The Atheist Experience 728 with Russell Glasser and Jeff Dee
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- The Atheist Experience 728 of September 25, 2011 with Russell Glasser and Jeff Dee.
Russell and Jeff in the self-described "awesome episode." One theist caller gets 20 minutes, while another gets summarily dumped after his opening statement. A new study shows that belief in God is linked with intuitive thinking, or to put it another way, preferring to choose the answer that sounds good over thinking carefully about what's probably correct.
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:49- Intro & Announcements - Russell Glasser
04:58- Jonathan (theist): you cannot define God, God is represented by infinity
19:53- Ryan: makes a book recommendation, asks the hosts' opinion about the supposed link between nihilistic atheism and communist regimes
23:38- Jason (atheist): got a mailer which makes claims about atheists
29:43- Frank: not caring if beliefs are true
38:39- Joe (atheist): according to the Bible, God attempted to keep people from the knowledge of good and evil, inconsistent theistic arguments
45:03- Joseph (theist): there is hubris in universal statements such as 'God does not exist', you do not always need to prove what you believe
48:29- Nick (atheist): theistic claims about objective morality
54:45- Ian: the reason for evil
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Caller: "you can call it whatever you want, I call it god."
Me: "OK, I call it nonsense."
Johnathan doesn't even know what's going on in his own head, which is why no one else does, either.
This is the most calm I’ve ever seen Jeff Dee. I love his brutal and justified rants.
Thanks for hanging up on Joseph.
most of my christian friends really do not want to debate...nor do they want to think...
Unfriendly them, instantly!
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Poor Jonathan. Endlessly trapped in fuzzy semantics.
I love the look on Jeff Dee's face when Joseph went off on his rambling monologue. Come back to AXP Jeff!
I asked Jeff if he would ever come back just the other day. He said that he doesn't see it happening anytime in the foreseeable future. I didn't want to press him on it any further but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. I think he's just kind of over it and moved on.
@T S No idea. He's a successful game designer so maybe he just wants to focus on his work in that field. That's just speculation, but as polarizing as atheist activism can be, I'm sure his career is better off without it.
~ The music at the beginning is a pleasant reminder of the song, Hello It's Me by the Nazz, 1968-69.
One more thing that is cool and interesting about this video in 2019. Thank you, Russell and Jeff. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
@MrAgentGreeny Thanks, glad to be here! I couldn't imagine being anywhere else.
I get so excited when you guys post new videos hahaha.
Woot woot to you making it out to Orlando. I came out to meet Russell and a few others when I went to Austin on my last trip there.
:That may well be but, it's not our problem." Lol Fucking hilarious.
great show lads, cheers from san diego
JEFF DEE! :D
This is my FAVORITE episode so far lol
the intro is so awesome it makes me cry.
46:30 My gosh, it's hubris to assert that there is no Easter Bunny!
Probably one of the funniest shows I have seen, it even ended with hilarity. :)
ur grandpa was a very wise man props good sir for sharing
Great show... as always.
The opening music makes me wish I was born unable to hear.
I love what you say at abou 36:00 sooo true, exactly what i wanted to hear from you guys, it makes me really happy :D
@ 41:00 regarding the mention of "obedience"....it's interesting to point out that "obedience" is the core doctrine of every totalitarian dictatorship one earth, past or present...North Korea being the current shining example.
I would never admit to being obedient to any being, human or not!
@MohawkMangopit This statement is so awesome, it left skid marks on my brain. :)
if that's how often you've been uploading them, clearly i've missed them the past few weeks.lol.
New episode. Yay!
So Jonathan believes something which he admits there's no evidence.... Really?
Armadyl they should of just called bullshit aa soon as he threw that out there
3:47 Oh Russell and his humor, well done.
I laughed at that too. Picturing two people crowded together on that loveseat.
Brilliant!
HOLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR! Epic intro as always!
I don't want to believe, I want to know.
~ Carl Sagan
"If there's a drought and you hope it rains, then it's logical to believe that it rained"
No. This is the point where Johnathan dissolves into utter nonsense and starts saying things that are blatantly false. He's talking about wishful thinking as if that makes anything real. Sorry, bub, that's completely wrong.
lol at the akward silence at the end.
Heh, I just noticed the "Russell's Teapot" shirt that Russell's wearing. Cool shirt.
@chicarbiomed Thanks for sharing. =)
I think you've hit the nail on the head. Many don't realize what they're defending.
Probably why I've noticed that the best way to end a debate, is to start quoting scripture.
Look at how they quickly helped direct that fella towards the dilemma. Good work guys
jonathan sounds confusing, there is no way for me to 'hope' something into existence no matter how hard i try! lol
Russell is wearing "Russell's Teapot"!!! hahaha
good show
LOL @ the caller "Joseph"
Jeff really put the hammer down on that guy. Ouch!
I got tired of listening to Jonathan. Did they ever just say "special pleading"? That's all it was.
Guy bored me senseless with his nonsensical blithering
19:51 "one can only hope" LOL
Throughout the episode, Russell keeps getting disappointed that he can't interject while the caller is talking, but in a different episode Matt mentioned that the caller can't hear the mikes when the caller is talking.
having it live and having all the funny parts where they mess up it, is so class haha, definitely keep it like that
Your Grandpa rocked!
I haven't seen this in a while.
as for the first caller, he reminded me of me just before my deconversion. one of the major hurtles in losing my belief was getting over faith in faith itself. the caller seems stuck on this point. he feels faith is still a virtue and he does this by equating it with hope. always hope for the best right? well, believers just have a natural hope that their faith isn't misplaced, therefore its natural for them to have faith, and that bases in hope means it cant be that bad... right?... right?.
@Lleanlleawrg I don't think there has been any new episodes for 2 weeks but i just listen to the podcast so i always get to listen to the show even if it isn't uploaded to youtube
"Most people" wanting an after life doesn't constitute a logic proof, or even a logical argument.
Karl Johanson I wouldn't even want to live a billion years even on Earth. It's a ghastly thought having to wake up 365 billion times.
Google is awesome, I googled "eutocro dilemma" and it said "did you mean: Euthyphro Dilimma". Oh, how I love you Google! You help me be a more educated atheist! :-D (yes all of this was before Russell spelled it out lol)
That last caller was both hilarious and logical :D
I like how Russell says "there is no way of knowing", like we look the same...
@MohawkMangopit So well put.
I didn't get the feeling that Jonathan was really even making an argument for the belief in a god.
He seems to recognize that he only has an emotional, irrational hope of avoiding death. I think he just figured that if he explained his reasoning to others, they may agree that his hopes are justified, when he himself knows that they really aren't.
He may call himself a theist, but I honestly don't see how he is. Or if he is, that he will be much longer.
As Mark Twain put it: "I was dead for millions of years before I was born and it never inconvenienced me a bit." To be honest, if you actually contemplate living forever, it is a fairly frightening idea. How soon do you get bored to the point of suicide? 10,000 yrs? 100,000 yrs? 1,000,000,000 yrs? And, since you are eternal, that billion years is just the start. Death may be the most merciful fate we can hope for.
@Ultra4 And that was my point. We don't have a world that is that educated, and even if we did, there would still be those who are educated enough to realize that they can gain power.
@TheAtheistExperience By all means I'm not whining or anything. I was simply responding to the statement that you uploaded weekly, which while this is generally speaking true, isn't neccesarily always the case. I'm very pleased that you wish to maintain this fan channel by uploading full episodes, and I think I speak for everyone when I say that. So don't take it as negative criticism. : >
@Uberlaser The second law of thermodynamics does not say that. Furthermore, it applies to closed physical systems. Eternal life is not only possible, its happening, in practice, right now. Immortal cell lines are used in research all the time, and one has been around for sixty-years.
"We don't do tests"
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS correct, and the terminology is important. And i agree, unfonded believs are better gone.
I'm always amazed at the intricate mental acrobatics that theists engage in to justify their position.
that one early caller has to be a bassist
@DarkDDexter I think you misunderstand - I am talking BIG SCALE here.
The universe (as far as we can tell) IS a closed system.
These immortal cells you speak of will eventually succumb to the concept of entropy, as indeed the entire planet Earth will.
@FreeThoughtCrime Indeed. Last time I witnessed acrobatics of that nature, I was watching Cirque de Soleil.
I get a headache whenever someone mentions Plantinga. His whole modal logic spiel boils down to "I can make shit up and hope really, really hard it's true, and thus it's probably true." Modal logic is pretty useless as a whole IMO, and even if it has a use, it's not for proving supernatural shit.
JEFF IS THE MAN
@maixck No,you are wrong. This is real example: My cat "Teazle" has been diagnosed with osteosarcoma (bone cancer) and i really hope she will be OK because she has been a wonderful little companion and is to young to have such a terrible disease, but i have been told she will not be OK by my vet, probably only has 1-2 years to live. I hope my vet is wrong. But it is illogical to believe she will live for another 10 years. i just hope she does.
uuh uhh..uuh you know...uhhh...you know... Russel: "Are you a professional public speaker of some sort?" loool
The problem with the story of the Fall, is that, even though it doesn't say it explicitly, what it really meant by knowledge of good and evil is sexual morality. That is why God knew there was a problem by them knowing they were naked. It was implicitly assumed by the writers that everyone knew the killing and stealing and disobeying God was wrong - they just didn't know how dirty their naughty bits were. With Judeo-Christians/Muslims it always comes back to the naughty bits.
Johnathan from Arlington is an intellectual poseur. He talks way above his understanding.
Hope is what all people do in Las Vegas.
All these people who want to argue endlessly and pointlessly in philosophy and/or semantics about belief in gods are wasting time. Either produce evidence that a real live god has ever existed, or forget it.
@InfectedInHD The problem isn't with any of what he said about it being unprovable, it was that he was saying that because it's unprovable, it's logical to believe in whatever you would like to exist, which isn't logical at all. You can hope for whatever you want, but there's still no good reason to assign characteristics to something you don't know anything about, regardless of what you hope.
World's most famous restaurant - El Arroyo
@LordSlag well, he's kind of right, there is stuff out there that we don't understand... thing is, that's mainly because we haven't observed it very well or been able to put it under a microscope yet... I say "just wait, science will prevail!"
Could you cut out the announcements at the beginning? Not really applicable three weeks after the fact.
@chicarbiomed Comments like that are always great to hear. Did you come to this conclusion yourself? Or did you argue with atheists in the past?
So, how long has it been? What were you before? Sorry. I'm curious.
For me, my transition from Roman Catholic to atheist took ~6 years. During that period, I went from agnostic to pantheist.
Going on ~14 yrs now. At this point, I think belief in the supernatural (let alone gods and religion) is just... primitive and silly.
People must awaken.
How to shut down a charlatan @47:25
Well fuckin' done man!
Awesome! Made my day to see that!
Thank you thank you thank you.
I love when Jeff is on. Sometimes Russell is too damn polite.
I think there was no option but to do what Jeff did brilliantly. He did not phone in to discuss - but to make a statement.
@wideosvatcher - it serves it's purpose. It's only a theme song.
Nooooo! Not Jonathan again.
@maixck Of course I understand your statement.
I just think that what you assert does not have any basis in reality.
Hope is wishing for what may be.
My beliefs are based on what I perceive to be true based on logic and evidence.
My reality is based on what IS, not what I wish it to be.
Can reality be changed?
Of course.
By doing, not wishing.
As my Grandpa used to say:
"Wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first."
Like I said Jeff is the man. Hanging up on Joseph was the right thing
@hellomoto170 Well all he was saying was that he hopes god exists, and believes. They kept asking "how do you know" and he kept saying "i don't" so it was all just a misunderstanding basically. They were trying too hard to argue with him because he said he's a theist.
@jrda128 The whole point is that people who believe in god(s) are only a single misunderstanding away from being a reasonable free-thinking person. And the people who phone in to the show often are wavering already and the discussions on the show will give them some understanding of logic and reason.
Does anyone know what happen to these 2 guys? Are they still part of the ACA ?
Jeff Dee left quite a few years ago. Russell Glasser left a few years ago. Not sure if he is still part of the ACA. Would love to see Jeff Dee back someday.
@MadMAn12gauge
Better might be a hard thing to push, since it would demand an overall improvement - you can do this to similar machines, much harder on humans. But you could say you're better in that area.
I still think the best way to go is to continue to challenge and educate. Maybe not the best, but at least it's the best we can do right now. Alas, moving to another planet and leaving this one to the religious is not yet an option.
energy cannot be created nor destroyed....also thermodynamics law of conservation?
"And I say, 'Hey would you answer these questions' and he'll say, 'Those are stupid questions.'" OMG Russell's been talking with my father!
LOL! What's Russell's issue with Lubbock?
Nothing, I mean NOTHING has eternal life.
Second law of thermodynamics.
No Jonathan I don't want to live forever.
lol i love these videos.... but not the music...
One question to that first guy.
If it cant be examined or known, why do you believe that it exists?
Every time a religious guy appeals to “incomprehensible God” my answer is “I don’t see the Emperor’s new clothes so they likely don’t exist and you’re a cheat or you fell for the mind trick”
First caller's logic: "it can't be proven wrong, therefore it's logical to believe it". Doesn't he realise this would apply to an infinite number of things, most of which would be contradictory and/or nonsensical?
I don't get this bat and ball problem. I would love for some one to make a video explaining it.
infinity (either being or non-being) cannot be created in as much as it would be an infinite and eternal act of creation, but even then that implies a time when infinity didn't exist, and that negates its definition of infinite - nothing bounded by the sudden existence of infinite something, can we expect a return to infinite nothing at some point? if there was always something, we have all we need for all this and "god" wouldn't be responsible for its inception.
skip to 5:00
@pvszrox1997 Jeffs shirt not Russels. I knew about the teapot though, thanks.
@Thetrooper14 The name of the song and the singer are in the credits at the end of the show.
there are 2 possibilities regarding infinity. 1. infinite being. 2. infinite non-being. infinity cannot be broken. therefore, the only feasible claim regarding god, existence, and infinity is that god must BE everything that exists (energy in different forms). only this way can it confirm its omnipresence. but omniscience cannot be confirmed, because WE believe and do not know. you can't know and believe, believing is born from not knowing. thus, omnipotence cannot be confirmed either.