The Atheist Experience 739 with Matt Dillahunty and Martin Wagner
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- The Atheist Experience 739 for December 11, 2011 with Matt Dillahunty and Martin Wagner take viewer calls.
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:35- Intro & Announcements - Matt Dillahunty
6:24- William (atheist): claims to be a devout atheist, suffering discrimination for atheism
16:23- Mike: asks about episode 714 and theistic efforts to ban abortion
24:17- Joe (atheist): atheists taking things on faith
31:28- Don (caller from previous week): are some theological arguments more reasonable than others, the kalam cosmological argument
51:40- Jorge (atheist): how to approach members of the LDS church
57:19- Tyler: have aliens visited the earth?
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"He's really good at lying to his dad" lmao matt.
I just love that you guys know your opponent's arguments better than they do.
Cheers!
On my marathon to watch every episode of Matt Dillahunty!
On my marathon to watch every episode of AXP.
Thanks for the great show, it's sometimes entertaining but also educative to listen to. These guys have done their research! :)
Thanks for the upload guys. Long live atheist experience tv show!
Thanks for this and thanks for allowing comments !!!
"That scary, tingling feeling between [your] ears. That's called 'Thinking'"-Martin Wagner
Wow, what a great episode... Matt as always but this is the first show I've seen with Mark...he's fantastic!
this definitely should get more views !
'Before the big bang' is a bit like saying 'Walk to the North Pole, and when you get there walk another couple of miles north'.
"You ready, Martin? We're gonna shotgun these calls!" LOL!
nice summary for the last caller there, ha.
"If you want to know about religion just ask an atheist." Sadly that quote is quite true. I enjoy your show quite a bit and hope you'll continue for a long time.
In a study that was conducted by the University of Chicago, a link was found between non-religious upbringing and kindness. In fact, children who were raised without religion were not only kinder but also showed more empathy towards others. While most would believe that religion and a higher power breeds a better upbringing, this study seems to indicate otherwise. Led by Professor Jean Decety looked into the perceptions and behavior of various children located in six different countries. They looked into the children’s likeliness to share, as well as their habits regarding judging others or punishing them for bad behavior. “Overall, our findings … contradict the commonsense and popular assumption that children from religious households are more altruistic and kind towards others,” “More generally, they call into question whether religion is vital for moral development, supporting the idea that secularization of moral discourse will not reduce human kindness - in fact, it will do just the opposite
Caller Don has a spaghetti bowl of various religious dogmas running around his brain. Only the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Pasta be upon Him) can save him.
Um, not the most relevant comment, but I didn't even recognize Martin with his beard. Looks good!
I was actually thinking that Martin was rocking the beard.
Looks like he lost a little weight too.
so depressed about hitchens, my favorite debater. still happy to know harris dawkins fry, and atheist experience are still going strong
hey. ty for uploading this show. i live in maine and im addicted lol. go go freedom to think.
Awesome first caller
To Don from Houston: A god that can not change is inert and can not create. It can not reason. It can not think.
Great look Martin!
Happy Nonspecific Winter Celebration Time Period, to everyone at the Atheist Experience!
"He just wanted a discussion."
No, he just wanted to waffle. If he wanted a discussion he would have come armed with knowledge, not half remembered conjecture from an argument we know has already been refuted.
i see christmas as a holiday in which you can enjoy your family and buy friends and family presents to show how much you appreciate them. that is it =]
I did not recognize Wagner here. Great improvement, sir!
Same story as first caller. Great caller
Matt with a Star Trek costume and his Ewok friend.
😂
Holy Shit, I thought there was a new addition to TAE at first, then I realized it was Martin LOL
I'm going to have to quote you from now on Matt :-)
"Faith is a divide by zero error!"
7:50
de·vout/diˈvout/
Adjective:
1 Having or showing deep religious feeling or commitment.
2 Totally committed to a cause or belief.
Matt's chewing tobacco and spitting in the silver cup. LMAO
56:35 best line ever: "Ah! Suddenly reason has occupied my brain."
There is more pressure put on the women to do birth control there is less pressure on men to force them into taking responsibility too. Merely using a condom is not sufficient they can break or leak. What I propose if the men should have a vasectomy until such time as the couple really wants to have children. Then when you are ready to have children have a reversal of the vasectomy and in turn have the number of children you want then have another vasectomy and do your part to keep from getting a women pregnant. A lot of unnecessary births can be avoided and yes this is what I did. We have two children, one girl, one boy.
Penn Jilett(mid in his teens) got uninvited from Sunday school too.
On the issue of personal experience, I would suggest a video by the CZcams user KnownNoMore called "Against Religious Experience (Why Religious Apologists Cannot Possibly Win- part 3)." It is an excellent discussion of the topic. 祝你們生活順心.
@Erholts Could someone explain to me the logic of this reasoning because I can't see it. The whole argument is actually just a stepping stones of jumping to conclusions that has no relevance at all and making the argument ass complicated as possible so that no one actually understands it. I really would like to know where I can find this argument and who claims that this proves anything?
First caller sounds remarkebly like myself, good on him!
XMass doesn't mean a secular version of the holiday. It's amazing how many people don't know this.
I was kicked out of sunday school when I was about 10 years old because I said some things didn't make sense that they were teaching us. Nothing proves that they are wrong more than their willingness to kick out anyone who questions anything.
love the last 2 second
Lot's of callers! Awesome makes me more likely to actually give a call-in! Thanks again for an awesome show and good to see Martin again!
Brining Philosophy to questions of Scientific Fact is even less effective than bringing a toothpick to a Tank Battle.
@TFR2087 Actually starts at 1:20 if you want to hear the good discussion of christmas/holidays..
@JuzBecause I watch every episode every week that it is actually on, but the fun is the responses to the characters that call in...they have some pretty funny people calling in every week.
Hey Matt, how did you get Varg Vikernes as your co-host?
To anyone who is curious,
The reason the first cause must necessarily be a 'being' ( at least according to the kalam cosmological argument) is because a non-being first cause would be subject to infinite regression where as a being could "choose" to create. But this just shows one of the many flaws in the argument as a being "choosing" to create contradicts it's changeless/timeless nature, which it must necessarily have to exist before space-time.
I was walking to work in San Francisco and I swear i saw Matt Dillahunty arguing with one of those crazy people who hold a giant sign and a megaphone telling people they are going to hell while he was waiting in line for the trolley. I wanted to hug him but I wasn't sure it was him. In retrospect I should have done it anyways.
@southmcl Thank you! =D
@BeekersSqueakers In order for this being to be both a creator and timeless/changeless one must conclude that said being is and always has been creating which means that whatever is being created (the universe) must have always been created making it eternal along side the creator, and thus defeating the entire premise of the argument. That doesn't even begin to delve into how non-physical beings can, not only exist, but manipulate physical reality.
Merry Xmas :D
@theatheistexperience Not all science journals are public, or necessarily readily available. When I was looking for some papers on the physiology of dreaming, some of the journals required some kind of membership. The Lancet, for example, requires membership, which in their case was free. I would often find just the abstracts were public, and the rest only available to students or teachers.
Don't get me wrong, I respect Martin, but he interrupts callers (and his co-hosts) quite often with unnecessary and sometimes inaudible comments that add nothing to the conversation. Don Baker and Tracie Harris are guilty of doing the same thing. Matt is the star of this show for good reason. Not only does Matt make the most articulate arguments, he's also good at listening and his interruptions are perfectly timed.
@t4705mb6 It was a serious question. "Matt has a very very difficult time handling being wrong." Can you point to examples of this?
Wow, that was frustrating.
new Atheist experience...looks like I'm gonna lose sleep tonight
ah, you're right, I got carried away :-)
i had a talking to after reciting the sermon backwards
Kurt Cameron was preaching to hit cohosts when he was on tv as a kid, he was never a "devout" atheist at anytime that he had the ability to make his own decisions about things.
Also, lots of awesome food.
11:32 ish
I was in the Military.
To this day instead of saying the Pledge of Alligence I recite my Oath as a Soldier...an Oath many of my fellow soldiers signed on thier contracts and moved on without thinking about to hard I think. Personaly, I beleive it should replace teh Pldge all together...
"I swear to protect the Constitution against all threats both foreign and domestic"
Woah... dat Martin. I didn't recognise him until I read the name displayed under him.
@Rationalific you could fit another 10 calls into the show if people would get to the point quicker like matt does with the last calls.
@rhyfelur Oh, sorry, were you asking the reason they do it or the origins of it?
GOOD SIR! I like the beard!
@AtheistOnTheEdge ,
Hm that's an interesting take. (a) I think Matt and Martin were the ones pushing for an actual argument instead of talking about manners; (b) Matt and Martin said clearly, several different ways, that the points and conclusions of the Kalam argument (and the arguments of the caller) were unfounded. ("how do you get a conscious being?", etc).
Matt is the man!
Martin Wagner and Dennis Loubet sound exactly the same!
They didn't address the equivocation fallacy and intuition of the kalam argument
Yep. That's me.
guys, does anyone know what Martin whispered at 48:10 ?
martin looks strung out lol
@48:10 did martin say "dumbass" under his breath?
Calls begin at 6:23
@finalcloud13
Martin look really different. Did he loose weight too?
Either all days are holy or none are.
Hard to answer a question if you don't have a lig anwser, especially if you can't simply say "Gee, I don't know.
What are the reasons behind people "speaking in tongue" and passing out after one "feels the spirit of god" in them.?????I haven't really been able to find information about it
I asked "why did god make dinosaurs, and why does nobody in church ever talk about them?" and my visits to catholic school came to an abrupt end
6:25 for callers
Use the word Jul. We do in Scandinavia.
scruff looks good martin!
The one thing all my army buddies tell me is that "in the army, we defend freedom and liberty, not practice it."
@GumbaMasta You're right! He looks so different!
I'd love to see Matt debate William Lane Craig..
Does church of flying spaghetti monster exist in US and are they rax exempt?
@Rebelbutthole
You think there won't be any big questions after that? That's called moving the goal post/ god of the gaps.
Re the Kalam, and Martins point about "beginning to exist". I think WLC craig says that anything purely mechanical (as opposed to something conscious, which he thinks is not mechanical) can not have been the cause of the universe as anything mechanical could not have acted after an infinite amount of time. So therefore the cause was conscious. This assumes some kind of time before the big bang, and that our universe has not happened an infinite number of times already. So maybe I misunderstood.
@dave4shmups "Correcting" someone by saying that their statement doesn't match an ancient document is not peer review. It's not even fact-checking. It's just ensuring a kind of consistency.
If it is conscious it can't be changeless, because a changeless mind doesn't work... Also a mind with desires that exists forever does not work either. Minds only work within time since information has to pass, and thus time only allows information to pass through the mind. So it can't be timeless, it can't be changeless, and it has desires (creating the universe). That means If it is at least infinite - creating requires a point in time and why this and not any time before or after...
Did you read that back before you posted? If I watch a TV program about a political belief, am I necessarily agreeing with all the arguments or beliefs presented? Would I be worshipping that party/politician/political creed?
Your justification of religion boils down to an argument that not all religious people are bad - which almost every atheist would agree with. The fact that some good is done by religious people, or that religion's aren't all bad, is not the same as religion is not bad.
Saying : "the universe is finite" is a statement of belief. We have a perception of a finite part of the universe (because regarding to our models, for instance, we can't observe beyond the constant of Planck, but we don't know about the universe as "everything that exists". We don't know if there is a time 0. We don't know if there was or not, a singularity beyond witch our universe contracted before expanding in what we call the big bang. We simply don't know.
is that Paul Giamotti?
Hm. I'm a bit surprised Matt hadn't heard of WLC's extrapolations from the conclusion that the universe had a cause to his identification of what that cause would be. Considering that they've done episodes on Kalam, I would expect them to be familiar with those extrapolations to identifying the cause as a changeless disembodied mind of immense power.
The process Craig takes to get there is just incredibly stupid, but he wraps it up in such verbosity that it gives the appearance of soundness.
sure, he 'existed' in minds.
but not outside of them,
i agree about the turture.
If there is no such thing as trolls, then how do you explain all the dead unicorns?
Colorado, fuck yeah!
What's wrong with just saying "I'm an Atheist"?
@xebek LOL. I kind of like this idea of the Devil trying to torture Hitchens, who just responds by intellectually and boldy debating his way out of it. Who could fear the Devil over Hitchens...
First caller 06:25 thumbs up for time saving.
THAT'S MARTIN!?