Why Twitch is Better Than YouTube… For Now.

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  • čas přidán 7. 10. 2022
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  • @SB737
    @SB737 Před rokem +2876

    The pages for finding streams is definitely something that CZcams needs to work on the most and make simpler

    • @DeSlagen8
      @DeSlagen8 Před rokem +9

      Nostalgia guy 😢

    • @coreyhsGames
      @coreyhsGames Před rokem +14

      Yeah 100%, most of the livestream pages are full of random streams, especially Minecraft with those Monster Highschool streams.

    • @vatm0
      @vatm0 Před rokem +1

      yoooo sb

    • @Matibag
      @Matibag Před rokem +3

      for real i cant even find the live button

    • @theagpgshow
      @theagpgshow Před rokem +1

      hi sb

  • @paulkrauss2628
    @paulkrauss2628 Před rokem +7433

    The one thing that shines through in all of these videos is how passionate Lud is about improving CZcams as a streaming platform. I love how passionate he is about this.

    • @TomPi142
      @TomPi142 Před rokem +184

      who is lud

    • @Tigeradvenchrer
      @Tigeradvenchrer Před rokem +215

      @@TomPi142 exactly, I only know Mogul Mail

    • @Sapreme
      @Sapreme Před rokem +9

      very passion

    • @SkateFallen1424
      @SkateFallen1424 Před rokem +10

      also dont forget about how passionate he is

    • @Pig_Memes
      @Pig_Memes Před rokem +19

      @@Tigeradvenchrer ya same, who is this lud person????

  • @T1J
    @T1J Před rokem +754

    the fact that they still call it CZcams Gaming is proof they are years behind

    • @user-pn7un8vu6e
      @user-pn7un8vu6e Před rokem +3

      Soo..... What should they call it ??

    • @janm.4496
      @janm.4496 Před rokem +92

      @@user-pn7un8vu6e Live?

    • @xyzqsrbo
      @xyzqsrbo Před rokem +51

      @@user-pn7un8vu6e a large part of twitch streaming is the IRL section, not just gaming

    • @MichelePonte
      @MichelePonte Před rokem +15

      Same problem with Meta: Facebook gaming

    • @TheOrangesEverywhere
      @TheOrangesEverywhere Před rokem +1

      @T1J
      Sorry If I'm wrong but wernt you like a libertarian or something a few years ago, apologies if I'm wrong.

  • @GamerNonGamer
    @GamerNonGamer Před rokem +1525

    It's funny because Ludwig is right and wrong at the same time about the first stream he sees (Kiara). She is not a Japanese streamer and streams almost exclusively in English, but her channel's region IS set to Japan just like every Hololive channel regardless if they stream in Japanese or not, so it actually SHOULDN'T be showing up in the tab for his region.

    • @cabbage_cat
      @cabbage_cat Před rokem +240

      My educated guess is that the algorithm finds that she has a large US based viewers despite her channel is set to Japan region so it decided to show her stream on top.
      "Oh, this 'Japanese' channel is viewed by people in your region so much, maybe you'd be interested in this channel" kinda thing.

    • @SeeMyDolphin
      @SeeMyDolphin Před rokem +207

      @@cabbage_cat It says outright, right on his screen: "Sorted by most viewers in your region"
      The sorting feature (at least in this instance) is clearly working as intended, and Ludwig is completely misinformed in this example.

    • @cabbage_cat
      @cabbage_cat Před rokem +37

      @@SeeMyDolphin that confirms it then, what I would say is that it's a really cool algorithm to find what's popular on your area
      it's a cool variable aside from sort by view count, category, etc

    • @requiemforameme1
      @requiemforameme1 Před rokem +2

      Probably has to do with ads. Geico and Nvidia don’t wanna spend money on impressions that go nowhere.

    • @MysticFNW
      @MysticFNW Před rokem +9

      you mean mogul mail?

  • @cooper.2
    @cooper.2 Před rokem +2596

    As a more passive viewer that only goes on streams to watch what is going on without ever chatting, I find CZcams way better just for the video player. Being able to pause, go back and resume where I left, even on my phone, and without addbreaks is so much more enjoyable.

    • @BjornsTIR
      @BjornsTIR Před rokem +47

      idk, it annoys me more than it helps. If I quickly join a stream that is essentially a podcast, and I want to watch the whole thing later, it starts later and often resets to that point when you reload.
      Despite the higher bitrate, image quality is also worse thanks to youtube's compression

    • @megumin2137
      @megumin2137 Před rokem +34

      @[卐]Lakehuntist ⸜⁄ you sure are kid now go back to nursery and stop typing on internet

    • @justsomeone1073
      @justsomeone1073 Před rokem +51

      Agreed. I find that yt has always been better to view things from than twitch. Only thing Twitch has on yt for the watching experience is the small tab video thing on mobile for free which yt makes you pay up to use. Though Twitch with its 4 30 second ads kind of negates the joy of that

    • @grimmb3686
      @grimmb3686 Před rokem +48

      Yeah, I tend to struggle with hearing things properly, so being able to go back a couple seconds and hear the funny joke I didn’t understand is a lifesaver

    • @angelvu
      @angelvu Před rokem

      @@grimmb3686 literallyyyyy I am so slow and I need to rewind 😂

  • @ramontavaresdacruz2256
    @ramontavaresdacruz2256 Před rokem +1164

    CZcams should hire this guy, he seems to know a lot about streaming

    • @MysticFNW
      @MysticFNW Před rokem +17

      Facts I love my guy mogul mail

    • @sanuthweerasinghe7825
      @sanuthweerasinghe7825 Před rokem +12

      actually, i think the streamer ludwig is more experienced than this guy

    • @echung168
      @echung168 Před rokem +1

      Not just companies like YT/Twitch but all companies need harsh criticism to always do better. We love to hear and talk about the good points but never the bad points. These kind of comments is what can make a platform better and improve what is currently in place. So I do agree with you, YT should have Lud as a board member or give him better incentives because of his criticisms that can help YT or any other platform be better.

    • @moxiemaxie3543
      @moxiemaxie3543 Před rokem

      He doesn't want to work for yt. You don't actually know him, do you? Hire him for what?

    • @icedtohfuu9555
      @icedtohfuu9555 Před rokem +3

      @@moxiemaxie3543 I think he only said that because CZcams is so not in touch with what everyone, viewers and content creators alike, wants and needs. It really feels like they're not giving much to hear the voices of what runs their company.

  • @Stevonicus
    @Stevonicus Před rokem +387

    All of KFP showing up to tell Lud that Kiara speaks English is funny

    • @LemonCloud420
      @LemonCloud420 Před rokem +48

      Deadass I was cringing so hard when he said japanese 💀💀💀

    • @jackg6887
      @jackg6887 Před rokem +20

      @@LemonCloud420 All of hololive channels are set to japan. So he is kinda right, its based on what your region is watching not only show channels from your region

    • @LemonCloud420
      @LemonCloud420 Před rokem +11

      @@jackg6887 yeah I guess but all of hololive EN I would say is definitely geared toward an English speaking, western audience.

    • @Handinmapocket
      @Handinmapocket Před rokem +5

      I'd like to think Kiara would deem it a compliment to be called Japanese.

    • @jackg6887
      @jackg6887 Před rokem

      @@LemonCloud420 ....exactly that's why they show up on western CZcams despite being set to a japanese channel

  • @Dickhead_Jones
    @Dickhead_Jones Před rokem +98

    It still boggles my mind that CZcams has yet to make a livestreaming section next to the shorts and the explore page, if they did that it would truly be the beginning of the end for Twitch.

  • @shnazzydan
    @shnazzydan Před rokem +3338

    Lud's actually doing everything he can to bring about the best experience for his audience and other streamers of the platform. CZcams's gotta really thank him one day.

    • @ryebread8013
      @ryebread8013 Před rokem

      @You must know damn

    • @i-exist763
      @i-exist763 Před rokem

      This Is Really Weird I just Watched Your Cuphead 24 Hours Thing And Now I See This Comment

    • @LautaroQ2812
      @LautaroQ2812 Před rokem +17

      No, they won't thank him at all

    • @trevorschumann4549
      @trevorschumann4549 Před rokem +5

      i agree but they definitely will not give him anything in return.

    • @Allysaenkins
      @Allysaenkins Před rokem +1

      Who’s lud

  • @ElCracko
    @ElCracko Před rokem +72

    Opens Kiara’s stream:
    “Top stream is a Japanese streamer”.
    That comment is bound to affect a few people

    • @oQuindo1
      @oQuindo1 Před rokem +8

      It shows a flaw BOTH twitch and CZcams have. There are people who target split audiences. Simply by having a Japanese title in the stream for her overseas fans it caused Lud to make a huge assumption.

    • @Exman33x9001
      @Exman33x9001 Před rokem +1

      There's just no fucking way

    • @valerius9072
      @valerius9072 Před rokem +3

      Well, he unintentionally summon the KFP employees with that sentence. 😂

  • @disturbedwaffles6653
    @disturbedwaffles6653 Před rokem +27

    One small thing I really appreciate about Twitch's website is that it always accurately saves your spot in a VOD if you close the tab. With CZcams you get a 50/50 chance of whether it'll be pretty accurate or not even close.

    • @awesomestuff9715
      @awesomestuff9715 Před rokem

      in my personal experience with youtube recently, it saves my spot in a video pretty accurately (usually like 10-30 seconds behind where i left off after closing the tab) around like 80-90% of the time
      in the past though, like back in 2016, it was still quite inconsistent though, like 30% of the time my video spot gets saved properly

  • @martic5951
    @martic5951 Před rokem +9

    A pop-up request for hosting would be great. The streamer gets a notification that someone is trying to host them and they can either accept or deny it. This would stop hate raids and still allows you to uplift smaller / not in your immediate friend circle streamers. With a 5 min expiry timer, if not accepted than it gets automatically denied. Easy.

  • @lautaromeyer15
    @lautaromeyer15 Před rokem +531

    About the raid on yt i think they can totally do like a raid request where you send a request to the streamer you want to raid and the streamer decides either to accept the request or not. That way they can avoid the hate raids better than Twitch and make it quite easier to raid someone

    • @HH-le1vi
      @HH-le1vi Před rokem +73

      You can still do hate raids without that. When jidion sent his viewers to pokimane he didn't raid anyone. It was just a verbal ask

    • @woodyfentress
      @woodyfentress Před rokem +23

      I like the idea of having a prompt pop up that asks if you'd like to accept a raid from someone!

    • @RandomGirl119
      @RandomGirl119 Před rokem +39

      I figure they could do it like privacy settings. By default, it lets anyone raid you, or you can change it to "People on my list" and add people to a list, or you can switch it to "No raids allowed".

    • @zaeliouss
      @zaeliouss Před rokem +42

      I feel like that'd also help with the awkwardness of when you're just about to end stream and someone comes in to raid you

    • @ratboygirl
      @ratboygirl Před rokem +3

      @@zaeliouss trueeeee!!

  • @Avossk
    @Avossk Před rokem +149

    2:16 even though Kiara is actually an english speaking streamer, there was actually a different problem with the system that Lud didn't point out and it's that he actually clicked on a stream that was already done. Kinda silly for the YT "Live" page to bring you to a stream that's already ended lmao

    • @larxxral
      @larxxral Před rokem +22

      pretty sure that happens on twitch too, it's probably that the page hasn't updated aka he opened the tab a while ago

    • @DimkaTsv
      @DimkaTsv Před rokem +4

      Also unlike twitch you can watch VOD on same link as stream was iirc.
      So if stream has been ended was result of link it means that it JUST ended... Like minute or 2 ago, because within 5 minutes it becomes replaced with VOD

    • @joooja
      @joooja Před rokem

      Yeah he would have opened that tab when the stream was live and it ended before he recorded this video

    • @hackerulroman
      @hackerulroman Před rokem +3

      He opened the tab prior to recording this video and the stream probably ended in the meantime

    • @canadannoko
      @canadannoko Před rokem +1

      As much as I think CZcams does stupid stuff, from a developers perspective this is probably (don’t work for CZcams so don’t know for sure) working 100% as expected and I’m actually on CZcams’s side if that is the case. If you wanted it to have that sort of refresh, you’d be adding potentially millions of calls per second to CZcams servers, just so that if a streamer happens to go offline when you are staring at this screen (and the majority of people don’t keep this page up long), it then refreshes and grabs new streams. That is a lot of work for a case that is at most a nuisance and rarely happens.

  • @ThirtyVirus
    @ThirtyVirus Před rokem +29

    2:29 damn if only he clicked on the number 2 stream, I think he would have liked it ;-;

    • @sworin
      @sworin Před rokem +1

      nah the thumbnail says it all

    • @shrimo1420
      @shrimo1420 Před rokem +3

      GG. Was looking for someone to point you out.

  • @JDWitherspoon
    @JDWitherspoon Před rokem

    If u goto the customization on your YT channel u can setup the upcoming livestream function and they will pop up whenever you schedule them. Also live chat replay can be toggled on as well so you can see your chat after your streams, its in the backend of the YT streaming setup functions.

  • @TheRoboKnight
    @TheRoboKnight Před rokem +380

    The stream you clicked on was not japanese, Hololive is a japanese company but the streamer herself does her streams in English

    • @HyperKryst
      @HyperKryst Před rokem +83

      such disrespect towards Kiwawa won't be tolerated. Ludwig needs to be put in jail for this slander

    • @octozed
      @octozed Před rokem +8

      She's also Austrian

    • @cabbage_cat
      @cabbage_cat Před rokem +5

      I think the region is sorted by the main audience location. Kiara has a large US based viewers so that's why she appeared on top.

    • @Tenno66
      @Tenno66 Před rokem

      🤓

    • @narsaku1408
      @narsaku1408 Před rokem

      I want to share a few experiences I've had this year, I hope it helps anyone in need.

  • @juanmiguelsebastian1477
    @juanmiguelsebastian1477 Před rokem +2271

    Lud, Kiara is not Japanese. She's Austrian who works at a Japanese vtuber agency. she talks primarily in English and also can talk fluently in German and Japanese

    • @imaboisir7227
      @imaboisir7227 Před rokem +113

      I get your point but she's I'm pretty sure she's still in Japan and also would still not be in his region

    • @AVeryNormalGuy
      @AVeryNormalGuy Před rokem +504

      @@imaboisir7227 She's an english vtuber who streams primarily for an english audience. Her actual region should not matter.

    • @dabdotnet
      @dabdotnet Před rokem +294

      @@imaboisir7227 she lives in Austria rn but im pretty sure her viewership is split between Japan, USA and Canada, and EU

    • @char1194
      @char1194 Před rokem +120

      @@imaboisir7227 she moved out of japan over a year ago iirc

    • @imaboisir7227
      @imaboisir7227 Před rokem +3

      @@char1194 dam i didn't know, i stopped watching around a year ago so that why I didn't know lol

  • @nuave
    @nuave Před rokem +3

    The frustrating part is that CZcams used to have a ton of customization options. Setting your default video quality if it was available, changing your youtube channel link to a custom one. At one point they made a dedicated editing feature, you could do primitive video stabilization, clickable end links (that sent to outside links) all removed. The excuse for all this being consistency, but all this is doing is ensuring that the phone experience is significantly worse because they don't have extensions, that fix the glaring problems that youtube has caused trying to "simplify".

  • @skones5445
    @skones5445 Před rokem +2

    Adding a blue dot with clock markers for scheduled streams and red dot for live on the avatar should be a good suggestion

  • @Blue-rs6no
    @Blue-rs6no Před rokem +114

    “Is a Japanese streamer” well, he is right… by like a third 😂 Kiara speaks Japanese English and German and usually puts a combination of them in her titles. No idea about that one though XD but still very right I’d insta click off that tab if I saw a bunch of other languages

    • @coins_png
      @coins_png Před rokem +14

      damn i think you made me realize a flaw with Kiara's CZcams game
      i usually never click on videos with multiple languages in the title too

  • @snyyland
    @snyyland Před rokem +910

    Hey Lud-- just wanted to let you know, that first streamer you put on actually is an English streamer! her name is Kiara & she's a talent with hololive's english branch of talent. While holo is a Japanese company, they have branches in many different regions. Other than that, great vid as always ☺️

    • @Sapreme
      @Sapreme Před rokem +63

      HE DOESNT KNOW PEPELAUGH

    • @laboon344
      @laboon344 Před rokem +39

      Kiwawa 😊

    • @jvmes9955
      @jvmes9955 Před rokem +141

      Silly you, this isn’t Ludwig! This is mogul mail, common mistake

    • @josharo
      @josharo Před rokem

      @You must know what brah

    • @vith4553
      @vith4553 Před rokem +6

      @@Xathonn austlian

  • @ando_ow
    @ando_ow Před rokem

    What you said in the Suzan interview is what i want to see the most. Going on a youtube channel and see a tab of "Livesteams" "Videos" & "Shorts" and (have this as a setting or not) only see "Video's" in the subscribe tab.

  • @witchestitty
    @witchestitty Před rokem +1

    It’s the scroll speed that makes fast chat jarring to read. It needs to jump like twitch does, where it semi pauses then scrolls quickly, then pauses

  • @jordanf00
    @jordanf00 Před rokem +8

    2:15 Takanashi Kiara is an ENG streamer, but yeah that other ones are definitely iffy.

  • @LarrySellsMeth
    @LarrySellsMeth Před rokem +1073

    You know things have gotten bad when Lud dyes his hair the opposite color

    • @ilvosio
      @ilvosio Před rokem +94

      @You must know First name Mogul last name Mail

    • @JA-nv4zb
      @JA-nv4zb Před rokem +10

      @You must know ok

    • @blackwinterr
      @blackwinterr Před rokem +8

      what does this even mean

    • @coins_png
      @coins_png Před rokem +9

      this is why mogul mail is better than ludwig

    • @winkydink33
      @winkydink33 Před rokem +8

      Who is lud?

  • @lemontree3650
    @lemontree3650 Před rokem +4

    For me, the most annoying aspect is that I can’t switch the app and still have the livestream going like it is on twitch. I’m sure having a premium account would fix that but I wish that feature would exist for regular users too

  • @BandannaBread
    @BandannaBread Před rokem

    I could see there being something combined with shorts if CZcams were to add the clips feature like Twitch has. Have Clips that people have recorded from currently available livestreams be pushed out through shorts. Helps make shorts profitable while also making it easier to discover new streamers.

  • @N9199
    @N9199 Před rokem +81

    You should probably look into the vtuber community, as they've solved some of the problems you've mentioned. For example, part of the directory thing is solved for corporate vtubers by having holodex, schedules, etc. Other example, the waiting room can be a 2024 stream called "free chat". (Also, kinda unrelated, but Kiara is an Austrian vtuber who streams in english😂)

  • @stuntmonkey00
    @stuntmonkey00 Před rokem +296

    Killer feature is to load multiple streamers together in one tab so you can see everybody without switching back and forth between tabs. If YT is going to buy whole friend groups to move over they need to do something to foster this.

    • @MissMarvel_
      @MissMarvel_ Před rokem +17

      Bro that'd be so dope. I'll have Rae, Sykkuno, Ludwig, and Hasan open at the same time sometimes. It's a bit of a bother but I want to see all their reactions together.

    • @Brandunfriendlyman
      @Brandunfriendlyman Před rokem +6

      That would be so easy! Just let the user group people, let's say the Ludwig crew or Among US crew or OTK and just let me start up all of them right from there (muted of course). Even I could program something like that in a weekend!

    • @cabbage_cat
      @cabbage_cat Před rokem +3

      as for now if you want to do this manually there's a pop up feature on opera gx that basically creates a small separate window for a player and you can drag it around, just open multiple tabs, drag all of them on another monitor, and you'll get yourself a security camera kind of interface where you can watch multiple streams
      you can pop up the chat too IIRC, or you can use a third party extension for this, but yeah having these without doing it manually would be cool
      idk about other browsers but this should be a basic feature (I'm not paid by opera gx)

    • @FizzyCape
      @FizzyCape Před rokem +6

      Twitch has this feature and nobody uses it

    • @Chromaspell
      @Chromaspell Před rokem +5

      squad streaming has been a thing on twitch for a hot minute and its literal garbage. same thing with TV and showing multiple channels at once. sounds good but isn't good.

  • @DeservingDredge
    @DeservingDredge Před rokem +2

    I feel the thing is that Twitch is mainly around streaming, so ofc it has to put in alot of effort+make streams really easy to notice, while youtube is much more about videos, so trying to balance streams into a website that is mainly about videos, it is a bit of a problem, thats also the reason why twitch doesn't struggle with it due to the fact they aren't trying to integrate videos into the site either, they have it as a side sure, but barely anybody uses it or cares about it.

  • @imablisy
    @imablisy Před rokem

    I think the way it’s set up rn is that it expects you to discover livestreams through a CZcams video. Like if someone is streaming and I get algod their video, it says the person is live so I can go in

  • @aheartquake
    @aheartquake Před rokem +84

    As someone who didn't start watching streamers until I found Valkyrae on CZcams, it's really interesting to hear the perspective of those who started with Twitch. I always preferred the livestream experience here because 1) no ads 2) ability to pause and return or even rewind. I never found it hard to keep up either because of notifications. But I've never been much of a chatter and I think that may be the big difference maker.

    • @PsychicImpala
      @PsychicImpala Před rokem +17

      I agree. Personally, I definitely prefer twitch when chatting, but if I’m just lurking, CZcams is generally better.

    • @JohnWolf926
      @JohnWolf926 Před rokem +19

      Strongly prefer CZcams, due to the upvotes you generally see better quality opinions as opposed to repetitive emotes and spams from twitch chat. Also pause/rewind/play as you mentioned but also the ability to watch at faster speeds is a big thing for me

    • @morroc6846
      @morroc6846 Před rokem +2

      If you are a chatter twitch is better, the UI is better the chat is much more enjoyable, there is a culture in twitch chat.

    • @praisesui-tyan
      @praisesui-tyan Před rokem

      I remember the first time that I watched a livestream in YT, which was Technoblade in Minecraft Mondays.
      His page just showed up as I was looking for Pewdiepie vids.

  • @alvskits4810
    @alvskits4810 Před rokem +367

    One thing I don't like about YT Live is that they use the exact same designs as YT. I don't know if they do this to not pay people to create new design components, or if they just want to make the Live section have the typical YT look. But for example, the Live and Gaming section literally just uses the design as someone's CZcams Profile, and it makes me think that wanting to use the exact same design for YT videos and YT Streams could be holding them back a bit.

    • @rowtechshio875
      @rowtechshio875 Před rokem +26

      I'm actually all for the unified look, just my opinion. YT has been my main social media for years and I like that they just keep beefing the site with features that fit in with the exprerience

    • @PapaMilkk
      @PapaMilkk Před rokem +12

      @@rowtechshio875 this tbh. It’s not the UI that is an issue, it’s pretty much just the functionality.

    • @MaskedButcher7
      @MaskedButcher7 Před rokem +5

      I don't like about YT live is that they use the exact same designs as YT
      ah yes the floor here is made out of the floor

    • @ImBirk
      @ImBirk Před rokem +5

      @@rowtechshio875 Yeah familiarity is actually a great component to have among CZcams's different sections to allow for seamless transitions, they just need to improve the functionality and make it easier to what you're looking for on Live

    • @maineman5757
      @maineman5757 Před rokem +2

      I don't understand why that matters? Are people getting confused and lost on the page?

  • @Emile50
    @Emile50 Před rokem

    I think it would be useful if you could rules for who can raid you. Like you can set the person needs at least 50 voewers, has had an account for one year, etc

  • @JustPaden
    @JustPaden Před rokem

    Twitch has also messed this up somewhat by adding another button you have to click on a streamers page just to see chat, when it used to load automatically. I know everyone has a Discord now but nothing beats an active offline chat.

  • @thinkofsomething420
    @thinkofsomething420 Před rokem +14

    Lud: first stream is a Japanese streamer
    Hololive[en]: ayo wtf
    Kiara the Austrian Phoenix: 👁👄👁

  • @rockman1811
    @rockman1811 Před rokem +11

    To be fair, the GTA streamer (Takanashi Kiara from Hololive EN) is multilingual so she does eng, jpn, and German streams

    • @NicoNicoNessieSub
      @NicoNicoNessieSub Před rokem +1

      She’s Austrian lol

    • @rockman1811
      @rockman1811 Před rokem +3

      @@NicoNicoNessieSub yeah but she streams primarily in English so it makes sense it's recommended in the context of Luds criticism. Maybe CZcams should implement a system to change primary language per stream with a default you can set

  • @staffyktv
    @staffyktv Před rokem

    All great points and things that I’ve thought about many times. I stream on YT from PS5 sometimes and somehow I’ve popped up on peoples suggested and I’m tiny

  • @CasasPlays
    @CasasPlays Před rokem

    I never knew about Playboard! Thanks for sharing it man.

  • @SakshamJain0201
    @SakshamJain0201 Před rokem +760

    Lud's journalism degree really shines through in these videos. Great videos 👍

    • @Zliarx
      @Zliarx Před rokem +10

      Man knows how to clickbait people

    • @MidasLich
      @MidasLich Před rokem +55

      His name isnt lud. It's mogul mail. No idea who lud is

    • @Zliarx
      @Zliarx Před rokem

      @@MidasLich shut 🤏

    • @marqimoth6987
      @marqimoth6987 Před rokem +1

      just like his hair

    • @bendi3768
      @bendi3768 Před rokem

      That's mogul mail guy not ludwig your crazy

  • @asnipersfate
    @asnipersfate Před rokem +37

    Kiara isn't a Japanese streamer Lud. She literally Hololive EN. She's an English speaking Vtuber.

  • @BETABYSS
    @BETABYSS Před rokem

    unsure if you noticed or if im misunderstanding - but the raid thing has been updated. when i go to check for "live redirects", there's now a toggle for "all channels can redirect to my content" which makes things nicer - at least now we have a twitch analog alongside the safe whitelist alternative method

  • @blm9876
    @blm9876 Před rokem

    2:39 when I have a kid there will be a carefully selected library of gems like invader zim, early spongebob, teen titans, etc. I feel like plotlines even really early on helped develop my brain. Then I'll eventually show them some anime, then some dramas like breaking bad and what not.
    Then on some glorious day when I deem fit, I will show them South Park.

  • @Keenanskill
    @Keenanskill Před rokem +14

    at 2:19 you arent exactly correct. That is kiara, a hololive EN vtuber. She however does streams in Japanese sometimes which is why the title is in Japanese

    • @Keenanskill
      @Keenanskill Před rokem

      there atleast haha

    • @wottle1
      @wottle1 Před rokem +3

      Lol she only has one hashtag in Japanese, the rest is in English

    • @greatone6395
      @greatone6395 Před rokem

      but she's still in Austria which is quite far away

  • @Vultage7
    @Vultage7 Před rokem +13

    Small criticism. That "Japanese streamer" at 2:15 is an English streamer. She's part of Hololive which was originally a Japanese streaming group, but she's part of their English branch.

  • @LARAUJO_0
    @LARAUJO_0 Před rokem +1

    Regarding 8:44, it doesn't even work properly because the Uploads option also includes all live streams, so there's no way to filter for just videos. Additionally (not related to streaming but still annoying), you can't sort videos by oldest or most viewed on music channels

  • @SassySlayer69
    @SassySlayer69 Před rokem +10

    CORRECTION: That top "japanese" streamer was actually Takanashi Kiara of Hololive ENGLISH. While she speaks japanese, she is Austrian and streams in English. So her stream being there was actually correct, and to anyone who sees this, she is an AMAZING streamer, easily one of the best on the platform, and you should 100% check her out sometime!
    Side note: for anyone struggling to connect the dots on who she is, she is genmates with Gawr Gura, the biggest vtuber in the world, and they both debuted alongside one another.
    Side side note: im surprised ludwig doesnt know who Kiara is. Shes got 1.4 million subs, and is in the top 30 most superchatted people on youtube.

    • @reislinlittle4715
      @reislinlittle4715 Před rokem +1

      Whats the real appeal to the vtubers is it cuz they act all cute and stuff? I’m not knocking I’m just genuinely curious.

    • @kngbee07
      @kngbee07 Před rokem +4

      @@reislinlittle4715 a LOT of vtubers don't behave that way, actually. some do, which is fine, but for the actual streamers it's a great way to still have a visual personality without having to show your face. so for people who wanna stay faceless it's really nice. there are vtubers who show their face or their face is at least known to the public, but most are 100% faceless ^^ for the viewers, i imagine it's because the models are more appealing to look at. for some people it fulfills their "anime waifu" fantasy, which CAN be dangerous but usually is pretty harmless as long as it's an adult, and for some people they just think it's a neat industry with a lot of amazing personalities and it gives jobs to a lot of artists, especially amateur artists who struggle to find a way to make money in the art industry :D

    • @meekumanu
      @meekumanu Před rokem +3

      @@reislinlittle4715 the appeal is just that they're streamers, for some it's because it's a cute animated character but for most people it's the same appeal as normal streaming, you enjoy the person's personality or their content.

  • @CatNaps
    @CatNaps Před rokem +35

    My mans calling Kiara a JAPANESE streamer when she's part of HOLOLIVE ENGLISH killed me.

    • @TheArrivalCyberse
      @TheArrivalCyberse Před rokem

      Hololive is a Japanese company and not everyone watch Vtubers.

    • @CatNaps
      @CatNaps Před rokem +3

      @@TheArrivalCyberse Her channel name includes EN for English. It was funny, it's not that serious.

  • @danab8454
    @danab8454 Před rokem +250

    Lud always hitting us with the left field takes

    • @mee6box
      @mee6box Před rokem +23

      who is lud?

    • @circlesareround2292
      @circlesareround2292 Před rokem +30

      This is Mogul Mail, not Lud. Two very different people

    • @laika1501
      @laika1501 Před rokem +6

      @@circlesareround2292 they just sorta look alike whenever the lighting is right and have similar setups because of how optimal it is

    • @danab8454
      @danab8454 Před rokem +5

      @@circlesareround2292 I always get them confused

    • @evanburke9365
      @evanburke9365 Před rokem +1

      Who’s Lud? This do be Mogal Mail

  • @redvemr
    @redvemr Před rokem +3

    I agree that youtube is bad at serving lives. they are a video site trying to do live streaming too. You can't expect youtube to look like twitch tho, they still need to be youtube. they are a video site trying to do livestreaming without completely changing the entirety of their platform. maybe add a tab thats livestreaming next to the explore tab that can change based on viewer habits but, I still do think that *relatively*, streaming is sort of its own bubble and a small one too. you don't go to twitch like you go to youtube expecting fast paced well cut content, and its going to be hard to get people on youtube to have the attention span for the slower and just different vibe of streaming, and if the bubble is small enough, maybe its not worth it to youtube to make this golden streaming platform. although they are taking on more and more creators from twitch, like you said they aren't just going for any streamers, theyre going for like otv and only bubbles because trying to make the platform as a whole more streamer friendly is a little unfair

  • @RexusprimeIX
    @RexusprimeIX Před rokem

    I thought that the region sorting sorted by what's popular in your region rather than who is in your region. I know a lot of streamers that don't focus on their own region's audience. I mean (and sorry if my info is outdated, I haven't kept up with him) would it not be weird if pewdiepie only showed up in Italy for the region sorting when he's not an Italian streamer, he doesn't speak Italian in his streams, and his audience is mostly outside Italy. It makes sense to me that the region sorter shows you who your region watches. (Oh and btw that first streamer you called Japanese is an English speaking streamer, but I understand you got confused by that Japanese hashtag in the stream title)

  • @angelicaolmedo6558
    @angelicaolmedo6558 Před rokem +53

    I found it a little funny when he went to Kiara's stream and said that she's japanese. Even though she's an english speaking streamer. It made me laugh a bit.

  • @simonxl
    @simonxl Před rokem +6

    I did my first redirect today! I turned it on for myself today too! I'm glad that someone made more people aware of redirects in this video. I wish it was easier to find people in the game I play so I can redirect them to similar people and potentially make connections with the people I redirect to, but with CZcams's current discoverability system it's just really difficult.

  • @trygve_
    @trygve_ Před rokem

    I think it might be a good idea to have a tab for clips/shorts/videos specifically from creators that are currently live, that way youtube can take advantage of their already pretty good video algorithm to show people streams. It would also provide a solution to the issue of it being difficult to know if you want to watch a stream or not without watching for quite a while.

  • @TheCookiePup
    @TheCookiePup Před rokem

    8:00 the user can look at their past chat messages in other streams (I just noticed this a few days ago) but yeah I don't think streamers can see past chat in streams

  • @drizzledra
    @drizzledra Před rokem +48

    Hits the banger one take and then immediately starts a stream on Twitch. What a legend

    • @SpaceMango
      @SpaceMango Před rokem +10

      They really need to fix the comment bot problem. All your replies are just bots… 😅

  • @oldyy7196
    @oldyy7196 Před rokem +101

    Twitch is like that one ex you keep coming back to: no matter how bad they hurt you, it's still better than the alternative.

  • @DRKSTRN
    @DRKSTRN Před rokem

    Easiest solution is to have a Live Recommended shelf right under recommended, that would then lead into a live feature page.
    Live Page would feature 4 shelves, top, recommended, rising, and a clip shelf on the bottom. Scrolling down would be the same recommended.

  • @Hybridsteel
    @Hybridsteel Před rokem

    i agree with this live stremaing on youtube is a pain in the arse and it stunts growth for those youtubers

  • @Ethoserp
    @Ethoserp Před rokem +14

    Kiara isn’t a Japanese streamer she’s an English streamer

    • @Symbolis
      @Symbolis Před rokem

      Technically she's an Austrian streamer. Still, streams in English.

    • @knuteknoll6747
      @knuteknoll6747 Před rokem

      She pretends to be an anime girl, ergo idrc

    • @Symbolis
      @Symbolis Před rokem

      @@knuteknoll6747 Her anime girl is more convincing than your human, I must say.

  • @RandomGirl119
    @RandomGirl119 Před rokem +8

    I remember one day back in 2018, the CZcams home page had an entire section for livestreams for some reason, which I thought was really cool. I noticed one of the streams it was recommending me was of a blind playthrough of Kingdom Hearts 1: Final Mix, so I clicked on it and thus discovered a channel that I came to enjoy. All because CZcams briefly had a section for livestreams for some random reason. I don't know why it was there or why they removed it, but they should add it back.

  • @presidentalpaca
    @presidentalpaca Před rokem

    There was a funny moment in the H3 leftovers podcast that I tried to clip to post to twitter but yeah there was no way to just download the clip on its own (unless there's a third party thing but I didn't want to search around for that)

  • @TheJohn424
    @TheJohn424 Před rokem +38

    Small correction. You were highlighting Takanashi Kiara when saying that youtube recommends "japanese videos instead of regional content". But Kiara streams basically only to an english audience, so that's the algorythm actually working as intended.

    • @undeadman7676
      @undeadman7676 Před rokem +1

      She sets her region to Japan, so no, it isn't the algorithm working as intended.

    • @thatadde
      @thatadde Před rokem +7

      @@undeadman7676 It's "Sorted by most viewers in your region" so nope. Most people from the US were watching her stream in this category. It is the algorithm working as intended, Ludwig just misunderstood how it worked.

  • @bradleywestwood1977
    @bradleywestwood1977 Před rokem +6

    You should make a video on Michael DiCostanzo and how his bracket live streams are taking over TikTok, it's a super interesting and fun concept and I'm surprised other creators haven't replicated it yet.

  • @amandaalmeida2353
    @amandaalmeida2353 Před rokem +7

    Once again, great video Lud!! Also this came on a really good timing for me! I've been doing a crazy research on which platform to livestream on and I'm just going nuts with all the crazy drama and settings of each platform

  • @RechiCh
    @RechiCh Před rokem

    8:52 "But the Upcoming live stream section should probably just be always there"
    You can literally do that by adding Upcoming live streams in your Featured sections in Channel customization. With the lobby, you can schedule a second stream far in the future where everyone can chat at any point. Both will be visible from your Home page.

  • @ThatElfNerd
    @ThatElfNerd Před rokem +4

    One thing I despise about Twitch that CZcams (luckily) doesn't do, is that Twitch puts your VODs on a timer for how long you get to keep them before they're gone forever. It used to be two weeks for non-partners and/or people who don't have Twitch Prime, but recently they decided to be worse to non-affiliates and slice those two weeks into one week. Found that out the hard way due to only recently going back to streaming, and lost a four-hour stream that I put a lot into.

  • @littlepip8343
    @littlepip8343 Před rokem +39

    I guess it doesn’t go for everyone but I’ve always LOVED scheduled streams. My streamer doesn’t always pre-plan their week or make announcements before a stream goes live but they’ll always schedule streams beforehand and when I see it, it allows me to plan my day around it and never miss a single second by making sure I’m not caught off guard by anything coming up while I watch

    • @mossicely
      @mossicely Před rokem +6

      Yeah I don't think anyone thinks scheduled streams are necessarily a problem in a vacuum, they're just a notification really. The problem is that its being used instead of other features rather than in addition to, and limiting peoples access to the livestream page and chats. If they just kept it as a notification system but added the functionality Ludwig mentions here I think it would be better in that regard

  • @gungy_vt
    @gungy_vt Před rokem +5

    "The top stream is a japanese streamer"
    Kiara's in HoloEN. The actual crazy part is that it still says "Live" for a stream that ended 6 hours prior.

    • @NozomiClips
      @NozomiClips Před rokem

      It ended just before he clicked. It says streamed 6 hours ago, meaning the stream started 6 hours ago. And if you look at the vod length, it's exactly 6 hours long.

  • @isabellaellis6347
    @isabellaellis6347 Před rokem +2

    youtube once upon a time had an “offline chat”-ish system. they’ve tried reinventing it with yt communities. imo it doesn’t work. like one of the top comments on this post, i usually watch streams to see what’s going on/to have something on; i don’t chat much even on twitch. but for those who do want to chat both when in stream and in offline chat, there should be a more accessible and cohesive way to merge that.

  • @jonaskole2114
    @jonaskole2114 Před rokem +5

    If you want an offline chat room, you can schedule a stream that starts somewhere in the very far future.

  • @DjamTG12345
    @DjamTG12345 Před rokem +20

    The one thing this mogul mail guy got wrong is that Kiara IS an english streamer. She streams under Hololive's english branch. Hololive is a japanese virtual entertainment company. If ludwig made a news/drama channel I knew he would've gotten that right. screw this mogul guy

    • @nabe4320
      @nabe4320 Před rokem

      lmfao KFP seething rn?

    • @oQuindo1
      @oQuindo1 Před rokem

      @@nabe4320 Not really. Just pointing out a DIFFERENT issue both twitch and youtube have. People who target 2 languages tend to get screwed.

    • @nabe4320
      @nabe4320 Před rokem

      @@oQuindo1 that's true you brought it up, I agree. The way it came off, wasn't sure if the comment was sarcastic or a seriously malding KFP, which was kinda hard to distinguish. I do admit though, that this advice of having only English in the title to increase viewers is an interesting thing to tell Kiwawa since she wants to grow, so that's pretty cool

    • @DjamTG12345
      @DjamTG12345 Před rokem

      this comment was meant to be a joke sorry if i confused anyone :p

  • @robsaw5663
    @robsaw5663 Před rokem +114

    I actually love Lud’s idea that from CZcams shorts you are recommended streams, I think that would be crazy and really help streamers discoverability, making CZcams a much more desirable platform for creators.

    • @startownsend7517
      @startownsend7517 Před rokem

      I found a couple of streamers from their Shorts so it's definitely an option

    • @alexiswilson4186
      @alexiswilson4186 Před rokem +1

      As someone who sometimes watches shorts, no I hate that idea and it would make watching shorts suck. Keep everything where it needs to be, unless they want to add random streams to the stories cause I don’t care about those

    • @DimkaTsv
      @DimkaTsv Před rokem +2

      I don't watch shorts but i think this is dumb idea
      In page, where all content is about minute long you suddenly get absolutely not fitting few hours long lasting stream without context and result.
      People who look shorts won't.be interested in long content, otherwise they would've not been looking for SHORTS specifically

    • @wissembellara6411
      @wissembellara6411 Před rokem +2

      i hate it, i want to watch shorts and not watch live, dont recommend me that shit i didnt ask for. sane with tiktok, i always press don't show again whenever i see a live

    • @requiemforameme1
      @requiemforameme1 Před rokem

      Think they started doing that already with that QR-code looking UI option to link to the original stream (…and Super Thanks).

  • @vitluk
    @vitluk Před rokem +1

    Dk, i always use sub box first to watch people I'm following before ever going to recommended, cuz usually i get straight up shit there and rarely new vids from my subscriptions

  • @becken_b6
    @becken_b6 Před rokem +1

    I remember CZcams streamers talking about directly working with engineers on the CZcams team and how excited they were about the features that were coming…. 3-5 years ago….

  • @JLujan4492
    @JLujan4492 Před rokem +25

    Thank you Mr. Mogul Mail for having your video be the perfect length for eating a whole extra large bacon and sausage pizza in one sitting alone on a Saturday night crashing at my parent's house without their knowledge while they are on vacation and watching the Netflix Dahmer special.

    • @bblvrable
      @bblvrable Před rokem +2

      You ate an entire extra large bacon and sausage pizza in just over 10 minutes? Are.. are you Kirby?

    • @JLujan4492
      @JLujan4492 Před rokem

      @@bblvrable No. Just depressed

  • @Oceanatornowk
    @Oceanatornowk Před rokem +9

    When I’m in a clickbait competition and my opponent is Mogul Mail 😮

  • @eddiequeboard2672
    @eddiequeboard2672 Před rokem +2

    One thing that really shines through in these videos is the light through Lud's window

  • @mesan4641
    @mesan4641 Před rokem

    One thing about YT pre chat that I find mainly lots of JP Vtubers do is have a live stream scheduled a year ahead to act as a pre chat that’s alway up

  • @BunkeredGaming
    @BunkeredGaming Před rokem +10

    this is a great follow up to ludwig streaming on twitch yesterday

  • @moonpsycho5790
    @moonpsycho5790 Před rokem +10

    Im assuming a lot of people told you, but Kiara streams in English (she's European tho so tecnically still not your region)
    Also, love how you said Twitch when u meant Yotube multiple times, this is why we love Mogul Mail Guy

  • @zerucos
    @zerucos Před rokem +5

    One thing I have also noticed is the terrible notifications from youtube. If a streamer schedules a stream less than 30 minutes before they start, I often don't get notified at all, some times I get notified after the stream ends or 2 hours into the stream. This must be fixed asap.

  • @nazmussaadat5593
    @nazmussaadat5593 Před rokem +5

    Clips on YT don't seem as bad as you're putting it. You can't download clips on Twitch either natively but there's extensions that will let you do it for both. Other than that the clip only existing unless the vod is privated makes sense for me at least in case the streamer wants to get rid of all clips of something that happened for privacy reasons (if you want to avoid that, download the clip before it gets taken down).
    Also the spiffing brit has a great video about how the schedule live system on YT can be exploited since it recommends your stream to a lot of people if you perpetually keep delaying the broadcast. It explains the system very well but is a very niche "feature" and exists as an unintentional bug so it probably doesn't deserve much credit.
    Other than that I'd say all of your criticisms about the CZcams streaming experience are pretty on point, but I doubt things will change drastically any time soon.

  • @Yizelin
    @Yizelin Před rokem +23

    I know people have already touched on this, but I also wanted to chime in on the GTA stream Lud highlighted. That yes, the tags she was using included Japanese tags but as others have noted she herself is part of an English branch of that Vtuber company and the stream was primarily in English (she speaks several languages and has fun flexing them a bit, with German being her mother tongue iirc). Also the rest of the title and description was in English, but I also understand you were taking a quarter second glance at it to prove your point and move on (which I also agree with).
    So while yes, that stream was inclusive of people outside of Lud's region that it was appropriately placed in the browser. That being said, I would love to see CZcams make a lot of improvements so keep it up :)

  • @andrewwright654
    @andrewwright654 Před rokem +7

    yo mogul mail, thought i'd let you know that there is a way to have offline chat albeit a bit inconvenient, what you can do is set up a livestream now and schedule it for like a year from now and title it free chat or whatever, a lot of vtubers that i know do this and although it doesn't disprove your point it's a good way to combat that problem.

  • @livingpers0n485
    @livingpers0n485 Před rokem

    The very most CZcams can do about the algorithm thing is making a tab or something on the side that shows you when the channels your subbed to are live. I know they will put a live icon next to the live channels on the normal sub list on the side, but that includes all channels your subbed to so it can be hard to see them all. So at least a list deticated to live channels.

    • @NozomiClips
      @NozomiClips Před rokem

      It also places the currently live channels at the top of your subscription list. That basically acts as a separate list.

  • @TraderPulse
    @TraderPulse Před rokem +3

    7:55 Chat spamming no is peak comedy

  • @username7790
    @username7790 Před rokem +3

    From the viewers side, by far the best thing about CZcams's streaming is the ability to go back in a stream. This makes an especially big difference for watching gamers and things like valo tournaments. You can easily go back 10 seconds to rewatch a pop-off moment that you missed. The only way I've been able to do this on twitch which is super annoying to do every time is to clip it right away and watch that, but then you've just missed part of the livestream. You can pause and do something then come back, fast forwarding and skipping through breaks and timeouts to catch up while not missing anything.
    Being able to go back in a stream while it happens also allows you to watch a game they were playing earlier in the stream that they aren't now.
    Apart from this one thing (which is enough to make me watch Valo tournaments on youtube rather than twitch), Twitch is better in practically every way for streaming imho.

  • @deadhelix
    @deadhelix Před rokem +3

    the main thing is youtube needs to separate the video and streaming side because right now it’s all mashed together in a weird way. If they had a better separate page for streams it go a long way. People you are subbed to for vids and people who are streaming are all put together and even though the live channels are first it’s in such a weird place I forget about it constantly and I only notice ludwig being live when I randomly get the stream recommended while browsing vids

  • @jdbb3gotskills
    @jdbb3gotskills Před rokem

    I rarely get recommendations for live streams. They should definitely have sections for all three formats

  • @supagbe4120
    @supagbe4120 Před rokem

    I think like YT music they might just make a separate app for it. You can still watch live on reg YT but if you want a better experience you go to the app

  • @Thiighs
    @Thiighs Před rokem +55

    again with the one take video. idk how this man does it. massive props honestly.

    • @Thiighs
      @Thiighs Před rokem

      @You must know bruh, that dog shit wasn't even funny

    • @pj-wille
      @pj-wille Před rokem +6

      Problem with the 1 take video is that he didn't do quite enough research and made an assumption about Kiara being a japanese streamer when she bilingual and primarily english.

    • @galador8089
      @galador8089 Před rokem +11

      @@pj-wille doesnt change his point tho, sort by region doesnt work

    • @pj-wille
      @pj-wille Před rokem +1

      @@galador8089 I believe it's not working properly, but presenting evidence that is supposed to mean one thing but it's another isn't gonna help. It only serves people already in the echo chamber and not people who don't know about the issues.

    • @Justin_42
      @Justin_42 Před rokem +5

      I do think his ability to do it is impressive, but it does his pride in doing it lets in some mistakes like the above and like him calling youtube by twitch's name

  • @isaacure8511
    @isaacure8511 Před rokem +5

    Jake the editor is really the king of seamless transitions

  • @LewdKiwi
    @LewdKiwi Před rokem

    On the topic of no "waiting rooms", what I've seen done in the past by some corporate vtuber channels is they'll have a stream scheduled for way out in the future and use that as a waiting/chatroom.

  • @holly_hacker
    @holly_hacker Před rokem +1

    You can see live streamers in your subfeed. Idk why people consider the subfeed gone, I still use it every day.

  • @RT-mv2zk
    @RT-mv2zk Před rokem +7

    I think part of it is that live streamers are set up to compete with algorithmically curated content that, comparatively, appeals to the reduced attention span of the modern audience. Whereas on twitch the only things there, are live streams sorted exactly how you mention in the beginning of the video.

  • @Green0Photon
    @Green0Photon Před rokem +5

    Bruh that Japanese streamer is Kiara, she speaks English. Most of her content is English.

  • @QastletheKing
    @QastletheKing Před rokem

    Ayyy shoutout to NL!! Super cool to see Lud mention he watches him too

  • @scottjacobson6619
    @scottjacobson6619 Před rokem

    i really feel like live streams should be a tab on the channel next to videos and playlists. You click on the "Live" tab and it brings up the offline chat and has past streams below the stream window.