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The thing with twitch is that the ads make you miss a ton of content. You could miss a joke or the final match of a tournament and you can’t rewind.
true,,,,
yeah all they need is a rewind feature and then the ads wouldn't be that bad or some option to pause the content during ads, and then watching at 1.25x speed until you catch back up.
they should add reminder to streamer that an ad will play soon so streamer can stop or take a break while the ad run
@@MoxieHavok This exactly. Give me the option to rewind the stream and change playback speed right in the livestream like on CZcams.
Not having to go to the Videos tab of that channel and click on the VOD of that livestream which doesn't even update its length until you refresh it again.
@@nadzrulazim they do have this but only if the creator has the twitch “creator manager” tab open.
It's amazing how Mogul mail can sneak into Ludwig's office and not get caught over and over again
Nah, Ludwig is sneaking into his.
@@MTDNinja99 we'll never know
Ludwig was killed by mogul mail yesterday… he cant get caught anymore
@@dubbo9224 can you explain?
@@skanthecloud7891 czcams.com/video/z1Bj6Xzzseo/video.html
Im so glad mogul mail is over 1 mil. I love when small, up and coming creators get big!
This joke and all the other one note jokes on others channels ie Destiny is a girls name are so tiring. Yall are basically bots at this point
PFFFFFT now that is how you do a joke
@@GlizzieMcGuire they just wanted to make someone laugh! i dont think it’s such a bad thing haha
@@GlizzieMcGuire It’s a running gag with his channel and channels like this. I don’t see why it’s such an issue. I get where your coming from but that’s where the beauty of the platform comes in because you can just scroll and pretend you didn’t see it
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I honestly am not that interested in news like this, but the way Ludwig is able to make this news seem interesting makes me absolutely love these vids and i keep watching them. You can really see Ludwig has the talent of a good news reporter. Keep up the good work, im lovin it!
Who's ludwig? This is mogul mail
@@EtymTV Idk either. This commenter is clearly insane. If they said "Mogul Mail" instead of "Ludwig" though, I could get behind that. Mogul Mail is very talented.
@@Frosty-zd4rl what is this “Ludwig” you guys are referring to
@@armored_guy Why are you asking me? I just said I didn't know...
@@Frosty-zd4rl yeah but I was womdering if you know what a “Ludwig” is? Is it perhaps a type of disease or maybe a sex object per chance.
So proud of Mogul Mail for his really fast channel growth and now he's able to do ad sponsorhips
guess he's not a one take jakeblakecake anymore
He just ran a sponsorship because he messed up the take and didn’t want to do it over again.
I agree. I do think he is piggybacking off of ludwig tho. They do look really similar
@leaked footage JESUS youtube needs yo get rid of you assholes
Add on top of that the fact he has no dislikes! Damn!
Damn he’s really out here grinding videos for this channel…
At this point I’m convinced he’s the puppet master for all of this drama so that he can consistently upload to hit 1Mil subs ☠️
Good point
My biggest issue with Shorts is not knowing how they effect other videos you post. Because a short does really badly, does that mean my next youtube video is gonna do badly? Similar to how if a regular video does badly, the algorithm is less likely to push your next video, or what I've experienced in the past.
If your content is real good people will watch just keep goin 🙏
I think some channels have hedged their bets there by having a separate shorts channel
@@bahhumbug5467 not as simple if it gets less views one time you could be doomed by youtube and lose a large part of revenue its really risky
No, shorts and videos are not related at all. They're algorithms don't affect each other
Congratulations for 1 mil Lud! Very impressive, especially for a side channel. I'd also like to add that this channel is one of the most informative, interesting, and well-made news channels that I've ever watched. Thanks for everything!
what do you mean? this is mogul mail, not ludwig
Who is ludwig? This is mogul mail lol
who is lud?
It's basically a second main channel at this point since the content are very different.
i actually really appreciate your breakdown of this bc as a viewer ive been a bit confused and not understood the ad incentive program and why it’s so appealing to so many smaller streamers but your explanation made total sense, thank you!
Nobody gonna scroll down to find a news streamer that got 0 views than endure the 30 seconds ads that twitch force you to watch.
@@lederniertigredamerique2525 i meant appealing in the revenue they can get from it which would definitely be helpful for people with smaller communities and lower subcounts. i don’t love the idea of the ads either so i wasn’t sure why so many streamers were talking about the ads incentive until this video because lud explained how it works, that’s all i was saying
Thank you Rocket Money for helping Mogul Mail man get money back from the Ludwig Invitational
Rip 150k
Im excited for mogulmails first stream tommorow
This channel has to be one of the best on the platform, thankyou for keeping us updated ludwig!
Ludwig? Who’s Ludwig?
Ludwig has brown hair
The best in spreading misinformation and lies you mean ? Still no update regarding how all the Bayonetta 3 VA claims have been found out to be lies.
@@NoName-tr3vs ludwig never said anything about bayonetta tho?
You've become one of my favorite CZcamsrs in a period of 2 weeks. Good shit. Absolutely hilarious and informative!
Comment after watching
definitely better than Ludwig
if you enjoy mogul mail you may like this small youtuber named ludwig
You’ll probably love this one smaller streamer/CZcamsr, Ludwig!
Check out Ludwig, very underrated youtuber
The 4K videos being strictly for premium users makes sense from a business stand point since the only real marketing point for premium was the "No ads" thing which could be blocked by ad blockers anyways so making a video resolution special to premium only makes sense since you can't really get around that (at least that I know of) and it'd give someone a real reason to join rather than just downloading a free ad block program
Although it doesn’t mean much…. YT premium also is good for phone users because it lets you turn your phone off with the video still playing
@@dbombyo very true! That is the reason why I even used Premium in the first place.
@@dbombyo CZcams revanced od Android does work 😉
4k videos behind paywall it's not big deal anyway. There are tons of users who have barely 1080p screen or internet so bad 4k wouldn't even load.
Also if you don't have like 80inch TV and you sit right in front of it you can't tell that big of a difference between 1080p and 4k.
@@dbombyo On Android that is still possible for free with CZcams Vanced (I know they shut down but the app still works). And I think there are already others that do the same. For me the only reason to get youtube premium would be for 4k on my TV but honestly I will just watch at 1440p and leave it at that.
Love this channel. I love sources were people really inform people about things they know.
It's great news that mogul mail has finally taken over Ludwig's channel. About time.
“Competition breeds innovation” - LudCapitalist
Hassan ain’t gunna like this
Great Job Mogul Mail on hitting 1 Million in such a short time you deserve it
1 mil subs in a year is a great accomplishment. Keep doing what you're doing, the content is amazing.
The benefit of shorts channels and vod channels was that I could choose which ones to subscribe to and control what ends up in my subscription feed. Will be very interesting to see if I can get a similar level of control with everything in different tabs but all on one channel
Link to the clip : This is the best platform :
czcams.com/video/mCfYi7634rU/video.html
Yeah I don’t care about shorts and hate them in my subscriptions
Apparently it's already an option to have Shorts not show up in your viewers subscriptions feed. I've only seen one channel do this. Though to be fair, I'm not sure if it's a universal feature or one of the ones that youtube rolls out little by little to a small portion of youtube channels.
If that's not the case, then youtubers are either not enabling that option because they don't know about it/where the setting is located, or they don't care to hide Shorts from their subscribers.
If only CZcams started moderating shorts and comments on shorts that right now look A LOT like a bastard child of Twitter and 4chan.
The cancer is real in there.
yeah, maybe if they added the same 3 screens for your subscription feed with livestreams, videos, and shorts with their own tab, maybe that could work?
Personally I like mogal mail better than main channel it keeps me up to date on things I love!
other chanal?
what do you mean the main channel? their is only one mogul mail.
Because his content there had changed ever since he left Twitch permanently. More generic, not what he had grown off of.
nah fax
What other channel
That sounds great! I hate fishing through the piles of shorts to find a few full length videos here or there.
CONGRATS ON 1 MIL!! :D
Wow I can't believe this mongol mail lad made it this far from scratch, truly an inspiring success story.
Link to the clip : This is the best platform :
czcams.com/video/mCfYi7634rU/video.html
Mongol Mail should do some throat singing 😂😂
I get the joke and all... but like he did tho didn't he? like it was all him all along lol 😆
mongol mail is a dude ludwig wouldn't even dream of being since he doesn't even know mongol
People always ask how ludwig does that with his fingers, but mongel mail will make ur toes curls
Would like to add some info on the ad rev for Twitch:
It varies depending on which region your viewers are from. 95% of my viewership is from the Philippines. Twitch offers me in the range of 100-150 usd a month for 7min/hour.
A similar-sized streamer (US Based, same follower/viewer count as me is being offered 800-900usd a month for 5min/hour
One question do they also have to stream the same amount of hours that month? Because it says "run X min of ads X amount of hours".
If you're watching a stream and have the opera browser, you can do a workaround by popping out the smaller muted video of stream, unmuting it, muting the ad and then enlarging the popped out image. It allows you to both see and hear the stream as the ads play in the background
Unfortunately, only like 0.6% of people who browse the internet use Opera, and even less use Twitch.
@@RGC_animation yeah, I guess I'm in a very small minority here. I just wish people would give other browsers a shot besides the default one on their device
I think if streamers included the ad structure into their stream format this could really incentivize people to subscribe/ get turbo. For the duration of the ads the streamer could momentarily pause the activity they are doing & the ad break could be used to actively chat & interact with the chatters for the whole time. Subscribers feel better cause they get to interact with the streamer, non subs feel better cause they’re not missing out on content, and twitch is happy because money. Basically just turn the ad time into community & chat time.
Let's say you are fighting an intense boss battle, and someone in chat says there's an ad, well you pause the game and start chatting with your chat, and after the ad, you continue fighting the boss battle like nothing happened, it isn't gonna affect much anyway.
@@RGC_animation I more so mean that if streamers are given the option of when the ad break takes place they can strategicly place it during the less important parts of the stream or after something important. For example they could put it right after the boss fight, shoot the shit with subscribed chatters for a couple minutes, while non subs just chill out & watch some ads knowing they’re not really missing out on any content.
@@moneyonsquirtle oh okay cool so then how do you go about deciding when you want to take an ad break? What do you do during that time?
@@MacNSteeez Oh I was actually replying to the guy above but yeah.
@@moneyonsquirtle yeah I think that what I’m talking about would give streamers the flexibility to grow without interrupting the viewing experience - especially new viewers. Last thing you want as a growing streamer is a new person seeing an ad first time they click on your stream. They’re a lot more likely to turn it off at that point.
The way I’m suggesting ads work is the streamer gets to decide when the ad break is & if there’s ads for first time viewers, how long the ad break is - all of that. Give the streamer complete control of the ads so that they can work around them instead of interrupting the content for an ad break. Give them a minimum (&a bonus if they exceed it) they have to hit in terms of ad time for the month but let them have free reign in terms of how they hit it. This way the responsibility of making sure the ads aren’t disruptive is on the streamer rather than twitch. Which in turn makes the viewing experience much better for everyone imo.
I've actually been watching these videos as well as MoistCritical's for information on streaming platforms, because I'm currently trying to decide where to start based on what will work best for me, and it's crazy how much things have been changing over the last few months. This video has been incredibly informative, thank you. And early congrats on 1 million subs, dude! 🎉
To grow I'd suggest twitch and using shorts and tiktoks to announce you're live, CZcams isn't friendly to new players in the field for growth, twitch is pretty friendly and tiktok is very friendly, use twitch and tiktok to build an audience that you then bleed into CZcams, CZcams being the end goal for "stable" growth I'd say, but if you are doing exceptional on a platform I'd focus on that one
Where to start? CZcams but keep in mind, it won't work out.
@@ElisArid Why would anyone watch her tho?
Post your clips on tiktok and try to get your viewers to post your clips on tiktok
Obviously it's an amazing method seeing as how successful Adin Ross and Speed are
Stream on both and post CZcams highlights.
Really appreciate how you handle referring to other channels. Use a clip to get a point across, and then tell people to check it out. Nice and simple. Just also put the links in the description in the future!
He will soon be on the level of the Pepega react lord staring blankly at a video for 20 min and closing it without a word
This man just became the enemy of Ludwig
Congrats on 1mil subs lud!
So glad to see Mogul Mail is growing, that other youtuber Ludwig won’t be able to keep up at this rate
Little add on: a Big part of the issue with the x min of adds per hour is also that they’re automated so they’ll interrupt a stream at bad times with the creators not having any control of when it’ll happen which will ruin the experience for everyone involved… (as I understand it at least)
Streamers can preemptively run ads when it's more convenient for them and that will cancel the next ad break from what I've heard
Good to see that Mogul Mail is growing so well. Love the format. Now on twitch issues with the apps, why don't they add a feature that notify the streamers when the ads are going to start and this way the can take a break and not interrupt the stream for everyone that is watching at that time.
Unless the streamer pushes the show ads button themselves, everyone watching are going to get the ads on different time. Fairly sure it's a "amount of time watched" trigger that pushes mid-rolls on viewers.
So proud of mogul mail getting his first ad, he's grown up so fast 😥
I've always found it odd that Twitch makes you watch an ad when you enter a stream. Seems like it would discourage people from giving something a chance or browsing around if they know they'll immediately have to watch an ad.
Like 50% I never watch twitch. I have a hard time just dropping into a stream unless I have a very specific reason to be there (special event, I know them irl, some kind of drop) and when the first thing I see is 50 seconds of ads I’m usually just gonna dip
CZcams: o_o
Imagine if there's a small percentage of people who only know Ludwig from mogul mail
@Chad 007 find a better way to advertise 😐
Um, what? How are these two linked in any way?
@@tkteens Ludwig is the host of mogul mail it's in the tags "#Ludwig"
@@Norther no way, you mean mogul mail is LUDWIG? Ha, nice joke, but no way buddy
@@tkteens LMAO
Congrats on 1 mil Mogul Mail. Very nice milestone
Damn Ludwig should take notes, this mogul mail guy is good.
I don't think that guy who only does react content has enough creativity and journalistic chops to deliver quality information like this and make it entertaining. He just laughs at tiktoks and thinks its good enough for a video.
Any way to have the ad read at the beginning? I feel one of the big things that is appealing about Mogul Mail is the almost stream of consciousness pace. Having the ad cut in the center throws it off, or maybe it was because it right after “and now I’ll play a few seconds of this video” into an ad. I’m very happy that this channel has grown enough to have ad sponsorship, maybe just test around to not break the flow? ❤
I'm glad to hear that livestreams will be separated! As much as I like sykkuno and lilpichu they never unlisted their livestreams
Man I love mogal mail! It would be so cool to watch him do more casual stuff, like watching TikToks or playing games : )
Yeah, I wish he had a second channel where he would do that stuff. He would also make a good streamer, too!
Funni mank
I wish he'd get naked more often, too!
Congrats on 1mil 🎉🎉🎉
One streamer I watch did the 3mins ad and made it work with his chat. When it was time for ads he stopped gaming or doing any content, took that time to grab a drink or use the washroom, he really made it work and his chat loved it. Twitch took away the 3mins option so he went back to 1 or 2mins until they give him back the 3min option.
I didn't know Twitch Turbo was still a thing, if it still works the same as a few years ago then that's an amazing deal. I pay £12 a month for CZcams Premium so paying half that for no ads on a platform where people spend a lot more time per month is straight up value.
Small thing, I appreciate that these videos are very raw and clearly filmed shortly before upload. Noticed the Twitter trends aligned with tonight’s football games. Thanks Mr. Mail!
He prides himself on filming every one of these in one take. No cuts at all. It's a very impressive skill.
Can't believe Mogul Mail just killed Ludwig.
Congrat on your first ever 1Mil sub Mogul Mail
it’s so crazy how many things he’s been able to do and accomplish after making the switch to youtube, best move he could have ever made especially since twitch is swiftly killing their platform. youtube needs to start capitalizing more on twitch’s mistakes and make big upgrades to the live streaming and shorts so more streamers will come to youtube.
CZcams will go the same route once they have monopoly........... thats capitalism for you.
CZcams's revenue is down and that is after they have paid all of these streamers big contracts. They are not getting a return on investment and will stop investing in live streamers. Why hasn't Lud convinced QT to move exclusively to CZcams? Because it's all about the contract, otherwise he's be on Twitch.
Do they really have to if Twitch is doing what it's doing?
@@MarginalSC yeah, twitch acts like they have no competition, so they don’t really care what they do to the platform because it’s the biggest streaming site on the internet. just like nba2k they have no competition to make they’re games good because they’re the only basketball game that comes out every year so they know people are gonna buy it no matter what, atleast a big majority of people are.
Dude I’ve been with this channel since day one, wild to see how much it’s grown!!
Link to the clip : This is the best platform :
czcams.com/video/mCfYi7634rU/video.html
Ayyy you hit 1 mil subs on this channel, congrats!
CONGRATS ON 1M LUDWIGGG
Nice haircut Mogul Mail! Hopefully Ludwig doesn’t copy it again…
@Chad 007 LOL, bro had to turn his botting program off
Keep it up Mogul. So glad that for the first time you can finally for the first time feel 1 million subs for the first time.
Congrats on 1M!
Susan be fuming lmao
YT recently sent me down the Ludwig rabbit hole, and I gotta say I'm loving the videos it keeps shoveling at me. But since I'm apparently jumping through several years of Ludwig (and QT) content at random, the constant hair color changes are really jarring. Like, for Lud and longtime viewers it changes very infrequently and apparently due to unlucky wheel spins or challenge losses. But for me Lud's hair color is on shuffle. It's not actually a problem, but it makes for a pretty goofy "newly found youtuber deep dive" experience.
Who is Ludwig
@@account-yi2cn I think they're mixing up the mogul mail guy with ludwig.
Congratulations on 1 million subscribers! Keep up the great work!
finally they have multiple tabs for videos, streams, and shorts, ive been asking for this for years, my most waited feature
The idea of a slider is prolly best, it allowed the people who want to fan experience to keep it low and the people who want to make money to bump it up to 10m.
I know a few streamers that use this to fill in time when they go on breaks or have an intermission while setting up to do something else. It's not for everyone, but the right people can make it work without just stopping what they are doing to run a 10m ad for the fk of it.
The thing is it doesn't have to be a continuous ad break. You can do a 2-3 minute break every 20 minutes to stretch/ get water / use the restroom etc and just fit it into your content. With how many people do content that's based on matchmaking like League of Legends, Valorant, Tarkov, Overwatch etc it's SUPER easy to reasonably fit them in without having viewers that aren't subbed missing content.
5:59 I think the easiest way for creators to benefit from this would be simply by using it as an excuse for the health of themselves and chat to take a little break from sitting there watching a stream for hours on end uninterrupted. "Hey Chat, I'm going to take a little break and stretch/pee/get a snack. I'm gonna run a little (3 minute) ad." Chat is either going to: block the ads with an adblocker anyway, hang out for 3 minutes while the ad runs, or do the same thing. I know advertisers don't really want that because they want people to be exposed to the actual ads, but if people just walk away from their computer then basically if an ad is playing in the forest and nobody is around, does it still make a sound?
Let advertisers pay for people to just walk away, if they're going to force people run them to get any money. Advertise to my empty room and chair.
I guess CZcams deleted the link I posted, but I made a video out of these comments and uploaded to my channel and to TikTok.
The split youtube tabs are SO GOOD unfortunately the way yt works and its weird random rollouts, idk how many people have it yet. I have it on both mobile and desktop, but asking around there's still people that still don't have the feature
Gratz on the 1 mil 🎉🎉
Mogul mail tryna feel like our dads today
I always thought the twitch ads thing to be positive, ever since they first rolled it out for some partners in June. The creator can choose to do it manually or automatically, and if they do it automatically, they can also choose the number of ad breaks, they can choose when these ad breaks happen, and they can choose the duration of said ad breaks, it allows them to have some control, even if the minutes per hour doesn't change.
However, I also do the increase in minutes per hour isn't great. 1, 2 and 3 minutes were already a lot originally, less than youtube, but still a lot for live content. Now 5 minutes? 8 minutes? That's way too much.
For 8 minutes, if you split it in 30 seconds ad breaks, that's 16 ad breaks an hour. And if you split it in 2 minutes ad breaks, that's still 4.
i think more than this, it's 8 minutes of content you miss. the streamer doesn't pause what they're doing during an ad break unlike cable TV. and twitch isn't like youtube that allows you to roll back the vod while watching the stream; you have to go to the actual vod itself and watch what you missed which makes you miss what's happening in real time, and it's a whole problem.
"Facebook is not tall enough to ride this ride".
Took a decade to finally hear that, but it feels good, man.
Congrats on
1m lud
999K subscribers 1MIL here he comes. From a small creator to a giant power house we proud of you mogul mail
This was the best Twitch Turbo advertisement I've ever seen. Thank you CZcams streamer Ludwig Ahgren!
Congrats on 1 Mil!! 🎉
congrats on 1 million. long time comin
So excited for the next marketing monday lud!!
he finally did it
this channel now has sponsors
keep it up king
Link to the clip : This is the best platform :
czcams.com/video/mCfYi7634rU/video.html
He needs the money for content lol.
Congrats on 1 million subs on Mogul Mail!
For the dedicated shorts channels, CZcams could merge them with main channels. Like they did for music artists, bringing all their music over the website into one channel
I personally feel like the pre-roll ads on streams are the most egregious part. If I'm hopping between people trying to see who I want to watch, being bombarded with ads just makes me click off of twitch instead of sticking around. I won't mind an interruption if I know it's good content for me but struggling to even figure that out sucks
I think the three tabs on CZcams are good, but how will it affect the sub-box? I am someone who almost exclusively uses it do you think there will be a way to not have vods or shorts for example show up in the boxes? I am subbed to all your channels so it's not a problem, but would lessen clutter for vods.
Shorts are already a separate tab atleast on mobile, the problem is that vods and regular videos are chunked into one
Link to the clip : This is the best platform :
czcams.com/video/mCfYi7634rU/video.html
Congrats on 1 mil!
Congrats on hitting 1 mil 🎉
I love Mr. Mail’s vids! Always fun and informative! 🎃
Link to the clip : This is the best platform :
czcams.com/video/mCfYi7634rU/video.html
I'm amazed that the Mogul Mail guy managed to get Uncle Roger to do his ad read.
I fount this channel a couple of weeks ago and I love it
Someone cute complimented the color of my mint Mogul hoodie today and started a conversation so thank you for helping me out with that I'm bring this W back to the community
this is insane lud!! i remember when you started this channel and it’s came so far. congrats on 1M, mogul mail!
CONGRATS ON THE MILLY MOGUL MAIL. I CANT BELIEVE THE FAST SUCCESS OF THIS SELF MADE CHANNEL
The main reason I don't watch twitch isn't the ads themselves, but the lack of regulation for them. Literal unskippable ads when I hop into a stream or a random ad in the middle of a tense or exciting moment makes me immediately leave. So if you allow the streamers to choose when and how many ads are played, I will watch twitch 100x more than I do.
Like, just imagine if you were watching the super bowl or the world cup and they could just play an ad at any random time, there would be literal riots.
Good to see that journalism degree finally paying for itself
HOW YOU GONNA JUST KILL LUD LIKE THAT MAN
CONGRATS ON ONE MIL🎉🎉🎉
and remember, stay luddy 😎😎
Congrats on a mill🎉🎉
Been with you since the very beginning mogul mail I'm so proud of you
It's actually insane how fast this channel grew. 😆
@@ezziesmash Maybe because he made a trailer and all and shouted it out, and good informative content in general.
Ludwig is the master of making a small channel into a big one in a small ammount of time, one of the best contents from youtube is right here.
Congrats on 1 million Mail Man
congrats on 1m Mr. Mogul Mail
You killed Ludwig
This mogul mail guy is effortlessly cool
Congrats on 1 mil
The ads thing is interestingly in the UK, TV is limited to 7mins of ads per hour. It’s liveable but people do skip them
Mogul Mail running ads now, so proud of him. I'm sure Ludwig's jealous of him.
Man killed it with that stream. I bet this mogul mail guy can beat that washed up streamer Ludwig at pogostuck