The Atheist Experience 714 with Matt Dillahunty and Don Baker.
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- The Atheist Experience 714 of June 19, 2011 with Matt Dillahunty and Don Baker.
Don explores how Dan Patrick's actions don't match up against his stated beliefs. Dan Patrick (born Daniel Scott Goeb, 4 April 1950 in Baltimore, Maryland) is a Texas State Senator, broadcaster, author, film producer and conservative radio talk show host on KSEV 700 AM in Houston and on KVCE 1160 AM in Dallas.
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:46- Intro & Announcements - Matt Dillahunty
04:40- Don Baker on Dan Patrick’s confusing beliefs
17:54- Charles (atheist): why do Christians claim people need to be forgiven, the difference between religions and cults
24:29- Anthony (atheist): the Family International, a religion which isolates members from society
34:02- Jesus (theist, possible prank caller): wants to know why the hosts are spreading atheism around, thinks atheism is a cult
37:56- Kyle: abortion challenges heading to the Supreme Court, asks what Church leaders say about divorce
43:08- TruthHurts (Charlie from episode 710, 712 and 713): asks if the hosts oppose gay incest and polygamy, opposes gay marriage
54:11- Lou (atheist): teen drinking leading to pregnancy, Christians failing to address teen drinking
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17:54- Charles (atheist): why do Christians claim people need to be forgiven, the difference between religions and cults
24:29- Anthony (atheist): the Family International, a religion which isolates members from society
34:02- Jesus (theist, possible prank caller): wants to know why the hosts are spreading atheism around, thinks atheism is a cult
37:56- Kyle: abortion challenges heading to the Supreme Court, asks what Church leaders say about divorce
43:08- TruthHurts (Charlie from episode 710, 712 and 713): asks if the hosts oppose gay incest and polygamy, opposes gay marriage
54:11- Lou (atheist): teen drinking leading to pregnancy, Christians failing to address teen drinking
"When we allowed interracial couples to marry, we allowed them to MARRY. We did make them pick a new word for it. We didn't make them "civil partners". We said: "Hey, we've been denying a right here that you should've had the whole time and we're gonna correct that and we're going to redefine things in order to allow it."
And when we did that, we didn't have this cavalcade of "people marrying sheep" or anything absurd like that!"
"Oh my gosh! Are you a complete idiot!!"
I platonically love you, Matt
As a woman who was raped and became pregnant due to it, I feel any restriction on available abortion would have led me to having to carry a baby forced upon me. I have two healthy happy adult children that I chose to have.
a woman I was dating was raped by a cops nephew and I believe she made the decision to have the baby and it looks just like him. I don't know how she was able to do that. we stopped talking cause she never could able to cope with anything moving forward. I think its partly religion why she had it
I said to my friend once that so many passages in the bible have a malicious tone, but he suggested I was looking at them all wrong and they had a different meaning. So I asked, if the bible was supposed to be so important with its message, why is its meaning so cryptic. Shouldn't it have been written then in all the future languages as clear and concise as possible to avoid any misunderstandings the many people of the world would have? So that no one could argue its meaning. I left him speechless.
Good one. And that's precisely the case. An omniscient and omnipotent god would have the perfect message with perfect clarity in the perfect language that would perfectly penetrate every heart, and we would most certainly not have this cryptic, controversial and laughably immoral and ignorant book on our hands that would eventually create thousands of different denominations due to radically different interpretations... derp.
hmmm... lets play a game
I'm often cryptic
I'm controversial
I'm ignorant
I can be Immoral but you should still love me.
What am I?
A Human.
Philly Fly Guy Your point?
Im glad you guys can post your full episodes on this youtube channel. makes them easy to watch thanks
"Do you have any idea who you're talking to?" LOVE IT!
Keep up the awesome work, all of you @ ACA.
Can't believe you've done 714 shows, and they're all gems! Keep 'em up you guys :)
I'm so glad this show exists. i watch it everytime :)
TruthHurts? More like BrainHurts! *drops mic and walks away*
+Andrew Curley HOLY FUC, how dumb is that guy D:
+Andrew Curley Pa ha ha ha ha! Good one.
Love Don. ‘Obviously he cant handle a uterus or god would have given him one’ 😂👌🏼
Matts facedesk around 48.23 is one of the best stuff in this video!
Good to hear Jesus is still hammering away in his carpentry business at the start of his call. Always have a trade to fall back on.
Roj H 🤣🤣😂😂👍👌
It's in the video description above. Click show more. The song is 'Listen To Reason' by Bryan Steeks , /bryansteeksma You can't post full links in the comments. :)
"It says in the bible that men are stronger than women in the bible and men ARE stronger than women, so that proves the bible is fact"
Harry Potter has clouds in the sky and there really are clouds in the sky therefore Harry Potter is true.
It's sad that basic observations that any person could make, pre-science, is somehow revelatory enough for them to be amazed and think that the bible is prophetic and "infallible." Oh look, the bible talks about the sun and guess what... there's a sun! zomg god is real checkmate atheists.
Larry Berry
Well all i know is that women are crazyer (bat shit) than men.
Another powerful 'proof' of the truth of the bible and the bible being far ahead of science was offered to me, a few weeks ago: the theory of relativity was mentioned in the bible, according to a very confident Christian: 2 Peter 3:8, I kid you not. He seemed to look a bit down on me as he surmised that I needed to look it up...
@@cjalisyas Nope.
Women are rational enough to stay away from YOU.
@@douglasthomashayden2566 no no no, i have not won an argument with my bat shit crazy woman since 1996, and not for the lack of common sense, and also i have not been correct about anything at all, although i am.
I live in a very religious town. So, to me, watching this show is the only time I get to hear fellow atheists. It is hard growing up where everyone is religious, even in public school I've had several teachers preaching during class. This show is the only hour of my week where I don't have to hide my atheism and where I don't feel alone.
An excellent episode!
You guys are awesome!
Great show! Thanks for posting.
That wasn't a faulty analogy fallacy. It was a contradiction misconception!
+Bergzore you forgot to put fallacy at the end.
No it wasn't.
Once again, ASTONISHING amount of patience with that guy.
You've waited 9 years and no like lol, wait no more
Best line of the show
"you can explain how its a faulty analogy but stop using fallacy because you sound dumber" @50:01 Matt does a facepalm. EPIC!
I love those full episodes :)
This guy who calls himself "Truth Hurts" calls all the time, using big words and terms he doesn't understand, and makes himself look more stupid. I love it.
Loool @ truthhurts. Why is it when he calls in I always think of the guy that was suing over the bumper sticker? xD
I love Don's topics!
The "Truth Hurts" thing is supposed to be ironic lol righ!?! 😂
The Ledge looks great....can't wait to see it.
"i was told i should shuffle papers in the dead time to look more official" that was funny
Matt 2 weeks in a row, this make me happy. ^_^
51:34 I feel inspired with matt's happiness in this second!
Until I completed the reproductive cycle of my biology degree I was against abortion in any form other than for the life of the mother. After my complete understanding of the cycles of cellular generation I have another view. As with all things education and understanding change ones views. Up to 10 weeks (2 months and 2 weeks) the fertilized egg is a fairly random mass of cells without any actual interconnected and function formation to them. Its the same as cutting out a mass of meat from my arm and throwing it on the table at that point. My arm has various cells through the layers of my dermis and muscle fibers that is comparable to the amount of diverse cells in a developed egg/fetus. Its not an integrated system that is anything more than a mass of random cells at that point and is not life an can not in any way be life, just random cells. After that time the cells begin to form integrated systems and becomes an actual living and viable system by 16 weeks (4 months) and is a fully formed and viable organism by 21 weeks. I don't believe a soul is in it at any point of development nor after birth. I take my stance as once the cell mass begins to make integrated systems and stop being a simple mass of various cells multiplying and waiting to reach sufficient quantity to begin creating various systems needed for a viable organism that abortions should be illegal except for life of the mother, rape, incest, or a few other points. If abortion is sinful then god is sinning since an average female will naturally abort two dozen babies when the egg is unable to properly attach and integrate with the uterine lining before the menstruation cycle begins and aborts it based on natural occurrences in mammals. That's my view and why I feel that way.
Larr- Bear
That's not bad. The drawn line is at 22 weeks, I believe, and 98.5% of all abortions occur before 20 weeks. Most of the scare tactics used by the religious crowd about how abortion is mass murder because fully formed babies are slaughtered by the thousands are straight-up lies.
TheZooCrew I'm an atheist. At one point in time I was 100% supporter of abortion rights. After my first child was born I began thinking more and more about the subject (it was triggered about an hour after his birth, we were lying in bed and I thought to myself "Now there are 3 of us but a couple hours ago there were only 2") I realized that that wasn't an accurate way of looking at it (he had been interacting with our cat for a number of months, for instance). What was the magical event that passage through a birth canal triggers?
I have thought that the best place to draw the line likely lies somewhere between week 8 and week 16, due to spinal development, but I'm open to arguments about other time frames if they are based on scientific knowledge.
I believe in choice, but there are limitations on that choice. Once it crosses a certain threshold choice shouldn't be an option. I live in Canada where we actually don't have any laws regarding abortion (the abortion law was struck down by the supreme court and no government was willing to tackle it) so technically-speaking an abortion could be performed at 9 months.
Alex Kilgour
An abortion at 9 months is called a C-section. Or induced labor. Termination of a pregnancy doesn't always result in fetal death despite the propaganda.
Your thinking in the first paragraph is simplistic and sloppy, not to mention driven by emotion. Furthermore, reaction to stimuli is not by itself indicative of life, let alone sentience. It actually doesn't matter whether a fetus is a person or not...and you're conflating how YOU see your child or a fetus with how the LAW must view it. A person's right to life does NOT override another's right to bodily autonomy, which is why a parent can't be forced to donate a kidney to save their child.
We've known for quite some time that the EEG brain wave is the marker of brain-life. Once that fades, you're dead, because brain-dead is dead. The EEG isn't even close to developed until around 24 weeks and not fully functional until 26. Like I mentioned before, 98.5% of all abortions in the US occur before 20 weeks, and the rest also include complications like tasax or anencephaly, which almost certainly require abortions.
I apologize if I sound aggressive, but I'm truly troubled by how much ad hoc nonsense and misinformation surrounds this topic.
Even though I do not share your opinions, I do see your progression leading you to your current beliefs.
I think that late term abortions should only be permitted if the fetus is killing the mother and abortions done during the first trimester should be open to any women who wants the service. The right to control your own body shouldn't be decided by committee if their reason is deemed "good enough". The problem with having women only get abortions if there is a "good enough" reason only invades the privacy of the woman and prevents women from getting abortions and it also would increase the cost and cause delays by adding bureaucracy to the system pushing women pass the date to terminate if they have to prove they were raped or whatever the criteria is.
I do not believe reproductive rights should be determined by others and a person should have a right to control their own bodies. I do not like when women use abortion as a birth control method but the current laws on reproductive and bodily rights allows for people to abuse the system to protect the majority. The majority of abortions are done in the first trimester and for valid reasons and those women need to be protected. Also with the issue of rape, do they have to convict someone before an abortion is granted? DO they have to report the rape to terminate the pregnancy? Also that will make desperate women lie to get an abortion and that could cause issues for many men who will be accused falsely to justify the termination performed safely. Also it will just force abortion underground where it is unsafe and dangerous for the mother. Many dangerous illegal abortions were performed and caused death or permanent health issues and making it more difficult or impossible to have an abortion unless you meet a certain criteria is dangerous and it will go back underground.
TheZooCrew
Let's start with the simple you asserting arguments are sloppy and then dismissing it without evidence is not a good argument. Then using a false equivalency argument with regards to a kidney donation is foolish.
I stated clearly that I live in Canada and there is no line here. I was quite clear in stating that. You can abort a fetus at 39 weeks in Canada, legally-speaking. Induction and abortion are 2 very different things. Aborting a fetus is not just inducing before it is viable. That is not what is done. You are not knowledgeable about the process if you are asserting this.
The first brain activity can be seen in a fetus at 12 weeks, not the 24 weeks that you asserted.
With regards to the false equivalency that you (and I've heard Jenn make the same statement) made let me explain the difference between the two situations.
If I see a car racing toward a person on a sidewalk and I could leap and successfully push that person from the sidewalk safely (but exposing myself to getting hit) I would not be charged or found culpable for not doing so. If, however, I was sure that if I pushed the person in front of me they would bump into the person on the sidewalk (thereby bumping that other person out of the way) I would still be charged for pushing that person into danger.
It is a question of action versus inaction. You are suggesting that preventing a person from taking an action that would be harmful to another is the same as forcing a person into an action that could be harmful to them (to aide another person). There is a plain difference.
I realize that it is human nature to seek comparisons and analogies to justify situations. I can (and have frequently) revert to the analogy that I am free to swing my fist in whatever manner I wish, but if someone else's face happens to be in the path of my fist suddenly my freedom is being restricted. But to be truthful, there is no other situation that is similar to pregnancy or childbirth. Being forced to donate a kidney is NOT the same as being prevented from performing an abortion.
I will stick by my assertion that there is a point where I believe that abortion should no longer be considered an option (unless due to medical situations, tay-sachs or things like that) and that point should be related to spinal development, and more importantly, brain development. My earlier range of 8-16 weeks shows a wide range, and clearly indicates my openness to actual arguments from science to narrow that down. If 20 weeks ends up being the best line that science can draw, then I would go with that as well. But blanket assertions that 98.5% of abortions happen before 20 weeks and of course all that occur after that are for medical reasons cannot be verified and as I clearly stated, even if there are laws in the US, there aren't in Canada, and that was the issue I was addressing.
There certainly is a lot of nonsense surrounding this topic. My story about how I re-thought the topic was not meant to be a personal experience tear-jerker. It was simply an explanation of why I rethought it all. When I was doing bioethics courses in university, many years ago, I was always very strongly on the pro-choice side. I had many rousing knockdown arguments with pro-lifers in some of those seminar classes. Funny that now that I'm an atheist (back then I was a deist) I find myself sitting somewhere in the middle on the abortion issue.
I love when they can't hold the phone the right way so it keeps making the button tone.
Is Matt practising his Italian accent at 35:32?
"You have naarthing."
Haha!
always a good show guys ...do u base your idea of Atheism on Science, and what we know of the Planets,Galaxy and Universe?
Yh cheers :D i got it. This my fave song on the Atheist Experience :P
My issue with Dan Patrick.
The point is that this guy is acting like he is trying to save lives when his real agenda is to close abortion clinics because of his religious beliefs.
If he stated his honest opinion there would be no doubt that he is trying to close clinics due to his religious beliefs.
So he obviously believes dishonesty is ok when doing the work of the lord, or he would be honest.
"Oh, I should shuffle pappers. I was told I should shuffle papers." LOL!
Pampers; we're right BEHIND you! LOL
Because shit happens...lol
@13:45: lol!!! omg, wait a minute, my sides hurt! :D this guy rocks
I love Don's face during TruthHurts' call.
lol @ that bill by Dan...
sentimental blackmail
Holy shit I cracked up hard when he kept saying faulty analogy fallacy
Don Baker's laugh is pure gold!
He reminds me of Letterman.
I love The Atheist Experience, very informing if looked at through intellectual eyes, keep up the good work....namaste
KNOW LIFE KNOW PAIN.
NO LIFE NO PAIN.
Mind=blown
LOL bold statement for a "metal head" xD
"[...] the Bible says men are stronger than women... and they are!"
I literally lol'd (and nearly exploded).
@end: lol I think they ripped paper @ the end omg, I lov this show
Yes Matt, you need to shuffle paper at the end of each episode ;)
:p
@theatheistexperience You're in danger of having me just tune in to listen to Evolved Atheist - I haven't laughed that hard in ages. This show was as funny as the last. Ha ha ha. Wonderful stuff.
Oh my God. Matt hung up on Jesus.
+spaveevo Why not? Matt didn't believe there was anyone on the line? No one on the line? You hang up. Natch.
+spaveevo And it's a good thing too, it's time for Jesus to get back to mowing my grass.
love Don's laugh
That is the most silly idea i've hear all day. . .
I love it.
Today Christian ministers announced that Pokemon is a conspiracy to slip demons into churches. WTF!!
Yes,it was in a post by some crazy Christian preacher. I don't care about Pokemon enough to speak rumors. Get off your lazy butt and do a little bit of investigation.
You can find numerous videos right here on you tube where religious leaders have declared Pokemon to be satanic.
I'd have thought they would have been pleased. They'll usually do anything to try to get more folk through the door.
LOLOL. Demons indeed. Never ceases to amaze and astonish me. How on earth an educated, rational, educated, sober adult could possible manage to continue to swallow such fantastic, juvenile, superstitious claptrap.
"The Lord gives you certainty"
lol I can hear Don laughing in the background
Yes the certainty that people will be in a state of delusional flux
HAHAHA Jesus phoned in to tell them how upset he is XD
Jesus has come
+USB JACK You replied to your own comment?
We can see why "Truth Hurts" named himself correctly, because hearing Matt explain the truth to him hurt him so much that he could not understand a single point made. Truth hurts, indeed!
i don't have an hour to watch the whole show...can someone tell me where the best bits are :)
53:30 - 53:50 pretty much the answer that should be given to every caller on this show
I'm surprised Don hadn't heard of the Family. They've received a good deal more attention than, say, the Westboro Baptist Church, although perhaps not recently.
Aw Matt, where do you find your patience. Lol
twas Father's day in the UK that day too - Mother's Day is earlier in the UK, though - March, I think.
I absolutely love the well stated case against the "pro-birthers" by Don Baker! ty sir!
Hahaha. Matt is cracking me up.
Father's Day in Thailand is celebrated on the King's birthday, so I always manage to forget when it's father's day in Canada (to wish my dad a happy day)
I love you forever for doing a show in drag.
Hie meant "in this world, but not of it" in case anyone is confused. 21:00.
I don't know about other countries. But here in Belgium, Father's day was last week.
in his defense... it's not easy to distinguish sarcasm from genuine religious bigotry ;)
@88Keyz101 actually that is one of the keys to winning a debate. don't give the other person the chance to make a good point in an argument, while pointing out anything hypocritical problems in the the other's words.
What song is it that plays at the beginning, i like it :P gotta download it
Being from OK, I winced when this guy said he was from OKC, but I was pleasantly surprised by this guy
Poor Matt. He looks like he needs a hug by the end of this.
I have "a faulcy analogy fallacy" growing in my ass. LOL
-Are you ready to get debunked? Are you ready??
@Kindertautenleider I only know because it's one of my favorite movies, and also one of my favorite lines. :) Cheers, and good point.
dude thats evolved hands down
Poor Matt: "No. No. No. You gonna stop or we gonna hang out?" It's like trying to reason with a 2-year old.
What Matt really wanted to say to TruthHurts was -
" Can I borrow your Faulty Analogy Fallacy ? My head needs a shave ! "
+Noevilea Or just the short version. You've got F.A. there.
How 'bout the FFF. Faulty Fallacy Fallacy
@30:54 isn't this luke or john from that baptist church from a while ago that repeatedly calls in under different names
Well a friend's sister who lives in Ireland was forced to have a stillborn child because of abortion laws. She had to carry to term a child she knew was going to come out dead. The doctor she had was not allowed to help her as laws prevented him from doing so. But he left her a pamphlet for abortion clinics in England.
I'm gonna do an EvolvedAtheist on that one and say........ "THAT'S A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT!!!!!!!! THAT'S A RED HERRING ARGUMENT!!!!!!!!!!!" XD
Unfortunately so.
Don has gotta be the nicest sounding and acting guy I've ever seen. And looks like he's 6'3 or something too. Like a big huge teddy bear
That third caller was such a troll
Yes, Numbers 5:16-28.
@Sines314 Yes, several people have brought this to my attention, I admit I did not think of it before, but you're right, it would be an absolute legal nightmare. Which got me wondering, are there other things that are illegal just because they would be almost impossible to configure laws around?
The question should be-when did ignorance become a virtue?
the difference between a cult and a religion is, that in a cult the founder still lives
@octavoch in ancient roman times when they hid in secret passageways, navigating through catacombs
Someone make a t-shirt that says "faulty analogy fallacy" !
Power, military, allies, commitment, does not care a lot about the debt (spending money to get more connections, lessen threats and get resources) currently, resources, and then history.
there needs to be a requirement that callers can actually talk coherently.
@sunfireThu When everything and everyone you know is stuck in one gum wrapper, it's hard to quit chewing :( I have a lot of hope for Mark from Stone Church, I have lived through his fears. Walking away from a life steeped in religion is one of the hardest things I've ever done in my life.
Try Numbers chapter 5 to get the full context read up to chapter 6. Then look again at 5:16-28. That whole scripture is a description of how to perform the abortion. verse 27 is particularly graphic: "when he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall discharge, her uterus drop, and the woman shall become an execration among her people."
@Brandonjaf I think I'd be repeatedly hitting my head against the desk after the first call.
Lou from Oklahoma sounded so nice. I hope he manages to get more support for his anti-drinking message
RE: Polygamy
As Matt said that there is no reason "to exclude two loving people from engaging in the same union... solely on the basis of gender"
In the same way, I see no reason to exclude x number of loving people from engaging in the same union solely on the basis of numbers.
If 3 or more people want to join together in a group union, why not? (and I also don't care which gender any of those members are)
Sounds rough, stray strong and move out of that place when you are able to do so are my thoughts..
I just love all the men in America who feel they can dictate to women what they should do or think. Don is so right! No one seems to care what happens to the child AFTER birth! I certainly don't see a lot of help raising the children in question. What happens to a single mom who already has 2 or more kids and is fighting every day to try to stay alive? Ever think of that?