Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth - ENDING REACTION | A True Masterpiece
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- čas přidán 6. 03. 2024
- My Journey through Final Fantasy VII Rebirth has finally come to a close and I'm going to need time to recover. MY REACTION TO THE FINALE OF FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH
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THE REUNION...
I Cant Wait For All The Theories #HMK
I Mean This Game @@AkihikoLockhartStrife
@@AkihikoLockhartStrife Then Why Are You Here If You Dont Like Watching Theories ??????/
Sephiroth: Welcome to the dark side!
@@AkihikoLockhartStrife BullSITH! Ha ha ha ha!
they made aerith so lovable in these games. it hurts man..
If you see a character a bit too much be prepared for the worst
well at least there's hope that we'll see her again in part 3, wether it's lifestream aerith or aerith from another timeline.
Don’t worry Aerith is not dead. We all saw cloud save her then it flashed to a different timeline where she is dead. Guaranteed she is alive this time and it will still tie in to advent children. The ending of advent children you see Aerith interacting with kids from clouds timeline if she were dead how do those kids see her. She merely crosses over and tells cloud everything is alright and cloud says he is not alone because she is still alive and shows cloud who thought she might have just been a ghost.
@@briansilva4165Aerith is dead in Advent Children.
I mean cloud can see aerith. I'm assuming Zack cloud and aerith will all see each other together in the 3rd one.
In Advent Children, Cloud had the ability to see, and speak with Aerith in the lifestream. I think what we're seeing here is the origin of that spiritual connection. When Cloud sees, and speaks with Aerith, what he's really seeing is her spirit, visiting him from the lifestream, but his mind is in such a state from this whole experience, that he doesn't understand what he's seeing, and he mistakingly believes that Aerith is still alive...It's honestly so tragic. Not only did Sephiroth kill someone that Cloud loved dearly, he messed Cloud up so much that the poor man can't even grieve properly, and is living under the delusion that he truly did save her.
Exactly Im glad someone else had the same thought process
The shot were there standing back to back in the white void screams Advent Children
Shes alive but in another timeline
@@zacatkinson3926 I really don't think she is. We see her start turning into lifestream particles while Cloud is holding her. Living people do not have lifestream particles coming off of them. At that point, it's highly likely that the Aerith speaking to Cloud is actually her spirit trying to comfort him, not an actual living person. Cloud's perception of reality is just so messed up at this point, that he doesn't realize what's going on.
Sephiroth merged the two worlds together after Cloud stopped his sword in the other world. This merge is the confluence of worlds that he was talking about. The point of convergence he chose for the merge was the moment of Aeriths death. To me it looks like Sephiroth allowed Cloud to think he could save Aerith, then essentially undid everything Cloud accomplished with a snap of his fingers when he merged the worlds, so that she would still die even without being stabbed. This is why Aerith still falls over, despite never being struck in that other world. She still died. Cloud never had any hope of saving Aerith, and Sephiroth knew this from the start. He tricked Cloud into playing his sick game, a game that was rigged from the start, so that he could completely shatter Cloud's will.
Even if she were saved in a different world, all worlds outside of the main one are short lived. Saving her in another world would give her maybe a few extra weeks at most. So it wouldn't really make a difference.
There is no way that after this ending people keep saying: “you don’t need to play the original or crisis core”, I swear bro, if I didn’t knew anything about OG or crisis core, I probably be smashing my head into a wall right now
They need to AT LEAST play crisis core at this point!
I know a little bit about the 7 compilation through cultural osmosis and online videos but I've never played the OG or the compilation entries, the game gives you a good idea of what exactly any characters given appearance in the story means, I think to appreciate it on a deeper level it definitely requires that knowledge.
I never played the OG but I did play Crisis Core Reunion (after playing Remake). I was indeed smashing my head against a wall, but I'm also very excited to see how the trilogy ends in a few years (I am hoping for 3 years, but that's probably wishful thinking). I don't think you need to play the OG if you're patient enough to wait for Part 3, but then again I never played it so I don't truly know lol. I think Crisis Core Reunion definitely makes sense to play before Rebirth though.
This project since it's very origin it was suposed to be special. This whole trilogy is gonna be the end of the entire FF7 Compilation i had that feeling since the end of Remake and last night when i finished Rebirth that feeling was transformed into happiness. "The Reunion at hand may bring joy, it may bring fear. But let us embrace whatever it brings for they are coming back." That quote is so damn poetic...
I don’t get what you said
This isn’t game of the year this is the best game I’ve ever played
Then I feel sorry for you 💀. This game is nothing but mini games and fluff.
@@TrivialPawn Cause your main game is cod?
@@TrivialPawn its a fantastic game. not my favorite of all time, but its pretty high up.
@@Kuerikami then which game do u have above ff7 rebirth?
@@jackyhun7579 he probably plays only Fortnite lmaoo
I have a feeling that the white whispers are spirits of the Cetra from the past, and Aerith, through her prayers, urged them to rewrite reality when Cloud stopped Sephiroth's attack so she would make sure she died. I believe that Sephiroth wished to trick Cloud into saving Aerith so she couldn't become one with the Lifestream, and so he would win at the end. But Aerith knows her sacrifice is essential for the planet's survival, and so she corrected the flow of destiny by erasing Cloud's parry of Sephiroth's sword.
I took it as them being OG 7 Aerith, in one of the novellas (either maiden who travels the planet, or on the road to a smile:case of the lifestream White) it does represent Aerith as a force in the lifestream that is trying to combat Sephiroth who is corrupting and corroding the souls in the lifestream
Technically the aerith from og should be in the life stream already so this aerith doesn’t need to die. Just a theory.
To my understanding, there's one timeline where aerith lived and one where she died
The only thing is, if Sephiroth didn’t want Aerith dead, why couldn’t he have just not went for the stab? unless I’m missing something here
@maguire4428 I personally believe his main goal was simply to have cloud help him in making another timeline by defying destiny. I mean, he even asks cloud to join him. And it was his black whispers that let cloud in to where aerith was. But I believe it specifically had to be cloud that sephiroth got to defy destiny for some reason, considering zack also defies destiny and makes new worlds a few times, yet when confronted by zack, sephiroth basically says "yeah, I don't care about you at all" and after sending zack back to another world, he tells cloud "alone at last"
People are getting confused about why Bizzaro Seph is called Sephiroth Reborn. In the OG Japanese version it wasn’t named Bizzaro but reverse or rebirth. This is why he’s named that. Plus I think this is the reason why we see him in this game because of the title
I have a feeling that the next one will be Seraphim or something god like. It’s his final form.
This actually fits in line with the "Safer" being an alleged mistranslation of "Seraph" which would make more sense as it refers to his angelic form so this definitely tracks
the game is not called rebirth because of the final boss but because of the rebirth of the planet(the reunion)
This version of sepiroth is him merging with his other timeline self that's where there's 2 sepiroths on the same body
@@StarsTeamMember not only is there ZERO evidence to support this. Bizarro Sephiroth in the original FF7 also had the same form of two apparent Sephiroth's in one body so unless there is another timeline and shit in OG that I don't know about, you're wrong.
@@parcival3016 if I'm not mistaken he only achieves that form after creating the mako stream, this sepiroth was able to do it on a whim by taking the energy from his other variations or whatever his whispers are supposed to be
One possible and actually well evidenced interpretation of this ending that might point to a living Aerith (albeit in a branch reality, which could and likely may rejoin the main later). Cloud really deflected the masamune and created a new reality (Highly likely if the rainbow burst of color is any indication) but that timeline was swapped with the OG one by the whispers of fate such that she really dies at least in our party's reality. She is dead here from the point of view of the team (not Cloud) where they see Aerith, (blood appearing and disappearing seems to suggest this). And the Aerith that Cloud sees and speaks with from here on through the conclusion is the saved one that is in a parallel world to his. Since he is able to see the crack in the sky (and red 13 sensing her) my guess is he is not just delusional. He can really see the Aerith that he saved as well as the crack in the sky from her branch reality perhaps because of his interaction with Aerith or role in creating that reality branch, or perhaps due to the 'blessing' Sephiroth gives to him in their final scenes. TLDR: Cloud does save aerith and she lives in a branch reality created by that moment from there on while a whisper edit swaps that outcome with one where she perishes and that state is experienced by the rest of the party. Depending on how this links up with advent children by part 3, we could get a very different final ending with a possibility for this saved Aerith to rejoin the main reality alive by the conclusion, but that's all conjecture till Part 3 release.
This is pretty fucking spot on holy fuck
This all sounds pretty spot on to me. I think Aerith is technically alive, just not in the main timeline. She's alive in a branch timeline that Cloud created by defying fate. The real question for the final game I think will be if Aerith will get to reunite with them or not. It may be possible, especially with Zack's (he seemed to be crossing between realities near the end there), but one thing that has me worried is the final text at the end of the game.
In Remake, the final text "the unexpected journey continues", gave us a tease that something unexpected would happen in the next game. And it did. Zack played a major role in the finale, and Cloud deflected Sephiroth's sword. The final text in this game though reads "no promises await at journey's end".
I imagine there will be plenty of speculation and interpretation over what this means, but my initial thought is that the promise they are referring to is the one Aerith sings about in the game's main theme song. That being for her and Cloud to meet again. If that's the promise the ending text refers to, then it could mean they may never meet again. But who knows, maybe it refers to something else. We'll just have to wait and see.
@@thefirefridge5187 I just wonder if aerith awoke in the Zack timeline, bc of Marlene saying that if she wakes up then sephiroth would kill her(kill her in the other timeline I’m assuming). I also believe there’s 3-4 timelines. The original ps timeline (where aerith gets stabbed), the remake timeline(where cloud deflects sephiroth), the Zack timeline(where aerith and cloud are unconscious) and then the timeline where aerith is hiding in a world that accepts their fate.
Idk I could be wrong but the moment cloud deflects sephiroth, the whole platform turned to a whole rainbow mist. And I’m assuming since the og timeline and remake timeline happened at the same time, he’s just seeing both now. It’s hard to explain
@@slaydro33 I'd LOVE to see Aerith in Zack's timeline. Don't know if it'll happen, but even if Aerith can't reunite with Cloud and the others, seeing her with Zack would make me very happy. I'd love to get some closure on their relationship.
@@thefirefridge5187 I’m also just wondering, idk if you’ve watched advent children, how at the end you see Zack and aeriths spirits, I just wonder with all these worlds colliding and cloud being able to see aerith and Zack, if it’s all foreshadowing to that point. Like things are starting to click if that makes sense hahaha
even th I know the OG this part still fucks me up so so badly :( Aerith was my favorite....
We are truly in for something special when part 3 comes out
Only 4 years away T_T
@@avradio0byeah i think thats the only downside of this although obcourse game like this shouldnt be rushed but its just a lot of yrs to wait
"Is this supposed to be Safer Sephiroth?"
No, it's Bizarro Sephiroth.
Nah, it’s Dangerous-er Sephiroth
My theory is the Aerith that shows up helps cloud is OG/Advent one. The one controlling white lifestream and in constant battle with Sephs black lifestream
There’s gotta two Aeriths. We already knew she knew about the future. But we know that Cloud saved her. I can see this ending upsetting people for its depth.
I think that as well. Because why would they rerelease AC in theaters. Plus that back to back hand holding? And her fading? I think it’s OG/Advent Aerith
Correct, I think.
Yes correct
AERITH'S ALIVE...no wait, she's dead...BUT ACTUALLY, SHE IS ALIVE...but actually, she is dead...BUT SHE WOKE UP...but everyone mourning over her death...BUT CLOUD SEE HER ALIVE...but she dead...BUT ACTUALLY....
DARN YOU NOMURA!!!!
That sums this up perfectly!
She is dead . think of it as a spirit who is interacting with cloud and red
She is dead. The Aerith that Cloud is communicating with is from the lifestream.
She is dead. If you know the original story Cloud is confused and going through something mentally. We won't know until part 3 what is going on until we go into the depths of his mind to piece back his memories.
@@slyktech1860 part of me is thinking that Nomura messing with our minds here about the ending is intentional. it's almost like, he and the scriptwriter intends us to be like, think like, and feel like Cloud, thinking that Aerith is still alive when in fact she's not. All will pay off in Part 3
The choices you make so far as the gift you give Aerith, and the candy you choose with her, determine your party for the Jenova fight.
what?
@@Ellidyre you gift Aerith a gift and pick out candy with her in Chapter 14. Those choice determine who is in your party at the end of the game when you fight Jenova. He asked why he had certain part members. That’s why.
@@seventhsoldier2502 Interesting. I had the party I wanted, so how does which gift and candy you give her correlate to who you get?
@@Ellidyrethink about it
@@seventhsoldier2502can you tell me which choices correlate to which characters?
This moment was dedicated to all the fans who hold the Aerith death scene as one of the most important moments not just in gaming but in life too, the evidence? When Cloud is fighting Jenova in the first phase he said "You've done it before - can do it again" Clearly he's saying that to himself because he's the only one in the party who is aware of Aerith's plan and what's going on with the worlds (as that is what i understand from the ending). But the most beautiful thing is that he's not only saying that quote to himself but to you, you who played the original all those years ago, you who was destroyed in tears and impact you so much. We all know Aerith's death and this moment in Rebirt is completely aware of that so the whole time on these fights Cloud is on the mindset of not fail her again. YES i also missed the scene when Cloud is holding Aerith's body and let her go and i also missed the speech he gives to Sephiroth (Which is on Rebirth but just muted and flashes out so quickly). But people need to understand that this is not a common remake of a videogame, it's a sequel disguised as a remake that is fully aware of the past events. This entire project is most likely the end of the FF7 Compilation and thus far is doing an amazing job at it in my opinion as a long time fan of FF7 (Peace everyone we don't need to fight ourselves for different opinions if you don't like it that's completely fine) Loved every second of this amazing game made with so much passion and love for FF7
I feel the same way 😊
Despite it all, I want to see it to the end 🙂
Honestly, they kind of ruined her death scene and this Sephiroth fight with Zack and Aerith joining Cloud should've been the final showdown between Cloud and Sephiroth (Basically take Rebirth's final boss and put it in the place of Cloud vs Shirtless Sephiroth being Just a scripted event).
The new one was completely convoluted and removed a lot of the scene's weight.
love this comment
the thing i can't bear is not the changes in the story but the fact that they can't take a clear direction and just do everything with the lamest excuse of the multiverse. aerith is dead but is also alive, zack is dead but is also alive, the avalanche boy survived the last game but now he dies off screen (missable side quest), everything it's so inconsistent, i was hyped for the changes coming after the ending of remake but this is just "canonical fanfiction"
Aerith is saved. In the last moments happens a lot and u'll only realise a lot of stuff if you watch these scenes again and again.
After Cloud had his conversation with sephiroth about the worlds he lands in the forest. Now it begins to become weird. Everything is white and glowy in the background and aerith says "We meet again." this is nothing someone would say when they fell down somewhere a few moments, hours or whatever ago. So it seems like its not the Rebirth Aerith, or it's not the Rebirth Cloud. After they changed the materia there are A LOT of white whispers and after that we see the portal aka lifestream maybe. In this moment we see a few scenes which are VERY important. All we see now has a green flu, like the scenes where Cloud saw the sleeping aerith in the World where Zack is. In these scenes we're seeing that cloud did pull aerith up and they didnt even fell, in the background we see the temple. And it goes on with cait sith which kneels down right before the group, we see that Cid navigates them somewhere, but they're still outside of the temple. Now it ends, they're suddenly in the forest and tifa checks if cloud is alright but the green flu seems still there. After Cloud is awake Barret put him down on the same place where he did crouch after giving Aerith the white materia. Barret also says something like: "Your eyes were moving like hell. What did you see?" So i guess he saw another timeline. What if sephiroth created this timeline once he destroyed the ground where we saw them falling?
What if Cloud never gave the Black Materia to Sephiroth in one of both timelines? That would explain why cloud still have it at the end.
Cloud is not just delulu. He saved Aerith in one timeline. When he moves to her after the boss there are white whispers only he can see. White whispers mean literally Canon. The moment where cloud blocked his sword there was a white glow on the background, which we already saw where Zack had the choice if he wants to save biggs, or if he wanna confront Hojo. So the white glow means another timeline is created. And the glow is still there when Cloud says: " Aerith, wake up." He even sees the crack in the sky, but only he can. So that means that this world will die soon. But in which timeline he is seeing this? I guess he is somehow stuck between them. Aerith literally says him that she will stop the meteor, and cloud seems to know what she means by that. But he shouldn't know what Sephiroths Plan is by now with the meteor.
Zack at the end is important too. Worlds can be reunited and we see that the flowers are blooming and are healthy which means that Aerith is alive. But in which timeline?
Ppl who are saying that Cloud is just delulu and that aerith is now dead didn't pay enough attention to the details we were given.
I agree. Cloud isn't delulu about Aerith. Cloud did save her and there is now another world in which she still lives. Where she is saved. The devs somehow did the impossible of saving her and also killing her. To Cloud, she is well and truly alive because she is. He will have to come to grips with what happened in the Rebirth timeline, but he also has another world where she is alive. To the team, Cloud is going crazy but to Cloud it is the truth.
@@nohemi6899We can't rely on Cloud as a narrator right now. He even says "Reunion" at the end of the game. He's still being influenced by Sephiroth and absolutely is NOT right in the head YET. Aerith may be alive in another time, but for now, in this time, Cloud is clearly not mentally stable enough for us to trust him that much.
@@silverheart7964 Obviously, Cloud isn't mentally stable. That's part of what makes this a larger conflict in R3. The team sees him losing it more and more. He has the black materia again. But that world where Aerith is alive does exist which adds another possible rift between him and the team because who will believe him?
So my understanding, based on what has been said in interviews, is that whenever a breach is made in destiny (specifically, the barriers of whispers) and alternate timeline appears.
So after this game, there are now 3 branches;
The main timeline
One where Zack lives, following the breach at the end of remake
And now one where aerith lives at the end or rebirth.
The Zack Timelines also divide into the fragment Worlds where Zack goes to save Biggs at the reactor and fails/ Zack goes to Shinra Headquarters to save Cloud/ That Timeline merged with the World where an alternate Aerith hides from Sephiroth/ and the World when he doesn't make the Choice and then Sephiroth shows up looking for an Aerith and shoves him into the Void between Worlds. The last one is the One that fights with Main Timeline Cloud.
Pay attention to the design of Stamp the Shinra dog. Each reality has a different stamp.
There's actually 5 different stamps shown. A beagle, a terrier, a pug, some weird floppy eared one, and a spiky haired one. I believe a few of these timelines were destroyed or are in the process of being destroyed, but I guess we can say there's AT LEAST 3 timelines at the end.
@@geminuri Yes, there are three main timelines - Prime (the game), Zack's, and now Aerith's. Prime mainly follows the regular game. Zack's timeline existed in essence to explain the dream Cloud had in the Lost Forest and possibly give Cloud a "blank" materia that used to be Holy for something, and the Aerith timeline will probably help call the Lifestream to stop Meteor or something.
@@writer_man5318 Considering Seth wanto to rejoin all the worlds/timelines I can see the entire party reuniting during the next one, when that will happen... well I have a few ideas
Spoiler
Cloud saved Aerith, so he created another timeline. It is seen when he blocks Sephiroth and the yellow glow appears when the timeline divides. and he is the only one who can see her since he can somehow see between realities. That is why when he sees Aerith the sky splits since anyone who is not the original is condemned to die. like he did where Zack was before Aerith saved him. Surely Sephiroth's plan is to unite the worlds so that the world where he wins is the only one and that it is not altered as a consequence.
I hope this is true because I don't want aerith to be dead she is so loveable and innocent to be gone
It was perfect it matches Advent Children perfectly how Cloud interacts with her and Zack. Loved every second of it
my possible feeling about aerith that she truly dies but her spirit Lives on along with cloud i honestly feel confused and surprised how Aerith is amazing character and supporter to cloud and the world.
She's basically a Force ghost.
@@jamesgravil9162probably the same thing as Sephiroth. In part 1, sephiroth haunts cloud and he the only one who can see him. And now he can see Aerith too because her and sephiroth is in the lifestream now.
i think it's that but there's also the timelines added and if you notice when cloud blocked sephiroth's sword the rainbow colors appear meaning a new timeline/reality was created where aerith lives. so she is technically dead in our timeline but alive in another one and cloud seems to be stuck in between timelines. it gets confusing because cloud can also interact with her lifestream form while others can't so it's kind of everything happening at once and makes things super confusing but the timeline stuff definitely means something, there's a reason it exists in the first place.
yeah exactly!.
if they go with that route i'm fine with it, if it's actually multiverse crap im done with the trilogy lol
The ending of this game honestly made me cry, them leaving aerith (her spirit) behind was painful
I don't think it was her spirit...
Same, I started crying pre Sephiroth fight and pretty much non stop after it.
yeah shes not a spirit, she can do what Sephiroth has been doing and slip between timelines.
same bro me 26 cried like a biatch lol, when she says sayonara my heart shed to pieces because the party is now only 8
This final battle is...frickin'...sick. And your hype is priceless. Thanks!
There is something I noticed. At the end when Aerith is looking at us leave on the plane, that is the exact same shot they used in the og cover of the game. Look inside and you will see
Except she’s looking at the high wind right?
Everyone going nuts for Zack.
Meanwhile I'm going nuts for Aerith being a total badass stepping out of her portal.
Like they called them in the Corneo Cup.
Give it up for our power couple... CLOUD AND AERITHHHH!!!
Aerith is still a badass even after she got stabbed to death.
I’m confident they will reunite in part 3
Do any of yall think Zack will get way more screentime next game? Hoping for more Zack, don't want him to be underutilized. Want him to somehow cross over with the cloud and the party.
@@FatKratos69 yeah, he'll work with Aerith to merge the worlds again and she'll reunite with Cloud.
@@DarthPingu07 dang, so you theorize Zack is going to go through the hero's sacrifice? either he dies or sacrifices his happiness for both aerith and cloud. though i'm pretty sure cloud and tifa will always be endgame.
What I think happened is that in one reality cloud saved her and in another she was killed. Just like the flashback from ff7 remake when cloud saw her materia drop in his vision in the church. And I’m the reality he saved her he said “I got this” going to battle sephiroth, and in the other cloud was crying cause he didn’t save her. Sephiroth changed fate and switched it to the timeline where she dies when you saw the whispers flash around sephiroth. But this time everyone saw alternate times of her living and dying. Probably being the flashback from the church for the 3rd game.
Thank you for sharing your playthrough! Been a fan ever since Sephiroth was announced as the final boss of Smash Bros 2020 😂
Something that has surprised me in watching the playthroughs of many longtime fans: when it comes to the scene where Cloud is standing in front of Aerith at the altar, almost all of them refuse to press the triggers, because the OG taught them that any button presses simply progress Cloud to attempt to attack her. However, this was actually a mechanic that was put into the game to utilize the resistance functions of the PS5 controller. The more that you continuously press the triggers, the harder Cloud fights to RESIST the whispers who are trying to pull his weapon up over his head, in preparation to strike Aerith down. The resistance of the triggers becomes progressively harder, until the game proceeds as usual. It's a small in-game mechanic that translates Cloud's on-screen struggle into an actual physical mechanic for the player.
Broke my heart to see Tifa basically speechless after Aerith's death. I don't know how the writers and developers will conclude the final part, but as a fan, I'm trusting that they'll bring the trilogy to a satisfactory conculsion.
Thing is… she is real and she is alive. You saw Cloud save her. You saw him entering the dimension she survived in.
When the squad made an opening and he walked through the wall of whispers? That was a new dimension?
@@TP-pq9xxSort of yes. Many have interpreted that because Cloud is the only one that got through that 'boundry of fate' and was in there when he parries the masamune and you get that rainbow lighting effect, only he perceives the new branch reality created in there where Aerith is saved and survives. After that moment where the branch is made, Sephiroth merges some realities (possibly the OG ff7 one being among them) and has enough control to select the outcome for the prime reality the party exists in to be her death. But, a separate and parallel reality where she was saved by Cloud's interception does exist and since Cloud was inside the whisper wall and created the new branch, he's capable of seeing and interacting with that reality too where the rest of the party cannot. For a moment they do show Tifa sort of seeing the different realities when she sees Cloud holding Aerith and before her eyes the scene oscillates between a dead and bloodied Aerith and the unharmed living version. Either she's just more observant than the rest of the party and notices it for a moment here, or she has some special connection that allows her to see it(maybe because of her previous journey into the lifestream earlier).
Now this is all still theory and may be completely wrong but I interpret those scenes and Cloud now straddling two realities or at least able to interact with the one Aerith is saved in and that's why he's not processing that she's dead in the world the rest of the team is in, because to him; she's not. He's seeing her in the saved branch he made, and talking to her, etc. His mind is still very messed up as it was in OG here so he denies her death in the prime reality that everyone else experiences and presumably he laid her to rest in, but it's also complicated because I think he is actually seeing a living version of her in the parallel branch he made. The scar in the sky at the end also lends some credibility to this and in my mind; Zack's parting words to 'save her' also point to Aerith living in some way and being 'savable' somehow otherwise that seems kind of like a nonsense line for the devs to include from Zack at a crucial moment towards the end.
All this to say that yeah basically just like a new reality was created for the party at the end of remake when they beat the harbingers of fate after Aerith opened a path through the whisper wall that they all crossed through, the same happened at the end here with Cloud creating a new one with his deflection; albeit this time without the rest of the party present inside the whisper wall.
Where this goes in part 3 is hard to guess, but I'd submit that Zack's supposition that split realities could rejoin again at the end may play a role in part 3. We might get the branch where Aerith was saved (maybe this is also a reality where Zack was deposited in the church at the end) rejoined to the parties' main reality at some point which might effectively give you both characters returned to the team alive. I think that's decently likely in the 3rd installment at some point, though whether they remain alive in the same world as the party by the end would be hard to guess. That hinges on whether they link the end of part 3 to Advent Children chronologically which requires those two characters be in the lifestream or if as I'm guessing, AC connects to this story through that future version of Sephiroth and maybe OG Aerith's consciousness projecting through the lifestream back to the beginning of this trilogy (Remake). In which case, the ending of this Re-trilogy could be totally different with it being essentially the new 'good end' to the whole story. Impossible to know for sure and as always, these theories could be way off, but at least there's some evidence there for them in what we've seen so far.
I'd be ok with these characters actually getting to live lives they've all suffered and fought so hard for this time around if they go that route. Appreciating and cherishing the life you're given is a potent theme too just as moving beyond loss was in OG after all, and it might be the only way to shake Sephiroth's cyclical ability to come back through Cloud's guilt and pained memories over and over (as AC detailed) anyway.
Great Video man. I'm so happy to see how excited everyone is about this game and just how much enjoyment they're getting from it.
I cried uncontrollably during this boss fight. The flurry of emotions that hit along with the music, chefs kiss. Then lost it when you fight alongside Zack during this boss rush. Loved this game from start to finish.
I was screaming at the tv saying “F*ck Sephiroth up now!!!” This was while I was grieving for Aerith. So many emotions flowing through me during that boss fight! I screamed at the tv even more when Zack and Cloud teamed up to fight Sephiroth! That was something I was waiting for since Zack survived in remake. Game of the year. Dragon’s Dogma 2 though probably will be an amazing game it won’t beat this in my eyes.
Game of the year!
The Jenova fight had me cry as the OG7 did.
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This ending was heartbreaking but amazing! Game of the Year for sure! Still, Cloud fusing the Black Materia to his Buster Sword was insane! I'm curious as to how powerful his Buster Sword is now.
Cloud want to kill tifa with buster sword in part3??
I don’t even think it’s the black Materia. It was the clear one aerith gave him. Probs hallucinating its black. The line she says earlier “it’s a fake” she just doesn’t randomly say shit
the last two chapters are great, but the other chapters are...
@@KEN-fn2ld Confusing?
@@KEN-fn2ldthe only “bad chapter” is chapter 11 imo (mainly the cait sith sections)
The rest I thoroughly enjoyed.
I like the ending but I wonder if they will pull this multiverse off properly. I just have more questions. Hopefully part 3 will supply the answers.
i'm honestly a bit worried but... i guess we'll just have to wait and find out...
I didn't like the ending at FIRST but I think it was because i really didn't get it. I had to read a few articles/summary. Now i'm more curious then anything and will wait and see how it all plays out.
They wont.
You guys are thinking too much about the multiverse its not as multiverse eccentric as the MCU. The multiverse is just introduced to bring Zack once this is over im pretty sure the multivrese will collapse and fuse into one making the OG universe whole again. Dont think too much its only used to bring Zack
@@Gumshoe08 thats a dumb comment. the whole plot revolves around sephiroths reunion lol
Just finished the game, I got so absolutely destroyed by the ending that I’m still in denial about it and I’m asking everywhere to confirm that this will NOT connect to advent children.
The way this connects to Advent Children is that Sephiroth is post-AC and the Three Whispers (red, green, and yellow) from Remake are Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo
@@ultimamage3 which means that Aerith might survive right? I mean if this trilogy is post advent children what’s the point of the multiverse if it doesn’t bring her back in the third game and it all ends up exactly the same like AC?
I think the devs have said it WILL but it technically already DID? In the fight against the harbinger we see the opening of AC (RED XIII in the future) and Red says that is the outcome of the world if they fail, IE don't change fate. So in a multiversal sense I think AC will still exist as like the 'prime' universe/timeline but whether or not other universes will exist/co-exist after what goes down in part 3 is left to be seen.
@@GodOfAI_ it will lead into advent children after part 3 the devs have already confirmed this plus they also said whoever dies wont be playable in part 3 meaning aerith however my theroy is the zack will be with aerith 2 that he saves and she will wake up and have memorys about what happened and those versions will be the ones we see at the end of advent children long story short yes shes dead.
@@GodOfAI_i think there is a chance she might survive but there is also a chance she might not. So you should prepare for anything that might come. I hope aerith can live too but I’m prepared for the worst 😢.
as with Cloud only seeing Sephiroth whenever he gets hit with memories or when the Jenova Cells decide to act up, i theorise that he has been infused with the lifestream and Aerith now being one with the planet again can interact with Cloud whenever. so i'm expecting Aerith to make very frequent appearances in part 3
So Aerith is dead… but she isn’t… but one Aerith is dead while another isn’t. 😅
Cloud went full-on Anakin via Sephiroth.
I'm looking forward to the conclusion... and Tifa must save Cloud from the darkside.
Honestly this game made me feel sick at times. We as players grew to love cloud and seeing him slowly changing towards the end and him becoming insane realy hurt me. Especially seeing tifa.... I dont want to imagine how deep they will go on that in part 3... poor cloud... This games characters are just so well done in this reimagining or whatever it will be..
I mean cloud did beat the shit out of Aerith in the OG
@@breguera77 that was under sephiroths influence tho
I adored this game and these final sequence of battles and events, including the ending. But what I love most about this video is your unabashed sincerity, and I relate to it. You were just so IN IT, whether it was a moment of confusion, hype, or sorrow. It makes me feel like I'm experiencing it for the first time all over again, and it's why I love your content. I don't know what Part 3 has in store for us, but I'm excited to feel every moment of it :)
Didn't realise until the end but I'm certain Viceroy Surruf is Rufus. They ade it an annagram on some Kingdom Hearts type beat, which is why he never showed up during that live segment. Was Rufus experimented on in some way? He doesn't seem to have any memories of this if it is true
Well this is why he's fine with a war with Wutai, because Rufus was behind Avalanche and the SRA in Wutai. He's trying to control the world so that he can save it. He thinks a war will give him even more power and distract people from his other goals. Rufus does not seemingly have any memory issues when talking to Glenn, because Glenn teases him about being the Viceroy in Junon and at the end.
Sephiroth posed as Glenn to goad Rufus into restarting the war, We see it was just a robed guy all along that Sephiroth uses in the same way he messes with Cloud. Rufus being Viceroy Sarruf checks out too, He might even be in line for a redemption arc now he realises he's been played.
What's so messed up is that Yuffie without knowing supported a movement led by Rufus that overthrew her dad and landed him in jail. Glenn is the only one Yuffie actually sees but Glenn died a long time ago at Rufus's hand which means Sephiroth has been pulling the strings in Wutai for a while. Her story when we get to Wutai is going to be crazy and Barret will probably be instrumental in helping Yuffie reconcile with her dad.
@@DayFul In mobile game about turks it is revealed that Rufus was the one that started Avalanche to make proxy war with Shinra to gain influence. That's why Barret's group was a splinter cell, blowing up reactors was too much.
@@raven12333 Yea I saw a video about that, There's a heck of a lot to unpack in Wutai. The compilation has fleshed out the history a lot and it's all relevant in PT 3.
MASTERPIECE. It remembers us why the original changed the perception of videogames for a generation, it remembers the fun and the emotional experience a videogame can be. Waiting for.. FFVII RE.. union?
Final Fantasy VII: Rehab
Congratulations, man. The ending was not what I had expected but I still cried. I'm truly waiting for part 3.
I wish you had streamed on CZcams though.
When I saw the ending it pissed me off because it had no real impact.
きっと3作目でエアリスは帰ってくる！
今はマイナス感情が強く融合世界を支配しているけど3作目でクラウド達がプラス感情世界線に変えてくれる！
つまりエアリスを失った感情より救った感情の方が強くなりエアリス生存になるはず！
Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth reminds me a lot like Kingdom Hearts 2 and how it expands on the original as it is a timeless classic but updating it and keeping it fresh for the audience. This game also to me took a lot of inspiration to KH as a whole as well with the Moogles the synergys and the final boss fight reminded me of Ansem's and Xemnas from Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2
sephiroth talks about mixing emotions joy turning into hate and sadness its a bit meta but the devs wanted the players to feel exactly that(so they made us think we saved her), thats what he needed to bring worlds together
Damn one of the few reactions I’ve seen that has picked up on the more ominous undertones of the ending, well done HMK!
37:01 "Zack fell unconscious."
Zack: "Damn, again?!?"
keep in mind this game has established multiple timelines. with that being said i truly think cloud managed to split the line and save a version of aerith. thats gotta be one that shows up to fight at the end, plus the one hes talking to in the end scene before they fly away. somehow cloud has become split connected to the version he saved aerith in. only he sees the broken sky and aerith, and when a sky has the crack its confirmation of a split timeline. im calling it, the next game will have zach from his line, cloud from the main line, and aerith from the line cloud saved her in all come together. PLLEEEEEEASSSSSSE let it be so im begging you square!!
That is pretty much what I took from it as well, naturally Cloud is not explaining anything he has learned to the grou all that well... or at all really so to them it looks like he is losing it even more than before.
I can see it now, it leadsto a massive argument that results in the group splitting during a dungeon (if you know the OG you know what im thining off) and leading to 'something hapening that splits them across the world.
Add in that possily eing what weakend the walls between the timelines even more and you get Zack and Aerith being the ones to pull them back together while they look for our Chobobo lookalike
I think it’s to do with when Cloud went through the rift that the others held open for him. Unlike when all of them went through in remake. Timelines split and I guess he has a foot in both now. One where he saved her and the OG when he did not.
She is real, she's speaking to him. But she's dead, but able to speak to him still, part of her being a ancient and her powers.
Probably the same thing as sephiroth the way he shows up to cloud, since he is dead and his body is in the north.
@@ullaluloo8925 There's also a line in OG FF7 where Aerith talks about hearing her mother's voice ...
@@benn93z28oh that was sad… when she spoke to her mom in Ever Crisis
Pretty sure Cloud will bring Aerith back somehow, hey wouldn’t give you that cloud stopping spirit for no reason, something will play, and both timeline Aerith are in love with cloud… poor Zack
Perfect timing. Just got done with this game too. Man….
Im with you HMK. Love what they did and the ending. If it was 1 for 1 like the old g someone will still be disappointed regardless. Cant please everyone. I like what they did because its fresh and leave us wanting to see whats going to happen in part 3. I just hope they don't fk it up in part 3.
I don't hate the ending but I wouldnt like to make a counter argument. If it had been a 1 for 1 Remake with these graphics, I don't think that many ppl would complain. New fans would fall in love as they have already and old fans would love it for the fact that it retells the story they fell in love with in an upgraded and beautiful way. There will always be critics. But I think less ppl would have been critical of this "Requel" trilogy if it had just been a faithful remake to the original. Just my opinion
I have so many questions
I do think the implication IS that Aerith is now connected to Cloud in spirit.............but there's weird little things that occur during the scene. Cloud's sword clashing with Sephiroth's, the rainbow effect seemingly indicating a split in the timeline like we were shown with Zack. The fact they specifically mute Cloud's dialouge and do not show her water burial. The fact that ONLY CLOUD was behind the whisper wall this time and not his friends as opposed to remake........... and that it flashes to them with her dead body and Cloud telling her to wake up....and she does? The fact that Aerith says she will do what she can to stop meteor despite the fact it hasn't been summoned yet, (could her future knowledge have been returned due to the white materia?) The fact that only Cloud can see the tear in the sky, a indicator of a branching timeline about to 'end'.........I think there may be multiverse shenanigans going on. I think Cloud is: 1 Either completely insane at this point or 2: is somehow perceiving different realities at once? Either way I think Aerith will remain 'dead' to our party and their reality at least, hence her saying goodbye, but will she be 'dead' to Cloud and the multiverse in general? That i'm not so sure.
After talking about it with a friend, here's my thought:
Aerith is hella dead. In this timeline and the "other." But I think it's a bit more than just the multiverse. Everything is connected to the lifestream. It's how Zack is able to interfere in Cloud's fight and its where he goes at the end. Multiple worlds is all based on the lifestream, its why Aerith, Biggs, and Zack, people who should be dead, are able to interfere. It's basically Advent Children. Cloud has completely lost his mind and because of a number of influences, maybe even because he still has the black material on him, he thinks Aerith is fine. The water burial happened, Cloud said his famous lines to Aerith about how she can't "cry or smile anymore." But Cloud has blocked it out because he, like the audience, can't accept Aerith's death. In the Temple, everyone went through a trial to prepare them for accepting loss...Everyone except for Cloud. When the Northern Cave sequence happens, Cloud is going to be broken even more, not just by realizing that he's not a SOLDIER but by the fact that Aerith has been dead for ages. And when that moment happens, we'll see Aerith's death in its true form: Cloud's last words to her and the water burial. Aerith's death, the tragedy, its still intact. It's just been repurposed slightly to further drive Cloud insane.
It's why this exchange in the final boss is so interesting:
"So what do you make of all this Cloud? Is this real or a fever dream?"
"Cut it out! That shit won't work on me...not anymore!"
And Sephiroth laughs. Because it already is working on him, even now.
The only way that you know Cloud isn't completely insane is because Red sensed Aerith, too. But this ending is really, really dark.
@@cloudyskiesnow Aerith is still probably reaching out through the lifestream. Even then, red XIII dismisses it while Cloud is like “what do you mean guys, she’s fine!”
I actually think it’s both. Cloud has gone completely insane because his mind has been so warped by this alternate reality stuff. He is unable to distinguish what is and isn’t real to his reality anymore, hence why he thinks he saved Aerith when everyone else is mourning her.
@@NoonDragoon it might be but I really don’t think it’s that complex. The main part that everyone talks about is Sephiroth talking about the multiverse, but if you actually listen to what he says, a picture begins to form:
“The planet encompasses a multitude of worlds, ever unfolding.”
“Nevertheless, [the multiple world]’s loss is not to be mourned. For it is not death, but a homecoming that awaits them. And in the planet’s embrace, all life is as one.”
It’s not a multiverse, it’s not even multiple realities. It’s different aspects of the lifestream.
I think of it like this: the planet is playing a very elaborate game of chess against Jenova. Jenova’s vessel, Sephiroth, and the planet’s vessel, Aerith, are at the heart of the battle. Sephiroth takes over the whispers from Remake, giving him an edge and allowing him to manipulate the lifestream, see the future. So the planet responds with its own whispers and its own champion to break the rules: Zack Fair.
Sephiroth counters by keeping Zack away, and by further manipulating Cloud; making him think Aerith is alive and keeping the only person capable of clearing his senses, Tifa, as far away and distant from cloud as possible.
Right now, Sephiroth is winning. The only thing that will turn the tide is the planet and Tifa bringing Cloud to his senses
i'm still waiting for genesis to come back 🤡🤡🤡🤡
this would be funny as hell
Imagine there is a Viceroy and it’s Genesis under a new name 😂
@@Masterpain33 I was beginning to think that it was an alias that Rufus gave to himself. He's not playing both sides?
@@ThoraxetheImpaile100it’s 100% Rufus, he’s backing the Wutai resistance and he’s also the leader of Avalanche
Considering the white feather falling down during the intro to rebirth (possibly angeal refereance) and yuffie seeing nero again through a vision I can really see him coming back through either side content in 3 or a redo of dirge
Square Enix really said: “More like Glenn Diskin, amiright Ben?”
You want to know what's crazy is the loveless theme is somehow more refined when reflected to the golden trio when you realize there r different aeriths. Like think about the blank materia. Materia holding memories. Aerith didn't act like the aerith from remake and seemed to have forgotten. This aerith that comes back and pulls you into the other world is the aerith that's knows everything. The goddes and your guide. Insane. No wonder the aerith in rebirth was different from having any memories of the future and jut hope.
I just finished the game almost 2 hours ago, watched at least 3 reactions, and that moment still hurts. They did such a masterful job of pulling a swerve.
anyone notice that sarruf is basically an anagram of rufus ?
My take on this:
She is dead. There is no timeline where she lives. She is dead here, Sephiroth killed her. This isnt flickering between timelines of where she died and where cloud saved her. What we are seeing is fragments of reality mixed with what Cloud wants to see. We know his brain clouds his mind and hides the truth from himself because its too hard to handle. So when he sees her waking up, thats what he wants to see. So thats what his brain tells him he is seeing.
I believe when we reach the northern crater and Sephiroth is showing him his reality, while Cloud is telling Tifa its all an illusion make to confuse them, Sephiroth will show cloud what actually happened at the altar. And then we will get the iconic scene, with all the dialogue from the original, and cloud lowering her into the water. His brain has blocked the entire scene out to save himself from breaking down, exactly as he did with nibleheim. I found it very confusing at first playthrough, as so much was happening. but when you do this a second time, it all makes sense and comes together. Everyone else is mourning, while Cloud acts like nothing happened because his brain has told him nothin has happened. He sees Aeris so thinks she is there. But, in time, he will learn the truth of what happened and he will have one bad fucking breakdown.
I agree. I think she's dead. He just cannot accept it mentally. Also Sephiroth is altering the destiny/timeline of FF7. So its possible to say that he probably manipulated that moment to make it seem to cloud like had saved Aerith. So Cloud truly believes in a twisted way that he did. But also it's all in his head. A bit confusing but oh well. Long story short, Aerith is dead 😔
@@granddaddyotaku636 yeh it was definitely confusing. Being thrust into an hour long ending battle didn't give you any time to think about wtf is going on. I was outraged at first that the scene wasn't as heart breaking as the original, they did it an Injustice I thought. But second time through it all fell into place and I think its actually incredibly well done.
The lines are already been drawn ... The writers did a wonderful job of answering one mystery and introducing a new one to keep us talking until part 3. The ending is intentionally ambiguous, not unlike Remake's ending where there were numerous debates about Zack's fate being changed or not. Two things can be true at once. I think Cloud is not simply "imagining" Aerith as Nanaki could vaguely sense her presence in the cut scene at the end. My thoughts are that her appearances to Cloud would unwittingly prolong the trauma of her death. This would explain his mental and emotional state in AC. The theme of FF7 is and always been coping with loss. Let's not forget that Cloud actually remembers Zack--but confuses him with another infantryman (so basically, he got the roles reversed). Wait a minute ... Rebirth? Reverse? heh ...well played.
I disagree. The reason? Nanaki. The final cutscene makes a point to show Nanaki sensing Aerith putting her hand on him. I think that was very intentional on the part of the devs. The one moment makes it improbable that the whole thing is in cloud's head/a grief response. The earlier game flash-sideways to alternate timeline Zack also have nothing to do with our Cloud and essentially confirm that alternate timelines exist.
What probably happened: In the remake timeline cloud successfully blocks masamune. Aeirth is saved. A rainbow appears with the block (similar to other rainbows when Cloud and Zack are traveling between timelines/universes). Then AFTER (the key is after) this occurs, the fate whispers intervene and put the remake trilogy on the original games course and make it so Aeirth is dead. However because they couldn't intervene before cloud blocked the blow (they tried, but we the player force ourselves to make it in time), there is still an alternate timeline where Aeirth lived. But in the trilogy timeline, she is dead to everyone except cloud.
The Aeirth we see at the end is the one from the timeline where Cloud saved her. She's the same one that fought with him against Sephiroth, hell her beginning dialogue thanks him for what he did for her (saving her). And then at the end of the game he asks her if she knows the way back (to her timeline/world).
Why can Cloud see her and no one else can? The same reason he can see the rift from the Zack timeline. Cloud, Zack, Sephiroth, and Aeirth are the most important characters in the original game, and they are the ones whose fates are being directly changed in this trilogy. It's clear they all have some special relationship with fate and the new conclusion the trilogy is going towards. I mean throughout the game cloud is seeing flashes of the alternate timelines (the static when he holds his head).
I think exactly the same.
I tell you all that 3rd chapter will end with reunion of all timelines and Aerith Zack will be alive. We will have 2 diffirent endings , one with Tifa , one with Aerith or maybe 3 where Cloud is alone. Devs know greatly that fans arent happy with Aeriths death all over these years. We will be able to safe her from Sephiroth. Tifa lovers will get their ending, and Aerith lovers also;) it is fair!
*Aerith dies*
Cloud: Aerith... Wake up
Aerith: 👁️👄👁️
I love the game so much but the ending is so convoluted. I wish we just got the same scene from the earlier game.
So I just thought of this, in the beginning of the game all the party members are dead except Cloud. Maybe what we're seeing in the end here is we're playing as both versions of cloud, the one that saves her without his dead party members from Midgar explosion (hence why none of them are around) and another one where she dies but the party members survived the Midgar explosion. What confuses me though is how does the Cloud with his party members see her and speak to her, is Cloud, after this moment, just Omni-present? I Cloud's future/fate completely fixed/static allowing him to experience all realities at once? Maybe time/world shifting mechanics in part 3? I think the beginning of the game is way more important than we think and will probably be completely combed through for the next X amount of years till part 3 lol.
This is an interesting idea. We still don't know what became of that missing Cloud from the initial 'world' where we first begin with Zack at Rebirth's start. I'm not sure that's the one interacting with Aerith at the end though.
TLDR: Only Cloud sees the new reality where Aerith was saved because only he was inside the whisper wall when his deflection made that new branch reality. The rest of the team was outside the whisper wall and so when a new branch reality was created inside there, they have no connection to it and thus can't see the living Aerith or the torn sky in her reality like Cloud can.
I interpret the scenes in the forgotten capital with Cloud and a seemingly saved and living Aerith, but other party members missing as Cloud's interacting with a new branch reality he created inside the whisper-dome when he parried Sephiroth's killing stroke. Basically, I think the reason only Cloud is there in those scenes alone with Aerith where he holds her and she is alive, is because he was the only one to get through the whisper wall when he parried and created the branch reality where she lives. The rest of the party was outside that whisper dome at the time and essentially locked out of a connection with the new branch reality where Aerith is saved.
For this reason the 'Aerith, wake up' scene and scenes with Cloud interacting with Aerith at the end are only experienced by Cloud while the rest of the party sees something completely different (ie. dead Aerith in the only reality they can perceive). This also explains why Cloud doesn't act like she's dead~ to him seeing the other reality where she was saved, she's not and presumably why only he can see the tear in the sky at the end (alive Aerith's branch reality). A part of his conscious is aware that she died in the reality that the rest of the party solely sees though and he gets a brief flash of it as a memory by the lake as one of those green flash intrusive thoughts that quickly gets suppressed/dismissed by himself or Jenova's influence. Red XIII also senses the Aerith from this alternate reality at the end, but that can possibly be explained by his character having always known more about arbiters of fate, the whispers and other realities ~ all throughout Rebirth it is shown that he or perhaps his species are more in tune with this natively.
@@bhickman1015 I love this theory, and it is very likely the correct answer. Thank you for bringing this up, I honestly would never have thought of that outcome. It makes a lot sense because it is pretty similar to how the party left Midgar and basically split two realities doing so. I like this thank you!
Hopefully they find a way to resurrect aerith I need the gang back together man 😢
40:20 That was SICK. It feels like you're playing Advent Children. The battles in this game are so damn cinematic.
1:29:24
HMK: WhY dO yOu StIlL hAvE iT fOr?!
Cloud: The Reunion…
Didnt the developer say, our choices choose Aeriths fate? Why cant she be saved? Did thex lie to us?
Because no matter what you do, Aerith's fate has already been set in stone. She is fated to die.
@michaelrobosa146 No it's not more than once it was mentioned that " The future is not set in stone " " The future is always a blank page " Aerith's words, put there by the devs.
They said the journey, the story decides Aeriths fate. They wrote the story not us.
"No promises kept"
Probably the planet’s fate, but not Aerith.
I was 100% convinced the Materia Vendor in Costa del Sol was voiced by Rob Paulsen, the guy who voices Yakko Warner. The guy who yells out "How about an orb or two?" near Johnny's Inn.
1:31:40 that smile from cloud is heartbreaking
Words cannot describe how beautiful this game was probably my favorite game of all time 😭❤️
The problem with "multiverse" nonsense is that it renders your setting soulless. Dying doesn't matter anymore because everybody is alive in the next timeline over. Every narrator is unreliable because the devs can just write any scene so that you're dreaming about some other timeline, or your consciousness transferred somewhere else, or Cloud is just hallucinating. We've got like three different Zacks now... Which one am I supposed to care about?
The only thing about the ending I find interesting is Aerith's role in it. She seems like a "nexus" character from the Marvel franchise, where the same Aerith exists across all timelines simultaneously. Cloud might have the same thing going on. If that's what they're going for they can still set stakes around their roles in the story, but I that ship has sailed for the rest of the cast.
1:54:55 I’m now just realizing these credits are similar to KH3’s credits 😮
Did anyone peep that Zach was holding the Buster Sword in the same stance as Riku
To put it simple, as it was explained, every decision makes new timeline, however most of them are unstable and can't survive long. In the ending we saw the end of multiple universes created by different decisions from the characters. Aerith from another timeline gave Cloud new and full materia to fight Sephiroth before she got killed by him and this timeline dies. She used her power to control lifestream to help Zack's universe to merge with the main line, so he can help Cloud to defeat Sephiroth and took him into the lifestream with her before he was killed at the end of the world. However, Cloud managed to create new timeline by blocking the sword and I guess, this will be the timeline where she will pray to stop the meteor in the main universe (event from the original game, btw). However, this timeline will be sacraficed too, because in Advent Children, both she and Zack are in the life stream.
Man oh man oh my gosh fantastic
So when cloud has those glitchy flashes while holding aerith, you see his mouth move but his voice is muted. Apparently, these are flashes to his speach scene from the original game, the "she wont laugh or cry or get angry... my mouth is dry, my eyes burning" speech. This is also the part where sephiroth's response to this is almost the same in both OG and Rebirth, telling cloud to stop pretending to have feelings, to stop acting sad or angry, because he is a puppet.
Now the major difference is this. In the glitchy flashes, that depict the OG scene, where he has that impactful, and emotional speech we all remember, Cloud doesnt shed any tears. Nothing. However, in this rebirth iteration, he doesnt say anything. No emotional speech, not a single word, but the tears are streaming down his face.
Does that mean in the OG, cloud really is a puppet and is just faking this emotional scene, but in rebirth he breaks out of being a puppet and now shows genuine feelings and emotions?
This is by far the saddest ending I've ever seen in a video game. It took me three days to get over it! 😢
U must not have played Crisis Core 😭
@@Lala-kr9ng No I haven't. What happens in that?
So going into this game i was conflicted, I never played the original however like i assume many other knew of Aerith’s death.
I was worried that the impact of her dying would be lessened due the me knowing she was gonna die and was anticipating it. I wanted the moment to hit me hard but was worried it wasn’t and when it happened i felt wasn’t hitting like I feared.
That was until Aerith’s theme started playing during the first phase of the Jenova Lifeclinger fight that i went from a few tears to my jaw dropping and absolutely balling my eyes out crying so hard i could barely even fight the thing.
The moment hit me like a freaking dump truck, and I can’t begin to tell you how happy i was.
That’s not to mention the whole final boss fight being a roller coaster of emotions from sadness to hype etc.
man, I am 40 years old and Aerith death made me cry in silent .. they made her so loveable and innocent and the fact that she is the last remaining ancient who lost her mom and then killed by that piece of s sephiroth make my blood boil , she died in a young age and which make it even sadder that she didn't leave midgar and when she saw the grasslands ( the open world at the start of the game ) she was excited and happy to DISCOVER life and the beauty of nature like an innocent little girl .. man, it sucks so bad .. as I said
I'm 40 years old man and cried ..alot ...
@@immortalart959 me too pal, why would i play this game just to suffer lol. Gosh i love Aeries so much!
This I believe is a plot written by Nojima straight out of his novel "On the Way to a Smile - Livestream Black and Livestream White". I believe the Aerith Cloud sees at the end is in fact the Aerith from the livestream. The novel takes place around Advent Children. Aerith and Sephiroth are both in the livestream not fully part of it yet. She senses that more and more souls get corrupted by him (black whispers), she tries to find out what he is planning, but she is afraid to get too close. And she is sure she could manifest herself again in a way that Cloud could see her.
sorry for the multiple comments but i post as i watch the vid XD.
the glenn that we see is just like when Cloud see's sephiroth and a "clone" is nearby, it's Jenova influence making people see the person they hate/fear/love
The best way to think about Aerith's existence is that, if you examine when Cloud deflects Sephiroth's attack, a rainbow patter appears, exactly like each time Zack made a decision. On another video, the going theory is that Aerith physically "died" in the main timeline but "survives" in a parallel timeline created by Cloud's deflection. But, because she's a Cetra, she has powers that allow her to exist through the lifestream and harness the white Whisperers to be able to "exist" in such a way as to allow Cloud to see her until it's time for the next event. There's a rather deep discussion on it in the comments section on this video:
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I finished this game today and cried all day afterwards. For someone who is thoroughly familiar with all major components of the franchise and adores all the characters, this Destroyed me. Then leaving Aerith’s spirit behind, Cloud being in denial, Zack potentially never properly reuniting with them, it’s so tragic and yet inevitable. Legendary game.
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It's really cool to see Ben Diskin still getting work with Square Enix. I still remember meeting him at an anime convention back in 2017 and he did a Young Xehanort line from memory. Dude is really cool.
As much as i wasnt happy with how aeriths death went down. No send off, none of the original lines, the whole confusing nature of it etc.. im glad she will return in part 3. She was the star of this entire game. And in a way, the gang leaving her behind, and her saying goodbye, was enough of a send off in the end. Bravo square enix, a true masterpiece
same, she became one of my favorite characters in remake and rebirth only solidified it for me. the ending was bittersweet but since there's the whole timeline stuff and her being alive in another timeline makes it also hopeful for part 3.
Think we will get those scenes properly in the next game, but with clouds current state it's all being blocked out.
I would have still liked to have seen them but I think that's what they are going for
for me the no send-off is a big hint Aerith is still alive, like there is NO WAY they skip a scene like that for no reason.
@@zero1343 yea I think we will get a full cgi scene where cloud lowers her In to the water and every1 says their final goodbyes to her. Especially because square might see all the negative feedback over it 😂
i definitely think we might get those scenes in the next game OR aerith may come back
Aerith showed up at the end because she is the canon choice👍🏻
the part where the aerith that cloud sees touches red and red feels her presence is a key point to tell us its not just Cloud coping with her death with post traumatic visions.
An interesting note is that Remake: Intergrade got an UPDATE on THE SAME DAY when Rebirth released. It changed dialogue in the English dub of Aerith during the ending outside the city. Pre-release she said, "I miss the steel sky" however, in the new update, she says what is a more correct translation of the original japanese, "I really hate the sky." Which could indicate that Aerith in the main timeline had always seen the sky as the torn version just like we see in the end.
What I think and what you’re thinking are so in line, because these last few scenes with Aerith, especially the slow turn and the music being creepy, almost reminiscent of Sephiroth’s slow turn in the fire, like I was so uncomfortable, creeped out by this “Aerith”. So unsettling. Like Cloud is repressing so hard, as he’s done before, and his mind is even more broken than it was in the OG. To me a major part of FF7 is mental health, and how it deteriorating can be such an awful thing, and yes I know some will say it’s lifestream Aerith, but it can be both, and even if it isn’t, to me personally, Cloud’s mind is just beyond broken.
I have a feeling the third installment may address 3 things: Defeating/Sealing Sephiroth (as originally intended), Advent~ish plot, and Dirge~ish plot. Possibly, this might even pan out to two more installments.
I have a theory!
Sephiroth succeeds with the uniting of worlds which brings Zack and Aerith back to us from different timelines for the final fight. He summons Meteor and we take him down like the original and Holy comes in and everything goes awry but then boom, Aerith joins our timeline and brings the Lifestream with her to save the planet. Everything like the original, but everyone is together and our childhoods can finally start to heal after decades of suffering! Right?!
... right?
I am honestly surprised how dream-like the other parallel world seems. It seems more like a portal to a close, small section of another side, rather than a full-on multiverse. And I kinda like it that way! Funny enough, when I first played of7, there were multiple Clouds shown in 1 scene and I was also super confused 😂
I hope we can play as Zack more in the next one. His moveset seemed so cool
I was hoping we could use his DW though..
When I saw Sephiroth using a move called “Heartless Angel” and I screamed to the TV and say “KINGDOM HEARTS?!?”
He uses it in remake too. It’s the attack where he throws down the sword and drops everyone to one HP if you don’t GTFO.
@@sanddry738 he's used it since the original FF7
@@dominicsawicki6943 yeah I think it was a rarer move used in the safer Sephiroth fight. Although KH definitely made it popular with how dangerous it could be
@@sanddry738 Oh yeah, definitely. A lot of his moveset is KH/Dissidia inspired
@@sanddry738You can't really dodge that, can you? I was at the edge of the arena, dodge rolling like crazy on the egde, and still got hit every single time.
I think you have to see this from Cloud's perspective. He's losing his mind. Everyone else is mourning her, but he thinks he sees her? Much like his own memories, he can't even rely on his own perception. When he finds out that she's well and truly dead and everyone keeps questioning how he isn't even reacting appropriately to her death, he will crack. Hard.
@@gatorarman12 Im fairly sure Cloud has figured that out, the issue I have is not so much the secrecy but him not explaining anything a simple
"After we fell from the Temple Aerith took our minds to an alternate Gaia one I think that was created after we beat Destiny in Midgar, I Did manage to save her from Sephiroth thus created another branch, But because we didnt stop the Whisers this time they did what they did to Barret in the Shinra tower... I know ecause when we were split after fighting Genova I ended u fighting Sephroth, with some help... want to guess by who?"
Of course the guys not going to try to explain anything and its going to lead to 'issues' in the next one
Aerith is death but she transcended into the Life Stream becoming it's protector, like "Mother Earth", Cloud is connected to Aerith, that's why he is the only one who can see her and interract with her, similar to OG Cloud in Advent Children.
Aerith's body died, her spirit lives on in the Planet's Life Stream.
Probably the same case on how he is the only one who can see sephiroth in most cases because both him and aerith is in the lifestream now
The illusion thing seems to imply that some things actually might be real but hidden
the fact we get to do the Bizarro Sephiroth fight was amazing in it's own right! so we know for sure in part 3 we're getting Jenova death(could be renamed to deathbringer) i bet along with Synthesis (renamed to Jenova pure for all we know) along with Safer Sephiroth (betting they'll call him Sephiroth Seraph)
after completing this yesterday after 100+ hours made me hyped for the next 3 years when we'll gradually hear about the third and final installment of the FF7 franchise! can't wait!
I need an ending analysis video. The ending currently screams to me that the world cloud is in is now in a state of reunion.
10:35 and yet they made you whether you pressed anything or not. I too was at the edge of my seat thinking we actually defied fate, but that’s to be truly determined in the final game of the trilogy.
42:40 that’s actually bizzaro sephiroth, the big form you fight in the north crater in the OG game after the last jenova and before safer sephiroth. Which also confirms that we’ll be fighting that form in the third game, but I wonder if we’ll fight a new form of sephiroth.
I honestly did enjoy getting in one final fight with Aerith, and the ending felt good. Also with Glenn and the first soldier more relevant now, will you be reacting to the new story chapter drops of first soldier or will you just playthrough the whole story once it’s complete in ever crisis? It’s kind of funny that Ben Diskin plays another villain in a console game whose full origin we have to find out through an app game (it’s dark road all over again lol)
Do you think the empty materia will be used to help cloud piece together who he is and think we might see Denzel in the third game as a background character?
sephiroth talks about mixing emotions joy turning into hate and sadness its a bit meta but the devs wanted the players to feel exactly that thats what he needed
This game is just too good to be true.
Wait, this is the only reaction you did? I was looking for the beginning of this and I can't find any. :(
It was Bizarro Sephiroth, the second-to-last form of Sephiroth you fight at the end of the OG. Safer Sephiroth is his winged form with the halos, when One Winged Angel plays. We'll definitely see that in Part 3, though I am surprised we got Bizarro Sephiroth this early on. I think it's a nice touch, and helps the player visualize how powerful he's become after years of hibernation (just like Jenova).