The Biggest Scam in Twitch History
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wow ludwig got scammed so hard he had to sell all of his furniture
Why are there so many bots, and why did it have the poppy playtime pfp
imagine being so stupid that you make a bot with the username of the type of spam you're doing, and then making another bot with the same comment template but a different name and still using the same link
bot creators are incredibly dumb
ngl this cracked me up
i let out a little chuckle, i must admit
scamwig turned scammedwig
Steal $300,000? What a Mogul Move
The ol yoink and twist
@Bully peter sus link
My man got it twisted.
Whale…
300,000, and 6 Mia malkova fleshlights. don't forget them.
“He took those fleshlights like it was his birthright” is a sentence I never thought I’d hear 😂😂😂
i cant tell if his trolling or serious lmao
That together with lud’s facial expression had me dying
@@johnadams9193 these things are expensive hahah
Who was that streamer lol
@@johnadams9193 easy bet he was legitimately pissed
As mentioned on hasan’s stream, even taking into account potentially paying back all of the money and doing all the work required to figure out every last person he scammed, this could very well and very easily escalate into legal trouble. The UK has strict gambling laws, and this isn’t just the UK, this is international wire fraud and grand larceny.
i dont think he'll get anything worse than a slap on the wrist and losing his friends. They all sent him the money willingly and he didnt hack into accounts or anything to actually steal from them. idk what the UKs gambling laws are so i cant speak on that. But this kind of thing happens all the time and nothing ever happens to the scammers.
@@criticalevent neevr claimed any of that, literally said that more severe punishment is probably coming because its literally fraud
@@thesacredheart14 "willingly" under false pretenses. thats called fraud. And considering it hurt so many people and for so much, it is likely he will face actual consequences
@@MsPoopyinthepotty it actually isnt. in the eyes of the law, they sent that money from their account to someone elses on their own. It was not stolen from them. there are lots of documentaries about this on a bunch of different streaming sites. I could ask someone to send me a grand to pay off some debt and instead use it to buy a console or computer or something and not get in trouble. Does that make me a piece of shit? yeah. A criminal in the eyes of the law? no.
@@thesacredheart14 tell me you dont understand law without saying it
Whats worse is that he said he'd do a 1 year subathon to pay it back. Asking his viewers to pay back his debt, the same viewers he scammed from. Unbelievable
Doesn’t seem to realize if viewers have a say his career is over. He only had like 600 viewers/subs now anyways.
@@zg3342 should be zero. Giving this guy money is enabling his addiction. Make him go out and work labor for it. Needs to be humble.
@@zg3342 sheep were literally donating while he streamed his admission
@@helloman3676 he has worked a normal job unlike most streamers
@@Serkong he did but he got fied for messing about
My family has been involved with heavy gambling addiction. My uncle growing up had a severe gambling addiction. He'd steal money growing up, put it in the slots. Whenever he'd ask for money for something. And example being toothpaste (just a simple example). You'd be pretty much forced to go with him to the store to make sure he actually buys what he's asked for.
The explanation of the gambling addiction, that mentality of "I'll borrow money, win more and pay them back" is spot on and I really appreciate bringing awareness to this.
And also for anyone who cares. In the last 3-4 years, my uncle has gotten better. He actually has money in his bank account (which is a big deal). And is able to provide for his family
Good for him! Hopefully this streamer can make it out of this in decent shape as well as he did
Really great that he is getting better. Unfortunately from what I've heard from many therapists, is that gambling addiction is one of the hardest to solve. My dad is one. Borrowed money behind my mom her back all the time, that she was paying back for him when she got confronted by the people he borrowed from. This was in the time when money was a real scarcity for us. You could say under the poverty line. Beside money issues the usual addict behaviors were there like aggression and manipulation. He never once apologized. Her best choice was to divorce him when I was 12 years old. He still hung it over her head for "leaving him while he was in need" and wasn't ashamed to ask for money after. She never gave in anymore. A once submissive mother is now one of the strongest people I know and financially healthy. My dad had a very rough childhood, but I learned later on (now 29) that its not our job to fix him. Just to anyone reading this. Its not your job to fix people, its their own, and it is not your fault ever.
sounds tough yall, just one win away from that big jackpot, quite a shame
Completely off-topic but what is your profile picture of? I recognise it but can't put my finger on why
@@mrmivpushkin thank you for sharing your story. Some people, no matter how much you try, you can't help if they don't want it.
Love that ludwig not only makes a really good video explaining what happened but also thinks about raising awarness about gambling addiction at the start of the video. Really thoughtful
Bruh it's what he did to Hachubby is what gets me. Like she's still in debt, working for her fam and just got surgery. Her breakdown had me in tears.
A lot of people are just waving this off as "Twitch Drama" - this is wayy more serious than internet drama, the amount of damage he's done to people he's borrowed from is incredibly real and destructive.
Hope he gets the rehabilitation and help he needs because there really is no way to raw dog his way out of this fucked up situation.
he needs to be sued or put in jail, he took money from a lady going through chemo, at this point fuck rehabilitation he needs to face some sort of justice
This is a crime
@@normalcitizen some sort of accountability
@@normalcitizen That's the point where I lost sympathy for him
Well...you shouldn't give people money if you can't afford it or live without it, even if they say they will pay you back
The fact that no one outed him in 2 years shows what often happens with scams. People feel embarrassed that they were scammed, so they don't want others to know, and they also hope that maybe they'll eventually get the money back
CZcams bots are averywhere i go CZcams sucks(i am not a bot trust)
@whaaa t You've replied with the exact same link as that bot to another comment. Don't know what you're trying to pull but you're not doing it right.
@@larswijn probably also a bot
@@larswijn youtube is significantly less likely to detect an account as a bot if it gets replies so I’m guessing the bots now also reply to others to reduce their chances of being found. Doesn’t help that people will at the bot to call it cringe or something stupid which only makes youtube think they aren’t a bot.
You’ve just unknowingly become part of the problem
@@larswijn maybe he clicked the link and it made his account post the same link everywhere. Idk if that’s possible tho
In all of this I've learned that the content creator community is pretty giving to one another. See a guy in need help him out, thats pretty noble. Sad it turned out worse than it needed to be.
I know it's a serious situation, but I died when I heard Slicker stole 6 fleshlights to keep funding the addiction. That's when you know you're down bad. Hope he gets help for this, and I'm probably going to hell for laughing
All I've learned is that if I ever become a scammer, Ludwig is an easy target.
But he's kinda cheap he only gave under 1k... If anything i learned that trainwreck is the man to go to, he will give you 100k and the only trade off is that you and him will be done after 😆
But you have to become friends with him first, or friendly.
@@playtoearnmeta still hes not expecting it back so free money :D
@@playtoearnmeta kinda ironic since train accepted a shit ton of money to get his views addicted to gambling
@@SJTJ if im already a successful streamer who is earning absolute bank, then yeah I would turn down millions if it meant not getting kids addicting to gambling and ruining their lives. It aint like train was broke, man was making more money than engineers and doctors. After a certain point money becomes less impactful and train definitely made this decision when money meant nothing
I hope he gets the help he needs, he is entirely in wrong but gambling addiction is truly a horrible thing.
He sounds like me when I scam my parents for 30$ because I'm Asian
Gambling addiction is scary, that's why I avoid putting a bet in the first place.
He needs to go to jail first
Is there any proof that he spent this money on gambling?
@@drinkswatere he was just on stream with miz and even then he kept making jokes and basically didn't give a shit and trying to avoid accountability. He's vile.
Really pleased with this channel. I’m a new(ish) Ludwig fan, so I’ve only just found Mogul Mail, but wow after watching a few videos, I really appreciate having Ludwig on the platform. I can really sense how he’s trying (and succeeding) to make fun, engaging, digestible videos examining whatever is happening in the streaming sphere and the internet at large. hard to find people who can strike that balance of critical thinking and funny haha moments. It’s not often that I can sincerely say this but I do genuinely feel like you’re making the world better with this channel. If I found my little sister watching your content, I would be very happy. Thanks for what you do, Mr. Ahgren
we stan
Been absolute down in the deep dark depths recently.I’m incredibly glad you point out suicidal thoughts and tendencies. Love you brother, keep up all the great work. I always look forward to your streams.
i’m really sorry that this keeps happening to you lud, can i hold $2k
I always see you in random comment sections. Anyway, i really like your bridge video from 4 years ago
Ludwig really throwing away that subathon money
Dude, don't feel bad, it's not your fault he scammed people. I hope that when he inevitably feels backed into a corner he chooses to get help and not the other option.
@whaaa t cringe hasan
exactly, if it wasn't Luwig's server it would have been somebody else. Not something you can expect or prepare for whatsoever
He's lucky he's got people willing to help him clean up the mess and eventually make a fresh start. Not a lot of people ever has them. Good luck to him I guess
I don't understand how so many people can agree that gambling is bad, yet it is still so prolific.
I really appreciate Lud sharing the stats and resources at the beginning. I took a class in undergrad called "The Neurobiology of Addiction," and it was one of the most informative and eye-opening experiences in my entire 4 years there. If anyone here happens to be struggling with any sort of addiction, I am so sorry for what you're going though and I understand how hard it must be. Just know that there are people who care about you, and we all hope you can get the help you need.
This includes Sliker, who deserves a chance at recovery but who obviously must also face the consequences of his actions. In addition, the thing about the sex toys makes me think he probably just doesn't have any morals or shame anymore; however, I still hope one day he can get better, make amends, and try to repay those he scammed. Although it seems Xqc and Train might do it before him, which I think is admirable of them.
First reasonable take here, probably cause it's literally the only educated one.. people are so horny for retribution though, really don't understand why we don't focus on fixing the bigger issue, but on punishing a victim halfway down the pyramid of victims
Thank you
@@Rayver112 Oh yeah! I forgot to mention in my original comment, but I completely agree with addressing the root of the problem. Like Lud said, Twitch really needs to ban sponsored gambling, and I might even go so far as to say gambling as a whole. Knowing what I do about neuropsychology, it's worrying that kids are being exposed to it at such a young, developing, and impressionable age. Although maybe it's a little too late, as so many games nowadays involve some sort of lootbox mechanic. In the meantime, I wish more parents were proactive in kindly talking to their children about the Internet and video games vs reality. But I'll get off my soapbox now, haha!
@@zoutewand ❤️
if that was the most informative in the 4 years you went, then that shows how shit and how much of a scam that is as well for going to anything similar.
Ludwig went from constantly scamming to constantly getting scammed
Circle of life
Karma
CZcams bots are averywhere i go CZcams sucks(i am not a bot trust)
Ludwig scammed?
@Bully peter Ngl thats some bs marketing
BUUT Wall nut tart is dope, I kinda wanna make it now.
Fuck you tho but damn I want some tart.
thanks for this vid , i was hold up with the GTA 6 leak and didnt look at this drama
Ludwig and getting scammed, name a more iconic duo
Heard this from Penguinz0 and Asmongold TV, and I think that this is a wake-up call that we should stop giving away our money to strangers on the internet. And yes, streamers do count as strangers as well because we don't really know them. This must suck for one of his fans that did donate, and I feel awful for them that was trying to do something good but ended up getting scammed and betrayed.
Don't blame the players, blame the game. Slicker got sick from the deadly combination of publicity and gambling. Everyone has to learn their lesson once. There will always be scam virgins who get suckered. For some of us lucky few, we were scammed pixels in runescape. But in the vast midst of the the hundreds of thousands of people who watch gamba streams every week, there are always new suckers.
@@dogcatmousecow533 that’s going too far. These people produce high quality, edited entertainment for us. They should be compensated for their time. Ads aren’t an issue. If it bothers you, get an ad blocker. If someone wants to donate, they can, I don’t see any problem with it. It gets iffy when it gets to these blatant “scam” situations, but stretching the idea of a “scam” to simply having ads on a CZcams video or being allowed to donate is way too much, IMO.
There is a difference between donating to a streamer by gifting subs or whatever because you enjoy their content, want to support it and expect nothing back and lending money to someone because they lie to you about being in dire straits and they never intend to pay you back.
This just in, giving absurd amounts of money to someone you don't know is a bad idea. *Who knew!*
Since when do we need a wake up call not to give money to strangers on the internet??? isn't that internet 101? am I the only one thinking this?
That's me at 3:29. I guess I paid 1k$ to be in a Ludwig video, worth LULW
Worth lmao.
when mogul mail becomes bigger than ludwig channel
Saying you’re suicidal is a great pity move. Well played.
As a former/recovering gambling addict I really appreciate the words and shoutouts at the start. It's a really slippery slope to the worst state of mind possible. But there is always hope.
Hey mate, glad you're recovering. For how long?
Personally, I'm afraid that I might get addicted, and knowing myself and my susceptiblity to getting hooked, that's why I avoid betting in the first place.
@@rahmatramadhan9874 A few years, at the worst point every euro I got went into slots. I really recommend getting professional help if anyone feels a problem at all. And listen to friends/family/etc if they bring up any concerns.
@@karv7224 nah bro, gambling addiction is a big deal even if you're not addicted to a substance, know a few people who got fucked over because of their addiction and/or their relatives' addiction
@@karv7224 gambling addiction is addiction. please don't trivialize it.
Stay strong man!
i think the 50/50 split that xQc proposed is such a huge blessing to those who were scammed. I hope, whether it’s him or through some other matters, everyone gets their money back
kinda weird that he's offering someone elses money. Like why not just do all of it? idk
Especially for the non-streamer people he scammed
@@spoonchad5686 maybe bc he doesn’t want to spend $300k+?? lol
@@spoonchad5686 him even offering half isn’t his job he’s just being nice
@@Ne0nGG yeah but it's just weird to put pressure on someone to go halfs with you on someone elses mistake. like if you want to do it just do it cos he said it live it could pressure someone else to.
Online gambling is honestly really dangerous and this is mostly just sad… but having you give the story is amazing lmfao
I am so proud of ludwig
he went from scamming others for thousands to getting scammed for thousands
Lol
Twitch needs to ban gambling streams. It's totally toxic and getting kids hooked on ruining their lives. It says something about Twitch that even its top streamers (i.e. xQc) make headlines for the amount of money they lose or for admitting they have a gambling addiction
Yeah. Plus it's sleeper content
well fair point but being honest here i dont theyre gonna ban it unless sh*t really goes down hill many people on twitch has been doing this for years and yet twitch has no comment , and the twitch policy is already down bad but i hope they ban gambling even though they probably never will.
@@marcosda4th92 Yeah, it's boring af
I guess it would be hard to find a definition for gambling games because games like Genshin Impact has gambling elements too. There are cases where people are addicted to gacha so if they want to ban gambling, they need to sort out what kind of games are considered as gambling. I guess Twitch doesn't want to be involved because they need more manpower for this.
@@chickenmcnuggets9238 🤓
The thing I really like about ludwig and his content is how empathic he is towards others and how tactful he handles things.
Check mark, is that you, also, penguinz0 is better
Shanny is based, I knew it
I like how he rides Hasan's nuts. It's very endearing
I was always a huge fan of sliker since the beginning i loved his streams and especially when he was doing irl with his mom from what i have seen he have kind heart but he have been blinded by his addiction i hope the best for him and his family i hope he finds help to cure his illness and im sorry for all people he scammed
Even though you’re great at getting scammed, we love you Lud.
Scamming ludwig could be a fulltime job
11:40 That “why?!” at the end to Rich killed me.
I feel ya Lud, got scammed myself by lending money to a friend which is at this time is £500 currently with no repayment in sight - just the same holding message that gets sent around. Just to learn he's been doing it to everyone as he has a gambling addiction.
It sucks personally but seeing a friend ruining themselves and causes issues for their friends and family.
bro got robbed so hard his room is now empty
he really crossed the line with stealing the fleshlights
Fr
It was a joke
@@surle9148 and so is my comment
I splat out my food 😂
Not to brush over this crazy situation but I just wanted to comment on how your coverage of stories like this is so extensive and well thought out and entertaining. I think I speak for all the viewers when I say that you taking the time to collect all of this information and present it all in a clean and concise way is appreciated
This is honestly how all news should be presented instead of the biased misinformation shit on the major news outlets.
@@yrudonking Mogul News Network
That's the magic of this channel. All of the delivery that comes on here is always 100% concise and formatted well. And the fact that you said “not to brush over this crazy situation” at the beginning of your comment makes me respect you 10x more.
It feels a lot like how Phillip DeFranco delivers information in his videos, but focused on just one subject. Gets the facts out there in a clear and concise way, then typically gives us a bit about how he feels about it.
The way he has evidence and articles is so neat too
classic case of one person misusing something and ruining it for everyone else
"... then I found out you can gamble with money"
crazy revelation
I feel bad for his mental health, but that does not make him innocent of his actions! I hope he gets the help he needs and pays back everyone he owes
CZcams bots are averywhere i go CZcams sucks(i am not a bot trust)
This can be dangerous, he said he would smash his head into the wall when frustrated. I hope he doesn't do anything stupid
You shouldn't feel bad for this guy at all. As bad as his gambling addiction was, he scammed literal children and people that legitimately needed the money themselves. He also supposedly told someone he borrowed money from at twitch con that he wasn't getting his money back straight to his face and then walked away.
At this point, Twitch is so messed up that it’s heartbreaking. It’s honestly really terrible and I can’t believe there are so many scammers out there.
F
Bro you didnt even watch the video yet how do you know anything about it
@@chadkangaroo8546 There are other CZcamsrs who are talking about this.
@@professionalamateur417 touché
CZcams bots are averywhere i go CZcams sucks(i am not a bot trust)
Damn I had almost the exact same story with a friend of mine like 4 years ago and it ruined his future. Cant believe Twitch is still allowing gambling on their platform
Ludwig and XQC are seriously being heroes at the moment, we cant understate that
man what an unfortunate situation. i hope he gets all the help he needs and starts to rebuild his life
I appreciate the bit at the beginning there w the resources for those struggling. You’re a good guy, lud.
When you just finished digesting one piece of drama, another one popped up.
More so, that one piece of drama triggered the events for another.
The tea has been spilled, and now we're soaking in it.
super stoked to see a mogul mail was uploaded today!
If Twitch doesn't take action on the Gambling streams / meta after this amount of bad PR for the platform and their creators, nothing will. Hopefully something positive comes out of this.
CZcams bots are averywhere i go CZcams sucks(i am not a bot trust)
Yeah. Gambling needs to be banned on twitch. Anyone who does it also needs to be banned.
@@doug4431 i mean m8 that wont stop twitch you've already seen how down bad twitch is recently even then that wont stop people from gambling
Stay away from gambling, get some religion
Good luck with banning gambling, though, when you have things such as Pokémon card pack openings, FIFA, and gacha games as big as Genshin Impact.
The fascinating thing is that he was pushed to do this out of desperation and having thrown himself in a never-ending downwards spiral. But someone could’ve done this for nefarious reasons and easily build an insane fortune. No wonder professional scammers are a thing.
Desperation is the start. After a certain point, it's both willful and malicious. Whether or not he blew the money on gambling after borrowing, the scam was something he was doing maliciously after the first handful of people.
The guy got bailed out by train, he had more than enough to pay out a large majority of people quit, and then pay out the rest with time ans his income.
He didn't do it. It was malicious
@@ThaGr1m yeah, well I think that is why it's considered a debilitating addiction. If the addicts could just wake up one morning, slap themselves and stop, then literally nobody in the world would ever be addicted to anything.
@@jornavyr2459 I donunderstand yhe nuance, but the thing is he went from gambling little amounts of other peoples money to purposefully ignoring others and spending a shitton he could've used to straighten out, even just a little bit.
That takes more than addiction that takes a mindset where others are worth less than your potential gain.
Like even a meth addict can stop for a week when he gets a surge in help.
@@ThaGr1m the thing is 'surge in help' for gambling addiction isn't giving them more money. Gambling addiction just gets worse the more money you have, and especially when you're already in immense debt like they seem to have been at that point, because the thought of losing it all doesn't even cross their mind, the thought that instead pops up is "I've been losing so much for so long, that means since my odds are x then I'm basically guaranteed to win this time!" That's why it's called the gambler's fallacy. Not gonna say it aint fucked up to be stealing so much money from people, and everyone is completely entitled to block/remove them from their life, but knowing a fair amount about gambling addiction as a whole; even if I don't know much about this situation in particular, I feel it's unlikely to have been malicious.
I hope he gets the help he needs and the people who need the money back the most get it.
I had a friend once that scammed me, not out of a lot of money, only $200.
But that one experience drove me to not trust people when it comes to money and to not be nice or “forget out about it, sure, no problem” with those subjects. People use you in weird ways, and you’ll see it because those people usually turn out to have nothing if you take a deeper look into their life. It was years ago but I’m glad it happened so I could learn a lesson.
All the people he scammed need to try to get together and put a lawsuit out. The dude will never understand otherwise
Huge respect for you and xqc working together to try and pay everyone back who got scammed
Add cofezilla too
ofc those ppl should get money back but also i m not fan of no consequences for what he did if XQC pays it whit no condition ( like 100% needs to go to rehab)then it is like saying there is no problem whit stealing form viewers
Jesus Christ died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who has faith in him. True faith in Jesus will have you bear good fruit and *drastically* change for the better! Those led by the Holy Spirit do not abide in wickedness. 👍🏾
God is three in one; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Bless him!
As I am led by the Holy Spirit, nothing I state is a lie, but the truth of God. Anyone who tells you differently is misinformed or a liar. They do not know God, nor led by him.
Anyone who *claims* to be a Christian and is against what I am doing, and where I am doing it; the Holy Spirit does not dwell within them, they lack understanding. They know not God, read his word, and their religion is in vain. Do not hear them, they will mislead you, the lost cannot guide the lost.
When you trust in God and cast your cares (worries, anxiety, depression, suicidal thoughts) upon him, they will be NO MORE!
Know that there is power in the name Jesus Christ! His name casts out demons and heals!
The world is wicked, evil, and of the devil.
I too, was a wicked sinner of the world before I opened my heart to God. I am living proof of God's work and fruitfulness! He is an active God who hears the prayers of his! God's children are set apart (holy) and righteous. The devil is a liar that comes to steal, to kill, and to destroy; that includes your relationship with God!
@@fumaczi It's a wicked world we live in. Doing such things get praise and others try to copy what they did because they saw it was done with no repercussions.
I can empathize with this guy because I was a drug addict and I did a lot of shitty things. When you’re an addict you’re just a different shittier person. I truly hope he gets some help. Living as an addict is no life at all.
I’ve been a drug addict too. Stealing or taking loans and not paying them back are choice. Drugs, gambling, whatever vice he has didn’t make him do that, 2 years isn’t desperation it’s purposefully being a terrible person.
@@zg3342 Having experienced addiction doesn't automatically make you knowledgeable about addiction psychology. You're spreading stigma & judgmental assumptions, not reasonable solid guesses/facts. You're drawing a line between different behaviors that's just based on your own beliefs for yourself. You're in charge of judging the motivations of your OWN decisions, but you're not an authority on what motivates others. Be grateful that you've never felt desperately compelled to do things that are over your line. Many people think it's just bad character until they learn the hard way that illness is illness. Not all addiction is the same.
@@zg3342 Agreed bro. Been there as well and never ever did I put my hands on other people's stuff. Scammers and thieves are bastards. They don't give a fucking shit about the people they are stealing from, they just take and don't look back. Absolute degeneracy. And now this guy gets exposed and I'm supposed to feel sorry for HIM? Naaaaah, miss me with that shit bro. He's a POS
@@zg3342 you legit don't know what you're talking about. There's levels to addiction, what sliker has is a crumbling addiction, the type that rewires your brain to such an extent that you're willing to do anything to get the next "high". You have your own life, not trying devalue that, but addiction is a big umbrella and you haven't even touched the surface of it. That level of addiction is something people end up dead over.
@@qGods I do as I’ve been an addict, and addicted to shit with actually physical withdrawals. Addiction didn’t make him rob people for 2 years it was a conscious choice
Well that last clip took a strange turn
When he started talking about it going beyond money, I couldn't help myself from cracking up. HE USED ALL 6 OF THEM
Literally just finished Charlies vid. Heard you were one of the people he scammed. Sad to see someone like sliker go down that path.
Just finished the vid. After i heard what Rich said, i just cant see slicker the same way. But no joke i sure hope sliker gets the help he needs, the last thing i would want to hear is that he did something stupid and harmed himself.
CZcams bots are averywhere i go CZcams sucks(i am not a bot trust)
LOL I was not expecting a joke
@Bully peter bro that sucks
Ludwig you're a good guy. You don't deserve to be scammed. But for real, keep on keeping streaming wholesome.
Gambling, Drugs, Gacha addiction and also MLM often destroy your life.
And not just that, it will also ruin your family and friendship.
You will drag them with your own problem without you realized.
There's 2 guys in my extended family who have a gambling addiction and 1 guy with MLM problem.
I told others to stop "help" them by lending them money, but they didn't listen to me.
2 years later they finally regret it.
Crazy people feel ok with this. It costs me 6k to heat my home through the winter. And I'm beyond stressed about it ( we heat with gas) but I physically am incapable of asking anybody for any kind of help. I just try to figure it out.
yo, Ludwig. i'm someone who works in health equity & advocacy, writing about things including different mental health conditions, and i'm here to thank you for the empathy you give to things like gambling addiction. statistics like the ones you started with -- suicide rates -- are HUGELY important to humanize and emphasize just how serious addiction really is. far too many people still view addiction as a character flaw instead of a symptom of a mental health condition in the brain. treating it the way you do is SO important for encouraging others to show the same empathy instead of writing people off as greedy, and pushing people away from seeking help toward darker "solutions."
i know you've got some personal experience motivating you, but you bring the same empathy to just about every other analogous situation you talk about, so it's not like this is an outlier. you are, by all accounts, a conventionally attractive cis white guy with a large platform who is not only aware of the power of setting an example, but actively sets that example, again and again, instead of "leaving politics to politicians" and staying on the sidelines. people without a platform and marginalized people, in this case people with mental health conditions, can shout into the void forever. but your voice is more likely to be heard. when you use it to amplify our message -- that's the kind of allyship we need. (this isn't an ego trip, this is a from-the-bottom-of-my-heart thanks. we're, *literally,* fighting for our lives out here. this means a lot.)
i'm dead serious when i say this: it's people like you modeling empathy that pave the way for positive change. even when it gets especially tough, please keep it up.
Well said..lud bud for life.
I know that there's a big consensus that addiction is a disease, but I just don't agree with that. Not literally a disease in it's traditional meaning. More so as a way of thinking that's been heavily reinforced that it becomes a normality.
I do, however, feel that once you're an addict, you will always be an addict. Constantly fighting triggers.
Idk where I'm going with this but shit's crazy and we all need to look out for each other and really try for empathy.
@@mikehitchcock5753 The question I have for you is, how much physical change in the brain should we be willing to write off as just "a way of thinking" vs "a disease"? What you're describing is correct, but that *is* a disease. Say for example - I think we'd agree that depression isn't just a way of thinking. Obviously people have free will, but wanting to be "just not depressed anymore" unfortunately doesn't make people "just not depressed anymore." Similarly, idk how much you know about OCD as a proper disease (not just the cultural idea of "haha i'm so picky"), but those kinds of compulsions go beyond a way of thinking and become a disease of the brain. You could certainly look at someone with an eating disorder and say, "it's just a way of thinking," but it is also, undoubtedly, a disease.
The *really* important thing, though, is this: *why would you try not to call it a disease?*
Like... why disagree with that? (Nevermind the science behind why it's a disease, which I would highly recommend. The reading can be a little dense, but it's always good to know the facts where mental health conditions are concerned.)
*Refusing to call addiction a disease reinforces the idea that it's a character flaw.* And the stigma associated with that - "you got yourself into this situation so you don't deserve help getting out, you let yourself become this, if you just cared enough you'd get better," none of which is true - is what keeps people from getting the care they need. Because society treats them like that, they're too ashamed to admit the problem to themselves, much less anyone else, so they don't get help. By the time the problem becomes impossible to ignore? Well, your chances of being suicidal - Ludwig went over that already.
Calling it a disease is an important part of allowing people to feel like they can get help for it. And since harm reduction should always be our priority, we should probably call it a disease.
Despite being scammed yourself, I can see the empathy here, and thats something that not many can do.
You can feel bad for someone’s mental health while also condemning their actions
Gambling addiction is such a terrible disease, growing up my mom would constantly be throwing any of the income my father and her had. I remember when I would come home from school, my electronics would be in the pawn shop because she needed money to gamble. My mother didn't care that my possessions were gone, all she cared about was trying to find a way to gamble. I'm the youngest of the 3 so I really got the shitty end of the stick, my siblings were already older and had a great childhood. After my mom was getting really bad, my father decided to end things with my mother and left her to go to a different state. Losing connections with friends in elementary was the hardest thing for me; depressing knowing how entirely different my middle school experience could have been. It's tough accepting the fact that the reason your parents aren't together is because of gambling. It really destroys relationships, family, and a sense of yourself.
If you think you're addicted, please get some help
perfect timing i was just wondering when lud would put out a vid about this
Lud, I'm so impressed you started on the seriousness of gambling addicition and helplines and things. I've seen other people talk about this exact situation, or others talk about other gambling addicition situations, but they don't really start the video to put their viewers in a better mindset when approaching the source material. Usually they barrage on the person and go "but it's a serious problem so be nice" and the viewers, who haven't been put into a good mindset when thinking of the person talked about, aren't nice. Props to you!
EDIT: I hope you don't feel too guilty about it being your server, Lud. You invited him and trusted him to respect others and your chats. You held him to a level of expectation most people added to a server would respect without a second thought. He took advantage of that, and that's not your fault
The fleshlights part had me SCREAMING
Bro maybe I could make a living creating aliases and scamming Ludwig over and over again
never been a huge X fan, but honestly brought me to tears him offering the money up to pay people back. A lot of the streamers could probably afford the hit, but that surely means a LOT to the viewers that got hit by it. A ton of respect for X on this.
Brought you to tears? The man makes tens of millions sitting on his ass behaving like an autist. This is the least he could do to repay his luck. And also it’s a PR move so he looks good.
@@hyvsan9425 are you talking about xqc or slick?
@@hyvsan9425 enablers who wants to see a person's downfall. Like that one time how viewers constantly gave money to this russian streamer to leave his gf outside in the freezing cold temperature in very little clothing, and she died from it.
@@SSTVdd man you're probably really fun around other people.
@@jacobwithey6398 well i have an advanced degree make well into six figs and have many more real life friends than these internet degenerates so id say yea :)
98.7% of gamblers quit right before they win big
They shouldn’t quit while they’re behind!
My family has had some issues with a gambling addict.
I don't particularly like xqc, but him offering to pay half reminds me of my late dad. Big ups to him.
Thanks for covering this Ludwig.
Lud, at this point you should just find out if there’s a Guinness world record for being scammed the most times and go for it! 😂
i dont think intentionally getting scammed is getting scammed lol
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@@frobosama4857 scam is scam
lud is scamming his viewers all the time now karma is kicking in
Lmao
every person i’ve seen cover this doesn’t talk about suicide and gambling issues and i’m glad that you lead with that to show that yes what he did is wrong and not justified but there still is a problem the person has that doesn’t justify a life lost
Critikal did
you know its gonna be a good mogul mail when lud shares his screen and he has 23 tabs open.
this would make a great podcast
Gotta admit I've never had a high opinion of xQc but offering to go 50/50 with train if he's up for it to pay back everyone that slicker has scammed is a pretty baller move.
They both have more money than they know what to do with and it's a pretty huge PR promotion as well.
It’s because they’re the two biggest gambling streamers on twitch and have both done sponsored gambling streams. It’s a nice thing to do sure, but don’t think for a second they’re doing it out of the kindness of their own heart. They want to avoid any possible blow back and minimise the inevitable backlash on sponsored gambling
It's probably Stake that is putting up the money for that.
@@SpicySiopao damn I didn’t think about that. Very possible.
@@SpicySiopao Not a bad shout, it certainly would look great for Stake if they did plan that but I highly highly doubt it !
@@SpicySiopao "And today we are paying back these people that got scammed by a gambling addict.
SPONSORED BY STAKE"
My friend's uncle was gambling addict and lost everything but he somehow changed and now has a really good job and lives a above average life
Honestly, this was one of the harder Mogul Mails to watch because I actually feel sympathy for the guy
all i can think about while watchin this is ludwigs minecraft casino
The flesh-light story is CRAZY!
It’s just an awful situation. I hope he gets help of course but I can’t stop thinking of his fans who were in dire medical situations like cancer that donated to him, thinking he desperately needed that money: It’s awful
He probably feels bad about that if he is a decent human being I'd imagine addiction clouds your judgement
This scam was insane
Bro's getting scammed left and right 😭
Such a sad story really for everyone involved :(
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I really hope that not those who got scammed are paid back, bless you and xQc's souls for deciding to do that, but I also really hope that Slicker gets the help he needs for his gambling addiction.
Addiction is a very unhealthy thing and gambling falls on the lower rating of one out of many compared to things like drugs, alcohol and such. I can understand his point of view but it's gotten out of control and he needs therapy for this thing desperately.
It's train and XQC
@@Zwettekop ah okay, X said him and Lud were doing it on Twitter but thanks for the Clarification
@@M4SKED2001 I mean if he had over $300,000 Borrowed money from Steamers/CZcamsrs/Family/Friends/Viewers/Etc. you gotta think to yourself.
Yeah this is wrong.
@@Zwettekop no, its xqc and lud, check lud and xqcs twitters
@@tanaelol I got misled by 10:25 I guess. There X says Train and X not Lud and X. Idk.
Oh man The Yard Episode this Week is about to be real good.
I like how everyone’s like “he stole thousands of dollars for me” and then there’s rich coming in with the “he stole all the flashlights”
From the outside it definitely sounds like a bit, but I think Rich is being serious. From what I've seen of him, I don't think he could say that as a joke without laughing.
I hope more streamers come out calling for twitch to ban sponsored gambling from their platform, it would go a long way towards making these platforms better for not only their creators but also their communities.
Idk why but rich getting so livid over slikee using all the mia flashlights is hilarious
damn the noise gate be actin up
Thank you for the resources and message at the beginning, so many struggle with gambling problems and it’s not talked about as much as it should be. It can be worse than drug addictions aside from the health issues.
Haven't watched this yet but I feel bad for all the people who keep twitching after these scams😢😢😖😖
@Chad 🤯🤯 WOAH NO FREAKING WAY
Who keeps twitching
People
@Chad that's cool and all but what color is your Bugatti.
This is an joke
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So sad to see this from someone who always seemed like a genuinely kind person. Being pushed to such lengths by addiction is something I can understand. I really hope he can get the help he needs, and even more I hope that no one who was scammed lost more money than they could afford. Feel for everyone wronged in the situation.
Kind people don't do shit like this whatever they are going through
@@craigbaker593 if you really think this, it's just so clear that you've never known anyone struggling with an addiction or struggled through one yourself. Real addiction can push the kindest of people to lengths they could never have imagined. Aside from that, I don't know if sliker was always an act. I just said he seemed kind.
@@criticalevent I feel like you didn't read what I said. I don't think I made any statements about how he actually is.
@@criticalevent Yes. What did I say that you think contradicts that?
@@criticalevent Yes. Some of us do. Some of us don't. Doesn't necessarily mean that you are kind or unkind. And again, I'm not saying anything about sliker specifically.
I am by no means someone "Rich" of any kind nor do i make a healthy living, but streamers and entertainment are what always gives me joy and motivation. There was some point last month where he said something that was along the lines of being borderline depressed and is struggling, so ended up giving him $100 because i wanted to get a reaction where his eyes would light up and be popping off to let him know that his viewers (us) were here for him, but this is just overall upsetting to hear. A part of me is still in disbelieve, but another part of me is glad that he has been exposed. Sorry to all of those who was scammed, I hope X and Train can help you guys. Stay safe, have a nice day friends.
Please, Ludwig, don't get scammed bro
"If you are defrauding your viewers, lying to them, and trying to extract money.." Sounds like he should be a politician, not a streamer.