The Cheating Scandal is Going to Court
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I love how Mr. Mail says he barely uses his journalism degree as he runs an internet journalism channel
He somehow failed to realize the tournament in initial question was at the St Louis chess club in Missouri.
He barely uses it because he can't be fucked to read into the topic at all. Otherwise he'd have pieced together that HN filed in Missouri because he played Magnus Carlsen in St Louis, Missouri which is where the first instance of defamation occurred.
God dmsn bots, jesus.
@@mebarta that just means he's a true journalist. He also failed to include some pretty critical info when he spoke about the crunchyroll union thing.
@@AB-bx5to yeah, you should have every single fact right when you're a journalist because it's unacceptable to make mistakes as a human being.
That journalism degree is definitely shining through in these videos tbh. Top tier content
BEGONE BOT!
5 bots in one! Nice haul brotha
Exactly my thoughts when he mentioned it! I thought „That explains a lot“ 😝
Yet it seems he can't read. The lawsuit states that after these accusations he has been uninvited from all big tournaments. So it's not just about reputation.
I'm going to be honest, these bots are getting out of hand. Nice catch of 5 though
can you imagine ludwig getting sued and having to watch mogul mail in court lol
why would mogul mail goto court if lud is getting sued 🤨
czcams.com/video/I7OrZjDPh5w/video.html finally its here.
@@blasphemynbagels9324 cause you know mogul mail wouldn’t miss showing up to his boy Lud’s trial
Can't wait for this to age like milk
@@blasphemynbagels9324 Because he is a damn good journalist and would be there to get the live scoop. Would be a great opportunity to show they are not the same person by being in the same room together.
ludwig: "I barely use my journalism degree nowadays"
also ludwig: makes multiple videos a week reporting on current events in media
That’s not Ludwig this is mogul mail
I never thought a chess game would be brought to court
Bro it's amazing. Also how do they think this guy could cheat with no headphones and no way of cheating but then asking for so much is hilarious
@whaaa t cool video and all but damn you didn't need to say how badly you wanted Solid Snake's ass cheeks to clap louder than a supernova caused by the force of a million suns simultaneously collapsing in onto themselves in-game.
I mean it's cool you're into that but it came out of left field ngl
@@thejinxedcat3616 you should look up how you actually cheat in chess, no one wears headphones dude
"Your honour he played A2 to A3 would a sane man do that?"
The best part is that the person bringing it to court did, by all official counts, already *win* the chess game
A quick thing to note about defemation cases: the money they sue for is never the amount they actually want, it's a massive over-estimation since courts go drastically lower than whatever was proposed damages
except when they are trying to silence you like alex jones. I dont care if what he said about the parents was BS. no way their troubles are worth a billion.
@@phgamer4393 ok, stfu cause what he said absolutely caused damage. Alex Jones doesn't need to be protected, he DID know what he said was false and he probably caused more money in damage both to the families and to other victims of shootings.
You're dumb. Just... So dumb.
@@phgamer4393 pretty sure death threats for over a decade deserves that much and more. half will go to lawyers and taxes. plus its split between multiple families so really payout will only be few million per
@@phgamer4393 The price got jacked up on him because of just how much he was obstructing justice and trying to cover up his actions.
On top of that, the damages his actions caused were pretty bad. He dramatically damaged the reputation and ruined the lives of quite a number of people who underwent severe trauma. And he did it all maliciously for his own personal gain knowing he was wrong and full of shit.
On top of that, he kept trying to avoid paying out what he was originally charged by declaring bankruptcy and saying he didnt have enough to pay it by laundering money out of his company.
The dude is a massive conman. His entire existence is built upon coning people and tricking the most vulnerable people to turn a profit. So yea, it makes sense that after all he's done, that the price of damages he has caused is so high.
@@phgamer4393 Have you ever buried your child who was shot to the point they had some parts of their body missing like their head or their limbs? Then were you ever accused of being a liar, and your child that you loved and lost accused of not being real? Then were you ever harassed for years by literal psychos who threatened your life and your family's to the point you had to move and change your name? The pain these parents suffered is already inimaginable, on top of it the continued torture they had to endure for years because Alex Jones needed an audience to sell his poisonous supplement to is just cherry on top of the shit mountain. They deserve every penny Alex Jones has to his name.
The lawsuit is for $100,000,000 and not $400,000,000. Basically, the damages listed here are what we call “compensatory damages”. This means that for various reasons the complaint is claiming that the tortious actions of the defendants have damaged Hans $100,000,000 (in the form of damages to income, harming his reputation, etc.) The compensatory damages are designed to make hans “whole” again, meaning not better off than he was before. The complaint suggests that any one of these 4 causes of action can fully account for the injuries Hans has suffered and therefore can be awarded the $100,000,000. However if Hans is granted relief under one of these claims he will not be granted the same relief under another, because the court will not double or triple compensate him for the same injury.
In short, the claim says any one of these 4 wrongdoings could account for the full $100,000,000 harm done to Hans, so if we succeed on one or multiple of these, Hans should be granted $100,000,000 to compensate for his injuries.
Note that this is not my comment, it is from a law student under Gotham Chess's video on this.
ok but he definitely isn't worth, or lost 100mil lol
@@gamezech2882 +2
@@gamezech2882 true. How does he proof that he got damaged by 100 mil..... Or even ten percents of it.
Johnny Depp lost a movie roll. Got "kicked" out of a big franchise. Was painted all over mainstream media as wife beater. And he didn't get anything near 100 mill lol
@@InfiniteSpaceMedia note that it is common in defamation lawsuits for the for the party suing to demand a huge sum even though they know they won’t be getting the full amount
Crazy how he hurries up to end the video in under 8 minutes to make sure there's no mid-rolls, actually the most cracked content creator out there
czcams.com/video/I7OrZjDPh5w/video.html golum
Pretty sure mid rolls start at 8 not 10
CZcamsrs can also choose not to enable midroll ads even if they hit however many minutes
@@Pyronek That's litteraly what I said? :^)
@@Pyronek It was changed about a year ago i believe so it is now 8 and not 10
Provided how crazy Niemann's case is, he better have called Saul.
Saul Goodman end up in prison for life in the last episode
@@crimson3970 voluntarily, after winning himself a very favorable deal
Lawsuit was the top move recommended by stockfish
Such a good comment, sad that most of the other replies are bots
Scrolling through comments, finding a funny comment with several replies: 😊
Finding out the comment just got The Bots: 😔
thanks micjael
Magnus: If I speak, I'm in trouble.
Hikaru: Everyone spam BEADS in chat.
Hans: My lawsuit speaks for itself
Ludwig: 👁️👄👁️
czcams.com/video/I7OrZjDPh5w/video.html finally its here.
Bro this is mogul mail not Ludwig
@@fatmandoo i think he's referring to the tweet
I have a feeling this is how Hans accidentally admits to cheating
I really, really doubt he cheated OTB and it's already confirmed he cheated online years ago
@@kuhaku9635 yes which is why Magnus telling the world he cheated OTB and getting his business partners to pile on in order to ruin his career is enough reason to sue. Magnus is going to learn that being a paranoid bitch can cost a lot
@@joemarais7683 1. Magnus didn't bring his business partner into the scandal mess,proven by how hans is stil allowed into tournaments.
2. Had magnus not told the world that hans is suspicious,there will not be many of these suspicious things surfacing.
Magnus can be wrong,but looking at how suspicious hans is, it's not wrong that magnus is suspicious of him. More time should be done to investigate this case. I don't understand the negativity. even if magnus is wrong in his "accusation" (since he didnt publicly accuse hans of cheating otb) hans deserve a lot of punishment for cheating lots even in online chess.
edit : He deleted his comment?
Probably. When you're a known liar and cheat, willingly putting yourself in front of trained lawyers is one of the stupidest things you can do. Amber Heard is a perfect example of that fact.
@@connor_phillipz5689 regardless tho,i still think it's too early to say he's guilty since it's hard to imagine how he is able to cheat OTB. Better to just leave it to investigator or those in chess world, arguing without fact is a useless endeavor that yields nothing.
edit : misstype
I'm willing to earn and pay this man a million dollars to dye his hair back to normal.
Godamn
Bro chill out on johnny test his show is goated
Please do
@The TacoCat look man you didn't need to do an in-person demonstration of high-tech anal beads to prove you can indeed cheat at jailhouse chess but I guess I can appreciate the dedication
@@piplupdabest hahaha goated
Gotta keep it a buck, there have been a lot of cheating scandals these past few weeks, and this was not the scandal I was expecting
I want this case to go though. Because now we'll get to see if Hans really studied for that very very specific Magnus opening he claimed to just stumble upon the day of their match. Fabi said that Chessbase can provide that info if a court order is issued.
Every good industry needs some scandal to garner new blood to revive it
Have a cookie 🍪
Holy crap the bots are annoying as hell
Omg these bots
@@jaynguyen1573 just report
@@Emil-sh6sq They're like a hydra, you cut one off, 3 more come in its place.. CZcams should really do something about the bots
The reason the lawsuit is in another state is because there is some law there that the plaintiff likes that isn't in the other states. This happens all the time with people who sue often.
its because the Saint Louis chess club is in Missouri
Wasn't the Johnny Depp trial in Virginia for the same thing? I don't remember what the rule was specifically but I do remember that being a big reason.
§21p37 on adultery: "It's not cheating if beads are used". Defence: "depends on who operates them".
What’s up with these bots
@@sohn7767 just youtube things
They should settle the case over a game of chess in front of the judge. Winner takes all
With anal beads allowed or without?
Hans would take the fattest L
Lad ended it before 8 minutes so there was no mid roll ads, love how honest he is and how much he cares for the viewers experience
Keep in mind that Johnny Depp only sued for 50M. Hans crazy man.
@just i c e he told me he was just going out for some cigarettes and milk
@just i c e if theres a real person who can read this reply, this strat actually got me
It's was really funny when mogul said that ludwigs wiki page is his own. Really shows how obvious the similarities are
czcams.com/video/I7OrZjDPh5w/video.html finally its here.
“I’m going to end before 8 mins so there’s no mid roll” omfg this man is the goat
I have to say ending the video before 8 minutes, even though I pay to not get ads, was a great move and made me respect you even more.
Dude how does the calmest game ever gets the spiciest drama ever lmao
Chess is not a calm game
@@nietzschefriend it fucking is though
Calmest? The amount of rage, elitism and arrogance in the scene wouldn't suggest that
@@D0rlisok Have you ever played chess or watched professionals
@@nietzschefriend yes we have, have you ever played chess competitively? clearly not
"I'm gonna end before 8 minutes so there's no midrolls." Absolute king move.
Great update and a great mogul mail! Thank you for once again uploading a mogul mail!
"im gonna end before 8 mins so there are no midrolls" we all love you so much lud, appreciate it
Good point I didn't think about that
One of the rare moment the tweet in the thumbnail isn’t edited
my theory as to why he sued in Missouri: the event in question is hosted in Saint Louis, which is located in Missouri
"You better lawyer up asshole because I'm not coming back for 30%, I'm coming back for everything"
I agreed I don’t think it will get that far. Had to learn a lot about defamation in my line of work and the actual malice is so incredibly hard to prove, which is why 99.9% of celebrities don’t pursue these lawsuits.
How does this situation KEEP going???
Bro, every single reply you got was a bot, wtf is wrong with this site?
@@alexknight81 It's kinda funny in a pathetic way, I've never seen another popular website that is so bot infested. You'd think Google would have the technical know-how and funds to deal with it.
@@alexknight81 yeah, I’m kinda used to the bot replies at this point but it really kills the excitement comment sections used to have.
7:40 I appreciate not stretching the video out to 8 mins unnecessarily, really makes your content better because you dont care about the extra monetization but you care about quality content. Respect to this Mogul Mail guy he’s really killing it!!
I thought you didn’t get a monetization bump until 10min
@@camj1419 they changed it to 8 minutes like years ago at this point lol
i wanted longer vid
3 real people to 6 bots. This is fucked up
Oh, I've almost forgotten what I wanted to say because of the sheer number of bots.
Mogul Mail gets money directly from CZcams because of the contract. That means he doesn't need ads or sponsorships to thrive. He's got a sweet spot!
2:30 Small mistake there, he's suing every defendant together for 100M 4 times, but it only means that if one of the 4 latches, he gets awarded 100M. Meaning that if several latch, he still gets 100M.
czcams.com/video/I7OrZjDPh5w/video.html finally its here.
Ludwig the only youtuber to purposefully avoid midroll ads
the one time Hans chose not to consult with Stockfish first on strategy, he does this.
Can´t wait to see the Ludwig Invitational this weekend
I think the biggest reason why this isn't going to go anywhere is that Hans has admitted to cheating. This means that it is entirely reasonable for someone to assume he could cheat since it isn't outside of his character. They could be wrong about it, but they have good reason to believe it possible.
Edit:A commenter brought up some things that suggest that this might not be how the law works. As such, take what I said there with the grain of salt.. 😅
Not really how it works. That would be known as prejudicial evidence with no bearing in the current case. Unless he admitted to cheating in every single game except the one in question, the existence of past mistakes is not evidence of anything. Weigh the number of times he has not cheated versus the times he has, he is much more likely based on that to not cheat.
If you go to court for stealing a car and the prosecution brings up a Facebook post from ten years ago when you were a kid that you admitted to shoplifting, that's not evidence either.
The fact that he has the capacity to cheat in the past has no bearing on the current matter, that exists in everyone.
@@Toastybees sure but it would be jury trial correct? So, your credibility is incredibly important in jury trials. If there is proof that Hans cheated more than he admits now then that shows that he cheats and lies about cheating. It kills his credibility for the jury which would make it harder for him to get his money. Unless magnus just settles out of court.
I could definitely be wrong but that’s my understanding.
@@keatonparker4789 No the judge would literally not allow that into the court as evidence because it would bias the jury. It has no bearing on the current case unless they can show a proven pattern. A few individual instances is not a pattern.
@@Toastybees hmmm... That's interesting bees and toast. So even though he's admitted to cheating in the past, that wouldn't go towards whether or not there's actual malice/whether or not a Magnus was purposely saying something that was false? Honestly, I didn't think about it until you said this but him admitting to cheating in the past only came out after he was accused anyways. So I suppose Carlson would have had to had known that he had been cheating for other reasons. Well, I'm not a lawyer..
On an unrelated note, I'd be really curious to see Magnus and dude doing like 20 or so chess games in the room that blocks out any signal from the outside. I feel like you couldn't say this scenario that the other guy losing would be a sign that he cheated, but if he really lost. Like really really badly, and he didn't show his usual knowledge of Chess then that might be something else entirely. Still this is all just sort of a "Hypothetical and will never happen" type scenario. Lol
@@retrohipster1060 Cases litigate specific circumstances, past circumstance have no bearing unless there was either a court ruling or a clear and provable pattern of behavior.
degree was worth it you do great journalism! 😄
I have so much respect for ending before midrolls can be added
This comment is so braindead. You realize he could just turn them off?
I'm surprised he is not sueing Ludwig lmao
This is the 2nd video of yours I've seen and I thought you'd been doing this for years - that journalism degree is definitely being put to use
if this goes to court Ludwig should collab with Legal Eagle.
Or law by mike,
Or both
Those are crap lawyers and aren’t real practicing lawyers. Rekeita law & Robert Barnes are better actual practicing lawyers who give way better analysis.
“I’m gonna end before 8 minutes so there’s no midrolls” Mogul Mail is the best channel on the platform
True. That Ludwig guy could really learn a thing or two.
Thanks for the reasonable take. So many people think that this lawsuit is an easy win for Hans but this will likely go nowhere.
Legitimately this absolutely is the reason why you’re my favorite streamer. You tell phenomenal news/stories, dude. Thanks for trying to keep it impartial and factual while also putting your opinion in there later on based on the evidence.
I didn't know that staying under 8 minutes protects you from midrolls (I thought it just gave you more when you were above). Very cool move of you.
Magnus has literally never outright said that he cheated specifically because of this. Big brain moves
jesus christ, 5 replies and it's all bots
@@kaischreurs2488 its getting reallyyyyy bad.
You can defame off of implication. Harder to prove but possible.
This is just straight up untrue, you should delete this comment or edit it.
@@robbiekeen2644 🤡
Ive been waiting for this to drop
thank you for helping me study for my upcoming media law quiz
This really smacks of Nieman and his camp trying to intimidate people into ceasing any investigations into him
The case is for a total of 100M, not 400M
The hair speaks for itself
Oh my god what is this comment section
Was waiting for someone interesting to talk about this lawsuit so i can learn about it. !
This mogul mail guy is timely
Everything I've seen/read about this lawsuit leads me to believe its a SLAPP suit, there is absolutely no shot this suit wins any amount of money from anybody
Yep, but more like a PR 'I sooo didn't cheat that I'm willing to go to court to prove it! ' move to recover his image in the public eye.
oh 100%
Missouri isn't an anti-SLAPP state. This was likely done intentionally
Missouri state courts permit cameras. This case was filed in a federal court in Missouri
The end before midrolls was really slapping your nuts on the table, I respect it
This amount makes it feel like the whole thing is to get magnus and all of them to pull back on their cheating allegations, which in that case it could be hit with anti-slapp laws couldn't it?
Missouri isn't an anti-SLAPP state. This was likely done intentionally
Definitely not, Hans is cancelled in chess. That's his only way to get some money from his work:( Magnus corp is too powerful, no one can go against magnus & hikaru
Ludwig is the type of guy that checks how long his Wikipedia page is
czcams.com/video/I7OrZjDPh5w/video.html finally its here.
Why are you talking about Ludwig? This is mogul mail
@@fatmandoo Mr. Mail wished he had a wiki page like loodweig
Great Media coverage as always, though I think you could get equal views with a simple picture rather than these fake tweets
Excited for new ALAB series episode
How tf do you have time to do this on setup day of LIS? Teach me your ways
That’s the new tech.
This is the most insane lawsuit he could've come up with lmao.
He has no choice, his career is over. Hans can quit chess to not be homeless or do the last fight
The beads have spoken
My dream blunt rotations gotta be Ludwig, Mogul mail, and that one Ludwig guy that streamed on twitch
I always either watch Charlie’s or mogul mail’s video on any given subject
They have almost the same upload schedule
Hans really should sue Ludwig too LOL
One time someone told hans that they actually can’t ever tell if a strong player is cheating and just bet the house on it
thank you, you made sure to end before 8 minutes and you didnt stretch just to get mid roll ads.
Idk why but I find it so goofy that Lud had interacted with all of the people involved (on a personal level) before the whole drama
When hans said "it's lawing time" I felt that
He can sue all he wants, nothing going to happen, he has admitted to cheating so there is reason for suspicion.
Clearly the actions of a man who is all about honesty ...
So hyped for this
You should talk with legal eagle about this! It would be the perfect collab with perfect timing!
Its hard to sue people in the states when they are discussing the news, even if they are the ones who create the news. Like business insider, they are able to write a piece after conducting "research" accusing some one of something, once published it is now "news worthy" so the article is fair game. Cant see this making it to trial.
If you can prove that Magnus had no reason to believe Hans cheated and that he knew saying Hans cheated would cost Hans as much as it have then that *may* be enough to qualify as reckless disregard for whether his claims were true, but it’s pretty much impossible since Magnus have plenty of reason to believe Hans was cheating, including but not limited to Hans having cheated before even if only online.
Holy shit now this is what I call news.
@The TacoCat sweet vid but I can't help but notice you had the severed head of Jeffery Epstein in the background? what's going on with that?
@@jamescruz8678 what
@@black.purple just roll with it lmao
This whole thing is either for garnering public support, or maybe he's trying to bluff the defendants into settling out of court.
Chess world belongs to Magnus & hikaru... What support? He was cancelled from chess
ending before 8min for no mid rolls, man that deserves a like
Most people would draw a video out to 8 minutes to get the mid roll ad, Mogul Mail stops at 7:48 to prevent it. Hats off to you sir. May the algorithm be ever on your favor
As a current journalism major. I audibly cheered when Lud started talking about actual malice and Times V Sullivan.
Dude is suing for like 500x his net worth. Not sure how he's going to convince anyone that his projected earnings were $400-500 million before he was accused of cheating.
It's more than 500x lol. Hans hasn't even begun his career, with most of his earnings coming from minor tournaments and his streaming endeavours. The guy definitely doesn't have a million lol.
maybe hans is the engine himself like a fucking robot. than maybe he is a 400-500 mill project lmao.
That's not how a suit like this is written up all the 100million statements aren't added up to make 400-500million its only 100million and it will most likely end in settlement much less than 100million privately
@@Lord_Nikon33 exactly. He's overstating the damages so that any potential compromise will be more in his favor
Because when you negotiate, you throw out a larger number than you actually desire lol. His legal team expects hardly any of the accused damages to actually stick, and the ones that do will be considered worth much less compensation. Ultimately they are probably aiming to go for the 8 digit range and have zero expectation of getting 100m+.
The Sinquefield Cup is held in Missouri and Hans currently resides in Missouri
I every state there is usually one county that takes on frivolous cases.
The reason he is suing for $100 million is that to my knowledge when you sue you don't go for the amount of money that you actually want, you just say a really big number and then the judge will say the more reasonable number if you win. Again this is just to my knowledge and I might be wrong but I just wanted to add this for some people that might not know.
Pretty much, throw everything at the wall and see what sticks
Here is the full clip of paper : 📎
Damn bruh homelander really retired and started doing youtube
It's in Missouri because that's where this all started. At the tourney in STL.
I feel like this will lead to an immediate counter suit for defamation.
Imagine if he did actually cheat and somehow wins the suit. This shit would be the biggest heist ever lmfao
They should just solve it with a chess boxing match
Hans would take the fattest L of all time. Magnus would paint the walls with his blood 🤣
this is the only time i've heard a creator explicitly end a video quicker so there's less ads on it
This channel is popping off
imagine if the madlad actually pulls it off and singlehandedly bankrupts the whole chess scene
Hans needs to remember to take his chess beads out before entering the court room.
Just imagine he goes to court and the metal detector goes off on his ChessGMProstateMassagers™
The fact that he ended before 8 minutes so there wouldn’t be any midroll ads. Respect
I fully expected it to come to this I’m surprised it didn’t come sooner
Blond hair is growing on me not gonna lie. Also would be absolutely nuts if this went to court. On one hand, I'd feel bad cause it would be a huge waste of Judge/Jury's time. On the other hand............ reallllly good content.
Not sure I agree on it being a waste of time. Not siding with Hans, but his reputation will be forever tarnished from this. So if he is completely innocent of cheating otb, then it has ruined a big part of his life.
Most lawsuits start with crazy numbers because I believe it requires another judgement in order to increase the amount while not so for a lower amount. It also raises publicity for the lawsuit itself.