The Atheist Experience 725 with Matt Dillahunty and Tracie Harris
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- The Atheist Experience 725 for September 4, 2011 with Matt Dillahunty and Tracie Harris. Matt and Tracie take viewer calls.
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:48- Intro & Announcements - Matt Dillahunty
05:49- Tracie Harris on the Cloyne Report
10:04- Mike (theist from episode 724): the age of the Earth, claims forcing women to marry their rapists is taking care of them and
that Biblically sanctioned slavery was not that bad
24:19- William: how forceful should atheists be to Christians who have suffered misfortune and interpret them as acts of God
29:14- Greg: asks if the hosts can account for existence, free will, suggests the hosts tear down other people's views without
supporting their own
45:50- Mario: Jews ignoring the New Testament
52:07- Christopher: was Jesus a mythological figure?
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Best AE joke yet.
"You've basically called a bunch of atheists to ask why Jews don't believe in Jesus."
It could almost be a Monty Python skit.
Brilliant.
AUSTRALIA 70.000 YEARS OLD CULTURE, AND WE TALKING ABOUT "JESUS"?!!!
An all powerful genius god can't write an even slightly comprehensible book? WTF? Any book that has to be apologized for, is only good for ridicule.
Jehovah must think lying is the ultimate virtue, because his followers seem to devoted to that more than anything.
22:31 to 24:03 < In that portion, Matt couldn't be more spot on about the so called "moral guidance" from the buybull. So well said.
I love the way Matt Dillahunty holds these callers feet to the flames!
"Praise the lord", a Tracie Harris episode!! They're rare and precious.
i wish i could speak as much sense as matt dillahunty ... just amazing .. my favourite atheist :) !!! great show again too :D !!
"... I have no interest in stoning you" - "Oh thanks Matt!" =)
I like when people thank people for the minimal amount of tolerance.
The dynamic duo
Mike first seemed like a rational thinking dude but the more he talked the more relevant it becomes that he ain't so.
I'm from Sweden and even I can recognize the voice of "Mike" or like in the episode #722 where he called himself Thomas from London. I think his earlier name was Mark. In one of the episodes it seemed like he did do some progress in thinking and question his religion. However, I'm not sure what his doing now though.
Wow! Matt's on fire today!
Another brilliant masterpiece from the makers of The Atheist Experience! :D
(Nice bling ya got there on that finger Matt...)
Slave #1: "Yup, I got sold into slavery but at least I get my Sundays off"
Slave #2: "You're an idiot"
These are the best episodes, the ones in the past.
When there is a barking dog on the TV, my dog barks back and goes looking for the dog.
He believes there really is a dog in the house that requires his immediate attention.
There is no way of explaining to my dog that the dog on the TV is not real.
Similarly, there is no way of explaining to a Christian that their soul is not real.
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Your dog is demonstratedly smarter than typical theist.
Dog goes looking for barker, christians just believe the barking
Excellent advice, Tracie!
Matt is a total beast. Best arguments I've ever heard.
Matt is great.
Matt is good.
Thank you for this show amen.
Awesome intro music and video, AE
I LOVE this show. LOVE IT.
Not sure why Greg from Knoxville is surprised by Matt's answers to his questions...?
Great episode, as usual!
"Is it moral or not?" The simplest questions are the hardest to answer for theists.
@TheAtheistExperience Me gusta. I've steamrolled The Atheist Experience for about... a week now? Thoroughly enjoying it. I got into it because of all the bizzarre callers, like Mark for example, but now I've started following the full episodes, and I must say I love the work you're doing. I think (or hope, rather) you're reaching quite a lot of people, and I wish we had a similar initiative here in Norway.
Man, Matt is very knowledgeable, lots to learn from just watching him answer questions.
I love these shows
Should have some air time on TV
I like episodes with you Tracie!!!
Legendary episode.
Did this "Mike" ever call back? That I would like to listen too!
Man I've missed these guys!
I'm definitely an atheist. Thanks for the great shows. You make mincemeat of the theist suckers. Tracie you da bomb girl.
Its nice 2 c in the earliest episodes both would call in 2 the show b4 they became host.
man 3 full episodes in 1 day, its almost too much
46:28 "a high majority" LMAO.
Just realized how cool the opening animation is.
really like to know what passages were being talked about in the call with mike
There are several things I love about The Atheist Experience. Firstly, that theme song (what is it, it's awesome.) Secondly, the fact that it's a place to observe intelligent, non-judgemental conversation involving both theism and atheism, amongst intelligent individuals. Finally, Tracie Harris.
Go to 21:00 for some epic pwnage from Matt. It made me feel all warm and fuzzy.
I was nervous there at the start. I thought something bad was about to happen to them in his retelling.
"As opposed to what?" best question ever
@thatguysaids lol i'm with ya dude. i've commented on that on a few atheist experience vids. her smile makes me smile.
Forced raped forever, and forced beaten slavery, and apologists make up excuses and won't answer if it's moral, ever. They fight at lengths not to answer a yes or no question. Always "well blah blah blah" or "look at that bird blah blah blah", Never will they answer... never, not even either "Yes" or "No"... refuse refuse refuse... over and over and over...so so sad. It makes me cry. How is this possible? How?
Mike can't hear the mike? HILARIOUS
Mike just plows through and talks and talks, it's annoying.
"If a man sells his daughter to be a slave, she shall not go free after six years as the male slaves do."
So it not only allows slavery, but discriminates against women.
22:00
Shit's about to go down.
Go Matt!!!
@TheAtheistExperience Alright, I'll do that.
Thanks for responding so quickly!
Traci is a great:)
i wish i could speak as much sense as matt dillahunty ... just amazing .. my favourite atheist :) !!!
I bet Mario really felt smart after that call.
Morality is about doing what's right, no matter what you're told.
Religion is about doing what you're told, no matter what's right.
For me, the problem with every discussion of free will that I have heard fails in one basic aspect - they fail to define what the "self' is. If you haven't clearly defined what YOU are, you can't very well figure out from the attributes of that whether free will is possible. I think it well may be - but not in a way that would satisfy some people. I begin by defining "me", as my current brain state, which is a complex combination of chemical, electrical, and biological elements acting together as a system. That is me. The me that I am was shaped through experience and genetics to be biased toward certain moral and personal preferences - some biases stronger than others.
So, for example, I like some Indian food, but I am a big fan of Chinese and Mexican food, so given a choice, the odds are that I usually will not choose Indian, but since it is not an extremely strong bias, some random firing in my brain or whatever will sometimes get me to choose it, or even something more rational such as having had Chinese and Mexican a lot, and wanting a change. And even then, that is just the interaction of two biases - a bias against always eating the same thing overcomes my bias against Indian food. All of this is unique to the biological system that is me. Therefore, that was a choice made by "me", and uninhibited by outside factors.
If we look at something where the bias is much stronger, like murder, it will take something extraordinary to overcome that bias in my brain and get me to do it. For example, if I knew for a fact that a Navy SEAL was determined to kill my child, and I cannot get any authority to accept this or do anything. I know that my ability to defend my child against a highly trained warrior like this is not likely to be sufficient in any fair fight. That's when the part of me that is biased in favor of protecting my child at all costs overrides my bias against murder, and I plant a bomb in his car or some other devious method of killing him. But everything that leads to that choice is an intrinsic part of ME and nothing else. So I would call that a type of free will.
However, I did not freely choose to make this comment so long - sorry :-)
I really think it's time for this show to go big. You have a much larger fanbase than most other public access show. I think you should start a fund raising initiative to try and get your show picked up by a major network like HBO or MSNBC. You could regularly invite well known Christian apologists, free thinkers and have a higher budget. Thumbs up if you'd help contribute to making this happen!
Awesome
not too sure where caller greg was going, his questioning seemed all over the place possibly looking for holes and finding none
"methodological naturalist"... I like that.
@SoulThriveMusic
I think it's a Naval anchor; Matt was in the Navy, and I recall him mentioning as much in another episode.
This has been another Dillahunty Pwnage!
I (heart) Tracie! :P
Looking at the start of the cloyne report and at its recommendation's it appears to say to me that since 1996 when the church said it would learn from it's mishandling of child abuse claims to the period of this report no progress was made it failed to implement a change that would protect the children in its care. The report then goes on to make recommendations for better file keeping, communication and action in a timely manner. In short I find the report lacks significance by itself.
@TheAtheistExperience you guys should fly over to London.
Exodus 21:20-21 is my favorite passage to shock believers in the Abrahamic god:
"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."
20:55-21:00 matt facepalmed.
@r0bbinz I can't post links to the study, but it was posted in Wired Magazine in April 2008. Researchers with brain scanners could predict someone's decisions a full 7 seconds before they even made their decision. Essentially, they were able to perform simple, small scale mind reading before the person even realized they had made a decision, because the brain decides the action, but you only realize it consciously when your brain integrates that into your conscious mind.
My dog is an atheist, but he is frightened when I test the smoke alarm.
He trembles. Does he think the alarm is a demon ? I've no way of knowing.
When I take him out walking, we often pass a church and he likes to sniff the grave stones.
But he's never shown any interest in the church itself, except to cock a leg at the grave stones.
That's what she said...
What is the tattoo on Matts arm? Just curious.
caller mike was cornered and shown his bible to be morally bankrupt lol
Don always got so many corrections. Hahaha. He’s the cohost sweetie.
Wow - Matt took down that jerk first caller virtuously by himself in much less time than the two hosts together took to just break even, debate-wise, in last week's episode - and that included the usually formidable Jeff Dees! Way to go, Matt!
@RedSun875 (My explanation, part three): And you also may be saying, "That would never happen to me. I could never do what those people did." That's exactly what those who have committed atrocities in the name of their religion thought (those who lived through the commission of their atrocities, that is). I look at wrong after wrong after wrong being perpetrated by people on their fellow man in the name of religion, and I can't come to any other conclusion than my original post.
Free will is the opposite of coercion, not of causality.
3?! OMFG! Unheard of!
thejournal(DOT)ie(SLASH)article-search(DOT)php?st=cloyne+report
Here you can find a number of news articles (from an Irish news site) about the cloyne report mentioned at the start of the show.
@RedSun875 (My explanation, part two): And it would be very easy to say, "Well, those were aberrations. Those people were crazy, and they perverted the true intentions of those religions." But you have to remember that no one joins a "cult." They join a religious movement, or a self-help group. They're upright and totally sane, most of them. But, very gradually, many of them shed their morals like a cast-off snakeskin and follow their leader, whom they believe is God's representative.
Indeed the main difference between a cult and religion is that simply by virtue of having a long history of widespread acceptance by a population a religion has been tacitly integrated into their culture - religion employs the same tactics as cults which is why many cults begin with a religious basis/tenets because religious people have already been primed to be submissive, subservient and have unquestioning obedience to a “higher power” .
Tracy looks like Victor from Corpse Bride
This 2nd to last caller should have been asked why he doesn't accept the New New Testament, otherwise known as the Qur'an.
@mellowmark1 thats an excellent point that I wish matt would have asked him.
its the same as when you corner a theist on "why would god do that" and they answer with things like "god works in mysterious ways" or "our puny minds cannot fathom his existance"
ok.....then how the hell do you know he's even there? Or that he's even a HE???
it all comes down to "how do you know?".
@perfectshot77 do you think boiling lamb in oil is evil? Or just tasty? If an alien invades Earth and starts rounding humans up 'to serve them' they wouldn't consider it evil, just like you don't consider it evil to eat pork.
It is subjective.
Love the show, hate the surrounding music. Could definitely do without that part of it.
@000phill000 I think he honestly thinks he can defeat Matt if he tries enough times, but he doesn't like getting stuck with the baggage of being proven wrong on other points so he needs a "fresh start".
I do understand it. I've read Dennett's book. I understood fully what he was trying to say. I happen to disagree.
Mario: calls an atheist to get advice on dealing with Jews. Classic!
Her name is on the screen for half of the show, and you still spelled it wrong. =)
Religion is a natural phenomenon.-- Daniel Dennett
not for much longer if you start thinking critically. by doing this you can abolish religion.
afterall: smallpoks where natural too but we got ridd of them by virtue of science.
Drinking high fructose corn syrup
Wow. Mike is deep in it. That is sad.
@PUMKINMANforever but this would mean that all of the hosts would have to quit their jobs, leave their families and loved ones for long periods of time etc.
Dont force anything on them if they dont want to.
@gulbirk Morality is objective- you being the object. The purely selfish perspective is the standard for morality. You know what is good and bad for you and, by extension, you know what is good and bad for everyone else. We all share the same fundamental needs and desires. Morality is about extending to others the same respect you have for yourself.
@r0bbinz I'd post a link but CZcams won't let you post links in full. After Wired.com, it's "/science/discoveries/news/2008/04/mind_decision"
How can people sincerely believe in something ( like a god ) that they knowingly have to resort to dishonest tactics in order to defend ? I myself couldn't convince myself of a belief I'd have to use dishonesty and deception when showing why I think it's true . So many people now a days are entirely lacking in integrity or even know what the word means . Especially people like mike who's core belief revolves around some religion .
@gulbirk
Basic moral behaviour exist in some groups of mamals (Great apes, some dolphin, elephants ...). There're set of moral behaviours widely shared in those species (mostly resulting of selective processes). In those case morality can be seen has objective.
Human cultural behaviour that tend to have deletarian effects on the well-being of some part or the totality of the group are generally not share specie wide, & thus could be seen has subjectives.
Read JP Changeux or Sam Harris books
He said no I'm an atheist.I was painting at a house one day when this happened.Well I didn't hassle him a whole lot.And later in the day I decided to show God's Love by buying him lunch I think I bought Wendy's.I'm not sure if it changed his character later but I think he felt good that day.I felt happy and that was a unique instance cause I will talk to anybody about God.Glad I was able to experience something like this.Hopefully he remembers that and thinks about God this my hope.
@Wordavee1 You seem to be equating 'person' with 'heterosexual male' which is an oddly narrow definition. While I fit in that cateogry, I still think you should include both genders and all orientations as 'person'.
My catholic ex chastised my drug use from my youth. I said "yeah, i may not be perfect but i do not support rape". she said she didnt, i said "you put money in the plate. some of which (small fraction) reaches relocation programs and legal fees, and buyout settlements. i am superior in this respect"
@lobothesacred3 It's not actually a study, per se. The information is public access statistical data collected by the Federal Bureau of Prisons and then compared to more standard census data collected regarding religious affiliation in the country. The one I was citing, incorrectly I might add, was something I saw on holysmoke dot o r g showing Hindu religions to be in the minority, which I mistakenly said was Buddhist. I will continue to research and post more links here as I find them.
Mike has to look at it again...
What is that tattoo of?
@TheIronWaffleMan Haha, glad to see I am not the only one doing the same.