The Atheist Experience 734 with Matt Dillahunty and Don Baker
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- The Atheist Experience 734 for November 6, 2011 with Matt Dillahunty and Don Baker.
"Why did Christians stop killing Jews?" Don asks why do Christians know so little about the biggest theological event of the last century.
Viewer calls: the Cambrian Explosion and the dreaded question to provide proof and evidence that atheism is accurate and correct; relationship problems between atheists and religious conservatives; abortion issues and bodily rights.
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:00- Intro & Announcements - Matt Dillahunty
03:40- Don Baker on Failures of Christianity - Genocide
25:09- Andrew (atheist): antisemitism in Europe
31:48- Jacob (theist): the Cambrian explosion proves God, asks what proof and evidence proves atheism is true
39:26- Jeff (atheist): is dating a conservative fundamentalist Christian, tolerating moderate Christianity, Peter H. Gilmore and the Church of Satan
49:55- Nathan (atheist): explains his stance as a pro-life atheist
55:07- Duane (atheist): dealing with a backlash from Christians
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The funny thing about all those morality issues is that all the godly revelations to correct a specific wrong came with or shortly after the (secular) enlightenment...
I really like what Don said about how the initial intense interest in atheism will fade. I hope it does; I'm sort of obsessed with the subject right now lol. It's addicting.
I've been an atheist for about 2 years, maybe a couple months more, and I can agree that the initial zeal does die down. I still very much enjoy debating people and still watch plenty of debating videos, but as Don said, the conviction with which I would do so has diminished slowly. It's simply becoming part of who I am, and I'm enjoying every bit of it. Huge thanks to people like Dillahunty for being public figures and promoting free thinking and skepticism.
It's been a year... has it faded yet? I identified as an atheist after 9/11 simply because I finally took a hard look at what religion does to people. If I had to identify myself before 9/11, I was an agnostic deist (not that I would have even _known_ that label back then). I said all that because I still do have an intense interest in this subject. I do agree with ExternalTooth that the conviction with which I argue has diminished.
GeneralZod99 I mostly have left the subject behind, but surprisingly, there was a recent period of a few weeks where the passion returned and I found myself watching atheist videos everyday and starting new arguments, etc. I recently snapped out of it lol. But yeah, other than that little episode it's mostly become a background subject for me. I've learned how to channel my passion into areas more important to me.
GeneralZod99 I was going agnostig 40 plus years ago, however teachings about the modern nation of Isreal being fulfillment of Bible prophecy kept me from continueing towards atheism! Skeptics before 1948, including atheist did not believe Isreal was going to become a nation & they mocked Christians that were saying that Bible prophecy was being fulfilled! The main purpose for the modern nation of Isreal coming back is because JC is coming back to rule this world for the "Millenium" & many churches totally ignore the Millenium! I understand Genesis, the flood of Noah, putting human world history with Bible history & the future with the Millenium coming!!!!! "They will beat their swords into plowshares & their spears into pruning hooks & they shall study war no more"! The Millenium is going to be a time of peace/health/prosperity/opportunity like never before in human history!!!!! Just wanted to let you know !!!!!!
RonSafreed Israel becoming a nation again is a perfect example of a self-fulfilling prophecy. People were _actively_ trying to make it happen.
BTW, agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. You can be an agnostic believer. Agnosticism is not some middle ground. You either believe or you don't. You either claim to _know_ or don't. Agnosticism/gnosticism relates to know what you claim to know or what you claim _can_ be known. Theism/atheism relates to what you believe/not believe.
What a delightful post, I'm sure you are very proud of it.
~ Thank you, Matt and Don, for defining the null hypothesis. Many people like myself (I guess) come to TAE to gain knowledge. I laugh and cringe at many callers, but the TAE reps always are fascinating. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
Sorry, According to "Hitler, A Study in Tyranny" begs to differ, Hitler was a catholic, and his grandparents on his mother's side was Jewish.
hitler was catholic and supported by the catholic church and the soldiers belts had "god with us" on them AND 1-2/3 of the nazi army was of a christian denomination but its irrelevent to what religion hitler was he is an asshole leave it at that
GamerNato, he was definitely an asshole. What I can't believe, is the idiots that followed him, when according to the Nazi laws, he couldn't be allowed in any public office.
Marilyn Newman
exactly but most of the time the soldiers were either forced into service or were angry because for the first 6 months of the war the allies specifically targeted civilians in bombings after that THEN hitter started ordering attacks on things other than military fortifications
Herbie Stacy Hitler had no recoverable diaries, though some famous hoax diaries appeared (and were debunked) in the 1980s. And even those forgeries had nothing about Satan's Bible.
Herbie Stacy Uh....you do know the Satanic Bible was written in 1969, right? I would have been REAL hard for Hitler to have that on his bedside table unless he had a fricking Delorean.
All living things have DNA, therefore god. Dear christians. Everytime you say god, consider substituting the word magic
Michael Dennis us humans have "God's DNA" because we are in "His direct image", so in the physical body aspect we are like Him but we are mortal at the same time!!!!! When JC came & was born Mary gave Him 23 chromsones of her egg, but the other 23 came from God!!!! This is why He was not only "fully God but also fully human"!!!!! That is why His blood was acceptable for the atonement of sin! The animal sacrifices only put off the judgement of God!!!! However after thousands of years "a more perfect sacrifice" (JC) had to come & pay the "final price"!!!!!! This is why us Christians do no animal sacrifices like the ancient Jews did because of JC!!!!! The book of Hebrews in the N.T. of the Bible outlines this situation! BTW besides the Jews & Christians, there were the "Devout" & a "Devout Folk Monotheism" excisted, older than Judaism & Christianity!!!! So true religion is a "trinity"----FYI !!!!!!
RonSafreed i like the perspective of "God's DNA" made in his image, but i'd say that's all DNA, since He made everything. God is creativite, and it looks like all His creations are also creative! Evolution is a great example of that. Even empty space is creative -- one of the biggest surprises of modern science imao.
Folk monotheism... have to look that up... personally i think regular folk are often more godly in their behavior than preachers or bishops.
N Marbletoe I as a Christian believe in "micro-evolution"---evolution within a particular specie(example)---all the sizes &shapes & colors of dogs! Not "mega-evolution " like man coming from primates!!!!! This folk monotheism excisted in some cultures into the twentieth century & did not come out of Judaism but Judaism came out of the folk monotheism! One book is "Eternity In Their Hearts by Don Richardson & another book by Auther Custance & their is other information! BTW this Devout Folk Monotheism was the original religion with all folk at one time! Other religions came as a result of falling away from this devout aspect of not worshiping the creator but worshipping the creation & creatures instead of the creator!FYI
RonSafreed oh lord this nonsense again.
Okay. What would you call two sets of the same species, that, given enough time, "microevolved" hundreds of millions of times to the point where they did not look anything alike?
+RonSafreed So why did god make the DNA of Chimps so much like ours? Why did he make the DNA of all life on earth appear to have evolved?
great show lads, and congrats matt, cheers
Thank you, You are quite eloquent enough to debate those in darkness, do what you can. Your reward awaits you.
God bless you.
Just downloaded the android soundboard of matt... oh wow this will be fun to use in discussions lol
+Rick S What is it. Havent heard of it yet.
Is it an app with some of his quotes ?
+Noevilea yep, him saying things. Hilarious.
+Rick S Now you can be pretentious pragMattically!
Why do people who mention the Holocaust never mention that many other groups were slaughtered at that time as well?
Statistically the majority were jewish people, and the killings of non-jews wasn't really relevant to his argument, so it wouldn't have added anything.
Many Many groups in Nazi Europe were sent to the camps, Homosexaul, Jehovah's Witnesses, Sociallist's and would you believe many Athiests
paul morgan How can you possibly jump to that conclusion from my question? I said that 'people were slaughtered'. Does that sound like someone is denying the holocaust?
paul morgan Just to put this in perspective, someone who is denying the holocaust would say, 'people were *not* slaughtered'.
but you think the jews have someway been given too much sympathy??.....
That explains it now I knew it. Keep up the good work.
Great show!
HAVE FAITH! And ye shall have bacon for eternity and bread in which to put it.
TheBaconWizard Francis Bacon or Kevin Bacon?
TheBaconWizard american bacon or Canadian Bacon
TheBaconWizard Bible says no bacon... That is my main reason for not believing
+Keegan T Dogs go to heaven, dogs love bacon, so there's hope...
+TheBaconWizard do we have the option of Hickory smoked bacon ???
I LOVE that s--t. Heart attack here I come.
your show is great! :D
Great video's, i was raised a strict Catholic but in my early teens i discovered free thought and thru time became an atheist but i find details i dont know or things i'm ignorant off are made clear with some of your vids. Keep up the good work of enlightening people + spreading the practise of thinking + evaluating, rather than blind faith. Au revoir !
I would really like to thank the ACA for all their great work. I wish there was such a group in my area.
Well put
good episode!
39:23 Matt -- "Tell Shock I say 'hi'" hahahaha! Matt handled this tired question very well. Good job!
Great show, keep it up, folks, and congratulations on the marriage.
Cheers
Wow, I just did some reading up about the Cambrian explosion. Really fascinating stuff, blows my mind to think about it. This is why I love science.
That's Keith, yours and other post makes it so much easier..
"Thanks Jacob, tell Shock I said Hi..." Laughed my ass off...
Thank you.
These 'discussions' often dissolve my hopes of mankind's ability to think rationally and it helps to know someone else can see the insanity spewing all over the floor.
Support from people like you reminds me, we should not be angry at them, merely pity them.
The hole in their logical thought is enormous and someone else put it there. There is hope for every one of them, but they won't understand that until they are out of it.
"tell shock I said hi" lol
39:17 lolz at "tell Shock I said 'Hi"
You can see the boredom and impatience on Matt's face when Andrew from Estonia is rambling on.
That Matt response to the shockofgod question was absolutely delicious.
woah, this was on my bday :D
That first caller was a cure for all insomniacs....Matt and Don were very patient...
you sir, have just became my new internet friend.
AN HOUR ISN'T ENOUGH.
it addresses everything you said
Seriously I'm thankful for people standing up voluntarily for their fellow people, the rights of children, and the protection of human knowledge, especially in the face of any opposition to these goals and real social oppression. Religion is not so evangelical where I live, and is not an apparent issue in politics, so I may seem insensitive. I can assure you I am shocked and frightened by the power of fundamental evangelical Christianity in the US of A. Well done! My fear is that this fundamentalism extends much further upstream politically here than is apparent. (Canada) Oh, and the whole alien deal...
i'm curious, did you respond to zhogas's comment as i thought he retort was fitting to your original comment.
It's pretty rude to tell people they're wrong, without telling them why and/or telling them what is in fact right.
Thanks, took a while to bring it down to 500 characters lol
"Seek his will in all you do, and He will show you which path to take"----Proverbs 3:6
Tell Shock I said "hi". lol
thanks to you i skipped his part and fast forwarded right to the next caller
Absolutely my friend fire away:-))).
I guess we can always hope.
the wind is all around us. We cannot see it, yet we know it is there.
Wow Don Baker gives a very accurate and exhaustive answer around 18:50. I thought this topic was a taboo, and would be censored even on the internet. Apparently I was wrong.
@kittykatBflat That's nice, but Matt does, which is why he brought it up. That's why he bumped it to the front of the line - because he was being considerate.
@Multimorten Thing is, I am not claiming which parts of the bible is "right or wrong physically and historically." Can't really say, I just know analogies are used to describe things, and analogies were often used, like "like a thief in the night." It's quite possible to use an analogy within an analogy. I just know there is something partially in this existence, like a prisoner's hands reaching out from beyond the bars, wanting out, trying any possible way to break free or fully exist here.
"The Bible has been proven to historically correct"
It took you 10 sentences to get to the punch line?
ymistillavirgin there are parts that are true, and that’s what keeps Christians clinging on to their belief. Sure, I can accept a certain king or ruler was real but I can’t accept supernatural hocus pocus.
the first 4 mins were used for promotion, why bother forcing us to hear it if we want more info about it we will find it, put yur links and promo at the end so we have a choice if we want to hear it
Love the shows, glad I'm British.
At 39:20, Matt says 'Tell ........ I said hi.' Does anyone know what he was referring to?
Tell "Shock" I said hi. "Shockofgod" AKA Rich Allen Garcia, Christian CZcamsr.
Thumbs up!
THANK YOU Don for mentioning that the issue of abortion is not an Atheist issue! This is the first time I've ever seen and Atheist admit that.(Although I do agree with your comment about context).
@thewayofthecookie I believe you're going to have to clarify your questions. They have been asked in a somewhat ambiguous manner.
The shameless, Matt Dillahunty on Android plug was priceless.
We'll see.
Oh yeah, I went and listened to the soundboard, go check it out people! Its cruelly funny :D
Yeah , finally intelligent life forms ! I was wondering if I was in a goundhog day nightmare .
The snail scenario is even more easily explained; These were water-dwelling snails, and these Snails build their shells in a unique way -they take carbon from the water, (and so the sediment dissolved in it) rather than the atmosphere. To put it basically, this doesn't "reset" the C-14 timer. What was actually dated was the age of the rock the water passed over (In this case the Limestone which has very low levels of C-14 anyway so the scale used was also incorrect)
@GypsyLeah There is not much on my mind, however, we can commence the subject at another time. I have embedded my piece of mind into this place. I find it kind of funny that you are still asserting the conversation with me. Why?
Suprised that Matt and Don didn't pick up Jacob on his "all the species suddenly appeared in the Cambrian". The statement is categorically incorrect. The major phyla occured but not the species. The jawed fish was the highest form that appeared in the Cambrian.
♪ Gotta get back, back to past, god of the gaps ♪
My beautiful daughter was raised without religion. She is an incredibly good person. She sees wrongs, they bother her, she takes action if she can. She's seriously dating a catholic. Not devout but semi-practicing. He says it's a deal breaker if she does't become a catholic. Upsets me! Problem? I adore him in every other respect. She'll have to do the school thing, convert, take a test. He admits she can't flunk the test or fail. Also that she really doesn't have to believe. Why bother then?
Matt spends the whole of the first call wishing he didn't jump the guy up the queue
I'll try to address the other questions, first day back at work, will follow up.....:)
How is it possible for Matt to memorize all those announcements?
@Multimorten Seems I'm not the only one nuts about the number either. There was research done that when it came to students picking a number from 1-20, 17 was the most common number chosen. Seems that Even some of the greatest minds also had a thing for the number 17. In mathematics the number even has some attributes that is uncommon with rest of the prime numbers. Check it out for yourself.
A lot of us share your pain. Some of us still feel the fears of religion when we've intellectually left it in the dust.
Do you have a point by citing (John 16:25)?
I can attest to at least one individual case of Baltic anti-semitism. I lived with a Lithuanian for a year, and his gripe was basically that the Jewish victims of the Nazis got all the press, while Lithuanian victims have been largely overlooked.
i doubt it
The problem is defining what a "Christian" is. He was baptized & confirmed in the Catholic Church, and his writings as an adult reflected a reverence for God and Jesus, and was never excommunicated and never disavowed his faith. Since the things that Christians believe are all over the map, how can one tell? Killing Jews was a time honored Christian tradition at the time, so you can't disqualify him there. Wars of conquest were also standard fare so that's OK too. In what way was he different?
22:33 The rain falls on the wicked and righteous alike.
+jamie Allen1977 Congrats on a traditional marriage!
Besides, in this conversation we were talking about "modern" human history (As in, after our species had pretty much established itself and had time to get nice and comfy) where did evolution come into it?
The Cambrian "explosion" actually took about 25 million years. Yes this is quick with regards to the normal process of evolution but it does give plenty of time for different forms of life to diverse into many different niches that existed without any divergent forms to exploit them! As one niche was filled (ie grazers of sea flora, or carnivorous fauna began to consume the grazers) others began to exploit the niches that weren't being used. Therefore these organisms changed themselves (through natural processes) to enable them to exploit these niches. Hence an "explosion". This does not take into account punctuated evolution where organisms rapidly change to be able to survive a sudden (literally sudden) change in habitat, ie land suddenly becoming an inland lake through an inundation of water. Therefore organisms that can swim survive the ones that can't don't.
@Symos Actually that theory was about a rapid growth of evolution. It kinda contradicted the theory of natural selection until natural selection theory allowed evolution of natural selection after intentional physical altercations. Not much is know to why it happened, just basically nothing but hypothesis that is mostly related to rapid mutations caused by radiation, while more in the metaphysical realm, something like Final Fantasy 7 and 12's meteorite tainting of earth's life stream.
what is your evidence that Jesus fulfilled the prophecies of the OT? For example, what's your evidence for the virgin birth? I am sure you won't just quote the gospel, because one section of a book does not prove another true in absence of external proof. Any book of fiction can contain a prophecy in chapter 1 and its fulfillment in chapter 10. Also, if God is Jesus' dad, how can Jesus be the descendant of David? How do you account for Jesus' failed prophecies [like Matthew 16: 27, 28]?
what is the Old Boarders ??
@Account4TheMusic Don doesn't have the same confidence and presence that Matt has but he's just fine by me. It's good to have a spectrum of different personalities.
Please elaborate :)
@sned10000 As an atheist, I think Hitler was neither a Catholic nor an atheist. But he clearly incorporated Christian symbolism and other references to "Lord" in his writings. Whatever his beliefs were, what does it say about the millions of German Christians who believed that he was a Christian/Catholic? Can they not distinguish a member of their own faith?
@thewayofthecookie That's why it's not wise to jump into someone's theory, without knowing what they mean by universe and what all it implies, because they're expecting that you are getting into their theory, that you know how they are applying the details. Some people implies that an alternative dimension is something like another universe. When really, dimensions are also used to make up just our universe from 1D, 2D, 3D, to I think like 14-15D now, I think. idk, somewhere in the teens.
after hearing this call and listening to jacob on the show a few times before, it sounds like he might be leaning slightly towards atheism more :)
Explain how you got to that conclusion.
If he exists, it will be his victory no doubt.. he is all powerful like a tiran.
I'm not sure what your point is or if you even have one from your reply. If you're trying to say what you believe in then can you please say something concrete. Cheers.
opinions: they vary
Just disable the comments if you're going to remove so many of them (including your own?)...
All the evil, and misery of life can be likened to scaffolding on a building. While creation is in progress, the scaffolding is an eye-sore, and serves NO PRACTICAL PURPOSE except the creation of the building. When the building is completed, we tear down the ugly scaffolding and throw it away, it serves no more useful purpose to our completed building, EVER. And so we read that even DEATH, the LAST ENEMY, will be ABOLISHED (I Cor. 15:26)!!
I hope this helps your understanding a little better.
A "relationship" would not solve the problem.
And it's almost certainly a forgery added later than his writting.
The reason for the Cambrian explosion was the ratio of oxygen in the atmosphere reaching the number necessary for the life that started evolving. before that, only photosynthetic and simple organisms existed.
No more convenient than committing an atrocity and claiming it was God's will. That is the ultimate dodge of personal accountability for one's own actions.
Don has huge shoulders
@mythicalhell Problem is, I'm not Christian. I'm Gnostic, don't confuse that with Christian Gnosticism. There really isn't any known origin of Gnosticism except the Greek origin of the word for gnosis, but the meaning goes far back way before that. Only the hypothesis that Gnosticism was what started some of the very first religions.
Matt dealt very well with the "proof atheism is accurate and correct".
I was expecting him to blow a fuse but he was very cool.
Heb 8:6,
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a BETTER covenant, which was established upon better promises.
David Attenborough has just stated that humans have stopped evolving, and as you have said, we evolved to become social animals, so then, why are there still plenty of anti-social people about?
Just watch as Shockofgod is gonna completely ignore the answer Matt gave and be all like "OMGLOLOLOL THEY DODGE TEH QVESTSHUN AGAIN"
True and factual
What is?
john limo True IS factual.
Don Baker looks like Q. Q know all! Obey Qs words! ;)