Ah, now I loved this, because although I've got a few folders and fixed-blades for the outdoors, the kitchen knives are what really see the day-in day-out use and need the sharpening. All different shapes and sizes, different sorts of use and wear. And I have to say one thing I truly love about this channel is you're confident enough to show and talk about the little problems you run into, like that bendy blade. Once you learn the basics, that sort of thing is what it's all about. Don't tell me how things generally go, I'm good with that, I want to hear about the funny little particularities you encounter, what causes them and how you work around it. Just letting you know you have fans who appreciate that.
Another great video. I am glad you did some kitchen knives, and showed the imperfections and the lack of need to go to a high polish. I tend to start with my 1500 SP and finish with a 4k SG and a really quick MDF with green strop. I don't have the 1K, but do have the 2K SP. I try for a two step on kitchen knives and like the greasy feeling SG 4K as the last step for now, but experiment now and then. Thanks again.
I think Shapton Glass would be excellent for kitchen knives. Funny how i always forget i have that set 😂 I’ve just become so accustomed to sharpening pocket knives on my Shapton pro, they are what i reach for when the time comes. I do like a high polish on my Japanese knives, but for what this individual does, i don’t think it is needed. Not to mention, the steels on these bad boys is questionable. Not even sure if it is worth the extra time to go that far. I guess i need to apply a super high grit to one of his favs, and see what he thinks. Up to this point, he seems to be extremely satisfied with them 👌👍
I'm always very impressed with the evenness of the bevels in your sharpenings. Really shows how well you can follow the exact angle the knife already has. I can hold an angle, but sometimes it seems like I can only hold ONE angle..whatever one I decide to hold the knife at, which usually results in widening the bevel and taking off more material than is necessary. What white compound are you using now?
I always use the white compound from strop man. It’s actually strop bro’s now, since he passed away. They used to sell them individually. Last time i looked you have to buy all four, or get a strop and add the white to it. I’ve emailed them twice inquiring about it and never got a reply. Take that for what it’s worth.
I don’t know what exactly it’s used for, but my buddy had it for cutting ribs and brisket. He says it makes nice straight cuts for his bbq competitions.
@@zulukiloedgewerx I used to have a whole series comparing them side by side. I ended up making them private bc I wasn't happy with the quality/length. Regardless, Shapton Pro have one major distinction over Naniwa, that makes them superior. They don't crack. Naniwa is notorious for that. I have spider web cracks through all my Naniwa stones, that can only be kept at bay, by lapping them after EVERY use. Otherwise the cracks reappear. Many say they do not have this issue, but I think they are a small minority. Plus, Naniwa will not support their own stones. When I made inquiries into this issue, they totally blew me off and told me to contact me seller. So that said, I am not a fan of them. I refuse to buy ANYTHING Naniwa now. There are many stones they have that I would like to try, but after all I went through, they'll never see a dime from me, Getting that all out the way. To make this easier on my self, I am going to refer to Shapton as (S) and Naniwa as (N). The 120 and 220 Shapton has no Naniwa counterpart. So they can not be compared. The 320 (S) is coarser more friable than the 400 (N). I will say, all the (S) feel in texture, coarser than the Naniwa. In terms of feedback, both are good. The (n) feels a bit more luxurious, if that is possible, than the (s). (S) 1K again, feels coarser, than the (n) 1k. The (n) is more friable, and one of my least favorite 1k stones on the market. I hate the slurry it produces, and it feels slick to me. The (s) on the other hand, really has a nice feel. It is scratchy, just the way I like em. Both the (s) and (n) 2k are similar in audible feedback. The (N) does have an odd texture though. Almost like there are holes, or pores, running throughout the stone. It is hard to describe. The (s) does not have this. It is quite hard, and can feel slick, if not conditioned. There is no 3k in the (s) line up, but the (n) 3k is magnificent. Except that it cracks The 5k (n) is one of the worst higher grit stones I have ever used. Mine crumbled into dust. It feels slick, and feedback is bad. Polish on the other hand, is quite good. The (s) also has poor feedback, although it is quite active, audibly. It will scream at you, if your angle is off. The feel reminds me a bit of ceramics, like the spyderco fine. It isn't as glassy as that, but there are hints of it when you sharpen. Slick, and very hard. I think the polish on the (s) is superior at this point, to the (n). That just leave the last 10k (n) and the 8-12/15k (s). I would compare the 10k (n) closer to the 12k (s). Although the polish is much brighter from the (s), it def feels like it has more coarseness, than (N). This is deceptive, but something to note. The (s) feels much harder, and doesn't absorb as much water as the (n). Again, the (n) has severe cracking videos.
thanks jeff for the explanation. Appreciate it man, i just got my (n) 1k and 3k. The first sharpening session was ok..i dont feel anything to love using it..after you mention it, its the slurry that bugging me for the 1k, true enough..the (n) 3k so far quite good..but yet to find out in the future...didnt get the (n) 5k though because of the said problem of cracking..(this is from my seller)..moving forward i might going for the (s) for future purchase..once again , thanks jeff,i felt good knowing all this detail from you. Keep it coming buddy..
Hi Jef, I was considering getting some of the SiC stones from gritomatic but I haven't really seen any long term reviews on them. I'm concerned about how flat they stay over the long run, I remember you saying they released quite a bit of abrasive when you used them initially. How frequently do you find you have to recondition them?
I haven’t flattened mine in almost a year. However, i only use em when you’ve seen videos on em. So maybe a dozen times. They do release abrasive particles but not at a dramatic rate. Plus they are super fast. So you aren’t actually on them for longer sessions. Of course your mileage may vary. As with all things, it depends on use.
@@Jef i tend to sharpen wood working tools pretty frequently so am looking for something splash and go and that stays pretty flat for a while. Maybe saving up for a venev might be wiser in the long run
What are you sharpening? Are you looking to use the nagura as a slurry stone, or just a cleaning stone? From my experience, the bolton is coarsest. That one or the tenjo (spelling) may be best on the 2 and 5k stone. The meijero stone, at least the one I have, is too hard. It just produces a slurry from the stone itself, and does not release much of it's own. Of course they are all natural stones, and may behave differently from what others have.
Naniwa makes artificial naguras that are nice but like all Naniwa products are insanely expensive. I do have the 5k nagura and it's super hard and very fine. Very good match for the 5k. It's hard enough that I would say around half the slurry produced is from the 5k Shapton if that tells you anything about its hardness. For naturals I would probably use the tenjo
Ah, now I loved this, because although I've got a few folders and fixed-blades for the outdoors, the kitchen knives are what really see the day-in day-out use and need the sharpening. All different shapes and sizes, different sorts of use and wear. And I have to say one thing I truly love about this channel is you're confident enough to show and talk about the little problems you run into, like that bendy blade. Once you learn the basics, that sort of thing is what it's all about. Don't tell me how things generally go, I'm good with that, I want to hear about the funny little particularities you encounter, what causes them and how you work around it. Just letting you know you have fans who appreciate that.
The problem areas are where the interesting stuff happens. I appreciate the kind words 🙏 thank you
Another great video. I am glad you did some kitchen knives, and showed the imperfections and the lack of need to go to a high polish. I tend to start with my 1500 SP and finish with a 4k SG and a really quick MDF with green strop. I don't have the 1K, but do have the 2K SP. I try for a two step on kitchen knives and like the greasy feeling SG 4K as the last step for now, but experiment now and then. Thanks again.
I think Shapton Glass would be excellent for kitchen knives. Funny how i always forget i have that set 😂 I’ve just become so accustomed to sharpening pocket knives on my Shapton pro, they are what i reach for when the time comes.
I do like a high polish on my Japanese knives, but for what this individual does, i don’t think it is needed. Not to mention, the steels on these bad boys is questionable. Not even sure if it is worth the extra time to go that far. I guess i need to apply a super high grit to one of his favs, and see what he thinks. Up to this point, he seems to be extremely satisfied with them 👌👍
Enjoyed the video, thanks for posting.
Thanks bro!
Wonderful content!
Dangerously sharp sir!!
Sharp enough to do a little cutting 😁🤘
That first knife is used to prune Christmas trees. Lol!
lol he uses it for slicing brisket and ribs
Nice work Jeff, really enjoyed the vid!
🙏 thank you
Really nice video Jef!! Hopefully you’ll get some nice bbq for your sharpening. Thanks for sharing brother 👊
😁 i hope so. He made us some chicken awhile back that was amazing. Picture perfect 👍
I'm always very impressed with the evenness of the bevels in your sharpenings. Really shows how well you can follow the exact angle the knife already has. I can hold an angle, but sometimes it seems like I can only hold ONE angle..whatever one I decide to hold the knife at, which usually results in widening the bevel and taking off more material than is necessary. What white compound are you using now?
I always use the white compound from strop man. It’s actually strop bro’s now, since he passed away. They used to sell them individually. Last time i looked you have to buy all four, or get a strop and add the white to it. I’ve emailed them twice inquiring about it and never got a reply. Take that for what it’s worth.
Nice job Jeff, that cleaver came out nice. I think that bread blade needed more work, it sounded rough after you did it on the 2k.
It’s warped. I did what i could with it.
was that a bread knife? looked more like something you would use to cut kebab/gyros meat with to me....
I don’t know what exactly it’s used for, but my buddy had it for cutting ribs and brisket. He says it makes nice straight cuts for his bbq competitions.
@@Jef i can definitely see that...... mmmmmh brisket, now i'm hungry 😂
Looks good as usual mate
Thanks 🙏
mesmerizing as always jeff..i havent tried the shapton pro stone line up yet..what can you tell bout those stone line up?
What would you like to know about them? They are my favorite set
in term of feel, feedback ,speed compare to naniwa
@@zulukiloedgewerx I used to have a whole series comparing them side by side. I ended up making them private bc I wasn't happy with the quality/length. Regardless, Shapton Pro have one major distinction over Naniwa, that makes them superior. They don't crack. Naniwa is notorious for that. I have spider web cracks through all my Naniwa stones, that can only be kept at bay, by lapping them after EVERY use. Otherwise the cracks reappear.
Many say they do not have this issue, but I think they are a small minority. Plus, Naniwa will not support their own stones. When I made inquiries into this issue, they totally blew me off and told me to contact me seller. So that said, I am not a fan of them. I refuse to buy ANYTHING Naniwa now. There are many stones they have that I would like to try, but after all I went through, they'll never see a dime from me,
Getting that all out the way. To make this easier on my self, I am going to refer to Shapton as (S) and Naniwa as (N).
The 120 and 220 Shapton has no Naniwa counterpart. So they can not be compared. The 320 (S) is coarser more friable than the 400 (N). I will say, all the (S) feel in texture, coarser than the Naniwa. In terms of feedback, both are good. The (n) feels a bit more luxurious, if that is possible, than the (s).
(S) 1K again, feels coarser, than the (n) 1k. The (n) is more friable, and one of my least favorite 1k stones on the market. I hate the slurry it produces, and it feels slick to me. The (s) on the other hand, really has a nice feel. It is scratchy, just the way I like em.
Both the (s) and (n) 2k are similar in audible feedback. The (N) does have an odd texture though. Almost like there are holes, or pores, running throughout the stone. It is hard to describe. The (s) does not have this. It is quite hard, and can feel slick, if not conditioned.
There is no 3k in the (s) line up, but the (n) 3k is magnificent. Except that it cracks
The 5k (n) is one of the worst higher grit stones I have ever used. Mine crumbled into dust. It feels slick, and feedback is bad. Polish on the other hand, is quite good. The (s) also has poor feedback, although it is quite active, audibly. It will scream at you, if your angle is off. The feel reminds me a bit of ceramics, like the spyderco fine. It isn't as glassy as that, but there are hints of it when you sharpen. Slick, and very hard. I think the polish on the (s) is superior at this point, to the (n).
That just leave the last 10k (n) and the 8-12/15k (s). I would compare the 10k (n) closer to the 12k (s). Although the polish is much brighter from the (s), it def feels like it has more coarseness, than (N). This is deceptive, but something to note. The (s) feels much harder, and doesn't absorb as much water as the (n). Again, the (n) has severe cracking videos.
thanks jeff for the explanation. Appreciate it man, i just got my (n) 1k and 3k. The first sharpening session was ok..i dont feel anything to love using it..after you mention it, its the slurry that bugging me for the 1k, true enough..the (n) 3k so far quite good..but yet to find out in the future...didnt get the (n) 5k though because of the said problem of cracking..(this is from my seller)..moving forward i might going for the (s) for future purchase..once again , thanks jeff,i felt good knowing all this detail from you. Keep it coming buddy..
The 3k is awesome. I hate that it cracks. Naniwa was my fav line. If that tells ya anything. Now Shapton reign, in my repertoire.
Hi Jef, I was considering getting some of the SiC stones from gritomatic but I haven't really seen any long term reviews on them. I'm concerned about how flat they stay over the long run, I remember you saying they released quite a bit of abrasive when you used them initially. How frequently do you find you have to recondition them?
I haven’t flattened mine in almost a year. However, i only use em when you’ve seen videos on em. So maybe a dozen times. They do release abrasive particles but not at a dramatic rate. Plus they are super fast. So you aren’t actually on them for longer sessions. Of course your mileage may vary. As with all things, it depends on use.
@@Jef i tend to sharpen wood working tools pretty frequently so am looking for something splash and go and that stays pretty flat for a while. Maybe saving up for a venev might be wiser in the long run
@@en510 yea for chisels and wear, i'd point ya towards venev, or shapton glass. they can handle that high pressure and not dish
which nagura stone do you recommened for shapton 2000 & 5000?
What are you sharpening? Are you looking to use the nagura as a slurry stone, or just a cleaning stone? From my experience, the bolton is coarsest. That one or the tenjo (spelling) may be best on the 2 and 5k stone. The meijero stone, at least the one I have, is too hard. It just produces a slurry from the stone itself, and does not release much of it's own. Of course they are all natural stones, and may behave differently from what others have.
Naniwa makes artificial naguras that are nice but like all Naniwa products are insanely expensive. I do have the 5k nagura and it's super hard and very fine. Very good match for the 5k. It's hard enough that I would say around half the slurry produced is from the 5k Shapton if that tells you anything about its hardness. For naturals I would probably use the tenjo