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Twitch Ads directly drive me off the platform every time. They are intrusive, rude, loud and obnoxious. Never mind the fact that if you accidentally refresh a stream you can get hit with 5 minutes of unskippable ads.
@@BlackR3ap3rPT LMAO, I'll give that a try to be honest.
I like your opinion but I gotta keep your 👍s at 69
This... makes me barely want to watch.
since there arent any brands in portugal that know about twitch only in christmas u get some ads, but without that, only pepsi ones and usually not that much
@QewPea lmaoooo i been saying rhis for so long. The vr one where her friend calls her a gamer nerd is the most tone deaf shit i ever seen. They trying so hard to relate but just end up looking ignorant.
Twitch is just killing itself... By spamming ads every 3 minutes
For real dude 💀
It’s mostly the streamer’s doing that
Ad free viewing on twitch for 8 a month. Love it to avoid pre roll ads
@@sophieosborne6463 I'm not spending 6 bucks when I watch only 30 mins a month
@@chrisxnt no it isn't , it's literally a automated system. All the streamer has to do is enable or disable it. Its not like they are manually spamming the ads , sure maybe some are , but you can also just optimize the ad spam with a program 😂
I actually find watching streams way easier on CZcams
A- doesn’t have the annoying twitch adds
B- you can rewind instantly and catch up easily skipping unnessary moment.
C-it’s so much easier to understand the order of vods.
The Twitch interface is so bad imo especially on mobile lol
@@highdefinition450 yeah and really bad delay is annoying
Dude, I'm stupid. I still don't know how to find streams on youtube
Oh my gosh. The twitch ads are so bad. I get 7 of them in a row and then 2 minutes later I get 5 more of them. If I switch tabs on my computer, the moment I switch bad, guess what? More ads. And they're all unskippable.
Plus, if you’re 10 or so minutes behind on a stream, you can play the video at 1.5x speed and catch up to the live viewing
As a mobile exclusive watcher, the twitch mobile streaming experience was just as bad if not worse than CZcams. I don’t chat bc I’m usually watching while I work on other stuff, but the fact that I can rewind on CZcams is amazing, not to mention for me personally twitch buffers like crazy compared to CZcams
@T S This isn’t a Q&A exactly, you can just share your thoughts if it’s relevant
@T S Your such a geek let the people share their experiences on twitch
@T S right and it’s as if im the one who says “who asked”
@T S you should go get help maybe that will help your mentality
You can’t rewind on all streams. Some streams you have to wait.
I think if either platform "wins", we are in big trouble. I'm hoping that CZcams becomes a big enough platform to be a real competitor against Twitch so that streamers can have more options and get paid better. If either one loses, everyone but the platform that wins will be worse off.
This comment makes no sense. CZcams has dominated this space for over a decade. It is mountains more popular than Twitch.
CZcams HAS BEEN “BIG ENOUGH” FOR YEARS NOW!
Google buying CZcams was only the beginning.
I feel like youtube should make it easier to find live streaming CZcams channels like twitch how it just shows the random streamers... maybe when you're going through the home page the first few rows of videos are just videos and then a little bit lower down would show youtube gaming with a bunch of live streams and then show random youtube shorts below that since that's a newer thing or so on
@@MagicalBread Sure, CZcams is objectively WAY more massive than twitch, but in terms of livestreaming it is still trailing behind Twitch. It has quite a ways to go to catch up, but it is becoming more and more legitimate pretty quickly.
@@JunkPrat1113 I agree, but I feel like it would be hard to implement it front and center since the livestreaming community on CZcams is miniscule in comparison to the overall CZcams community.
People don't realize that competition is actually really good
i went from 120 avg viewers to over 10k on my first YT stream. I love streaming on Twitch but YT is SO enticing...
Twitch is cuck
I feel that streaming on youtube as an already well known youtuber is much better for consolidation of audience.
Might need to try CZcams streaming
Hi mysticat! Love how creative your vids are!
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If you create CZcams content anyways your viewership will most likely increase if your Twitch Viewership is lower than your CZcams Views. You combine both and have some minor losses from both, but in the end if you move to your bigger platform you're gonna perform better.
I write this from a small content creators perspective. When I streamed on Twitch I had around 350 to 400 each stream. Since moving to CZcams 3 months ago I average between 30 to 50. The platform has a terrible user experience with next to no integrations and those it does have rarely work. Its worst for discoverability. I have been told by viewers on multiple times that my stream doesn't even show in the category I am streaming to. The reason I feel compelled to write this is the larger streamers who move across do not rely on the discoverability that us mere mortals at the lower end depend on. Grass roots streaming on CZcams is not a thing. I just thought some people may find that useful. Sorry for the epic amounts of text!!
Cool to see this perspective! I feel like when people are talking about the twitch to CZcams move, they mainly talk about the fact that already well developed creators are streaming exclusively on the platform, but fail to mention how poor the discoverability is for smaller streamers
thank you for this!! im thinking abt starting streaming at some point but want to focus on making videos. i thought just streaming and doing videos in one place would be better for consolidating viewers and stuff, but this is a really helpful perspective and convinced me otherwise, thank u! :D
I think it also it a lot more effort because you need to add tags, description, a thumbnail that will bring people in and make videos and shorts to also direct people to your channel.
That's a really good point, if you don't mind me asking why did you switch to CZcams then, and are you thinking about switching back? It sounds like as a small streamer it was easier to grow on twitch and move over to youtube once a larger audience is formed, or was there any benefits to youtube streaming that made it work for you despite a smaller audience?
@T S Well I'm sure glad Chotto Dragon was able to answer this 'Who' person's question
There NEEDS to be a separate CZcams Streaming app. They can connect it however they want to the original app, getting advice from creators and advertisers.
It is just WAY WAY WAY too hard to do CZcams long form videos, shorts, community posts and streaming all on the one app and have it a good navigation experience. I don't see how it will ever be possible. Especially because if people are watching a stream and get bored, there is fully made, creative, edited, fast paced videos that are much more attention grabbing literally on the exact same page. Just have a separate, CONNECTED CZcams brand app for streaming, it will fix majority of the issues (once you get all the channels and their connections with the OG app perfected).
Yea ever since Shorts were added it's been hard to keep up lol
Finding livestreams on CZcams is a HUGE HEADACHE, and is probably holding a lot of streamers back. However, I feel big livestreams, the planed out stuff, can get a lot more attention on CZcams. Perhaps an alternative to the offline chat problem would be to just keep the stream going but have a music playlist, like a radio, playing while offline.
why are people being so exaggerative, you literally type in the creators name in the search bar to find if they're streaming or not.
@@mondude89 Lud literally said that in the video. Its not about not finding the exact person you want to watch, its about discovering people. Just looking through people that are online, you also dont always remember every streamers name you watch. Maybe you want to watch a specific game. Twitch perfected that exact thing and that is one of the big points why its so huge
@@bastip7883 You can search that specific game and then turn on "Live" in the filters.
CZcams definitely isn't a live streaming platform and to make it some sort of centrepiece in the average persons feed would actually take away value from the platform as a whole. Live streaming should be something creators have to do on the side of uploading actual videos because then they have a community that will know their streaming schedule and actually bother searching it up unlike twitch where anyone can get viewers who've scrolled too far down the recommended pages.
@@Lemonator32 So instead of just being able to see whos streaming what game and just click on a certain games banner and being able to see whos streaming, your solution/excuse is that you can just search for a game and need to go in to the filters and activate the live option? Dont u see how much more work that is?
People dont want to bother with that kind of shit. Also nobody uses the fucking youtube filter system. Thats why everyone says its a worse experience than twitch.
Honestly, just the fact that I can open a stream on CZcams and not immediately get an ad instantly makes it a better experience for me than Twitch. I also just like watching, I almost never type in chat and I feel like the CZcams player is better for livestreams with the ability to rewind live.
The rewindability is so fkin good, I'm always so annoyed when I watch something on twitch and am reminded that's not a thing on there haha
90% of the time I just won't watch a twitch stream because of the ads even if I like the streamer. Only streams I join often now that twitch runs 6 ads are ones I have a gift sub or they don't run ads.
@@piss9133 so true! I never watched a LilyPichu so long before on CZcams
kid named adblocker
100%, I can't stand the instant ad just to see what a streamer is up to and if I want to settle in for a bit. I hardly go on Twitch anymore.
As a viewer, I much prefer CZcams streams, but as a streamer, it’s so much harder to get to a profitable size on CZcams. I started streaming six months ago and made affiliate in a week but my CZcams channel for my streams is still not even monetised. CZcams really requires you to have an audience before you start streaming. Ideal situation would be the ability to stream on both at the same time, but I don’t think it’s going to happen!
That's a weirdly sensible take from you. You haven't been drinking today yet, wtf? :P
didn't twitch add nonexclusivity to their contracts?
@@witheraway.6562 Yes, but you still can't stream simultaneously
Twitch affiliate is the biggest bait ever lmao. If you can’t get monetized on CZcams and you are a twitch affiliate, you just played yourself. Think of why literally anyone who tries can be a twitch affiliate.
10:33 The way VTubers fix this problem is they make a scheduled stream way ahead in the future, make the thumbnail the schedule for that week, and title the stream as "Free Chat" or "Schedule" and have chat enabled.
From being a CZcams viewer, here are some tips for the streamers:
- Schedule your stream beforehand, people can get a reminder when its live to all their devices
- Put up a video and advertise your stream (link the stream)
- Use community posts, they work (polls, whatever)
- Shorts are stupidly pushed at the moment so put a few up with sampler content to drive people to your channel
@P Zd no shot a pro zd mimic bot came in, advertised the bot video, and then came back to agree with the given statement
@@apollothehealinghunter5328 I feel honored to get my first spam bot response to a comment. Truly we are living in the future.
@@apollothehealinghunter5328 came back? I'm pretty sure they posted the second reply immediately after the first one
@@apollothehealinghunter5328 Nah, that's a bot strategy, they are sometimes programmed to do this.
How does the reminder work because I've never once actually gotten the reminder... I click it once in a while just to see. But like, I'll be watching other videos while waiting for stream to start, and I get nothing about it
I actually completely disagree personally on CZcams being a worse streaming experiance. The CZcams player being able to pause/catch up on live streams is an absolute game changer to me and dwarfs any of the benefits of twitch. I also find it pretty easy to find the creators I already follow as they just appear in the subscription feed if they are live. Discoveribility is definitely worse on CZcams, but it's not like Twitch is doing that very well either. They both fail pretty hard at that and so as a viewer I think the benefits of CZcams streaming outweigh the negatives
Yeah the sidebar shows the people you’ve subscribed to with the ones live at the top
I agree, being able to pause and/or go back along the video timeline on YT is awesome. But they need to have button which will quickly take you back to the live feed. Right now you either have to drag along the progress bar to get to the end again, which quite often pauses the video anyway, or you have to refresh the whole page.
I'd love it if they could change the 'Next' button to a 'Catch Up' button on live streams.
@@NewWakeSystems you can tap the "LIVE" Symbol on the left side of the video bar to jump to realtime
The only thing I really don’t like about CZcams streams is vods. If you watch a stream for even a minute the vod will say you’ve watched it all the way through and when you have to stop watching a stream but want to finish it after it’s ended, it’s annoying to have to skip through to find where you were
@@NewWakeSystems You actually can get back to the live content if you press the live button at the bottom, the one with the grey or red dot
one other thing twitch has over youtube at the moment is their developer API. twitch's dev portal is much more powerful, with extension support and a ton of ways to interact with the chat itself through programming. this can let game devs do amazing things that youtube just can't quite do. if youtube ever adds these kind of features I would start to heavily consider switching
I know a common thing that much smaller youtuber streamers do to solve the no offline chat thing is to literally just upload a future livestream video (some put the thumbnail to be the schedule for the week) thats scheduled for like YEARS in the future. that way people can chat and hang out in the waiting room for that and then all collectively move to the newest stream. the downside is that they have to *move* to the right stream, it doesnt just automatically start like twitch does
I honestly hope this doesn’t end in twitch being undone, multiple streaming platforms is important for the industry imo
I mean before CZcams started pushing their streaming there was no competitor to twitch for years, and that seemed fine.
@@plutigvid true but i do believe since the industry is so much more mainstream now competition is important for growth and stability, especially when it comes to the wellbeing of creators n fairness of contracts (dunno if i explained that right lol)
@@plutigvid That's exactly why Twitch is so shit nowadays, they've held a monopoly for far too long, they became too comfortable being the only platform streamers could join and make an actual living.
Totally. I just hope that CZcams lasts long enough to be able to grow a Livestream community outside of just the big name contracts before they are squashed by Twitch. On the same note, I hope Twitch fixes themselves before CZcams completely overtakes them.
@@plutigvid that doesn't seem fine at all. That just means twitch could do whatever they want. If you aren't a decent size twitch streamer how would you know if it was fine or not
If you want a offline chat, you can do what others do, schedule a stream for a year or so later, and label it as free chat. This allows people to talk in the prestream chat.
Or you know, CZcams can stop being lazy and make it easier for streamers to build a community
@@QT43_ Nobody is saying that CZcams can't do better, they are saying there is something you can do to substitute for the time being.
That is the best idea
monk
@@QT43_ fantasy land lol
The best thing to ever happen to Destiny was debatably getting banned from Twitch. As someone who works and is pretty busy, it makes so much more sense to get on CZcams, start at the beginning of the stream and turn it on 1.5x speed and get caught up on everything
I started watching a lot more since the move . One of my favourite features is the play back as you can rewind and then play at a faster speed. Just wish the mobile experience is better. However it feels like the platform has created a more close nit identy imo, with scheduling and having 30mins it helps actually catch the streams a lot. The algorithm is better ( between August and November I had basically become a yard only fan and before that I would watch more stanz and atrioc at peek among us and early 2021)
I feel like Ludwig’s endgame is to sell truffle/MM to CZcams, and become like “head of live content” or something at YT. He’s got the ideas for it.
That would be the ultimate Mogul Move
I feel the same. Then the Ludwig/QT duo with their friends over at Beyond the Summit can coordinate all the IRL CZcams streamer events that would put Twitch Rivals to shame.
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Ludwig boss fight in bloodborne is way better than this youtuber
Could definitely see that happening and it would be pretty dope.
the one thing that youtube is missing for me, as you said, is categories for streamers and streams to divide themselves so that it is less hassle for views to search and find new streamers for what they enjoy instead of having to get lucky searching around every other live channel in one place. Or even just a algorithm live tab that is like the recommended page but for what you enjoy.
I feel like it shouldn't even be that hard for YT to do this -- they've done it exceptionally well with preuploaded videos for ages. While live streams are certainly different in nature, they're not that different at the end of the day.
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That explains why I've seen a couple content creators do this! I thought they were just planning something much earlier.
@@etekweb my assumption is that there are not enough viewers/streamers to do so for the livestreams tab, cuz once I started regularly watching CZcams streams, my homepage had pretty good livestream recommendations alongside preuploaded videos and premieres as well.
CZcams have CZcams Gaming Tab for the Streaming what are playing a game but we needed a Just Chatting Tab
i love the switch reveal videos i think the creative ways of doing the colors and theming around the person have always been fun. I know its just an advertisement but its interesting seeing everyones take on the same thing
Personally speaking, I've never watched Lud more than since he switched to CZcams (if that makes any sense), mainly because I live in a part of the world where people usually stream when it's nighttime or early morning for me, and at those times, I'm not gonna get up from my comfort to boot up the PC just to watch a stream, and because the twitch mobile experience is GARBAGE(!!), watching his streams on CZcams now, is much easier and smoother, I don't really care about emotes or community interaction, I just put it on, and if it's something interesting enough, I'll stick around, if it's not, either I go to bed or get up to start my day...
Also, the VOD watching experience on CZcams, is MUCH smoother than it is on twitch, whether it's browser or mobile! watching VODs on mobile actually PISSES ME OFF, so I never go on there for past streams, so I basically almost never watch anything on twitch unless I go out of my way and make time for a planned stream or something.... and even those i can't catch nowadays.
So yeah, personally, I'm really starting to hate using twitch in general, but I guess SOME people I keep up with are still there I guess I'll still go on it every now and then **shrug**
Same.. As international user, I love YT over anything. It might be difficult to adjust for new users, but its definitely more smooth and convenient in general.
Hey Lud, Don't know if you'll see this but what a lot of japanese Vtubers do is they set a video premier/schedule a live stream for 20 years in the future, and title it offline chat. While that isn't the greatest solution, it is something that you could try.
Lmao that's a great solution lol
Can you elaborate with what this would do?
@@benjo3459 it sets up a prestream chat as one would have normally, but because the stream never starts it's essentially functions as an offline chat that one would have on twitch.
@@kevinplayslolalot and set that up on CZcams? As like those chats on the live that hasn't started yet /20 yrs from now / never
@@benjo3459 Yeah if you go to say Lamy ch. She's a JP vtuber that has a live stream that never starts and its titled free chat. Usually she changes the thumbnail of the stream to be her schedule for the week. Not many people are actively chatting in it at all times, but its there for people who want it.
Honestly I think that Fuslies switch makes so much sense I constantly watch her youtube videos and i’m excited to see where youtube live streaming takes her
True tbh
agreed! to me the vod watching experience is so much better on YT and i watch her gta streams start to finish. I'm happy for the chance
I don't know her much, can you Explain?
She also has that nice old YT vibe and has been a streamer for over 7 years so she's bringing to yt experience... and probably sponsors lol
Love hearing your take. Devin Nash spoke on this recently too.
Also love the notepad tech
im really glad more people are switching to youtube. my twitch experience has been bittersweet. i joined a few months prior to the ad increase, and even before that i was annoyed but the unskippable, cringy ads that attempted to 'appeal' to the twitch audience, only to crash and burn. at least with youtube's ad system, there's very few and the ads are at least tolerable, if not a few of them actually being interesting, and i find myself watching them fully in interest. plus, youtube ads usually try to land on videos that correlate with their products. farming game? farming [game] related ads. cooking video? cooking related ads. with twitch, they act as if they whole lot of the community is the exact same and it irks me. once youtube gets their things together and stops this demonetization, striking, and age restriction nonsense, alongside improves their streaming discovery, i think we're finally going to have a more solid platform than what has slowly became an unstable one over the years.
In regards to the offline chat, I've seen a lot of creators have premiers scheduled for some date in the far future, that allows for the live chat of the premiere to be used in much the same way as Twitch's offline chat
This. I've seen all the JP vtubers do this.
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You don't use premieres because that requires an actual video to be uploaded (though that comes with the benefit of adding trailers which can serve as BGM if you wanna put in the work). Most streamers I see use scheduled livestreams with an inactive streaming key, that way it doesn't really matter when you schedule it for and it will always be up.
Yeah, I was going to comment the same thing but was sure someone else said the same. Premiering videos even from 5 years from now, like on JP channels like Hololive, have small offline communities of people that works fine here on YT.
Yeah usually titled Free chat. Alit of vtubers do this. Specifically in JP
This is a double edged sword for Twitch. They might just die with this, or maybe... just maybe some newer streams will be able to occupy the bigger spaces. But I doubt that will happen because many big streamers are also taking the viewers with them who came to just watch them.
I don't know about that. It's not like most people only watch Ludwig. Some of them probably switch over to Moist or something when Ludwig isn't streaming. I'm sure a lot of streamer's viewers crossover with other streamers. I don't think Twitch will ever have a problem making stars out of small streamers to replace the ones that left for CZcams.
Hey Lud! On the topic of offline chat, vtubers (yeah, yeah, what a weeb ik) actually schedule a “stream” months/ a year ahead and title the “stream” as offline chat and use it as a way for their community to have an offline chat here in CZcams.
your cameo in the fuslie video was actually pretty funny. I definitely want to see more skit like content
This is why competition between private companies is a good thing. Consumers benefit because consumers hold the power. I’m glad twitch is losing its technical monopoly. If only Amazon or college board got a competitor.
bro Amazon owns Twitch
@@LivelyEngineer awwwwe sheeeeeett… well it’s kind of different cause Twitch and Amazon do wildly different things (as in the services they provide)
It can also be a very bad thing like how ads now plague both platforms. Or when iPhones stopped including charging blocks which now most phones don’t include them.
Duoply is marginally better than monopoly
Amazon is kinda hard to compete with due to the fact that economies of scale are very efficient. You need crazy investment and excellent supply networks to be able to compete.
College board, I completely agree with.
It's hard as an international viewer, where I can't watch most of my favourite creators live, and have to rely on vod channels. not everyone has a vod channel, and watching the livestreams back directly on twitch is so infuriating, you get about 3, 30 second ads per 10 minutes
Twitch experience outside the us and other main countries is really intresting
I stay in the middle east and I do not speak the language at all. Twitch dosent show ads thankfully for some reason over here, but that means people dont have a reason to subscribe to you unless you offer them something else (Discord Roles, access to videos bfre they are posted, community nights, you name it)
As an english speaking streamer that goes live when everyone goes to sleep, I expected to have no one watch me
but somehow the malaysian community found me
I am extremely grateful that it happened, but the fact that I am 4 hours behind them and they still watch me is baffling to me.
Ive expected the Middle east or european audience to be my core but I got lucky
what I wanted to say was,
when some of the core problems with twitch (ads being intrusive) are no longer a problem, it makes it so that creators have to get, well... creative and for those communities to move over to youtube in the future, it would mean that twitch needs to screw up even more than what they already have done.
the next few years is going to be intresting to observe
To Ludwig’s point about community - I entered the song contest mentioned in the video. This guy had 144 people enter the song contest and for the sake of the time, had his moderators make a cut to 32 songs. This was an unpopular decision with those that had entered the contest and didn’t make the cut because everyone assumed the songs would at least be played on stream making the hours of work worth it no matter the result.
This got a little bit of negative attention in his Reddit but he could have kept it the way it was and it would have blew over in a week.
BUT! To make about 100 people in his community happy, he decided to listen to every song entered ON STREAM. I had other contestants blowing me up on discord about what was happening and it was a super exciting moment for all of us.
Ludwig built an absolutely kick ass community, I’m glad he made the switch to CZcams 🤘
I think the bigger focus should be this: the success that a creator like you has achieved could not really have been done by solely focusing on twitch. It seems like Pokimane is seeing that as well with her recent video.
@LasanAbi🌈 Incel harder, my dude.
Anyone who watches pokimane is an actual braindead clown 🤡
@LasanAbi🌈 you really just waited for any random mention of her so you could rant about how much you don't like her huh. not even remotely related issues gj
@LasanAbi🌈 dudes talking about meaningless content but watches sneako bro kick rocks
@@Jess-yk5hi they cant help but out themselves ever time
I feel the hardest thing about CZcams streams is that typically people watching CZcams enjoy the nice quality videos and when you are so used to that, then go to a CZcams stream, the quality can suck and it can be a little slow. If the average CZcams frog isn’t used to that I totally understand why you would click off. Whereas twitch you’re going in to watch a video that could lose quality or have time where it’s slower. That’s just one take I guess
Yea but at least you can watch the video. Twitch ads make me want to click off the site immediately
That's me. I'm too used to CZcams style videos: 8 to 15 minutes of condensed content. I rarely watch livestreams even of the creators I really like. The few times a good creator links to their twitch stream I know I might try but I won't be able to stand watching them there, beyond the slower format just the ad frequency there is a nightmare.
@@eastcoastoverlord You need learn the ability to wait for 15 seconds to a min.
@@WarriorCJ909 Try 10 minutes after 6 1 and a half minute unskippable ads. I can wait 30 seconds just fine. I already do on CZcams
@@eastcoastoverlord WTF ads are you getting at most I get like 3 30 second ads
For a long time it feels like the streamers (and viewers) coming from Twitch to CZcams simply treat it as another Twitch, rather than learning the functionalities of CZcams streaming and how to make the most out of it. It took Ludwig so long to realize that with streams, VODs and videos on the same platform (not necessarily channel), you're able to maximize engagement by directing live viewers to well produced content that is about to premiere. Now I wonder when Ludwig will learn to make an empty stream reservation for "offline chat".
Regarding offline chat- a lot of vtubers set up a scheduled live stream dated for like a year in advance called free chat that functions similarly. Its not quite the same as it has to be on a separate chat from the main livestream, but it has similar vibes. Its nice sometimes to chat there instead of the main video too, as usually less people are hanging around.
I feel like Atrioc could be really successful if he switched to CZcams. He has a huge CZcams presence, and I feel like a lot more of his CZcams viewers would tune in to his stream if he went live on the same platform.
For real, I recently started watching him and he's hilarious but theres no way in hell I'm going on Twitch to catch a stream
Yeah, marketing monday is pretty much the only thing I watch consistently on twitch bc he plans it all ahead of time and it’s similar to a very long youtube video
Im already a vod frog so you are 1000% correct. Though i feel like big a is far too personally invested in twitch to do that especially when he doesnt really need the extra money or exposure in his eyes.
I LOVE ATRIOC
He should have switched a long time ago, given that fact that he only get the typical 50/50 split rather than the 75/25 that Twitch no longer give out years ago. A CZcams stream leading straight into a new CZcams video like how Ludwig does it would doubles his CZcams views quickly.
Most people have grew dependent on their Twitch Primes though. It does feel scary to leave that guarantee lunch behind.
Damn I kinda respect that you acknowledged how preferable edited/produced CZcams vids are to streams lol
(I've watched a ton of your vids but rarely hang long on a stream, Mogul Money finale is one of those exceptions for the reasons you gave)
Fr 100%
Yeah, the last time I've watched a stream properly was months ago.
the point at 6:00 is very true, at least in my experience, if i click on a stream on youtube, it’s probably because i want something to listen to while i find a video i want to watch.. but if i click on a stream on twitch it’s because i want to watch the stream,
then i get hit with 40 unskippable ads and question my decision making skills
I love that the description links to the twitch livestream
I actually prefer the yt livestream experience. The ability to pause live is something I use so much! Instantly being able to rewind when something funny or crazy happens. I rarely watch twitch nowadays besides once a week when critical role streams and I sorely miss the pause and rewind then. YT can definitely make some improvements and discoverability is dog 💩, but I’ve really grown to enjoy watching streams on yt.
I do also click off streams at times to watch videos, but I love that I can instantly come back after and pick up where I left off from the stream. Super convenient. I haven’t been able to try truffle (I watch on mobile), but I’m sure with that too, yt streams would easily be my preferred way to watch streamers.
CZcams is really smart to bring over whole communities rather than just the largest streamers. YT still has a lot of work to do to improve the livestreaming experience overall but if my community has switched platforms, my incentive to pay subscriptions or sit through 10 ads every 20 minutes is gone too. Well played CZcams.
use adblocker works like a charm
@Thank me later 🅥 didn´t ask
Just get an adblocker or just pay for premium it’s worth it.
@@SEVRR premium twitch?
@@beantreats nitro removes ads on twitch
Viewership really doesn't matter via you are live or off-line... you can go live, then after it's live you can still get views... or make a video and still get viewers... that's the beauty of CZcams it's 24/7 and you don't have to be on CZcams live! You can make the bag while sleeping! lol What Ludz said is true, you have more time to create and grow your community for your fans and add different channels for more content about different subjects, part of your own eco-system!
Yeah I rarely ever watch twitch and I had no idea who you were till one of your videos was recommended, glad to have found you and The Yard.
Something I wanted to add onto the whole "bag and community" point is that CZcams, at least I feel, are going for people who have communities that aren't deep into twitch culture. Most of the people they've gotten are people that are not very deep into twitch chat culture, which makes the switch for streamers a lot easier, since they don't have to worry about their community drastically changing when they switch
For sure. Getting otk and otk adjacent people to switch over is probably not possible since they are much more ingrained in twitch.
People in the bubble of sykkuno, Rae, fuslie and so on have repeatedly criticized twitch chat culture, especially in gta rp related stuff, and while this move won’t fix that I’ve heard streamers say the chat on yt isn’t as bad mostly.
twitch chat has its positives for sure. the streamers switching over still engage with their chat but even when they were on twitch they more and more relied on themselves for content.
They’re not like mizkif who are able to go hours on end with literally just their chat. And they don’t need to since they have to stream less hours. And I haven’t seen a yt streamer who didn’t use that for making more quality content on stream or videos.
Something Ive seen some YT streamers do for the "offline chat" is having a "stream" scheduled like 6 months ahead for people to just use the chat in that never will go live.
I mean it's cool that that works but it'd still be nice if no workaround was needed, right?
5:40 I think it's because switching to another stream will just have 5 ads waiting for you and also the emotes
It might just be luck but recently I’ve been seeing streamers I’ve subscribed to in my recommended videos on the side and on my home page way more. I think I’ve clicked over a bunch more but I don’t tend to stick around long since I usually have a queue of more videos I want to watch but I’m at least way more aware and checking in and maybe catching an ad. Off the top of my head I think I’ve maybe seen two streams recommended of people I wasn’t subscribed to over the course of the entire summer so I don’t think that’s really changed at all but now I’m at least aware that like you are live while I’m here.
I think that before making the switch from Twitch to CZcams, a streamer must first and foremost ask the question of, "why am I switching?" They should consider what the CZcams platform is. It is a bunch of videos made by people/content creators. As a streamer you will have to compete with these people. If all you do is stream? Then don't make the switch, you're better off on Twitch. If you make videos? Like have an editor or you are your editor that makes compilation videos or what you stream turns into a video or if you record videos yourself. Then make the switch.
XQC is what I would deem as a prime example, all he does is stream. He doesn't edit videos and upload them to CZcams or records a video for the expressed purpose to upload it to CZcams later, he just streams. He should stay on Twitch. While on the other hand, Ludwig. He hits record and makes videos for the express intent to upload them onto CZcams. He made the switch and he is able to do more because of it. The intention of the switch should determine if you do. No intention to make videos, then don't. Intention to make videos, then do.
How tf do u have time to type out a whole mf essay In the utube comments
@@wh7988 thats an essay to you? oh my sweet summer child. thats two paragraphs. nothing compared to what I type for research papers
I feel like youtube is better for hobby streamers and twitch is for the full timers.
Well said!
The fact that CZcams is becoming this powerful, I wouldn't be surprised if twitch just becomes irrelevant in 3-4 years
LMFAO 0 creators have jumped ship without a big contract, that means these creators are only leaving when receiving a bunch of money. Twitch is fine
I don't think it will be irrelevant, I think it will be like how twitch was like last month
@@Cancer. i don't think you're right. a main reason a lot of people aren't going to yt is because yt isn't as good for streaming but it's getting better very fast. and i'm thinking that as more and more people switch over it will be more attractive to other streamers.
@@Cancer. thats just not how that works though, many of these creators might have went to youtube regardless but when you see all your friends get huge contracts its better for you to wait it out and hope you get one as well
Mixr is gonna kill twitch.
I feel people don’t give enough credit to being able to pause, fast forward, rewind, and have more control of your viewing experience on CZcams. Twitch you’re forced to always watch the most recent thing happening (ignoring past broadcast trick). I can pause a stream leave for an hour and come back and continue an hour behind skipping “dead air” eventually catching up again on YT
11:52 Enna Alouette Streaming - you're missing out on quality Screams.
I dont know, it makes sense to me that it's a bit diverse and you can take your pick.
and honestly, the more you watch someone or a specific category of Stream/video, the more YT recognizes the pattern and recommends you similar or other related videos that other viewers go to or watch.
And it's honestly hard to "retain" live/casual viewers and YT recognizes this and is "somewhat" making systems for these kinds of things by using your recommended page to let you know that "hey, you watched this video up to this time, do you maybe wanna continue watching this?". which is an option although I dont know how effective but me personally am appreciative of this feature and use it a lot.
In the end, It's all about understanding the human mind when it comes to these things. So I dont know.
Hot take, I prefer the mobile livestreaming experience on CZcams simply because the website is better. The stream runs smoother and at higher quality on mobile than twitch ever did because twitch is a horribly optimized website. But I may be alone in that
Mobile Twitch feels like a completely different platform, compared to PC, that is stuck in 2016. Don't even get started on trying to use Twitch on literally anything else like a console or Kindle. At least mobile CZcams streams still feel like CZcams.
You're definitely not in the minority here. I watch a bunch of CZcams streams in the mornings (Doc, Tim, Lupo for example) and it's way higher quality, smoother, plus there's less delay and NO ADS.
Not alone m8, I certainly watch way more on YT's mobile site due to its simplicity, unlike Twitch's mobile version...
Also, it feels way easier to see your feed in YT Mobile, and it at least still feels like YT in pretty much every way, lol.
agreed as fuck
When I’m not at home I often can’t even load a twitch stream on my phone. It’s so horribly optimized
I’m a CZcams guy through and through. I love some twitch streamers though but streams are so hard to keep my attention unless it’s like an otk game show. Ludwig hits the nail on the head with CZcams and twitch.
I like how your descriptions for all of your mogul mail videos still have your twitch link after watch me live hahah
6:26 I feel the same way I don’t like streams cause every time I start watching one nothing seems to ever be happening
I found Ludwig through CZcams & loved his videos but always found it hard to watch him live on twitch. I watch him live a lot more now and much prefer the experience here than on twitch. I love getting to rewind a little bit to catch something I missed, and then if there’s a lul and I want to skip back ahead I can. If I go back 10 seconds or so then there’s no delay in chat and I like that
10:33 you can do an offline chat by creating a scheduled livestream for months in the future. You can talk in the prechat and I've seen many VTubers do it and set the thumbnail as their weekly schedule but you could set it as anything like new merch stuff or other announcements you want on the front of your page
I'm with the videos > streaming thing. Specifically, the game I play actually wouldn't stream that well. Thanks for the input!
I might be late with this but it's really easy to find out who is live on yt. You just have to click the 3 lines(top left) and expand the menu, everyone that is live and you are subscribed to shows up at the top of the subscription tab with a red simbol near them; similar to twitch
Best thing about Lud’s switch specifically. He finally can talk openly about problems a platform has without fear of loosing his livelihood
I totally agree with needing streaming platform competition but, I love seeing all of my favorite creators switch over and see them actually happy and healthy. Good luck you guys!
10:32 fix for offline chat is discord. A lot more people need to start using the app. It’s amazing and allows creators to share anything instantly with their community plus they can discuss it as a community.
Coming from a mod perspective in the OTV/ CB sphere and being able to talk to those moss switching over, CZcams also really really needs to put some effort into their mod tools. No logs, can only delete messages and timeout people for 5 minutes, which you can't undo either. The fast moving chats also make it super hard, which Truffle helps with but the fact that CZcams can't fix that is just painful.
I also keep seeing the comments saying "CZcams is better cause you can rewind", only of the streamer allows it, and the only other thing is less ads. Which I can understand but to say CZcams is better just isn't it right now.
Hey lud I love the channel it keeps me up to date on a few different interesting things that are happening
@im calling saul reminder these are bots with the format of [link], linebreak and then "link to the clip something something." just report them and get your day on.
One thing not talked about a great deal is the impact that Vtubers have on CZcams streaming. To this day they still have some of the most watched CZcams streams ever. There are hundreds of thousands of people watching vtubers during any given hour of the day and more of those channels are moving over to CZcams. Hololive and Nijisanji especially have been rapidly growing in the youtube live streaming sphere. Now that Twitch has gotten rid of the forced exclusivity even more have jumped to youtube.
The thing that I agree with I agree the idea it isn't for the community only for a couple of reasons first he has stated and everyone knows it is harder to keep the same community during the switch the second is that you don't get anything new by going to CZcams and by Community I'm pretty sure he means a Big Community because CZcams's live streaming Community still growing I think the only real counter argument that you can give is that by them getting a bag they can add and do more with their Community by using that money also lastly the reason why I can see that take being more valid is because CZcams does not have a section for live stream or at least a known one that is knowable like the most forced tab the shorts
I like this title wheel segment. You should do this for as many episodes as possible. I like seeing the other titles that could have been.
I think once CZcams makes the live stream tab better, it might encourage more people to switch over. Like the livestream tab takes you to the homepage of Livestream and has a bunch of different categories you can choose from, like how twitch does it. Hopefully with better organization tho.
Bruh I don’t even know how to find live streams on CZcams (i’m on mobile)
@@electriccruiser7796 I don't know how to find live streams on both PC and mobile
@@Gordoxgrey lol right, like at least when I go to Twitch I can find the live streams cause they’re all there.
@@electriccruiser7796 Surely the CZcams software engineers can add a new tab onto the side called "Live" and it contains your subscribed channels streams, recommended streams and Explore
Y’all need to use the app more. Hit explore and thank me
I think both platforms are killing themselves. They’ve both been repeatedly making terrible decisions nobody likes, and both are mostly loved for their content creators, not the platform itself. I hope both get better, but I feel like it’s only going downhill from here.
I agree, both platform is bad
The problem here is where are you going to go? There is no other major streaming site. Although i do agree that both platforms have their problems. Twitch atm is really shooting themselves in the foot right now with not enforcing their own rules. Atm twitch are killing themselves so much faster. So its not when are they going die, its when is 1 going to die because the viewership will just migrate to the one that is alive.
Atm that looks like youtube to me
love how in your description you still link to twitch for live-streaming lol
Agreed on the whole videos part. When you're watching a CZcams stream it's just so easy to drift away on a slow part into a video and then another video, etc. Video creators are just so damn good at what they do.
Also, IMO, youtube app and experience is so user friendly vs twitch it actually hurts streams. When you're watching a twitch stream you better never close that damn tab bc getting back on the stream is a mess of ads, lag, bad connections, poor UI etc, whereas everything is so simple and nice in youtube as a user you easily switch content instantly.
It's so strange to me that CZcams is spending so much money on securing creators yet seemingly doing nothing to improve the livestreaming experience (on both the creator and viewer end)
Twitch for me is like a best friend going through rough times, you hate to see it go downhill because you spent so many years in it and involved in several communities. I hope they manage to improve things.
if you hit the button explore on the left nav you can see they're trying to make an effort in the direction you're talking about around min 11:00 for discoverability, it's probably not that intuitive. But yt does way to many things at once it's probably a long research before they find a natural way to sort things out
even when i dont tune in to streams anymore, and not all the main channels vids, mogul mail feels like home
Can we all just appreciate and thank lud for making good videos especially when some people are going through some hard times
are you ok?
I've noticed allot of vtubers do have offline chat on CZcams by making a stream waiting room where the stream starts in a year, so the community can go there and do whatever. So you could try to do that to solve the "no offline chat" problem
For streaming purposes and not just uploaded VODs, CZcams is still in a medieval stage of its streaming services compared to Twitch. Whereas with Twitch can be used to program certain interactions, be it making icons rain on screen, clicking on the actual stream screen to highlight parts of the screen, having channel points to award frequent viewers, partnerships with games as an incentive to make people watch people playing certain games; CZcams just has CTA (call to action) commands that not everyone probably knows can be implemented. On top of that, most streams can't be saved beyond 11h 55m. Additionally, discoverability as a streamer on CZcams is hard unless your paying to be advertised or you already have an audience before you started streaming.
This isn't to say that Twitch has it's own problems. They're getting rid of channel hosting (featuring other channels when the stream is offline), they still haven't done anything to fix the problem with those who abuse tags (tag themselves in a category for clout), you have to manually save VODs, no comment sections (for better or worse), and frequent payment problems (which I experienced first hand when Twitch accused me of stealing someone's credit card to gift subs).
Either way, if one wins other the other, we're screwed unless we find a new platform that's equally excellent on streaming and video creation.
Going into the gaming section in the explore tab and clicking on a game you like is the best way to discover people you may want to watch on CZcams
Thanks Ludwig for giving recognition to the early chat at about 10:30! We only have the offline chat experience (on YT) at the countdown to going live, and having truffle do something where we can expand on that is an incredible idea. There are some really cool people in that community!
Always enjoy hearing Lud’s takes on all these events 🙂👍
I actually enjoy the YT mobile player more than Twitch. Pausing/rewinding/hitting live helps a lot. Twitch mobile is always bugging out on me and crashing, even when I know I have a good internet connection and the app is up to date. Not to mention, you don’t HAVE to sub/member to any YT channel in order to get ad-free watching, whether it’s live or videos- YT Premium takes care of that and I freaking LOVE IT.
After looking at Ludwig videos, i was not expecting him to be so good at this gig .. he probably could become a full time journalist... All the videos are deep and detailed and thought out... Really enjoy this channel and format!!
it really depends on who is the creator or streamer. But for the streamer who were invited, youtube will definately push them into the recomendation segment it dosent work for everybody but its good to try on both :)
I guess I have mixed feelings as a viewer. CZcams streams are fine to watch and I like that there is competition (I really hope that it doesn’t revert to a Team Red or Team Purple monopoly). I know where to find the creators I want to watch and watching fewer ads is great.
At the same time I can’t shake the feeling that these changes feel very contrived and overdone. I’m not sure this is a sustainable model to buy streamers for large amounts like this for CZcams, while Twitch seems to be screwing over its future with most decisions it makes. It feels like a bubble environment that will create an economic winter for this space if it bursts or if the economy goes south.
I get youtube's hesitation. Every time over the last 15 years that they've ever made a change to the website we've called it stupid. And that's because everyone of those changes was fucking stupid. But, this time they need to change something. An overhaul of organizing this site as the media library it's going to be. Livestreams, Shorts, Videos, Movies/TV, all orgnaized in their own places with fully fledges features for each. Keep the community aspects strong. I'm always in favor of giving back the old creative options for channels. Let us have myspace pages that play ska music. It could be a social media platform all about sharing media. It'd be a big swing but if they pulled it off they'd have youtube set to be damn near be a public utility
it'd be amazing if they brought back the ability to customize the whole channel page again, but it's doubtful any social media would return to that "early web 2.0" style. the main issue is just how much people use phones/tablets. big social media sites want it to be the same experience on mobile as it is on desktop (which is why we have for example, twitter mobile for desktop essentially. remember when you could customize your background on twitter, and it'd apply on the homepage??)
i definitely agree that organization needs to be improved for all methods of accessing youtube. i hate clicking on a channel and seeing so many shorts - and when clicking on one, scrolling down for the next one gives you just a random short instead of the next one for that channel.
I just want the dislike count back 🥺
@P Zd you dare use our lord's name in vain
It's really hard to keep everybody happy with huge changes like that, and I can guarantee that most CZcams users (the ones that only watch videos) will say that the change is stupid and unnecessary. I personally would LOVE to have that kind of organization, but right now, youtube remains a video-focused site.
Well u should click on ' explore ' button to know about it they have already sorted every game live streams there
For me I find it more convenient as I'm more of an highlights person but watch vods time to time and toon in to the streams. The vids and highlights are both in CZcams but if the person's an twitch streamer I have to go to an whole another site/app. While if the person streams on CZcams I would know by the person profile pic after watching an highlights that the person's streaming rn.
Luckily CZcams recommends your streams to me on the front page when I load up the website. If I didn't have that, I honestly would never know you are live. Excited to see whats to come and an awesome video as always!
I don't know which definition of "swagg" I hate more
the worst argument for #2 about the community part is that the person complaining is the community. all you have to do is watch on CZcams and the community doesn't change. You, as the community are deciding to separate, its not the streamer. OBVIOUSLY the creator would love for all of you to go with them. you chose not to go.. that's not their fault in the slightest. there not taking the content away from you or banning you or limiting your ability to engage at all. they've done nothing to prevent you from being apart of the content....
Also if you just click your subscriber tab on CZcams it will automatically show all the live people you are subbed to. live button is random, subscription button is what you use.
I disagree on the last point, the chatting and discoverability is worse but everything else is better. No ads, the ability to pause the stream and pick up where you left off, being able to go back in the stream, rather than having to click off and find the vod, plus twitch vods are 10-15 minutes behind the stream, unlike youtube. The watching experience is leagues better.
I think that most people will change their lifestreaming platform when CZcams will asure them its gonna be at least as 90% as the broadcast experience that Twitch gives. Having streamers that say the new features that CZcams is bringing is nice, however, I think they have to do it their own.
Ever since Ludwig switched to CZcams, I just dove into his videos through recommendations and stayed because Ludwig is awesome! Love the videos and can't get enough of them! From the stories, to carefully constructed content; they just somehow grab my interest.
This has become my favorite channel, really like the videos and simplicity in execution. Just Chatting in tiny chunks.
The ad situation most definitely needs work. I have to say I got a big giggle from the thumbnail that pictured who's Lee and ninja as if they're leaving does anything to the platform.
Oddly my YT frontpage has been putting a few random small streamers for games I play into the mix. It's helped me find some interesting people to occasionally watch.