The Problem With Twitch Con
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The crazy part was that wasn’t the only foam pit injury either. Pretty sure someone dislocated their knee too just hopping off the pedestal :/
he did say it wasn't the only injury
@@snbdxmnv4057 oh my bad must’ve missed that part
@Bully peter man really replied to his own comment lmao
sounds like a yourrage moment
Along with those 2 injuries I heard someone else had a minor back injury in the pit as well
Glad that Mogul Mail is standing up for his friend Ludwig, bullying is indeed a huge problem!!!
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Mogul Mail was in the video, not Ludwig. He is a Lugwig ah nigga ngl.
Get botted L
At first at thought you said “Ludwig is indeed a huge problem”. Had to go and double check that
3 bots that’s crazy
As someone who is disabled, this convention was a nightmare. Disabled lines were being trampled, people were *pushing* and shoving wheelchair users, and security was even telling regular attendees to "just get a disability sticker" to skip the normal lines. They were being misled and belittled by security, taken to the wrong places with no accessibility. It was hell for disabled attendees.
@yes shut up
i saw so many tweets about this its crazy, so glad my bf and i didint attend
Not only a little pushing and shoving, one of my American friend's friend got pushed so bad they actually fell over. Despite asking for help from security before it happened they didn't do shit and in the end let things happen that way.
Just don't be disabled bro. That way you can get in the disabled line and push and shove disabled people. Twitch users are sociopaths.
skill issue
justice for ludwig. He didn’t deserve to be bullied like that
# StopTheLudwigsHate
WHO THE FUCK IS LUDWIG
im gonna have to disagree respectfully.
ludwin wouldve never been bullied like that
I couldn't even tell what he said
I feel so terrible for that poor woman. That injury could’ve easily ended a lot worse and it’s terrifying to even think about. The amount of neglect, to be honest, is quite pathetic.
For the record they have nothing to do with it. They're just commentary hosts (in fact the girl was a Overwatch League host and now she hosts Valorant VCT).
The stream was Lenovo. People on their team are to blame.
Edit: By " *they* have nothing to do with it" I'm talking about the 2 hosts talking into the mic. Now stop spamming my notif and learn to read properly.
@@charlesm.2604 Twitch does have something to do with it if they run the event, you cant just approve a safety hazard in your own event and then not bare some of the blame
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If bots are can hijack a top comment I can.
CZcams needs to do something about all these bots. 90% of them are easy to tell at a glance that they're bots, so they should be able to implement something.
I had to report like 6 comments you replied to you. I don't report every bot I come across, but I do try. I am going to get RSI from doing so.
I thought the comment section was bad enough when it was filled with those repeated "nobody: absolutely nobody: [youtuber]: [youtuber quote]" type comments.
@@charlesm.2604 It's comparable to the Travis Scott concert. Yea his team was put in place to prevent the accident and make sure everything went smoothly but its his concert so he gets the brunt of the backlash and is held responsible
The worst part of this to me was watching Cuptoast's VOD on their experience at twitchcon. Hearing about how scared she was, that people were waiting inside her hotel lobby despite not having rooms to try to meet her and her friends, that she felt unsafe, that some people saw her without the box on inside the hotel and guessed her identity then tried to ask her to play uno with them, all of that was horrifying. Streamers shouldn't have to be "on" for 3 days straight, she should have been able to go to the hotel and rest, but some fucking weirdos were always waiting there.
edit: didn't know i'd have to explain this but please dont follow children to their hotels?? that's super creepy??? it's not about uno, it's about the fact that these weirdos were waiting for a kid outside a hotel for who knows how long. it's about the breech in privacy.
It’s also so fucking creepy because isn’t she only like 17?? It’s such an invasion of privacy and honestly kind of stalker-ish behavior
that's not on twitch though, hotel and personal security is on the streamer to get friends/hire security to prevent these things
I'm literally trembling rn because someone asked me to play uno with them, so this is very relatable.
@@DoNuTFal true and false.
What's wrong with wanting to play Uno? What if they just wanted to make friends?
The event was wild. A back injury is something you never fully recover from. She has a very strong case if she decides to sue.
yes you do, broke my back during PE class when i was 14 was absolutely fine 4 months later.... also from the fall she wouldn't have broken her back but her pelvis/coccyx
@@LoFiAxolotl depends how old you are and how much you can heal
Well, lower back injuries can be difficult to recover from when you sit down for a living. And it often can affect you again later when you're 40+.
@@LoFiAxolotl we got a doctor in the comments
She might not be able to, I believe they signed a waiver. To be fair I don't know what's on it
twitch staff also pulled a service dog (doing deep pressure therapy) off of a disabled person who had passed out, even though the dog was wearing a vest that said "do not remove from handler". that person ended up being unconscious for over a minute. even before this, the person who had fallen unconscious insisted multiple times that they needed to sit down in line or else they would pass out
Wow thats going to be a very interesting lawsuit
They also in general touched/pet the service dog, which anyone with half a mind should know is a big no-no. I feel awful for the person, their tweets made me furious on their behalf..
Why is such a person at a mass event ? Like stay at home if you can't handle it.
@@NoName-tr3vs It's a lot more fucked up when the Twitch staff removed the dog from them.
@@NoName-tr3vs I don’t know. Maybe because they had an aid, say, a service animal, that is trained specifically to help them if anything bad were to happen. And, maybe, they weren’t expecting said animal to be prevented from doing its job, because it’s never happened before, and they have no reason to assume anyone would do that. Every time something bad happens to a disabled person, people blame them for just being outside their house, even when they’d have no reason to assume they’d be unsafe (or at least not more so than anyone else attending).
The fact that someone broke their back from jumping into the foam pit just shows the amount of neglect by the organization that set up the foam pit.
You mean twitch?
not the first time she broke her back
@@hbsharkman no, lenovo set up the foam pit. They bought the space for the pit from twitch.
@@hbsharkman Looks like it's Lenovo
why even bother posting this comment, it says absolutely nothing, just a rehash of the video you just watched
The people defending twitch are like "well she jumped". I've never seen a foam pit in my entire life that is 2 feet deep with a concrete floor 🤦
If I built something, I would at least have a mat at the bottom.
right? what else are you supposed to do with a foam pit?
why are people even blaming twitch for this?
Well, we have seen things like this in the past, they were called traps. Instead of foam, they were covered with leaves and instead of concrete at the bottom there were spikes, but the principle is essentially the same.
Yeah, there are images of how it's supposed to be layered with foam padding and a trampoline below.
Another safety thing that stressed me out was during the food east competition. They had a “sabotage” that made them cook BLINDFOLDED, as in using knives and a stovetop blindfolded. That right there was a recipe for disaster and I’m shocked no one got hurt
WHAT
Omgush, that's insane Owo yee, tank gudness they all safe! X3 👍
Dear god, they could have maybe implemented it in away such as dark containers for ingredients and have to say how much you'll put in.
Something like that okay, but blindfolds come on
Something that happened to a friend of mine who went to Twitch Con: She's hard of hearing. And when there's a big crowd, like at a convention, it's hard to hear everything. There were moments when staff was trying to say things, and when she asked them to repeat them to her because of her disability, the staff straight-up rolled their eyes at her, as though she's at fault for not hearing it properly the first time. And there were issues with people in wheelchairs as well. Overall, disabled people were treated poorly at this convention.
as someone who has to say "what?" like 3 times until I can understand properly what someone has said, people rolling their eyes is just the every day experience, and especially in a situation where they are also stressed doing their job I don't think you can put big blame on them. Always try to look at it from all perspectives
(not talking about the wheelchair situation which was very bad obv)
@@kiiturii I'm the same way. It take me a few seconds more to process what people say to me that I usually ask ppl to repeat themselves just so I can verify what they said. It's definitely made ppl annoyed with me, but I've gotten so used to it. It only upsets me when they repeat themselves in an obnoxiously slow way. That's when my own attitude gets the better of me 😅
It's nice that Johnny Bravo cares so much about the issues in the streaming community.
I loved that stream where he did the monkey until the timer ran out
The hell is the point of making a foam pit...without an actual pit? That was a foam puddle.
that make it more dangerous than just the floor instead of falling flat you will drop on a uneven surface that will still be hard
Fun fact about that foam pit, Adrianna wasn’t the only person who got hurt. Another person dislocated their knee in it.
It's crazy to me that their were people who didn't go for fear of stalkers and Twitch said they would have security only for it to be confirmed that it was a good idea they didn't go and some people regretted going.
Back injuries are a life long issue that ridiculous excuse for a foam pit should never been approved im sure the bosses were so thrilled that organizer saved them a few bucks on extra foam..
At minimum they saved around 100 bucks on safety matts that usually go under the foam specifically to prevent these kinds of injury.
@@Alik_Odess There were mats, it was just an extremely unlucky landing
@@0106johnny if multiple people got injured then it wasn’t unlucky
@@0106johnny Normally foam pits are much deeper for this exact reason. It was a very hard floor
@@darkability1393 Foam pits like this are very normal at conventions and similiar events. There was gymnastics mat under the foam. It should have obviously been made clearer that you shouldn't jump into it though.
yeah that injury is probably gonna last for life. hope she recovers as much as possible
I mean, that wasn't the first time she got her back blown on camera
6 months to a year, said on her twitter
@@maurosiemens yes but any sort of back injury like that will hav lasting affects for the rest of ur life
@@funkahontas twitchcon did what porn never could lmao
@@funkahontas I swear this joke is being copy and pasted on every video to do with this
Im glad Mogul Mail is standing up for Ludwig. Really bringing the community together.
Here is the full clip : problem with twitch
czcams.com/video/mCfYi7634rU/video.html
the security guard at 7:55 basically just described every twitch viewer in one sentence
Dude, saying myth busted, without any evidence to prove myth busted, and ignoring the mounting evidence of it being factual is just mind boggling
Yeah, and they even asked her the question in the most charitable way that she could say something about how the team tries to make the best decisions in every situation or how they try to approach every problem from the ground up or something. And all she said was that. She completely set herself up for clips of that sound bite being memed with montages of every counterexample to her statement. Classic twitch mismanagement and lies
there was also a big security problem in the hotel that the streamers were staying at, this might've been only on the minecraft side but there were crowds of fans waiting in the lobby with their phones aimed at the elevator like they're paparazzi or something, and some fans even stayed in the lobby for hours trying to coax any streamers they saw to play games with them. a lot of faceless content creators had huge privacy issues bc of stuff like this and it kinda just shows a lack of care twitch has for their creators
yeah i saw crumb's stream about it, honestly awful
Sounds like most of these problems stem from Minecrafters and they're the ones turning right around complaining about twitchcon?
@@SwagJaws it shouldn't matter if they do minecraft content or any other kind of content. There is an expected level of privacy and safety that just isnt being offered by twitch. It's like a cop choosing to not protect a septic tank cleaner or a garbage truck driver because the cop doesn't like their occupation.
The problem isnt even the streamers themselves, its the 'fans' and people who want to make a quick buck with a candid picture of a streamer or get clout from taking a picture of/with one of them.
I get that some of the mc streamers these days are a little... Weird... But it doesnt mean they deserve to get harassed for 3 days straight.
@@SwagJaws that's not a very fair or accurate way to view this problem. this kind of problem will happen with ANY convention, ANY fandom. this is why security is necessary, because there's always gonna be the nuts and the people that overstep .
why do minecrafters think that hotel lobby security falls under twitch's responsibility? if streamers are in public it's on them to hire or arrange their own bodyguards or even have friends look out for them, you cant not take responsibility for personal security and also blame everyone else for being at fault
Another issue i heard about as well that if you see the creator Cuptoast at 5:16 , she wears that box head as a key part of her outfit (I believe she's faceless, not 100% sure) but staff was harassing her, and even threated to kick her out if she didn't take it off by the third day. She commented she felt very unsafe as well. :/
Then she should have left on the third day. Why stay and revealed herself?
@@QaDri93 Could be a number of reasons. She was a featured creator so it’s possible she might have had a panel, or plans or something on the third day, if you spent a lot of time and money planning to attend the con, I can imagine you wouldn’t want to just give up your whole last day. She could also be like many of the vtubers who are “ok” with being seen at cons, but still keep their faces on the down low.
I think she was allowed her box for photos and her actual events, it was just when she wanted to go around the con that she had problems, which could be another reason she toughed it out
@@QaDri93 anyways her staying or not shouldnt be the issue. The issue is that twitch didn’t notify her of these rules. it’s not everyday you get featured as a creator at twitchcon. It’s kinda hard to give something like that up. Would have been better for her to leave but yk.
So glad Twitch decided the myth of Twitch enforcing rules unevenly is busted. I was concerned they were enforcing things unfairly
MYTH BUSTED! that girl who had sex live? Naahh it's her first time, a week ban is more than enough... wait Erobb made a joke with his offline chat?!? Lock that guy in prison, he's a menace for our platform
as someone who has heard a lot about why people are mad, you've only scratched the surface as to why people are mad- for starters twitch getting aimsey's pronouns wrong are one thing, but when people tried to correct the pronoun mistake that twitch made, they muted, timed out, and deleted the messages of the chatters that were correcting it. it was essentially impossible for disabled people and especially people in wheelchairs to get around because of how things were organized, and the safety hazards, and i'm not even a little bit of the way through the things that went wrong. no blame on ludwig whatsoever for missing this, i just wanted it to be clear that the things ludwig is presenting here isn't all.
I figured there was more to the pronoun thing. Because someone who takes any pronouns is not being misgendered, especially not maliciously. It was probably the handling of the error that made people upset. People will make a bigger deal of something when the people themselves aren’t upset, which is frustrating. But there’s a way to handle it with tact. From all parties.
@@Michael-kp4bd as Ludwig said, it’s the fact that they ONLY listed their pronouns as she/her which made it come off as misgendering. While yes, Aimsey does use any pronouns, he doesn’t use only she/her pronouns. You get what I’m saying?
@@Michael-kp4bd also also, on their private, Aimsey said she cried, so your point of ‘the parties involved not being upset’ is just not true
I also saw that a few boxhead streamers like crumb were told on the 3rd day (the first 2 days were fine so idk why the 3rd day was so bad???) that they wouldn't be allowed to wear the boxes the whole time. Which is both uncomfy for them and pretty stupid since they should know about Dream, one of the MCYTers they had a bunch of security for, JUST face-revealed so they know what a big deal that stuff is.
Also crumb posted pictures of a booth that was straight up selling her art (and other people's meme art) without HER permission, so likely without any of the artists' permission too. I don't know if Twitch staff can moderate the artist alley stuff but that's a real scummy thing to do and it sucks that it happened at such a big convention
thank you
There was also the problem with drinks being spiked and several cases of SA happening at the event. One major one was with LewdWife. A faceless streamer named Crumb Cuptoast was forced to take their box head off for "security reasons" despite not being notified of the fact beforehand. They also got her pronouns wrong with Aimsey by the way. There was also one fan who stole Georgenotfound's water bottle. Disabled people were tramped on and Wheelchair users were pushed and shoved. Along with the people who camped at hotels where CCs were staying in.
A lot went wrong during twitchcon.
also stolen art was being sold at the artists alley, the NSFW shirt that a fan wore, someone got SA'D, some meet and greets had the accessibility line closed, and too many more problems to list
Drinks were spiked at the last TwitchCon too, you'd think they'd have learned since then.
Imagine talking about people's drinks being spiked and getting raped and you still think it's comparable that someone got called he instead of she, get a grip dog
Wait, Crumb? Like, the one who hangs out with CaptainSparklez and has the cat box head? That's pretty messed up.
@@Mrminesheeps that’s even more fucked up cuz I’m pretty sure she’s a child.
Twitch: we’re all about safety
Also twitch: *multiple people got injured*
So sad she will have to deal with that back injury and it's repercussions for the rest of her life... Back injuries are no joke, I hope she sues and gets her coin tbh.
You should have also mentioned how disabled attendees / wheelchair users were treated so horribly. Many disabled attendees were constantly shoved and pushed by others. They were being misled by the security to non-accessible entrances. So many people with disabilities were treated awful by both the staff and the other attendees.
Edit: I do understand that he mentioned this in the video. But it felt like he just glossed over some of these issues that these people had to face. There was more he should have talked about and I wish he did.
He literally did say that though
I agree. To be honest I feel like he really glossed over that. People were getting kicked out of accessibility lines and being denied their medical equipment, all while being demeaned by security… and Ludwig’s saying “Oh, it was all fun for the most part, but there were a fewww things wrong” as if the whole event wasn’t terribly handled. I think he missed the mark here
don't forget how security were also pulling on duty service dogs away from the person that needed them
@@caggie4477 jfc well guess who's never going to twitchcon lol.
Aren't you suppose to push people in wheel chairs?
"All about safety here." -Lies spoken live on twitch
I mean obviously it’s twitch con, the majority of people that attend these events spend their free time in their bedroom alone watching people play games on their computer.
TwitchCon Amsterdam was absolutely nothing like this. It was run incredibly well and everyone was very well behaved. Their accessibility team was also great. Two of my friends that I was there with were disabled and all of their needs were met (there was one instance where a staff member tried to ask my friend who is prone to fainting to stand up from where they were sitting down but the minute his supervisor saw what was going on she rushed over to tell the guy off and told my friend to sit back down). There were big streamers just wandering around with no security because anyone who recognised them was super chill about it. Americans are just a different breed I guess. Hopefully TwitchCon Paris next year is just as enjoyable as Amsterdam was.
Who would've thought that America doesn't really care about the people there..
Very insightful, also really weird that both you and that Ludwig guy are both going to twitch con
there's no way you watched the whole video already
2x speed baby
Yeah you are both on CZcams soo why are you there
@@Jubby4Iife you posted this comment 26 seconds after the video was uploaded
they didn't fight?
Ludwig's hair is brighter than Twitch's future
much brighter. . .
He looks like some sort of cartoon character, but I can't put my finger on which one...
My guess with the dream thing is they assumed he wasn’t going to show up because he doesn’t show his face, then they were blindsided by him doing the face reveal and couldn’t rework the venue
Really wished you touched more on the horrible accessibility accommodations. People were seriously affected by it, and it’s often a topic that is not acknowledged by people who are not disabled. There was a lot about it in the thread you referenced abt everything wrong with twitch con if I recall correctly. It’s especially important as a large part of the Minecraft fan base (a fair amount of the attendees) have formed a community that is full of neurodiverse, disabled people, and for twitch to not provide those proper accommodations is a huge oversight on their end
edit: also wanted to add that this is not to say the rest of what you touched on isn't true. In fact, I think a lot of it is extremely relevant and needs to be addressed. I know you are not a spokesperson for this subject in particular, and might not necessarily have the knowledge to speak on it in more depth, but I still would have liked to see more focus on it in the video, even if only through the lens of actual disabled people's experiences (as linked to in the thread)
edited again bc i realized I missed part of the video where he does touch on it briefly !! (4:40)
@Tye Tapene oh you're right, I just rewatched, I must've missed that. Still wish it was touched on a bit more, but I'll deffo change my wording ^^
Not to mention back injuries are pretty much guaranteed to be a life-long injury.
maybe in 3rd world countries with terrible health care... the rest of the world gets PT and is fine after a couple of months
there was also a faceless streamer cup toast (crumb) who wears a box, and was told that if she wore the box again they would take her pass and remove her from the convention.
Wait really? That's fcked up
@@zFrizzi yeah they posted a thread about it on their twitter account
That's so fucked honestly.
By the way the reason people are mad about the pronoun thing isn't just because they got it wrong (beacuse yeah it could've just been an innocent mistake) but also because they deleted chat messages of people correcting the mistake for them
Lud, you also missed a big one with Cuptoast who is on your screen at 5:09. She had a panel at TwitchCon. She is similar to Dream in that her face is not known and she is still a minor. Twitch told her she had to remove her box (mask) and threatened to kick her out over it several times. I get that it is for security reasons, but content creators should probably get a pass.
so are they celebrities and we should treat them as such? Meaning they lose a big portion of their privacy.... or are they normal people and we should treat them like that and have her take off the box? can't have it both ways
@@LoFiAxolotl or maybe that security should understand their job and know what's going on with their guests they invite and understand what they're asking, if a content creator doesn't want to show their face it should be respected by the company and they should have taken steps to respect this not inform her literally on arrival she's going to be forced to do basically a face reveal
also, crumb uses she/they pronouns so that's another thing twitch got wrong :,)
@@questlesss nobody gives a fuck bruv
@@LoFiAxolotl they should have told her prior that this would be required
Strong Homelander energy coming from ludwig when Kai clowned on him lmaoooo
Right?? Especially when he almost fake cried and said "I'm just dancing" that was exactly homelander lmaoo
What a level of empathy Mogul Mail has for the streamer named Ludwig. Truly heartwarming ❤
Still waiting for Lud to let me know I can open my eyes. Uhh getting home from work is gonna be interesting
I always watch till the end so I can hear Ludwig tell me bye 793 times
Another problem was that (i dont know if this happened to anybody else) a streamer was followed to their hotel room and ambushed to get selfies and autographs.
Edit: also this streamer is a minor
Thats so scary
omg.... thats terrifying
You clowns say “ooooh that’s scary” but end up doing the same thing to your beloved idol lmao don’t pretend you wouldn’t do the same like those “fans” in her hotel lobby
That is not an issue with Twitch whatsoever. That stems from creeps who watch twitch and obsess over streamers. Not twitch's fault in the slightest.
@@QaDri93 paparazzi should be banned for anyone really. Celebrities and idols should also not have to deal with. And also streamers especially CHILDREN streamers shouldn’t
you explained everything pretty throughly and thanks for that. btw the tweet you showed about twitch getting aimsey's pronouns wrong also mentioned crumb's pronouns being wrong, it goes to show this didn't only happen once. Other things I heard happen was fans following creators around and even waiting inside a hotel lobby to meet them. Someone apparently also dislocated their knee in the foam pit. Also, something I thought was funny was that twitch posted a picture of two creators and tagged the wrong creator in the photo on instagram, like sir those are your creators
the thing about the pronouns was not that they got it wrong but one people tried to correct it they banned and timeout them and he only talked about the surface the event was massively poorly managed
Damn mogul mail really cares for Ludwig, everyone needs a friend like that
Yeah I think the bag thing is legitimately a good ruling. I go to conventions a few times a year and every single one requires NO bags for the rave. So Twitch actually being pretty nice to you on the bag front.
Too bad the rest of it was not so nice.
Edit: people said Twitchcon has had it's shit spiked a few times so apparently they should be implementing a NO bag rule...
who the fuck brings a bag to a party anyway? No actual club in the world no festival no concert no sports game will let you bring a bag... and how lame do you have to be to want to bring a bag
Here is the full clip : problem with twitch
czcams.com/video/mCfYi7634rU/video.html
people has not need to hide GHB on a bag you just pit in your pockets its a pill or a small powder they should have just idk search people before entering most people dont hide thing in bag but on yourself since there gonna search your bag not you
How is that a good thing at all? If you guys are that constantly paranoid in the US, just make a bag-check before entering. Not that hard to do
@@DonDadda45 because bag checks take a long time for a couple thousand+ people and it's harder to find hidden items, like drugs used for spiking.
The cons I've gone to has a no bag rule for the rave, a quick pat down and a guard standing at the water cooler. Sometimes a metal wand and they'll make you put your items on the table but usually you just get a pat down and then enter.
It's not like you need a bag for a rave... They don't sell drinks they just have free unlimited water. If you want more food and water then you can leave and get back in line. It moves pretty quickly after the first hour. It's a convention, not a concert.
I don't know how Twitch con does it but you're not gonna die from having 1 dance without a bag. People with medical supplies are the only exceptions to the rule usually.
Usually it's only for dances not a full convention weekend.
bro i'm so sad i didn't get to see mogul mail at twitchcon. at least i saw ludwig
Plus how insanely ableist everything was! People in wheelchairs were just shoved into the same lines as everyone else which meant that they got pushed and shoved out of the way constantly (so fucking disrespectful) and people with chronic pain and illnesses were told they weren't allowed to sit in lines and even sent to the back if they stepped out for fresh air at any point (saving them from fainting or panic attacks). I also heard that someone with a service dog was treated just horrendously. Security removing the dog from the person during a task, touching the dog, saying the dog wasn't allowed, ect.
As a disabled person myself all of this made me very glad I wasn't able to attend and honestly fucking terrified for any other cons I might attend in the future.
It was nice to bump into you and take some photos ! The convention did have a lot of issues with security, dealing with crowds, making safe spaces for people with disabilities, checking IDs, checking bags, understanding the power of the amount of fans, and so much more that you spoke on.
I spoke to some of the blue shirt security at the event and they were hired the literal day before the event. None of them really knew who the “partners” were or what they do. All they knew was purple (partner) gets more access.
Here is the full clip : problem with twitch
czcams.com/video/mCfYi7634rU/video.html
Bro it's incredible how a company like twitch that not only was bought by the largest company in the world such as Amazon but also the past two-three years made over 40b in revenue and STILL it's catching L's left and right, like it is trying to implode the fastest way possible
Re: security timing: That's nuts! There are volunteer run cons that have much lower resources who still manage to have mandatory training sessions weeks or months in advance for specific issues that staff need to know about, from how lines and attendee flow are meant to work, to supporting people who need disability accomodation, to SA prevention and survivor support, to anti-harassment policy enforcement, to helping with people in medical distress, to just respecting people's existence as people. And they try to actively weed out security staff who don't demonstrate that they actually understood and want to apply the information in the training material written by committees made up of people from affected communities. They aren't perfect, but it's a good sight better than hiring people the day before. Like, have some standards, Twitch! People have been running conventions for decades and have learned a thing or two. Hire people who know what they're doing.
The room that they held the panel in actually had only a capacity of 174 - I was in the tiktok community event that they held just an hour beforehand and they had a sign at the wall that said maximum capacity 174. so they only left under 200 people in
I love seeing the interactions between the two communities
I worked at a trampoline park for about a year and a half. Our foam pits were 4 feet deep, and at the bottom was another trampoline, not a solid bottom. Never had any problems.
That sounds miles better than whatever this was lol
4 feet? so anyone shorter than 6 feet wouldn't even be able to stand in there... and getting out of there is nearly impossible.... sounds like a bit of a BS story there bud.... especially since after literally googling for 30 seconds you can see that the foam pits are usually around 1 feet deep
@@LoFiAxolotl You can't be a real person. There's literally no way. Yes, 4 feet. Ive been to trampoline parks. I'm 6'1. It can go up to your chest but ideally you'll never even hit the bottom. Have you ever been to one????
Compound fractures are always like that, they don't really hurt that much a few seconds after the impact, then you realize you can't stand up and something is really wrong.
Love the Kai clip at the end 😂😂 great vid
Wow... I feel like I've heard a LOT of hate for Twitch about what happened to Adriana, I've heard like NO chastisement on Lenovo for this, despite it being THEIR booth that THEY set up.
But twitch is ultimately responsible as the host.
@@Chris-de2qc But lenovo should be held accountable. Now you're defending lenovo by using twitch as a shield.
@@godlyvex5543 Lenovo had waivers that everyone who went in had to sign, that had instructions and warnings on them.... neither twitch nor lenovo are at fault but the people who willingly ignored the instructions and warnings and got hurt as a result
@@LoFiAxolotl Waivers are meaningless when a pattern of gross negligence is demonstrated…and it was. Wait for upcoming lawsuits.
the entire point of a foam pit is being able to jump/fall into it without injury, it's insane that they kept it open when it clearly wasn't safe.
that clip of u dancing at the end is perfect
She came so confident with that "Myth, BUSTED" like naw... she could have got roasted up there if certain ppl were asked about
as far as it getting "bigger" and them needing to learn how to handle it... honestly, 30k ppl in the San Diego center for Twitch when Comic Con runs over 160k in the same venue. Twitch needs to take notes
I feel so terrible for that poor streamer. They got so hurt because people made fun of their dancing. In all seriousness that’s fucked go and I hope she’s able to make a recovery and make a bag
I don’t know for sure, but from the way that Adriana was injured and the fact that she broke 2 bones, it sounds like a compression fracture which makes complete sense. I had a compression fracture injury similar to that that also broke 2 vertebrae and it left me paralyzed from the waist down, so I’d say she was incredibly lucky that her injury wasn’t that severe because it absolutely could’ve been. I have 2 rods and 8 screws that were implanted to support my spine after my injury and it sounds like she had to have a similar procedure to stabilize and support her spine. I’m glad that she’s relatively okay though and I’m glad that it wasn’t as bad as it could’ve been. That’s completely negligent by the people who put that out together in my opinion and it never should’ve been allowed.
So glad I subscribed to mogul mail on top of the regular Ludwig channel
Someone also dislocated their knee in the foam pit 😭
With the dream panel, creators were left out and he gave his seat so they could sit on it and make it in
Along with aimsey being misgendered so was crumb (she/they). And then wouldn’t let crumb participate in their things because she is faceless and wears a box head. They wouldn’t let her do things because of the box ??
And then the meet and greet lines were not facilitated properly and people were pointed in wrong directions and people waiting in the right line since 5 am got sent to a different place and no help.
Others were misgendered along with aimsey and crumb
Disabled attendees were pushed and trampled by both staff and other attendees.
Also where did the mask mandate go 😭?? Didn’t they say masks were mandatory ??
I feel like it was very unorganized and nothing was prepared properly tbh
You’re really about to hit a mogul million that was fast
ludwig looks like hes in his super saiyan arc. i hope he pulls thru.
i love seeing moist upload a video of a topic and then watch ludwig a few hours later about him talking about the same thing with the same energy
W video, only big streamer I've seen mention the accessibility/accommodation issues for disabled and chronically ill
I really hope Mogul Mail and Ludwig get to meet eachother at twitchcon, they give off similar vibes
Idk, not a fan of that Ludwig guy. Mogul Mail deserves better.
with the backpack thing, this is actually a problem for a lot of people! i have to bring backup meds with me everywhere i go and i can’t fit my meds and supplies in a fanny pack, so i HAVE to use a mini backpack and even then i’m low on space. along with the other accessibility issues at twitchcon it doesn’t surprise me, but i wanted to point that out because i know it may seem like not a big deal but it is an accessibility issue for a lot of people.
The reason for just a blanket ban of all backpacks is due to (well lack of proper) security. People can easily hide weapons in it. And instead of having a proper security check, theyll just go the easy way of banning them outright.
Similarly, food, drinks, medication... Technically speaking these could be used to poison or drug someone. Which puts others at risk.
Essentially, Security vs Accessibility. Which Again, I wish big events actually did proper security checks not only for safety but so accessibility would be better.
@@vj7248 yet it did not stop people to spike other people drink since you know you can just hide it on yourself what most people do since its more discret than you having a backpack oh and even a gun can be hiding under someone cloth that just bs
@@aoki6332 Exactly, that's why proper checks are actually useful rather than just banning backpacks.
But companies runnin the convention aint care, they hire cheap temp security and not debrief them on anything so arbitrary banning of stuff is the 'easy' road to take..... Def aint the safest.
@@vj7248 America moment
Was good meeting you Lud!
Bro got violated at the end
We need a creator clash between schlagg and mogul Mail
I called it that people would be really weird this twitchcon. It's been like 3-4 years since the last twitchcon theres a lot of people who havent seen how to act or havent been before.
The foam put one is actually insane neglect but the balloon one is understandable as with any sort of “sport” there are likely to be injuries even I myself broke my arm playing soccer
The ending sent me bruh 💀
So funny that the announcers were trying to down play it as best as they could when she was hurt in the foam pit! Lmao
The amount of ableism, neglect, and unprofessionalism at twitchcon this year was SO upsetting and angering
“Ableism” lmao
Lmfao u did not just say ableism
@@cringeginge7663 I dont think you know what that word means big man
@@rabbidpig3480 do you not know wtf ableism is or some shit, like ur the embarrassing one
@@cringeginge7663 Imagine getting mad at someone on the internet for saying “ableism”, as if people in wheelchairs weren’t trampled over by other attendees, and as if security wasn’t actively kicking people out of accessibility lines, and as if there’s a better word for the discrimination of disabled people. Average youtube commenter
Thanks for the last one
Nice video thanks for covering this respectfully
Johnny Bravo always giving us the deets on the Twitch drama. Thanks Johnny!
that last clip sent me LMFAO
@Mogal Mail I was working at the hotel next door to the convention space and in all honesty this convention had some of the worst visitors/attendees
Ludwig is so great at uploading at very convenient times while streaming and it actually shocks me how well he understands CZcams
@You must know YOu need to stop posting that video
@whaaa t We hate Make Air Fryer Potato Wedges Easy and Simple
Ludwig fans literally click this video and made up 2,000,000 views of it lol
I wonder if Ludwig will ever merge his secondary channel with this one
Whose Ludwig?
This man is invincible
Ludwig really took the walk to Poland with that dance move
i've _bonked_ my tailbone before, did it twice in two years when i was 12 and 13 respectively, the first time breaking my arm in half in the fall the second time very minor, but when you hit your tailbone like that it is legitimately one of the worst human experiences. your head swims, your vision blacks out, you're dizzy, experiencing severe vertigo, when I broke my arm with the pain as well i passed out multiple times, i distinctly remember _ringing in my ears_ so loud i was sobbing to a teacher to make it stop. 6 years later i still vividly remember that feeling, like your entire head is throbbing and you don't know where you are or whats happening.
I feel absolutely horrible for adriana, I imagine this experience is going to stick with her. the fucking lack of oversight is insane, i hope they get sued.
I mean seems like Twitch con was fun but poorly organized, the main thing that stands out to me was lack of safety and lack of accessibility for those who need it.
Here is the full clip : problem with twitch
czcams.com/video/mCfYi7634rU/video.html
heckin love this mogul mail guy
LMFAOOOOO the last clip
Great piece by Mogul Mail, with one exception. I don't remember him ever infiltrating Twitch Con... pretty sure that Ludwig Ahgren guy did though.
I was there about 10 people back from the front of the line all three days. (For those who were there, I was the person handing out the Cancer Support ribbons, nearly 1000 over the course of the Con.) The first group arrived about 4:30am, I was there by 5:30am every day. Friday was absolutely terrible from a line management perspective. Saturday was better, and Sunday was even better.
Friday they let us in at 8am and most of us wanted to line up to see Ranboo, Sapnap, GeorgeNotFound, or Karl so we went up the stairs to line up outside the Meet & Greet area. We did not jump any barriers, but went straight to where we wanted to be and waited in a long orderly line outside the meet and greet area. They did not direct us to the central badge pickup area, and I don't even think those doors were open yet.
At about 8:30, someone came and said that we couldn't be there yet, and we had to leave and go downstairs. Instead of leading the early morning line (in order) to the front of the other line, they made us go behind people who had arrived at the Con hours after we did. We were about 2 twists back in the rope drop area. When the rope dropped at 9am, we made our way quickly back to the meet and greet lines, but we were so far back that I was nearly last in line to see Ranboo, and the others who were hoping to see Sapnap and George (those lines were combined into one) didn't get to see them at all, despite lining up at 4:30am.
Friday's Dream SMP panel lines were a nightmare. After seeing Ranboo, I went to get in that line. People were lined up in an orderly fashion against the windows. I knew I'd be too far back to get into that little room, but I wanted to be in line anyway, on the off chance they took the whole line into a larger room.
Periodically, a woman with a clipboard would come by and say, "The line doesn't start until 1pm. There is no line. We'll just start the line with whomever is milling about at 1pm." I tried to have a conversation with her and explain that there was in fact a line, and she insisted that there was no line and she wanted people to disperse. I told her there was no place else they'd rather go, and that by denying the line she was turning the panel entry from "First come, first served" to "random mob chosen by Con staff" and she just repeated that there is no line. When she finally said, "Ok, now you can get in line" people rushed forward from the corridor, and that's when things started to get dangerous from a stampede perspective (keep in mind, many of these people had already waited in line 4+ hours to see content creators and were denied).
In the end, the people who had waited in line from the morning to get into that panel didn't get into the room, because the woman running it wanted to have her power trip about "this is not the line." It felt like she saw each person as the same as any other, not as individuals.
They did learn, and Saturday was MUCH MUCH better. Still not perfect, but on Saturday at least they had "The line for this room starts here" and "The line for this room ends here" signs, much like ComicCon, but without the ropes and multiple lines for the different panel start times. (At ComicCon they clear the rooms between panels, not so Twitch Con.) They were a little slow to form the 11am Meet & Greet line, and didn't tell us immediately where to go, so despite being nearly first in the morning, I picked the wrong place to wait initially and wound up about 100 people back in the meet and greet line. That was still close enough to get to meet Philza, luckily for me. They still had problems with people running to get to the lines, essentially negating the order of the early line up, but at least they didn't have the unsafe crowding conditions of Friday.
Sunday was better yet. They luckily realized that they'd have a problem with the Aimsey/Hannah/Cup/Nikki panel, which was in another incredibly small room, and this time, they came by and handed out green wristbands to the folks waiting in the outdoor line, so we couldn't get passed if security stopped us or if we didn't run fast enough.
So, Twitch did learn. Things did improve.
Most early morning people Sunday morning were planning to go straight to Twitch Rivals though, to be sure to get in to see George, Sapnap, Punz, and Foolish (among others) at 2:30pm Sunday. They waited in the arena all day for that show to save their seats. It turns out that it was possible to get a seat quite close to the start of that show. It also turns out that it was really hard to see anything that was going on from the ground at Twitch Rivals, and the big screen never showed GNF & Sapnap. The event started 45 minutes late and the announcer never even announced their entrance into the area. The announcer said the words Punz & Foolish once, and the crowd went wild, so he figured out that there was a cheering section for them, and then kept doing it, ignoring the other teams, including GNF and Sapnap, who I believe would have had an even bigger reaction. I'd have to go back and watch the VOD, but it was painfully sad from an on-the-floor experience, especially because I knew some people had been waiting since before 5:30am to be in that room.
Hopefully those people were close enough to the front to see what was going on with their eyes, because the big screen cameras were never on anything interesting, and weren't even on the people that the host was talking about. The host would describe things that we couldn't see were happening. I felt bad because people kept leaving. I started out 10 rows back, and had a 2nd row seat by the time I, too, decided to leave and check out the expo floor before it closed. The charades event was good, because we could see one team at a time and the commentary made sense, but the part prior to that was poorly produced, and I didn't stick around to see what happened after. I tried to explain to the woman with a clipboard that the reason the host couldn't get the audience hyped was because he was highlighting the wrong teams, and that GNF and Sapnap should get more camera time, and she told me that the fire martial wouldn't let them move the camera. That made no sense to me, as occasionally the camera would pan past them.
PS. Here's the cute video I got of Ranboo Carrying Aimsey on stage at the start of her panel. I'd hoped it would go viral, but it didn't. Still worth getting there at 5:30am for: czcams.com/users/shortsUZraUO-Q-C0?feature=share
The ending was great
The ending was the best part.
who thought that Ludwig guy migrating to CZcams would bring about the downfall of Twitch?
That LSF clip of the worker trashing everyone at twitchcon is funny and doesn't surprise me.
6:12 “myth, busted!”
Lmao, nope 😂
I saw you at Twitchcon when you came out with Hasan during Twitch Rivals! That was so funny, glad to hear you have fun and learn your perspective on the boycott.
Worth mentioning that Twitchcon Europe went without any problems...