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i feel so bad for the guard employees, this was so sudden..
Why? Sign better contracts nobody signed it for them
@@Reypstraptor4269 do you have a developed frontal lobe? They could not have known when they signed the deal that the jackass billionaire that was backing the company was gonna suddenly pull out.
@@Reypstraptor4269 I’m saying it’s crazy cause mass layoffs happen regularly but it only matters now cause it’s an esport company? Crazy
@Angel Arias no but you will hear more people care in the online space as this affects the online space directly.
@@Cwg. you realize you’re strengthening my point right?
Insanely ironic for adin to talk all this stuff about corn and how it causes addiction whilst having a multi million contract to stream gambling to children
it be like that sometimes
It's Corn!
oh don't worry, he streamed porn to the literal children too [that he knew were children, they typed their ages to which he verbally acknowledged..] I've been saying the kid's dangerous and now he's a fucking child predator by law.
It’s not like he was making a case to argue otherwise, so what’s your point?
Any specific reason as to why you're not writing "porn"?
I'm so angry on the employee's behalves. They moved there literal days in advance, only to be told they don't have a job? That is so utterly ridiculous, it shouldn't even be legal. Maybe it isn't and they got compensated because I feel like workers have to be protected against that somehow, surely this sort of thing has happened before
Not defending a company, but usually these things are really last minute decisions. Business want to operate as normal but cash infusions or investments fall through and they have to shut down.
@@TheBaldr doesnt make it right that they just rugpulled numerous employees who moved locations just to work for them
Under the WARN act, they likely get paid for 60 days
@@TheBaldrdid you miss the part where the owner is worth $13b?
@@TheBaldr yeah but the day before you lay off everyone? The company knew it was going to happen in advance of that. They just chose to do nothing. This isn't like some small mom and pop who has to close or they'll lose literally everything tomorrow. It was a company that's owned by a guy who could pay all of those people's wages for the rest of their lives and not even notice it missing.
There is no excuse for doing that by someone that rich. None.
Being personable or "nice" in person has nothing to do with someones integrity or quality as a human. Let their actions speak louder than their words
well their in person impression is a much better metric than the persona they put in front of the camera for entertainment purposes, we just have no way of knowing the truth as a simple viewer
@@DDracee sending threats through dms has nothing to do with a public persona
@@DDracee pretty much any manipulative person can pull of a nice first impression. This true both in person and on stream, but it's when ou can see their actions long term that you see who they really are, and these can be observed both online and in person.
@@NotFlappy12 yet he chose the one phrase that no one actually perceives as a real threat in the gaming space, you're quite delusional if you think that was real beef
@@iurigrang never said it was rock solid, just said it's better than the only alternative we have, even my bottom line said we can't know from our position
Bros hair look like a drawing rn
Oh shit you right, looks great
Yes
He should tag his artist smh /j
bro it does lmao
its prolly cuz hes uncircumcised
It is so insane how The Guard employees got so screwed over like that. Totally unfair for all of them.
It’s not insane at all. We have zero workers rights or protections in the US. This can and has happened 100,000 times
@@avacadomangobanana2588 thats so horrible.
It's not insane at all it's real life if you don't make a profit you lose you job that how all real life jobs like construction or sales work
@@austincutright555 If I tell you that I will give you a full time job, get you to quit your current job and relocate, and pull the rug out from under you, am I demonstrating "real life" because you didn't turn a profit for the entire company within 2 days, or am I just a fucking liar with terrible (or worse, willfully negligent because *there are zero worker's rights* to stop me) management skills?
@@austincutright555 crazy how that has absolutely nothing to do with what actually happened....multiple people moved to a new location to work at this job and they all got fired suddenly without any warning. that is insane and it's not right.
Shoutout to Adin, using his power and influence to encourage people to abuse the relaxed TOS on Kick and force it to become exactly like the other streaming platforms. He’s really sticking it to the business owners that try to give creators more freedom
What business owners? They certainly don't give a fuck about creators
tbf the fact adin keeps flaunting about it points towards it being exactly how the owners sold it to him in the first place
Stake are money laundering for cartels. They couldn't give a fuck.
@@DDracee honestly yeah that’d make sense
brother seeing some of the other stuff you commented i think you're just in over your head in this discussion....you seriously argued people have issues with Kick cause "big streamers have beef with Train". hot tip : next time you wanna seriously argue a point don't give away instantly your agenda...or maybe do so people that actually wanna have a discussion can ignore you lol
The kick situation feels like classic blitzscaling: get a userbase, get investors, and only then figure out the profit model. I don't see it lasting longer than a year.
reminder! its bigger than before now lmao
Kinda sucks that the companies know when they're shutting down, and don't do anything for the employees that got hired just yesterday. I understand if stuff just happens, but they waste other ppls time like that if they already know what's about to happen.
Yeah hiring people and then shutting down in a week is mad
That happened to me once. I ended up sleeping in my car. Thankfully a friend in another city let me move in with her and get a job there.
Not defending a company. However a lot of times it comes down to a cash infusion, if they get it, they still operate business as normal, if denied they shut down operations the hour they know they are not. Telltale games had two investors lined up to finance the next project. Both backed out on the same day, which at the time seemed unlikely, the day they closed the studio.
@@TheBaldr if one big client is all that’s keeping your business open your employees should be made aware of that
Ain’t it illegal to do that under contract for the employees livelihood
Kick is doing wonders because at least people like Adin are separated away from everyone on a different platform
@leaked footage thank you for the link to the clip, I’ve been searching for it forever and now I feel dumb that it never existed and just got released now
Until they realize it's not profitable to be an unfiltered brand risk. Streaming copyrighted content in its entirety, streaming p*rn, unmoderated hate speech, etc.
Won't be long before the site dies out and they all rush back to Twitch.
ngl i kinda wanna support kick bc youtube and twitch have been insanely scummy, would be cool if he brings people over with him
Lmao true
@@ThisMightBeAnAccount sure, they've been "scummy" in the sense that big business is rough and they're trying to make some very difficult things work while being profitable. not defending anything they do, especially not twitch, but like, for the most part you can get that the bad is for a reason, right?
compare that to a platform founded by illegal gambling money, it's still a world of difference. It's a sad world where sticking with mega corporations is the morally less bad option, but i suppose thats what happens when online crypto casinos throw their hat into the ring
I can’t believe Mogul Mail called Sykkuno a goody-two-shoes loser
Sykkuno’s best friend, Ludwig, is surely going to have some beef with this
Lmao what world r u living in, I’m pretty sure syk doesn’t care. fans like you make the platform more toxic.
I'm always a bit concerned with creators like Adin having such a large following because they seem to push a majority of toxic content. But I guess that's what people want to watch
they like their lifestyle and aspire to be shitty like them
Adin and kai
@@freecandy5250 What did Kai do? I don't like Kai's content I find him annoying but I haven't seen anything toxic he's done
How can a platform that will let people stream copyrighted material fail? I am sure nothing bad will happen to those streaming movies, anime, live events, and god knows what else.
my first thought as well
They are relying on the laws that protect websites about not taking responsibility for content users post. Basically what they don't say is all copywrite responsibility is pushed onto the users. It is valid if they don't keep vods up, less so if they do but if they go a no moderation route they get protection that way as well.
the gambling company is ran through a different country without the same laws so they can avoid being sued i think but i think the US citizen streamers wont be safe if they continue to dumb stuff like steal viewership from things like the superbowl
They have the option to legally allow everything and do Zero moderation on their website and be 100% in the clear.
@@TheBlissfulVoid but that means they'd have to allow literally "everything" without ever moderating and that on the internet has NEVER worked out. It'll just be a hellhole which'll towards the end just turn into a gambling and webcam saga
Adin is such a sad individual, at least the side he presents to the world. I've said it in so many other videos about him but the dude needs some friends that actually want to be friends with him and don't want anything from him.
Adin himself is just a horrible human being. There legit is no good side to him.
I agree man. The kid just seems lost to me and overall I think he associates himself with a lot of the wrong people. We’ve seen time and time again how impressionable he is and someone like that hanging with the wrong people does not usually end well. He needs genuine friends around him to tell him when he does stupid shit like this. I just look at everything he’s doing and I just don’t get it. But hey whatever happens you know what I hope it works out for him he doesn’t really seem like a bad kid to me, just misguided
@@jeremyroberts8822 He's not a kid and he's not impressionable. Everything revolving around him has been caused by his hands only and he has full control of it all. Around the wrong people? He's literally one of the bad ones.
@@BobaSoda_ not impressionable? He literally gets bullied by his guests and only follows people😂 He doesn’t actually think for himself on almost any topic. He just bitches down to everyone
@@uhhcoolstory5627 Then tell me, who opened the door to these people? Who gave these people a platform to speak? Who benefits the most from all this? All answers point to Adin.
Being bullied by his guests and belittled are just appearances. Harmful? Yes, and he still benefits from all of it. Not only is Adin aware of it but he also feeds it.
Might be important to mention that after the whole p0rn thing aiden asked how old his chatters were and a lot of them were minors which opens up legal questions
I wonder how many were actually minors and how many were saying they were just to troll? Doesn’t really matter lmao there were probably a lot of children in there watching that shit. Not good.
@@arizonaranger2333 I don't think anyone mature enough watches his streams
@@arizonaranger2333 probably 70% are under 18
@@arizonaranger2333 nobody over the age of 16 watches adinross
What legal questions exactly? If minors are presenting themself on aiden’s stream, they’re tuning into a streamer that regularly streams 18+ content, and on twitch originally you had to say you were 18+ to view his stream, so we’re they lying then to watch aiden?
New to the channel Ludwig. Didn't realize you had a commentary channel. Love it
There's no way that 95 to 5 % ratio is gonna stay if Kick survives.
Not to mention the whole no rules thing is cool till kick has to write a check to copyright holders every single time a streamer clicks go live
95/5 is insane but what also is kind of insane is twitch doing 50/50. Just think about Kai for example. He hit 200k subs so far this month, that's $500,000 for Kai and $500,000 for Twitch (using the 50/50 model at least) and all 100% of the money came from people donating. You want to support a creator on the small scale but they only get half of what you donate, you're better donating money in other ways except for subs. Twitch got WAY too greedy imo. 70/30 was more "fair". Not to mention the platforms also take cuts from the advertisers and sponsorships.
Just think about how greedy that is. I'm a normal 9-5 grunt and government only takes ~33% but twitch out there yoinking 50%
they dont care about advertisers they want people to get addicted to gambling because thats how they are getting all their money
@@airsputtyovernment takes money from taxes. The company you work for takes much, much more than the amount of money you are bringing to the company... $500k for streaming is more than fair.
@@ceenote3389 That's not true actually, if they do zero moderation then it's not their responsibility for any of what happens in the site =)
The fact that some Guard employees got laid off right after they moved is just sad
I think that there is a massively untapped well of very lucrative sponsorship and advertisement deals out there from companies and businesses that Twitch and CZcams would consider too unsavory or too much of a brand-risk; sponsors they'd never want touching their platform, and those sponsors wouldn't give two shits what the site they're advertising on allows or doesn't allow. That's probably how Kick will maintain this current trend of having "no ToS", although I'm sure some form of legal trouble will come eventually if movies, shows, and live sports continue to be streamed. I think what truly remains to be seen is the longevity of this, though. A part of me thinks this could truly be sustainable for them for a few years at least, but we'll have to see if they actually offer any meaningful competition in terms of viewership and staying power, will non-exclusive contracts be enough? Will they be able to sustain viewership off of illegal streams like the Super Bowl watch parties? Who knows, time will tell.
Every St Louis person probably had a suspicion that Kroenke would do some shit like this. Gave up on St. Louis, now gave up on E-sports. Truly is terrible what the employees are going through
Mogul mail coming through with the news. Thanks for the bite-size drama, king!
Bite sized drama reports from a bite sized king
@@WolfWarriorLive 😂😂😂
@yes is it a rick roll 😂
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hearing ludwig discuss 'kick' is triggering my inner 12 year old's fight or flight response as i hear it as 'kik' every single time
great video! would love to hear more of your thoughts on kick as a streaming platform, like if you would ever consider moving over there? personally the fact that there is literally no TOS kinda terrifies me lmao
That abrupt cut after demanding me to watch the sponsor was really effective. Made me feel like I was obligated to watch the whole ad for some reason. 😆
Props to Mogul Mail for finally finding a synonym for "Huge" to put in the title!
Kick is trying a tactic where they make such a big splash to cause waves. Kick just wants to take some market share and then they will flip and turn into twitch.
Responding to “keep yourself safe” with a video of them boxing is SO underrated
Reported
I feel like Kick’s endgame is to be the streaming site for the stuff that prints money but twitch can’t do for their wider reputation, i.e. gambling streams and whatever the next step of hot tub streaming is
I feel like they are just Stake promotion project, and nothing more, it doesnt have to be profitable, and I doubt it ever will be.
They just and up like a live onlyfans
I just doubt every word from Adin as a the rule of thumb lmao I'll believe it when I see it (and if it does happen, how long it lasts cause this whole thing sounds fishy)
Haven’t finished the video yet but I just wanted to say thank you for the amazing update on this :3 love you Lud
@Be Straight keep yourself safe
@@angelarias3395 lmao I've never seen someone defend the comment bots..
@@justininvader156 take the first letter of each word
@@jasperwildlifeassociation5828 Why are you explaining the joke to me...
wow that ad was so seamless I almost didn't notice
That surprise sponsor segment... love it! You got me good hahaha
I feel like any future it could have will be lost to lawsuits. Already they're risking copyright shit for the Superbowl streams and now whatever repercussions they could face from Adin streaming porn to minors. Seems unlikely that neither one of those come back to bite them and both are set to be a big bite.
Gotta Love Ludwig's consistent upload schedule.
who's ludwig, this is mogul mail
This is not Lud by the way. This is Mogul Mail.
why do you bring up some random youtuber that has no relevance to this video
@@CastlesCrmbling Literally
I’ve never heard of Ludwig. Mogul Mail is king tho
i loved the honesty at the end of the video lmfaoaoao
I feel like the proper authorities need to investigate Stake. They’re paying creators millions while they fake gamble meanwhile their followers go on and try it and lose everything. Something shady is going on with this company and it needs to be looked into. I’m sure wherever they are located, they’re providing so much to the small country that they wouldn’t dare touch them
adin saying he doesnt get enough money to go full time is crazy
thats his jewish side coming out
@@monsterzero9456 What kind of unprovoked racist bullshit is that?
@@monsterzero9456 ^ nazi ass thing to say
@@sportagus3 wdym? he is jewish
@@beckgh7270 its true doe
If Kick is really doing all those copyright crap, they are in even deeper waters than Twitchs JustChatting React streamers.
Yeah... unless they are offshore and pay everyone in crypto... if a company wants to sue Kick doesn't care, there's no bank or any assets to freeze... obviously it'd be illegal but how would anyone enforce it? As long as Stakes unregulated gambling makes enough they can pay creators. It would probably set a precedent and the government would go after search engines, advertisers and creators?
@@idontcare9041 there are enaugh examples if you look into what happened to share websites in the early 2000, even CZcams was nearly gone during that time.
governments can block sites at a level that even vpn wouldn’t be an easy work around or freeze all income going to creators or simply block the websites acces to banks, that’s what they usually do to block crime and terror financing. While the owners of the sites will be on lists for Extraordinary rendition.
@@idontcare9041 People in the US access the website through some company within the US. There will always be a way to get to them. Even if that means going to the ISPs or some government agency that will prevent connection to the domain. If it was as easy to just create a website and host NFL, NBA, etc on it just being overseas, it would be done multiple times over.
Anyone notice how every mogul mail vid is just Lud doing a class powerpoint presentation he made out of opening a bunch of tabs
I have never heard of Kick before, and I am still yet to hear from it again.
That sykunno slight killed me 🤣 🤣 🤣
"We'll never fire anyone ever" Ludwig no....
Loved that ad read segway
I must say this shit is the best! Continue this Mogul Mail! It is bloody amazing! :D
That sponsor section is sneaky as hell mr mogul mail
My jaw dropped for a second i thought he's joking and it's a fake ad.
Best sponsor transition of all time
Absolutely fantastic ad read
my bro Mogul Mail got that slightly faded painbrush cut ✂✂
I wonder how many days before Kick gets sued out of existence lmao
NFL probably finishing up to the paperwork to go after Kick, Train, and Adin. There is no way they will that slide
That was the best sponsor transition in history.
I made sure to watch the whole sponsor. Will be clicking the link in the description.
normally i cringe at ads. but that segway had me crackin haha
this was a top tier ad read
Dude i feel so bad for the employees
Ludwig seems to really like The Guard's Valorant team, and he really believes in their potential. Hope he picks up the whole of old Guard and makes them Moost
this is closest thing i have to marketing monday
I got bad flashbacks getting a Rocket Money ad cuz Atrioc did one for his marketing Monday’s a few weeks before the AI drama and I remember his pitch involving how he had so many subscriptions he was having trouble keeping track of… in hindsight he prolly should’ve just cancelled a few of them….
Since when is "AI drama" a euphemism for *deepfake porn*?
This is the Mogul Mail channel, might as well call a spade a spade without beating around the bush.
"Winter is coming"
-Mogul Mail
Marketing Monday POGGERS
"Still driving a purple jetta" damn bro I just got up and i've already been attacked.
My days get so much better when moist and Ludwig post
We all expected something like that
that was a nice marketing monday
The transition to the sponsorship was so clever i just had to actually watch it 😂
I like how Lud has to pause for half a second just to say 'they got a good social media guy there' lmao.
I'm going to sleep horribly knowing I skipped the sponsor causing someone's firing.. this is a guilt I'm going to have to live with
ad read was great.
Honestly I do not see Kick succeeding long term. What I do hope for though is that it hangs on long enough, or is enticing enough in the short term for big name streamers, that it forces Twitch and CZcams to make some positive changes on the platforms. Probably some insane amounts of copium, but it would be good.
"Why you getting mad, its a tweet, just turn off the computer" is the perfect response LMAO
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Hey Ian, really enjoy your content!
Kick is basically the LIV golf of the streaming world
Rip Esports, that's wild that Adin thinks that he can do whatever he wants on kik. Whose backing it? Where is that money coming from? It makes no sense, and is wild.
Stake backs it that’s where it came from. They’re trying to get all the scam streamers to one space and fuck more lil kids up
a sponsor segment like that on mogul mail? bruh
Amazing sponsor transition
OHHHH ITS KICK AND NOT KIK that makes more sense, i havent kept up with ANYTHING and was so confused lmaoo
kick seems pretty good since no ads and your favorite creator gets paid more but switching over is basically like cheating on your barber also most people don't really like to switch to new things when there already familiar with something. Me personally though i like to keep videos and live streams in one place so I'll just go on kick from time to time to check what it has become
It’s allows abuse porn and mysogonistic gay hate etc ….
Are we ignoring Ludwig's "We'll never fire anyone ever, as long as you subscribe and watch all of my spon-"
Gotta subscribe to Mogul Mail for people to keep their jobs
honestly id be worried even about the blurred pic on youtube
I always watch the sponsored parts IF the transition is funny
I like how these guys managed to make playing video games somehow cost millions to maintain and manage.
Yup, did the same but 10x more expensive for throwing/kicking a ball into a net.
Bros hair is immaculate.
5:01 „Advertisers want everybody to be buttoned up version of…“
I don’t think that many people realize that that means that advertisers dictate how people have to behave. The guys that change their LGBTQ support depending on the region now tell you how to act.
I don’t see anyone having an issue with that. 🤷🏻♂️
0:49 haha i noticed bc the wiki summary wasnt changed silly guy
Lud, you forgot to mention that Kick is one of the new sponsors of Alfa Romeo F1 Team. Their new car announcement was streamed at their channel on Kick. Also, Stake is the new main sponsor of said team. Weird stuff.
Hass was sponserd by Rich energy one time. Scammed the team, never paid them. Hass is still suing them. So not every f1 team sponsor is legit
Sykkuno really caught a stray lmao
My guy where did you get that hoodie its so good
No joke I got a rocket money ad while he was doing the sponsor
Damn Lud, I can't believe you bought the entire Guard Valorant roster. So happy for you!
lol the guard's logo looks like white castle
Lud at the end: "we will never fire you, unless we do fire you''
Kick is trying to get big enough to get bought out by Twitch or CZcams
I can't believe ludwig did on ad on mogul mail's channel, how can he get away with this?
this man changed his sweater for the ad read
my ludwig ad was interrupted by a youtube ad, double whammy
I love how self aware lud is as a "goody two shoes loser" lol
WOAH WOAH WOAH I WANNA SEE YOU ON A GSUPPS WAIFU CUP RIGHT NOW!
Ludwig, this is your best ad yet. Like, I know you've done some in the past, just something about this one was funny, informative. I could take another 10 mins of that ad, tbh
0:23
“Well Ludwig” ??? Who’s that?!?!?
Those employees should be thankful they are returning 0.01 billion to a multi billionaire. Can't have him hurting during these bad times.