I’m definitely loving these Mormon history stories!! As an ex Mormon, it’s kinda scary how little I was taught about my own religion! It’s eye opening learning about the men’s history. Men that are praised in the church. It’s a damn shame...
Shhh...don't tell FairMormon how crazy they are. We need them to keep posting absolute bullshit so more people see it and realize how batshit crazy they are. Seriously though. It wasn't reading the CES Letter, or podcasts, or MormonThink that got me to leave the church. Those things drove me to FairMormon for answers. Then it was reading FairMormon's responses to troubling issues that sold me on leaving the church. Thank you, FairMormon!
Lol. I originally left so I can date women, but then I discovered later how bullshit it is. So I started removing my records two years after I quit going and came out.
"The truth is a disease-" spot on! There's some quote - I think from Bednar? - bemoaning how historians "worship the truth" and how "the truth isn't uplifting. " and then there's your classic "some things which are true are not very useful." Then there's the fact that "the church" is supposed to be better than every other thing ever...but it doesn't behave better than the general wild west population. There's so many examples of that too, most prominent being the shift from not allowing black people the priesthood prior to 1978 to "we the church have always stood against discrimination (unless you're gay, a woman, disabled ...)" in 2018. The farther out form mormonism I get the more disturbing this MO is to me
When my faith was shattered into pieces I turned to FairMormon and FARMS, believing they had the answers that helped so many people before me. They proceeded to take those pieces and grind them into a fine powder. I could not stand the ad-hominem style of argumentation they tried to use, and the beyond absurd explanations they present as facts or evidence. They took whatever reasons I did still have to believe, and showed my why I shouldn't be hanging on to them. They are despicable, but I still owe them a thank you for helping open my eyes... just not the way they intended. Fairmormon, defending the indefensible (poorly) since inception.
Hooooleeeeee effffff! Yes, expose more of these stories/truths to the light of day. Thanks you two for being so up front and real, and cool as f***.I sure loves ya! 💙❤💚💜 Brigham Young was evil as they get. SOB! Ok, I'll continue my tantrum off the page now... 🤪 Thnx again
You two rock. Keep doing videos like this. Im an Ex mormon, i was in for a about 18 years. Came out of it 8 months ago. Storys like this make me sick then Disgusted then I laughed my a** off. It's unbelievable the church teaches how great all this men were. Keep up the good work!
I'm a reformed Baptist. I read this segment in Richard Abanes' book "One Nation Under Gods." That's a pretty sick historical story. And boy, Fair Mormon did it yet again shooting itself in the foot (or the nuts more literally).
Young's rhetoric of blood atonement wasn't hyperbole. They routinely killed people for adultery and other sex crimes and apostasy. In his memoir, John D Lee thought the Danites were going to kill him by surprise when he was accused of adultery. They took him into a darkened room to answer questions about the charges - he didn't know who was there in the room or if they'd attack him there. When I read that, I thought about Brigham's quote about that javelin and realized how real it was.
Omfg!!! D-E-D dead. This could make a fun drunk history episode. Also, you guys should cover the story of the guy that went on a murder spree killing people who left the church as per the temple ordinances and they had to change the temple ordinances because he was “following” them.
The more I learn about the sick and twisted past of the Mormon religion, I can't help wondering why my sister stays devout. I can't imagine she knows this information and she would be totally disgusted by it if she did. I know she wouldn't entertain a conversation about this with me because she would hate that I would be right, when she has been so faithful all her life and I have been apostizing it up for the last 20 years
Fair Mormon (from what I've read so far.) really likes to underplayed the issue, and in some cases completely misunderstands/skews up the issue entirely. The only people who can even get on board with some of the things are people who want the church to be true, and want an excuse, which is infuriating because then they're like "You're heart isn't in the right place" but it's like "No. Joseph Smith, a *37 year old* should not marry a 14 year old. I'm not being close minded that's just messed up." Pro tip, don't read they're argument on Joe marrying Helen Mar Kimball, it's so infuriating. 🤦
FairMormon's reasons for castration, makes it seem that castration was a standard practice. Seriously, how prevalent was castration in the church at this time?
It was well documented that the "apostles" and "bishops" both killed and castrated the young men to take their wives...especially the exotic young women the missionaries brought back from far lands that the old men lusted after!
I believe in the end the young woman did end up marrying the bishop. I wonder if she did it out of sheer fear after she saw what he did to her fiancé. Sick.
Well, I can understand FairMormon people, if you read the book of mormon, and the Bible, and you put together all the pieces of behavior of the deity represented there, you get a hypocrite monster, but millions of people still think it's all kindness so...
"It was done for God, by those with the keys, Power and Authority! Obey, don't question, the debate is over!" (more than clearly the other brother's plan - Saint'nism)
Well gotta love the verse from Christian Mythology that talks about how its okay for a man to rape another mans daughter as long as he pays her father or marry her thereafter. However if neither of those happen, she is to be stoned to death in public BY HER FATHER for her indiscretion and wicked ways of making sad man lustful but not being a good enough woman to make him marry you..... Its fucking bullshit and idk how ppl defend or believe in god much less the bible/ "His word".... smh...
Love the channel. Love the video. It would actually be kind of cool if you guys dissected parts of the CES letter and Fair Mormon responses. I fell into a rabbit hole when I was first out and some of the explanations given by Fair Mormon are flat out laughable. It would be fun to hear a millennial view of some of that. I love the CES letter but it is exhausting especially if you are trying to read both sides of the argument when you are first confronted with a faith crisis. Great job guys! Hail Satan! 🌈
This story is told by many. John D Lee describes it. He is best remembered for his mass murders and sexual appetite. And this story isn’t unique .......this event is re-enacted in the movie September Dawn
Alright you got this Quinn all LDS historians proud of you glad get on top This it’s fun Jack Mormon until disfellowshipped or excommunicated never surrender Dorthy
I officially left the church two months ago and just came across this new video my ex- second counselor posted: m.czcams.com/video/U5cyOk6ZAtk/video.html Such apologist it breaks my heart.
By this comment, I'm assuming people get castrated when in jail for a night or in traffic school at evening. Wow, where do you live to face such conditions?!
This sounds like a very interesting subject! Maybe you should make youtube videos on the topic because you have personal experience? I will say that everything has a polar opposite, and will have a negative minority, but that isn't representative of an entire group of people.. This gives it a bad name, but keep in mind that this is a result of a religious cult, while your practice of polygamy is from a tribe, which I'm assuming is a generational culture tradition.
Aleksilly yes it’s generational, not practiced by all and there are rules, like you need your wife’s consent (legally documented), if she says no it’s considered bigamy and also your wives are equals so if one gets a diamond tennis bracelet, the other should get something they want that equivalent. Obviously you can only marry at legal age and traditionally your wives have to get a “woman cave” that the husband isn’t allowed into and if she goes in there you can’t step foot (to avoid fights etc and a safe space Incase of abuse or of another wife being a psycho). Lol no thanks on the video I prefer watching
@@prettyinpinky5937 No problem, I respect that. Thank you for providing information and replying to me! This is really interesting. This sounds very respectful to women too who are in those types of relationships. If you don't mind me asking, why is polygamy practiced? Is it for the survival of the tribe is there more to the concept?
Aleksilly yes cause our tribe were conquers who built a massive army that went into other African countries. Hence why we now have a group of Nguni language whose base is isiZulu. Also our ratio is that women out number men, always has been. And regardless of westernization we still hold to our beliefs. My cousin is an Attorney, her husband a doctors d the second wife a Charted Accountant. The 3 of them chose each other in order to creat generational wealth, and have the means to have successful family businesses. So it’s not all bad and they’re all happy and all equally busy and the wives are close
@@prettyinpinky5937 I don't think someone's traditions should change based on western or any beliefs. My logic is that as long as someone in not being harmed physically, emotionally, or mentally then someone should do what they want. Besides, the polygamy ways of your tribe is very very different from the western world (who used polygamy as a means to control and desire - not for the benefit of the survival). Your tribe proves that polygamy can work, where there are those, especially in the western world who believe that a marriage between a man and a woman are the only ways a society can function. Does your tribe follow any religious beliefs, if you don't mind my asking?
"They view the truth like a disease" definitely hit me.
Same here
I’m definitely loving these Mormon history stories!! As an ex Mormon, it’s kinda scary how little I was taught about my own religion! It’s eye opening learning about the men’s history. Men that are praised in the church. It’s a damn shame...
Shhh...don't tell FairMormon how crazy they are. We need them to keep posting absolute bullshit so more people see it and realize how batshit crazy they are.
Seriously though. It wasn't reading the CES Letter, or podcasts, or MormonThink that got me to leave the church. Those things drove me to FairMormon for answers. Then it was reading FairMormon's responses to troubling issues that sold me on leaving the church. Thank you, FairMormon!
Hahaha love this comment. I remember feeling exactly the same reading through fair Mormons responses! Laughing looking back on it now! :)
by their fruits...
Brilliant!
My bet is that FairMormon has led more people out of Mormonism than just about any other source. LMAO!
Lol. I originally left so I can date women, but then I discovered later how bullshit it is. So I started removing my records two years after I quit going and came out.
Sympathetic pain is a real phenomenon
You really gotta gird up your loins for this one
@@ZelphOntheShelf excellent use of the word 'gird'. Makes me imagine a race of meso-american Jewish Vikings preparing for war.
"Sex MLM" I like that LOL it definitely fits this story
"The truth is a disease-" spot on! There's some quote - I think from Bednar? - bemoaning how historians "worship the truth" and how "the truth isn't uplifting. " and then there's your classic "some things which are true are not very useful."
Then there's the fact that "the church" is supposed to be better than every other thing ever...but it doesn't behave better than the general wild west population. There's so many examples of that too, most prominent being the shift from not allowing black people the priesthood prior to 1978 to "we the church have always stood against discrimination (unless you're gay, a woman, disabled ...)" in 2018. The farther out form mormonism I get the more disturbing this MO is to me
When my faith was shattered into pieces I turned to FairMormon and FARMS, believing they had the answers that helped so many people before me. They proceeded to take those pieces and grind them into a fine powder. I could not stand the ad-hominem style of argumentation they tried to use, and the beyond absurd explanations they present as facts or evidence. They took whatever reasons I did still have to believe, and showed my why I shouldn't be hanging on to them. They are despicable, but I still owe them a thank you for helping open my eyes... just not the way they intended.
Fairmormon, defending the indefensible (poorly) since inception.
They dont go into depth. No ambiguity. No details. Fluff.
So yes, moral cowards.
We need more mormon history!!!
Hooooleeeeee effffff! Yes, expose more of these stories/truths to the light of day.
Thanks you two for being so up front and real, and cool as f***.I sure loves ya! 💙❤💚💜
Brigham Young was evil as they get. SOB! Ok, I'll continue my tantrum off the page now... 🤪 Thnx again
This made me gag.
I don't gag or vomit.
Go delete yourself.
Love you two. I'm a former mormon. Love your channel. Will contribute my story whenever you want
You two rock. Keep doing videos like this. Im an Ex mormon, i was in for a about 18 years. Came out of it 8 months ago. Storys like this make me sick then Disgusted then I laughed my a** off. It's unbelievable the church teaches how great all this men were. Keep up the good work!
I'm a reformed Baptist. I read this segment in Richard Abanes' book "One Nation Under Gods."
That's a pretty sick historical story. And boy, Fair Mormon did it yet again shooting itself in the foot (or the nuts more literally).
Young's rhetoric of blood atonement wasn't hyperbole. They routinely killed people for adultery and other sex crimes and apostasy. In his memoir, John D Lee thought the Danites were going to kill him by surprise when he was accused of adultery. They took him into a darkened room to answer questions about the charges - he didn't know who was there in the room or if they'd attack him there. When I read that, I thought about Brigham's quote about that javelin and realized how real it was.
It's still doctrine. That's why Utah is the only state in the Union with the firing squad.
“But the church is still perfect! Just led by imperfect mean.” Fml. I’m glad I am no longer affiliated with this cult. Disgusting.
my blood is boiling. WOW. The church is so good at covering up this bullshit.
Great video, keep them coming!
Omfg!!! D-E-D dead. This could make a fun drunk history episode. Also, you guys should cover the story of the guy that went on a murder spree killing people who left the church as per the temple ordinances and they had to change the temple ordinances because he was “following” them.
Would love to! Got a source?
The more I learn about the sick and twisted past of the Mormon religion, I can't help wondering why my sister stays devout. I can't imagine she knows this information and she would be totally disgusted by it if she did. I know she wouldn't entertain a conversation about this with me because she would hate that I would be right, when she has been so faithful all her life and I have been apostizing it up for the last 20 years
Fair Mormon (from what I've read so far.) really likes to underplayed the issue, and in some cases completely misunderstands/skews up the issue entirely. The only people who can even get on board with some of the things are people who want the church to be true, and want an excuse, which is infuriating because then they're like "You're heart isn't in the right place" but it's like "No. Joseph Smith, a *37 year old* should not marry a 14 year old. I'm not being close minded that's just messed up."
Pro tip, don't read they're argument on Joe marrying Helen Mar Kimball, it's so infuriating. 🤦
Well said!
FairMormon's reasons for castration, makes it seem that castration was a standard practice. Seriously, how prevalent was castration in the church at this time?
It was well documented that the "apostles" and "bishops" both killed and castrated the young men to take their wives...especially the exotic young women the missionaries brought back from far lands that the old men lusted after!
There goes my lunch. That's some straight up horror movie material.
Classic emotional coercion via “priesthood” and “personal revelation.”
If you want to be convinced that Mormonism is a sham, simply spend a couple hours reading Mormon apologetics.
This... almost made me cry. Disgusting.
The bishop that castrated Thomas Lewis also later married the girl Thomas Lewis was engaged to.
Do more videos like this.
I love that music at the end! 🎶
More mormon history videos, please! This was prime entertainment.
holy crap, I've never heard about that crazy story. Haha great analysis and humor. I really enjoyed the video!
Thanks for doing what you do.
This breaks my heart so deeply.
Damn... truth inoculation. That’s exactly what they do from the time babies are in nursery. 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
We are all mad here in Zion
More videos like these please, so funny, loved it
You are an IDIOT. What is funny about the video?
Love seeing you do your thing sam, and love shit like this!
I believe in the end the young woman did end up marrying the bishop. I wonder if she did it out of sheer fear after she saw what he did to her fiancé. Sick.
Well, I can understand FairMormon people, if you read the book of mormon, and the Bible, and you put together all the pieces of behavior of the deity represented there, you get a hypocrite monster, but millions of people still think it's all kindness so...
León Yannik López Rojas you're not wrong
Great point.
This was excellent.
"He had it coming." I wish they would say that about sex criminals today.
Tanner looks like James Franco.
I love the Orlando bloom facial hair too 😍
This was great 😂
JFC! I was raised in Sanpete county and never heard this story. But then, why would I? The church hides all their sins.
Thanks for sharing! Yeah why didn’t God intervene with some gift of discernment? This is always the problem. Gift of discernment doesn’t exist.
This breaks my heart.
I thought Quinn was excommunicated because he's gay. The true Mormon history stuff was just icing on the cake.
...In reviewing Ted Bundys life we begin to see how his behavior can be better understood.
Very useful video. Thankyou so much for that
Women have to obey with exactness...men can do whatever they want if they are full tithe payers.
"It was done for God, by those with the keys, Power and Authority! Obey, don't question, the debate is over!" (more than clearly the other brother's plan - Saint'nism)
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Everyone bombard three Mormons and ask them to debate Zelph on the shelf.
1:06 WHAT?!? I want to hear that story please lol
Don’t let em grind you down
Just Reiner where they got the info find that art you will love it
Well gotta love the verse from Christian Mythology that talks about how its okay for a man to rape another mans daughter as long as he pays her father or marry her thereafter. However if neither of those happen, she is to be stoned to death in public BY HER FATHER for her indiscretion and wicked ways of making sad man lustful but not being a good enough woman to make him marry you.....
Its fucking bullshit and idk how ppl defend or believe in god much less the bible/ "His word".... smh...
Make t shirts. I friggin love t shirts...and your indian skull would look awesome
Here are some shirts for ya! www.etsy.com/shop/ZelphOnTheShelf?ref=l2-shopheader-name
@@ZelphOntheShelf 😕 Can you make a 3xlt option? I'm super tall. I like the alien holy family
You guys should make a video with 3 Mormons.
well...
geezum
DID THE BISHOP GET TO MARRY THE GIRL IN THE END?
Gross why must I be related to Brigham? |:B
Love the channel. Love the video. It would actually be kind of cool if you guys dissected parts of the CES letter and Fair Mormon responses. I fell into a rabbit hole when I was first out and some of the explanations given by Fair Mormon are flat out laughable. It would be fun to hear a millennial view of some of that. I love the CES letter but it is exhausting especially if you are trying to read both sides of the argument when you are first confronted with a faith crisis. Great job guys! Hail Satan! 🌈
She must have been one hell of a BABE!
Wow!
Where'd you get the red coat?
This story is told by many. John D Lee describes it. He is best remembered for his mass murders and sexual appetite. And this story isn’t unique .......this event is re-enacted in the movie September Dawn
Please don't tell me the girl was forced into a marriage with the old man after they castrated her poor fiancé!
God, I hope that guy isn't related to me. At least not too closely.
Alright you got this Quinn all LDS historians proud of you glad get on top This it’s fun Jack Mormon until disfellowshipped or excommunicated never surrender Dorthy
Endure to the end Mystical Magical Being A Latter Day is Fun
What's gaslighting?
To make you feel bad for something someone did to you. Like if I hit you and say "if you only would cook dinner on time I would not have got so mad"
Thanks for the explanation. @@samanthagiggles3215
Happy to help @@josephsaltal2596
Gaslighting is a bit more complex than that. You can watch explanations on it by looking it up on CZcams.
@@atonterodwell219 It is pretty complex, and I still don't understand the concept despite being experiencing it.
I officially left the church two months ago and just came across this new video my ex- second counselor posted:
m.czcams.com/video/U5cyOk6ZAtk/video.html
Such apologist it breaks my heart.
Yes, but to be fair, back in those days castration was about the same as maybe a night in jail and an evening at traffic school today. /s
Really? I wonder if you would think that if your balls got cut off?
By this comment, I'm assuming people get castrated when in jail for a night or in traffic school at evening. Wow, where do you live to face such conditions?!
This gives polygamy a bad name. I come from a polygamous tribe & it so isn’t practiced like that in SA.
This sounds like a very interesting subject! Maybe you should make youtube videos on the topic because you have personal experience? I will say that everything has a polar opposite, and will have a negative minority, but that isn't representative of an entire group of people.. This gives it a bad name, but keep in mind that this is a result of a religious cult, while your practice of polygamy is from a tribe, which I'm assuming is a generational culture tradition.
Aleksilly yes it’s generational, not practiced by all and there are rules, like you need your wife’s consent (legally documented), if she says no it’s considered bigamy and also your wives are equals so if one gets a diamond tennis bracelet, the other should get something they want that equivalent. Obviously you can only marry at legal age and traditionally your wives have to get a “woman cave” that the husband isn’t allowed into and if she goes in there you can’t step foot (to avoid fights etc and a safe space Incase of abuse or of another wife being a psycho). Lol no thanks on the video I prefer watching
@@prettyinpinky5937 No problem, I respect that. Thank you for providing information and replying to me! This is really interesting. This sounds very respectful to women too who are in those types of relationships. If you don't mind me asking, why is polygamy practiced? Is it for the survival of the tribe is there more to the concept?
Aleksilly yes cause our tribe were conquers who built a massive army that went into other African countries. Hence why we now have a group of Nguni language whose base is isiZulu. Also our ratio is that women out number men, always has been. And regardless of westernization we still hold to our beliefs. My cousin is an Attorney, her husband a doctors d the second wife a Charted Accountant. The 3 of them chose each other in order to creat generational wealth, and have the means to have successful family businesses. So it’s not all bad and they’re all happy and all equally busy and the wives are close
@@prettyinpinky5937 I don't think someone's traditions should change based on western or any beliefs. My logic is that as long as someone in not being harmed physically, emotionally, or mentally then someone should do what they want. Besides, the polygamy ways of your tribe is very very different from the western world (who used polygamy as a means to control and desire - not for the benefit of the survival). Your tribe proves that polygamy can work, where there are those, especially in the western world who believe that a marriage between a man and a woman are the only ways a society can function. Does your tribe follow any religious beliefs, if you don't mind my asking?
Is this true history ? Oh yeah that’s Christianity for sure