The Atheist Experience 770 with Matt Dillahunty and Don Baker
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- The Atheist Experience 770 for July 15, 2012 with Matt Dillahunty and Don Baker.
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:43- Intro & Announcements - Matt Dillahunty
01:57- Don Baker on failures of Christianity - failure of Christian science
21:47- David (atheist): working for a non-profit Christian organization
29:34- Matt (theist from episode 768 and 769): says he has Matt on the hook and that he won't slip away
30:08- Evan: tries to invent a new fallacy, handling dangerous snakes
36:11- Anthony (theist): poor bible knowledge among theists, the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, encouragement for education in the Bible, Presbyterianism, God is truth
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David, I know how you feel. I realized my faith was disappearing WHILE in the middle of delivering a sermon. I was speaking, said something accurate related to the history and context of the passage and thought, "Hey, wait a minute..." Feeling yourself grab hold of the string that untangled all of it while in the middle of speaking to the congregation is a real gut check moment.
did you actually stumble where the congregation noticed? i prolly would've stopped talking mid-sentence as my brain processed the epiphany i just had and they would've thought i was having a stroke or something. lol
@@aliceIMF watching the video back, no. You get to the point where stage presence is so practiced that you don't really react to what you're saying. It definitely shook me, but you really couldn't tell. What was worse, for me, is watching the congregation fail to react at all. They just absorbed the information without application.
@@tryintoreason9738 i can see that, especially when you've done it for so long. you're prolly on autopilot. but as for their lack or reaction, it's not really surprising. up until that moment, hadn't you done the same thing, absorb without application? did it sink in for any of them later, and they approached you about it?
@@aliceIMF Yeah, more or less. I hadn't really thought about that passage much beyond OT survey in bible college. The lack of reaction stung me, even though it wasn't really unexpected. I went home that day thinking about all the people sitting in all the sermons that morning just gulping down what they were hearing without chewing on it at all. The authoritarian nature of that really started to bother me.
@Tryin' to Reason curious, what was the actual topic that you were speaking on that day?
Anthony from Youngstown,
"What about slavery in the bible"
"Oh, i wasn't talking about that.."
Classic.
"Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of Hell?"
That's the nice Jesus talking there folks.
That's just JC's mysterious way of telling us how much he loves us.
What a scamp.
@@richardgrayson3241
He wasn't the messiah.
He was....
@@tedgrant2 A very naughty boy.
@@palestinianhummus9251
We don't know much about Jesus when he was a teenager, but I suspect you are right.
@@tedgrant2 When God/(Jesus?) rubs one out...the "one"...is a tribe/nation.
"Join us! We're different!" - Every religion ever.
No, the seductive lies of Islam are depressingly familiar.
35:15 🤣 "The Wore Of Babylon was actually my friend Juanita that I used to work with at a tobacco shop" 🤣 LOL!!
Hahahhahha nice !
"Eye for an eye,"
"Turn the other cheek,"
There is a logical contradiction in the Bible. Please insert $1 to try again.
Technically, both of those can apply. You just have to assume that each part of the face is covered by a different set of rules.
@john mcclure maybe they poke you in the eye, you turn the other cheek...so they can have your other eye. Like giving jacket thief your shirt too.
turning the other cheeck.....so he can take the second eye .....
Atheism often leads to skepticism, skepticism leads to ability to better see untrue things.
This leads to believing more true things and less false things.
Thormp1 Honestly, I feel like the “believe more true things and less false things” phrase Dillahunty uses is a bit misleading, mainly because in science, things can be proven definitively false but only tentatively true, and our models are essentially approximates that match what we have observed so far, and can be changed if further observations don’t match up; I think a better way of saying what he’s thinking is “have an internal model of reality that matches what I observe as closely as possible”.
Skepticism: Is there enough evidence to accept x?
Atheism: There is insufficient evidence to accept god claim x.
skepticism leads to, amongst other things, atheism.
skepticism is an approach to the world. atheism is the response to one question/issue.
Christian science= God done did it.
Most powerful being in the universe craves glory.
Yes maybe it does? Maybe Glory is how it keeps score among other gods?
I love the great sense of relief when the intro music ends
21:50 first caller atheist
29:35 Matt from Norway
30:09 Evan
36:10 Anthony
"Matt... from Oslo, Norway"
Haha, this guy again?...
Anthony wants to base an argument on adam and eve nonsense.
Proverbs [3:5]
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding."
Yup.
This was my new favorite episode. Matt and Don are my favorites, and they way they dealt with Oslo Matt was perfect. Also the way people keep bringing up past arguments and failing at rebutting them shows how strong the atheist view is.
100%
Daaaang 8 years ago
"Christian Science"??? seems like an oxymoron to me...
That's because it is.
And a cult.
That's not what the hosts are talking about, of course.
It's like police intelligence
Emphasis on moron.
i haven't watched one of these for ages.
i forgot how much i love you guys :)
lol awesome. Great stuff from you guys like always keep em coming!
Excellent quality! Many thanks.
great work guys, keep it up
Listening to Evan made me physically hurt
A very nice episode 😊
Iron chariots. I just connected the wiki with the biblical story! Holy shiznik, I'm thick!
LOL. Don't be too hard on yourself. There are many people who have never heard the story with the Iron Chariots, that the supposedly all powerful deity of the universe for some reason had a real problem dealing with.
In my experience it tends to be rarely brought up by believers.
We can also all be slow on the uptake on occasion. We are only human after all.
Late to the punchline? We all have a brain fart at times; don’t be embarrassed.
Hola, this is the cleaning lady....
I remember when I was theist I used to think u guys were devil spawns now I can't stop watching ur show and this show is one of the many things that helped me find my way out of religion
Awesome ! Congrats 👍😀
The fact that it is so many different denominations of christianity proves the Christianity can be anything.
I was late one time and people asked me where I had been. I was at the Christian Science Reading Room trying to find out how to get rid of a headache.
I love the intro song :P
Special cream = Silly Jizzum. That joke was brilliant! 😂
When the caller from Littleton, CO asked about a particular fallacy it sounded to me as though he was thinking of something like Hume's Law.
What did the guy from Norway say? I've listened to it back like 3 times now, and I can't understand what he said.
"So the sun stood still in the midst of Heaven and hasted not to go down about a whole day so all the wise men and shepherds demanded an extra day's pay, but Joshua just gave them fish and chips"
To be fair, they just witnessed an amazing trick, which should have been enough reward.
Oooh good point !
@@rb2321
Oooh birds.
"Ya wanna bet?" and then he walks right into it. LOL
My wife and I have had a house in Florida since 1999 and we spend the winter there(we are Brits) and when we came out as atheists we encountered alot of hostility in the small community where we go. it has reached the stage now that we are thinking of selling up and buying a place elsewhere in the US. I was considering Austin Tx
thx dude!
would you agree that christian science is clearly opaque?
;)
I sat next to a missionary on a plane for 5 hours. He was actually very tolerant of my choices and we had some very great conversations. There are smart and good Theists out there, don't just jump to thinking that they're the stereotype or you're no better than they are.
Wouldn't God telling you explicitly not to eat the fruit that gives you knowledge of the difference between good and evil be 👿 inherently anti-knowledge on gods part?
They didn't know something integral, and God punished them for learning about said integral thing. Idk, still think Don was in the right in that situation.
Well yeah. If they didn't know right or wrong by design, how could they be blamed for doing wrong. If eve didn't understand the concept of sin, how could she have sinned? My head hurts.. so much nonsense.
"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. "
If his community as treating him badly for honesty and being who he is he needs to find himself a new community .
my favorite combination is either matt and don or matt and tracy! always entertaining and intense debates with tracy as co host. and always funny with don
completely agree with all your points
Matt just gets surlier with time. Fun to watch. :)
Any time I hear jurassic park quoted, I like it. Haha my favorite movie of all time
Aww, I was kinda looking forward to hearing Matt from Norway, and which superior evidence for the existence of god he has come up with this week. perhaps next week ;)
How long is this damn playlist? I also created a fallacy it's called The Jism Fallacy and it goes like this. "I don't know what it is but I know it isn't that or what you said". 🤷♂️😁🤣🤣
I was personally present when Dwaine Gish admitted that the Universe 'might' be 15,000 yrs old.
Haven't had an interesting call for soooooo long!
Made perfect sense to me.
David should consult a labor lawyer about his particular company's exemptions, if any from the EEOC laws.
There's a word for someone who doesn't smoke, for someone who doesn't use mind altering substances at all, for someone who doesn't eat meat, for someone who doesn't want to have kids, etc.
Watch the past like 5 episodes.
"Matt from Oslo" is a complete tool.
I assume Don said "Indiana Jones too" not "2" because Raiders of the Lost Ark is the 1st IJ
evolution is proven, you most likely do not understand evolution, nor the defenition of theory in science,
lol Matt from Oslo got owned
Here are some philosophical questions for you.
1. Do you think planet earth as we know it came about by chance?
2. Do you think the universe (sum of all celestial bodies) is eternal? Will it ever end?
3. Do you think the universe had a beginning?
Yup, I went to church as a child but grew out of it to the extent that I see it as just a charade at best and a confidence trick at worst.
Ha, with Subtitles, 40:47 says Chia pet of knowledge. I found the much funnier than it probably is.
That is actually a good question. I was planning on going to sleep in a minute but this is going to keep me up for a while, lol. So..thanks for that.
Mark 16:18 "They shall take up serpents and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them
And the talking snake spoke to Adam and Eve and their first thought was has that fucker God spiked our drink again!
I have no idea what "deinterlaced" means, but whatever it is I appreciate you uploading such high quality videos so quickly.
If a god actually communicated its message via a book, the same copy should be able to be read by people of different languages, but they'd each see it in their own language, and they'd all agree on what it means.
@54:23 "...they all have to believe those." It amazes me that people are told what they must believe, and they mindlessly accept it.
Tricky... at a guess I'd say Randolf Scott or maybe Rock Hudson... no-one saw THAT coming... My old mom was devastated...
What does computer systems have to do with this?
A) A computer system, no matter how complex, can be understood using logic (and knowledge of the hardware used, etc). It's a real, tangible, man-made thing.
B) The faith one has in a computer system and its developers/Admins should be a cautious *trust*, at best, because:
C) All (complex) software have bugs.
D) Tech support on a system worth your trust is actually in contact with the developers and/or can fix problems that you encounter.
"grabbing on the coat tails of science and try to make it all better but really its just marketing" i swear that exact line is in "The God Delusion"
Matt must have thought it was stand up night. Get this guy a mic!....ohh, wait.
the show was cut to a 60 minute format many months ago. I think somewhere around the 700th episode.
The Bible is a collection of ancient writings, mostly, if not entirely, by the ancestors of the Jews.
As such, it gives a fascinating insight into culture and beliefs in the distant past.
Over the centuries, some people have used the book as a basis for various religions.
I can imagine scientists using the book in their lavatories, but not in their laboratories.
I'm more likely to call to a search and rescue team.
I have no idea what the hell did that dude from Norway said that pissed off Matt so much.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow." Game Over Anthony.
Have you started looking for other work, as Don suggested, or has your revealing of your atheism not affected your current job status? Good luck to you in any case!
I doubt it, but Ehrman has plenty of lectures of his own, plus some great debates with WLC and Dinesh D'Sousa
Thanks but the whole point is to spend the winter away from the British cold weather.We are also looking at Australia which we know already but its a 22 hour flight.
Anthony:”There’s different flavors of christianity.”
Yeah, LOTS of different flavors.
Matt and Don: Badasses
Palimpsest, Don. It's a palimpsest.
Well said sir ;)
I grew up Presbyterian (usa)... Went to the trienieum... I never heard this stuff.
I've heard many people refer as the middle ground to be "agnostic," but I've heard Matt's view on it and I've seen a...chart that explains it, but many still label themselves as agnostics. I'm just a bit confused. If you can help out an idiot, can you clarify this for me?
I think the fallacy Evan was looking for is called the fact/value gap, deriving an ought from an is, first recognised by David Hume.
1. omg matt's in a good mood! :P
2. he should'nt have hung up on the guy at 29:50 he's amusing!
3. guy at 44:15 does that "theres also good bits!" that matt hates
XD
If you look closely at the xtian "science" rider, he's holding a paint can behind his back, and the START sign is crossed out with FINISH painted below it.
Problem is... William Lane Craig sounds so much like a politician you just instinctively know that you can't believe a word he says.
That I can somewhat agree with. Alone it's not a strong leg to stand on, but it's enough to call for consideration.
I loved Evan I'd watch a stand up show of this guy if he had one. :)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this! I don't know what's going on with him, but this week he seems particularly cranky.
Some people listen to relaxing music to help them go to sleep. I listen to Anthony from New York.
What was that Matt from Oslo thing? Who was that dude?
can someone point to me what is the passage that Matt always refers as the main reason he left christianity? the one that says that christian believers should be able to defend their belief?
I suck at searching and didn't found it.
When I saw the title of this clip, I thought it was going to be addressing the specific sect of Christianity known as "Christian Science" started by Mary Baker Eddy in the 1800s. I guess it's all about where you place the quotation marks!
I've only watched twenty minutes..I'm still watching (at the time I post this comment)...but I see Matt from Oslo in the description and I just died a little inside...siigh
At 32:31 Matt wrongly references Matthew 16:19-20. He misspoke, it's Mark 16:18.
Matt was just testing us on our knowledge of the book of weirdness and lies
He said Aristophanes (the 5th century comedy playwright) instead of Eratosthenes the cartographer which he meant >.>
Correction: I said "west" twice but meant "east"; it actually doesn't change anything since they did have land west of their borders that they didn't control, but it's much more dramatic on the eastern border...
They give a basis for the show... so learn to sit through them or fast forward till you get to the callers.
But Austin has great music venues and thats where the Atheist's Experience is broadcast and we are only in the States in the winter as our kids and grandkids go out there the other times of the year.
Much of science comes from observations. A few sciences, like chemistry, can use experimentation. But for most, observation is the key element of what we know.
Please first define definition.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Very entertaining episode.
Hold on my man, Archimedes was born and lived in Syracuse (Siracusa) on the island of Sicily, that was a Greek colony at that time. Calling him a Greek scientist would be like calling Satyendra Nath Bose a British scientists because he was born in colonial India.
Agreed. Here is a similar common assumption.
Most people assume Napoleon was French.
He was born Corsican. (it was conquered by France in 1769 and became a colony)
At around 32:32 Matt says the verse is in Matthew but it's in Mark. Just for clarification.