Pro Mac Minis for our art department and they are great. The only issue seems to be that about 40% of the time, one of the displays won't wake from sleep and all my windows reset positions. I don't know if it's an OSX issue, or a firmware issue with the monitors.
Using the 24 inch M1 iMac and have no issues using it and doing all I did with the 27 inch. 4.5 k Display speakers are amazing. I tried the Mac mini and monitor however unless you get the studio display it always felt like something was missing and it was the monitor.
I prefer the reduction on cable mess that the iMac originally brought to my computer desk when I switched back in 2007. Over that time I had two iMacs, a 24" which is still running with another family and my most recent 27" (2013) which recently died. I had been holding out hoping for a new 27" iMac to appear but finally was forced to order a machine. I opted for the MacMini with the M2Pro and the Apple Studio Display. I agree with a lot of your thoughts here and decided that given I got nearly 10 years out of my last machine a bit of a splurge wasn't a major issue.
I have 2 of these monitors. Both started showing grey marks on the bottom bezel within 2 years of use. The RMA process was a nightmare and took me 3 tries sending it back to them before they were able to reproduce the issue. The monitor is amazing, however the RMA experience makes me question if I'd buy one again.
I have a 2019 27" iMac with Core i9 which I bought with minimum memory and upgraded to 64GB because it was so much cheaper to do it myself. Still runs great, MacOS and Windows in VMWare Fusion.
Why not use Bootcamp?
@@TheFrozenfish Better question is why would I? Using Fusion I can use MacOS and Windows (and Linux) at the same time. Best of all worlds. With Boot Camp you can only use one OS at a time. Since I have plenty of cores and lots of memory and storage, running more than one OS at the same time makes more sense.
apple silicon will smoke any intel based mac period! Most apps have adapted to apple silicon, using GPU core instead CPU. Barely get fan to spin
I bought the Asus ProArt for photo editing just over a year ago to go with my Dell gaming laptop. A couple of weeks ago I bought the Mac Mini M2 pro and the Satechi hub, and I LOVE this setup! I seem to be getting much better performance from my ProArt when using the Mac Mini vs. my Dell gaming laptop.
Give me the rumors a while back, I’m surprised they never updated the higher-end iMac. Even with the separate monitor solution mentioned in the video, Apple could’ve done a whole lot better (as shown by Asus). For one, no 120Hz or HDR are glaring omissions at that price.
For what do you need 120 hz?
@@harmvzon it's just so much smoother. Guarantee you've never gotten used to it and then went back if you're asking that.
@@toxicturkeyy i have 144 hz at home for gaming and 60hz at work. For work 60hz is fine and no need for hdr. Especially if your grading. If you want to do hdr grading, you’d better bring some better hardware than the apple display.
For gaming I like butter smooth 144 hz, but 144hz gaming on a Mac isn’t happening.
@@harmvzon 60hz for work is fine, yes, but it can be better!
HIGH REFRESH RATE MASTERRACE!
I use 165Hz and 60Hz, I can barely tell the difference between the two
I prefer the Mac Mini with a monitor. I have an older , yet fully upgraded, Intel based one, and unless I need the processing power I'm usually using it instead of my M2 Macbook pro. After I get my new thunderbolt dock it will probably be a different story though, but that's going to be a few weeks.
I have a ProArt display. Excellent if you do any photography, illustration, or video editing work (or just any creative endeavor where color accuracy is crucial). It helps that they are also G-Sync/FreeSync compatible too.
That stack of computer elements does remind me of a stack of audio players at my grandparents. With a radio, cassete player, cd player all similar units stacked onto one another
7:40 there should be written m2 pro instead m1 pro
Large iMac discontinued
Normal people solution:
- buy Asus monitor
- different computer
Apple user solution:
- wait
I prefer something modular because I like adding a second display or connecting to a switch when I'm not working. Those are hard limitations to an iMac.
I love the Pro Art set up way more. Maybe because of the options, stacking or just the price. I just feel as if I'd prefer it. I've been eye balling the Pro Art.
Lucky that I just happened to buy the 5k iMac in 2019. Not a fan of the 24 inch colored iMac design and it is hard to find better value than the 27 inch. Apple prices also went up sharply here, so the buying window seems to be gone.
The fact that Apple has refused to support Displayport MST for this long is quite infuriating. As a developer, having extra display space matters almost as much as performance, but not being able to take advantage of DisplayPort daisy chaining on my monitors is quite frustrating
If I didn’t need to be on the go though, the Mac mini is a great budget setup. One of the advantages of Mac minis is their integrated power supply, which is great for cable management. Not to mention I wouldn’t need a fancier display with color certifications. The AIO just seems bulky and if I needed to switch devices, like a windows desktop, I couldn’t
Yeah now tell me why we can't use the new iMac 24" as a monitor!
I am LOVING my PA279CRV monitor! One of the many great things about it is that is sooooo adjustable: up and down, tilt, and even spin!
I used to have an old school, Bondi blue iMac. Got me through college (2000-2005). However, as great as it was when I needed it, I love the Mac mini. I like having options when it comes to monitors. The same goes for keyboards and mice, hence why I've never bothered with any MacBooks.
The Mac Studio confuses me, especially with the M2 Pro outpacing it in some stress tests (at least for single core workloads). Maybe we can look forward to some serious price drops on them in the near future.
I think this corner studio/video area really suits mac address. The vegetation vibes really well with apple's design forward approach.
I always envied the 27" iMac for its screen, but didn't want to buy a display I couldn't reuse with an upgraded computer. I was so happy when the Studio Display was announced and instantly ordered two to combine with a Mac Studio. Damn expensive, but boy, the best setup I've ever had. I'm extremely happy with it.
Thanks for the review! I'm always on the lookout for a good monitor. I typically use a laptop for my main computer and hook it up to a larger, more powerful monitor to do more intense design work on a larger canvas. I'm still using a first-generation LG Ultrafine 5K. It works well, but it's starting to show its age. I'm going to stick with my LG for now, but I think ASUS has something good here that I would consider for office setups on a larger scale.
I just bought the MacBook Pro M2 Max upgrading from my 2017 Intel iMac and I spent so long trying to research a monitor that was 32-in for a decent price. I ultimately went with the Samsung QN 90B 43-in display. It's very close for color accuracy when calibrated, the only downside is the viewing angles. But the brightness is comparable to OLED and works really well for video editing and as a workspace for managing a lot of windows of projects at the same time.
One of the most visually satisfying and beautiful shots in a yt video. Feels like I’ve been needing that breath of fresh air, I’m definitely a sucker for natural lighting. Great work Mac address team! ❤
It's a professionally shot ASUS commercial.
I’m getting my mom a mac mini. Her 14 year old imac needs to go and it’s a miracle it still runs lol. Thanks for the display recommendation. Hope the built in speakers are decent enough
Unless your mom does color accurate work like photo or video editing, this display is wasted on her. With a delta E of 0.6, you're paying for accuracy humans can't perceive, and leaving out nice consumer features like hdr or good speakers or good black levels.
Getting an oled for this price, or getting a cheaper ips lcd and pairing with good speakers, would be better.
What evildude writes is correct. Choose a different display monitor for your mother which suits her better and costs less.
@@evildude109 thanks for the sound advice. You are right. Gotta rely on built in speakers cause she doesn’t have room for speakers though.
@@megasxlr22 could she use a monitor mounted or smaller soundbar in lieu of built in speakers? That should save on space and give a much better audio experience than using the typically super crappy inbuilt ones found on the vast majority of desktops or monitors.
@@whenhen it would be nice but I don’t think she wants it that way. I greatly appreciate the suggestion though.
I got my parents a Samsung M8 monitor for their Mac Mini, it came with a webcam and a sort-of USB hub. It's a pretty neat solution for less than half the money. It's a shame apple doesn't make a cheaper display.
My 2013 27" inch iMac bit the dust a few weeks back and after much deliberation I decided on the Mac Mini M2 Pro with an Asus 32inch 1440P monitor, I already had the other peripherals so I'm all in at $1700 which today in my eyes is a Bargain considering the iMac cost me $2400 new back then. I have to say I'm glad I went this route, I absolutely love this little rocket and will be expanding the storage down the road.
With the MacMini you can add multiple monitors and keep the same look at specs across all of them.
I use the 27 in Dell ultra sharp from last year with the IPS black display. It's pretty minimalist in design, has plenty of ports and even has software that lets me control the display settings within Mac OS. Only real issue I've had is the thunderbolt hub function occasionally. Not working properly though. I don't know if this is just the nature of port hubs and dongles.
I have the same probably. IMHO Dell makes better monitors than ASUS. In this one, you can adjust the USB-C priority to be high quality screen vs better USB-Hub bandwidth. I think you can try that out.
When it comes to non-Apple monitors, I’ve always preferred Dell Ultrasharps. They’re not cheap, so they’ve tended to be work displays, but they’re the clearest monitors I’ve had outside of Apple’s displays.
The problem is with this setup is that it is a desktop tower display as the whole point of the imac is the simplicity of having one cable plugging into the back of the all in one display and computer
The closest that I think ltt got was the desk computer or the computer built into the desk and I would love a rollable screen for the imac or a foldable iPad mini or a Microsoft studio setup
The original blue imacs were a revolution and we are not going to get a revolution like that again as playing around with designs in stable diffusion an art AI program
I hate that the new imacs are not upgradable and don't start of with 1 tb of storage as phones and computers should at least start of with this
Would love to see more audio production focused content as I feel like the higher processing power of the M2 Pro chip or even a spec’d out M2 Mini would benefit that greatly in terms of exporting and moving around a timeline full of tracks.
Check out Neil Parfitt, he's done a lot of audio-focused Apple stuff (especially with the rack mount version of the Mac pro)
Did you ever watch this video? czcams.com/video/75E0aj1qaw4/video.html
@@macaddress Never got recommended that one, great video. Makes me remember why I went Windows instead of M1 when I upgraded my music workstation, lol. Even today some of my favorite plugins don't have native M1 support.
Would really love a more detailed benchmarks of some common DAWs and plugins across a few different machines. But maybe that's more LTT territory. Tell Linus!
@@macaddress gosh darn it how did I only just see this reply. Thank you
Dear MacAdress, please make a video about the native “retina”-scaling and why 4K is a bad idea. To get the moast out of your display when using a Mac mini or Mac Studio, you need to drive a 2k or 5/6k display. This is really interesting. I researched ALOT before I bought my BENQ 27 2k-display for editing video. And it is awesome!
Yes, please publish a video about this 2K / 4K / 5K issue with UI scaling by macOS. Thanks!
Can you please name the name of your Benq monitor? Thanks a lot!
@@paulhorn24 BenQ SW270C 27"
@@martinhoog2420 thank you 👍
Now that would be a neat vid. I'm currently using a 23.8 QHD display from Lenovo, and I think everything looks great.
Makes me wish we had Displays around the 24 in. range (with USB-C charging, and QHD), since not all of us have rooms or workspaces large enough to accommodate a 27 in. Display.
Great video! Your analysis is exactly what I am encountering in upgrading the 2015 iMacs in my classroom. They have ended their OS upgrade cycle. Because the new Macs need to be ordered now to be in the classroom for August, I have to forgo a M2 iMac since they don't yet exist. I am having to buy pretty much what you specked, including an alternative to the high priced Mac monitor. Apple should have released the 27in M2 iMac in early 2023 so they could be ordered for next school year.
This is the setup that i will buy this year. I still saving money for the M2 Mini 256 16RAM, but i already buyed a ProArt Display and the M.2 Base dock.
My 2015 5K iMac started to give me up.
The older iMacs got away with big bezels because they did it right. The perfect all in one with a 5 k screen and internals?/
Honestly, between the iMac and the Mac Mini setup, I went for the Mini setup. I've been using something akin to what you've got on your desk (except mine is centered around an M1 Mini) for about a year and a half now and it's worked out great. I've been thinking of upgrading to the M2 Mini and I really like the idea of that add on you used with the M.2 drive and the front facing ports!
This is genuinely a useful ad. I am in the market for this and could get two of these for one apple display and still have cash left.
The absolute dealbreaker for the studio display for me is a singular usb-c port for display input so it’s only for one device. That’s ridiculous especially given the price.
Classic Apple, Problem is I'm so deep I can't justify the cost of switching to Windows. My costly software is all Mac only...
Maybe if you got a better job or studied harder. lol.
I would love having a 28 inch imac with apple silicon and 5k display, so much more tidy and the thin body they come in with colors would be super cool too, they could do a 28in and 32 would be ideal and sell like crazy
Yeah that way they would not sell any of their monitors that's for sure. It means it's unlikely to happen.
I have a 32" display, won't ever go back to anything smaller or bigger.
@@zeus1117 I think they could sell enough large imacs to make up for that over priced monitor, which didn't seem to be a massive success anyways
@@chrisx5127 My next monitor I think I am going 32, I have a 28 inch right now and 32 feels like it would likely be the sweet spot
Totally agree! I have been using Minis since 2006, but I'm ready for an iMac now!
Definitely a Mac Mini for me, really like them a lot. The compact size, cheaper configurations, and for me, the built in power supply for that size. It always baffles me when a company comes out with a Mac Mini killer, only to have it come with a power brick. I have mine with 2 other PCs and a PS5 on an HDMI switch that goes to a monitor and a projector. Throw in a Logitech MX keyboard and mouse with device switching and I’m set.
I recently bought a similar Dell, the U2723Q, and it works well with the M2 Pro Mini. I prefer separate monitor and computer exactly for the upgrade path and because I can then use several computers with the same monitor.
a great alternative would be the LG Ultrafine 5K Display, a true retina display for Mac
No, it's not. There are a lot of chipset issues with the LG, which is way Apple dropped them and made their own Apple Studio Display.
Apple’s pricing are always done with “meaningless greed”.
I currently use the cheapest model in their ProArt series which is a 24 inch one, but it's well-built and super functional. Asus offers such great monitors at much lower prices. They had to cut corners somewhere so the speakers on mine aren't great (at least not as great as the more entertainment-focused monitors Asus offers, which have amazing speakers), but overall the value is amazing.
I have that exact monitor paired with my 2019 Mac book pro. Since I retired I don’t carry the computer around much. The monitor is awesome. Love the one cable only solution. Only issue I have is when editing video with iMovie for whatever reason I have to work on the laptop as a laptop. Somewhere in the or and iMovie updates iMovie no longer displays video on a 2019 mbp in clamshell mode on an internal display. But other than that that display is amazing.
The UI scaling of macOS iis the only issue with 4K displays. It's really hard to discern the difference between 4K and 5K otherwise.
I was about to say, this seems like an large oversight from the LTT team to be recommending a 4k 27" monitor for MacOS.
@@theedmanHD you mean like they have at 4:18?
I use betterdisplay on my 4k screen. I have an m1 MacBook Air and the 4k scaling makes all my icons unreadably small, works fine though with betterdisplay
This is the exact reason why I shell out $1600 for the studio display. lol
I think the iMac had its place but as soon as they removed target display mode it went downhill. Although the modular set up as nice as you only have to change out certain components as needed and then they can be regifted a new life. Both in upgrading the system and handing off old components to somebody else.
i still have the 27 inch iMac & still love it. Im considering a MBP then adding a 27" 4k display...looked at the asus, but the bad reviews on Amazon scared me away...
Still rocking my 2007 27” iMac. Waiting for the right upgrade to come along.
I bought the Macmini M1 and a LG monitor a year ago after carefully studying the specs. The monitor has multiple outlets and I have a hd and a Samsung T7 plugged into two of the ports avoiding the need for a hub, offsetting the price of the monitor with the savings for the hub. The HD is 5 years old and I use it for my Time Machine. The T7 is used for my FileMaker Pro files which are also saved to iCloud.
WOW was my reaction after using MacBooks for years.
Sadly I never got around to making a CZcams.
Do you know what the ProArt doesn't offer? or most displays at this point, a simple name! The price is neat tho.
I have the m1 Mac Mini and it's honestly the best computer I've ever owned. My first mac was a used late-2011 27in. I loved that thing but when compared with my current mini, it was a no brainer. My current monitor is...okay. I'll look into this one!
What I like about modular setups is when the sun is shining in though the massive glass panes of an (aquarium) office is that I can simply move or shade the CPU so that work can still be done instead of erecting a shaded canopy over the desk.
I might have a very specific reason for disliking iMac's.
I still have my first 24" iMac which I purchased in 2007. I bought a 27" in 2014 and another 27" in 2017. I am very sad that Apple no longer offers 27" iMacs. I am not sure what I will do when the 2014 and 2017 are no longer useable. I prefer the all-in-one design vs. modular but, I may not have much choice when the time comes.
The monitor is nice, but is the power cord removable??
You bet it is!
I've never been a big believer in the iMac, because of the screen-computer coupling. Laptops of course suffer from the same coupling, however, that coupling solves a problem (portability) that the iMac does not. I've had a 43" 4k display for use in my music studio now for several years, at least five. I've used it with two Mac minis, occasionally with a MacBook Pro, and now, with my Mac Studio. I'm actually looking for a second 4K monitor for it, so perhaps ASUS' sponsorship paid off ;-)
My setup has been a 12.9in, 2018 iPad Pro with a magic keyboard and an base model M1 Mac mini since release. I use this physical usb-c stick called luna display/astro pad to use it as a display for the mac when i need it, or just 100% disconnected when my wifi behaves.
You’d think you didn’t need the third party fix but not even with the newer continuity features or sidecar you can quite just plug them with a cable and them just working…
Still have my i9 iMac, I’m still using it as my photo edit and video edit machine and it’s still performing wonderfully. Four years old and I’m hoping to get at least another four years out of it.
I prefer the modular setup it offers flexibility and ability to improve as you need
I am appreciative of your video on how to break affordably 😢 into the Apple desktop for 2023. Thanks for some ideas, but for me not having a 27” iMac is a letdown, for... When rumors of the M1 iMac came out I was excited. I thought, ‘Finally! I can upgrade my ancient 2013 27” iMac to a modern M1 CPU’. Well, it’s been quite a wait, still no affordable 5k option ever showed up from Apple. So, sadly in the meantime I’ve become a traitor to Apple and jumped ship for Linux Manjaro which has the software I need, without the Apple price hike. I think that something hard and heavy would have to land on my head before I would shell out thousands for a Mac.
If other viewers are curious about Linux after reading the above comment, please have a Look at Zorin OS version 16 (or 17 when it will be published) with the Pro option (a onetime payment of 39,- Euro / Dollar) or Pop!_OS Linux. Both Linux distros are based on Ubuntu and both a very well suited for people coming from macOS or Windows.
The 24” is really not so bad if you adjust the resolution. My last setup was a 27” monitor, and the 24” is better than I thought it would be. It’s also an excellent 4.5k retina display.
My partner has a 2015 5K iMac. The 27" display is genuinely beautiful to look at. The only issue with it is the fusion drive. It has bit the dust and getting inside the PC is frustrating.
Thank you, for another enjoyable Apple desktop system video. What, I miss about the 27-inch iMac Pro and the 27-inch iMac models was they provided the user with choice. In 1996, I picked-up my first Apple desktop computer an All-in-One 5400 (had built-in speakers, Sony CRT, CD-ROM drive, floppy drive, Apple internal video card system with editing software, and Apple internal TV/FM card system with its matching black remote control); next was an All-in-One glossy white 20-inch G5 iMac; followed by a glossy white 24-inch Intel iMac. Afterward, I said no more Apple desktop All-in-One computers for myself and picked-up a 2010 "mac mini" (the last model with a built-in DVD super-drive) and paired it with a 2010, Apple 27-inch Cinema LED (none thunderbolt) display. If buying new today, I would get the "mac mini" Pro and the "Studio Display". Why? Because no need for external speakers, external web camera, and the 5K display (smile...smile).
ASUS make a monitor with resolution greater than 4K challenge (impossible)
Frankly i'm stunned at the performance difference between M2 and M2 Pro. Like seriously, how is that acceptable?
It’s pro for a reason. Users who wouldn’t take advantage of the extra horsepower need not buy it.
Why on earth would performance disparity be unacceptable? What moral or ethical standard exactly are you appealing to?
M2 Pro is double the size of M2 and M2 in the vid was 8GB RAM while M2 Pro was 32GB RAM (RAM increases performance as well). And if the M2 is the same as the same M2 in the MacBook Air, the SSD speeds also will be way slower because of production issues, which is seen with the M2 MacBook Pros as well
Because my friend and her kids don't care that it can't render 4k videos or do 3d models super quickly when all they want is a home computer that lets them browse the web, text, and maybe make video calls. It's a relatively cheap desktop that can do all of that without issue, sits in a compact area, and is made by a reputable company.
I prefer that modular setup you built in the video! Although the Mac Studio looked good also!
I started my Apple journey with the old iMac G4 lampshade. Beautiful machine but it broke my heart when it grew old and slow and I was left with, as you say, a beautiful display permanently tethered to obsolete hardware. I’ve been modular ever since.
These days I’m rocking the M1 Pro MacBook Pro with Apple keyboard and mouse, Edifier speakers and a Huawei MateView display. A beautiful combo that is easy to upgrade as parts need replacing.
The lack of non-Apple 5K displays is really disheartening. The entire rest of the monitor industry turned their nose up at higher displays for what I can only assume is... fear?
LG still sell those
LG and Dell both sell them. LG actually sells a monitor with the exact same panel as the Studio Display. Complete with speakers and webcam (though both of lower quality than the Studio). The problem with 5K is that you're stuck with 60Hz.
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Really wish that Satechi would make a Thunderbolt 4 version of the dock. With the option for an NVMe M.2. And maybe a 2.5" drive. Perfect all in one solution.
I love the Mac Mini M2. I bought mine as soon as they came out with 24GB RAM and 512GB SSD. I’m using a Mac Mouse and Keyboard from an unused iMac. I bought a ProArt 24” display last week (it’s not the model in this video) and I’m not impressed in the least. It works but it’s not a good display compared to Apple hardware. I’ve also got an LG 42” display; it is much better but not as nice as the 5K iMac 27” displays I’m used to. I’m still considering how to get a better display without shelling out for a studio display.
A lot of the speed difference observed between the M2 Mac Pro chip and base M2 in the Mac Minis is RAM and slowness of base 256GB NVME.
My Mac setup:
2019 iMAC 27, 2TB "Fusion" drive, 72GB RAM (original 8 + 64) + Qwiizlab HUB w 2TB NVME + 8TB SSD
M2 (not Pro) Mac Mini, 24GB ram, 1TB, 10Gbe ethernet, ASUS ProArt display + Qwiizlab HUB w 2TB NVME + 8TB SSD
15" MacBook Air M2, 24 GB, 1TB, +J5create hub w 2TB Nvme.
Love my ProArt display. It's not as fast as many but for photo or text work it's fantastic
I upgraded my 2014 iMac to the M2 Pro Mac Mini just recently. Ended up getting a Samsung 32" monitor (don't recall the model) that has a stand that clamps to the desk. I like it, esp. the M2 speed, but the monitor isn't as nice as the iMac's 5k. I want the glass front, shiny glass is crystal clear, anything else does reduce sharpness. The accessories you show are very cool, I'll have to get them. The modular setup does provide more options however, and what should have happened with the iMac is the ability to turn it into a monitor. That would be great, someone should develop a kit to convert them, can't be that hard!
I do prefer the 5k monitor but I'm not willing to pay for the Apple Display (yet). 🙂
Can you give us a link to those ‘stackable’ other components you show here! I just got an M2, and I surely need an external hd. Plus, that looks good, what you’ve done with that set up! Thanks!!!
I upgraded my 27" iMac 2019 with 64 GB ram and external SSD harddrive. And the new Sonoma OS made it way faster than on the Ventura version. So I am back to a good fast working iMac. I was considering upgrading to a Studio. But this upgrade worked really well, so a new computer will have to wait a couple of years at least.
I got the satechi USB hub last year, went with space grey for a two-tone aesthetic.
Macbook Pro 14" with M2 Pro + multi-port hub that sticks to the back of the monitor, and Thunderbolt powered 5K display, and I'm set. The lappy provides all the upgradability and continuity necessary.
Totally cosign the ASUS display. As someone who does major color grading, I can confirm that it's amazing value for the price point. I love it!
What is the best video monitor connection for a mac mini 2 pro? Thanks
Great video. However the final setup is in dear need of cable management and will still look clunky. Just get the base Studio Max and attach it to the display you feature.
Satechi Mac Mini Hub & Type-C is perfect for my sff pc i have a louqe raw s1 it is awesome but no front io ! thanks!
i’ll hold onto my imac pro as long as i can, and when it’ll go out, i’ll still keep it and try to fix it, even though it won’t run great
I have a 279cv attached to my Mac studio. It works well, but very occasionally has some issues connecting. A power cycle seems to fix the issue.
I hate the Magic Mouse so I use a Logitech MX Mouse. For a keyboard I use a custom mechanical wireless keyboard.
When is this monitor going to be on sale in the US?
I like the Mac mini solution with Asus pro art I was a Dell a ultra sharp fan until one of art faculty members brought the pro art monitor in. I’ll admit I don’t do much video editing but for the image editing and page layout work I do it’s perfect.
I have used a 32” Samsung F32TU87 monitor for the last 2 years or so with my Mac mini from 2018. At €450 quite a deal. And it has usb-c/tb3 ports.