RESPONSE TO "I'M TIRED OF THE CHURCH CONSTANTLY BEING ATTACKED"
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2016
- LDS Smile recently published a post called, "I'm Tired of the Church Constantly Being Attacked", which was shared pretty widely around the Mormon internet sphere. We decided to read the post and give our responses to it! We hope you enjoy it and aren't offended by anything we say IT'S HARD TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY. Love you all.
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I served in the northern Philippines, when I first got there I told my senior comp that since we were low on new investigators that we should literally go from door to door in our area. I quickly learned that our mission president, under orders from Salt Lake, had told the missionaries NOT to teach everyone. The reason being, the church didn’t want poor people flooding in and taking advantage of the welfare programs. So we were to teach poor people, should they seek us out, but we were approach more rich areas so that they could establish a base of people to support the welfare program there.
Even worse off, there are always people under the bridge part of the City Creek Mall that are homeless (usually due to a disability) and are in great need of help. But the church will never actually help them.
"Those people are paid" until they aren't. My mother was a custodian for many buildings, and I guarantee she wasn't paid enough AND they laid all their custodians off to make the people do it.
I definitely agree with what Sam said about being able to help more outside the church. My grandpa got sick and my parents texted me to tell me to pray for him. And it got me thinking like, how often do people who have a genuine desire to help just throw in a couple words over their mac and cheese and move on, ya know? How much more good could be done if people who wanted to help would do something tangible instead of some well-meaning thoughts? Cause ultimately, my cousins and I praying isn't gonna do anything about pneumonia or whatever it was. How often do we all take the easy way out of doing good ya know? Anyway sorry for the rant lol
Yeah I'm sorry but I can't say that most of the Mormons I know are above average in kindness. Some of the shittiest people I've met have been Mormon. They tend to be friendly at first, but when the right topic comes up, you realize what a hateful person they actually are. The Mormons I have met are kinder than the average person are just good people at their core, and they're usually the ones that go against the grain, like the pro-LGBT ones that actually are actually doing something to mend the damage that the church has done to the community.
I haven't met any mormons, but the apologists I have seen are all nasty.
Tanner does not look like Tanner without his awesome hair!
That’s right, all your points are always legitimate because you say so. LMAO.
Then prove them wrong with facts. The mormon church admitted on the 60 minutes show that they have at least 150 billion dollars. They also donate less money than Walmart 😂
My little brother was a full tithe payer for years. He was having a real hard time making ends meet with four kids, but "knew" that if he kept paying tithing it would work out. But it didn't. So he went to his bishop, who told him to pray about it. My brother did that, and felt that he had an answer: if the church would help him with his power bill, he could continue paying tithing, and still be able to pay his bills. He went to the bishop, and told him he needed help with this power bill. The bishop said "No, we can't do that." That was the beginning of the end for my brother, who served a full time mission in Japan. Such a load of crap. This church sucks.
Can I hire y'all to do this for every LDS Living article??
Absolutely!
One of the things I hated most about my mission is that we had to request specific permission from our Mission President before we engaged in any service project. We had to justify how it would help our 'numbers' meaning it had to help us work towards baptisms. No altruistic service.
Wow, Schris! :( UNcool! ALL goes to/ for the numbers! :(((
My RS was bad about that also. I worked helping with homeless and they never wanted to come with me to help.
The author of the article is using the same arguments that abusive spouses use:Husband: "You're not allowed to criticize me! Look at all the good I do! So what if I cheat on you repeatedly? So what if I molest the kids every once in a while? So what if I constantly verbally abuse you and do everything I can to make you feel like you're not good enough? So what if I hit you a few times? You got better, didn't you? Stop finding fault with me! I provide a roof over your head! I take care of the kids! I give you food! I gave you flowers after I hit you once!"Wife: "Actually, I take care of the kids, and I purchase and cook the food, and I clean the house. I don't deny the work you do at the office, but you're taking way more than your share of credit--"Husband: "Shut up! If you leave me, you will suffer! You'll never find anyone better! I am your one true soulmate! You need me!"Wife: "That's not true. There are plenty of other husbands who don't cheat, molest, or hit. There are plenty of husbands who admit when they make mistakes, and make changes instead of getting defensive. There are plenty of men who are less boring, and probably a lot better in bed. Let's be honest, you outlandishly exaggerate your size and your performance. You always brag about how much money you make. I won't deny that you are a rich man. But you are stingy and selfish. For all you take in, you give back an inexcusably small amount. I am not looking for a perfect husband, but I know that most of the potential husbands out there are better and more generous than you. Hell, I'm better off single than part of an abusive marriage. Goodbye."
I know your post is two years old but if by chance you stumble across this comment I just want you to know this is the BEST analogy I've ever ever heard BoyGringo! I will use this as I work with LDS people who are considering leaving the church! Thanks for posting!!!!!! :)
You guys should deconstruct the essays, just seeing the church trying to tell the truth is funny.
I remember the flooding in High River, Alberta in 2013 and how all the wards in Calgary and the surrounding area got organized to go help everyone. I'm from High River so I went too. Everyone wore one of those blue "Mormon Helping Hands" t-shirts. Even as an active TBM it pissed me off because this opportunity to do genuine good was being used as advertising. It made me think of pharisees praying loudly in public to be seen. I didnt wear one, I just wanted to help out. The members did a lot of great volunteer work for a couple of months, but they were always advertising it. I didn't see anyone from any other church advertising like that. That is what I hate about the church's community service.
*"Even as an active TBM it pissed me off because this opportunity to do genuine good was being used as advertising."*
So what?! The important thing is that people got the help they needed. Do you think those folks resented the T-shirts just because it told them who was helping them? I seriously doubt it. As my mother would have said, "You need to get your head screwed on straight."
you need to help and not be proud! You need to help cuz its the right thing to do ! Not cuz ur gettin paid to volunteer
It’s always about converting them. The fact they hide it so much shows how manipulative it is
I was apart of helping hands when tornados touched down in my state and we went to help clean up, but come to find out it was just for people high up in the church
LOL.. Teaching English as a second language "with no ulterior motives" :) No, there couldn't possibly be any motivations to proselyte..
Motives are wrong. They're "good" because they're actively building their heavenly spread. Good deeds aren't sincere, they're personal investments.
I recently came across a facebook rant about this kind of thing, about blaming or attacking the church and I am glad you guys have responded to a similar argument. My family recently left the church (RM and temple marriage etc) and it was the greatest and hardest choice I have ever made. I can thankfully look back and laugh and just enjoy life now but I would like to say a special CHEERS Sam and Tan! I heard your story on Mormon stories and think you are both super brave! You're HIRED!
The church is not being 'attacked' any more than the leaders or members bring it on themselves. People are going to criticize it no matter what. It does need to be criticized for what it does in many aspects or the issues would never be brought to light. It is better to work with the culture than against it, and unfortunately they are working against it thus having many members and people not liking it. There are people who leave after becoming disillusioned when finding the truth, especially the history of the deceased prophets who led.
While I was never Mormon, I have several who LGBT+ that were (some were returned missionaries themselves) and after researching it myself came to have a strong dislike for the religion, not the people who are members. Mormonism does teach and emphasize many good things, but is not necessarily (institution wise at least) compatible with winning longterm members with modern culture. Most of those who I have met that became baptized left within several years if not sooner. They do have a very low retention rate.
All the information and facts about the Mormon church's history should be brought out into the light and closely examined objectively (without spin or apologetics), so that people can make a rational decision about whether to believe its organizational truth claims. If its not true, then the church should be criticized.
Ed Snow All of the LDS history is now on line and it doesn't disprove anything in the LDS church. Click.. "Polyandry not found in LDS church history" LDS temple ceramony not masonic but found in the dead sea scrolls. Now being covered up from Christians.
Paul
Rather than read your unofficial essay, why not read the new official Church™ essay on "Plural Marriage in Kirkland and Nauvoo"? It admits that Joseph was sealed to other men's wives and had sex with at least some of them.
if the church is no true then the church should be criticized as long as the individuals who are lds members are not being judged and personally called names that are undermining and demonizing. the church should be questioned.
Speaking of helping other people, my friend was out walking his dog one Sunday afternoon, and stopped to look in the dumpster behind the LDS church. It was filled with stacked packages, carefully wrapped and stapled shut. He opened a few and they were all filled with bread. Rather than take it to a local food kitchen, they just throw it away.
Ewww! That's horrible. Unfortunately though laws make it difficult to feed the homeless expired food or the state will sue. Idk I wish we didn't have anti homeless laws but I still give cash because it's not my business how they spend their money. They don't have a home, the least I can do is cash when I have it. And be geniune. Wish them a good day and mean it.
In this instance the bread had been baked that morning and was still fresh.
nooooo
I've paid 4,800 this year in tithing. 600 fast offering. I could have done a lot more, a lot! more for people I know personally instead of paying tithing. So of that money, $5 went to humanitarian aid and $4,795 went to building and maintaining buildings, printing books, and paying the general authority stipends. And that guy at general conference just says something to the effect of "the funds are managed properly." Hmm.
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"We sell our signs and tokens for money." Hahahaha!!!
How I would respond to the article: *clears throat* "stop being a little bitch by playing the victim card". Simple as that, and it took less then 5 seconds! (Loved all of your points though!)
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Thanks for reading it so I don't have to. Your ruthless mockery made it bearable. :)
That's all we ever wanted!
bishops are really good people?... i heard that wrong. i misunderstood. right?...
Yeah, gangs and terror groups give people a sense of belonging and purpose. It's rather evolutionary. Belonging to such groups may also enhance the prestige one feels about their plight...which would explain why people embark upon lone-wolf attacks.
my family history will be in two volumes. The 'red pill' and the 'blue pill'. That way we can respect each others boundaries. They don't have to be exposed to new ideas unless they choose.
To wit: The massive failure of the Just Serve program...in spite of the slick roll out video. We were reminded that this would involve dealing with other volunteers who would notable Mormon (eek) and that this would not be a missionary opportunity. We used to get e mails, generated by agencies under the Just Serve banner.
Not be not notable
Every man a janitor.
I was a late teenage convert 🙋🏽♂️
My dad is a doctor who makes over 120k a year and he pays 10% of everything and extra fast offerings.
The perpetual education fund is interest free.
the mormon church hurts people. the mormon church hurts people emotionally. people who leave the mormon church have a right to express their feelings just as much as anyone else. people who leave mormonism are hurt because they feel they've been lied to.
if the church didn't lie, people would just leave. if you listen to ex mormons you wll hear how they were lied to. that's not persecution. people have a right to tell others how they have been lied to.
I rememeber my parents had to give about $300 for tithing. It is so freaking ridiculous!
This video is full of funny-gif opportunities.
All we really want is for people to turn us into gifs!
Ahhhh! I was just thinking about City Creek and then you guys said it! Yes!!! There is no reason for the church to own it or anything remotely like that. Also any store that wants to be open on a Sunday on church owned grounds, must pay $1000 dollars to the church to do so. #chaching I never want to buy anything church owned for this purpose. Thank you for this. I had my records removed a year ago.
The level of snark in this video is perfection. ❤❤❤❤
The Church is a great recipient of charity itself...through free labor performed by its members. It's part of the plan of enrichment started by Joseph Smith. They should be proud.
Absolutely.
Why hire custodial workers when you can guilt members into cleaning church buildings for free?
It really annoyed me that they had a weekly "clean the I-center" night at BYU-I. Poor students have paid jobs cleaning the building already! Stop guilting students into cleaning the building for free in some weird attempt to "make them feel like they are doing service" or "save a chunk of money every week." Nonsense. Mindless "keep you busy" work.
Every member a janitor.
I appreciate that you guys gave him kudos for the things that he wrote that were reasonable.
I love your CZcams Channel. I've never seen it before. Your parody of Tiers in Heaven was FANTASTIC!!!
10:14 on top of that city creek is easily one of the shittiest malls in Utah... fucking valley fair is better imo 😂
That mentality is narcissistic
Love it! Keep up the good work! This whole "under attack" mentality reminded me of this video (other great ones under the same channel): czcams.com/video/e4mH-2W5nbg/video.html
Become models!
Zelph
I love the tapir in your avatar!
With all due respect to Harvest Johnston below, folks wearing "Mormon Helping Hands" shirts don't bother me at all. I don't care if others consider it as advertising. The important thing is the free help that is being rendered.
No qualms about the actual service being rendered. It just seems to go against what Jesus said: "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth."
Zelph On the Shelf I'll call your "but when thou doest" and raise you a Matthew 5:16.
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
There's a difference. The pharisee's liked a crowd to show off what they were doing - and the more the merrier. The "Mormon Helping Hands" forks just arrive and get to work. No theatrics. Instead of a "see what I'm doing" attitude, there's is more of a 'how can we help". Need knows no religion.
You don't need a bright yellow shirt to show up and get to work.
PS The Latter-day Church is Pharisee: zelphontheshelf.com/pharisaism/
Zelph On the Shelf I never claimed you did. But showing up as a group, all wearing the same shirts, adds more fun to the work.
+JediMormon Fair point!
HAHAHA your face at 6:48. That was amazing!
B
so long. some good content, but the videos are so long. I'd watch all of them if they were shorter
Check out our shorter videos!
Well there's 5 minutes of my life I cant get back.
Gotta be wise with how you use your second estate!
Actually the Mormon helping hands is one of the most organized charities out there. Alot of other faiths work with them, and praise the church for all the work they do. The church does a lot of other humantarian work throughout the year too. Providing food, clothing, water, etc to those all around the world everyday.
Im a going to cause trouble soon for you guys.
You spend a lot of your time hating on the church buddy js