The Atheist Experience 735 with Matt Dillahunty and Jen Peeples
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- The Atheist Experience 735 for November 13, 2011 with Matt Dillahunty and Jen Peeples.
Jen looks at some of the latest disinformation from the anti-vax movement.
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:42- Intro & Announcements - Matt Dillahunty
04:21- Jen Peeples on anti-vaccine disinformation
14:44- John (theist): claims he caught his son watching the show
18:44- Julian (atheist): debating spiritual people who use scientific terms, arguing with solipsists, justifying materialism
33:04- Roderick (prank caller): God condoned slavery so that people would know that it is wrong, God sent Jesus as a sacrifice to abolish His laws
40:15- Nick (atheist): asks if the hosts consider themselves nihilists, asks about transhumanism, asks if the Big Bang theory has been disproven, major atheist thinkers the hosts dislike
47:52- Rob: debating the Bible with atheists
56:26- R.J. (atheist): wants to figure out why African-Americans are so religious
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"I'm a thesis" XD
+Hawk Sandwich Please don't encourage prank callers. ::sad face::
XD even after he got corrected he said THESIST
The outrageous part is that I had no clue that guy was pranking. That tells you a lot about Christians.
The guy who called himself a thesis...I feel like the best response would have been "Masters or bachelor's?"
He was a prank caller.
Damian Freeman 3rd grade.
HEΛRTS OF SPΛCE prank or not, his logic was about as sound as every serious caller. They all call in with some argument, which they feel uses rationality to stump the host's rationality. Usually, you can tell that they feel that their argument is some profound epiphany, when really, it's been heard a million times, like Pascal's wager, attempts to reverse burden of proof, or arguing, "how do you know your rationality isn't fallible, without faith?". When these arguments fail they'll either be too confused to realize it, or they'll argue in circles for a bit. When they finally give up their argument, they either resort to, "I know, because the bible tells me so.", or, "I know, because I've had a personal revelation from god." That's literally how almost every Christian argument I've heard has ended, and I've watched way too many of these episodes. On the rare occasion that the host asks them what their personal revelation from god was, it
HEΛRTS OF SPΛCE (accidentally bumped the send button early)
Their personal revelation is usually something unremarkable. One I remember was a lady saying she didn't believe in god, but she was sick, and, in an act of desperation, turned to prayer. Then, over the course of several years, she got better. It's a miracle! Another caller said her personal sign from god happened when she was in her basement. She was moving a shelf, and a bible, which her mother or grandmother had given her, fell out from behind the shelf. She said it was a miracle and sign from god, because she has no idea what compelled her to move the shelf, and she hadn't seen that bible for many years.
Anyway, my point is, at least this prank caller gets straight to the point of saying, "It's in the bible, so it must be true."
He sounds no dumber than many of the callers who argue against evolution, or those who try to use the bits and pieces of the bible that they memorized specifically for the show, only to be stomped by Matt's bible knowledge
groomedtodie Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree with you 100%. I've brought up many of the points you have in my other posts. These people are crazy and none the wiser.
Is it bad that when Roderick said he had no kids, the first thought in my head was "thank the gods."
My grandpa died from an allergic reaction to a vaccine (back in the early 80s or mid 70s, before I was born) and not only that, I fall in the autism spectrum and have been vaccinated....so what? Vaccines have saved countless lives and there is no causation/correlation link to me being in the spectrum, as for my gramps? Well it sucks, I would really have liked to have known him, but it was an unfortunate-yet-rare occurrence. Being mad at a vaccines won't bring him back.
That's very sad. My Grandad died of cancer young, and I wished I could of got to know him better too.
Joe Cannabyte Sad to hear, but I'm happy to see that you are tational about the affair.
Joe Cannabyte That sucks hard... Vaccine allergy is really rare.
I'm allergic to penicillin, but I thankfully just get hives and itchyness. It's a huge bitch finding other antibiotics.
my 12 year old daughter is severely autistic. She doesn't speak or has never used the toilet. I do suspect the shots have something to do with it because I hear the same story over and over from other parents at her school as with her that she started developing at a normal age and even talking but everything stopped around 2 years old right after getting the shots you get as a young child. I suspect that maybe because it saves so many lives and enormous amount of lawsuits that would follow that maybe they hide it but I actually feel the same way as you when I think of all the people that do not die every year from getting them shots I guess you have to look at the greater good
"Nobody's that stupid."... careful, the theists might take that as a personal challenge.
"Nobody's that stupid."
...not a smart thing to say.
psikogeek I think the general rule is, when dealing in an area where you know there's going to be stupid people, just don't have any expectations. That way you won't be disappointed when people are even dumber than you expect.
Luna Smith Just wait till the theses hear.
@fragwits I can't hold my beer more than 15 minutes.
@@MrNateSPF You're clearly so stupid that you don't know how to spell "theist".
I don't know about you guys, but I love hearing a background laugh once in a while.
lol
I've heard the crew applaud when Matt or Jeff would tell someone off and hang up.
i mean yeah you barely laugh at all Kratos so its reasonable to think you'd like to hear laughter form other sources :D
~ Thanks to Jen & Matt! Eight years later, 2019, and this is quite relevant, especially now with the spate of measles outbreaks. Trolls and anti-vaxxers are still simply willfully ignorant! Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
Indeed. EDIT: So glad your middle name isn't "Avocado"! 🙂
the quality for the video is extremely satisfactory.
lmao at 34:02 "And did God answer you?" "Err err bu well I well not well ... no" What a suprise
Thank you for the Full Episode TheAtheistExperience that I ask long time ago.
We have years of statistics on certain diseases and their prevalence before and after the availability of vaccination and I think that speaks for itself.
Sorry, as a confirmed Catholic, I can tell you that it is the parent's decision. I went through the motions, and answered all the priest's questions as I had been taught to, and never questioned that I should succeed in being confirmed because my parents wanted that. The church makes a pretense of caring about whether your acceptance is your own choice, but it is bullshit.
Pat Doyle He's not talking about Catholicism.
I type this in 2024, but it’s just as valid. As a confirmed Spanish Catholic who left religion right after confirmation, I can tell that in our schools all the students that reached the age of 14 were confirmed to follow the customs. No need for interrogations or parent’s permission. Of course, that happened in 1975, the last year of Franco’s dictatorship, and only those that really wish to be confirmed do so these days.
Freshly squeezed from the D -Weasel! LOL LOL LOL! Too funny! LOVE IT.
I went through the same thing here as Jen, only here we call em Anglicans not Episcopalians. I have to say that at 12 if you are a cultural christian you just go along with what Mom or Nan expects of you. You are never told there's any other options, they don't even agree with different denominations let alone different religions. No Religion? NO WAY NO HOW.
that's free range vitamin D
In other words: "It is too bothersome for me to back up my own arguments, so please spend time doing it for me, based on my vague keywords, but remember that since I didn't cite any specifics, I am allowed to deny everything you say if it makes me look bad."
That prank call was hilarious.
When I read the headline I first thought that it was about women refusing to wax their legs or something, wax in my language is vax.
Hahaha, Jennifer's just sitting in her chair trying not to laugh throughout most of Roderick's call.
I love when she tries not to laugh, it's too cute.
Hahaha the elusive Deeweavel (14:26) for your vitamin D dosage, good stuff Matt :D
Around 29:40 I would have pointed out that there's no such thing as 'violation' of Occam's Razor. It's a probabilistic tool, not even a descriptive one. Occam's Razor isn't a law of anything, it simply states that the most elegant and naturally uncomplicated (often erroneously changed to 'simple') hypothesis to explain something is generally worth examination first, as it has the best chance of containing some portion of the truth or at least will provide the greatest quantity of useful data for updating the potential answer space if it turns out to be entirely false.
Occam's Razor is a tool for promoting untested hypothesis on the basis of possibility drawn from prior knowledge and evidence, it has absolutely no ruling power over whether a known quantity is or is not 'in line' with it. So yeah, Occam's Razor is a tool that you can either use or not use, but you can't 'violate' it as if it was a law.
remember when youtube comment replies were posted as separate comments instead of as comments stringed as subcomments? this comment section does
Jen holding in a laugh at about 37:00 is soooooo funny !!
Wow they handled that last one-minute call expertly!
"It don't care" - Matt Dillahunty. I love you guys! Thank you much for your show
Although I have never believed in a god I have been forced to go through a church system. Including certain ceremonies such as the confirmation which my family decided for me. I went to classes but never met with a priest that judged 'whether I would truly commit to the faith' or not. Rather, they just accepted anyone (everyone) in the class who could remember what was taught and their lines during the ceremony. I, personally, never submitted to this. Rather, it was a choice forced upon me which I continuously tried to get out of, up until the point of the actual ceremony. My family was aware that I never held their beliefs, that I've disagreed with them since they were introduced to me and often disputed them with other religions I would read about, and tried to force me on the path of their religion anyway.
So there are some situations where it is 'the choice of the parent'.
Oh my, that guy from Shreveport was HILARIOUS.
Jen's face is a picture during that call at 34:52. So funny! :)
Roderick: I'm a thesis.
Me: So whats your statement?
around the 28 min mark, jimmy carr summed it up extremely well with something like 'why cant jesus find me? he's omniscient, im on telly how hard can it be?'
35:04 omg roflcopter fucking epic, the laugh was awesome
The sincere laugh at 35:04 ... priceless!
I lol'd at the FSM!
36:00 Jen's expressions are priceless!!
@Discipol I concur.
34:00
Roderick: I'm here to make a case for god.
Mat: Did you pray before calling?
HAHAHA lol
18:30 Julian - anti-theist vs selective, subjective solipsists
33:03 Roderick. Christian "thesist" - God gave rules so we'd figure out which ones were right. Plus Jesus changed...um...some. Prank. Matt explodes.
40:15 Nick - Atheist = Nihilist? Trans-humanism. Etc.
47:50 Rob Debate topics he'd prefer; Christian ignorance of weaknesses of the Bible
56:25 RJ - African-American Atheist thesis topic
I like how at the end of quite a few shows Matt or someone else is like "Okay, we have time for one more caller, now be quick about it" Caller responds with "Got it, I just have a quick question. But... btw (rambles away what time is left spouting inconsequential information) and here's my question (as the credits are nearly over)"
36:14 look at Jen hold back the laughter lmao
When Roderick was talking, Jen looked like she was going to burst! xD
I can't stop laughing at the "They go out and they trap the vitamin D animal..." bit...
@rhubis right, the only thing you learn from correlation, is that there MAY be some common factor influencing both variables. In the case of the iron production and birth rates they were probably both affected by global economic changes.
lol i laughed so much on the first call
@SwineNahNah I read the entire "post-eradication" section and saw no mention of smallpox reappearing. Stockpiles of the virus exist and there have been accidental infections..as the section mentions, but this is not smallpox reappearing. I am genuinely curious about this subject, perhaps you could cite the text from that site you are referring to? Thanks.
Thing is it's difficult to tell the prank callers from the genuine christian fundies, as however outlandish the panksters try to be, the christian fundies are often genuinely worse.
@PhotoShopChannel Did you not see the video? The second prank caller calls himself a "thesit" instead of "theist"
Yes i would agree, "write a book Matt!"
@SwineNahNah could you cite your source for "smallpox, once believed to be eliminated, also is reappearing."
"Poe's Law is an axiom suggesting that it's difficult, if not impossible, to distinguish between parodies of religious or other fundamentalism and its genuine proponents, since they both seem equally insane."
@vegetta00 The point is is that example disconfirms your claim that words alone do not force others. They are cases in which they do.
Giving people choices doesn't always they will take the correct choice!
I am stealing this line!!! - 38:35
So I'm wondering what your point is in all of this. Are you saying anyone with any sort of genetic disease shouldn't be allowed to reproduce?
I don't think there are a lot of twelve-year-olds who are allowed to decide WHETHER they're going to get confirmed. Some of them probably just go along with it. Most are brainwashed into thinking it's a good idea.
It's just assumed it will be done.
I went to a Catholic school but wasn't religious. I opposed to doing my confirmation and I was told that it was mandatory. So much for choice. xP
Confirmation can be good. It might expose the completely crazy beliefs of the religion you're indoctrinated in. Though it's probably more often harmful.
Sometimes I laugh harder watching this show than I do when I watch my favorite comedians. I know that some of these people might be prank callers, but I know people who actually think like these fake, or maybe real, fundies. There's really no way to tell if they're faking because of the actual idiots who think this way. And there are so many of them..
May I just say that if these "spiritual" people are telling you that reason is subjective and can't be trusted... How do you think they came to this conclusion? They used reason. It's like putting a hole in your own boat. Or cutting off the branch you're sitting on.
Is that FSM I see in the center of the table?
So, we hear from "Mark from Austin Stone" again. Nice try John.
rob from from atlanta was really "mark from austin stone church"
Evidence of insulin causing diabetes mellitus is...what now?
Seems kind of chronologically erroneous, when the usage of insulin came AFTER diabetes mellitus was a thing...
So the one I didn't think was a prank call gets cut off. The call I knew was a prank call got a long time... hmm.
LLL: Long Live Logic
LOL I went through the "I can only prove I exist" phase but came to the conclusion that Matt did; I doesn't matter, I still have to act at every moment that there is an objective reality so why not just go with it?
do they not have the advertising standards agency in the US. This would be banned advert in the UK.
@JuanchoMan "Mark" has a very distinct voice/speech pattern that always give him away no matter what alias he uses. To me Rob sounds nothing like him - John from Costa Mesa, the first caller, however, i'm 99% sure is "Mark" and it seems Matt suspects so as well :)
@SwineNahNah Thank you for your reply.
With all these unanswered prayers god must have a massive voicemail inbox
He just hits deity-lete.
@Zentz29 Whether or not people are held accountable for their speech is irrelevant to this discussion. I never claimed people aren`t held accountable. I said they shouldnt be held accountable. You are ultimately responsible for yourself. You are responsible for your emotions/feelings and how you react to or deal with them. Even if someone evokes emotions from you, even if they present you with false information it is your choice how you react and what you believe and investigate as a result.
Somebody please take John Edward's 'Biggest Douch in the Universe' and award it to Roderick from Shreveport, LA. NOW.
I was born in Dusseldorf, and that is why they call me Rolf.
@Ravinian
Look on Wiki "smallpox" > "Post-eradication". I haven't checked Wiki's sources if that's what you're asking.
What I surely know, my PCs are running smallpox research among other things on the grid computing project I'm participating.
Show starts at 4:20
First call at 14:45
Thumbs up for time saving.
No thumb ups in SEVEN YEARS? Well, here's one 👍
matt pronounced düsseldorf pretty good, i am impressed.
@xxFortunadoxx Actually, that example does not disconfirm my claim. For it is possible though undesirable and unlikely for an individual NOT to obey despite the threat of and use of violence against them. That being said, we can understand and empathize with individuals who are coerced with violence into committing violence. A threat of violence is not 'words alone' for the will to use that violence is presented in the words and thus creates a violent, amoral situation/environment.
Self Flagellation is a component of many religions. The Solipsist would probably just think that they are strengthening their 'faith'/ belief through pain.
@kotoroshinoto A good example is US pig iron production and UK birth rates between 1875-1920, the two correlated almost perfectly with a coefficient of -0.98. Did this mean that the pig iron production in the UK was actually doing something to the US birth rates? No.
@LavLTC Once a year. Primarily given to the elderly and children. Those in the healthcare industry are 'strongly' encouraged to get them. For most others, it's voluntary. But at least in the midwest, it's one time per year and the strain given is based off of what other countries are experiencing. I believe the US looks at what Japan experiences and engineers the flu shot accordingly.
LOL infected lollypops wow! Does this not remind anyone of that South Park episode where the kids gave their parents herpes?
@Second Caller
"violation of ockham's razor"
Occam's Razor is a general guideline, not a rule. Misapplying it and does not make you look smart.
About the First Amendment...
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
It only applies to the government making laws against these things. It has nothing to do with someone calling you an idiot for saying idiotic things.
I was under the impression that almonds were notable for cyanide content, not arsenic.
True that the preservatives, at those levels are virtually harmless. Though some are now saying that vaccines can cause an immune over-reaction in some cases, especially if multiple vaccines are taken in a short time frame.
@vegetta00 during the London riots back in August, two teenagers started Facebook groups telling people to gaher at a time and place to go and loot and destroy as a group. Nobody showed up, those two boys got 4 years behind bars.
@Zentz29 I`m not familiar with the facts surrounding the Manson case.
@vegetta00 "It is not logical to hold one responsible for the actions of another"
Charles Manson should not be in jail?
Some day people will look back at this time in history with regret and disgust hopefully.
Well sure it's genetic, but having a child with an autoimmune disease that's genetic doesn't ensure passing on that disease. For instance, my family on my father's side has a history of diabetes type 1, but I don't have it. Insulin allows those who suffer from Type 1 diabetes to live more comfortable lives. so I must ask...what's the problem?
@chrisx2k6 where do you get your information on racial dif on a mental level?
I don't hear about Flu shots in Denmark much, do they talk about some super flu or old people?
@JesterAzazel That's the problem with arguing with theists, you can completely destroy them in the argument but at the end of it they pull the "It was Magic"/"We can't understand God"/"I just know he exists because I feel it" card to which there's no real way to argue against.
Wakefield, yes. He was stricken from the record in the UK; basically lost his license to practice medicine.
@Arkesus So? What do laws imposed by a few people in power have to do with philosophy? I hold the position that those 2 individuals should NOT have been met with violence (arrest/prison) for posting whatever on facebook. In fact, what does that have to do with anything? I never said that you couldn`t get in trouble for speaking/writing. I said that responsibility lies on those who take action.
@juuonse I've been doing that at least a dozen times throughout each show, lately. They're really becoming painful.
I don't think the second caller took a breath.
45:00
What's the name Matt mentions at 45:00?
"...Except for maybe ???"
Can anyone please tell me?
Thanks in advance.
Dennet, Daniel Dennet :p sorry it took so long for someone to get to ya!
I love Jen's face when Matt says "Godless Bitches." She's like ''yeah, we bad.''
Wow...he made the laws so people would know the things the laws say are wrong? I admit, I've never heard that particular argument before. I had to listen twice before I could believe it.
If I ever go on a vaccation from Sweden to the US... Visiting these guys is definitely on the list of 'to-do'! It would be like going to the zoo for me, since we don't have alot of religious people running around over here :)
I have to disagree with Jen about confirmation. I was confirmed as a Catholic at 12, as were all my Catholic friends - it was not really our decision, and I never saw a priest decide any kid was not ready. It is just one more religious ritual you are forced to go through. You are told it's your choice, but I would love to see what happens to the kid who says no. Don't kid yourself, maybe YOU had a choice, but for the most part the idea that it is a free choice is just another religious lie.
@Zentz29 Did the person who told someone else to commit murder play a part in someone`s demise? Yes. But if they themselves did not take direct action against that person and were not willing to commit the murder themselves then that person is ultimately harmless and I cannot justify taking action against them. Of course I would shun them and inform others to encourage them to do the same.
- I am a thesis christian
- Spell it
- T-A-T-I-S-E-T
- Theist?
- Yes
- What does that mean?
- That i believe in God
- Do you think there are christians who aren't theists?
- There are some christians that are thesis.
I didn't get chickenpox until I was 31 (in 2004). It was the week of New Years. Fortunately, I got over it in 5 days even while continuing to work. I'm pretty sure I got it from equipment (computer) handled by a customer.