She’s definitely going to be forgotten in like 3 years or something, there’s no way she’s going to have any longevity in her career whatsoever lmao. She wouldn’t exist a day if the music industry was like how it was during the 80s and 90s lol.
@@txwtwi think the veil is already lifting and people are Fr buying like before. The smartest thing she’s doing is positioning herself with A lister / like Taylor swift for example. That’s a major way she’s staying seen
@@CamrynSuzanne either way I still think she won’t be remembered at all for her craft or “artistry” (if you can even call it artistry) she’s definitely just going to die out in popularity probably once the 2030s start I think
@@stunnawhirlnah because nicki is so insecure about the talent of female rappers nowadays. it’s why she has beef with meg, latto, etc. she had to go ahead and buy ice spice’s support to make it look like she had allies in the industry (when really she has burned bridge after bridge because she’s married to a pedo, her brother is a pedo, she’s an abuser apologist, and dv victim blamer)
dua lipa’s development is one of the craziest transformations i’ve seen in the music industry. i mean everything has improved: performance, vocals, music production, lyrics etc. she’s actually really inspiring and I think newer artists should follow her by example.
Exactly, but the thing is that Dua could ALWAYS sing. She always had a very beautiful, raw voice. She was smart using that long gap after Future Nostalgia to get her stage presence and dancing together, which I initially suspected and it paid off. But regardless, you shouldn't be able to just pick a nobody starting at DEAD ZERO and have them blow up like Cube girl. And what really gets me is that she doesn't even want or think that she should improve. It's a joke esp bc we have so many female rappers out there who ARE talented, who HAVE been working at their craft but we have to deal with this waste of air time?
So true! It’s so shocking to see, because as op said, artists can’t take critique anymore! But dua changed it all, and her dance performances now are crazy good. I love her
@@Kiran37369 Seriously! I'm so proud of her. I don't really listen to pop these days outside of Ari, but she says in rotation. She's STUNNING, humble and isn't afraid to grind/improve? That's someone that I will throw my support and money towards!!
goat isn’t a good term. but in the end times like now, good is bad bad is good and that’s why the term sheep is painted as bad and goat is painted as good.
She's definitely gotten better, but she's like the most manufactured pop star we have. She doesn't give me any vibes of inspiration or creativity, or passion? She seems like she just does what her team tells her in that everything they do is corporate. So she has stepped up for sure, but I still feel like she doesn't really give us much. It's just a lot better than before.
I aint never met a Dua Lipa fan in real life. All of her biggest songs sound exactly the same, with the same whitewashed played out disco funk sound, and the exact same melody in every song. She makes music for TK Maxx and corporate events and thats it.
I’m so glad you’re holding the consumers accountable! If the public didn’t gas mediocrity so much, record labels would be forced to invest in more talented, innovative artists. We mostly get fed what we already consume.
To play devils advocate I feel the public was conditioned into likeing the music due to repetitive push. Like how Disney is creating lackluster films despite critics so they can get away with it more.
@@coffiebreak2236That definitely happens as well. I guess that’s where the concept of the “industry plant” comes in. I think “agenda” is one of the most overused terms in media and entertainment, but it’s possible that some music execs have their own agendas and images they’re hellbent on pushing for whatever reason.
Right? Like I feel like the consumers also don't give artist a chance grow as much as the labels don't. If it's not an instant hit or churning song after song, they're off the "It" block. It further the whole fast fashion and keeps mediocre songs in the spotlight for longer
@@bresea702Agreed. Attention spans are fried, and these labels know that. I really hope the music industry does a 180, but unfortunately, I think it’s too far gone. Sigh.
The industry is so watered down it makes me sad to see the amount of artists who do not have any passion for their craft. It’s all about being hot and viral these days. We need to stop supporting artists who are moving music backwards.
Some labels prefer these kinds of artist, they probably don’t write so they get to be in control of the music and the publishing, masters, be in the drivers seat, and when interest in the artist dies, they just rinse and repeat with someone else. It’s just business to the labels. They aren’t on a noble mission to gift music to the world. They just wanna make sure that next quarterly earnings report has a juicy number.
My Spotify playlists are full of talented artists who are not mainstream. I'm giving them attention, more attention than mainstream artists. But I agree with you.
this "think you the shit" song is the penultimate example of engineering a song to be memed on tiktok and go viral. it's not about the music. the "art" is made to fit the requirements of modern day music marketing. its sad as fuck
I'm glad you said this. Now that TikTok may be banned in the USA a lot of these artists, not just rappers, are going to have to prove they have the talent to stay in the industry.
Trust me I know. I had a few hundred followers, and I would message these a&rs on Instagram, they would all tell me how I’m talented, but I need a bigger following. Which is crazy, cuz that’s the whole job of a label!
@@benjaminmartinez2066ya that’s the point lol. These labels are signing tiktok artists like Addison Rae and dixi damelio, and then cry about how there’s no artists anymore. Maybe if they get an actual artist, and develop her, maybe there would be better artists? Great examples: Adele, ed sheeran, bruno mars
when i first heard the ' you not even the fart ' i literally thought it was some ai thing with ice's voice.. surprised it's an actual thing she released 💀😭
While you’re correct about the benefits of colorism and being lighter skinned. Latto is also light skinned and doesn’t get half the amount of attention that Ice Spice does even tho she’s way more talented
@@rickyronny4019because Ice spice is more palatable to White mainstream audience Lotto even though she is a preference still goes out of her way to showcase herself as black and hood from Atlanta. SHE SPEAKS WITH A THICK SOUTHERN and ice doesn't do that. It also helps that she even though has a curvy figure still looks kind of like a child she looks like a real life Powerpuff girl
My main issue with the "cocky artist problem" is the classism. Like you have all these artists who say they used to be poor and now are classist as hell. Like they've already forgotten what it was like
Especially the fact that they think they are better than most people because they got money not knowing at one point no one was checking for them and life can humble them really quick or a situation can humble them real quick
Oh god yes, I doubt they were poor. Realistically, if one comes from a poor background won't pursue art or music. Because doing art involves financial investments, not only music lessons, but also instruments, traveling to auditions or venues for concerts, paying for the creation of an album. I think they say they were poor because it will make the people/consumers find them nicer and easier to correlate with, considering the target audience is middle class people - who don't have money to blow on anything.
we need to talk abt Victoria Monet because she is an amazing song writer, singer and dancer but people were like ''Who is that'' after she won an award but know ice spice?
Yes, I love love Victoria Monét. I’ve been listening to her since 2016-ish. She absolutely deserved that and it was so annoying to see some Ice Spice fans insulting her
@@thema1998 I think it has something to do w her being a ghostwriter. It’s like her and sza are finally getting recognition they shoulda gotten YEARS ago.
I remember when people said the same thing about Megan. That all she did was twerk and the "Megan Knees" were getting old. She never said anything, but I did notice how in her videos after those critiques she's doing choreo, the composition of her music videos got more visually interesting and her outfits were fun while still being sexy. She still twerks, of course, but it isn't the only thing she can do.
Megan is not a 1 = 1 because because Megan blew up in the first place because of her demonstrating her skills with a ton of freestyles. People know she got it. The only ones who think otherwise only listened to one or two songs. But even in those songs, her pen is clever and her mic sounds nice. They just dismiss her because she's attractive, unashamed, and dances as she does. Anyone whose truly followed her already knows what she can do. But I'm glad for 'Hiss' because it's made some people take suggestions and go back and discover her. She's diverse AF yet people lie and say she's not. She's shown she can rap and freestyle on any beat and has bar after bar after bar.
@LadyAstarionAncunin You eloquently summarized how and why Megan has cemented herself as an artist. Her freestyles can't be touched and she is absolutely a creative individual.
I think they like mediocrity because it makes the artist more accessible. Everyone wants to be a celebrity and the average artist allows an average person to feel like they're closer to celebrity status.
Exactly. I think the artists do it on purpose for the sake of "self inserting". Fans, I speak of the zombies, who self insert in the artist and see the artist as a higher version of themselves. The bland music makes the dream of being an artist seem possible and achievable.
I think a lot of people liked her personality. At least from what I saw. I wasn’t a big fan of her but I did like how she was just quiet. Her music….i liked princess Diana (before and after the feature) and I liked how upbeat deli is but it’s just fun. But now the cockiness only works if you can RAP…..and I knew this was gonna go downhill when people were saying we only hated her because she was pretty and we liked glorilla because she ugly ???
I knew that from jump lol, before I even heard her music, i knew she was garage💀 edit: Lol, i said "garage", i meant "garbage" imma keep it that way though cause i think its kinda funny💀
PERSONALLY i think Michael Jackson had EVERYTHING we were looking for. he was passionate, he was AMAZING he could SING he could DANCE. i also think his sister Janet checks off all the boxes too
Leaving Never Land is Leaving Forever Lies , Wade was dating MJ's neice (Brandi Jackson) for 10 years & Mike's the one who hooked them up , everything in that doc is BS, when you got some solid proof besides the lies the media tells , then come back & talk ish, so until then Mike's THE GOAT🙌🏾@@mysteriousastrolabe
Yes, exactly. For some reason Chloë Bailey dropped a good album, the girl can sing, dance, has good lyrics but is always criticized for displaying sexuality, but Ice Spice is praised for it😢... Make it make sense...
@@Mew.X0not colorism but more like sexism because she started as next door girl but society doesn't support this "owning your sexuality" transition and that's sad because she's an adult
@@niraxlevi9930 I can see your point with the sexism part of how society see Chloe come-ups but colorism also plays the part as ice spice get much more praise as well as fame over the year due to both her being light skin and her body type while Chloe Bailey get more criticism when she does the same thing as Ice does which is unfair
Nah I think its completely different from chloe. She excels talent wise, and fans want her to level up and reach her max potential. For a lot of these performers sexuality is all they have and use it as a crutch. Chloe is the whole package and her products often look no better than the girls at the bottom of the barrel. A little booty shaking is fine,
I think it is expected for female rappers to be oversexualized so people don't pay attention to it as much. That's not a good thing but it has become so normalized and also rap/hip hop is a genre of music that caters to straight males. Pop music caters to women
real like as a person who wnats to be in the music indstustry i feel like its near impossible bc there ppl who do the bare minumin and end up making it such as ice spice and then theres ppl who acutl work hard and dont get as much of a chance
@@aniovana exactly and the thing that gets me is ice spice isnt even trying fr like i swear every time she raps she lowkey says the same thing like the only song i rlly liked from her was barbie with nicki but like other then that she be rapping like shes reading a script
@@aniovana right and the thing that gets me is artists really do needa be humbled but the one that needs to be humbled the most is ice spice like i swear to god every song says the the damn thing like and abt the same thing tkaing someones man and she litterly always has the same flow and just keeps saying the same thing and her songs dont even be making since like her song think u the shit like omllll
I feels like people are too afraid to criticise artists for anything anymore. If we call them out for being problematic, lazy, or mediocre, we're "contributing to cancel culture", if we say we don't like their music, we're "being triggered haters who are all jealous of their status and need jobs". I miss when people could criticise rich celebrities without being guilt tripped by said celebrities or their crazy fans.
Yep!!! This is exactly it. Some ppl in my comments are saying that it’s a problem im calling her out. Like??? I feel like what i’m saying is valid criticism as well as other consumers. You can’t say anything without fans or the artists taking it personal
And when you criticize the artists, their fans say “says the one who knows nothing about music and isn’t a professional” …and you are?🤨 if I can’t criticize them because “I’m not a professional” then what makes your positive opinion valid in any way?
Y'all remember PinkPantheress who made "The Boys A Liar" and collabed with Ice Spice? I feel so bad she never got recognition because she's actually like a singer :(
Pinkpantheress has been getting tiktok hits for years and has around 20 million monthly spotify listeners. Apparently a while ago she mentioned that boy's a liar is her least favorite song of hers, and I'd have to agree. her music is amazing, that song is terrible (the ice spice feature especially)
They sure don’t if any artists deserves to cocky, it should the artists that been doing music for over two decades like usher, Chris brown etc artists like the and lil Wayne they deserve to be cocky but these artists don’t need to be cocky
something else that people seem to forget is that stanning ice spice was a joke originally. like people were ironically stanning her and saying they were apart of the “spice cabinet” and jokingly comparing her to Princess Diana😭 then she started to see it and laughed at it and it just stuck.
I was thinking about this the whole video - it started as a joke, but then she made a bop with Pink Pantheress and the industry started pushing her. Talk about manifesting tho, we gave masterclass in speaking things into reality (like people gassing her up ironically and now look at her lol)
I feel thats the issue with the entire entertainment industry, not just music. We are getting mediocre movies, mediocre tv shows and mediocre books next to mediocre music. It's wild. And the people are consuming like crazy.
I think this is why I love Lady Gaga so much In the beginning of her career, she was the underdog and almost everyone was making fun of her But she stayed humble and loving and focused on her art And now she’s a ledge in her own right And not only is she going to be remembered for her talent she’s going to be remembered for her kindness
Isn’t she an industry plant? When i see someone like ice spice i don’t see an artist i see a product, a finished walking talking product meant to sell something to consumers so a bigger corporation can get paid. As fast as they rise they’ll drop off fr, nothing seems authentic about her and ppl aren’t stupid
aesthetics take talent. if you dont have the talent to put together a good aesthetic, why should i care? any old fool can be talented. it takes real creativity to put together a unique aesthetic
Blue Ivy was only 11 when she went on tour with her mom, Beyonce, and recieved hate for her lack of energy etc. Blue took that and worked harder and got better. And she was ELEVEN. Ice response was immature
Omg i saw that in the renaissance doc, the thing i hated about the blue critique was she’s just a kid and it must be terrifying getting in front of that many people. However, she really wanted to get better and worked harder
@@no.6377 i honestly hate ppl, they were so cruel about her as an infant. But she still is going with passion. Any grown person who shamed her should be ashamed
My brother is a music producer. He told me something that made sense, he said the industry is pushing artists that don’t have genuine talent bc they are easy to replace and have multiple cash cows at a time and raw talent is hard to find.
Raw talent is NOT hard to find. I sing myself and not to toot my own horn I’m amazing at it. I just don’t care for fame because I love my privacy and also I don’t care to be forced to partake in secks rituals, orgys and screwing producers to be able to elevate. It’s never just sales. They have to sleep their way through with hundreds people throughout their career. Church I go to some amazing voices as well. I also know plenty regular degular people and the homeless that have amazing voices or can actually rap and freestyle flawlessly. Talent is everywhere. They just aren’t “pretty” or “cool”enough.
Maybe they are also easier to "control", as in they dont have a strong sense of identity nor will they make "unreasonable" demands on contracts and earnings.
This is why people are so interested in Doja Cat. She change it up every time. To the point you don't know what she is going to do next. Alien, Demon, Goddess, an actual cat. Like she is never boring.
Yeah, Doja Cat really brings the concepts which I think is also lacking. She’s a very engaging artist and she’s always trying different things musically which I enjoy.
I know Wendy Williams is controversial and not the best example for this topic, but she really did call out every celebrity no matter the backlash. She humbled so many of them. I feel like we need her more than ever now 😂
@@lucillemenace3556 Plenty of the famous folks say very screwed up shite all the time but there people are anyway, supporting them anyway. I guess it has to be one of the ones cool enough or pretty enough to do so.
lil nas x, pink pantheress, doja cat, grimes and even sza and so many others are artists who are still able to make “fun and unserious” music but can turn around in the same second and make music of value. making just fun music will get you far as an internet celebrity but won’t get you far in hollywood and longevity. many artists we listen to all have a fun and silly song but that’s not all they have to offer. doja went viral for the most unserious song moo but look at how she’s come musically. as an artist you need to grow by yourself, for yourself and with your fans as well. like beyoncé her music has grown with her growing. growth is one of the most important things as an artist
I get so frustrated by these artists who don’t care at all about music and only want attention and money. They take eyes off the artists who DO care and put effort into their music. While subpar musicians are celebrated and receive widespread attention, the truly talented ones struggle year after year. One of my favorite bands has been around for a decade now and yet they are still obscure outside of their own sub genre. They work day jobs and bust their asses so they can keep doing what they do. It’s awful.
Yes, I think that’s something that frustrates me the most about this is that there’s talented people who dedicate their time and really value their craft. Who also have really good music that are not seeing the same success. I know life isn’t fair, but I feel like the least. Some of these artists can do that are putting in these positions is be humble, and be open to critique and getting better. Not being on a high horse because you’re lucky to be where you are.
Labels are investing in these tiktok singers who do a little dance, and think they can sing, while there’s countless amazing artists who would love to have the support of a record label, and would thrive off the support, ex/ Shawn mendess, ed sheran, Adele. While labels are signing off artists like Dixie damelio, and nessa barret. And now, labels and a&rs cry about how they are sad that they can’t find talent anymore, ummmm maybe stop signing these tiktok dancers?
I think what makes the recent wave of mediocrity even more scary is that it unfortunately isn't limited to the western music industry. I'm someone who likes to listen to a little bit of everything, and when I tell you so many of these newer artists from different countries could not dream of being even slightly at the level of their predecessors smh. The entire world needs to stop hyping up these artists who clearly do not care about their craft and are only here for the luxury and fame. BRING BACK REAL, HUNGRY ARTISTS!!! 🗣🗣🗣
@@CamrynSuzanne The answer is quite simple. The USA has influenced the world music market since day 1, so if American music is currently mediocre, then mediocrity reigns worldwide
I’m a K-pop Stan and have been since I was 11 in 2010. The amount of change (and not good change) that has been happening the past couple years is CRAZY. The songs are made with attention to being TikTok viral or being able to put in short form content. There’s artist promoting through dance challenges on TikTok instead of teasers through the company and just traditional marketing
the way people were actually surprised when taylor swift said she writes a lot of music because she loves ot shows us how love for art is actually not a big criteria for becoming an artist anymore
When that Ice Spice song showed up on my youtube page I was struggling to figure out if it was real. The song is so bad, and it isn't funny either. It's so barebones and just cringe
I’m not a huge fan of hers, but my niece asked me what it is she saying in this song? I said it sounds like “bish, u ain’t even tf” to me. I was absolutely floored to learn she’s actually saying “the fart”. 🤯🤯 Like what kind of lyrics even is that!!💀
Ice Spice needs to take some lessons from Dua Lipa, instead of letting people bother her when they said she couldn’t dance, she learned how to!!!! Why is she fighting constructive criticism from people who WANT to see her do better 😅 like you said, the bare minimum is upset that fans expect more.
If ice spice went through the dua lipa transformation, and came out with better bars, I just know she would have more longevity, than herself right now.
A plant doesn't care about such things. I'm sure they're promised that the fame will be taken care of and assure regardless of what their skill level is. And that's exactly what happens. Why a plant would take criticism personal when they're just there to stand in the gateway is beyond me, though.
The ORIGINAL queen of learning from Crit is Michelle Williams. When she joined Destiny's Child and they performed on 106 & Park, she tripped during their performance. The press were on her neck for WEEEEEKS about how she was bringing the standard of DC down and out of that we got her BODYING her performance for the VMAs later that year when they performed Bootylicious.
I still remember when Doja Cat celebrated that she has a stylist to help with her wigs and that she finally had dance instructor for her performances. She took those wig criticisms and "why she only twerking?" with stride.
So I actually like the boys, a liar remix, but I’d listen to the song long before there was a remix! So I initially like this song just because of pink Pantheress alone
"If a person is willing to sit and give you constructive criticism, that means they like your work but know you can do better. Take it on the chin, and allow it to help you grow." -My Horror Literature Teacher (he doesn't like his name being mentioned on social media)
ion know why ice spice thought she ate trying to shame a fan who called her out when the fan is absolutely stunning. like bye flop, as a fluffy girlie that does not mean we are lacking interested parties. the fact she had nothing credible to say about the fan's looks so peppercini went straight for their weight as a "flaw" when she knows damn well the fan was right & serving looks. embarassing.
The “send her back to the Bronx” part wasn’t really needed tbh it came off as rude to me you can’t give constructive criticism and be shady at the same time and expect someone to listen but ice spice shaming the girl looks wasn’t any better
@@amorelockster1023yeah everyone sucked in that situation. However, as the celebrity, Ice was pretty much cosigning shaming that girl for her looks. If the vibes were just a tad bit meaner, she could've incited so much hate and bullying towards a "normie" just talking ish on the internet.
@@amorelockster1023 Ice has a platform and a "fanbase" that could send a lot of hate to that girl if they wanted to. (Which I'm sure some of them did)
story as old as time: artists nowdays debut on tik tok and labels take them up to the top of the game immediately. While usually the path was: you have passion and show it: Beyonce was performing as a kid in a girl group in local competitions, Gaga was performing in night clubs, Taylor was performing in cafes all before getting discovered. Then came the developement deal with the label, which was meant to train you in all the aspects of being a pop star: singing, dancing, production of music, training on how to handle interviews etc… and ONLY AFTER ALL THOSE THINGS they had you debuting. And even then you’d debut and start as an opener for others stars before going on your own tours. Plus often the pop/rap stars that act all cocky are the ones who mostly lack something. Like you rarely see Beyoncé being cocky and bragging, same for Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, Katy Perry etc. They never had to tell you they were some of the great ones and always left their craft speak for them. And they are probably some of the last artists that actually care about their craft: the attention to detail, being that in the production, the vocals, the choice of instruments or beats, the storytelling, that’s what differentiates them. Like when you listen to someone who doesn’t care about the craft you can tell because at most you hear a very nice song, but when you listen to someone who actually cares you can feel that they want to deliver something more than a catchy/nice sounding song. You can feel and listen to their desire to express a part of themselves in the music and that’s because they spent years developing and working to get to where they are.
It’s pretty sad that these industry plants have taken the opportunity for actually talented up and coming musicians who want to get their name out there And I’m also tired of the “we need to bring back bullying.” Bullshit. What we actually need to do is value actual constructive criticism and to humble ourselves and take time to improve ourselves especially when it comes to something we’re passionate about
@@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241 I think it started out as a joke but than people took it too seriously and honestly think insulting someone and even ruining someone’s life is somehow constructive? 💀
After Going To The Beyonce Concert, I Don't Want To Go To Nobody Else Concert If Its Not At least Close To The Stage Presence And Production That Beyonce Gave. 😩
One artist I can think of that checks out these boxes is Bruno Mars. ✅Good visuals (this is subjective though, not like pretty boy perfect but not bad looking either) ✅Dance moves (or at least, the groove/flow needed to dance) ✅ Powerful vocals (have you heard him live? I did and it's out of this world, dudes jumping dancing and singing and gives his all, while sounding amazing) ✅Stage presence ✅Charisma ✅Passion for his craft ✅Catchy songs Also, Lee Taemin from SHINee. He really checks out all of those boxes.
This video was needed. Instead of talking about how an artist's project sound, all I'm hearing is how many streams and copies sold in the first week like that determines the quality of the album.
For real quantity doesn't equal quality. Artist rather brag and tweet about how many streams and monthly listeners they got. An artist would fart on a track and their cult followers would still stream.
This is top tier content. I wish some of these artists would watch these videos and truly hear the fan/public perspective and give themselves and the career the want, the respect to just listen. Dua really had the most impressive transformation. Hard work pays! So happy I ran across your channel Cam!!! 🤩
Wow thank you!🩷 i hope my video can help shift some perspective truly because i really just want to start the conversation. I’m so happy you ran across my channel too!
Wow thank you so much 🥺 i really appreciate this. I try to be fair but also critical at the same time. Some people think i went to tough….i’m like how?!?
I love how analytical this video is! And how you refer back to your older videos as “holding your previous opinion accountable”. LOVE. Also hearing you were ALMOST AT 10k and seeing how fast you’ve grown in the two months was wild. SO DESERVED. On my way to binge ur other videos 🤍
😂😂😂😂😂 preach, Latto been rapping her whole life ice spice flat out said she rapping casually since late high school.💀😭I gotta say though as a Nicki fan it blew my mind she’s beefing with latto, when latto is essentially the 20 year old nicki. Like girl is a barb. How the Barb inventor not have her mini me on a track. Latto has QUALITY BARS😂💀😭 make it make sense
Like one thing I can’t stand is when people are delusional about that girls talent. Latto’s been grinding for this and you can’t help but have respect for that.
They were beefing because artists like ice and latte gassed themselves up. Latto begged for a feature, Nicki denied, and then they beefed. I think if latto didn’t get so but hurt over something that happens often in the industry, rap would look different today.
@@lucillemenace3556, you talking about a track that wasn't a real track? Something she was playing around with and talking on? Y'all really need to do better with the insults. Nicki meant to do what she did, and it worked. Megan went #1 and dropped out of the top 10 in 1 week. Also, NOBODY is talking about Hiss this week because Nicki is not talking about it. Let's NOT!!!!🤭😂🤣😴
LOL! I listen to so much female rap these days but I just don't even bother with the videos. They're all the same pretty much. Unless I really like the song or the girl, but usually? I'm good. I'll make a flyer video in my head.
Camryn watching this... you really spoke out of my mind, I'm also so relieved that consumers like you still exist and value the true Art and the whole package of a musician. As a musician I wısh every artist that is dedicated and talented make their dreams work^
As an aspiring artist the over-saturation of the music industry was really intimidating and discouraging when I first started taking myself seriously… but now a couple years into working on myself and my craft (and I still have a LOOOONG way to go!) I’ve realized I’m craving, and so is the rest of the world, GOOD MUSIC. Authentic ART and story telling. Personality and individuality in music, and it’s refreshing. There’s so many mediocre artists out there, and don’t get me wrong there’s still real talent! But the radio and award shows just leave you scratching your head sometimes. It’s validating! There’s something to be said for hard work and passion. So keep it up boys and girls!! We can achieve anything we dream of if you’re ready to put the work IN. God bless 🫶🏽
soososo glad so hear someone withe the same opinions about the music industry! it gets so tiring to hear people constantly hyping up artists who clearly put no effort into their work
It’s just like social media! People use to upload to CZcams etc because they had a vision and didn’t care about views or making money. People made skits and documentaries etc because they had things they genuinely cared about ! Now it’s just everyone everywhere and you can tell people don’t even care about what they put out.
A little soul-crushing in the form of a reality check critique of an artist who has crawled up their own butt to sniff their own flatulence is never misplaced, nor wasted effort. Indeed, it can do a lot of good.
I was dog piled for saying Ice Spice was a terrible performer- people making excuses about how she “just came out” and “she’ll get better with time”. I absolutely blame the consumers and general public for this issue. Prior to social media there were agents and recruiters out on the ground searching for real talent. These were people in the music industry for numbers of years, with an understanding of entertainment, artist development, and real musicianship. Fast forward to now, where those middlemen have been cut out. Now the industry just has to pluck whoever has the most followers. Mediocrity is excused by Gen Z and yes imma call Gen Z out cause that’s who’s supporting most of these artist. Ice may get better with time, but why is it okay to have something be marketed to you that’s not had time to be developed?? I’m not spending my money on someone who’s a bad artist and performer. And that shouldn’t be acceptable to this generation. The bar is so low. I feel like we haven’t seen a real superstar come on the scene is so long people forgot what it meant to be entertained by a real talent. Corporations respond to the needs and desires of the consumers, so if people are eating this crap up, there’s no incentive to shift the product
Yeppp, i blame myself bc i was someone unnecessarily defending the mediocrity 🤦🏾♀️ and that contributed to her getting as big as she is. Foresure, we look at the labels and say the industry where half the time they are just giving us what we “want” and what we’re responding to
You nailed it. Before Doja Cat became constantly embarrassing online I thought she was gonna be a superstar. She produced genuinely creative songs, good enough singing, and good dancing. But she wasn’t media trained at all and her management never felt the need to educate her. As far as they’re concerned as long as she’s raking in followers she can be embarrassing online.
I grew up in a time when you did not debut before you were prepared. You were trained up. You were READY. They're flinging these folks out because they aren't authentic anyway.
ice spice is one of the first people in a loong while to have a physically distinct image from other artists, like you can easily spot her out in a crowd of people because of her orange hair - she stands out, something alot of artists don’t do right now. HOWEVER her songs are absolute dog. Imagine if she had the full package? she’d be unstoppable.
Yeah, ice spice definitely has the image and she worked really well with Main culture and Stan Twitter. I think she got very lucky and it worked but I agree the music just doesn’t match.
i think that actually focusing on consumer critique is the key to growing to the next level. artists like taylor swift knew that, and are continuously growing their market as a result
As a artist this is so important to hear I feel like when it comes to performances you pay to watch me and i waste your time the shame i will feel i will bully myself i want you to come to a show and feel like i value your time and your energy
I think we as consumers lack accountability because most of the time we’re looking for instant gratification where if we can get a quick laugh out of it, it’s automatically good. We don’t even have the time nor energy to dissect lyrics that we actually resonate with.
exactly. if we want to stop seeing this mediocrity, we have to stop giving them attention point blank. even if it’s negative, we can’t give them any reaction bc views are views and listens are listens. i find that a lot of plants like ice spice tend to be inflammatory purposefully in order to get even more people talking about them. it’s easier to piss people off than make them happy. ragebait is everywhere nowadays sadly.
"We don’t even have the time nor energy to dissect lyrics that we actually resonate with." THIS!!! But there's communities and spaces where lyricism doesn matter and amazing lyrics are praised (because you know...media literacy is a thing over there). I'm just trying to find them.
I will never be tired of bringing up Dua’s change. She literally is now one of the best performers of now if not the best. The main pop girl of our time ❤
i liked dua when she first started releasing music, but how dramatic her improvement was during the release of future nostalgia made me a massive fan of her, it's honestly inspiring to see how she took such brutal criticism, though funny, and levelled up her entire artistry
Watching this after the Kendrick Drake beef is very interesting. Not to tie all music back to those two artist, but i am very eager to see what happens next with music now that Drake lost so badly. He has been the front runner for very mediocre music that doesn't push the genre forward at all, what if the "Drake Era" of music is over now and we can open the doors to so much fresh ideas with music. I know Drake will go on to make more music that will likely be successful but that's not the point, the point is we saw actual artistic music preserve and that might hopefully set a new standard for music moving forward, hopefully for a few years at least. here's hoping🤞
What really gets me with this whole Latto vs Ice Spice thing is they will say Latto is boring and have no personality but Ice has a great personality? In my opinion when it comes to watching their interviews, or tiktoks, IG vids etc Latto seems like a really fun girl with a fun personality compared to Ice
I honestly don’t get the lotto hate, that’s what I’m saying her interviews. She seems really cool, fun, down to earth. I just think people don’t like her because of that lady.
@@CamrynSuzanneThe only reason I don't FW Latto is because of colorist stuff she said, especially to someone who was supposed to be her friend. And her original name was ignorant AF. So, I don't trust her yet. Otherwise, I'd give her a chance.
@@LadyAstarionAncunin I've heard people say they stopped messing with Latto because of the colorist stuff. Fans are hard to come by these days so losing any amount of support can be damaging. My sister was a whole Cardi B fan, we couldn't even bring up Nicki in her house without being cussed out 😅 But when she found out what Cardi said regarding someone's dead child she stopped playing all of her music. Things like this matter to fans.
this has honestly been on my mind for a while now. all ice spice songs sound the EXACT SAME, just a generic drill beat with some elementary grade ryhmes and an almost non-exisistent flow, she does not need to be beefing with people outside her talent bracket. i dont how she has fans but i guess a goofy haircut warrants icon status these days. and its crazy because i liked ice in the beginning, like her music wasn't that good but she seemed humble and like a vibe, but her recent actions have been really weird and she needs to be told that her music really isnt that good and most people see her as a joke or another viral meme/gag.
Yess it’s her actions that have made me shift the way I look at her. Like you can’t be not that good and walking around like you’re really skillful and that good. Like pump the brakes
I really appreciated this video. It was thorough, it was informative, it was relatively objective and overall, it got to the point of what’s really the problem with the music industry from both the artist and consumer. This overall was one of my favorite constructive critique vids i’ve ever seen for real. You are very well mannered, well-rounded, and overall pleasant to watch and listen to. As an aspiring artist myself, this even gave me a little cheat code as to what to study and change within my own self in trying my best to cultivate my fanbase and longevity for honing and mastering my own craft. Def gained a loyal subscriber here!
i saw it all firsthand but to this day i still can’t believe dula peep’s comeback story. i just KNEW my home girl wasn’t gonna make it and she showed my as! love her ❤
I feel like a lot of these artists, new and old can learn from Dua lipa. when you call them out on mediocrity or lacklustre..ness there’s always a bunch of excuses or insults. They don’t use criticism to actually do better. And I blame the fan base because they hype mediocrity instead of pushing their favourite artists to be greater.
I picked up a lot of info from this video. It’s interesting how you showed Dua performing earlier in her career vs now. What a huge difference! I also love your creativity and how you hold yourself accountable. Another great video! Congratulations on 10000 subs. I have a feeling you’re going to double that in no time.
What do you guys think? Is Ice spice here to stay or are her 15 minutes almost up? I created a poll on my community tab! Vote now👀
She’s definitely going to be forgotten in like 3 years or something, there’s no way she’s going to have any longevity in her career whatsoever lmao. She wouldn’t exist a day if the music industry was like how it was during the 80s and 90s lol.
Course she is to stay 😂
@@Everythinng_Re3boottedwe’ll see about that😂
@@txwtwi think the veil is already lifting and people are Fr buying like before. The smartest thing she’s doing is positioning herself with A lister / like Taylor swift for example. That’s a major way she’s staying seen
@@CamrynSuzanne either way I still think she won’t be remembered at all for her craft or “artistry” (if you can even call it artistry) she’s definitely just going to die out in popularity probably once the 2030s start I think
I’ll hand it to Ice Spice. She always looks just as confused as the rest of us about why she is anywhere. She’s a plant 100%
😂😂
@@stunnawhirlnah because nicki is so insecure about the talent of female rappers nowadays. it’s why she has beef with meg, latto, etc. she had to go ahead and buy ice spice’s support to make it look like she had allies in the industry (when really she has burned bridge after bridge because she’s married to a pedo, her brother is a pedo, she’s an abuser apologist, and dv victim blamer)
@@stunnawhirlas soon as drake flew her out, people should’ve known better 😭
@@stunnawhirl nicki co-signs anyone who kisses her butt, and taylor has a track record of instantly befriending every new and big artist.
friendly reminder that an industry planet is an artist that gets big backing from a big label but lies about being independent/self-funded.
dua lipa’s development is one of the craziest transformations i’ve seen in the music industry. i mean everything has improved: performance, vocals, music production, lyrics etc. she’s actually really inspiring and I think newer artists should follow her by example.
Agreed!! Hungry and wanted to improve. Listened to critique and came back 10x harder
Exactly, but the thing is that Dua could ALWAYS sing. She always had a very beautiful, raw voice. She was smart using that long gap after Future Nostalgia to get her stage presence and dancing together, which I initially suspected and it paid off.
But regardless, you shouldn't be able to just pick a nobody starting at DEAD ZERO and have them blow up like Cube girl. And what really gets me is that she doesn't even want or think that she should improve. It's a joke esp bc we have so many female rappers out there who ARE talented, who HAVE been working at their craft but we have to deal with this waste of air time?
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So true! It’s so shocking to see, because as op said, artists can’t take critique anymore! But dua changed it all, and her dance performances now are crazy good. I love her
@@Kiran37369 Seriously! I'm so proud of her. I don't really listen to pop these days outside of Ari, but she says in rotation. She's STUNNING, humble and isn't afraid to grind/improve? That's someone that I will throw my support and money towards!!
I also feel like the terms “icon”, “legend”, and “goat” get thrown around way too much now days and too soon.
and "queen" too
goat isn’t a good term. but in the end times like now, good is bad bad is good and that’s why the term sheep is painted as bad and goat is painted as good.
@@charlessynowiec3876i understand but it’s goat as in Greatest Of All Time (GOAT).
@@SideEyeee_ that’s what they want u to think of it as. but there’s always an ulterior motive behind everything they do n say
@@charlessynowiec3876 well meanings can change overtime,
The “go girl give us nothing” CZcams comment to Dua Lipa really lit a fire under her and now she’s one of the most iconic main pop girls.
Dua lipa is still bland, uninspiring and predictable. People are just used to her
She's definitely gotten better, but she's like the most manufactured pop star we have. She doesn't give me any vibes of inspiration or creativity, or passion? She seems like she just does what her team tells her in that everything they do is corporate. So she has stepped up for sure, but I still feel like she doesn't really give us much. It's just a lot better than before.
I aint never met a Dua Lipa fan in real life. All of her biggest songs sound exactly the same, with the same whitewashed played out disco funk sound, and the exact same melody in every song. She makes music for TK Maxx and corporate events and thats it.
We got some haters in this reply section XD
Love to see it
@@uhhidk127 I wouldn’t say she’s a main lol
I’m so glad you’re holding the consumers accountable! If the public didn’t gas mediocrity so much, record labels would be forced to invest in more talented, innovative artists. We mostly get fed what we already consume.
To play devils advocate I feel the public was conditioned into likeing the music due to repetitive push. Like how Disney is creating lackluster films despite critics so they can get away with it more.
@@coffiebreak2236That definitely happens as well. I guess that’s where the concept of the “industry plant” comes in. I think “agenda” is one of the most overused terms in media and entertainment, but it’s possible that some music execs have their own agendas and images they’re hellbent on pushing for whatever reason.
Right? Like I feel like the consumers also don't give artist a chance grow as much as the labels don't. If it's not an instant hit or churning song after song, they're off the "It" block. It further the whole fast fashion and keeps mediocre songs in the spotlight for longer
@@bresea702Agreed. Attention spans are fried, and these labels know that. I really hope the music industry does a 180, but unfortunately, I think it’s too far gone. Sigh.
I say this abt EVERYTHING. Like y’all b hyping up $5.00 gas nowadays & it just lets people get away with scamming us 😭
The industry is so watered down it makes me sad to see the amount of artists who do not have any passion for their craft. It’s all about being hot and viral these days. We need to stop supporting artists who are moving music backwards.
This exactly!! Let’s bring the music industry back to the music
Well said
This needs to be pinned
Some labels prefer these kinds of artist, they probably don’t write so they get to be in control of the music and the publishing, masters, be in the drivers seat, and when interest in the artist dies, they just rinse and repeat with someone else. It’s just business to the labels. They aren’t on a noble mission to gift music to the world. They just wanna make sure that next quarterly earnings report has a juicy number.
@@nameisaminethat makes sense. Once their TikTok artist isn't trending anymore, they replace them and leave them shelved.
In my opinion, it's not that artists aren't talented anymore it's just that we don't give the talented ones attention.
My Spotify playlists are full of talented artists who are not mainstream. I'm giving them attention, more attention than mainstream artists. But I agree with you.
@@LadyAstarionAncunin yknow Lyn Lapid?
@@xx_.mikanowhere._xx2404 love lyn
Flawless real talk, inko,
@@xx_.mikanowhere._xx2404yes, her too
this "think you the shit" song is the penultimate example of engineering a song to be memed on tiktok and go viral. it's not about the music. the "art" is made to fit the requirements of modern day music marketing. its sad as fuck
I'm glad you said this. Now that TikTok may be banned in the USA a lot of these artists, not just rappers, are going to have to prove they have the talent to stay in the industry.
As a musician, I can tell you labels straight up sign people based on their social media following and nothing else
That’s what i suspected! I mentioned it briefly towards the end but I wasn’t 100% sure
I can confirm I’ve had the “joy” of sitting with a bunch of label heads to hear them talk about how the industry has changed now social media exists
I mean it true. But in cases like saweetie, a big following on social media doesn’t always translate to streams and sales.
Trust me I know. I had a few hundred followers, and I would message these a&rs on Instagram, they would all tell me how I’m talented, but I need a bigger following. Which is crazy, cuz that’s the whole job of a label!
@@benjaminmartinez2066ya that’s the point lol. These labels are signing tiktok artists like Addison Rae and dixi damelio, and then cry about how there’s no artists anymore. Maybe if they get an actual artist, and develop her, maybe there would be better artists? Great examples: Adele, ed sheeran, bruno mars
when i first heard the ' you not even the fart ' i literally thought it was some ai thing with ice's voice.. surprised it's an actual thing she released 💀😭
Literally same…i was like this has to be an actual joke right?
no cause same
Ice spice is just beefing with herself and Latto isn’t responding at all which is what ice spice doesn’t like
It's definitely for kids. I could myself loving it in elementary/middle school
@@user-gg3os5dj5gthe one sided beef loll
Colorism allows preferred women to be rewarded for mediocrity and unpreffered women to be held to the proper standard and required to exceed it.
While you’re correct about the benefits of colorism and being lighter skinned. Latto is also light skinned and doesn’t get half the amount of attention that Ice Spice does even tho she’s way more talented
@@rickyronny4019because Ice spice is more palatable to White mainstream audience
Lotto even though she is a preference still goes out of her way to showcase herself as black and hood from Atlanta. SHE SPEAKS WITH A THICK SOUTHERN and ice doesn't do that. It also helps that she even though has a curvy figure still looks kind of like a child she looks like a real life Powerpuff girl
@@albertamathurin7084 ok so basically Ice Spice fits closer to the stereotypical light skin than Latto, that basically what you saying?
@@albertamathurin7084 these are all bad reasons
@@rickyronny4019 yes
My main issue with the "cocky artist problem" is the classism. Like you have all these artists who say they used to be poor and now are classist as hell. Like they've already forgotten what it was like
Oh, God, yes. A great example of this bs is Jay Z.
If anyone asks just look it up online, sorry, I'm not explaining sh*t for anyone
Yes this! And then they set fire to the ladder behind them.
Especially the fact that they think they are better than most people because they got money not knowing at one point no one was checking for them and life can humble them really quick or a situation can humble them real quick
Oh god yes, I doubt they were poor. Realistically, if one comes from a poor background won't pursue art or music. Because doing art involves financial investments, not only music lessons, but also instruments, traveling to auditions or venues for concerts, paying for the creation of an album.
I think they say they were poor because it will make the people/consumers find them nicer and easier to correlate with, considering the target audience is middle class people - who don't have money to blow on anything.
@@mushroommagic1697 Poor people do make art and music
we need to talk abt Victoria Monet because she is an amazing song writer, singer and dancer but people were like ''Who is that'' after she won an award but know ice spice?
Yes, I love love Victoria Monét. I’ve been listening to her since 2016-ish. She absolutely deserved that and it was so annoying to see some Ice Spice fans insulting her
@@CamrynSuzanne The joke's on those people! Victoria Monét probably wrote or co-wrote many of the songs that they used to listen to all the time.
@@thema1998 I think it has something to do w her being a ghostwriter. It’s like her and sza are finally getting recognition they shoulda gotten YEARS ago.
@@lucillemenace3556SZA has already been famous..
It’s called marketing
All these artists are giving theatre kid who got the main role 😭
Ayooooooo🤣
You aren't wrong
Facts . It’s giving audition.💯💯💯😂😂🤣😂😂🤣🤣
Theatre kid at least a triple threat in one way or another
Don’t sleep on theatre kids they know the art of performance!!
I remember when people said the same thing about Megan. That all she did was twerk and the "Megan Knees" were getting old. She never said anything, but I did notice how in her videos after those critiques she's doing choreo, the composition of her music videos got more visually interesting and her outfits were fun while still being sexy. She still twerks, of course, but it isn't the only thing she can do.
Megan is not a 1 = 1 because because Megan blew up in the first place because of her demonstrating her skills with a ton of freestyles. People know she got it. The only ones who think otherwise only listened to one or two songs. But even in those songs, her pen is clever and her mic sounds nice. They just dismiss her because she's attractive, unashamed, and dances as she does. Anyone whose truly followed her already knows what she can do. But I'm glad for 'Hiss' because it's made some people take suggestions and go back and discover her. She's diverse AF yet people lie and say she's not. She's shown she can rap and freestyle on any beat and has bar after bar after bar.
@LadyAstarionAncunin You eloquently summarized how and why Megan has cemented herself as an artist. Her freestyles can't be touched and she is absolutely a creative individual.
@@kaycee6858 she’s also been rapping forever… my old high school teacher was her teacher and he said all the students knew she could rap‼️
@@kaiw8442 Wow! That's so cool! My girl was giving lunch room rap shows and people saw the talent then.
what does megan knees mean?
I think they like mediocrity because it makes the artist more accessible. Everyone wants to be a celebrity and the average artist allows an average person to feel like they're closer to celebrity status.
exactly, prolly the reason why ice spice even blew up
Bingo
Exactly. I think the artists do it on purpose for the sake of "self inserting". Fans, I speak of the zombies, who self insert in the artist and see the artist as a higher version of themselves. The bland music makes the dream of being an artist seem possible and achievable.
I’m just annoyed that it took ppl this long to realize she wasn’t worth the hype tbh
I think a lot of people liked her personality. At least from what I saw. I wasn’t a big fan of her but I did like how she was just quiet. Her music….i liked princess Diana (before and after the feature) and I liked how upbeat deli is but it’s just fun. But now the cockiness only works if you can RAP…..and I knew this was gonna go downhill when people were saying we only hated her because she was pretty and we liked glorilla because she ugly ???
If you go to her snl vid not one comment was positive so she doesn't have real fans she's just memey junkfood type music
I knew that from jump lol, before I even heard her music, i knew she was garage💀
edit: Lol, i said "garage", i meant "garbage" imma keep it that way though cause i think its kinda funny💀
But she got GYATT
ice spice is just boring. brings nothing to rap music
PERSONALLY i think Michael Jackson had EVERYTHING we were looking for. he was passionate, he was AMAZING he could SING he could DANCE. i also think his sister Janet checks off all the boxes too
agree
100%!!! literally once in a lifetime artist
Leaving Neverland🤭🤭
Leaving Never Land is Leaving Forever Lies , Wade was dating MJ's neice (Brandi Jackson) for 10 years & Mike's the one who hooked them up , everything in that doc is BS, when you got some solid proof besides the lies the media tells , then come back & talk ish, so until then Mike's THE GOAT🙌🏾@@mysteriousastrolabe
@@mysteriousastrolabeIf you have to remove 2+ hours of “footage” because of debunked lies, then it doesn’t hold much weight does it?
Flo mili is talented, has great music, and is so underrated. She deserves so much praise and attention
Amen. Flo Milli is wayyyy better then most young female rappers out now.
Flo milli really needs more attention
Lakeyah too, she has good music and is a good performer.
I’m going to her concert next month with gunna!
Her dark skin prevents her from being mainstream
Yes, exactly. For some reason Chloë Bailey dropped a good album, the girl can sing, dance, has good lyrics but is always criticized for displaying sexuality, but Ice Spice is praised for it😢... Make it make sense...
It might be due to colorism
@@Mew.X0not colorism but more like sexism because she started as next door girl but society doesn't support this "owning your sexuality" transition and that's sad because she's an adult
@@niraxlevi9930 I can see your point with the sexism part of how society see Chloe come-ups but colorism also plays the part as ice spice get much more praise as well as fame over the year due to both her being light skin and her body type while Chloe Bailey get more criticism when she does the same thing as Ice does which is unfair
Nah I think its completely different from chloe. She excels talent wise, and fans want her to level up and reach her max potential. For a lot of these performers sexuality is all they have and use it as a crutch. Chloe is the whole package and her products often look no better than the girls at the bottom of the barrel. A little booty shaking is fine,
I think it is expected for female rappers to be oversexualized so people don't pay attention to it as much. That's not a good thing but it has become so normalized and also rap/hip hop is a genre of music that caters to straight males. Pop music caters to women
We dont neer to 'humble artists' just need to give actual talented people opportunities..
Real, Some people really need to get the opportunity
real like as a person who wnats to be in the music indstustry i feel like its near impossible bc there ppl who do the bare minumin and end up making it such as ice spice and then theres ppl who acutl work hard and dont get as much of a chance
@@itsjust_star it really deprives people of Pershing their dreams if they want to be a rapper
@@aniovana exactly and the thing that gets me is ice spice isnt even trying fr like i swear every time she raps she lowkey says the same thing like the only song i rlly liked from her was barbie with nicki but like other then that she be rapping like shes reading a script
@@aniovana right and the thing that gets me is artists really do needa be humbled but the one that needs to be humbled the most is ice spice like i swear to god every song says the the damn thing like and abt the same thing tkaing someones man and she litterly always has the same flow and just keeps saying the same thing and her songs dont even be making since like her song think u the shit like omllll
I feels like people are too afraid to criticise artists for anything anymore. If we call them out for being problematic, lazy, or mediocre, we're "contributing to cancel culture", if we say we don't like their music, we're "being triggered haters who are all jealous of their status and need jobs". I miss when people could criticise rich celebrities without being guilt tripped by said celebrities or their crazy fans.
Yep!!! This is exactly it. Some ppl in my comments are saying that it’s a problem im calling her out. Like??? I feel like what i’m saying is valid criticism as well as other consumers. You can’t say anything without fans or the artists taking it personal
@@CamrynSuzannethat’s what the famous person is signing up for, if you’re famous, ppl are going to have different opinions
Idc I support cancel culture lol drake is a pedo
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And when you criticize the artists, their fans say “says the one who knows nothing about music and isn’t a professional”
…and you are?🤨 if I can’t criticize them because “I’m not a professional” then what makes your positive opinion valid in any way?
Y'all remember PinkPantheress who made "The Boys A Liar" and collabed with Ice Spice? I feel so bad she never got recognition because she's actually like a singer :(
And i love pink panthress! I remember the song before the remix was even out
Pinkpantheress has been getting tiktok hits for years and has around 20 million monthly spotify listeners.
Apparently a while ago she mentioned that boy's a liar is her least favorite song of hers, and I'd have to agree. her music is amazing, that song is terrible (the ice spice feature especially)
i never understood this take… pink has BEEN an artist with multiple hits 🤣🤣 literally multiple songs with over 100 million listens
she does have plenty of recognition. why are you sad about nothing?
Artists today don’t even got the talent to be cocky😂
That’s what im sayin 😅
They sure don’t if any artists deserves to cocky, it should the artists that been doing music for over two decades like usher, Chris brown etc artists like the and lil Wayne they deserve to be cocky but these artists don’t need to be cocky
Send Ice Spice to South Korea for a SM/YG/JYP/HYBE boot camp. The Koreans would humble her QUICKLY. She wouldn’t last 2 weeks 😂😅
Fr😂😂😂
You guys are savage😂 but the criticism is valid- there are lots of people working their butts off barely getting anywhere for their hard work.
Kpop is no better these days. Visuals are more important than talent and the lip singing and plastic surgery at such a young age is crazy.
@@amorelockster1023agreed half the K-pop idols now can’t hold a note. It’s all visuals nowadays
Actin like u wouldn’t survive a day 😭
something else that people seem to forget is that stanning ice spice was a joke originally. like people were ironically stanning her and saying they were apart of the “spice cabinet” and jokingly comparing her to Princess Diana😭 then she started to see it and laughed at it and it just stuck.
She smart for that lowkey
@@Rodeojane oh definitely and i aint even mad at ha cuz look where it got her!!
I was thinking about this the whole video - it started as a joke, but then she made a bop with Pink Pantheress and the industry started pushing her. Talk about manifesting tho, we gave masterclass in speaking things into reality (like people gassing her up ironically and now look at her lol)
I feel thats the issue with the entire entertainment industry, not just music. We are getting mediocre movies, mediocre tv shows and mediocre books next to mediocre music. It's wild. And the people are consuming like crazy.
I think this is why I love Lady Gaga so much
In the beginning of her career, she was the underdog and almost everyone was making fun of her
But she stayed humble and loving and focused on her art
And now she’s a ledge in her own right
And not only is she going to be remembered for her talent she’s going to be remembered for her kindness
Stan Twitter has made liking music needlessly divisive
This!! I kinda want to make a video exclusively on this
@@CamrynSuzanne I think you should stan twitter is horrible
Why
Agreed but Twitter is so toxic in general
Seriously! It’s all these weird little cults that will attack you for not liking something, it’s craazzyyy!
Isn’t she an industry plant? When i see someone like ice spice i don’t see an artist i see a product, a finished walking talking product meant to sell something to consumers so a bigger corporation can get paid. As fast as they rise they’ll drop off fr, nothing seems authentic about her and ppl aren’t stupid
She's authentically ratchet.
I thought her song went viral on tiktok? Is that not true?
@@Kiran37369she did a challenge on TikTok that went viral
She is. This has been established a while ago.
@@Kiran37369she did a TikTok challenge that went viral
Female rappers went from being actually talented rappers first with sex appeal second to "look at my jiggling butt while I say words."
I think my generation is more interested in aesthetics instead of talent
Oh absolutely
aesthetics take talent. if you dont have the talent to put together a good aesthetic, why should i care? any old fool can be talented. it takes real creativity to put together a unique aesthetic
Any fool can be talented woah ..that's a wild comment.
Blue Ivy was only 11 when she went on tour with her mom, Beyonce, and recieved hate for her lack of energy etc. Blue took that and worked harder and got better. And she was ELEVEN. Ice response was immature
Omg i saw that in the renaissance doc, the thing i hated about the blue critique was she’s just a kid and it must be terrifying getting in front of that many people. However, she really wanted to get better and worked harder
People have been terrible to Blue since she was a literal toddler. So of course she got hate for not being Yonce level at 11🙃
I can't believe people were criticizing an 11 year old like that damn
People were rlly criticizing a child for not being acting loud and outlandish?
@@no.6377 i honestly hate ppl, they were so cruel about her as an infant. But she still is going with passion. Any grown person who shamed her should be ashamed
My brother is a music producer. He told me something that made sense, he said the industry is pushing artists that don’t have genuine talent bc they are easy to replace and have multiple cash cows at a time and raw talent is hard to find.
Mmm that unfortunately makes so much sense
100% makes since if Ice spice really goes down I can see she'll be instantly replaced just as fast as she's blown up
Raw talent is NOT hard to find. I sing myself and not to toot my own horn I’m amazing at it. I just don’t care for fame because I love my privacy and also I don’t care to be forced to partake in secks rituals, orgys and screwing producers to be able to elevate.
It’s never just sales. They have to sleep their way through with hundreds people throughout their career.
Church I go to some amazing voices as well. I also know plenty regular degular people and the homeless that have amazing voices or can actually rap and freestyle flawlessly. Talent is everywhere. They just aren’t “pretty” or “cool”enough.
Maybe they are also easier to "control", as in they dont have a strong sense of identity nor will they make "unreasonable" demands on contracts and earnings.
what i dont understand is then when genuine talent is found they get the door slammed in their face
I actually thought that Ice Spice’s new song was a joke made by ai 💀
SAME
This is why people are so interested in Doja Cat. She change it up every time. To the point you don't know what she is going to do next. Alien, Demon, Goddess, an actual cat. Like she is never boring.
Yeah, Doja Cat really brings the concepts which I think is also lacking. She’s a very engaging artist and she’s always trying different things musically which I enjoy.
Uh, no. She can keep her demonic ass for herself.
AND, her music absolutely SLAPS. Like, half of early TikTok's popular sounds came from her
I know Wendy Williams is controversial and not the best example for this topic, but she really did call out every celebrity no matter the backlash. She humbled so many of them. I feel like we need her more than ever now 😂
yesss
Oh nooooow ya need her after all the crap people were saying about her tryin to get her canceled etc she was a realist and I loved her for that.
@@KurosakiLuvar01 her wishing death on people…eh not so much
@@lucillemenace3556 Plenty of the famous folks say very screwed up shite all the time but there people are anyway, supporting them anyway. I guess it has to be one of the ones cool enough or pretty enough to do so.
what happened to her?
Ice spice using a woman's picture... It was very low. Probably the lowest she can get...
Yess that was soo rude
Trust me it can probably get worse if she continues to go down that path 😭
that is not the lowest😂
I make fart noises with my mouth when she twerks
That girl should have told Ice that unlike her she is good at her job.
When Mumble rappers started to become super popular is when I lost all faith in the music industry 😂
Atleast gucci gang kinda goes hard lmfao
lil nas x, pink pantheress, doja cat, grimes and even sza and so many others are artists who are still able to make “fun and unserious” music but can turn around in the same second and make music of value. making just fun music will get you far as an internet celebrity but won’t get you far in hollywood and longevity. many artists we listen to all have a fun and silly song but that’s not all they have to offer. doja went viral for the most unserious song moo but look at how she’s come musically. as an artist you need to grow by yourself, for yourself and with your fans as well. like beyoncé her music has grown with her growing. growth is one of the most important things as an artist
I get so frustrated by these artists who don’t care at all about music and only want attention and money. They take eyes off the artists who DO care and put effort into their music. While subpar musicians are celebrated and receive widespread attention, the truly talented ones struggle year after year. One of my favorite bands has been around for a decade now and yet they are still obscure outside of their own sub genre. They work day jobs and bust their asses so they can keep doing what they do. It’s awful.
Yes, I think that’s something that frustrates me the most about this is that there’s talented people who dedicate their time and really value their craft. Who also have really good music that are not seeing the same success. I know life isn’t fair, but I feel like the least. Some of these artists can do that are putting in these positions is be humble, and be open to critique and getting better. Not being on a high horse because you’re lucky to be where you are.
Who's the band?
Labels are investing in these tiktok singers who do a little dance, and think they can sing, while there’s countless amazing artists who would love to have the support of a record label, and would thrive off the support, ex/ Shawn mendess, ed sheran, Adele. While labels are signing off artists like Dixie damelio, and nessa barret. And now, labels and a&rs cry about how they are sad that they can’t find talent anymore, ummmm maybe stop signing these tiktok dancers?
@@catrocastre8215 Khemmis
@@lamamohammed226 Khemmis
I think what makes the recent wave of mediocrity even more scary is that it unfortunately isn't limited to the western music industry. I'm someone who likes to listen to a little bit of everything, and when I tell you so many of these newer artists from different countries could not dream of being even slightly at the level of their predecessors smh. The entire world needs to stop hyping up these artists who clearly do not care about their craft and are only here for the luxury and fame. BRING BACK REAL, HUNGRY ARTISTS!!! 🗣🗣🗣
Dang this is really a global problem 😭 how did we get here??
@@CamrynSuzanneI’m guessing it’s a wider problem linked to capitalism in some way
@@CamrynSuzanne
The answer is quite simple. The USA has influenced the world music market since day 1, so if American music is currently mediocre, then mediocrity reigns worldwide
Isn't it all about artists trying to get viral on TikTok with something that is catchy for 10 seconds instead of creating a piece of art?
I’m a K-pop Stan and have been since I was 11 in 2010. The amount of change (and not good change) that has been happening the past couple years is CRAZY. The songs are made with attention to being TikTok viral or being able to put in short form content. There’s artist promoting through dance challenges on TikTok instead of teasers through the company and just traditional marketing
the way people were actually surprised when taylor swift said she writes a lot of music because she loves ot shows us how love for art is actually not a big criteria for becoming an artist anymore
That’s what I’m saying!
You spit facts here. Too many artists are coming up easy without the work or talent. The least they could do is be humble about it.
When that Ice Spice song showed up on my youtube page I was struggling to figure out if it was real. The song is so bad, and it isn't funny either. It's so barebones and just cringe
Fr I thought it was one of those AI songs until I saw the check mark 😂😂
Yess the song is bottom of the barrel, i was likee i can’t anymore
It’s ok lol
@@Chillikilliayooooooo🤣
I’m not a huge fan of hers, but my niece asked me what it is she saying in this song? I said it sounds like “bish, u ain’t even tf” to me. I was absolutely floored to learn she’s actually saying “the fart”. 🤯🤯 Like what kind of lyrics even is that!!💀
Ice Spice needs to take some lessons from Dua Lipa, instead of letting people bother her when they said she couldn’t dance, she learned how to!!!! Why is she fighting constructive criticism from people who WANT to see her do better 😅 like you said, the bare minimum is upset that fans expect more.
That part!
If ice spice went through the dua lipa transformation, and came out with better bars, I just know she would have more longevity, than herself right now.
@@Kiran37369she definitely would
A plant doesn't care about such things. I'm sure they're promised that the fame will be taken care of and assure regardless of what their skill level is. And that's exactly what happens. Why a plant would take criticism personal when they're just there to stand in the gateway is beyond me, though.
The ORIGINAL queen of learning from Crit is Michelle Williams. When she joined Destiny's Child and they performed on 106 & Park, she tripped during their performance. The press were on her neck for WEEEEEKS about how she was bringing the standard of DC down and out of that we got her BODYING her performance for the VMAs later that year when they performed Bootylicious.
I still remember when Doja Cat celebrated that she has a stylist to help with her wigs and that she finally had dance instructor for her performances. She took those wig criticisms and "why she only twerking?" with stride.
clicked on the video for the interesting subject matter didnt expect to get jump scared by such a gorgeous woman
Omg😭😭 😭
Only good and humble tik tok artist is Pink Pantheress, she is such a great writer and producer and nobody can say otherwise 💋
I love pink pantheress!!
@@CamrynSuzanne queen 💋
Ok I’m going to check her out
Agreed
She can’t even sing.
I was actually surprised when I noticed people liked boys a liar for ice spice and not pinkpanthress 🤡 she’s so talented and her music is great
So I actually like the boys, a liar remix, but I’d listen to the song long before there was a remix! So I initially like this song just because of pink Pantheress alone
THIS
"If a person is willing to sit and give you constructive criticism, that means they like your work but know you can do better. Take it on the chin, and allow it to help you grow." -My Horror Literature Teacher (he doesn't like his name being mentioned on social media)
As a music nerd and future musician myself this legit is one of the best videos I’ve seen bring real musicianship and artistry
Thank you!! I am glad to hear that
THISSS!!!! we don’t have anymore actual pop-stars like MJ or Beyoncé who are hungry for it
That's because it is easier to become an artist nowadays...You don't have to be hungry. That's just how it is in this generation.
Why you say that
Beyonce is still here are you actually dumb?
Yup!
they exist but they are so underrated & unappreciated
ion know why ice spice thought she ate trying to shame a fan who called her out when the fan is absolutely stunning. like bye flop, as a fluffy girlie that does not mean we are lacking interested parties. the fact she had nothing credible to say about the fan's looks so peppercini went straight for their weight as a "flaw" when she knows damn well the fan was right & serving looks. embarassing.
The “send her back to the Bronx” part wasn’t really needed tbh it came off as rude to me you can’t give constructive criticism and be shady at the same time and expect someone to listen but ice spice shaming the girl looks wasn’t any better
@@amorelockster1023yeah everyone sucked in that situation. However, as the celebrity, Ice was pretty much cosigning shaming that girl for her looks. If the vibes were just a tad bit meaner, she could've incited so much hate and bullying towards a "normie" just talking ish on the internet.
Yep it gave bully
That girl was big asf. She need to be shaking some ass to loose weight cuz clearly what she doing ain’t working
@@amorelockster1023 Ice has a platform and a "fanbase" that could send a lot of hate to that girl if they wanted to. (Which I'm sure some of them did)
story as old as time: artists nowdays debut on tik tok and labels take them up to the top of the game immediately.
While usually the path was: you have passion and show it: Beyonce was performing as a kid in a girl group in local competitions, Gaga was performing in night clubs, Taylor was performing in cafes all before getting discovered. Then came the developement deal with the label, which was meant to train you in all the aspects of being a pop star: singing, dancing, production of music, training on how to handle interviews etc… and ONLY AFTER ALL THOSE THINGS they had you debuting. And even then you’d debut and start as an opener for others stars before going on your own tours.
Plus often the pop/rap stars that act all cocky are the ones who mostly lack something.
Like you rarely see Beyoncé being cocky and bragging, same for Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, Katy Perry etc. They never had to tell you they were some of the great ones and always left their craft speak for them.
And they are probably some of the last artists that actually care about their craft: the attention to detail, being that in the production, the vocals, the choice of instruments or beats, the storytelling, that’s what differentiates them. Like when you listen to someone who doesn’t care about the craft you can tell because at most you hear a very nice song, but when you listen to someone who actually cares you can feel that they want to deliver something more than a catchy/nice sounding song. You can feel and listen to their desire to express a part of themselves in the music and that’s because they spent years developing and working to get to where they are.
As a rapper myself who writes his own raps I appreciate you sharing this I’ve been saying this that I miss when people who couldn’t rap didn’t rap
It’s pretty sad that these industry plants have taken the opportunity for actually talented up and coming musicians who want to get their name out there
And I’m also tired of the “we need to bring back bullying.” Bullshit. What we actually need to do is value actual constructive criticism and to humble ourselves and take time to improve ourselves especially when it comes to something we’re passionate about
I also hate the "bring back bullying" stuff! There is a difference between criticism and vitriol.
@@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241 I think it started out as a joke but than people took it too seriously and honestly think insulting someone and even ruining someone’s life is somehow constructive? 💀
After Going To The Beyonce Concert, I Don't Want To Go To Nobody Else Concert If Its Not At least Close To The Stage Presence And Production That Beyonce Gave. 😩
Beyoncé is really that girl when it comes to performing🙌🏽 absolutely amazing
Dua lipa is good as well :) she’s improved and dances amazing. I went to both their concerts in Toronto. Of course Beyoncé is a better performance lol
Beyoncé is someone that somehow keeps getting better, I am so amazed. Absolute queen.
Girl you must go to a Ariana grande Concert it’s amazing I’m sure Beyoncé went is well 🤭.
girl I seen a video of Beyoncé being held up in the air by strings and doing flips in the air and I was so entertained by such a short clip
One artist I can think of that checks out these boxes is Bruno Mars.
✅Good visuals (this is subjective though, not like pretty boy perfect but not bad looking either)
✅Dance moves (or at least, the groove/flow needed to dance)
✅ Powerful vocals (have you heard him live? I did and it's out of this world, dudes jumping dancing and singing and gives his all, while sounding amazing)
✅Stage presence
✅Charisma
✅Passion for his craft
✅Catchy songs
Also, Lee Taemin from SHINee. He really checks out all of those boxes.
I think doja is another example, if you watch any of her performances she’s always brings it and switches it up every now and then!
@@meowmeow4857 true!! Behaviour aside, she's an all rounder
@@Camms96 so true!! doja can genuinely be fun and creative
As a young 14 yr old metal vocalist, looking at other mainstream pop artists just make me more passionate for my craft lol
rock on dude 🤘
the world needs more metal 🔥
@@bbweick agreed
These fans are just as delusional as the artist …
That’s really the teaaa
This video was needed. Instead of talking about how an artist's project sound, all I'm hearing is how many streams and copies sold in the first week like that determines the quality of the album.
That part! Numbers don’t mean a lot atp
For real quantity doesn't equal quality. Artist rather brag and tweet about how many streams and monthly listeners they got. An artist would fart on a track and their cult followers would still stream.
I really appreciate this analysis and the page growth from then to now is beautiful. Can’t wait to see more!
This is top tier content. I wish some of these artists would watch these videos and truly hear the fan/public perspective and give themselves and the career the want, the respect to just listen. Dua really had the most impressive transformation. Hard work pays! So happy I ran across your channel Cam!!! 🤩
Wow thank you!🩷 i hope my video can help shift some perspective truly because i really just want to start the conversation. I’m so happy you ran across my channel too!
One of the things I liked about ice spice in the beginning was how down to earth she seemed, but It really does seem that it’s gone to her head
Yeahh something shifted a bit foresure
Why you say that
Her association with Nicki. Nicki rubbing off on her.
She wasn’t down to earth she was humble and faking it til she made it and ppl fell for it even though her music was ass from the beginning.
You were simping, so you were delusional because she never was down to Earth. 😂😂😂
Dua lipa is a good example of level up
Who is that
@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390she is a pop star
@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390a UK pop star
Some 304. Has an ok voice. Looks like a stripper.
I really appreciate this take and insight, because I've felt similarly but I didn't think it was more universal than it was. Great video!
we need more artists being mainstream like SZA and lana del rey
Lanaaaaaaaaaaa❤
Artist get humbled when people stop listening. Then you’ll be selling your tickets as a BOGO deal when people no longer care to see or hear you.
Yeah, at this point, I think a lot of us just have to tune out if we feel strongly about it
I agree.
Yup look at what happened to Da Baby! He got humbled very quickly after his antics
@@se2664 exactly!
"frozen peppers"💀
I was like now why would he call her that😭
Can someone explain the frozen peppers please 😂
@@mariec1585 Cuz "ice" is frozen and peppers have "spice".
@@silververnallbells191 thanks!
That was too funny 😭
The most thorough, kind, educated, well constructed commentary on this topic I've seen to date. No-one could have said it better
Wow thank you so much 🥺 i really appreciate this. I try to be fair but also critical at the same time. Some people think i went to tough….i’m like how?!?
I love how analytical this video is! And how you refer back to your older videos as “holding your previous opinion accountable”. LOVE.
Also hearing you were ALMOST AT 10k and seeing how fast you’ve grown in the two months was wild. SO DESERVED. On my way to binge ur other videos 🤍
Wow thank you so much!! This means so much to me!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
😂😂😂😂😂 preach, Latto been rapping her whole life ice spice flat out said she rapping casually since late high school.💀😭I gotta say though as a Nicki fan it blew my mind she’s beefing with latto, when latto is essentially the 20 year old nicki. Like girl is a barb. How the Barb inventor not have her mini me on a track. Latto has QUALITY BARS😂💀😭 make it make sense
Like one thing I can’t stand is when people are delusional about that girls talent. Latto’s been grinding for this and you can’t help but have respect for that.
They were beefing because artists like ice and latte gassed themselves up. Latto begged for a feature, Nicki denied, and then they beefed. I think if latto didn’t get so but hurt over something that happens often in the industry, rap would look different today.
20 year old nicki is crazy when broke chick sunday can’t even chart TOP 200 on ther charts 😭😭😭
@@cvtisdzafter big foot never saw that #1 spot on bb hot 100, sit this one tf out 👉🏽🚪
@@lucillemenace3556, you talking about a track that wasn't a real track? Something she was playing around with and talking on? Y'all really need to do better with the insults. Nicki meant to do what she did, and it worked. Megan went #1 and dropped out of the top 10 in 1 week. Also, NOBODY is talking about Hiss this week because Nicki is not talking about it. Let's NOT!!!!🤭😂🤣😴
I just can’t watch someone constantly shaking their butt😮😂 Ewwww😂
😂
Ayooooooo🤣
@@FortuneLuvsthis was funny🤣
LOL! I listen to so much female rap these days but I just don't even bother with the videos. They're all the same pretty much. Unless I really like the song or the girl, but usually? I'm good. I'll make a flyer video in my head.
@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390😂😂🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Camryn watching this... you really spoke out of my mind, I'm also so relieved that consumers like you still exist and value the true Art and the whole package of a musician. As a musician I wısh every artist that is dedicated and talented make their dreams work^
As an aspiring artist the over-saturation of the music industry was really intimidating and discouraging when I first started taking myself seriously… but now a couple years into working on myself and my craft (and I still have a LOOOONG way to go!) I’ve realized I’m craving, and so is the rest of the world, GOOD MUSIC. Authentic ART and story telling. Personality and individuality in music, and it’s refreshing. There’s so many mediocre artists out there, and don’t get me wrong there’s still real talent! But the radio and award shows just leave you scratching your head sometimes. It’s validating! There’s something to be said for hard work and passion. So keep it up boys and girls!! We can achieve anything we dream of if you’re ready to put the work IN. God bless 🫶🏽
Someone called ice Spice, Frozen peppers. I am done 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂😂not frozen peppers . this is what keep me laughing in this whole video.
I cackled out loud 😭
She got nicki as a mentor, her delusion isn't really surprising 😂
Nah cuz I was like… Nicki you can not be taking this girl under your wing
If there’s anything from Nicki that you don’t wanna take inspiration from, it’s her personality 😂
@@rickyronny4019 damn right 😂
I believe Nicki is doing it to stay relevant. Not saying she can’t stay relevant on her own
Nicki isn't that girl's mentor, she just hopped on her songs because Y'ALL keep saying she doesn't collab with female rappers.
soososo glad so hear someone withe the same opinions about the music industry! it gets so tiring to hear people constantly hyping up artists who clearly put no effort into their work
Yeah Dua went from giving nothing to giving us one of the most successful eras of the last decade in just 3 years
It’s just like social media! People use to upload to CZcams etc because they had a vision and didn’t care about views or making money. People made skits and documentaries etc because they had things they genuinely cared about ! Now it’s just everyone everywhere and you can tell people don’t even care about what they put out.
A little soul-crushing in the form of a reality check critique of an artist who has crawled up their own butt to sniff their own flatulence is never misplaced, nor wasted effort. Indeed, it can do a lot of good.
😂😂😂
@@CamrynSuzanne Hey, congrats on hitting 10K subs! 😁👍
@@keiththorpe9571 thank you so much🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
immediately subbed. you're so fair, break things down nicely, and unbiased.
Thank you!!
One of the Most Well Spoken videos, you earned yourself a subscriber ❤
Wow, thank you! 🥹 i appreciate you hitting the subscribe button!!
I was dog piled for saying Ice Spice was a terrible performer- people making excuses about how she “just came out” and “she’ll get better with time”. I absolutely blame the consumers and general public for this issue. Prior to social media there were agents and recruiters out on the ground searching for real talent. These were people in the music industry for numbers of years, with an understanding of entertainment, artist development, and real musicianship. Fast forward to now, where those middlemen have been cut out. Now the industry just has to pluck whoever has the most followers. Mediocrity is excused by Gen Z and yes imma call Gen Z out cause that’s who’s supporting most of these artist. Ice may get better with time, but why is it okay to have something be marketed to you that’s not had time to be developed?? I’m not spending my money on someone who’s a bad artist and performer. And that shouldn’t be acceptable to this generation. The bar is so low. I feel like we haven’t seen a real superstar come on the scene is so long people forgot what it meant to be entertained by a real talent. Corporations respond to the needs and desires of the consumers, so if people are eating this crap up, there’s no incentive to shift the product
Yeppp, i blame myself bc i was someone unnecessarily defending the mediocrity 🤦🏾♀️ and that contributed to her getting as big as she is. Foresure, we look at the labels and say the industry where half the time they are just giving us what we “want” and what we’re responding to
You nailed it. Before Doja Cat became constantly embarrassing online I thought she was gonna be a superstar. She produced genuinely creative songs, good enough singing, and good dancing. But she wasn’t media trained at all and her management never felt the need to educate her. As far as they’re concerned as long as she’s raking in followers she can be embarrassing online.
"Why market artist that has yet to be developed?? " I love when you said that👏👏
I grew up in a time when you did not debut before you were prepared. You were trained up. You were READY. They're flinging these folks out because they aren't authentic anyway.
ice spice is one of the first people in a loong while to have a physically distinct image from other artists, like you can easily spot her out in a crowd of people because of her orange hair - she stands out, something alot of artists don’t do right now. HOWEVER her songs are absolute dog. Imagine if she had the full package? she’d be unstoppable.
Yeah, ice spice definitely has the image and she worked really well with Main culture and Stan Twitter. I think she got very lucky and it worked but I agree the music just doesn’t match.
i think that actually focusing on consumer critique is the key to growing to the next level. artists like taylor swift knew that, and are continuously growing their market as a result
As a artist this is so important to hear I feel like when it comes to performances you pay to watch me and i waste your time the shame i will feel i will bully myself i want you to come to a show and feel like i value your time and your energy
Edit: i ain't tryna promote myself this is a alt account you won't find my music here just felt like sharing my thoughts
I think we as consumers lack accountability because most of the time we’re looking for instant gratification where if we can get a quick laugh out of it, it’s automatically good. We don’t even have the time nor energy to dissect lyrics that we actually resonate with.
Absolutely and in turn we end up in the situation time after time
exactly. if we want to stop seeing this mediocrity, we have to stop giving them attention point blank. even if it’s negative, we can’t give them any reaction bc views are views and listens are listens. i find that a lot of plants like ice spice tend to be inflammatory purposefully in order to get even more people talking about them. it’s easier to piss people off than make them happy. ragebait is everywhere nowadays sadly.
"We don’t even have the time nor energy to dissect lyrics that we actually resonate with." THIS!!! But there's communities and spaces where lyricism doesn matter and amazing lyrics are praised (because you know...media literacy is a thing over there). I'm just trying to find them.
I will never be tired of bringing up Dua’s change. She literally is now one of the best performers of now if not the best. The main pop girl of our time ❤
Yeah. Dua is a stand out talent in an era full of mediocre melodies
i liked dua when she first started releasing music, but how dramatic her improvement was during the release of future nostalgia made me a massive fan of her, it's honestly inspiring to see how she took such brutal criticism, though funny, and levelled up her entire artistry
Watching this after the Kendrick Drake beef is very interesting. Not to tie all music back to those two artist, but i am very eager to see what happens next with music now that Drake lost so badly.
He has been the front runner for very mediocre music that doesn't push the genre forward at all, what if the "Drake Era" of music is over now and we can open the doors to so much fresh ideas with music.
I know Drake will go on to make more music that will likely be successful but that's not the point, the point is we saw actual artistic music preserve and that might hopefully set a new standard for music moving forward, hopefully for a few years at least. here's hoping🤞
What really gets me with this whole Latto vs Ice Spice thing is they will say Latto is boring and have no personality but Ice has a great personality? In my opinion when it comes to watching their interviews, or tiktoks, IG vids etc Latto seems like a really fun girl with a fun personality compared to Ice
I honestly don’t get the lotto hate, that’s what I’m saying her interviews. She seems really cool, fun, down to earth. I just think people don’t like her because of that lady.
Sadly he doesn’t have hits and her latest music isn’t connecting with her audience. She also doesn’t have a really strong fanbase
@@CamrynSuzanneThe only reason I don't FW Latto is because of colorist stuff she said, especially to someone who was supposed to be her friend. And her original name was ignorant AF. So, I don't trust her yet. Otherwise, I'd give her a chance.
@@LadyAstarionAncunin I've heard people say they stopped messing with Latto because of the colorist stuff. Fans are hard to come by these days so losing any amount of support can be damaging. My sister was a whole Cardi B fan, we couldn't even bring up Nicki in her house without being cussed out 😅 But when she found out what Cardi said regarding someone's dead child she stopped playing all of her music. Things like this matter to fans.
this has honestly been on my mind for a while now. all ice spice songs sound the EXACT SAME, just a generic drill beat with some elementary grade ryhmes and an almost non-exisistent flow, she does not need to be beefing with people outside her talent bracket. i dont how she has fans but i guess a goofy haircut warrants icon status these days. and its crazy because i liked ice in the beginning, like her music wasn't that good but she seemed humble and like a vibe, but her recent actions have been really weird and she needs to be told that her music really isnt that good and most people see her as a joke or another viral meme/gag.
Yess it’s her actions that have made me shift the way I look at her. Like you can’t be not that good and walking around like you’re really skillful and that good. Like pump the brakes
And all Latto music sounds like put it on the floor remixes
@@breebreezy9980 to you
Her head got big as hell
I really appreciated this video. It was thorough, it was informative, it was relatively objective and overall, it got to the point of what’s really the problem with the music industry from both the artist and consumer. This overall was one of my favorite constructive critique vids i’ve ever seen for real. You are very well mannered, well-rounded, and overall pleasant to watch and listen to. As an aspiring artist myself, this even gave me a little cheat code as to what to study and change within my own self in trying my best to cultivate my fanbase and longevity for honing and mastering my own craft. Def gained a loyal subscriber here!
I appreciate all of this and you so much! I’m so happy that this video read this way, I wanted to be fair but also honest. Thank you thank you🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
i saw it all firsthand but to this day i still can’t believe dula peep’s comeback story. i just KNEW my home girl wasn’t gonna make it and she showed my as! love her ❤
I feel like a lot of these artists, new and old can learn from Dua lipa. when you call them out on mediocrity or lacklustre..ness there’s always a bunch of excuses or insults. They don’t use criticism to actually do better. And I blame the fan base because they hype mediocrity instead of pushing their favourite artists to be greater.
Yes! This is why I will always have a certain respect for dua lipa. She cared, listened and improved. Yeah the fanbases are absolutely enabling
I picked up a lot of info from this video. It’s interesting how you showed Dua performing earlier in her career vs now. What a huge difference! I also love your creativity and how you hold yourself accountable. Another great video! Congratulations on 10000 subs. I have a feeling you’re going to double that in no time.
Yes dua lipa is a huge example of all of this at play and coming out stronger it!! And thank you❤️
Yep, there is a reason I listen to very little mainstream artists. Agree with most of what you're saying.