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Only one problem: there’s no Zonai in the original timeline. Where are they? Why didn’t they descend from the sky?

What I thought happened was that after the calamity, the guardians were far too dangerous to keep around because they might turn against hyrule again, so they repurposed them into the Skyview towers and other more modern sheikah tech. The shrines also would’ve been dismantled to make other technology and the towers would’ve likely sunk back into the ground. As for the divine beasts, I think it would’ve made sense for them to be buried again.

What about ultimate form?

That was a autistic watch, jesus christ. just play the game and stop acting like you know more than the writers lol you're like DBZ power scaling youtubers. HoW StRong GoKu REallY is!?

someone is salty lmao

Sephiroth really said: Canon event babes 😂

😮 wanna met him one day too 😢

Huh, I actually thought that Tears of the Kingdom also revealed to that Ganondorf his connection to Demise as well as how things were in different timelines (Especially in his "Demon King" form)

There is another example of Ganondorf having knowledge between timelines. In the twilight princess manga, as Ganondorf was chosen by the triforce, he sees how he was defeated in ocarina of time, and tries to prevent his next defeat too

I believe Rauru and Sonia's kingdom is the original founding of Hyrule, established between SS and OoT. Furthermore, I believe the Wilds era takes place far into the future of the Child Link timeline-what I consider to be the primary, canonical ending of Ocarina of Time, as it's the direct continuation of the game's story and post-credits scene. There's a lot of evidence that further supports this, and I in no way wish to debate or argue here; this is simply my opinion on the subject. I am excited to see what the Master Works will have to say on the subject~

1:24:11 that's a bad translation in Japanese they say he is better than his father

Few questions, how can botw zelda be a decendent of Sonia if she is murdered before bearing a child? And how can there be a sprit of the hero as a zonai if the last two zonai die long before the first great calamity? And I’m not sure follow the point about all the games happening in a single 4th time line? But didn’t? Or altered? That part was a little confusing

They need to remake the oracle games b4 mc its only fair ss there older.

3:36 Is the Hero's Shade the Spirit of Ocarina of Time Link? No! There is no evidence to support that Theory. You can say that Nintendo confirmed this theory all you want, but Word of God has its limits in what its canon or not. It's important to keep in mind that just because someone wrote a character or setting, doesn't mean they decided on a correct answer to every question that could possibly be asked about that character or setting. The statement from the Creator of X-Franchise will fall flat becaus if they wanted a certain fact to be canon, they should have included it in the work to begin with. Such as sexuality, gender identity, race, relationships, and character stories. Is Rainbow Dash and Applejack from MLP FIM are in a relationship? We do not know because it was never show. Is Rivet from Ratcher and Clank is actually a lesbian? We do not know because it was never show. Can Whiterbeard and King Ghidorah destroy a planet? We do not know because it was never show. Can Frieza destroy a planet? Yes because he show three time that he can destroy a planet. Statements are the kind of sentences that are either true or false. As such it is important to actually shows evidence to back up or refute arguments. Evidence is important because it shows the person what you mean and why you are right. This is the whole argument of Show, Don't Tell! So if the Creator of X-Franchise wanted a certain fact to be canon from character's feasts, sexuality, relationships, and story, they should have included it in the work to begin with. No amount of statements will convince people it's canon unless, they included it in the work to begin with. In Other Word! Show, Don't Tell! So if Nintendo really, really wanted something to be canon like the Hero's Shade be the Spirit of Ocarina of Time Link. They should have included it in Game Lore in the first place. So, I just debunked that theory, but I'm pretty sure that, out of pride and stubbornness, the Zelda Fandom is going to yell at me like maniac. Oh, well! What Else is New?

My guess is the book wont say a damn thing about timeline placement. That said.. i hate that and i want an answer. If i had to pick on to be true id go with 4th timeline off of Skyward Sword. Though i also align with the idea the downfall timeline is split from the alternate ending in Minish Cap. So me an unpopular opinions go hand and hand.

Reveal the truth now, Big N.

I hope we do get the answer, I have also always thought Skyward Sword should've caused another split so it'd be awesome if BOTW and TOTK are in another split

I mean, what they should do is make a "No way Home" like game, where we get 3 Link's from each timeline to face a villain who's goal is to merge the timelines for an evil purpose, but by the end of the game, the results end up bringing the timelines together into 1 singularly that shares aspects from all 3. This can explain both why we have items from different timelines mentioned in Breath of the Wild and why the art style looks like a mix between Ocarina, Twilight, and Wind.

I’d also like to bring cyclical timeline theory - where the Zelda timeline repeats itself, but each repeat holds slightly altered history and sometimes significant changes with each repeat. BOTW/TOTK could be around the second starting point. I like 4th Timeline the most - SS must have created a timeline split. Reset Hyrule is great, but only if they get really creative with it I’ll take it.

It’s people like you that enable game developers to continually put out garbage. Who cares if it’s in the same universe as the world ends with you? The game looks like crap and the gameplay is horrendously repetitive. Stop supporting these shitty games. There’s so much better out there, even in terms of games like Kingdom Hearts.

I believe that everything before will either still be the „Era of Myth and Legend“ or that they will place it in the child Timeline. If it is in the child timeline that would explain why Zants and Midnas helmet descriptions are phrased as facts while Ravios hat/lobster shirt as „myths“ or at least as sayings. This way it could connect to fsa where Ganon is more beast than man being one of many calamity’s in between that slowly turn into more mindless beast like we saw in botw. In that gap, they also could fit in a Dragonbreak if they wanted to. This Dragonbreak leaving the adult and downfall timeline as is, but also continuing them. But for that Raurus Kingdom must be first, which might be possible if the Interloper War happened before Hyrule‘s founding and destroyed the civilization as we saw it in Skyward Sword. Thats at least what I believe. We would have 3 timelines with 2 technically ending and one „main timeline“ that can also be a new unified timeline in some sense.

Yeah, no, I'm going to still say it's more than likely the theory that a few people already got to (after long thought) and less so this imaginary "we made it all up, lol, and everything that isn't these games is a different canon". I view these developers as far more creative, and far more forward thinking than that. I do believe they didn't officially release anything to confuse audiences and to provide a bit of "So why" to the mystery. My insinuated tmeline based on actual evidence from the game: - Tears of The Kingdom's Past - "Skyward Sword" (An incorrect story in game, potentially corrected in this Masterworks) - Ocarina of Time > Fallen Timeline - A Link To the Past > Spinoffs/Side Quests > Zelda > Zelda II > Child Timeline - Majora's Mask (spinoff) > Twilight Princess > Adult Timeline - Wind Waker > (Spinoffs) > Breath of The Wild > Tears of The Kingdom My belief is that they will define Skyward Sword as having two separate timelines. One timeline that follows the appropriate Universe of Zelda (above), and the other that follow a separate universe, which spawned Minish Cap & Four Swords/Adventure. "What but why would you even think that" Because Skyward Sword entirely eradicated classic lore of the game to replace it with it's own lore. - "Hylia" is a depiction directly related to The Light Dragon, of which this implies that Zelda turns into Hylia due to the Secret Stone, where she enhances the Master Sword with Sacred Light to become the Sword that "seals" the Darkness (The "True" Master Sword). Otherwise, it was the Master Sword, forged by the sages and imbued with magic from classic lore. - The booklet of A Link To The Past detailed a majority of the lore of the series that, in 2011, was retconned. TOTK preserves that lore, almost perfectly I know a few people will say "lol what there can't be two ganondorfs that just doesn't make sense", and that's where I say the basic "So why was there a demise and a ganondorf, and why would they be two separate people, while Link & Zelda are, in fact, Link & Zelda?" The part overlooked is that there "always was", one was a "symbolic representation of evil that incarnated into ambiguous villains" (whom, in the mainline series, was always Ganondorf). While this theory (and probably more practical) insinuates that Ganondorf The First was the original Geurdo King that turned into a Demon through the Secret Stone, the Ganondorf the Second was a thief who (also turned into a Bore from the Triforce) was a Surragate child to the 400 year old witches Koume and Kotake (Who are young in TOTK). Recap: - Koume and Kotake were in their 20's - 40's in TOTK. - Koume and Kotake were in their 300's in OoT. - Ganondorf The First would have been a naturalized born parent of Koume and Kotake (very likely, he's clearly older) - Ganondorf The Second was the Surrogate Child of Koume and Kotake (They're clearly older) - Ganondorf The First clearly knew of the past where a war happened against the Zonai (Leading to the death of his race) - Ganondorf the Second clearly had no idea about the existence of the Zonai, but did of course know of Ganondorf The First - Rauru the First was clearly the ancestor of Rauru in Ocarina of Time. As you can make a basic connection to understand: Rauru (In TOTK) isn't Human and Rauru (in OoT) is. I'd argue Gaepora is the Father of Rauru from Ocarina of Time, but that's conjecture. Promptly leads me to the present day Sheikah in BOTW/TOTK, who the Ancient Sheikah Monks were, very likely, The Twilight. The original race here were, very likely, a "Barbaric Race" who worshipped the Zonai but wanted to claim the power of their Triforce, and more importantly, their magic. They were banished to the Depths. The Depths has music that is a deviation from the Twilight Realm music. In Wind Waker, we're provided the premise that Ganondorf found his way out of his imprisonment, but did you know that the Adult ending of Ocarina of Time, Ganondorf was sealed in the 'void of the evil realm'? "Now, open the sealed door and send the Evil Incarnation of Darkness into the void of the Evil Realm!!". In Japanese, this specifically is (translated) "Ancient Gods who created Hyrule! Open the sealed door now and entomb the evil incarnation of darkness beyond the realm of the dead!!" And here, this important part. This is where the importance of context comes into play. The Sacred Realm is the Sky. Hyrule is the Surface. The Twilight Realm, or the "Realm of the Dead" is The Depths. This also explicitly insinuates that the "Twilight", the ones who tried to steal the Triforce, were in fact the Sheikah, which would directly indicate the lack of Sheikah in every other Zelda besides BOTW, wherein the back story goes (paraphrasing): 'The Sheikah used their power and technology to defend the kingdom from an ambiguous legend that never came true, and once it came true, the Sheikah's technology turned against the kingdom'. Before it could "come true", the King banished the Sheikah from their land because they felt the Sheikah were sinister in nature. There would be zero reason for this plot point to exist if not for using it. Further, the Yiga were created as a off-branch who, directly, worshipped Ganondorf. Even further, even the leaked pages of this Masterworks backs up that theory. The proper translation insinuates that Hyrule Castle had been built as a method to leech "The God of Light" Sacred Light from Rauru & the seal. No, really, the translated part that people apparently didn't grasp: "Hyrule Castle and the huge pillars extending from the castle are devices for purifying healing energy". Zeldatuber theorists already were keen to point out a while ago that the same pillar looked Sheikah in design, which leads us promptly to BOTW's Castle. In BOTW/TOTK, we clearly see an original point of Ocarina of Time & "after" castle on The Great Plateau. The Castle was clearly rebuilt post flooded Hyrule, which was influenced heavily by the Sheikah, or else there wouldn't have been a way to get the Sheikah technology in these locations originally, especially (and especially) the very same pillars on the outside of the castle, along with the one at the central point where Ganondorf is held at. One last final rambling thought here is Skyward Sword. I think they're going to utilize this as a way to split that game into two sections, as insinuated above. One follows the true events of the Zelda entries, which provides a clear "There was nothing here", and the other events (the events that happened in the game) stemmed the successors of that game, the minish cap & four swords. With that, I do concretely believe that there was a secondary backstory that fans were suppose to generate with theory but they didn't. The Ancient Hero Aspect. This is a blend of a some-what Zonai and the Gerudo. Which leads me to believe that this individual, very likely a separate faction of the Zonai tribe, had a union with the Gerudo. The "prophecy" image has this hero, an ambiguous blonde women on the left, and what "you think is Calamity Ganon" in the center. Is it? That looks like a dragon to me. No, really, that's a dragon lol. On the right is clearly someone fighting the dragon. On the left is a woman providing power, with the triforce, to the dragon. On the Right, the "ancient hero", is also using some sort of magic. My belief here is conjecture, but I do believe that it's feasible that this wasn't a hero to the Hyruleans, but a Hero to the "ancient sheikah". The one who tried to steal the Triforce, which was guarded by the Zonai and Sonia. Which leads me to the sword. The sword in this mural has a rounded blade toward the tip, where it goes from 2-pointed pieces near the hilt, bows in, then bows out, then bows back in. No Master Sword, none, has ever done that. But, Ganon's Blades did in Ocarina of Time. To close, I think the "ancient hero aspect" is more of a lore "did you get what we did" pun for the game, and I just think almost all of the youtubers failed at putting it together.

Considering Aonuma and Fujibayashi gave information about it in the No DLC Interview already I think we will still just get stuff like "There might be a past Kingdom but its History got errased", which is basically a soft Reboot in some form, they make a restart for Hyrule's Kingdom itself instead of rewriting so they will not fuck up the lore that People like me love already and make sure that Newcomers wont get confused by simply Introducing the Main Characters without any connections.

Tears of the kingdom was fun game.

I think it is the Reset Hyrule Theory with a little bit of the Legend Theory mixed to iron out possible questions about the timeline split.

THERE IS NO TIMELINE !!! Nintendo made it up in a very poor attempt to shut down such crap speculation ! In the name of all that is holy, please, please, please quit it with the timeline garbgage !!!

It's about time they finally confirm the Skyward Sword split in which BotW/TotK take place and serve as a parallel timeline to the current one👌🏻

Sometimes i go back and watch the reactions to Sephiroth and Sora. Just to smile. I told myself "If we get Sora I can't ask Sakurai for anyone else every again." And we got our boy. I HOPE if there's a game after this he gets to stay but if he doesn't I won't be upset.

The timeline split for SS doesn't work imo. It's a closed loop. Not only does old Impa have Zelda's bracelet the entire game (she would only have it at the end if it were on one split), but in the final scene, we see the goddess statue with the Triforce and the Groosenator track outside the temple. If they were now in a timeline where Demise was defeated in the past, there would be no Groosenator outside- which Groose built to contain the Imprisoned in the present- and there would be no goddess statue with the Triforce where it crashed onto the Imprisoned. Anyway, my take is the TotK memories happen between SS and TMC. OoT Ganondorf being the first manifestation & rebirth of TotK Ganondorf, and BotW Ganon being the final rebirth. Present day BotW and TotK happen on the child timeline for me. However, I highly doubt Master Works is going to give us a flat out answer. I'm expecting a vague answer similar to BotW taking place after "the era of myth" and that's it. Could surprise me, I expect some answers at least, but I'm not getting my hopes up for everything to be handed to us.

It is whatever theory you want it to be because I don't think the developers take things such as timelines into account when they are making the game they just want to create a fun gameplay experience. Anything they say afterwards is a retcon.

4th timeline for the win

I hope so, I miss being able to enjoy Zelda lore. Really hoping they figure out a better balance of old and new. These last two games felt so disconnected I struggle to imagine them on the same timeline. Too much time difference and too little connection, outside of reused names.

THIS! THIS IS WHAT IVE *_BEEN_* SAYING SINCE TOTK CAME OUT!!

I'm a big supporter of the fourth timeline theory. It would explain a lot of things for me.

dragon brake theory 7/10 its fun and it easily explains at least 70% of the breadcrumbs that Nintendo has left us! the "legend" theory 6/10 it completely fits with what we know of Nintendo and how they have dealt with zelda story in the past, but its the same old same old.😴 the "reset Hyrule" theory 5/10 all the previous legends being so far in the past that any "authenticity" is lost to time is lazy writing and i have the same problem as i did with the "Legend theory" (especially just having given us a unified timeline after the first 25 years of vagueness we had this theory is garbage! i will get into more detail as to why its bad later) the "4th timeline" theory" 9/10 i really tried to shake out any bias i had with this theory how ever despite my best "devils advocate" style skepticism i attempted to view this theory with the more i realize this theory is not only my favorite, but i think fills in the most "plot holes" made by the wild series! the following are my reasons for putting this theory so high! 1. regardless as to weather or not the "Wild" series is on this timeline aside, the split in the time line logically MUST exist! When link completes the thunder dragon's piece of the song quest link creates an alternate timeline where groose goes from mentioning how there NEVER was anything in the small fertile patch of dirt to how there has always been a tree there after link returns form the past! this suggest that altering the past DOES change the future (at least for mortals i.e. the zelda chrysalis paradox) however when link and zelda return to the present they find themselves in the same "present" that they left from! Therefore there MUST be a timeline that exists where demise was defeated in the past and the goddesses' statue from skyloft (containing sky keep) is still in the sky, or at the very least was not brought down by link during his SS journey! 2. The fact that there is A Rauru is in this story suggest that the events in the 4th timeline might "rhyme" with the original timeline explaining why there are similar and yet differant characters a perhaps events (taking place between the imprisoning war and the present of TotK) could explain the references to past "Legends" referenced in BotW! the fact that the "legend" and "reset Hyrule" theories upset me so is that 1. if they wanted to keep up this "vague series of Legends" aspect then they should have never released a timeline in the first place and second they for damn sure should not have "doubled down" with the (slightly altered, but essentially the same) timeline in the encyclopedia AFTER the release of BotW and then when developing TotK decide to just completely ignore it! 2. while it is more than possible that Nintendo wants us to love and enjoy the past zeldas as their own thing separate from the "new" path the series is taking us, the fact that they left the Hylia and Master Sword lores intact at least suggest they don't want a COMPLETE reset of the series and the best way to have BOTH is to set the series in the "4th"(and suggest that alt timelines "rhyme" to helps cover their bases) and this leaves an opening to create a new story in the old timeline whenever they want! 3 im gonna put what I'm calling theories that could plausibly fit into a "4th", though you have to accept certain assumptions that have little to no evidence as "proof"! A. the hero of the first calamity being a Zonai descendant makes more since if the Zonai are descendants of the skyloftian's, perhaps ones who chose to stay in the sky with zelda (when she inevitably would have awoken from her chrysalis in the past after link defeated demise) instead of returning to the surface! b. the fact that the "main" goddess statue in the forgotten temple gives you a goddess sword in TotK suggest that canonically this goddess statue has a sword that SS Link has never touched let alone forged into the master sword! c. the zonai secret stones don't discriminate between good and evil like the triforce, so perhaps they are a derivative or the remains of the original triforce after alt zelda used it to make a wish! admittedly this theory is the most hypothetical and requires the most assumption , however it still requires no retconning of what we know of LoZ's history!

I don't believe for one second that Nintendo will ever specify which branch of the timeline the new games are on. It would defeat the purpose of this soft reboot.

This man never sleeps. I love it.

My prediction for the placement: Hyrule fizzled from existence and is destroyed, The Zonai descend and Rauru establishes a new Hyrule with Sonia. Which is why Rauru said he was the "first" king of Hyrule, because he technically he wasn't. Also I need an explanation as to what race the Ancient Hero is? Hope these questions get answered.

I'm still going to say that BotW/TotK are the result of a timeline vortex that pulls in events and histories that happened in timelines that haven't happened yet as a result of Zelda going so far back in time. In a time that Zelda goes back to takes place before skyward sword, with the very first Ganondorf. That present day would take place sometime well before OoT where The essence of demise gets absorbed into Ganondorf while he is still sealed away.

I think for them to just keep it simple, I think they'll go for the Reset Hyrule theory

not a fan of any of those 4 theroys

You forgot mommy urbosa character Bio

They just work the same way as Donnie Darko and FLCL: shoegaze, which by the way both Zelda and Donnie Darko had easter eggs in Shoegaze. This is INSANELY common in Japanese media, this sort of fantasy, where reality does exist but at the same time the dream world is a parallel reality that also exists, and influences our world. From writers like Ursula Le Guin and Peter Dickinson, TopCraft made a movie The flight of Dragons that Zelda is based on, and later Ghibli has made Tales of Earthsea and The Boy and The Heron.

My personal opnion is that if there was a timeline merge it happened in a similar way to the gates of time that appeared in Hyrule Warriors

It definitely will be interesting 🤔

I think the Zora tablets need to be addressed if hypothesizing on a timeline theory. They make both complete sense and completely contradict all of those timeline theories unless you stretch some truths. Personally I like the alternate timeline theory of BOTW/TOTK, where the event's of TOTK's past are just an alternate telling of Ocarina of Time. The "Sages" in TOTK's ancient past & namesakes are equivalent to their parallels in OOT.

Probably finding the final piece of a theory puzzle 🧩 to get the answer

I'm also with you when it comes to the theory of a 4th timeline split beaconing back to Skyward Sword. In this new timeline, not only do we keep the other legends and mysteries intact, respected, and more interesting, but it gives Nintendo room to "remake" or "retell" other Zelda games in new and unique ways. But, if they choose the dragonbreak route, I'll be fine. So long as they don't forget the games that came before.

Yo HMK doesn’t age