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Hope you enjoy today’s video!🫢 Let’s chat about an artist being “Past their Prime”👇🏽
Please cover Usher, it seems he’s catering to young people, from collaborating with Summer Walker often, to the song ‘Boyfriend’, it would be interesting to hear your take!
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@@CamrynSuzanne Kesha!!!
Jennifer Lopez, Drake, and Chris Brown.
Pls cover Sia u never talk about her 😢
Bjork has been releasing albums since she was 11 years old. she's 58 now and about to release another album pretty soon. she does DJ sets playing brazillian funk music just for fun. it's not about age it's about not being able to mature, transfom and EVOLVE with time.
agreed!!
i think that’s also why beyoncé has been experimenting so much with her sound and career ever since self titled, i think she knows that branching out and trying new things is the secret to longevity.
Bjork mentioned raaaaaaaaah
I’ve always heard of her name but i didn’t know she was making music that young
That part!!!!!
"sometimes the music just isn't music-ing the way that the music used to music" is the best opener in all of music commentary 👏
Ahhh thank youu🤭🤭
Honestly that could’ve been the video in five seconds lmao period
Absolutely!
only true music consumers could understand what she meant by that 😎
and followed by the glass shattering STOP
Tina Turner made her comeback at 44! She achieved most of her success thereafter.
@@enid4030 example??
@@minatorres5261 they say anything to feel smart smh. Drake and Nicki AND Katy all still make great music. Way better than what these new bozos be making
Tina Turner tried all kinds of styles, that is what made her incredible. She also had a real message about us in her music. Some of those songs are about been older.
@@enid4030 example of aging pop start that are industry plant like you said
@@shanesmith-vn1riur objectively wrong
to make a perspective: Olivia Rodrigo is 21 years old and faced a backlash earlier this year because she advocate for Abortion Rights in the Guts Tour. Raye is 26 and has a song called Ice Cream Man here she sings about being SA by a producer and how dangerous the industry can be to young girls. Katy is almost 40 years old. it's something to think about: the new generation wants to be taken SERIOUSLY. so the olders need to CATCH UP.
That’s a good point, you do have a lot of younger or newer artists trying to change the tide and speaking out more openly about the industry
Mick Jagger could care less about the younger generation; it's supposed to be about music, not some platform.
@@lisetteeliseparis7070Then don’t sing about such things. Don’t sing about important topics if you’re not actually trying to say something serious and important.
@@lisetteeliseparis7070
Cool. But if people don't care for your topics, don't be surprised.
Incredible comment ❤
I understand that Katy Perry's new song is supposed to be satire, but the involvement of Dr. Luke and the fact that Woman's World isn't distinguishable enough from the thing it's supposed to be satirizing feels like a giant middle finger to women and feminists. Aside from that I don't care if artists continue making music until they're dead. The Rolling Stones and plenty of other old white dude bands have done that with basically no criticism whatsoever.
Absolutely thisss👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽
@@CamrynSuzanne Thank you. I love your work.
It wasn’t satire when she was promoting it before it flopped 🤷♀️
Her saying the song is a satire sounds more like a cop out
I was waiting for the video to cut to the reality of women's existence and not just the male gaze...it never happened
Katy's whole situation feels like the "how do you do fellow kids" meme
@@N.I.S.C exactly!
I saw a comment that said that women’s world sounded like it was made for the Barbie movie and was rejected so she decided to put it in her album. It resonated with me
I can definitely see that😭
strangely i feel like if katy released this song a year ago when the barbie shit was happening and didn’t work with dr. luke on it, that it would’ve been a lowkey hit at the time but would’ve sounded outdated by now as most actual Barbie songs do nowadays. Which just goes to prove how the song is just not good
@@omarxperez More like a knock-off/insult to Barbie. Actual Barbie movie songs are perfectly fine.
I also had the same thought. That maybe this was supposed to be satire in the Barbie movie, but hey 🤷🏿♀️
@@lightdove7 it would definitely work as a satire song, fit especially when the Kens take over 😭
I love Gwen Stefani. She’s now “past her prime,” and a few years ago she tried to make a comeback, put out a very in-your-face (but honestly not bad) comeback song, then got mocked for Slow Clap and ended up not putting out the album. Now she seems to have just said “fuck it” and starting putting out cheesy as hell love songs to her husband. I don’t love this “era” of her music, but I think it’s a hell of a lot more flattering than a comeback attempt that doesn’t land. And really, if I want good Gwen music I can go back to LAMB, The Sweet Escape, and the entirety of No Doubt’s discography.
I guess what I’m trying to say is there’s no shame in a successful artist hanging it up and not trying to appeal to capitalism anymore. It’s a much better look than desperately trying to cling onto mainstream relevance and looking out of touch
Thanks for adding this bit about gwen stefani, I hadn’t been super tapped into her releases the past few years! But i absolutely agree, its okay to maybe not appeal to capitalism and make the music for the group of folks who appreciate you , your legacy and impact
I'm a no doubt and Gwen fan, I don't like much of her new music at all but I love her music from 2000s and with no doubt. At least she's continuing to do what she wants.
Great comment.
@@dollz4ever so is Katy not doing what she wants?? You bozos are confusing
@@Mr-tu4cj The only such thing as good Gwen Stefani music is No Doubt.
Rihanna's had one of the best careers in pop, because she achieved everything you could dream of and exited the main stage on what's widely considered her strongest album.
I think she's still coming out with an album! maybe not for another 2-3 years though
@CamrynSuzanne I would be suprised if she releases another album. I'm sure you'll cover it if she does though.
Rihanna was a pawn who sold her soul. Nothing about her is special. Her songs are popular but NOT good.
But when she drop a song left me up it didn’t do well
@@tauqueishachester9844 it was for a soundtrack and it was a slow ballad I think that's why.
There’s also the fact that artists are not aging their music with their original fanbase! The life experiences that people face in their mid-late 30s and onwards is incredibly underrepresented in compared to the life experiences of teenagers and young adults, and are just as valid to sing about.
However, the problem is that celebrities live in a bubble where they often don’t experience those life transitions at the same rate (if at all) to their fanbase. So you see a lot of legacy artists trying to compete with the 20-something’s because they still feel like they’re in the same stage of life. And it doesn’t resonate with audiences the same, because the (original) audience has aged out and there’s now a disconnect between the music, the artist, and the audience.
This is very true! Your core fanbase is growing up and some artists steady try to pander to younger audiences, people that never understand their impact bc they weren’t there or even born for that matter. If more artists focused on what you said, I think it would resonate more
Adele basically the only one
@@manulopez4697But Adele has always made music for a more mature demographic (30+). Her demo was never the same as Taylor Swift or Katy even back then. She was able to succesfully reach the adult contemporary audience that once was dominated by the likes of Celine Dion or Michael Bolton and even early 90s Toni Braxton. Then add the fact that she also had a more mature look than her peers (hairstyle, fashion style, make-up...)
@@AngeBiampandouagreed completely
Omg this all day
Mariah Carey will ALWAYS be a legend, end of story. So will Whitney and Janet.
1000%
@@agzilla9005 Janet’s been in tour for 2 years! I saw her in Tokyo sold out 3 nights. She’s a forever artist
The only comment that makes sense here
Mariah just needs to work on her voice more and see a vocal coach. There’s clear signs she’s not doing the proper prep work for her voice. Her vocal decline isn’t just the result of age and overuse, but preparation. She’s still crazy talented because she’s a good songwriter as well.
Please stream damita Jo every thanksgiving (along with myself) to get back at the man, the Superbowl and the Timberlake
"Gen Z can never make me hate you" girl half of gen z didnt even know katy dropped a song pls be fr
😂😂😂
Fully i saw the thumbnail and thought oh who's that she's gonna talk about 🙃
@@AIgeneratedHuman well she hasn’t dropped her album yet…
@@readinggeo167 this was me. It took me a minute and also looking through the comments. Whatever works she's had done I don't recognize her original face at a first glance anymore. Taking her bangs away also didn't help 🙃.
Millenials didn’t know either, trust. I saw that cover and was like…who’s this brunette Kim Petras?
I just wish agencies taught there artist how to gracefully leave the lime light😭🤚
There is absolutely an art to knowing the next move, which I think is why we see previous artist doing TV shows, residencies, etc., as a transition
im sorry but its up to know one but the artist when to leave the lime light. Its also telling that only woman are being told this for the most part. people said beyonce should retire even though she had a record breaking tour last year. its bs
@@devanshepard9118I agree this is usually directed to women in the industry I’ve never heard anyone tell lol Wayne Eminem Luke Bryan Justin Timberlake all these older male artist to retire it’s mostly women
@@amorelockster1023 I feel like I've heard that about eminem quite a few times.
@@jellytwins1018 Yeah, and Justin Timberlake.
Katy Perry’s mistake (imo) is when she tried to become a social and cultural commentator. She’s always had a superficial view of culture and feminism, which worked to her benefit as her Candy Queen persona. Kathryn Hudson doesn’t have the range to address these issues, seriously or satirically.
Facts! She's the embodiment of "yt feminism" that only challenges issues rich/middle-class, straight, able-bodied yt women face. Feminism that can fit cutely on a T-shirt.
You’d think she’d learn that after the mess that was Witness
Really well said
I agree and I think even if some of us thought she evolved as when she did CTTR I think that was just because it was co_written by Sía and Skip Marley, I think Katy is immature for her age, sometimes she does funny things and thats ok but when she touches important subjects like womenhood or feminism and shes not serious about it it just goes the way that song did, I feel like she needs to work more on herself as a person and then that would translate to her art & also who she chooses to work with, anybody would think this would be a wake up call for her but tbh idk if she ever gonna truly evolve and that makes me sad cause I used to like her
Tbh I think Witness mentally damaged her and traumatized her, she said she did therapy etc and that shes ok now but I dont think that a person that is mentally ok would even think working on a song about women with Dr Luke would be her greatest come back, thats total delusion & there are rumors that her team warned her not to do it cause it would be bad for her image but she did not listen, idk if thats true, but at the same time makes sense because how can a whole label and team all be this delusional? I think actually during the start of Witness when she did her livestreams etc it seemed like she was finally growing up and learning but I think the hate train really made her go backwards, because shes acting worse even that back then when it comes to social issues
I think there’s no age limit in music as long as the artist can reinvent themselves in a way that they can stay fresh and interesting. On the other hand I DO think the theme of their music should reflect the times and their age (like you can’t be pushing 40 and still sing about boys, you must’ve had other interesting experiences by then)
Yes, it’s more about the reinvention and keeping things fresh. Pushing artistic boundaries!
@@CamrynSuzanneExactly, I know it’s hard to please the public, but there’s plenty of genres they can experiment with as long as they keep an open mind 🙌🏻
@@CamrynSuzanne This.. Good Artists as they age learn to adapt & change their songwriting as they age regardless of genre
Katy has the template of Madonna to follow from 80s-00s .... But Katy is still stuck in a sonic era of 10-15 yes ago. No forward movement
❤❤❤ exactly how I feel. Keep making music as long as you can, but grow!
One doesn't need to reinvent (or keep reinventing) themselves.
Rush is my second fave band and even though they kept doing albums, I think Presto was their last good album (it was 1989 and had one stand out song, The Pass).
Although I will admit that Modern Pop (from '90's) has a more limited lifespan. But hey, why would an artist want to keep 'speaking' to tweens and teens when they've (the artists) have aged and are in their 30, 40, 50s.
Can we talk about how Beyonce's longevity is?
She started her career in 1997 and her solo career in 2003 and i feel like she is still in her prime or at least she's not forgotten at all!
Yes!! I mentioned it briefly in the end but 100% agree
Because Beyoncé isnt milking off Crazy In Love and Irrepleceable and still is growing and evolving, unlike Katy who still thinks she's the pop star of the 2010s
Beyonce has sabotaged her competition, that's why. She literally ruined Normani and Chloe's carreers behind the scenes. It will all come out one day. Just wait.
@@JiafeiProducts6969you said it all right there!!
Love her or hate her, you can see her evolving throughout the albums! She's not just 'following the trend', but curating the trend towards what she wants.
Now if only she released those visuals though...
Pop music culture IS ageist. It’s just how it is. You’ve got rock, alternative, folk…etc singers doing great well into their 50s. Pop on the other hand, is just about young hot people making fun music. you don’t go into that looking for longevity.
Kylie Minogue is an exception in pop music! She's been in the industry over 30 years and is still slaying!
Similar to RAP
I dont think it’s simply that. Mainstream pop is geared towards young adults and teens. Once older people become out of touch with what is trendy and cool, they have a habit of hating on the younger generations. Eminem would have kept coasting on his legacy title despite not releasing memorable music in the past decade, had his new releases didn’t sound like an old man shaking his fist at the youth. And right before that, gen xers/millennials were whining about a made up scenario of gen z trying to ‘cancel’ Eminem. So that’s not going to appeal to a younger audience. Beyoncé and Taylor swift have been able to maintain relevancy by not disrespecting younger audiences. And although they’re not current main pop girls, Gen z is also pretty well receptive of Mariah, britney and Kesha.
Rock is not very forgiving either trust me. I’m a Bon Jovi fan and many fans they say should retire and I kind of agree their latest records have been subpar to what they did till the album have a nice day and Jon is really struggling with his voice.
Also Many fans of other hair metal or glam metal fans are asking their artists to retire, rock is a genre highly based on the frontman’s capabilities to sing in rock there is no razzle dazzle to cover up a bad voice. So rock it’s a crazy demanding genre which has made many loose their voices and fans asking them to retire and yet they don’t listen.
The please retire thing is not sexist and it’s not only in pop music, many rockers fans are asking for their bands to hang it up.
@@authentictalkpodcast I'm not sure rap is really ageist like that.
The biggest acts of Rap(Kendrick, Drake, JCole) are all around the age most expect him to retire.(late 30's about to be 40)
Legacy acts like Nas, Thought, etc. are all making critically acclaimed albums, 3K has teh hardcore fanbase yelling at him every year to release a album about being in his 50's.
Like when you actually look at the genre
If Katy Perry were to release a pop rock album, I think it would revive her popularity. Her voice suits pop rock very well and the sound would be a call back to One of the Boys, which I feel is better than people give it credit for.
I see that vision a bit
ooooh yes
I agree. "Hot and Cold"s vocals were pretty similar to it, and it was a hit in my opinion.
One of the things I love about Britney Spears is that she's not trying to force herself back in the industry after her conservatorship ended. And I don't get why so many millennials and gen x attack her and call her "crazy" or "jobless" cause like she's already rich asf, has been through a lot of sh1t that has traumatized her and is focusing more on putting her life back together again rather than going back to an industry that will probably ridicule her again like they always do
Period like she worked since she was 10 and now she's jobless when she has more money than all the haters combined? Please
@@JiafeiProducts6969 Fr though, they wouldn't stop hating on her istg 😭✋
I love Britney and respect her decision so much but that doesn’t mean I don’t miss her and a little sad she Is retiring for good.
Now maybe that’s much better than staying till everyone says please retire.
A lot of teens grew up, but never outgrew the 2000s mentality of shaming other women for ANYTHING.
I'm a millenial and I made fun of Britney when I was young. I stopped and felt bad when Amy Winehouse died and I realize it was all in poor taste. I had a co-worker who called Spears crazy b/c she's playing with knives on social media for fun, saying that she was "crazy" and I'm like "She's living her own life. Leave her alone."
What I love about Beyoncé is that she keeps trying new sounds, new genres, she Loves to learn, she doesn't sticks to the same producers and writers, she doesn't let people to put her in a box, I think that shows when an artist loves their craft ❤
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Yep, she is always pushing her craft and experimenting
It’s because she just steals from everybody.
Idk she doesn’t really sing sing anymore, and hasn’t for a long ass while…she talks/raps sings and that’s all she does now😅 she tryna get into the rhythm of sing singing again but it doesn’t hit the same as it used to
@@SideEyeee_ what makes you say that
I watching Taylor swift’s documentary miss Americans and I think she perfectly describes what happened to these artists, they got stuck at the age they became famous
In a year where Charli Xcx, Chappell Roan, Sabrina Carpenter are charting very very well and becoming internet icons, Woman’s World just does not cut it. The tweet about people not wanting fun songs is so wrong when the most talked about music currently is campy, wild, and full of each artists personality.
People don’t want fun songs though. We moved on
@@cupcakKe_express except like I said the most charting songs and collective internet freaking love Brat by Charli, Good Luck Babe, and Espresso/Please Please Please all fun pop that showcase each individual artist. People still want fun music but they also want personality and an “it” factor that is completely missing from Katy’s new song. Woman’s World feels like any other artist could’ve made (and in some regards already have) but no one could replicate Charli, Chappell, or Sabrina’s style.
@@cupcakKe_express but y'all like espresso, that doesnt add up
Speak for yourself
@@cupcakKe_express says you. katy perry just sucks these days. cope
"Sometimes smusic isn't music-ing the way that the music used to music" SLAY DOWN THE HOUSE BOOOOOOTS
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Please stop the age shaming!!! It’s not about the age! We need to fight ageism!
Watching the video, I think the biggest problem here is something that's been plaguing the entire entertainment industry for so long. They need to stop making the main target 18-30 year olds and create target markets for people before and beyond that age range. Artists, actors, etc need to stop being pressured to mold and modify their work and image to appeal to young people (not even going into the issues of global audience marketing) and young people need to be able to have their own tween/teen/new culture separate from everyone else. This way everyone can have the space and room to grow or maintain within their respective areas without the hogging of spotlight or ageist prejudices. That and please let artists just focus solely on the music again.
Oooo this may be the solution! The industry always chasing youth vs. seeing value in other demographics . I like how you thinkkk
I'm an electronic producer, arranger, and musician at 58 years of age. You should be maturing as an artist and not be held to convention or norms. A true artist wants to be true to themselves. I liken this to painting, new ideas need to be introduced. I couldn't possibly cater to 18 to 30 year olds because I'm interested in creating art and saying what's inside me not having someone else's voice but my own. The best work starts with an idea then goes in a direction you never thought which is artistry. I love the independent movement of music right now.
I agree! When I was a kid in the 90s-2000s we had Britney Spears, Backstreet Boyz, *NSYNC, Blaque, etc. Then my mom was playing oldskool R&B. There was something for everybody back then.
I honestly disagree that the main target is 18-30 I’d say it’s more 13-25 as now they’re pushing more towards TikTok and they’re the ones they’re trying to attract to buy and stream the music. Because if it was 18-30 lady Gaga, Katy and Nicki would be top 10 frequently as 75-80% of their fan base are in between 18-30 where as in the 13-25 demographic it’s more 35%-50% ( Nicki on the higher end of this) of their fanbase, which is why they aren’t marketed as well because most of the 13-25 demographic sees these artists as old where they see artists like Ariana grande( who will probably will be in the same situation 5-10 years from now), Olivia Rodrigo and SZA as more appealing to the 2nd half of Gen Z and Gen Alpha
I think ageism is key here but so is internalized ageism, as I think you get at here too. Considering how much the attention economy has accelerated in recent years (I hope I used the term correctly), I think learning how to grow and grow gracefully into older age within the entertainment industry feels like an increasingly foreign and scary idea for anyone who has experienced a certain level of fame.
imma say this I do notice its usually women who are told that they need 2 throw in the towel or give up their seat which i think is bs. It is up to no one else but that person to retire especially when they are not fifty. I remember when i was a kid seeing ads for Aretha Franklin concerts and I was in awe that a woman who first song came out in 1964 was still performing in 2002.
Having said all of that i feel if you are a legacy act or part of an older group of performers then you should just make music for your fans not the general public. The reason diana ross, cher, cyndi, Pearl jam, Rolling stones, even madonna still can pull crowds is they perform for their fans not the general public.
On the topic of aging and becoming a "hasbeen"
I think Madonna is a great example of artistic resilience. Ever since 2008 she's been called all sorts of things by the media for working with younger singers/producers. Yet so, she had the biggest tour ever made by a solo artist for years, her mdna tour was the biggest of 2012, even when her next album leaked it still managed to sell well + have a successful tour. Even when she did a less mainstream album with madame X, she was still hitting it. And she just had one of the biggest shows ever made by a solo artist in rio. It's insane how consistent she is for a singer who debuted in 80s, specially a woman (I know her race plays a part in it but even so, not many can say they have a similar career). She is a great artist but she's also an insane bussinesswoman.
Facts! I love how Madonna handles her career!
Madonna is a legacy act. She hasn't had a number one song in a long time and her albums don't go number one when she does release.
@@saintkevinofficial Well no one can stay at #1 forever! Becoming a legacy act is a musician’s dream! You still get to live your dream career for the rest of your life with a overly committed fan base that supports you no matter what, , that’s the jack pot lol
@@DeliciouslyFierceMedia no offense, but that mindset goes to show why our generation is cooked. Everyone is okay with extremely mediocre output. "As long as they're trying". Lmaooooo. We grew up on amazing music and access to legends. Wtf is happening here...
@@saintkevinofficial I think your misunderstanding my comment & Im GenX I grew up watching legends like Michael Jackson, Prince, Janet Jackson , & through my parents who are Boomers , I got introduced to other legends such as James Brown , Rick James , Patti Labelle, Chaka khan, & many more, I grew up watching some of the most talented, if you wasn’t alive when Madonna was in her prime , you would t get it, she wasn’t the best dancer or vocalist but she had star quality, which is a gift in itself … I don’t know what generation you are a part of , & I’m not here to trash anyone else’s generation because every Gen has its good & bad, but I grew up experiencing some of the best
I think if someone wants to continue making music they should. If people want to stop listening they can. Telling artists to stop because they are older and no longer making music you like seems ageist. People don't stop being creative artists just because they are older or no longer popular.
That says to artists that they are only valid as long as they are young and popular. And in that sense, most artists in the world would have to quit.
Yea artists can continue making music if they are only doing music purely based on passion they should continue but if they care about commercial success and making money how the general public views them is important and considering being a musician is their source of income I think they care about the latter
I can think of more than a couple of artists that do music even if most people aren't going to listen because they love to. That's it. They do it either for themselves or for the fans but aren't pushy about it and stay in their lane. They keep doing it well into their 70's and beyond. But if the artists go "look at me, look at me, look at me" towards the general public and they create something that's obviously recycled, plain bad or tone deaf, and later, when the general public does look their way they get called out for that, then it's on them. Both the internet and the music industry are far and wide you can perfectly put music out or videos and not a soul that isn't already your fan would know. But if you want public attention and praise you need to be prepared for public judgement. I think most people aren't opposed to them continuing to create and to evolve but are opposed to the nonsense and to see their faves become a parody of what they once were. Artists that are unnecessarily controversial or inarguably bad people are a different thing because people are lining up decades in advance to see their careers die (the point being that you just can't afford to be controversial if you don't have the music to back it up, because people will be waiting to see you slip and when you slip it's game over). But generally speaking well liked celebrities can continue being celebrities forever as long as they manage themselves, because people don't like to see things they love "die" particularly in humiliating ways, as it sours all the good memories. So in short no, it isn't ageist. Particularly because just as being young doesn't guarantee neither success nor respect, age doesn't (and shouldn't) do that either. Age does afford them a level of grace most younger artists never get to receive. The music industry (on the commercial side) is hyper competitive in nature, every release could be the last, if they want to stay there they either swim or they drown like everyone else. There are more peaceful waters for those that aren't into that lifestyle anymore, but that place is most definitely not in the eye of the masses.
@@sofia_c_1 but wouldn't you consider these artists that continue making music already established so they have status and money and even with that being true imo its a bad financial mistake to invest in making quality music considering the costs of things like production so I think artists who genuinely have a passion and want an outlet to make music should just "create" music without actually releasing it because it's a waste of time and money
At a certain point satire is no longer satire and crosses reality. Like remember the movie Cuties.. a movie that attempted to make commentary on how kids are sexualized and ended up using real kid actors which defeats the purpose because they were perpetuating that same abuse they were trying to make a statement about.. that's Katy... But then again I can't think very highly of someone who didn't know that math is related to science ....
yes that is a good example, I remember the discussion around cuties and the uproar that rightfully came from it
@@crystalcastillo7575 cuties makes us all uncomfortable for our complicity but doesn’t sexualize the girls who are trying to sexualize themselves. Just my opinion but I do take my feminism and personal experience of csa seriously as an activist and scholar of feminism, imperialism, and sexual violence not just trying to say no you’re wrong but add a point. For Harriet discussed Cuties if you want a Harvard grad black feminist lecture breakdown. Some media literacy got lost in the righteous anger over children in the film industry. All children’s acting in media should get this same treatment of not watching if the kids exploitation is the issue. Just in the same way I don’t have to change cuz my creepy uncle comes over the actors didn’t have to dress and move conservatively to not be sexualized. The camera does not frame and linger or move over the children’s bodies. It’s not supposed to be satire at all but a drama about what we, brown girls, go through and trying to be sexual objects is being depicted. Movies about our nuanced lives are important and it was sad to see such a film be smeared from people willing to cancel a black women’s work over discomfort and a seeming aversion to feminist media literacy outside of the hot takes. I didn’t see any connection to Katy Perry putting out a women’s anthem with a rapist
Katy letting her political side slip out makes this worse imo. From her own background she tried to get into the industry via gospel but failed. She's a white, female conservative.
On that I disagree, people do change, I was raised catholic, went to a catholic school for 12 years, but I dont even believe in most parts of the Bible now and I like numetal songs that may not be that holy, not just cause u were raised a certain way it means thats all u are ever gonna be, it depends on each person but just because of that u cant judge a person or their character, not talking just about Katy but in general, I see a lot of people making that argument that if u were raised in certain religion or political views thats all u ever gonna be, as if people did not change, Im nothing like I was even one or two years ago, more even a decade ago, so I find that argument a little weak tbh
I know Lady Gaga is releasing an album but she’s so original and authentic, her music is so versatile and she always stays true to herself!
@@Glitchh101 she stole it . Her whole persona.
tbh nicki minaj and eninem have done well to stay relevant and chart like especially nicki bc them barbz are crazy 😭
If you live long enough you’re going to get old people! It’s not time to put people out to pasture because they turn 40 or 50! Just wait until your favorite artist get old. If they still have something to offer their real fans will still be there.
It’s not that they’re aging…. It’s that they’re refurbishing their golden era instead of maturing artistically, like Tina Turner & Cher👌🏽
Exactly. The youth of today can laugh at "old" women and say how they should "retire" (which is code for disappear). Eventually, the ageism that some of them happily engage in will be turned on then. Instead of telling women they should evolve, I would like to see our culture evolve and stop pushing youth culture as the standard.
Christina Aguilera hung it up after Lotus in 2012. She now tours amphitheaters, releases albums with basically no commercial appeal cause shes tired of the game and pressure and probably knowing shes not reaching any of her heyday eras. "Liberation" was extemely anti commercial and seemed to be more experimental, "AGUILERA" her Spanish album was releaded in 3 EPs trying to prolongue the era's longevity and has traditional Mexican music and guaracha, only one song had radio appeal. And she's doing Vegas as a legacy act. She knows she's past her prime and would never try to do anything embarrassing (YET) 😅 ... She's cashing in the bucks and living life with barely any releases and is just doing it for the fun at festivals (where surprisingly she's attending a lot). The marketing of these events basically summarize her accolades in the 2000s and her demo target i see on these shows are mostly millenials and 40+ ... She's doing pretty good if you asked me.
Exactly and that's without mentioning how often she was being compared to Britney Spears ever since she debuted on the late 90s. Even on interviews, people still ask her about Britney as if they want to hear Christina say something bad about her so fans and people in general would bash her.
When I think of timeless musicians, I think Sade has perfected her craft - artistically and aesthetically. Always fresh, never a gimmick, talented. One of the blueprints. I think it comes down to originality and talent.
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And the way that Katy was actually called on as a witness in the court case ... Yeah it's not like she didn't know what happened to Kesha . She just didn't care.
Remember when she defended Ellen from the numerous allegations of her employees saying Ellen did workplace abuse by saying .. "well it didn't happen to me & Ellen has only been kind to me" (and no I'm not even kidding Google it) .. of course she doesn't care.
Just shows the type of person she is. And why give money to someone who actively works against women and worms with r words ...
It’s possible she signed NDA and in exchanged she gets her money for not saying anything bad against her label and Luke
@@dgk6661she still should drop him as someone working on her music and music videos
She was not just a witness but also an exhibit used by kesha’s party. Since there was a conversation that suggested her involvement in the case wherefore she was likewise r worded by him. She just told them no and still supports Kesha and gaga (whose in the convo) even to this day.
You are half right, Katy does not care but not only to things that happens to others but also to herself, Ellen was extremely rude to her and mocked her during her Witness interview, Katy was one of the worst treated celebs that went to that show, also some years ago it got viral and interview Katy had when she was very new like around 23 and Howard Stern verbally s****** abused her and that video I think is still on here on YT, people on twitter were defending Katy like crazy but she did not say a word about it, thats an old interview, and she did not go back to his show since then, but after that went viral on twitter like a year of two after Katy even during the pandemic had a virtual interview with Howard Stern! and not only that she said that he is friends with Orlando, her fiance wtf, I know more examples but I tbh think that she does not even respect herself and I have no idea why she is that way, she also often seek for validation from people who were awful to her and she rewards them and goes to their shows or invites them to private stuff etc, I honestly dont get it
I saw Janet Jackson recently at the Hershey Park Stadium in PA, and she had performed songs from her most recent album that came out in 2023. The reason why I believe Janet is still in her prime, is because she keeps that same sound that she's worked with and always changes it up. She's kept it classy and doesn't try to remake music that got her recognition in the first place. I love listening to her new album, and she was amazing during the concert
I LOVE her but she’s not in her prime her prime was from 1987 to 2005.
My mom went to the concert and said it was a great show!!
Janet's most recent album was not released in 2023. Her most recent LP was 'Unbreakable' in 2015.
@@coreyo.conner7897 She has a new album that came out in 2023 called "Discipline"
@@SideEyeee_ I'd say that she's not in her prime as in topping charts, I mean as in continuing to make music and keeping that unique sound that she changes up!
I mean if an artist enjoys music I don’t see why they have to stop just because they got older. Y’all act like once an artist gets older their fans just disappear….
That’s why I don’t love how the conversation is usually centered around age
Sure. If they're growing as an artist but as for people like Katy Perry you can clearly see that its a cash grab from those fans. When you get older and become just like an industry becan a lot of them don't try to improve because they still think its 2012 or they try new stuff but it comes off as fake and attempting to be something they aren't. *cough Drake *cough. The man is almost 40 with a kid talking about whan gwan Delilah and Instagram models. No growth. They can continue for sure that their choice but if they don't grow with the industry and themselves their fans are going to turn on them. At the end of the day even the stans have to admit its bad and then the legacy they've built up will be a meme and a joke. Theres also the conversation of blocking youger artist which is something Drake, Nicki, and even Taylor Swift has done. Taylor isn't even old but already has a complex with younger artists. A some good examples of still doing well as someone said was Bjork and Beyonce. Grew with the indurstry while staying true to their aristry.
Yea if they are only doing music based on passion they should continue but if they care about commercial success and making money how the general public views them is important
@Des17S Yeah, that's the problem with these pip stars and rappers (Katy Perry, Nicki Minaj, Emniem, etc.). They just agr but, there's no growth, and ppl no longer want to put up w/ that in these ppl's old ages.
It's like the stand up comics who have fresh material every album vs those who have been telling the same stories over and over. It's not about age, it's about growth! Keep growing, keep creating! ❤ your videos, Camryn.
I agree Nicki should go on a hiatus and then drop a banger like queen
Nicki Minaj is definitely not going anywhere. Still the highest selling female rapper in 2024.
Facts!
I feel like we need to normalise retirement, and by that I don't mean "you're old, go retire", but I mean "hey, it's obvious that you're not really feeling this anymore, maybe it's time to retire".
I feel like a lot of these artists kinda have a bad perception of retirement so they just try to make as much music as possible to keep the business going, which is ironic cause if ANYBODY can just choose to retire one day its them, they have the money to live comfortably so why the hell not.
Also this might just be me but I feel like there's a beauty is retirement and life post-job that isn't talked about. Like you did everything you could do in your life and that's amazing, and now you have time to rest. That's sounds awesome if you ask me.
Katy has always sucked at reading the room. Also, creatively, your time doesn't 'run out', but commercially, it does, and the people are starting to see who is a creative and who is a commercial product.
Tinashe is definitely forming the sound of the 2020’s she will be one of the top artists in a couple years just wait 💯🙌🏾
I agree!!!
She’s NOT. Most of the general public don’t know her. Nobody is forming the 2020’s sound. Most of the artists of today aren’t that talented.
There is no 2020s sound cuz everyone is sampling in their music now and pulling inspo from 80s 90s and early 2000s music.
@@SideEyeee_ yep
I feel like ppl have been saying this about her since the 2010's she's reached her peak already
I think when some popstars age they try so hard to be young and cool that it comes off cringe. Which is alienating to their dedicated fans and turns off new fans as well.
Couldn’t agreed more Madonna comes to my mind
"The satire wasn't satiring"... well put.👏👏👏
Nicki just had a successful sold put out tour!
I definitely think Nicki and Em still have it. They are both way more talented than Katy and J. Lo
@tiphanieseantay958 So what??? If your time is up, it just is. All this beefing with the younger girlies will not make you age well.
@@DallasChick79I think that was what the comment basically meant her time isn’t up even though she’s going up against the new girls. Regardless she’s sold 200k first week compared to the new girls that aren’t even selling past 70k except for Doja Cat. I think there is something to be said about how because her music does still have that “it” factor so much that it supersedes her behavior.
Katy really said that Mariah Carey? If so, I bet wishes she could take that back.
Yeah she did😳
The issue with Katy is she is constantly ignoring where she shines. She CAN write witty lyrics and tell great stories. Her debut really introduced us to her and we've not seen that Katy ever since.
I always look to "Thinking of You" as a reference, a mid temp pop rock ballad where she sings with so much soul, you feel it in your bones. It's her most powerful song in her discography and severely underrated. After every listen I'm feeling a little crushed, and EVERYONE can relate to it's subject matter. She needs to drop the gimmicks and the theatrics, pick up her guitar and SING.
I think Katy needs a “Joanne” / “Folklore” moment in her career. She either need to explore new sounds and genres or come back to her roots (gospel and pop rock) to reinvent her career and her image towards the critics.
A pop rock/alternative rock album would be great. Something like Alanis Morisette’s Jagged Little Pill, Avril Lavigne’s Let Go & Kelly Clarkson’s Breakaway. Katy has a voice suited to this genre and honestly, we really need a pop rock hit!
An acoustic album is also be great.
Or maybe come back to her roots and shock us with a Gospel album. Who knows, she might earn her first grammy with a gospel album.
Katy Perry’s album cover reminded me of planet her by doja cat sm…😫
I can see that fs!
I believe ageism against women in music is very very real, but it's slooowly starting to change. I mean Taylor for example is in her mid thirties and at her peak, meanwhile it used to be that pop stars "expired" at what, 25 or something? Kesha is coming back as well at 37. and now we have a 26 year old (Chappell roan) just now really breaking into the industry. It all doesn't sound like much, but it's a start.
I think the problem with Katy isn't so much her age, but who she is as a person. Her working with Dr Luke for example speaks volumes and makes the feminist message seem even more disingenuous than it already was. fans more and more want artists who they can connect to and relate to, which is why singer-songwriters are so big right now. They don't want commercial girl boss garbage made by 10 writers in a board room and produced by a known predator.
I think Katy Perry's problem is her being cringe, even in her younger days, she's one of those quirky, clumsy and childish people that were loved by all back in 2010s and her personality is reflecting on her music. Now all of those things are considered annoying, to say the least, especially to someone her age. Her attempt of that satirical music video screams "how do you do, fellow kids". People won't mind fun songs from her if she wasn't so immature about it. She's still trying to appeal to younger people but her fans were mostly millennials. It's not about her age, it's about her lack of maturity. And that Dr. Luke fiasco association sure didn't help.
the problem with her is thay she tries to appeal on gay club community..
I think after a certain time artist just need to accept that there not the young new thing any more . and instead of trying to cater to young kids that werent around during there prime they should just make music they enjoy or that there fans enjoy . Cuz unless your like a Beyoncé or Micheal or Madonna who constantly switches it up every album to keep your fans and younger fans intrested
Yeah, there’s this marketability pressure from the industry that youth sells. So, they continue to market to the demographic versus growing up with their core audience which is important
Janet's last album was so mature. It suited where she is in her life.
Lana Del Rey is an artist who has evolved. None of her albums sound exactly they same but she has a style and continues to evolve with it. People like her older music from her "Lizzy Grant" days but she's nearing 40 now. Her music isn't going to have the same themes and emotions that she had in her 20s. And she knows that, each of her albums shows a stage of growth and development. Maybe she isn't the biggest artists compared to her contemporaries but she does have a core fanbase. She's not trying to appeal to everyone because she already has a demographic.
@@dollz4ever all her songs do sound the same, she plays off the 50s aesthetic and being with older men.
@@dolphin8766her new song with Quavo is a mix of Trap music and country with the Lana vibe
I strongly disagree. All of her songs past Honeymoon/Lust For Life sound the exact same. Just boring woe is me ballads with piano. Like how many ballads can you have? It amazes me how she still has a career. Her peak was Ultraviolence. I don’t know why she decided to stop experimenting.
@@mindyourbusinessxoxo loud and wrong. 1) there’s nothing wrong with being a ballad singer 2) she has continued to experiment. Literally every album after ultraviolence are her most experimental
@@rogeliocruz3372 I’m correct. She’s boring and no amount of whining will change that.
Ballads all the time are boring and gives lack of range. Shes not even experimenting the same way she did before with Ultraviolence, her absolute best, and even Honeymoon. Every song nowadays is the same, depressed woe is me with a piano in the background. Where’s the growth? Where’s the experimentation? There’s none of that anymore - There’s a reason she’s not as popular as she once was and that’s because people have moved on.
It’s okay to be a fan but please try to keep the delusions to the minimum.
i think the gen z is well, opinionated about who they listen to or not, they will tell you why they don't like it and if enough people validate it, they think it is an actual concern and let's be honest generational gap is also a factor. a lot of rap songs from the early 2000s are just not aging well in there content of how they show women and violence.
Thing is as Gen Z we obviously can still enjoy songs and recognize that it was a different time. Problem would be if artist are still making or defending that music which shows no growth. People are like "Gen Z hates Eminem". I don't think Gen Z hates Eminem. They just acknowledge his old musics lyrics just were not okay. Eminem is a part of pop culture like look at "Stan culture". That's came from him. The hair cut where white boys were buzz cutting and dying it blonde was inspired by him and in terms of politics he's okay. I watched 8 mile. It was okay. So Gen Z doesn't hate him but millennials think that calling out his old lyrics for being abusive is...cancelling?
Honestly if anything the fandom is what Gen Z laughs at because it's a bunch of 30-40 year old people making cringe eaps about how "you don't nothing about this"😂. That's always going to get laughed at and it's always going to be funny. I'm sorry. In short I don't think Gen Z hates him as much as people think. I think the fans are really the ones driving the whole thing and being...dare is say cringe. We all know what happens when a fandom gets cringe. People start to not mess with the artist as well. End of rant.
@@Des17Sat the end of the day, I don't think Eminem gives two shits on his haters
@@mockingjay7720 oh definitely. I mean the dude has openly said he dosen't like his fans (which is valid) so he dosen't care and he can do what he wants but Rap fans are still gonna have their opinions.
@@Des17S He was sarcastic though. I personally don't know much about his past but I do think his comeback is a great one.
@@Romantic_Juliet It wasn't sarcasm. He talked about it multiple times and raps about it. He said a lot of his fans are obsessed weirdos which they are. He wasn't lying. You can be grateful for where you are at while acknowledging the truth that some of your fans aren't all there.
Finally, somebody is talking about this. I've been saying for the longest that newer artists can't have their moment in the spotlight because older artists refuse to go away! I also don't like how award shows make newer artist go up against seasoned artists for awards like how can a newby compete with taylor swift, Drake or Beyoncé artist who are already well established and have a fan base who's going to make sure they win everything!
Wow, I never thought about that. Second point you made about how they consistently put season artist against newer artists in categories! It almost leaves no room for them to win😭
@@CamrynSuzanne I saw an interview with Andre 3000 where he said he knew it was time to retire from music when he caught his self trying to keep up with the younger generation coming up behind him and he was not about to be one of those cringe adults who's trying to keep up with younger trends and lingo's. Cause eventually people will see it and call you old and outdated.
@@RamboQuellzAndre just doesn't want to rap anymore as a solo act ... He's been like this since Love Below 20 yrs ago... Yet he's arguably still the BEST feature rapper around when he puts his mind to it. See his feature on Kanye Life of the Party - one of the most mature & reflective raps about aging family & loss in time. He's still capable of a stellar verse & good rap can still come veteran acts in 40s & 50s. James Brown was dropping classics in his 40s & 50s. Same for Aretha
im sorry but that is bs. I mean what do you all want to happen. A law gets passed that an entertainer has to retire at 50?? When britney and christina and all the blonde singers came out in 1998 Janet, madonna ,and whitney were still putting out his songs. Britney and christina proved they could compete and everyone else fell by the way side.
a lot of yall dont even support these new artist whose songs cna barely crack the top 40
@devanshepard9118 this isn't 1998 when the industry machine was PICKING who gets to be a star and remain a star.
I know there's no such thing as retirement in music, but I agree, these guys gotta know when to call it quits and hang it up, flatscreen!
Hang it up, flatscreen!!!😂 yeah it truly isn’t a retirement and music, but I think, for the sake of some of these artist legacies , sometimes it’s probably best to fade into the background
im sorry but if someone loves music why do they need 2 retire???? When I was a kid aretha franklin but out a rose is still a rose back in 1998 (i think). The fact she came out in 1963 but was still putting out music in the 90s was loooked at as an accomplishment.
If aretha was to do that today I feel people would clown her and tell her to retire . if someone loves making music they have the right to still make it. Yall saying its time to hang it up but these artist like beyonce, eminem even taylor still go top ten and can sell out a tour.
@devanshepard9118 agreed!
Why would these artists retire if there are still so many people who love listening to these artists.
Plus nowadays with streaming, you could just ignore any artist you don't want to listen to.
@@devanshepard9118Exactly, and shout out to Lauryn Hill for writting thah brautiful song
@@jellytwins1018 yep
Nicki is fine she is like that she don’t need to hiatus she already did that leave Nicki out of it. Nicki’s current era is dominating and her next era will be massive.
I would love if you made a video that dives deeper into how Justin ruined Janet’s career, and if you could, analyze the differences between how men and women are perceived in the music industry, even diving deeper into the intersectionality of race, sexuality, etc. I would honestly live for that. You always provide amazing nuance to your videos.
I will take notes!!! That would be an interesting video
Justin didn't ruin Janet's career by doing planned choreography. Please look up who Les Moonves is.
thank god for artists like beyoncé and kylie. constantly evolving, hungry for evolution, never stagnant, always looking towards the future.
28:07 i feel this with missy elliot so much. Shes been teasing or vocalizing wanting to release an album for years. But im sure she's holding off for many reasons including this. There must be some kind of fear worryiny if their sound will be modern and connect with audiences. Thank god shes at least doing features. Flyana collaboration was lit.
Her collab with FLO😍
I don’t think it is necessarily age. I really think it’s more about releasing authentic music that speaks to people and shows growth and maturity.
i think adele applies to this
Let’s Be Honest! Many of the new Rappers, Pop and R&B stars are underperforming. They can barley sell a single, tours are flopping if not non existant, they go from IG/Tic Tok Reels to Rolling Loud/ Vmas Stages with zero preparation, and their albums go about 2x paper plates.
So they want older established act, icons & ledgends like Beyonce, Rihanna, Katy, Taylor, Nicki, Drake, Eminem and Kendrick to “go away/retire” so that their new lack luster favs dont look like complete flops. 🤭
@popkultureguru1596 in terms of female rap. You are absolutely right when you look at the root of the hate nicki is getting, it's because she is successful. A huge fan base filled with different age groups and her music appeals to millions of ppl. Which is why no matter what she does will be taken out of context to try cancel her.
Girl don't defend your faves with no basis in truth gen z isn't stupid so though many young artists are struggling so are the old ones as clearly displayed in the video so our thought process online is as simple as critiquing a drop in quality in established artists which we also do for new talent so no we're not unfairly trying to propel lackluster artists
sexxy red 😂 prime example of what ur talking about!
ive been thinking about this topic for a while. honestly i think that some veterans in the industry have a hard time transitioning to a new audience with their music whilst trying to please their fanbases. i could only think of a few artists who has done this well tbh.
Would you consider Rihanna as having "hung it up"? Or rather she just changed careers from music to being an entrepreneur?
I honestly would.
@@user-re8vc5dq4g I think she was abused by some in the industry, and got out when she could. I'd rather have her in the world as a private citizen and entrepreneur than as another casualty of the music industry.
I hope everyone is doing well. Our world is crazy. Thats all im gonna say.
Thanks for your good wishes. I agree with you. Hope you're also doing well. 💗
Honestly, I think that this whole thing with ageism is what's causing the music from nowadays to be low quality. Because the music industry nowadays is caring more about promoting young artists that are stars on the rising than giving credit to the artists that have been in the music business for more than 10 years to establish themselves as icons and legends, it feels like the message that the industry is trying to convey is the old cliché of: "The younger and prettier you are, more success you will have".
Therefore, this is why I have noticed that the artists from nowadays are more about having a good artistic image and branding rather than making good music, which is why people are so nostalgic when it comes to thinking about how the 80s, 90s, 2000s and early 2010s were the epitome of Pop Culture.
Also, since nostalgia has become a thing in recent years, I couldn't help but notice that when the music from nowadays is not low quality, some of the music is too reminiscent of past decades, to the point that is more like a carbon copy of the music from the past.
So going back to the whole branding and artistic image, with nostalgia being a trend, when I see how some artists look like when it comes to their wardrobe and overall artistic image, I think right away of artists from past decades. For example: With Tate McRae, her looks, live performances, and even her voice are too reminiscent of Britney Spears, which is why despite getting praised for being one of the young artists from nowadays that is bringing back the vibe of "the female popstar who dances her heart out on stage", she is also getting criticized for her aesthetic, branding and artistic image being too reminiscent of Britney, to the point that it is almost like a copycat and therefore, it doesn't come out as authentic due to the lack of creativity and originality.
With this being said, I couldn't help asking myself: if nostalgia has become the trend for music nowadays, where do they leave the artists that paved the way for this young generation of so-called artists? No wonder the music industry has gone downhill with the whole ageism and young artists ripping off the looks and music from past decades.
I still think young artists should get their time to shine because the older one has had theirs and there's nothing wrong with shining the spotlight on some new talent because older artists have gained their status
@@user-ph9cf9cu7c Don’t get me wrong, I also believe that there is room for everyone to shine in the music industry. What I'm trying to say is that I don't like how ageism is making it seem that artists such as Janet Jackson, Mariah Carey, Madonna, Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera are irrelevant nowadays when these artists are some of the reasons why artists such as Normani, Tate McRae, Tyla, Sabrina Carpenter, among others exist on the first place.
An example of a band that's Decades past their prime is The Pretenders. Chrissy Hyde is making fantastic music with her band and she is over 70. She even tours. Refreshingly, her band does not try to be what they were. They have continued their journey whether they are in the spotlight or not.
If Nicki and Katy give up now then they didn’t learn from prior legends like Cher, Diana, Janet and Madonna. I love when entertainers keep working even if they don’t have the same success in their prime.
Let support artists like Victoria, tinashe, kehlani, josh Levi, lucky day, FLO, normani, tems, ayra, tyla, rema, Olivia Rodrigo, the kid laroi, Sabrina carpenter, Tate McRae, Tommy rich man, central cee, Jt, Glorilla, muni long and more current artists that are having a moment and are actually talented
And kpop artists
Some Great great artists listed
Also 😂😂 khloe and Hailey definitely
@@CamrynSuzannefr they all deserve their flowers
JID too
Katy thought what every YT person thinks: that they can get away with a bad attitude if they make money out of it. she really thought "yes i'm working with criminals but if this song make 10 million streams in the first day of release everybody will shut up about it" lol
@@Gabriel-ud5hu you literally described the whole hip hop industry. But no, you have to find a way to attribute an industry problem to the color of her skin smh
Saying it’s a feminist song while working with an abuser. Like girl please…
beyoncé’s longevity and continuous artistic evolution fascinates me.
2011: 4, women empowerment, motherhood, glastonbury, r&b in a time of edm, addressing miscarriages, ownership and control over her career, building a company, etc
2013: self titled visual album, super bowl, world tour, themes of liberation, sex, independence, alt pop exploration, reinvention, leadership
2016: superbowl, lemonade, film, world stadium tour, themes of loss, anger, grief, denial, apathy, healing, reconciliation, multi genre exploration highlighting everything from infidelity to police brutality
2018: beychella, world stadium tour, everything is love, homecoming, showcasing hbcu culture, addressing black folks influence on the world, dealing with pregnancy complications, hiring black creatives, etc
2019/20: savage, lion king, the gift, black is king, showcasing global black creatives and artforms, paying homage to african roots and stories
2022/23: renaissance, world stadium tour, paying homage to queer black pioneers, highlighting trans folk, experimentation with house, dance, and ballroom music, themes of self love, acceptance, romance, yearning
2024/25: cowboy carter paying homage to the black roots of americana/folk/country music and cowboy aesthetics, addressing everything from slavery to infidelity to substance abuse to hypocrisy to mother’s guilt etc
2026: an album paying homage to rock/blues/jazz music’s black pioneers
“How can we include Nicki Minaj?”
I don’t think Nicki belongs to this narrative considering the success of her last album and her continued success of her world tour.
agreed.
They've been telling Nicki fell off since 2018. And every year she breaks some new record😂
@@gomoestas I know, right? I don’t know what alternate universe people keep referring to where she’s flopping. She’s been selling out stadiums and for some reason she’s placed at the same level as JLo who in all respects is truly having a flop era. I simply don’t understand. Granted, her choices are not everyone’s cup of tea but is she washed up? Hardly.
I fully believe artists lose the drive & fire that made their music great, once they've been rich, famous & out of touch with reality for too long.
The only difference is that some manage to keep that sauce way longer than others...
Agree! I’ve been seeing this in so many my favorite bands/artists. It’s sad but it’s true
i love your topic selection. You always pic such interesting and relevant topics and clearly have so much passion. the production value is insane and the research is always so thorough. love love love your videos
Thanks girl!!🩷🩷🩷
This was excatly the case for sia in a different situation , she got cancelled due to the autistic movie she released in 2020 and uptill today since then her albums have been floping , people on the Internet can ruin an artist career easily
Oh wow I think i remember that situation
@@CamrynSuzanne yh the backlash was so much she had to delete her social media account on Twitter and relapsed after being sober for about 15yrs I think , now she has regained some of her fans but others are still not over it
If you're an artist in this situation, the thing that you need to understand is that you will have a commercial peak, and it will pass. At that point, chasing numbers doesn't work because you're going up against people in your field with their ears more to the ground in terms of what sounds, styles and musical flourishes are pppular, and because they're from that generation, they know organically.
Yeah, I think this is a good way to put it. A commercial peak lasts for so long. I think you can still have a fruitful career w/o chasing trends at a certain point
SO TRUE, everyone is always crimal for somthing or hated by some group, you can never make everyone happy.
Nicki Minaj still makes good music, but you guys aren’t giving this same treatment to beyonce telling her to hang it up and she’s even older than nicki, but I digress
She DOESN’T. And you can’t compare Beyoncé to Pedonika. Beyoncé even if she’s evil, she’s TALENTED. Pedonika is just EVIL.
She gave you a mature, personal album and you called it boring. You are just haters and it's too bad the name calling ain't gonna make her go away
@@SideEyeee_ such a biased answer
@@SideEyeee_ isn't Beyonce Married to Jay z who visited Epstein Island numerous times?? Wasn't Jay z sleeping with underage Aaliyah and Foxxy Brown? The same Jayz who shaded her in a song he made with Beyonce saying "you only wear Burberry to swim"?
@@SideEyeee_ Nicki was never imprisoned or tried nor accused of being a Pedo though😂
I really enjoyed the way you talked about everything, how informed you are, and how how respectfully you expressed your opinion. Thank you
Thank youu!🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Just found your channel… Watched A LOT of your vids and ma’am… You are here SPILLING FACTS!
Keep up the good work 💜
Thank you so much!!🩷🩷
Issa good day when Camryn drops
Happy fridayyy🥰🩷
2:35 Megan Thee Stallion: "B your time's up, why is you not clocking out?" 😄
she thought she was doing what doja cat did with woman and it fell short. maybe it is time to pack it up
Uh, no. Doja definitely wasn’t the inspiration for that.
@@SideEyeee_ i didn’t say it was. i said she was going for the same effect (woman being a song that is about women empowerment) but in katys case it missed the mark because nobody is interested in 2014 girl boss feminism
Crazy how K.P Gospel album sold 200 copies but when she shows some body parts and say "I kissed a girl" that becomes 1M copies. Hmm
@@mikestahl2112 sex sells! sad but true
Well, apparently she got a big record deal that included a certain image and a certain producer.
But babes ,how can we even say Nicki is past her time when she's running female rap in 2024 better than the girls 😂😂❤
Who snuck a garb in here?! 😂
And Quoting her too😂 Nicki haters are mad she's still thriving
She's not, objectively not. Now ofc you say that because she has a Queen appeal and her fans will condone everything she does, but in the reality we live in she's not running rap anymore
@@JiafeiProducts6969 Name one female rapper that has outdone her you can't. Who is outdoing her in numbers??? Speak quickly
@@JiafeiProducts6969 How is she "not running" the rap game anymore? What sources, with actual numbers, are you using to back up this statement? No one is doing better than her--in any sense of the genre. She's undeniably still running the game.
Are you ganna leave CZcams when people say you have over stay your time or too old? Music is there job
Janet Jackson just sold out at the O2 in London and they had to add another date in. I think she's fine. Shakira's killing it. Kylie Minogue is still doing the thing. Björk's still at it. It might be that pop culture (especially in America) is ageist. It's also the fact that the music industry and how you make money has changed tremendously over the past 20 years.
I saw her a few weeks ago! She was great!
I'm tired of Chris Brown
I've found it pretty strange that the music that shaped my teens through my 20s are still acts today making the same type of music.
To put it in perspective, I just saw a leg of my favorite punk band's fairwell tour... They've been together 40+ years.
I'm not saying it's bad, it's just strange. My son likes Eminem. I did too when I was his age (Still do). That was not the case with nearly any of my parent's music I liked.
I mean, The Beatles were only together for 7 years before they bowed out as a group and went solo creatively.
It would be nice to see them still create but maybe not still chasing what they're known for.
Anyway, long old man rant... Thanks for the video!
So...racism, sexism, homophobia bad, but ageism good...
Have to admit I was getting the same vibes…
@@happyfamily1298because yall are dense
Here yall go 😂
@@KAye633I find it interesting (in both a positive and at times a negative way) how seriously people take things. I think it is a stage each generation moves through as they develop, fair enough. It is also fascinating seeing how social media and internet have played into what that looks like now vs just a generation back. No need for resorting to negativity against a random commenter on a YT video 😂
The song being so bad and her working with dr luke is a double homicide
Artists are not in it just for their "prime" years. They want to keep doing what they're doing. It doesn't matter that much if others don't like it.
@@FC-hj9ub
Exactly. Most of artists see music as their creative outlet, their release from stress, and they do it for themselves. It's up to us if we want to enjoy it.
I feel like an artist should retire when the quality of their work starts to get bad and when it starts to ruin their legacy. For example Kanye.. known for being instrumental in pushing the rap genre forward but is now known for putting a string of subpar work. I think it's cool to hear people talk about their experiences as an older person but if a person is still rapping or singing about the same things they did when they were 20 (DRAKE ) Then maybe they should consider packing it up.
Another example could be Nicki who has cemented herself as being the best or one of the best rappers of all time yet with her recent antics (like marrying a s3x offender, harassing the victim, getting into beefs with the younger girls etc )in these past few years is ruining her legacy.
People should know when to quit...
Kanye is a really good example of this
I wholeheartedly agree! Thank you!💯
Nah not Nicki she needs to stay relevant she knows how to reinvent herself cause nobody’s telling Beyoncé or Rihanna to retire
Facts! There’s no one who was tweaking/glitching like her on stage. She came out with a whole brand and so many fun alter ego’s. She will never fall off.
Rihanna wasn’t great and Nicki either. Beyoncé shouldn’t be in the same conversation. She’s actually talents even if she’s a thief and evil.
@@SiabeysmentShe will.
Adding the message of the entire video, I want to add this note. No one can stop anyone from creating art. If it ain't your cup, don't sip it. Do what you love. Accept what you love.