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The “best” non diamond coarse stone on the market? That is a bold statement. I consider myself a connoisseur of coarse stones. You have definitely got me interested. I’m buying one 😁🤙

Well i was gona buy it. It’s 88$. Too many cheaper options on the market like the norton crystolon

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Thanks for checking it out 🙏 Yea I’ve just about given up on knives makers getting the choil correct, but i gotta call em out on it. If enough customers realize there is an issue, and voice concern, maybe someone, somewhere, will listen 😁

Hope you enjoy it! I’d advise watching some more videos on it, to make sure my details are correct 😂 Not coming with instructions is just silly

Thanks for watching 🙏

Thanks bro. Hope you’re good, and life is going your way 🤙

@@Jef enjoying summer here 🙂

Yea that seems to be the consensus. Everyone knew but me 😂

Right on. I guess it’s just the way they do things if you have that many examples.

@@Jef Ya… I really don’t get it either for that price point. I think it was Apostle P that said, Strider guys are like Jeep guys. Like, we know they aren’t the “best.” Sure, they could be considered overpriced. But hey, we like them. Though I will say with the ever increasing price, I have not bought any new pieces in a while. They were expensive back when they were cheaper.

lol Rob nailed it. I’m with ya one the purchase halt. I have only grabbed a handful of knives, in the last 3-4 years. China quality, hasn’t changed any U.S. manufacturing habits, so i doubt anything will. Even some of thier knives, are starting at an absurd amount.

Should be on the video description but i forgot to mention it while recording. It’s just 20cv

I can see it being a bit annoying, but the tanto, fake out grind, is what would upset me. It's like the belly was just placed flat against the grinder. You can really see it in the opening shots.

Thank you 🙏 I make mistakes all the time, but like guitar playing, if you play through, they tend to be unnoticed :D

Any time ;)

Riight? How does that even happen? It would be one thing if these knives weren't that expensive.

That tickled me hard!

The behind the edge thickness was surprisingly good. However, that stock, is a thick one.

As always, I truly appreciate ya watching, and commenting :D

Oh yea :) I forgot how much I liked it

Edge leading is the way to go. Edge trailing, tends to create burrs. Not an ideal move, for removing them. Everyone has they own way of doing things. If it works for you by all means 👍

Never had that happen, yet, but nice to know it may. Thank you 🙏

Which part did you add the washer? Where the knife clamps down with magnets, or the rod pivot that adjusts the level? Thanks for the info!

@@Jef I dissaaaemblied the clamp. To acsess top center screw. Take apart the clamp. On the bottom there are a nut. Take it off and add a greased washer. All contactpoints were lubed or greased or both.

Awesome question! I spoke about this in one of my flattening videos. I usually take it outside and dump it. If it is light in moisture, I’ve even dumped it in my trash can. In this scenario, however, i had very little cloudiness in the water when finished; i just tossed it down the sink. Not the best option, since the sediment can eventually build up, and cause plumbing issues. I’m in an apartment currently, while saving for a house. Not really concerned with it here 😂

I’ve been accused of it. When i have spoken incorrectly i try to correct it. Some folk just don’t take kindly to misrepresentation, unintentional or not. 🤓🤷‍♂️

@@Jef I wonder what those guys would say about someone like Burrfection. I bet they like him.

I dont watch burrfection but i hear he has a rabid following. Has he made false claims? Is no one in the comment section calling him out?

@@Jef to be fair to the guy, in the earlier videos he basically admits he does't have any experience or really know anything, and it's something he's "diving into." but then he goes on to make 1000 more videos where he's basically teaching others about knives and stones and never bothers to actually learn accurate info. So I would say yes, his videos are loaded with misleading information at best. It's all very promotional. I don't he cares, he's just trying to sell stuff and make money.

Yea i watched his videos when he first started. Think he had just a handful. I made a few comments about technique or stones, i cant recall, but his next video put out, claimed he was being attacked. 🤷‍♂️ I quit watching him after that.

Me too!

I like it too

@@Jef Marc @sharpworx is a great guy. I wish him good health and prosperity

Tohiro reg yes. From chef knives to go. It’s became my go to knife, for one reason. Stainless steel. I don’t have to wipe it down every time i cut, no worries of getting that carbon steel taste, on my food. Esp acidic stuff like tomatoes. I love it, and as you said, what more do you need in kitchen knife steel?

Glad it was helpful!

Yea the second side burred quickly. The first side, was stubborn. Dunno what that was about. I was spouting what little heresy, i had on these, from watching neuman2000? Think that’s his handle. The guy who developed the washboard system. He has shown the 800 in a few video’s, and discussed them. Yes, i lapped both. No crust, but they weren’t conditioned either. I’m sure doing it properly, or even with slurry, (that was suggested by another, as well) would yield faster results.

@@Jef I remember hearing somewhere the 1200 is the most highly thought of Juuma. And honestly I'm not really one of those guys that think slurry will increase speed very much but who am I 😅 Still interested in them because like you, I'm a sucker for hard stones (depending on the knife and steel I've learned, I'll often choose a softer Suehiro lineup for more abrasion resistant steels or steels that have been taken to a high hardness). Just ordered a King Neo 800 that one of the commentors in this video somehow convinced me to buy with one comment 🙄 A hard king ( I'm hoping it feels like a King Deluxe 300 - awesome stone) using green SiC sounds very appealing to me for stubborn steels. King stones are underrated in my opinion. I like the King 300 more than almost all of the other coarse stones I own, it's excellent. Very hard, doesn't load up, cuts fairly aggressively (although I think I would rate the finish/scratch pattern it leaves closer to 500-600, still cuts with the speed of a 300) is essentially splash and go and seems to have no problem with high end steels. Great one for you to try if you haven't

Yes king are over looked often. The deluxe 1200 used to be one of my favs. Then i discovered the Imanishi 1k, and forgot all about it. Still, it is a solid choice. Very predictable cutting speed. Not too slow; not too fast. The king 300 green sic I’ve heard varying opinions on. One from a guy i trust said it was very friable, and released grit too quickly. Never tried it myself but sounded like something i would avoid. Which is why i never grabbed one. I believe I’ve seen virtuvice using it in some of his old videos too. If it was the same stone, I’d draw that same conclusion. Too friable. Perhaps the formulation has changed or the stones i am thinking of were a different grit 🤷‍♂️

@Jef That sounds like a different stone to me. The current King Deluxe 300 that I have is a light blue color, I'm not sure if it's aluminum oxide or SiC, but it cuts all the steels I deal with regularly just fine. And it's the opposite of your typical friable stone. It releases VERY little abrasive, just enough to not load up or glaze over. And it's very hard, like way harder than the King 1000 or 1200 ( have both of them also). FAR less friable than the low grit Shapton Pro stones like the 320. Less friable than the 1k Shapton Pro even IMO, possibly equally so. I wouldn't recommend you a soft, friable stone 😉 I honestly think that stone would be right in your wheelhouse

Plan on grabbing the neo stone. May as well grab the deluxe 300 while i am at it 🤓

I’ve been told about that neo stone by many folks. I need to just suck it up and buy one 😁 Is there any more in the neo series or is it a one off?

Thanks man 🙄. For some reason your description made me promptly hop on Amazon and buy one. And one of the restaurant sized Deluxe 1000s 😆

​@Jef ​ So I got my King Neo 800. I have to agree it's a wonderful stone. However, I would not call it a hard stone 🤷‍♂️ The OP of this thread compared it to Choseras in hardness, and while I've only owned the 1k Chosera due to their known cracking issues, I would not put the King in the same hardness class. To me it's medium hardness at best and my stone is fairly friable and absolutely does release grit and slurry from the stone, and I'm not a heavy handed sharpener. IMO opinion it's true friability and not just entire pieces of abrasive letting loose, like a Shapton Pro 320 etc. I'm not saying this as a negative, I just don't agree with a few of his claims. I have only hit it with a diamond plate real quick to verify it was flat and take the very top layer of the stone off, and then conditioned the surface with a nagura. So it's possible the stone hasn't shown its true colors yet. All that being said many of his other opinions I agree with. Cuts just about anything excellently. Has a nice, creamy feel to it while having some aggression simultaneously. Leaves an excellent edge and finish for an 800 as well on the steels I've tested it on, which was S30V (Spyderco's), CPM-M4 and D2. Would make an excellent 1 and done type stone for stainless folders in particular IMO, but also fit nicely into a progression. I'm very impressed with it, it's just not hard in the way I think you prefer. Not so soft you're gonna be snowplowing it but easily gouged by the tip if you're not careful. It does have an excellent feel to it and very responsive tactile and audible feedback. It's very nice in that way. Lets you know exactly what you're doing with the bevel. Definitely a keeper and I see myself using it often for steels often found in high quality folders and some stainless Japanese knives that are regularly taken to 62-64 Rockwell. Has the speed to bring back a dull edge quickly but also leaves an edge that doesn't leave much to be desired. If they made an entire line of them I would buy them but so far the 800 is all I've come across

Wow, thanks for that write up. Exactly the kinda info that makes for a fantastic review. The hardness you describe sounds like many coarse grits available. Many have that friability you describe, which helps them cut so fast. The constant release of fresh sharp abrasive. I am just going to have to break down and purchase one myself, it seems. Everyone that has used one, has raved about it. Can’t be bad right?

@@Jef i made other comments about it but they never showed up. youtube is weird. you should 100% try it. I know you will like it. imo, and I probably have as many as you do, it's very similar in hardness and friability to the 2k and 3k chosera with a similar wear rate and feel but obviously courser. It's not a course stone but it cuts quite quickly. easily faster than 500 glass, either 1k or 800 chosera.

I thought i mentioned it. If not i should have. It is Bd1n. Easy to grind stuf

Thanks for checking it out. I forgot i had scheduled this one. Was still debating if i was even going to make it public, since I didn’t go into much detail, about the stones 😂

You are correct. They make the imanishi 220 pink brick, the imanishi latte 400, and the Gesshin 500. The original Aoi stone is the Juuma 1200. And that basically is the best juuma stone. The 800 and the 2000 is more of a marketing ploy. The Juuma stones require a good 45 min soaking and high initial pressure until the release a bit of slurry. Cutting performance is similar to shapton pro stones, but the juumas have a bit more tactile feedback. The stones shine with steels such as 440c, vg10, super blue, D2 etc

Thanks for all that information. I will try to mention it next time i record these stones.

Thanks bro 👊

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Thanks! Appreciate the hell out of the support

Cheers 🍻

I got mine from a local restaurant supply store but they are on amazon. Search for restaurant food tote. Here is a link to one similiar to mine. The dimensions of mine are 18in long and 12in wide. Not sure of gallon or depth. I usually turn it sideways with a smaller suehiro bridge but this device is very long so i turned it lengthwise. The stability doing it that way wasnt the best but it works. The sides are very ridgid unlike those “bus tubs” they also sell.

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Just water. You could use soap but it isnt needed when lapping.

Was my video difficult to find? Seems like typing lapping venev or flattening venev should Pull it up in a search. CZcams buries my videos it seems.

What are you talking about? I didn’t remove any post.

I looked for your last post and don’t see it. If it got deleted on my side, it was an accident. I wouldn’t have done that on purpose if it had information i thought was highly valuable to not only myself but everyone. My apologies if it was me

I checked my email as well. I got none saying you responded to any of my videos. The last one was 6 days ago. If it got removed it wasnt from me and youtube didnt acknowledge it even posted

Gritomatic.com or amazon. Not sure if it’s in stock. If not, check eBay.

Appreciate you checking it out, and leaving this comment. I think for left handed guidance it will be a nice tool to help develop that. You mentioning time and effort really hit home. Takes more than many realize, to put a video together. Thanks for the acknowledgement 🙏. My motivation has been in the trash the last few years. Would be nice if i could rekindle that spark and drive i had when i first started

Thanks for checking it out 👍

I’m digging it honestly. I didn’t think i would like it as much as i do. Just gona have to fiddle with it to really learn its quirks. These devices all have em. Shifting the rod has already been shown as one where i messed up. I should have adjusted the bevel angle on the magnetic clamp and not the arm. Wasnt much of an issue but any slight adjustment can really doink things up. Good to see ya bro. Hope you and the family are doing well 👊

That’s my thoughts as well. I’m actually going to continue using this for awhile and see of i can get the knack of it

This is the way. It most certainly does help your left get used to the motion. This was the original reason I purchased one.

Yep. Tape will save save ya from that

I love these types of products. I would have killed for something like this when I started. Lol it's so hard when u start.

@@Jefoh yeah. Learned after the first one. Then, after the second went well, I tried just taping the magnet holder… as you probably know, grit got in between the tape and the knife blade. Still scratched. So, taping the spine is the answer here, but I’m gonna go out on a limb and say, duh!!!!

We also have started embedding the magnets so that is isn't an issue.

@@sharpworx wish I had that holder and didn’t have to use tape.

Can you explain a little further? As i said, this thing has zero instructions. What “height of the rod” did i use to dial in? I just placed the clamp on the stone, and leveled it. Then tightened the clamps. Any help would be most appreciated 🙏

@@Jef Second time you marked the blade with a sharpie and then adjusted the height on the post to dial it in. On regular sharpeners the blade remains fixed and level in the clamp and the rod is tilted to set the angle. On that sharpener the angle is set on the holder and the rod is set level to keep the blade parallel to the stone. If the rod is not set level the blade swings in a slight arc as it gets closer to the post. This creates slight convex edge. If you wanted a convex edge this could actually be a feature. On blades with a large taper from spine to apex it will be hard to dial in the angle. That sharpener looks to work best on chef knives with thin flat blade. Clamp holders work better on blades with thick spine and deep hollow grind. Do they make a clamp holder for that style sharpener? Manetic holders havetheir benefits in speed but not always in accuracy on blades with hollow grind or deep wedge shapes with dramatic ckange in spine thickness.

Ahhhh i see exactly what you mean now. Ive seen that problem before on cheap knock off epa systems. Height rods would move around and cause all sorts of issues unless you figured out a way to keep them still. Appreciate the clarity

Damn, i totally meant to address that. No, you can’t flip it around. Well you can, but the angle is much more obtuse, and doesn’t match the other side. You might be able to readjust the arm, and clamp, to match, but it’ll be arduous. I’d just advise flipping, as i did. It’s not so bad, and my left hand, is useless

Thanks for checking it out. As far as i can tell the bevels are consistent. I got some slight wonkiness at the heel but it maybe from previous sharpening. Either way, doesnt affect cutting performance. Just aesthetic .

Thanks for checking it out 🙏