@mtv-vevoRAYE is slept on and I don’t understand why, her album, her tour, her singles she had in the past. That young lady has IT!!! that’s a mystery that I still can’t figure out since based off in the caliber of work she’s put she should be a lot bigger
@mtv-vevo i commented something about this too! escapism was exactly what pop music needs and i really hope raye releases similar music. I just gave prada a listen and while it’s not something i see going viral in the usa, it does have a 2010s european club music kind of vibe. Not something i’d purposely put on though, while escapism is something i still like to listen to even a year later.
I need to just mention Raye, PinkPanthress, Renee Rapp, Spencer Southerland, Caroline Polachek, and Chappell Roan. They absolutely killed it last year with their debuts and Caroline Polachek was ABSOLUTELY ROBBED FOR BEST POP VOCAL ALBUM AT THE SCAMMYS.
No really!! Like easy to consume, tasty for a minute but afterwards you’re like “what’s next” or “i’m still hungry”. The girls ain’t feeding us no more!!
You forgot to mention a pretty big factor: nostalgia-bait, EVERYONE is using nostalgia and samples (that are sooo unnecessary) to sell, i read a tweet that said it's sad the newer generations are gonna grow without characteristic traits cause all they do is emulate and reference things that have been done before and it's so true 😕 we need someone that's not afraid to try to create new unseen things beyond “sex sells” and religious mockery for shock value
I really wanna do a video on nostalgia baiting and how it’s taking over. In music, heavily in movies! This is an excellent topic i’m more than willing to expand on in a video
@@CamrynSuzanne please do! It's a thing that has permeated all the culture, whether it's music or movies, the longing for “better, simpler times”, it's really interesting
I think another reason why we don’t idolize these pop artists as much today is just because times have changed. We have the world at our fingertips our attention spans have gotten shorter, there are constantly new shiny things to rave about, we’re not forced to consume what comes up on our tv. Things will never be the same as it was in the 2010s
You hit the nail on the head for real. I think that point alone is a huge reason as to why things will never fully be the same especially when it comes to pop, stardom and celebrities
I disagree the reason why people don't idolize these celebrities anymore is because we now how problematic a lot of these celebs are. In the past no one knew anything beyond the tabloids.
i kinda miss the time we were forced to listen or watch something tho. It let us discover many more artists and genres of songs. Some songs i wouldn't re-listen to it but i have to until i kinda like that song
Britney Spears and Michael Jackson are the two names that always enter my mind when I think of pop music, because them two were literally the definition of pop and two of the greatest of all time
Lana del Rey isn‘t exactly a popstar but her album Born To Die changed pop music. Her sound was so different and had a major influence on the genre. She‘s also still super popular despite her sound not catering to what‘s currently trendy.
Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Rihanna, Ariana Grande are some of the last pop giants really doing pop like no one. It's sad that it's fading away....😢
I feel like we lost a lot of the lore when social media dawned. Once we got to see more and more of our favorite celebrities and pop stars they became less of a fantasy. I feel that is why Beyonce is someone who people stick around for, she still gives us everything and she does not really have a social media presence. She maintained that lore and people cannot predict what she will give us next.
"pop stars became less of a fantasy". have you been living under a rock, and somehow never heard of Swifties? Social media has done the exact opposite of what you claim. Its exacerbated celebrity culture to new extremes - where people feel confident in expressing their delusions and absurd obsessions because they witness and/or join the many others online doing/feeling the same.
Sabrina Carpenter is definitely stardom material. Her voice, her songwriting, her personality, her style, HER MUSIC! Everything about her is Popstar worthy. I’ve known her since her Disney debut, I’ve listen to all her albums, and I’m so glad that people are finally recognizing her talent.
@@bodhisattva2348 Considering she’s been in the industry for nearly a decade now, she’s bound to have done a lot of reinventing of herself. In my opinion, she has evolved wonderfully, and so has her music. You might think you’ve seen it done before, but Sabrina’s uprising is certainly a special one. Despite how slow it might be, we’re still at the beginning of her career heightening. She’s bringing something new to the table that some people just don’t see yet.
Any person who says this about her is feeding of a parasocial relationship. I really tried to get into her stuff but tbh I highly doubt she would do music without the fame from Disney.
‘Future Nostalgia’ by Dua Lipa indeed marked the most recent notable moment in pop. Its critical acclaim and commercial success showcase its huge impact.
@@user-bc5mv2ot8k I'm a taylor fan but that album is not her best. Sure, Anti-hero became a radio hit but that's it. For me it seems like people barely remember that era since taylor herself moved on really quickly from it and kept on releasing re-recordings instead of promoting Midnights. However, Taylor was one of the most important figures in pop music in the past few years. Her re-recordings were all great successes and The Eras Tour was very memorable.
Back in 2010, my 80 years old grandma knew who Katy Perry, Beyonce, Brytney Spears and Lady Gaga were because the girlies were putting in the work. They were performing on live TV shows with large audience, doing radio interviews right, left and center (I'm from Europe). Nowadays she would have NO CLUE who Olivia Rodrigo or SZA are, even Dua Lipa and Harry Styles I fear. Even I, a very invested pop listener, can't name a single song of Bad Bunny or Sabrina Carpenter. Because the promo game has changed, and labels will not pay the money to get them performing accross the world anymore. It's all about having a moment on tiktok, and spotify playlisting. Very very few will reach a wide demographics and become pop icons now.
exactly this is the first time I’m hearing of the artist Tate and I haven’t seen Sabrina Carpenter since 2014 on Disney Channel I didn’t even know she made music! and IM 18 YEARS OLD. The pop scene definitely is not what it was when we were kids in the 2000s and 2010s
Im in my 20s and i dont even know a single song of this bad bunny guy, i only know him because i saw pics of him and kendal jenner on my insta explore page (i don't follow the kardashians tho, they just pop out randomly there). I am in Europe and artists like Sza don't really blow up here so yeah, i don't know her songs too. I check who wins the grammys every year and sadly i don't know most of these people, only their names, like victoria monet because she works with ariana grande. Dua was quite a huge artist and her future nostalgia really resonated with me (so as Positions) because it was my 'fall in love' era, yk, a covid relationship. But i don't think people in late 40s know dua's name. I really grieve pop and i don't think it can be saved, ariana did come back but her track wasn't that big of a bop and i think her album will be more like a beyonce's lemonade (her album revolves around the theme of sad events in her life, marriage breaking apart) than TUN or even Sweetener (which i really like because this is my aesthetic graal, i am stuck at nude colors era and forever will be. God, even Taylors albums seem more nieche now and she doesn't have as big songs as her 'i knew you were trouble' or 'wildest dreams', 'blank space'.
2012 was the last big shift that significantly altered how people listen to music, music became more accessible than ever, both to produce and to listen. Which devolved the dominance of pop and alternative music. These things can still find audiences (sometimes more then ever), but it's much easier to not hear about or engage with things if you don't want. And these shifts have been happening since the 90s with the birth of the internet and continue today.
I really feel like Dua Lipa has so much potential to become a true pop icon when we look back at the music of today. She's already had numerous huge hits like Levitating, Don't Start Now, One Kiss, New Rules, Cold Heart, even Dance The Night from Barbie. Her latest album 'Future Nostalgia' was a perfect pop album with strong 80s synth influence while still being very modern and I think that combination of eras of pop was a big part of it's success. I also think she has that strong sense of 'image' (from how she previews her music (being very mysterious about Houdini) to fans and how she exists on social media) that big pop artists had in the 2000s and 2010s but is sort of lacking in artist's now (besides my girl Olivia Rodrigo she has purple locked in). Also no shade to the Olivia's and Tate's of pop but I do sorta believe Dua's age (not that she's old by any means but she's 28 compared to Olivia/Tate who are literally 20) might play a role in this as her voice + image has had more time to mature. I won't hide that I'm a Dula Peeper which might make me a liiiitle biased but I do believe she has so much more potential and talent to be shown even after already having numerous global hits
dua is the IT factor of our generation, her music sounds very different from the other new pop girls, because as you commented her age and time in the industry has helped her shaped her identity as a pop artist, needless to say I'm excited for her new album
I think Ellie Goulding REALLY helped define the sound of the 2010’s. Think about it… Lights, Love Me Like You Do, Burn, I Need Your Love, Outside…. EVERYONE knows and loves these songs 🔥
i think a reason why t swift could regain such an extreme, extreme power (something you can't tell me she didn't) is because she is one of the only ones that actually still has the vibe of a popstar from the early 2010 (big tour, prominent boyfriend, lots of new and exciting music, long career) and she really feeds into that nostalgia that many people are experiencing (for example with her rerecordings)
Taylor Swift saw the most notable spikes in influence, popularity, and significance within the last 2 years - an era she WASNT EVEN RELEASING NEW MUSIC. No one even admits her last album midnights is her best work, or frankly even a great album. That inherently means theres something else going on all of a sudden other than music. I personally just think shes become the Stanley cup of the musical industry where social media has led young people to compete in obsessing over her in order to fit in. I promise you this, that her place at the top will be very short lived. People will of course still be fans to an extent, but she will CERTAINLY not have a decades long influence over the direction of pop music. Especially considering only one demographic of people listen to her music - white, straight, cis girls under the age of 35.
@@LD-tn6ffactually, with the amount of hate towards her that comes with the popularity, I’ve seen more people hate her than like her and more people hate fans of her as well. I am a teenage girl who loves her music and i get made fun of, especially by guys, because of it. I don’t think too many people are listening to her to “fit in” because of how much some people will make fun of you for liking her but because they genuinely love her music.
@@LD-tn6ff I'm not white, straight, or cis. I'm the biggest swiftie. I know many people who don't fit into your fake standard either who also like her. If you haven't seen any good reviews of midnights, or ttpd now, you clearly haven't been paying attention. Please grow up. Stop targetting the fans.
@@insthehuffle calm down Karen. she’s a global star with millions upon millions of fans. Just because you’re an anomoly, doesn’t change the fact that 95% plus of her audience is the same exact demographic of people - particularly in the US. Bragging that you’re in that remaining
Pop girlies like Tate, Olivia, and Sabrina are still developing their styles and their voices are still maturing. I feel we need to give these girls so more time. Tate is actually a decent lyricist as well as Oliva. Plus, they are all very young and some have experienced less in life than others. Life experiences influences music heavily so give em a min. We must also recognize that music has changed. We see the changes in rap, and RnB, and now we see it in pop. We cannot complain about a change that we as audience allowed to occur. If you believe this is half baked pop, then why stream and tune into half-baked pop. Even if it was just one song? we allowed this change so to complain about it is a no.
I would also like to add that many of these artists want to be more expressive and creative and we as consumers don't allow that. Every time an artist tries to evolve into a new style or get deeper with their lyrics or try a new concept etc. the public rejects it immediately, simply because it's not what we are used to. We as consumers limit our artist then complain about it as if they aren't going back in the studio and cooking up something generic because their personal creative piece wasn't received well by the confused and judgmental. We need to allow artist to venture in different genres and creative outlets. This could probably easy the issues we have with music today.
That’s the problem with the pop music these days, we expect them to come out and not already have the it factor but back in the day an artist could never debut without their company making sure the artist is in top shape
@@A.J.0606that’s not really true tho bc if you look at older performances from iconic pop stars…they kind of suck. Their vocals were not it, but they grew! I feel like there’s so much more criticism now to be the best right at the beginning of your career
first of all, THANK YOU for mentioning Shakira in the 2000s pop music section! for some reason most americans don't really include her in these sort of conversations when she literally opened doors for non-english speakers to have mainstream success in the states. i feel like she's one of those people who you at least know their name, which is extremely impressive considering most of her catalog is in spanish. i feel like the biggest problem right now with pop music is the listeners who don't give anyone a chance to succeed. the biggest examples of this to me would be olivia and tate, cuz i vividly remember how much hate olivia got when drivers license first started to get big until she was successful enough for ppl to actually like her, same thing happening now with tate. i do agree tho that the music isn't comparable to what the girls were giving before the 2020s (except for sabrina, she easily would've been a main pop girl since 2018 if she didn't go from a terrible label to another)
Shakira definitely deserves her flowers! She is one of the best performers period. And I agree, people do always want something to complain about. I think we have to give things some time to stick. It's a transition period we're in. People tend to hate before they join the bandwagon. Like I said, as much as people claim to hate Tate or think she has nothing. The fact she's causing all this conversation says something! She's doing something right.
Yea I love shakira I was a huge fan when her song "Whenever wherever" was released I was about 5 or 6 and I was so invested in her for year's when she was releasing album's Spanish or English I was on it my favorite album from her is "She Wolf" and her self titled album "Shakira" 😭😩
latin pop was so huge in the early 2000s. Shakira, JLo, Ricky Martin, Enrique Iglesias, Thalia, Juanes. people like to skip over it but it was pretty iconic
i can definitely see sabrina carpenter being a household name. she has it all. lyrics, performance, confidence, the voice, the look, the halloween costume effect, everything. she’s been doing music for a while and just keeps growing
@@jellyrcw12 it means that an artist has something easily recognizable about their image or personal style that can be replicated as a Halloween costume
Yess like I’ve been Supporting Sabrina Carpenter since 2016 and if you want to explore her music, go listen to singular act one and singular act two. she has been putting out pop music
As an upcoming pop artist I think it’s really hard to break through the boundary of people’s attention spans BUT ALSO! Because these artists that blew up in the late 2000s and 2010s are still huge like Taylor Swift and Beyoncé it makes it very hard to take the spotlight away from them, leaving little space for new artists to emerge. It is an exhausting cycle and it does make me sad tbh 😢
@@TONIIMUSIC I think more the issue is the pendulum is slowly starting to swing back to rock and metal. With so many pop, rap, and country acts either doing covers or asking singers, guitar players etc to be on there albums. Even when not on the radio many rock and metal acts are playing at some of the biggest and oldest festivals right now in the world.
Also, it really takes time. It took ariana 3-4 albums to find her own sound. Rihanna was always compared to Beyonce in the 2000s. Lady Gaga was blamed for copying Madonna, and those are just a few examples.
Yes, yes yes. A lot of these artists took years and years to get to the global status that they’re at now. Most of these girls didn’t have it handed to them on a platter they had to work for it. However, from their talent was undeniable.
its also interesting because Ariana actually started off as a pop artist who GREW to her level of greatness that she's at today, she debuted sucessfully, but she wasn't revered as pop music iconography up until Sweetener/Thank U, Next.
Yeah, thank u, next really changed the game. She definitely had some successful singles by that point, but I think thank you next elevated her to completely new height.
she was alr a superstar by the time my everything (her 2nd album) was out. break free, love me harder were everywhere. and her top popstar status came in the dangerous woman era imo
DW and some tracks on my everything cemented her as a pop artist, like the zedd colab she did. But her new sound doesn't actually give the stay quality that TUN gave, positions were a lot more chill and ES will be even more because its more of a story teller album.
When Doja Cat FINALLY decides to act right, she’ll be RULING! She sings well, raps well, has her look, the concepts, the statements! SOMEONE GET HER OFF HER PHONE AND LETS SEE😩
she is insanely popular already, it's the fact that she's a horrible person in general that throws me off. she has some amazing songs I won't lie, but knowing what shes like I wouldn't feel good listening to her
Not to mention she creates a lot her own beats and instrumentals! She also has an extremely clever way of sampling from diverse genres to create a new unique sound. She has some producers she works with now, but its how she started before she got famous. Everything was 100% all her. Insanely talented. I stay a fan hoping she gets better. To me she’s on par with my queens Nicki, Beyoncé and Ari, which is rare to see these days.
@@fretti17 yes that’s exactly what throws me off w/ doja, her personality. Coming for her fans, the ppl she associates with. Chronically online. I get that stardom can’t be easy but when you attack your own fans… what’s really going on?
@@sarahtheegemini yeah, I do think Doja is just an overall great musician. She has the talent to know what sounds right, and what’s fresh, and brings her own twist to it. She’s extremely talented. I can’t take that away from her.
im definitely extremely biased, but i think olivia is definitely a contender for a big popstar, and i think the guts tour has made that much more obvious. she's really grown so much since sour, both in confidence and sound, and with the way she's unafraid to explore different genres and expand upon her own musicality (along with her overwhelming standing in the industry already), i really hope to see her grow to the levels we're so used to from the 2000s and 2010s.
I literally had to force myself to listen to her new album because im already so bored of her. She appears so ordinary or dime-a-dozen, and while her voice is technically "good", it's CERTAINLY nothing unique. Imagine thinking Olivia is on par to people like Michael Jackson or Madonna. Do you really think Olivia offers a decades long cultural impact on music that hasn't already been done to death?
@@LD-tn6ff ”Imagine thinking Olivia is on par to people like Michael Jackson or Madonna.” Nobody said that. Do you always respond to people praising an artist they like with annoying condescension?
@@marianaflores2592 But who's original nowadays? It's so so difficult to make an original track when there's sooo many, we're so oversaturated that we don't think anyone's "good" anymore. Olivia is good at what she does, I don't think she's absolute one in a million star quality but her energy is contagious. Her lyrics are written well and her tracks have the perfect vibe, like it's so easy to relate to her emotions because she's genuine. She's just started out her career too, and I think we need to give these singers a chance. Some songs are questionable, yes but most of you guys just follow a band wagon when critiquing someone instead of actually js letting go of any prejudice. Also she's one of the few singers who writes their own songs, and so well too. She has a great essence in her music and stage presence. Like she emulates the feelings she sings about perfectly even if she's "over" the situation.
I totally agree with Victoria Monet. I saw her live and i was starstruck. Not many of the new pop girls can sing and dance simultaneously. Victoria did that essentially throughout her entire show. Like literally signing while dancing. I was shook. Her album is varied in sound but cohesive and well put together. (Other albums lately just feel like a bunch of random songs thrown together). She has a jungle theme, retro theme, and brown color aesthetic going on. I seriously can’t recommend her enough. I’m glad she’s starting to get her flowers now. To me dancing is such an important aspect of music/performance that reminds me of the greats like Beyonce, Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson. (Not comparing Victoria to them but u gotta admire her work ethic. It must take so much skill and practice to sing and dance) Edit: Normani too! I made another comment for her :)
@@sosm5709 I think it's focused on western Pop. Plus Kpop isn't the only one with singers who sing and dance. There's other pop musics especially in Asia as well so yeah.
I unfortunately couldn’t go to the concert and I was so upset, but I watched the full thing and she just radiates! She’s so polished, experienced passionate. Sings live. She has the recipe of what a popstar is!! Her image is packaged perfectly like she has it!!
I think you nailed it! People don't want a re-make of somebody else. We don't want someone to emulate someone else. We want someone authentic, real, whatever that looks like. Personally I want another Lady Gaga, mixing art with the shock factor + talent. Hopefully we'll get someone soon that sparks a new era for pop music.
That’s what I’m saying. I feel like the new upcoming pop girls know the assignment because they all have different sounds and different styles and personalities that make them stand out from each other and that is a good thing
I feel like Billie Eilish kind of filled that need for a while cause she was just making her music by herself and her brother when she was a teen, now that she's mainstream that effect fades a little and that's the problem now. going mainstream kills the authenticity
I think Billie deserves her flowers. Her sound is really innovative. In my opinion, she developed her own subgenre with her first album. At least, I don't recall any notable artists with her sound before she blew up. Generally, her songwriting is incredibly mature. Her lyrics are often very profound and feel geniune, and the production of her songs is immaculate. Especially on that first album, her storytelling and sound was so cohesive and well-developed. People shit on her vocals, but I think her softer delivery is very deliberate. It suits her music, it requires more control than people realize, and it's instantly recognizable. Not to mention, her aesthetics are also iconic. Her outfits and hair are distinct in the current pop landscape. She's a global star, with a shit ton of streams and radio hits. She's also got a mountain of accolades. All of this, and she's still in her early twenties. She's already cemented herself as an icon in my opinion... imagine what she will go on to do
I'm not really a fan of her songs (too slow for me), but I can recognize Billie really IS all that. Great music production and melody, great lyrics, identifiable brand/look, amazing vocals, etc. I haven't seen her perform, but she checks all other boxes. To the people that complain about her very light singing voice, it's part of her branding! Makes the audience immediately recognize her songs and stand out. She's one of the first names that come to mind when I think of great current artists. Her fans can be a bit obnoxious tho 😅
I definitely think Sabrina is on the rise, and I think she's here to stay. She has a lot of qualities that people really enjoy, she has a relatable energy to her. She really does everything her own way. She combats controversy with confidence and she's so self-assured. I like that, in regards to her music, she's able to hit a couple different key components, she does the upbeat and catchy thing really really well, but also, on her emails I can't send album, the songwriting was the best I've ever seen from her. And let's just be real, she has the look... like come on... She's gorgeous... and she has successfully (in my opinion) hit her own niche style that suits her and separates her from the masses well. The chunky boots, heart dresses and mini skirts, she's got her own vibe in the making. Like, someone could dress up as her for Halloween and you'd definitely know who they were dressed as. But yeah, I totally adore her if that wasn't obvious LOL
The artists during the 90s and early y2k set the bar high, and walked so current artists could run. We won’t ever be able to recreate the pop craze that was in the early 2000s. No one will EVER replicate what Beyoncé, Brittany Spears, Janet Jackson, ETC. did for the culture. However, I don’t believe that takes away from the talent that modern day artists have. There are hidden gems beyond what is shown in the mainstream, and upcoming artists that have yet to be discovered.
I've seen people say its because labels aren't letting artists grow like they used to. They keep pumping them out before they're ready and the fizzle without a long lasting impact
Yeah I think we kinda gotta accept the magic of the 2000s is just that…magic! We had one of a kind pop stars and artists that will Never be able to be replicated. And yes that’s one reason why at the end I wanted to highlight so talent that is apart of this modern day pop gen. Because there is absolutely talent
@@Lildeadthing420 foresure, I do think labels are part to blame and aren’t investing in artists like they used to. But maybe they see the current landscape of music and think it’s no worth it
my favorite popstar might be gwen stefani, this sounds hella wrong cuz it was kinda racist but im referring to her harajuku era. 2010's holds a special place in my heart with lady gaga and nicki minaj tho they were the best.
Personally, I think Olivia, Sabrina, and Tate have a lot of potential to be prominent in the industry. They all have been in the spotlight for years and Sabrina has been in the industry since she was 15. I think there was a lot of growth and change between Olivia’s debut and GUTS, and the fact that Tate is having so much discourse around her shows people care. Lots of people love and hate Taylor Swift and Ariana Grande for example but that’s because they’re prominent in the industry, which I feel like this could be the beginning for Tate and Olivia. As well as Sabrina when it comes to pop.
Olivia , sabrina , tate etc are not finding immesnse success like 2010s artist is because music is moving too fast. Taylor immaculate success has people thinking ariana , rihanna , katy , dua etc can pull off big numbers in 2024 which is very unlikely because Taylor numbers were always through the roof since 2010,. It be interesting to see how good these big artist do in 2024.
@@Flixtex i disagree with Sabrina on that, shes been building her career for years, its just that only now shes actually blowing up for it. If she continues in this direction, i think she could become really big. For olivia and tate tho like you said its gonna take time
@@izzy5860i love all three of them and i have to disagree with you. olivia is the most successful so far and some of her songs are huge worldwide. tate has greedy which is huge worldwide as well. this gives them both a headstart, particularly olivia bc she has multiple. while sabrina has some decently big songs, none of them are huge worldwide songs. i love them and i’m huge fans of them all, and want them to be successful, but when it comes to likelihoods for who will be most famous, sabrina is at a disadvantage😔 let’s see if that changes this year
I’m surprised Olivia wasn’t mentioned as potential to be a pop main. I’m not even a fan like that but she’s the first person that came to mind. She may not be the dancing performer type like a lot of the rest of them but to me she falls under more of the Taylor Swift, Adele category - where it’s more about the resonance of their music and lyrics. I have a feeling she’ll stand the test of time
Her music is bland break up negative songs. Her lyrics are equivalent to a 7th grader’s text. Not to mention most of her popular songs are not original and are plagiarised. This is coming from someone who use to be her fan.
@@Al3xAckerman Her lyrics add to the fun! I'm guessing youre referencing songs like get him back! but the lyrics being kinda silly is the whole point and enhances the fun beat. I also don't agree with your first point; lacy, all american bitch, teenage dream, making the bed, pretty in't pretty, hope ur ok, jealousy jealousy, ballad of a homeschooled girl... all not about break ups and all great songs with great lyrics imo. Lacy is poetry, all american bitch is the pop punk song of my dreams etc etc
Ima be honest, I think the K-pop girlies got it at this point. There’s definitely been a shift in what the public expects now when it comes to crazy cheoro, visuals, and sound.
Yep! But I’ll challenge you and say that their market is getting really over saturated right now too. I do also think that it’s heavily emphasizing visuals a lot too, I mean they always have but it feels much worse. And it’s causing so many idols to end their lives and it’s hard. Also, the new idols can’t really sing as well as others (with outliers like Aespa and Nmixx cause whew! 🤧) I think it’s a general problem
Tru but their music is going down in quality in a similar way so soon it’s kinda expected there won’t be any big kpop stars anymore in 10 years. In 2035 there’s probably gonna be a video about the decline of kpop mentioning girls generation, super junior, tvxq, Big Bang, exo, Blackpink, BTS, twice, got7, seventeen, ive, le sserafim, new jeans, etc all wondering where it went wrong
@@kamhardee8558 the K-pop market been over saturated if we’re really talking. I’d say after the 3 gen it just became like a build a bear factory, where most groups didn’t even make it past a year after debut. But even with that said, that’s pretty much the time period it started to STAY in the western market, you know what I mean?? BTS and blackpink pretty much sealed the deal the K-pop is here to stay.
@@Vivi-Violet I’ve definitely noticed the quality is crashing and burning, following TikTok trends and what not. There are very few groups where every member has a strong voice and can sing (shinee, new jeans, tvxq) it’s become a popularity contest more than raw talent for sure.
@@bonbon6.235 it is a bit sad how most of the groups that are notable for having great singers are all older, peaking when the pop industry peaked in the 2000s/2010s. I don’t hate newer groups for not having the same ability, it’s just sad seeing that their companies don’t care about them enough to train them properly.
Judging by the comments and making my own reflection on the subjects I’ve realized female pop is going to be alright. I even have the feeling that the music industry will be Ruled by female artist primarily✨ The question is are there any male pop stars besides JB, Harry and Shawn?? Haven’t heard of any for the last couple of years… Shawn was the youngest to come up to the scene and it’s been 7-8 years…
Yeah, to be honest, that might be the bigger question at this point because a lot of people aren’t talking about a lot of male artists. Solo artist, at least
@@Me-vn3gzI've followed Conan since his CZcams channel when he did stationary hauls and covers and stuff and it's been so amazing watching him grow and succeed
I think people forget that she was dropping back to back hits for years in the 2010s. I also believe she helped to bring in a new wave of style and videography with her eccentric music videos and performances. Most of her biggest hits have over a billion views on the music videos
I remember ppl saying stuff like this specifically regarding when Ariana and Taylor were coming up an how it wasn’t the 90s anymore. Given time you’ll forget people weren’t born stars and weren’t always excepted into the community for being too modern. That being Sabrina is the next one. We lv her she’s going to be it, rn she’s going stylized but she has super powerful vocals if you look back a little
Tyla!!!!! That’s what I think is missing, the stage presence in a lot of these new stars. And Victoria Monet is everything. You hit the nail on the head with them
Pop music in the 2010s was definitely a peak time. I loved how back then R&B artists collaborated more with pop or EDM artists unlike now. I loved me some Fergie and Black Eyed Peas!!! I wonder how pop will evolve in the 2020s…
Hey makayla girl!!🤩 you bring up such a good point. The collaborations are lacking. Like remember when Beyoncé and Lady Gaga collaborated, the Internet broke. miss it too. It just doesn’t feel the same, I wonder if it’s because we’re getting older
there was some gems in 2010 but not as good as time pass. I think peak late 1990s because there was more variety back then. also sells peak around late 1990s. I felt in 2010s the pop music was get worst. though I am a 90s kid. pop music is first party music. so labels create pop stars. today they just do not have money to create good ones.
@@CamrynSuzannethat collaboration was so iconic and it’s really sad to see the lack of art, meaning, and substance in music today which that song had so much of. You’d think music would be progressing and evolving to be better over time, but to me, a majority of it is getting worse.
@@spark300cTBH, 2010s clubbing, EDM and pop era far surpass 90s pop. That era was peak for Hip Hop and Indie. Mariah was carrying Pop back then. The 2010s had Justin Bieber, Ariana, Nicki, Taylor, One Direction, Katy Perry, Ellie Goulding, Lady Gaga, One Direction, Ed Sheeran, Bruno Mars, Beyoncé, Drake even Britney and Black Eyed Peas were still putting out hits. That list isn’t even the half of it. So many eternal pop stars came from the last decade and most of them were at their peaks. Competition was fierce
@@mgp1203Eurodance was iconic in the 90's and I refuse to listen to recycled versions of those songs that were already perfect. It's like getting your favourite jewellery melted to turn it into a trendy piece.
My money is on Tyla. She has a style thats her thing and a sound thats like no other, Popiano. Plus she has stage presence and a great voice. Personality tops too
nah. she’s beautiful but poppin off half based on a gimmick (her little dance) screams one hit wonder to me. and has she managed to make an impact on the charts at all yet bc without tiktok aint no one know that girl. IF she gets the right ppl behind her for the long haul she could become the new riri but major labels don’t want to do that long haul stuff anymore so it’s hard to say. she def has the right look for success but beyond that ….
She will probably be just another Tinashe, one hit wonder. She has no aura/personality of her own, except for her little dance. Call me a hater, but it’s the truth. She’s definitely being pushed a lot tho, she had a great management, so maybe that will play a good role. Hope so, I like her
These days it feels like Dua Lipa is my pick for pop icon specifically. When it comes to pop as a genre… k-pop has definitely grabbed my attention better than most things released these days. like you want catchy songs you can sing and dance too? It’s gonna be k-pop
The term “pop” star is so whitewashed. I think artist like “ Bree Runway” are so iconic and really give you what you have been missing in pop but because she’s a dark skinned woman doing pop music she’s not considered
Teaaa… honestly, that’s a whole other conversation that I’d love to do in another video. Because how do we consider certain people pop and not pop? It does tend to favor, white artist versus black artist. I low-key wanted to touch on that but I didn’t want this video to be two hours.
I feel like Bree is not considered much because her music falls flat, it doesn't fully have the spark and pop element that is catchy in some way and not because she's dark skinned lol
@@fdpcompdm you’re welcome to your opinion, but a lot of people may disagree with that statement . I think she is more interesting of an artist then Tate McRae by a long run, no shade to her
@@CamrynSuzanneyesss I feel like Nicki is a rapper but I can’t lie she was the queen of pop in the 2010s, not just her music but she was everywhere and her style was really giving pop.
@nalalala2 hot hot and Gucci are works of art !! I even think Doja has mentioned taking inspiration from Bree Runway and Doechii. I hate to bring in that card , but, I think if Bree Or doechii were of lighter complexion but doing the same thing they would be huge by now .
Kpop has a similar problem in 4th and 5th gen vocals are a lot less important. Most company care more about dancing and visuals because most groups lip sync now as the standard. I’ve been pleasantly surprised with groups singing live well when most of the time it’s LAR performance, but when it comes to being a vocalist, kpop companies and fans seem to care a lot less. Shout out to Nmixx for being amazing and keeping live singing alive
Kiss of Life and Nmixx are some of the only 4th/5th Gen female Kpop groups that can actually sing live pretty well and prioritize vocals. We need more groups like them in the future
I’m glad you mentioned the artist development part of this. Since FOREVER, a label (A&R) would discover a new artist and then develop them for years behind the scenes until they were finally ready to be released to the world. That’s why people could perform well out the gate and usually already had their own “sound” even on a debut album. Because they spent years finding and developing it, usually with the help of some great producers. Nowadays a label does that and the artist is called an industry plant. If you didn’t go straight from TikTok, IG or CZcams to the stage, then you’re not “authentic enough.” And it results in a bunch of one hit wonders and fads that fizzle out quickly rather than artists with any kind of artistic identity and staying power.
Right like there’s so many people becoming musicians by happenstance or because “ why not?”. The intentionality is not there anymore. Labels aren’t putting money into artists. The artist themselves don’t care enough they just wanna make a check :/ I think that’s a huge part of the equation as to why things feel flat or underwhelming, because some of these people just aren’t ready to be on the stages they’re on, and they need to be polished a bit more to be considered a popstar at least
Major labels stopped developing artists in the late 80s/early 90s because artists don't make money, songs do. Push the song / mention the artist. This isn't anything new, and for many reasons they had to make the shift. Some artists with strong fan bases manage to take advantage of this, to their benefit, while others who don't know any better sign their life away, thinking they've "made it", are left to hopefully churn enough profitable products to stay alive, if they are allowed to release anything at all. As long as the "major market" exists, we'll continue down this path. Eventually, the best of the best rise to the top, we find them one way or another, and so the process continues....
It’s very difficult for beginner musicians/visual artists to self-promote these days. Many outsiders expect perfection, like amazing choreography, a unique aesthetic, out of beginners who are just starting out and discovering their style. Many people direct their extreme pessimism onto the individual artist themself rather than the huge companies or popular trends-the root problems. In the end, everyone is just discouraged from making art and trying because they’re scared they’ll get bullied off the internet.
This video made me realize how many of the old stars are still around and dominating pop whereas in the 2000s, I feel like we got a lot of the "fresh" musicians making it big. Taylor Swift and Beyoncé have been around for 20 years and don't let up. And despite some of the newer ones like Olivia Rodrigo and Doja Cat being more popular, none of them have grabbed society by the throat yet. I'm curious how it's going to be by 2030
Doja Cat's type of Pop isn't really "Pop" it more of Pop Rap I guess you can loop her in there tho And Newer "Pop Stars" havent Really had impact as much as Beyonce or Swift is just because they Haven't been around long enough yet Olivia is just 3 Years Doja is 8 Years but didn't get mainstream until 5 years ago
@@CamrynSuzanneBut her more recent songs fair and wild side are R&B. Motivation is 4 yrs ago and it was pretty bland. It's the choreography that had everyone in a chokehold.
I agree 100%! I’m from GenZ and I really miss old pop music. Until today I listen old pop. Is very hard to listen “new pop” bc every single lyric and melody looks the same and a lot of new artists are sexualizing themselves. This is the “content” to the people. I feel sad abt it. I’m singer and I’m starting my career and I really want to make music/music video/outfit/performance with 2000-2016 vibes!
Yeah, I think a lot of things sound the same and there’s a lack of distinction. But with the lineup by list of current artists, I think could be big I think they differ from each other in some way, which would be helpful in diversifying pop!
Not to discredit her talent, i’m a huge swiftie, but i think the fact that the industry has changed so that new pop stars aren’t rising is the reason Taylor Swift keeps growing and is still here. She’s the only ‘’og’’ pop star who never stopped, she outlived them all, so now she’s pretty much got the pop star monopoly until she decides to let it go
I disagree, she's on her way to be considered a legend a this point but no longer a player in the game, people don't see her as competition because she's already well established that's why people say pop music is dying because they think there's no new "worthy" popstars in the making. They want new pop music from new pop artists.
I honestly keep thinking about why and how is she so big now? Because I never saw anyone talking about her or their music as much as I saw people talking about Katy Perry, Ariana Grande, Demi Lovato... Like where was this huge fan base years ago? Taylor is really talented (I'm not a huge fan of hers but I can't deny it), but her being the "biggest artist" now feels so random. I never saw people talking about her until 2022-23 tbh 😅
bro i always hear people praise taylor this way but never in my life have i met someone irl who said they listen to taylor lmao. Like do yall just keep it a secret until someone brings up her name im so confused?? like i had no idea taylor was that big until her tour started and all the white girls were going crazy
There was a lot of annoying ass edm/electronic music in the pop music though… that’s what turned me off… too much. And too much lyrics that went like “ah, ah, ah,” repeating a part of a word or something like that…
I wonder if "best era of pop music" is always the one you experienced as a child and teenager or if there is actually a superior pop music era that people from different generations can agree on 🤔
I also could not disagree more with the idea that pop is dead. Taylor Swift is an example of a pop act who has not just excelled this year, she drove pop, singlehandedly, to the biggest year ever. The difference you are discussing here is ageism and the idea that new young stars have to be here to keep the genre alive. It's not true, I think streaming has opened the doors for older artists to have much longer runs at it than they used to.
True , 2023 was literally biggest year of pop in recent times since 2019 and it was fueled by Taylor swift and many others . Just because 2010 pop artist other than taylor didnt get success , these people think pop is dying.
@Moon-ge8mc I mean I'm not a swiftie, but I kinda agree. But not only Taylor Swift, also the weeknd, they've been carrying pop since 2022. Like for example, it's sad that a Taylor swift song from 2019 is outperforming every release this year.
The thing is Sabrina has career development. She’s been making music for a long time and slowly climbing up, which made her recent songs stick and boosted her even more
i’ve never really listened to pop before , until chappell roan and charlie xcx’s albums dropped . i think they have that originality , they could defo be the next huge pop singers
idk why Madison Beer isn't popping off yet! Her music is sooo good + obsessed with how pretty she is! She's been here for some time now but I have yet to see her skyrocket and become a mainstay in Pop.
Madison isn't mainstream because she doesn't want to be. She hates her old cookie cutter pop songs like Melodies, and Silence Between Songs was a clear departure from mainstream sounds. Envy The Leaves, Ryder, and At Your Worst aren't really the type of songs that the public wants to hear on the radio. I suspect that her career will be more comparable to Lana Del Rey than the main pop girlies. Mainstream pop debut that gradually transitions into more folk/alternative music. And honestly, that suits her best.
@@Rachels7777I like this take. Never listened to Madison Beer untill literally this week. Sweet relief is fantastic and Make you Mine that came out this past week I feel like has such a good current edm pop sound without being attached to David Guetta (and his shitty classic song reworks)
Tate McRae can dance and sing, she was a dancer before she was a singer. Her, Sabrina, and Olivia are all new to this but they’re all stardom material.
@@f4gsforpele all three of them were famous/known before they were SUPER famous. tate is awesome, has EVERY quality a star needs. olivia is already a star. sabrina finally got her big break last year with "because i liked a boy" and "nonsense" and "feather"
I think Olivia really stands out to me the most because of the way she carries herself in the media. She has really toned things back this album and keeps her persona primarily based and reliant on her music, which is something I respect. I also thinks she’s the only one at of the people you mentioned who is bringing something new to the table. (Tate a little bit too with her newer singles). I know people are super obsessed with sabrina rn, but in my opinion she is lacking something that makes her stand out from the rest I guess. (sorry I’ve tried sooo hard to get into her music). Love Olivia’s music or hate it she is bringing back the pop punk sound.
sameeee, i love how fresh her music is, and the lyrics are also amazing, she has this very personal feel with her music and such a good voice and curated idea on what she wants to portray, definetly she is here for the lung run!!
In 2013 ARTPOP was considered a FLOP, selling ONLY 250.000 copies. In 2024, selling 100.000 albums is a "commercial success" Mainstream music is SO DEAD
as a millennial, i respect where you’re coming from but have to disagree. i think right now, like now now, pop is getting more interesting. it’s not at another peak but it’s on the way up. it’s spear headed by Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo. also, one thing that makes this new rise unique than the peak we saw is the authenticity and rawness. the 90s-2000s pop were catchy tunes written by label record songwriters. this new rise of pop have the artists write the songs themselves, the songs are much more raw and personal. i think this part of this generation’s pop is fresh. i do not want to go back to listening pop songs written by 40 year old songwriter dudes.
I see what you’re saying but I don’t feel like pop music is supposed to be about authenticity. If I wanted that I’d go listen to a singer songwriter/acoustic type of vibe or something alternative like Phoebe Bridgers. Pop is supposed to be feel-good music. We know it’s manufactured and I want that. Billie and Olivia are WILDLY TALENTED!’ But they don’t make me feel good, they make me feel depressed. I feel like honestly they are a genre of their own Also some artists of the past were writing their own stuff. I know Ke$ha wrote some of her own songs
@@Foundationsofgreatness "Pop is about feel-good music" The Weeknd's existence kinda breaks that. Feel-good music is not locked to one genre, and pop is so much more than "makes me wanna dance" and its really the upcoming artists proving that. I love high energy danceable pop music, but I also love more calm pop music. I can appreciate my Dua Lipa "Dance The Night" and my Troye Sivan "One Of Your Girls", you can have both a Charlie Puth and salem ilese type pop musician and keep your Sabrina Carpenter and Carly Rae Jepsens!!! Manufactured music is never going to go away, obviously, but you can't expect people who want to write something else to conform (pop is also kinda great for experimentation because its so broad). And saying that because its not "feel good, be happy" that it isnt pop is ridiculous IMHO WHY NOT BOTH!?!?! WE CAN HAVE BOTH!!! EVERYONE CAN BE HAPPY!!!
@@Foundationsofgreatnesspop is just popular music it isn’t supposed to have a image or anything like that that’s why every genre in the world is capable of becoming pop
I don't think pop music is dying, I think that pop music and the pop imagery is shifting and I wanna point out 2 things: 1. What really is pop music? It's hard to tell because the nuances that make pop music a genre change about every 8 years or so. Think Beyoncé, I REALLY don't think that Dangerously In Love could be considered a pure pop album, and that goes to many many albums from that era, but because R&B was so popular at the time, it became pop 2. And now, for me, we're seeing the same thing happening again, the change. After the "R&B pop", we had that 2006 - 2014? period era of synth, bubblegum pop songs with artists like Kesha, Katy Perry and Lady Gaga defining the genre and becoming divas, but I think the idea of crazy divas with extra costumes and maximalistic songs isn't so appealing to the public anymore (specially the younger generation, that I think is the generation that consumes pop music and culture the most), and now we're having a more chill, laid back pop music, even sad honestly, that talks more about feelings and love than party and that kind of stuff and the public is finding more appealing. everyone should check out some underground artists tho, there are some divas and hyperpop artist that give the pop you'll are asking for
I think pop music has changed to appeal to a more depressive and melancholic generation that finds comfort in someone singing something that they can say "hey, this artist felt the same thing as I did, they get me" than a true pop diva, y'know?
Sabrina has everything to become the next popstar(she already is btw) 1. Lyrical genius 2. Good fashion sense and aesthetics 3. The drama 4. Amazing voice, talent 5. Insane performer
@@nassercabelo3330ur 100% right the most important factor too… with the right teams and songs she could tick this box too. I do think the feather song is a step in the right direction!
@@nassercabelo3330 Dude you live in a cave or being ignorant, she clearly has songs charting and people's feed are filled with her performances. She is clearly rising and questioning her charisma?! You better be joking.
she isnt and her issue is her music sucks and thats not being a hater, her music is just whatever olivia and taylors producers leave in the studio before sabrina comes in , she isnt popular, her songs dont chart high at all or even chart to begin with , shes on her 6th studio album and has just barely cracked the hot 100, madison beer is much better then her and has bigger streaming numbers
Rina Sawayama is could EASILY make it big if her label promoted her well. She is one of the most talented live performers I’ve ever seen, and I think she definitely has that star quality.
I don’t think Rina Sawayama is a pop artist though. She is amazing at what she does her music is insane, but i don’t think she falls into POP music. She uses a lot of pop elements but I wouldn’t say she is a pop artist.
I'd like to thank you for speaking on this subject in an informed and non biased manner, this video was a breath of fresh air and i'd love to see more like this from you. You've definitely gained a subscriber 🥰
I feel like the pop era now is definitely kpop. It took a while for kpop to be popularized in countries like america, and now that they've gained so much traction worldwide, kpop's gonna stay relevant for a very long time
True, but its always going to have its limits in America because of the language barrier (obviously not all are in Korean but at least the ones I’m used to), I feel like it’s still pretty niche as i feel as though most people here wouldn’t name a k pop band if they were asked for their top pop artist faves
@@Fuzzy_Slippers111Kpop has its own style compared to American pop, and the vibes are not the same. But i agree with you when u said kpop is becoming more recognised worldwide.
the gag is nobody really listens to kpop outside of kpop stans😭 i used to be a really big kpop stan, yall do overrate how much people know & listen to kpop.
@@ongakira Personally im not a kpop fan (Used to) , more of a western music fan. But one of the reasons why i said kpop being more recognised would be cuz of bts, blackpink, big bang and other popular bands.
For me, pop ended when the last girl band dissolved (Little Mix), I entered a musical crisis and ended up reaching the world of Kpop, which little by little is breaking borders and scenarios because the presentations are pure art. However, I always keep an eye out for American music and pray for something good to play. I also think that Latin music has become my anesthetic when I need something to dance to. In conclusion I miss the real POP❤
I don't even know of any american girl groups like ever. There were american boy groups nsync, backstreet boys..., The few "western" hemisphere's girl groups who sing in english are british. And when people say Destiny's Child ?! to me those are singers, not a 'girl group'. But maybe it's just semantics.
@@Lei3195i Do you speak English natively? Because you don't understand what girl group means. Destiny Child is not only a girl group, other girl groups such as Little Mix literally cite them as one of their inspirations. Maybe you misunderstand because after they broke up they became solo artists but they were 100% a girl group. Lose my breath, say my name, survivor,cater 2 u, etc. If you haven't seen their videos you shouldn't be talking on this
If you want a good upcoming girl band check out The Last Dinner Party! Their style leans a bit more indie pop / alt pop but their debut album was excellent!
I love that you included black artist as well from the 00's. People tend to leave them out of the pop conversations and just throw them into the R&B/ Hip hop lane which is so unfair.
I would love to do a more in depth video honoring those black artists and how black people are often left out of the pop category. Or have to do SOOOO much work to transition over and prove themselves 😢
@@CamrynSuzanne PLEASE tell me that Brandy will be included in that video! I absolutely love her and her music, I wish other people would appreciate her more as well.
As a white person, the black artists make pop what it is as a whole! You wouldn’t have pop being what it is now if it weren’t for the inspiration it gave all artists in esp the early 2000’s.
The pop girlies from the 2000's /2010's had the Charisma and consistently, hit after hit ......albums non stop ,the competition was powerful in a good way every Artist had their own identity and own style
@@CamrynSuzanneplus they weren't afraid to be sexy! like borderline wh*re almost! these new pop girlies are just way TOO tame for me... i don't get gay life when i watch them
Olivia Rodrigo and Tate McRae. 1. They got good songs and lyrics. 2. They have the spark of lyrics actually are able to relate to. 3. I just love them as people, they sound like great people.
I like Sabrina. It feels like she's just being herself. She's not trying to fit into the "nice girl" stereotype, nor is she trying to be edgy and different. It feels like she's playing around, figuring out what style she wants, and just writing about her life.
Billie Eilish is the biggest from this generation. She's still very young (only 1-2 years older than Olivia and Tate) and already has a catalog of hits, instantly recognizable aesthetic and sound, industry respect, and touring arenas/stadiums globally. Not to mention she has a lot of time to switch it up & continue to build her legacy with her future albums, projects, acting, etc.
@@mirzasadman6670naw Billie is since she has millions of views on all her videos since she has more then Olivia and she has like 2 videos on CZcams that’s are at 1 billion and one of the videos are gonna reach to 2b and that video is lovely
@@emanuel5944 olivia has 4 billion songs from her DEBUT album. 2 of them have over 2 Billion stream too. Billie's second album kinda flopped whereas GUTS broke her previous album's first day sales record. so yeah, i still stand by what i said.
@@mirzasadman6670 I love olivia but she is not bigger than billie at all..at least not yet. billie has broken more records, has more awards (grammys, oscars, etc) and a guinness world record, billie also has a larger audience and is known by multiple generations. my parents know who billie is..they don’t know olivia yet. her audience is still mostly teens
I love Olivia Rodrigo and I’m 33. Her music is just too catchy. And I like her SoCal suburban girl aesthetic. Something about her is just very refreshing for me, but familiar at the same time.
This video was so real. Another new artist that I personally see a huge potential is Chapell Roan, with her album of The Rise and Fall of a MidWest Princess, songs like Good Luck Babe, Red Wine Supernova, Pink Pony Club, Hot to Go are really catchy and memorable, she has a GREAT voice, and a really particular aesthetic. She seems like at some point of the future she'll get more recognition.
100% chapell has the potential for sure i think she’s slightly niche right now. she has a very specific aesthetic and sound (reminiscent of gaga to me ngl) and so i’m not sure how well it meshes with the general public, but i’m excited to watch her grow so rapidly
As an arianator, I couldnt be more happy that ari is coming back. I know how problematic she is unfortunately - even though I dont believe in all the rumors - buttt even people who arent her fans and have the ability to seperate the art from the artist, still are excited for her come back. Personally, I think people love her and dislike the new rising stars (Olivia, Tate, Sabrinae, Tyla etc) because maybe they grew up with her and saw her improve. Also I think its because these new artists trust Tik Tok a lot to promote their work and dont have or dont know any other ways to promote their work. Lastly, I think people these days just throw raw products and beautiful albums.
Yeah, I’m an ari stan. And yes, her scandals kind of overshadow sometimes but I don’t think she’s that bad of a person🥲🥲🥲 Maybe I’m delusional. I also remember hearing Ari on the radio for the first time, actually, I heard her music before victorious got popular and I witnessed her growth. I truly do think that’s why I connect with her so much so you’re definitely right about that. Yeah, I think a lot of new artist are stuck in the TikTok frame of mind but in their defense that’s what’s working at least short term . they’ll probably realize long-term that it’s not as beneficial as they may think because there’s audiences outside of TikTok. Other demographics, who don’t use TikTok, and in order to be a mega star, you have to reach everyone, young and old, and everybody kinda Hass to buy in.. and that’s just not happening
@@JiafeiProducts6969after everything she faced i want her to never come-back. She was abused to the core of her soul i'm sure she lost her passion for music
@@briannaaudain928girl you’re always under comments acting delusional. you probably see things differently, but you might come off as rude. it’s true that ariana clearly has been associated with ´scandals’ lately - and the media did what they do the best: twist the knife and emphasize rumours 😁
Its jarring to me to see people question Sabrina's fame. I've known in my gut sonce I was 7 and I saw her on girl meets world that she was gonna be huge one day. I've also been in a cycle of finding her music and listening non stop since 2019. Even when I didnt listen to her all the time shes just always stuck with me and I couldn't help but adore her.
Exactly. When I see comments about her being “untalented” I’m like oh okay so y’all have clearly never sat down to actually to listen to her work or At least one of her albums
When I think about what we’re missing, I think about Normani’s Wild Side music video… THAT is what we’re missing in pop today. The big budget video, elaborate sets, FLAWLESS CHOREOGRAPHY. It was a moment when that video dropped and everyone was losing their minds cuz it was EXCELLENT. It’s a shame that she’s not consistent cuz Normani imo has that starpower and attention to detail that is missing from todays artists
I think that's why a lot of people are turning to kpop. Say what you will about the music as I know it's not everyone's preference (although not all kpop sounds the same), but kpop artists know how to dance and the music videos are immaculate.
What’s crazy to is normani said she had to help fund it herself to get what she wanted. Her label didn’t want to fully invest. Because that video was everything. The choreo, the song, the looks. She ate that up.
This exactly! That was probably one of the last times i was super excited for a music video. It was a moment and it gagged me so bad 👏🔥 Plus her live performances are spectacular and are always the ones i look forward to the most
@@CamrynSuzanne Yes, I heard about that! It explains why music videos have become so lacklustre now as labels clearly do not see the worth in them which is a shame cuz they are an art form in themselves.
@@okaiiiii3931 Yesss her VMA performances are the only ones that stand out in recent memory. She’s so talented, I’d hate to see it go to waste but it’s her decision to release music at the end of the day
This video is pure gold, finally someone talking facts! Im so tired of people pretending certain artists changed music forever or made iconic things when all they really do is make,as you said, fast food music.
No really, i only think people who haven’t really been witness some of the greats develop for decades have this major complaint about artists…a lot of stars didn’t blow up over night even though it seems like it. Talent isn’t an easy bake oven. It takes time
But even then those artist that are the greatest already had the quality for it from the beginning. These artist now art giving until their third or fourth album that’s not real star quality because the QUALITY isn’t there.
i think it also has to do with large media consumption. it's only gotten bigger since the greats were starting out. now, any artist can post to 500k followers on tiktok, go to bed, then wake up to 5M followers because they went viral. with social media being at it's largest usage, people are being thrown into the industry overnight with no experience or preparation at all so they're having to learn with millions of eyes watching and dozens of cameras pointed at them. but i still agree though. it's just fan pages waiting for an artist to mess up so they can use them in social media fan wars to make their favorite artist look better. instead of just taking a step back and giving artists some grace to make mistakes, whether they're new or not.
@@areswilliamsI mean it took Janet her 3rd album with Control to reach superstar and main pop girl status. Hell Michael Jackson put out 4 solo albums as a child before his solo career skyrocketed with Off The Wall in the late 70s as a young adult. Rihanna also didn't became a bonafide global superstar until Good Girl Gone Bad when she switched her style, did the jet black asymetrical bob and droped Umbrella. Ppl thought she was only here to make some summer bops or and some even Jay-Z was scared that Pon Da Replay was gonna be bigger than her at first similar to Lil Nas X after Old Town Road or now Tyla with Water. Sometimes, it really takes time
I don't think pop is dead, early 2020's had an amazing eras with disco and pop punk. I just think right now there's this kind of moment that we're moving on to the next phase. As to current popstars, Charli XCX and Tinashe so deserve but their sound is too unique for mainstream and they've been here for such a while so I don't see this happens.. I think Sabrina Carpenter really has it, she just need to find her own sound. I also think PinkPantheress is so unique and her asthethic and vocals are something that I've never seen before, hope she wouldn't become a one hit wonder.. Renee Rapp is absolutely killing it in my opinion. She is a vocalist, her music is deeply personal and she's starting to have this edge that sepparates her from the other girls. Also I feel like Olivia Rodrigo was missed from the chat. She has it ALL, in my opinion. Like a real star quality, a personality, great and fresh music and an insane voice. I didn't really vibe with SOUR except the singles, but GUTS is a huge development in my opinion.
So you mentioned a couple names, I really love PinkPantheress right now. I’m not too into Renee rap, but she’s a really nice voice. However I think in this video, I was just trying to capture who has the potential to be on the level that Christina once was around the level that ( not saying that they are them) but only a few people can make it. Also, I didn’t mention Olivia much because I think she’s talented and she’s probably breaking the most records right now out of anybody I’ve mentioned in the new age but personally, I’m not enthusiastic about her music and her brand (it’s not really my thing which doesn’t mean that she doesn’t have it). I’m just not as intrigued by her and it might be because maybe I’m not her target demographic. Which is another thing I mentioned that nowadays, a lot of people cater to their demographic. But it’s still early in her career so she could still be on her way. I could very much be sleep and missing out but i’ve tried to really get into her music. Listening to albums etc. (going out of my way) and as talented as she is, I just don’t connect with it / see it fr
@@CamrynSuzanne as for Olivia I really get where you're coming from, her music is not for everyone, but I think she is the only one recently who reached the superstardom level you're talking about. Also I do think Renee and PinkPantheress have the potential to become household names in the future. I guess we'll have to wait and see...
Sabrina does have her own sound! But most were too busy sleeping on her. Sabrina's rnb era with Singular act 1 and 2 was truly her potential sound. It wasn't hyped enough because of less promotion and a law suit at the time (for trying to get out of her shitty record label). I think her rnb era mixed in with eics writing + pop songs like feather and sue me are her sound. Honestly Sue me and Looking at Me both from her Singular Era give off the same vibe as her hit song Feather. Sue Me and Looking at Me truly deserved the same hype or better! But idk what do u think?
@@pancakesxoxo1064 don't get me wrong, i think her music is fantastic:) It's just that there are many girls that are doing this "hot girl music" thing right now (she still does it better than the most tho) and i like it, but some of her popular music reminds me a lot of Ariana. I kinda wish that in the next several years she would take a different direction musically, so she'd really stand out as she should.
@@user-zw9nl5eo8l oh ok understandable. I get the Ariana comparison. But she has time and time again shown to be more influenced by Rihanna. Way more than Taylor or Ariana. I think it's the similar vocal technique that make people associate her with Ariana. Like I said I think her Singular Era was her potential sound but she didn't carry on with it because it didn't get the hype it deserved. If her current fans do give a listen to it, I think it will go just as viral because it's the exact same vibe as 2 of her current popular songs. (If u notice her voice sounds completely different in Singular compared to eics)
I know she's a rapper and I will never disregard her as a hip-hop artist, but Megan Thee Stallion is DEFINITELY a pop star. She has the look, the talent, and the different personas. Her music always hits.
Tinashe is the most UNDERRATED artist in the music industry. Period. She writes, produce, direct, sing, dance, perform, has the personality, looks, work ethic I could keep going. Deserves so much more recognition!
Zara Laarson is another great international pop artist but some reason her music doesnt get played on American radio anymore. She had several big hits that blew up here. I also believe Halle Bailey will be another big pop girl once she pits out her album.
Oh i forgot about zara! I like her song need someone, and she seems like she has a cool personality. Also I just don’t know what direction Halle is trying to take her music. Her solo song Angel was giving ballad, so I’m not sure what her pop music would quite sound like.
I think Zara was just missing a unique image. Her hits were kinda bigger than her as a person. Like she makes good music but the pop stars have an image it’s not just about the music.
zara is so underrated but so successful at the same time. she has the total package: beauty, personality, the voice, commercial success and can tear up some choreography on stage (in heels too might I add).
Olivia Rodrigo is one that I think can be the next pop star because her lyrics resonates with people and keeps them entertained and she’s also like brings some sort of nostalgia that I really like
I agree so much with you, especially Tyla, Victoria and Tinashe, they all have THE IT FACTOR, im exited to see what they serve us next. and how come Tinashe and Vic are so criminally underrated, their music is literally AMAZING
I feel like every pop song these days just tries to replicate the essence of 2000s pop, rather than breaking boundaries and making their OWN sounds. Idk
For sure I agree, I think that would be an interesting video as well to kind of talk about how nostalgia has infiltrated almost every aspect of art today. It feels like things get less and less original.
That’s mostly the fans fault. When artists try new things or break boundaries they get called cringe, doing too much or whatever. Who wants to break boundaries when chronically online people will spew hate on you constantly.
It's crazy how this video is about Pop music but there's this specific part ( 22:10 - where she says that people want originally, effort and quality but when an artist is trying to get to this point people don't even give them the chance to prove themselves worthy) that's so relatable when speaking about rock as well! Old guys say that rock and roll is dead, when there are plenty of new bands out there trying to keep it alive, but they don't even wanna listen to this bands.
You should listen to bands like Black midi, Fountaines DC, SQUID or Dry Cleaning, they're relatively "new" rock (mostly post-punk) bands that are still putting stuff out
tbh i don’t think that anything is dying. no genre is dying, there’s more artist bc anyone can make music nowadays so the good stuff is just harder to find
Of course! She deserves all the credit. she’s been in the industry for a long time, has made major hits, but people still try to deny her impact. And thank you so much 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Labels those days promoted limited artists, the production effort went there were insane but nowadays labels itself force artists to promote in tiktok and dont do anything besides playlisting and the number of artits have become huge and varied now. What is lacking now in pop music is huge collaborations, creative dance choreos, catchy tunes. But undermining any of the artists hard work wouldn't benefit anyone and people should stop sending unnecessary hate. Loved your analysis!
You hit the nail on the head with ALL of this. Labels absolutely promoted limited artist and that’s probably why they had bigger budget to invest and push stars. Now, labels are trying to sign the person with the TikTok hit and they’re not truly invested in developing their artistry they just want a cash grab. I also desperately miss collaborations and the dancing and performances, but I do think that it has the potential to make it come back with some of these artists. Thanks so much for watching ! I definitely try to keep it positive over here
I think there's a resurgence of artist loyalty. When i was in elementary school you had to buy a whole album to hear a song you wanted to own, so usually if you liked it you'd keep buying the same artist. (I have everything hilary duff ever did ) but when i was in middle school to high school digital music became a thing and you could just buy one song. Artists had to try to compete to be that *one song* you'd buy. Then streaming made it so they'd get *one song* on a playlist. The newer generation seems to be ready for artist loyalty again. I mean theyre bringing back physical records, they want cds. They want genuine people who release good music consistently.
olivia and tate have potential in my opinion. i love tate’s “think later” album, and GUTS felt so raw. idk, i think they are both good. and we already know Lorde is pop icon (melodrama is that girl) so when she comes back, i feel like pop will revive. and you can’t mention pop without mentioning taylor, cause of course she did such a good thing for pop music.
Yeah, I honestly think that if anyone is “there” , it’s probably Olivia. Out of all of the new crop of artist, similar to her, she’s charted the highest, she’s performed on the bigger stages. I just don’t connect with her music as much. I liked guts, but I didn’t do anything for me.☹️ personally
@@CamrynSuzanne I feel like Olivia is taking the "Taylor route". Like she's working on it and improving. Her songwriting is there, but the aura and stage presence haven't quite clicked "for everyone" yet. It is weird because she has her background with acting and singing, but at the same time I feel like she is the embodiment of Taylor's song mirrorball right now. "I've never been a natural, all I do is try try try". Like she is getting there, and its clear that she's here to stay with her songwriting, but in terms of household name status and THE pop star status, she is just missing some oomph. Maybe by her 3rd or 4th album it'll click. Like even Taylor in her branding as a country star back from fearless to red was strange from 2008-2012. She was just "there" and clearly had a lot of staying power with how many records she was breaking in pop culture yet, but she wasn't a main pop girlie until 1989 in 2014
@@burnt.norton@religion_honeymoon I think that Billie is the only person out of them to reach true stardom. Also her music is just way better than both olivia or tate, and she has a much clearer identity and brand
this was a very interesting discussion. i’ll be 29 this year and im not in the demographic of some of the artists you mentioned but i do love sabrina. shes amazing and the way she performs hooks you in. and ive been a fan of troye since happy little pill and im so happy he’s finally getting the recognition he deserves. ive been listening to his new project on loop. i do think the pandemic made the rise of tiktok artists succeed over radio hits. i think radio has been declining and it really took a hit when people were forced to stay home and even now, more people work from home than before 2020. i personally only listened to the radio in the car, on my way to work. but since ive been working from home the past 4 years, i dont think i listened to the radio since. i do have hope for new artist to have the potential to become huge pop artists, they just need time.
The funniest thing is… this trend has happened in EVERY decade to some extent. There have always been artists of the moment, and legacy artists. Songs in the 50s were under three minutes (in some cases even under 2 minutes) and singles were always the focus. Until artists could provide enough value to bring an album (and cause the medium was the literal album). And another consistency is, labels or companies that invested in artist development (Atlantic, Motown, Interscope), always trumped the other labels and artists of their time. Great video 💖
I’m glad you mentioned Fergie. She was in her bag in the 2000s, she was everywhere! It just sucks that people undermine her legacy nowadays. She is a pop girlie!
I know Olivia Rodrigo is already pretty famous, but I think she is sooo talented. She can sing and I think she has the talent and mind to become one of the best lyricists of all time. I really truly believe she might develop into Taylor Swift level lyricism.
In all honesty Rina Sawayama is a force of her own in the music industry. Like listen to her songs XS, Frankenstein, and Hold the girl and tell me that she isn't pop perfection
Check the community tab on my channel page, I created a poll for you guys to vote on who you think is next up😉
@mtv-vevoRAYE is slept on and I don’t understand why, her album, her tour, her singles she had in the past. That young lady has IT!!! that’s a mystery that I still can’t figure out since based off in the caliber of work she’s put she should be a lot bigger
@mtv-vevo i commented something about this too! escapism was exactly what pop music needs and i really hope raye releases similar music. I just gave prada a listen and while it’s not something i see going viral in the usa, it does have a 2010s european club music kind of vibe. Not something i’d purposely put on though, while escapism is something i still like to listen to even a year later.
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Slayyyter, her album STARFUCKER is the greatest pop record released this decade and her album closer Out of Time is the best pop song ever made
I need to just mention Raye, PinkPanthress, Renee Rapp, Spencer Southerland, Caroline Polachek, and Chappell Roan. They absolutely killed it last year with their debuts and Caroline Polachek was ABSOLUTELY ROBBED FOR BEST POP VOCAL ALBUM AT THE SCAMMYS.
"fast food era of music" is such a perfect way to describe it.
No really!! Like easy to consume, tasty for a minute but afterwards you’re like “what’s next” or “i’m still hungry”. The girls ain’t feeding us no more!!
@@CamrynSuzanne the proteins are missing lol
@@blveflame exactly 😂
@@CamrynSuzanne great video, I do think Pop music is dying, it’s forgettable compared to the 2010s in 2000s. it’s all about going viral on TikTok.
@@123theprodigy5 thanks for tuning in!! Yeah just doesn’t have that same essence of the 2000s and the 2010s
You forgot to mention a pretty big factor: nostalgia-bait, EVERYONE is using nostalgia and samples (that are sooo unnecessary) to sell, i read a tweet that said it's sad the newer generations are gonna grow without characteristic traits cause all they do is emulate and reference things that have been done before and it's so true 😕 we need someone that's not afraid to try to create new unseen things beyond “sex sells” and religious mockery for shock value
I really wanna do a video on nostalgia baiting and how it’s taking over. In music, heavily in movies! This is an excellent topic i’m more than willing to expand on in a video
@@CamrynSuzanne please do! It's a thing that has permeated all the culture, whether it's music or movies, the longing for “better, simpler times”, it's really interesting
@@user-mz2ne4yh2t i’m on it!! Thanks for this
Agreed! The sampling has been out of control
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I think another reason why we don’t idolize these pop artists as much today is just because times have changed. We have the world at our fingertips our attention spans have gotten shorter, there are constantly new shiny things to rave about, we’re not forced to consume what comes up on our tv. Things will never be the same as it was in the 2010s
You hit the nail on the head for real. I think that point alone is a huge reason as to why things will never fully be the same especially when it comes to pop, stardom and celebrities
@jordybell1basic ass pop, current music is better
@jordybell1 well yes, and for me its better, cause raw, honest and non superficial music with real instruments in it >>> 2010s superficial pop
I disagree the reason why people don't idolize these celebrities anymore is because we now how problematic a lot of these celebs are. In the past no one knew anything beyond the tabloids.
i kinda miss the time we were forced to listen or watch something tho. It let us discover many more artists and genres of songs. Some songs i wouldn't re-listen to it but i have to until i kinda like that song
TikTok is probably what went wrong with pop
I agree. That app is the reason why artists are not authenthic anymore. They even tried to get Adele to do tiktok music😭
It was already dying in the mid or late 2010s.
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hip hop took over
Britney Spears and Michael Jackson are the two names that always enter my mind when I think of pop music, because them two were literally the definition of pop and two of the greatest of all time
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Toxic still goes hard
Madonna should be over Britney tho
@@kruggyylmao hell no
@@kruggyyI agree. And Janet too
Lana del Rey isn‘t exactly a popstar but her album Born To Die changed pop music. Her sound was so different and had a major influence on the genre. She‘s also still super popular despite her sound not catering to what‘s currently trendy.
And our queen is going COUNTRY I love her
Agreed even though I don't like Lana
But still flop
@@aumonsonprasithow is it flopping it it’s getting Grammy nominations 😭
@@aumonsonprasitLMAO ARE YOU SLOW???
Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Rihanna, Ariana Grande are some of the last pop giants really doing pop like no one. It's sad that it's fading away....😢
Are you sure about taylor fading away?? beyonce is also doing great.
@@umm_mmm i mean women doing pop like that NOT them fading away
Yep, pop giants is definitely the word. Literally one of a kind talent and we’ll never see it completely replicated . Like what a great era🥲
@@umm_mmm yeah tay tay been killing it lately
@@maika2727 ohh
I feel like we lost a lot of the lore when social media dawned. Once we got to see more and more of our favorite celebrities and pop stars they became less of a fantasy. I feel that is why Beyonce is someone who people stick around for, she still gives us everything and she does not really have a social media presence. She maintained that lore and people cannot predict what she will give us next.
I agree
"pop stars became less of a fantasy". have you been living under a rock, and somehow never heard of Swifties? Social media has done the exact opposite of what you claim. Its exacerbated celebrity culture to new extremes - where people feel confident in expressing their delusions and absurd obsessions because they witness and/or join the many others online doing/feeling the same.
@@LD-tn6ff ik this was weeks ago but i feel like both is happening at the same time somehow. its crazy out here
Ehhh..:.Michael Jackson is the king of pop and I don’t think he was all that private, especially since people were obsessed with him.
exactly this!
Sabrina Carpenter is definitely stardom material. Her voice, her songwriting, her personality, her style, HER MUSIC! Everything about her is Popstar worthy. I’ve known her since her Disney debut, I’ve listen to all her albums, and I’m so glad that people are finally recognizing her talent.
I’m seeing so many people disagree but I agree. I just think she has that factor that you can’t teach, we can’t force it. I think she’s here to stay!
I don't really see the fascination with her, I feel like she's something I've seen before, nothing new, just repackage & reintroduced.
@@bodhisattva2348 Considering she’s been in the industry for nearly a decade now, she’s bound to have done a lot of reinventing of herself. In my opinion, she has evolved wonderfully, and so has her music. You might think you’ve seen it done before, but Sabrina’s uprising is certainly a special one. Despite how slow it might be, we’re still at the beginning of her career heightening. She’s bringing something new to the table that some people just don’t see yet.
Any person who says this about her is feeding of a parasocial relationship.
I really tried to get into her stuff but tbh I highly doubt she would do music without the fame from Disney.
@Hoeee I'm looking at her like: what's new, special or different ?🤔
‘Future Nostalgia’ by Dua Lipa indeed marked the most recent notable moment in pop.
Its critical acclaim and commercial success showcase its huge impact.
YUP, that was a greatttt album. The girl is a hit maker
girl what about midnights?
@@user-bc5mv2ot8k please
@@user-bc5mv2ot8k I'm a taylor fan but that album is not her best. Sure, Anti-hero became a radio hit but that's it. For me it seems like people barely remember that era since taylor herself moved on really quickly from it and kept on releasing re-recordings instead of promoting Midnights.
However, Taylor was one of the most important figures in pop music in the past few years. Her re-recordings were all great successes and The Eras Tour was very memorable.
@@user-bc5mv2ot8k girl who gives a fuck about midnights lol
I blame social media for the decay of pop music. It's sad.
social media is highkey the reason for the decay of society it's sooo sad
Blame social media for everything wrong with society today
@@CamrynSuzanne yet..nobody gets off it or tries to make it better lol
@daisygonzalez3159 and bro there is literally nothing we can do, until everyone can notice the wrong that comes out of those apps
@@xxxarimaxxxBut you're commenting on a video made on a big social media site.
"Video killed the radio star" 1979
Instagram killed the video star? 2024
Back in 2010, my 80 years old grandma knew who Katy Perry, Beyonce, Brytney Spears and Lady Gaga were because the girlies were putting in the work. They were performing on live TV shows with large audience, doing radio interviews right, left and center (I'm from Europe).
Nowadays she would have NO CLUE who Olivia Rodrigo or SZA are, even Dua Lipa and Harry Styles I fear.
Even I, a very invested pop listener, can't name a single song of Bad Bunny or Sabrina Carpenter.
Because the promo game has changed, and labels will not pay the money to get them performing accross the world anymore. It's all about having a moment on tiktok, and spotify playlisting. Very very few will reach a wide demographics and become pop icons now.
exactly this is the first time I’m hearing of the artist Tate and I haven’t seen Sabrina Carpenter since 2014 on Disney Channel I didn’t even know she made music!
and IM 18 YEARS OLD.
The pop scene definitely is not what it was when we were kids in the 2000s and 2010s
Pop actually just became decent music and not vapid trash enabled by autotune
I mean Bad Bunny isn’t really a pop singer
Im in my 20s and i dont even know a single song of this bad bunny guy, i only know him because i saw pics of him and kendal jenner on my insta explore page (i don't follow the kardashians tho, they just pop out randomly there). I am in Europe and artists like Sza don't really blow up here so yeah, i don't know her songs too. I check who wins the grammys every year and sadly i don't know most of these people, only their names, like victoria monet because she works with ariana grande. Dua was quite a huge artist and her future nostalgia really resonated with me (so as Positions) because it was my 'fall in love' era, yk, a covid relationship. But i don't think people in late 40s know dua's name. I really grieve pop and i don't think it can be saved, ariana did come back but her track wasn't that big of a bop and i think her album will be more like a beyonce's lemonade (her album revolves around the theme of sad events in her life, marriage breaking apart) than TUN or even Sweetener (which i really like because this is my aesthetic graal, i am stuck at nude colors era and forever will be. God, even Taylors albums seem more nieche now and she doesn't have as big songs as her 'i knew you were trouble' or 'wildest dreams', 'blank space'.
2012 was the last big shift that significantly altered how people listen to music, music became more accessible than ever, both to produce and to listen. Which devolved the dominance of pop and alternative music. These things can still find audiences (sometimes more then ever), but it's much easier to not hear about or engage with things if you don't want. And these shifts have been happening since the 90s with the birth of the internet and continue today.
I really feel like Dua Lipa has so much potential to become a true pop icon when we look back at the music of today. She's already had numerous huge hits like Levitating, Don't Start Now, One Kiss, New Rules, Cold Heart, even Dance The Night from Barbie. Her latest album 'Future Nostalgia' was a perfect pop album with strong 80s synth influence while still being very modern and I think that combination of eras of pop was a big part of it's success. I also think she has that strong sense of 'image' (from how she previews her music (being very mysterious about Houdini) to fans and how she exists on social media) that big pop artists had in the 2000s and 2010s but is sort of lacking in artist's now (besides my girl Olivia Rodrigo she has purple locked in). Also no shade to the Olivia's and Tate's of pop but I do sorta believe Dua's age (not that she's old by any means but she's 28 compared to Olivia/Tate who are literally 20) might play a role in this as her voice + image has had more time to mature. I won't hide that I'm a Dula Peeper which might make me a liiiitle biased but I do believe she has so much more potential and talent to be shown even after already having numerous global hits
I agree, shes actually one of the few genuine POP musicians
Dua is the thing. No need for more explanations.
I agree but I’m also biased bc I’m a dula peeper
dua is the IT factor of our generation, her music sounds very different from the other new pop girls, because as you commented her age and time in the industry has helped her shaped her identity as a pop artist, needless to say I'm excited for her new album
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I think Ellie Goulding REALLY helped define the sound of the 2010’s.
Think about it… Lights, Love Me Like You Do, Burn, I Need Your Love, Outside…. EVERYONE knows and loves these songs 🔥
Omg!! I can’t believe I forgot ellie. I loved her music fr
@@CamrynSuzanne her 2020’s music is even better fr fr
Her last album higher than heaven is good as hell
Electropop music, the sounds of the 2010s.
I’m a fan of her . I’m a Goulddigger 😎😎😎😈😈🔥🔥🔥
i think a reason why t swift could regain such an extreme, extreme power (something you can't tell me she didn't) is because she is one of the only ones that actually still has the vibe of a popstar from the early 2010 (big tour, prominent boyfriend, lots of new and exciting music, long career) and she really feeds into that nostalgia that many people are experiencing (for example with her rerecordings)
Taylor Swift saw the most notable spikes in influence, popularity, and significance within the last 2 years - an era she WASNT EVEN RELEASING NEW MUSIC. No one even admits her last album midnights is her best work, or frankly even a great album. That inherently means theres something else going on all of a sudden other than music. I personally just think shes become the Stanley cup of the musical industry where social media has led young people to compete in obsessing over her in order to fit in. I promise you this, that her place at the top will be very short lived. People will of course still be fans to an extent, but she will CERTAINLY not have a decades long influence over the direction of pop music. Especially considering only one demographic of people listen to her music - white, straight, cis girls under the age of 35.
@@LD-tn6ffactually, with the amount of hate towards her that comes with the popularity, I’ve seen more people hate her than like her and more people hate fans of her as well. I am a teenage girl who loves her music and i get made fun of, especially by guys, because of it. I don’t think too many people are listening to her to “fit in” because of how much some people will make fun of you for liking her but because they genuinely love her music.
@@LD-tn6ff ??? You do realise she has an insanely large fan base outside of the West? Cis, straight white girls aren't the only ones listening to her.
@@LD-tn6ff I'm not white, straight, or cis. I'm the biggest swiftie. I know many people who don't fit into your fake standard either who also like her. If you haven't seen any good reviews of midnights, or ttpd now, you clearly haven't been paying attention. Please grow up. Stop targetting the fans.
@@insthehuffle calm down Karen. she’s a global star with millions upon millions of fans. Just because you’re an anomoly, doesn’t change the fact that 95% plus of her audience is the same exact demographic of people - particularly in the US. Bragging that you’re in that remaining
Pop girlies like Tate, Olivia, and Sabrina are still developing their styles and their voices are still maturing. I feel we need to give these girls so more time. Tate is actually a decent lyricist as well as Oliva. Plus, they are all very young and some have experienced less in life than others. Life experiences influences music heavily so give em a min. We must also recognize that music has changed. We see the changes in rap, and RnB, and now we see it in pop. We cannot complain about a change that we as audience allowed to occur. If you believe this is half baked pop, then why stream and tune into half-baked pop. Even if it was just one song? we allowed this change so to complain about it is a no.
I would also like to add that many of these artists want to be more expressive and creative and we as consumers don't allow that. Every time an artist tries to evolve into a new style or get deeper with their lyrics or try a new concept etc. the public rejects it immediately, simply because it's not what we are used to. We as consumers limit our artist then complain about it as if they aren't going back in the studio and cooking up something generic because their personal creative piece wasn't received well by the confused and judgmental. We need to allow artist to venture in different genres and creative outlets. This could probably easy the issues we have with music today.
That’s the problem with the pop music these days, we expect them to come out and not already have the it factor but back in the day an artist could never debut without their company making sure the artist is in top shape
@@A.J.0606that’s not really true tho bc if you look at older performances from iconic pop stars…they kind of suck. Their vocals were not it, but they grew! I feel like there’s so much more criticism now to be the best right at the beginning of your career
U are so righttttt!!!
sabrina has been here for a while
first of all, THANK YOU for mentioning Shakira in the 2000s pop music section! for some reason most americans don't really include her in these sort of conversations when she literally opened doors for non-english speakers to have mainstream success in the states. i feel like she's one of those people who you at least know their name, which is extremely impressive considering most of her catalog is in spanish.
i feel like the biggest problem right now with pop music is the listeners who don't give anyone a chance to succeed. the biggest examples of this to me would be olivia and tate, cuz i vividly remember how much hate olivia got when drivers license first started to get big until she was successful enough for ppl to actually like her, same thing happening now with tate. i do agree tho that the music isn't comparable to what the girls were giving before the 2020s (except for sabrina, she easily would've been a main pop girl since 2018 if she didn't go from a terrible label to another)
Shakira definitely deserves her flowers! She is one of the best performers period. And I agree, people do always want something to complain about. I think we have to give things some time to stick. It's a transition period we're in. People tend to hate before they join the bandwagon. Like I said, as much as people claim to hate Tate or think she has nothing. The fact she's causing all this conversation says something! She's doing something right.
Yea I love shakira I was a huge fan when her song "Whenever wherever" was released I was about 5 or 6 and I was so invested in her for year's when she was releasing album's Spanish or English I was on it my favorite album from her is "She Wolf" and her self titled album "Shakira" 😭😩
latin pop was so huge in the early 2000s. Shakira, JLo, Ricky Martin, Enrique Iglesias, Thalia, Juanes. people like to skip over it but it was pretty iconic
Listening to Shakira was a life changing experience
@@wildwitchwest Pitbull too. I don't think I've not seen anyone get down to I Know You Want Me/Calle Ocho.
i can definitely see sabrina carpenter being a household name. she has it all. lyrics, performance, confidence, the voice, the look, the halloween costume effect, everything. she’s been doing music for a while and just keeps growing
I literally dressed up as her twice lol
Agree, she’s on a similar trajectory as 2010s Arianna Grande
What is Halloween costume effect?
@@jellyrcw12 it means that an artist has something easily recognizable about their image or personal style that can be replicated as a Halloween costume
Yess like I’ve been Supporting Sabrina Carpenter since 2016 and if you want to explore her music, go listen to singular act one and singular act two. she has been putting out pop music
As an upcoming pop artist I think it’s really hard to break through the boundary of people’s attention spans BUT ALSO! Because these artists that blew up in the late 2000s and 2010s are still huge like Taylor Swift and Beyoncé it makes it very hard to take the spotlight away from them, leaving little space for new artists to emerge. It is an exhausting cycle and it does make me sad tbh 😢
@@TONIIMUSIC I think more the issue is the pendulum is slowly starting to swing back to rock and metal. With so many pop, rap, and country acts either doing covers or asking singers, guitar players etc to be on there albums.
Even when not on the radio many rock and metal acts are playing at some of the biggest and oldest festivals right now in the world.
Also, it really takes time. It took ariana 3-4 albums to find her own sound. Rihanna was always compared to Beyonce in the 2000s. Lady Gaga was blamed for copying Madonna, and those are just a few examples.
Yes, yes yes. A lot of these artists took years and years to get to the global status that they’re at now. Most of these girls didn’t have it handed to them on a platter they had to work for it. However, from their talent was undeniable.
@@CamrynSuzanne just like Tate MCrae's dancing talent is undeniable or Olivia's writing talent is undeniable
Thought Ari sees herself as an rnb singer lol
@@lynninfinite our girl can do both!
its also interesting because Ariana actually started off as a pop artist who GREW to her level of greatness that she's at today, she debuted sucessfully, but she wasn't revered as pop music iconography up until Sweetener/Thank U, Next.
Yeah, thank u, next really changed the game. She definitely had some successful singles by that point, but I think thank you next elevated her to completely new height.
she was alr a superstar by the time my everything (her 2nd album) was out. break free, love me harder were everywhere. and her top popstar status came in the dangerous woman era imo
DW and some tracks on my everything cemented her as a pop artist, like the zedd colab she did. But her new sound doesn't actually give the stay quality that TUN gave, positions were a lot more chill and ES will be even more because its more of a story teller album.
Industry plant Ariana
@@zenboy1612oh please💀
When Doja Cat FINALLY decides to act right, she’ll be RULING! She sings well, raps well, has her look, the concepts, the statements! SOMEONE GET HER OFF HER PHONE AND LETS SEE😩
she is insanely popular already, it's the fact that she's a horrible person in general that throws me off. she has some amazing songs I won't lie, but knowing what shes like I wouldn't feel good listening to her
Not to mention she creates a lot her own beats and instrumentals! She also has an extremely clever way of sampling from diverse genres to create a new unique sound. She has some producers she works with now, but its how she started before she got famous. Everything was 100% all her. Insanely talented. I stay a fan hoping she gets better. To me she’s on par with my queens Nicki, Beyoncé and Ari, which is rare to see these days.
Yeah to the act right part because she’s been irritating as of late 💀 but she is so well rounded and makes bangers fr
@@fretti17 yes that’s exactly what throws me off w/ doja, her personality. Coming for her fans, the ppl she associates with. Chronically online. I get that stardom can’t be easy but when you attack your own fans… what’s really going on?
@@sarahtheegemini yeah, I do think Doja is just an overall great musician. She has the talent to know what sounds right, and what’s fresh, and brings her own twist to it. She’s extremely talented. I can’t take that away from her.
im definitely extremely biased, but i think olivia is definitely a contender for a big popstar, and i think the guts tour has made that much more obvious. she's really grown so much since sour, both in confidence and sound, and with the way she's unafraid to explore different genres and expand upon her own musicality (along with her overwhelming standing in the industry already), i really hope to see her grow to the levels we're so used to from the 2000s and 2010s.
same
Yes, you are extremely biased she lacks originality
I literally had to force myself to listen to her new album because im already so bored of her. She appears so ordinary or dime-a-dozen, and while her voice is technically "good", it's CERTAINLY nothing unique. Imagine thinking Olivia is on par to people like Michael Jackson or Madonna. Do you really think Olivia offers a decades long cultural impact on music that hasn't already been done to death?
@@LD-tn6ff ”Imagine thinking Olivia is on par to people like Michael Jackson or Madonna.”
Nobody said that. Do you always respond to people praising an artist they like with annoying condescension?
@@marianaflores2592 But who's original nowadays? It's so so difficult to make an original track when there's sooo many, we're so oversaturated that we don't think anyone's "good" anymore.
Olivia is good at what she does, I don't think she's absolute one in a million star quality but her energy is contagious. Her lyrics are written well and her tracks have the perfect vibe, like it's so easy to relate to her emotions because she's genuine. She's just started out her career too, and I think we need to give these singers a chance. Some songs are questionable, yes but most of you guys just follow a band wagon when critiquing someone instead of actually js letting go of any prejudice.
Also she's one of the few singers who writes their own songs, and so well too. She has a great essence in her music and stage presence. Like she emulates the feelings she sings about perfectly even if she's "over" the situation.
I totally agree with Victoria Monet. I saw her live and i was starstruck. Not many of the new pop girls can sing and dance simultaneously. Victoria did that essentially throughout her entire show. Like literally signing while dancing. I was shook. Her album is varied in sound but cohesive and well put together. (Other albums lately just feel like a bunch of random songs thrown together). She has a jungle theme, retro theme, and brown color aesthetic going on. I seriously can’t recommend her enough. I’m glad she’s starting to get her flowers now. To me dancing is such an important aspect of music/performance that reminds me of the greats like Beyonce, Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson. (Not comparing Victoria to them but u gotta admire her work ethic. It must take so much skill and practice to sing and dance)
Edit: Normani too! I made another comment for her :)
victoria monét and don’t forget, NORMANIIIII!!!!!!!
@@joebellenotarte Definitely Normani as well! I made another comment for Normani 🔥
You say that as if kpop doesn’t exist
@@sosm5709 I think it's focused on western Pop. Plus Kpop isn't the only one with singers who sing and dance. There's other pop musics especially in Asia as well so yeah.
I unfortunately couldn’t go to the concert and I was so upset, but I watched the full thing and she just radiates! She’s so polished, experienced passionate. Sings live. She has the recipe of what a popstar is!! Her image is packaged perfectly like she has it!!
I think you nailed it!
People don't want a re-make of somebody else. We don't want someone to emulate someone else. We want someone authentic, real, whatever that looks like.
Personally I want another Lady Gaga, mixing art with the shock factor + talent.
Hopefully we'll get someone soon that sparks a new era for pop music.
That’s what I’m saying. I feel like the new upcoming pop girls know the assignment because they all have different sounds and different styles and personalities that make them stand out from each other and that is a good thing
Have you listened to SOPHIE?
check out chappell roan's album "the rise and fall of a midwest princess" if you haven't already!
I feel like Billie Eilish kind of filled that need for a while cause she was just making her music by herself and her brother when she was a teen, now that she's mainstream that effect fades a little and that's the problem now. going mainstream kills the authenticity
I think Billie deserves her flowers. Her sound is really innovative. In my opinion, she developed her own subgenre with her first album. At least, I don't recall any notable artists with her sound before she blew up. Generally, her songwriting is incredibly mature. Her lyrics are often very profound and feel geniune, and the production of her songs is immaculate. Especially on that first album, her storytelling and sound was so cohesive and well-developed. People shit on her vocals, but I think her softer delivery is very deliberate. It suits her music, it requires more control than people realize, and it's instantly recognizable. Not to mention, her aesthetics are also iconic. Her outfits and hair are distinct in the current pop landscape. She's a global star, with a shit ton of streams and radio hits. She's also got a mountain of accolades. All of this, and she's still in her early twenties. She's already cemented herself as an icon in my opinion... imagine what she will go on to do
it seems like she really knows who she is, too. its refreshing
is she pop?
Kudos to her awesome bro too, dude is another level genuis
yeah but she isn't really pop music in the sense of the word
I'm not really a fan of her songs (too slow for me), but I can recognize Billie really IS all that. Great music production and melody, great lyrics, identifiable brand/look, amazing vocals, etc. I haven't seen her perform, but she checks all other boxes.
To the people that complain about her very light singing voice, it's part of her branding! Makes the audience immediately recognize her songs and stand out.
She's one of the first names that come to mind when I think of great current artists. Her fans can be a bit obnoxious tho 😅
I definitely think Sabrina is on the rise, and I think she's here to stay. She has a lot of qualities that people really enjoy, she has a relatable energy to her. She really does everything her own way. She combats controversy with confidence and she's so self-assured. I like that, in regards to her music, she's able to hit a couple different key components, she does the upbeat and catchy thing really really well, but also, on her emails I can't send album, the songwriting was the best I've ever seen from her. And let's just be real, she has the look... like come on... She's gorgeous... and she has successfully (in my opinion) hit her own niche style that suits her and separates her from the masses well. The chunky boots, heart dresses and mini skirts, she's got her own vibe in the making. Like, someone could dress up as her for Halloween and you'd definitely know who they were dressed as. But yeah, I totally adore her if that wasn't obvious LOL
I would say the same but she's 10 years into her career and still not rised yet
@@sarabsd. right
@@sarabsd.good music takes time
@@sarabsd. espresso is blowing the hell up rn
@@sarabsd.she is rising right now, her name is circulating more and more and people are paying more attention.
The artists during the 90s and early y2k set the bar high, and walked so current artists could run. We won’t ever be able to recreate the pop craze that was in the early 2000s. No one will EVER replicate what Beyoncé, Brittany Spears, Janet Jackson, ETC. did for the culture.
However, I don’t believe that takes away from the talent that modern day artists have. There are hidden gems beyond what is shown in the mainstream, and upcoming artists that have yet to be discovered.
I've seen people say its because labels aren't letting artists grow like they used to. They keep pumping them out before they're ready and the fizzle without a long lasting impact
Yeah I think we kinda gotta accept the magic of the 2000s is just that…magic! We had one of a kind pop stars and artists that will Never be able to be replicated.
And yes that’s one reason why at the end I wanted to highlight so talent that is apart of this modern day pop gen. Because there is absolutely talent
@@Lildeadthing420 foresure, I do think labels are part to blame and aren’t investing in artists like they used to. But maybe they see the current landscape of music and think it’s no worth it
my favorite popstar might be gwen stefani, this sounds hella wrong cuz it was kinda racist but im referring to her harajuku era. 2010's holds a special place in my heart with lady gaga and nicki minaj tho they were the best.
Lady Gaga is the last great popstar.
Personally, I think Olivia, Sabrina, and Tate have a lot of potential to be prominent in the industry. They all have been in the spotlight for years and Sabrina has been in the industry since she was 15. I think there was a lot of growth and change between Olivia’s debut and GUTS, and the fact that Tate is having so much discourse around her shows people care. Lots of people love and hate Taylor Swift and Ariana Grande for example but that’s because they’re prominent in the industry, which I feel like this could be the beginning for Tate and Olivia. As well as Sabrina when it comes to pop.
same there my fav artists
Olivia , sabrina , tate etc are not finding immesnse success like 2010s artist is because music is moving too fast. Taylor immaculate success has people thinking ariana , rihanna , katy , dua etc can pull off big numbers in 2024 which is very unlikely because Taylor numbers were always through the roof since 2010,. It be interesting to see how good these big artist do in 2024.
@@Flixtex i disagree with Sabrina on that, shes been building her career for years, its just that only now shes actually blowing up for it. If she continues in this direction, i think she could become really big. For olivia and tate tho like you said its gonna take time
@@izzy5860What. Olivia is much more popular than Sabrina lol.
@@izzy5860i love all three of them and i have to disagree with you. olivia is the most successful so far and some of her songs are huge worldwide. tate has greedy which is huge worldwide as well. this gives them both a headstart, particularly olivia bc she has multiple. while sabrina has some decently big songs, none of them are huge worldwide songs. i love them and i’m huge fans of them all, and want them to be successful, but when it comes to likelihoods for who will be most famous, sabrina is at a disadvantage😔 let’s see if that changes this year
I’m surprised Olivia wasn’t mentioned as potential to be a pop main. I’m not even a fan like that but she’s the first person that came to mind. She may not be the dancing performer type like a lot of the rest of them but to me she falls under more of the Taylor Swift, Adele category - where it’s more about the resonance of their music and lyrics. I have a feeling she’ll stand the test of time
Fr, Olivia is the obvious answer
Her music is bland break up negative songs. Her lyrics are equivalent to a 7th grader’s text. Not to mention most of her popular songs are not original and are plagiarised. This is coming from someone who use to be her fan.
@@Al3xAckermanbasic lyrics never held anybody back. She’s sticking around for sure
@@Al3xAckerman Her lyrics add to the fun! I'm guessing youre referencing songs like get him back! but the lyrics being kinda silly is the whole point and enhances the fun beat. I also don't agree with your first point; lacy, all american bitch, teenage dream, making the bed, pretty in't pretty, hope ur ok, jealousy jealousy, ballad of a homeschooled girl... all not about break ups and all great songs with great lyrics imo. Lacy is poetry, all american bitch is the pop punk song of my dreams etc etc
@@oliviarodrigno exactly!!
I love how you are so fair while talking about everything, mentioning the positives, while pointing out the missing pieces
Ima be honest, I think the K-pop girlies got it at this point. There’s definitely been a shift in what the public expects now when it comes to crazy cheoro, visuals, and sound.
Yep! But I’ll challenge you and say that their market is getting really over saturated right now too. I do also think that it’s heavily emphasizing visuals a lot too, I mean they always have but it feels much worse. And it’s causing so many idols to end their lives and it’s hard. Also, the new idols can’t really sing as well as others (with outliers like Aespa and Nmixx cause whew! 🤧) I think it’s a general problem
Tru but their music is going down in quality in a similar way so soon it’s kinda expected there won’t be any big kpop stars anymore in 10 years. In 2035 there’s probably gonna be a video about the decline of kpop mentioning girls generation, super junior, tvxq, Big Bang, exo, Blackpink, BTS, twice, got7, seventeen, ive, le sserafim, new jeans, etc all wondering where it went wrong
@@kamhardee8558 the K-pop market been over saturated if we’re really talking. I’d say after the 3 gen it just became like a build a bear factory, where most groups didn’t even make it past a year after debut. But even with that said, that’s pretty much the time period it started to STAY in the western market, you know what I mean?? BTS and blackpink pretty much sealed the deal the K-pop is here to stay.
@@Vivi-Violet I’ve definitely noticed the quality is crashing and burning, following TikTok trends and what not. There are very few groups where every member has a strong voice and can sing (shinee, new jeans, tvxq) it’s become a popularity contest more than raw talent for sure.
@@bonbon6.235 it is a bit sad how most of the groups that are notable for having great singers are all older, peaking when the pop industry peaked in the 2000s/2010s. I don’t hate newer groups for not having the same ability, it’s just sad seeing that their companies don’t care about them enough to train them properly.
Judging by the comments and making my own reflection on the subjects I’ve realized female pop is going to be alright. I even have the feeling that the music industry will be Ruled by female artist primarily✨ The question is are there any male pop stars besides JB, Harry and Shawn?? Haven’t heard of any for the last couple of years… Shawn was the youngest to come up to the scene and it’s been 7-8 years…
Yeah, to be honest, that might be the bigger question at this point because a lot of people aren’t talking about a lot of male artists. Solo artist, at least
and harry’s the only one that’s relevant atm
if you want to listen to pop boys that are underrated listen to conan gray and isaac dunbar
@@Me-vn3gzI've followed Conan since his CZcams channel when he did stationary hauls and covers and stuff and it's been so amazing watching him grow and succeed
What about Bruno Mars? Is he not a pop artist??
it's so refreshing to actually hear another person give Katy Perry the praise she deserves as a pop icon 💯🙌
Not enough people do it! She was amazing
I think people forget that she was dropping back to back hits for years in the 2010s. I also believe she helped to bring in a new wave of style and videography with her eccentric music videos and performances. Most of her biggest hits have over a billion views on the music videos
She was, she is and will be!! KP6 will be her comeback to mainstream
@@manuelramirez745 i will be there!!
@@heav2582 agreed! People need to put respect on her name forreal
I remember ppl saying stuff like this specifically regarding when Ariana and Taylor were coming up an how it wasn’t the 90s anymore. Given time you’ll forget people weren’t born stars and weren’t always excepted into the community for being too modern. That being Sabrina is the next one. We lv her she’s going to be it, rn she’s going stylized but she has super powerful vocals if you look back a little
Tyla!!!!! That’s what I think is missing, the stage presence in a lot of these new stars. And Victoria Monet is everything. You hit the nail on the head with them
Real recognize real!
i cant wait for an album from her omgg
we don’t want her she’s a 🦝
Pop music in the 2010s was definitely a peak time. I loved how back then R&B artists collaborated more with pop or EDM artists unlike now. I loved me some Fergie and Black Eyed Peas!!! I wonder how pop will evolve in the 2020s…
Hey makayla girl!!🤩 you bring up such a good point. The collaborations are lacking. Like remember when Beyoncé and Lady Gaga collaborated, the Internet broke. miss it too. It just doesn’t feel the same, I wonder if it’s because we’re getting older
there was some gems in 2010 but not as good as time pass. I think peak late 1990s because there was more variety back then. also sells peak around late 1990s. I felt in 2010s the pop music was get worst. though I am a 90s kid. pop music is first party music. so labels create pop stars. today they just do not have money to create good ones.
@@CamrynSuzannethat collaboration was so iconic and it’s really sad to see the lack of art, meaning, and substance in music today which that song had so much of. You’d think music would be progressing and evolving to be better over time, but to me, a majority of it is getting worse.
@@spark300cTBH, 2010s clubbing, EDM and pop era far surpass 90s pop. That era was peak for Hip Hop and Indie. Mariah was carrying Pop back then. The 2010s had Justin Bieber, Ariana, Nicki, Taylor, One Direction, Katy Perry, Ellie Goulding, Lady Gaga, One Direction, Ed Sheeran, Bruno Mars, Beyoncé, Drake even Britney and Black Eyed Peas were still putting out hits. That list isn’t even the half of it. So many eternal pop stars came from the last decade and most of them were at their peaks. Competition was fierce
@@mgp1203Eurodance was iconic in the 90's and I refuse to listen to recycled versions of those songs that were already perfect. It's like getting your favourite jewellery melted to turn it into a trendy piece.
My money is on Tyla. She has a style thats her thing and a sound thats like no other, Popiano. Plus she has stage presence and a great voice. Personality tops too
That’s what i’m sayin!!
nah. she’s beautiful but poppin off half based on a gimmick (her little dance) screams one hit wonder to me. and has she managed to make an impact on the charts at all yet bc without tiktok aint no one know that girl. IF she gets the right ppl behind her for the long haul she could become the new riri but major labels don’t want to do that long haul stuff anymore so it’s hard to say. she def has the right look for success but beyond that ….
No
I’m waiting for her album to see. I’m not sure if she is just popular now and will eventually be forgotten. I hope not bc she is very talented!
She will probably be just another Tinashe, one hit wonder. She has no aura/personality of her own, except for her little dance. Call me a hater, but it’s the truth. She’s definitely being pushed a lot tho, she had a great management, so maybe that will play a good role. Hope so, I like her
These days it feels like Dua Lipa is my pick for pop icon specifically. When it comes to pop as a genre… k-pop has definitely grabbed my attention better than most things released these days. like you want catchy songs you can sing and dance too? It’s gonna be k-pop
I've been loving Dua
The term “pop” star is so whitewashed. I think artist like “ Bree Runway” are so iconic and really give you what you have been missing in pop but because she’s a dark skinned woman doing pop music she’s not considered
Teaaa… honestly, that’s a whole other conversation that I’d love to do in another video. Because how do we consider certain people pop and not pop? It does tend to favor, white artist versus black artist. I low-key wanted to touch on that but I didn’t want this video to be two hours.
I feel like Bree is not considered much because her music falls flat, it doesn't fully have the spark and pop element that is catchy in some way and not because she's dark skinned lol
@@fdpcompdm you’re welcome to your opinion, but a lot of people may disagree with that statement . I think she is more interesting of an artist then Tate McRae by a long run, no shade to her
@@CamrynSuzanneyesss I feel like Nicki is a rapper but I can’t lie she was the queen of pop in the 2010s, not just her music but she was everywhere and her style was really giving pop.
@nalalala2 hot hot and Gucci are works of art !! I even think Doja has mentioned taking inspiration from Bree Runway and Doechii. I hate to bring in that card , but, I think if Bree Or doechii were of lighter complexion but doing the same thing they would be huge by now .
Kpop has a similar problem in 4th and 5th gen vocals are a lot less important. Most company care more about dancing and visuals because most groups lip sync now as the standard. I’ve been pleasantly surprised with groups singing live well when most of the time it’s LAR performance, but when it comes to being a vocalist, kpop companies and fans seem to care a lot less. Shout out to Nmixx for being amazing and keeping live singing alive
Exactly. That's why i'm exited about kiss of life
nct can’t relate 🗣🗣🗣
Kiss of Life and Nmixx are some of the only 4th/5th Gen female Kpop groups that can actually sing live pretty well and prioritize vocals. We need more groups like them in the future
not TXT though, they have tough choreo but always sing live
Y’all say this but who tf are you even talking about cuz a most of the 4th 5th gen groups I know can definitely perform live
I’m glad you mentioned the artist development part of this. Since FOREVER, a label (A&R) would discover a new artist and then develop them for years behind the scenes until they were finally ready to be released to the world. That’s why people could perform well out the gate and usually already had their own “sound” even on a debut album. Because they spent years finding and developing it, usually with the help of some great producers.
Nowadays a label does that and the artist is called an industry plant. If you didn’t go straight from TikTok, IG or CZcams to the stage, then you’re not “authentic enough.” And it results in a bunch of one hit wonders and fads that fizzle out quickly rather than artists with any kind of artistic identity and staying power.
Right like there’s so many people becoming musicians by happenstance or because “ why not?”. The intentionality is not there anymore. Labels aren’t putting money into artists. The artist themselves don’t care enough they just wanna make a check :/ I think that’s a huge part of the equation as to why things feel flat or underwhelming, because some of these people just aren’t ready to be on the stages they’re on, and they need to be polished a bit more to be considered a popstar at least
Major labels stopped developing artists in the late 80s/early 90s because artists don't make money, songs do. Push the song / mention the artist. This isn't anything new, and for many reasons they had to make the shift. Some artists with strong fan bases manage to take advantage of this, to their benefit, while others who don't know any better sign their life away, thinking they've "made it", are left to hopefully churn enough profitable products to stay alive, if they are allowed to release anything at all. As long as the "major market" exists, we'll continue down this path. Eventually, the best of the best rise to the top, we find them one way or another, and so the process continues....
It’s very difficult for beginner musicians/visual artists to self-promote these days. Many outsiders expect perfection, like amazing choreography, a unique aesthetic, out of beginners who are just starting out and discovering their style. Many people direct their extreme pessimism onto the individual artist themself rather than the huge companies or popular trends-the root problems. In the end, everyone is just discouraged from making art and trying because they’re scared they’ll get bullied off the internet.
I think that's the difference between the lates and the greats
I think that's the difference between the lates and the greats
This video made me realize how many of the old stars are still around and dominating pop whereas in the 2000s, I feel like we got a lot of the "fresh" musicians making it big. Taylor Swift and Beyoncé have been around for 20 years and don't let up. And despite some of the newer ones like Olivia Rodrigo and Doja Cat being more popular, none of them have grabbed society by the throat yet. I'm curious how it's going to be by 2030
Doja Cat's type of Pop isn't really "Pop" it more of Pop Rap I guess you can loop her in there tho
And Newer "Pop Stars" havent Really had impact as much as Beyonce or Swift is just because they Haven't been around long enough yet Olivia is just 3 Years Doja is 8 Years but didn't get mainstream until 5 years ago
@@Danny-xm9udi feel like doja has had a few pop songs. candy, kiss me more, boss bitch
it’s so unfortunate that normani doesn’t release music more often because she has everything pop needs 😭😭😭like she could be a STAR
Yeah, she literally has everything that it takes, but she has to release music😭
YES I loved her omg and definitely think she has the it factor
She makes r&b tho
@@GirlDo3 what category of music was motivation then? She has r&b songs but she could be a pop star
@@CamrynSuzanneBut her more recent songs fair and wild side are R&B. Motivation is 4 yrs ago and it was pretty bland. It's the choreography that had everyone in a chokehold.
I agree 100%! I’m from GenZ and I really miss old pop music. Until today I listen old pop. Is very hard to listen “new pop” bc every single lyric and melody looks the same and a lot of new artists are sexualizing themselves. This is the “content” to the people. I feel sad abt it. I’m singer and I’m starting my career and I really want to make music/music video/outfit/performance with 2000-2016 vibes!
Yeah, I think a lot of things sound the same and there’s a lack of distinction. But with the lineup by list of current artists, I think could be big I think they differ from each other in some way, which would be helpful in diversifying pop!
Not to discredit her talent, i’m a huge swiftie, but i think the fact that the industry has changed so that new pop stars aren’t rising is the reason Taylor Swift keeps growing and is still here. She’s the only ‘’og’’ pop star who never stopped, she outlived them all, so now she’s pretty much got the pop star monopoly until she decides to let it go
Taylor Swift "is" the MUSIC INDUSTRY 👄
I disagree, she's on her way to be considered a legend a this point but no longer a player in the game, people don't see her as competition because she's already well established that's why people say pop music is dying because they think there's no new "worthy" popstars in the making. They want new pop music from new pop artists.
@@helloworld-sl2lw Taylor Swift is not legend till now tho she is an icon
I honestly keep thinking about why and how is she so big now? Because I never saw anyone talking about her or their music as much as I saw people talking about Katy Perry, Ariana Grande, Demi Lovato... Like where was this huge fan base years ago?
Taylor is really talented (I'm not a huge fan of hers but I can't deny it), but her being the "biggest artist" now feels so random. I never saw people talking about her until 2022-23 tbh 😅
bro i always hear people praise taylor this way but never in my life have i met someone irl who said they listen to taylor lmao. Like do yall just keep it a secret until someone brings up her name im so confused?? like i had no idea taylor was that big until her tour started and all the white girls were going crazy
I would literally sell my soul for the state of music to be back to what it was in 2011-2016. Music just seemed so much brighter back then.
let me guess you were younger?.
There was a lot of annoying ass edm/electronic music in the pop music though… that’s what turned me off… too much. And too much lyrics that went like “ah, ah, ah,” repeating a part of a word or something like that…
I wonder if "best era of pop music" is always the one you experienced as a child and teenager or if there is actually a superior pop music era that people from different generations can agree on 🤔
Don’t do that. Your soul is more important than all of that.
I also could not disagree more with the idea that pop is dead. Taylor Swift is an example of a pop act who has not just excelled this year, she drove pop, singlehandedly, to the biggest year ever. The difference you are discussing here is ageism and the idea that new young stars have to be here to keep the genre alive. It's not true, I think streaming has opened the doors for older artists to have much longer runs at it than they used to.
True , 2023 was literally biggest year of pop in recent times since 2019 and it was fueled by Taylor swift and many others . Just because 2010 pop artist other than taylor didnt get success , these people think pop is dying.
@@FlixtexTaylor swift sucks
@@Moon-ge8mc *your*
THIS!!
@Moon-ge8mc I mean I'm not a swiftie, but I kinda agree. But not only Taylor Swift, also the weeknd, they've been carrying pop since 2022.
Like for example, it's sad that a Taylor swift song from 2019 is outperforming every release this year.
The thing is Sabrina has career development. She’s been making music for a long time and slowly climbing up, which made her recent songs stick and boosted her even more
i’ve never really listened to pop before , until chappell roan and charlie xcx’s albums dropped . i think they have that originality , they could defo be the next huge pop singers
idk why Madison Beer isn't popping off yet! Her music is sooo good + obsessed with how pretty she is! She's been here for some time now but I have yet to see her skyrocket and become a mainstay in Pop.
Yes !!!! She's a good singer and the face !
Lol she gotta bed the right Executive 😂😂
Madison isn't mainstream because she doesn't want to be. She hates her old cookie cutter pop songs like Melodies, and Silence Between Songs was a clear departure from mainstream sounds. Envy The Leaves, Ryder, and At Your Worst aren't really the type of songs that the public wants to hear on the radio.
I suspect that her career will be more comparable to Lana Del Rey than the main pop girlies. Mainstream pop debut that gradually transitions into more folk/alternative music. And honestly, that suits her best.
@@Rachels7777I like this take. Never listened to Madison Beer untill literally this week. Sweet relief is fantastic and Make you Mine that came out this past week I feel like has such a good current edm pop sound without being attached to David Guetta (and his shitty classic song reworks)
@@Rachels7777THIS !!!
Tate McRae can dance and sing, she was a dancer before she was a singer. Her, Sabrina, and Olivia are all new to this but they’re all stardom material.
Tate is awful 😭 and Olivia is already a star
@@f4gsforpele all three of them were famous/known before they were SUPER famous. tate is awesome, has EVERY quality a star needs. olivia is already a star. sabrina finally got her big break last year with "because i liked a boy" and "nonsense" and "feather"
She can sing but her songs are terrible
I think Olivia really stands out to me the most because of the way she carries herself in the media. She has really toned things back this album and keeps her persona primarily based and reliant on her music, which is something I respect. I also thinks she’s the only one at of the people you mentioned who is bringing something new to the table. (Tate a little bit too with her newer singles). I know people are super obsessed with sabrina rn, but in my opinion she is lacking something that makes her stand out from the rest I guess. (sorry I’ve tried sooo hard to get into her music). Love Olivia’s music or hate it she is bringing back the pop punk sound.
Yes I love her rock releases, would be cool if she had an all rock album@@ishita8486
@@ishita8486punk* not rock
sameeee, i love how fresh her music is, and the lyrics are also amazing, she has this very personal feel with her music and such a good voice and curated idea on what she wants to portray, definetly she is here for the lung run!!
ofc. my bad.@@jambajuice1598
@@ishita8486 *POP PUNK. she's pop punk. i love her music but it's definitely not punk rock lmfao please educate yourself on what punk actually is
In 2013 ARTPOP was considered a FLOP, selling ONLY 250.000 copies.
In 2024, selling 100.000 albums is a "commercial success"
Mainstream music is SO DEAD
as a millennial, i respect where you’re coming from but have to disagree. i think right now, like now now, pop is getting more interesting. it’s not at another peak but it’s on the way up. it’s spear headed by Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo. also, one thing that makes this new rise unique than the peak we saw is the authenticity and rawness. the 90s-2000s pop were catchy tunes written by label record songwriters. this new rise of pop have the artists write the songs themselves, the songs are much more raw and personal. i think this part of this generation’s pop is fresh. i do not want to go back to listening pop songs written by 40 year old songwriter dudes.
yess i’m gen z but i completely agree with everything you just said!!!
you put it so well into words!
I see what you’re saying but I don’t feel like pop music is supposed to be about authenticity. If I wanted that I’d go listen to a singer songwriter/acoustic type of vibe or something alternative like Phoebe Bridgers. Pop is supposed to be feel-good music. We know it’s manufactured and I want that. Billie and Olivia are WILDLY TALENTED!’ But they don’t make me feel good, they make me feel depressed. I feel like honestly they are a genre of their own
Also some artists of the past were writing their own stuff. I know Ke$ha wrote some of her own songs
@@Foundationsofgreatness "Pop is about feel-good music" The Weeknd's existence kinda breaks that. Feel-good music is not locked to one genre, and pop is so much more than "makes me wanna dance" and its really the upcoming artists proving that. I love high energy danceable pop music, but I also love more calm pop music.
I can appreciate my Dua Lipa "Dance The Night" and my Troye Sivan "One Of Your Girls", you can have both a Charlie Puth and salem ilese type pop musician and keep your Sabrina Carpenter and Carly Rae Jepsens!!! Manufactured music is never going to go away, obviously, but you can't expect people who want to write something else to conform (pop is also kinda great for experimentation because its so broad). And saying that because its not "feel good, be happy" that it isnt pop is ridiculous IMHO
WHY NOT BOTH!?!?! WE CAN HAVE BOTH!!! EVERYONE CAN BE HAPPY!!!
@@Foundationsofgreatnesspop is just popular music it isn’t supposed to have a image or anything like that that’s why every genre in the world is capable of becoming pop
Sabrina has been making good music since she came out-she's been slept on until EICS
Girl I had been SLEEP. I still have a lot more listening to do but she definitely has something special
same her evolution as an artist is beautiful, she's versatile and she makes really good pop/ rnb song too
I don't think pop music is dying, I think that pop music and the pop imagery is shifting and I wanna point out 2 things:
1. What really is pop music? It's hard to tell because the nuances that make pop music a genre change about every 8 years or so. Think Beyoncé, I REALLY don't think that Dangerously In Love could be considered a pure pop album, and that goes to many many albums from that era, but because R&B was so popular at the time, it became pop
2. And now, for me, we're seeing the same thing happening again, the change. After the "R&B pop", we had that 2006 - 2014? period era of synth, bubblegum pop songs with artists like Kesha, Katy Perry and Lady Gaga defining the genre and becoming divas, but I think the idea of crazy divas with extra costumes and maximalistic songs isn't so appealing to the public anymore (specially the younger generation, that I think is the generation that consumes pop music and culture the most), and now we're having a more chill, laid back pop music, even sad honestly, that talks more about feelings and love than party and that kind of stuff and the public is finding more appealing.
everyone should check out some underground artists tho, there are some divas and hyperpop artist that give the pop you'll are asking for
I think pop music has changed to appeal to a more depressive and melancholic generation that finds comfort in someone singing something that they can say "hey, this artist felt the same thing as I did, they get me" than a true pop diva, y'know?
That’s fair! I respect this opinion, I like the way you phrased this
@@jeonsunbae5784you explained this so well! But yes I think that’s what it is!
Pop music is popular music, though the sound of pop music is very similar. kind of like how house music and drill beats sound the same.
pop music has calmed the hell down in recent times
pop music aint dead, people are just pushing the shitty artists to the top
Same thing.
Sabrina has everything to become the next popstar(she already is btw)
1. Lyrical genius
2. Good fashion sense and aesthetics
3. The drama
4. Amazing voice, talent
5. Insane performer
But where's the Hits ? Where's her pop iconic moments? The charisma on stage ....
Sorry not sorry but she not famous at alllllll
@@nassercabelo3330ur 100% right the most important factor too… with the right teams and songs she could tick this box too. I do think the feather song is a step in the right direction!
@@nassercabelo3330 Dude you live in a cave or being ignorant, she clearly has songs charting and people's feed are filled with her performances. She is clearly rising and questioning her charisma?! You better be joking.
she isnt and her issue is her music sucks and thats not being a hater, her music is just whatever olivia and taylors producers leave in the studio before sabrina comes in , she isnt popular, her songs dont chart high at all or even chart to begin with , shes on her 6th studio album and has just barely cracked the hot 100, madison beer is much better then her and has bigger streaming numbers
haha no
Rina Sawayama is could EASILY make it big if her label promoted her well. She is one of the most talented live performers I’ve ever seen, and I think she definitely has that star quality.
she is insanely talented and i feel underrated!!
Omg you are so right
i lover her sm, and charlie xcx
I don’t think Rina Sawayama is a pop artist though. She is amazing at what she does her music is insane, but i don’t think she falls into POP music.
She uses a lot of pop elements but I wouldn’t say she is a pop artist.
what do you think she is then @@mohamedq881
I'd like to thank you for speaking on this subject in an informed and non biased manner, this video was a breath of fresh air and i'd love to see more like this from you. You've definitely gained a subscriber 🥰
Thank you so much, i really try to be fair in these conversations! And thank you for subscribing 🥹
I feel like the pop era now is definitely kpop. It took a while for kpop to be popularized in countries like america, and now that they've gained so much traction worldwide, kpop's gonna stay relevant for a very long time
True, but its always going to have its limits in America because of the language barrier (obviously not all are in Korean but at least the ones I’m used to), I feel like it’s still pretty niche as i feel as though most people here wouldn’t name a k pop band if they were asked for their top pop artist faves
I disagree..KPop is overrated
@@Fuzzy_Slippers111Kpop has its own style compared to American pop, and the vibes are not the same. But i agree with you when u said kpop is becoming more recognised worldwide.
the gag is nobody really listens to kpop outside of kpop stans😭 i used to be a really big kpop stan, yall do overrate how much people know & listen to kpop.
@@ongakira Personally im not a kpop fan (Used to) , more of a western music fan. But one of the reasons why i said kpop being more recognised would be cuz of bts, blackpink, big bang and other popular bands.
For me, pop ended when the last girl band dissolved (Little Mix), I entered a musical crisis and ended up reaching the world of Kpop, which little by little is breaking borders and scenarios because the presentations are pure art. However, I always keep an eye out for American music and pray for something good to play. I also think that Latin music has become my anesthetic when I need something to dance to. In conclusion I miss the real POP❤
I don't even know of any american girl groups like ever. There were american boy groups nsync, backstreet boys..., The few "western" hemisphere's girl groups who sing in english are british. And when people say Destiny's Child ?! to me those are singers, not a 'girl group'. But maybe it's just semantics.
@@Lei3195i Do you speak English natively? Because you don't understand what girl group means. Destiny Child is not only a girl group, other girl groups such as Little Mix literally cite them as one of their inspirations. Maybe you misunderstand because after they broke up they became solo artists but they were 100% a girl group. Lose my breath, say my name, survivor,cater 2 u, etc. If you haven't seen their videos you shouldn't be talking on this
If you want a good upcoming girl band check out The Last Dinner Party! Their style leans a bit more indie pop / alt pop but their debut album was excellent!
Boys World is a good girl group. There music has something about it that just keeps me latched on.
Kpop is super staged and super exploitative
I love that you included black artist as well from the 00's. People tend to leave them out of the pop conversations and just throw them into the R&B/ Hip hop lane which is so unfair.
I would love to do a more in depth video honoring those black artists and how black people are often left out of the pop category. Or have to do SOOOO much work to transition over and prove themselves 😢
@@CamrynSuzanne exactly it’s so annoying but that would be a good video
@@phillinsogood imma start workin on it!
@@CamrynSuzanne PLEASE tell me that Brandy will be included in that video! I absolutely love her and her music, I wish other people would appreciate her more as well.
As a white person, the black artists make pop what it is as a whole! You wouldn’t have pop being what it is now if it weren’t for the inspiration it gave all artists in esp the early 2000’s.
The pop girlies from the 2000's /2010's had the Charisma and consistently, hit after hit ......albums non stop ,the competition was powerful in a good way every Artist had their own identity and own style
Yes forreal, everyone had something different. Something to make them stand out. A uniqueness to their voice, aesthetic snd sound. It was truly a time
@@CamrynSuzanneplus they weren't afraid to be sexy! like borderline wh*re almost! these new pop girlies are just way TOO tame for me... i don't get gay life when i watch them
@@gisele__________________whaa…y’all obsession with females sexualizing themselves is crazy
@@nathalia00906 music doesn't have to be sexual to be good.
Olivia Rodrigo and Tate McRae.
1. They got good songs and lyrics.
2. They have the spark of lyrics actually are able to relate to.
3. I just love them as people, they sound like great people.
@@KatsiYori-zk5gm idk about tate but olivia is definitely very sweet irl
I like Sabrina. It feels like she's just being herself. She's not trying to fit into the "nice girl" stereotype, nor is she trying to be edgy and different. It feels like she's playing around, figuring out what style she wants, and just writing about her life.
Agreed 💯
Billie Eilish is the biggest from this generation. She's still very young (only 1-2 years older than Olivia and Tate) and already has a catalog of hits, instantly recognizable aesthetic and sound, industry respect, and touring arenas/stadiums globally. Not to mention she has a lot of time to switch it up & continue to build her legacy with her future albums, projects, acting, etc.
olivia is the biggest gen z artist
@@mirzasadman6670naw Billie is since she has millions of views on all her videos since she has more then Olivia and she has like 2 videos on CZcams that’s are at 1 billion and one of the videos are gonna reach to 2b and that video is lovely
@@mirzasadman6670Olivia is still new
@@emanuel5944 olivia has 4 billion songs from her DEBUT album. 2 of them have over 2 Billion stream too. Billie's second album kinda flopped whereas GUTS broke her previous album's first day sales record. so yeah, i still stand by what i said.
@@mirzasadman6670 I love olivia but she is not bigger than billie at all..at least not yet. billie has broken more records, has more awards (grammys, oscars, etc) and a guinness world record, billie also has a larger audience and is known by multiple generations. my parents know who billie is..they don’t know olivia yet. her audience is still mostly teens
I love Olivia Rodrigo and I’m 33. Her music is just too catchy. And I like her SoCal suburban girl aesthetic. Something about her is just very refreshing for me, but familiar at the same time.
This video was so real. Another new artist that I personally see a huge potential is Chapell Roan, with her album of The Rise and Fall of a MidWest Princess, songs like Good Luck Babe, Red Wine Supernova, Pink Pony Club, Hot to Go are really catchy and memorable, she has a GREAT voice, and a really particular aesthetic.
She seems like at some point of the future she'll get more recognition.
100% chapell has the potential for sure i think she’s slightly niche right now. she has a very specific aesthetic and sound (reminiscent of gaga to me ngl) and so i’m not sure how well it meshes with the general public, but i’m excited to watch her grow so rapidly
As an arianator, I couldnt be more happy that ari is coming back. I know how problematic she is unfortunately - even though I dont believe in all the rumors - buttt even people who arent her fans and have the ability to seperate the art from the artist, still are excited for her come back. Personally, I think people love her and dislike the new rising stars (Olivia, Tate, Sabrinae, Tyla etc) because maybe they grew up with her and saw her improve. Also I think its because these new artists trust Tik Tok a lot to promote their work and dont have or dont know any other ways to promote their work. Lastly, I think people these days just throw raw products and beautiful albums.
Yeah, I’m an ari stan. And yes, her scandals kind of overshadow sometimes but I don’t think she’s that bad of a person🥲🥲🥲 Maybe I’m delusional. I also remember hearing Ari on the radio for the first time, actually, I heard her music before victorious got popular and I witnessed her growth. I truly do think that’s why I connect with her so much so you’re definitely right about that.
Yeah, I think a lot of new artist are stuck in the TikTok frame of mind but in their defense that’s what’s working at least short term . they’ll probably realize long-term that it’s not as beneficial as they may think because there’s audiences outside of TikTok. Other demographics, who don’t use TikTok, and in order to be a mega star, you have to reach everyone, young and old, and everybody kinda Hass to buy in.. and that’s just not happening
Pop music would've bene saved if Britney made a comeback as well
@@JiafeiProducts6969after everything she faced i want her to never come-back. She was abused to the core of her soul i'm sure she lost her passion for music
I don’t agree with the problematic part but I agree with everything else
@@briannaaudain928girl you’re always under comments acting delusional. you probably see things differently, but you might come off as rude. it’s true that ariana clearly has been associated with ´scandals’ lately - and the media did what they do the best: twist the knife and emphasize rumours 😁
Its jarring to me to see people question Sabrina's fame. I've known in my gut sonce I was 7 and I saw her on girl meets world that she was gonna be huge one day. I've also been in a cycle of finding her music and listening non stop since 2019. Even when I didnt listen to her all the time shes just always stuck with me and I couldn't help but adore her.
Exactly. When I see comments about her being “untalented” I’m like oh okay so y’all have clearly never sat down to actually to listen to her work or At least one of her albums
@@keyaraingram973 I know! It makes me a little sad.
Agreed. I think it's bc Sabrina came onto Disney during its dying era (mid to late 2010s) that people didn't see her star power
Love her too, people should give her a chance
@@ShevAba yeah for sure
When I think about what we’re missing, I think about Normani’s Wild Side music video… THAT is what we’re missing in pop today. The big budget video, elaborate sets, FLAWLESS CHOREOGRAPHY. It was a moment when that video dropped and everyone was losing their minds cuz it was EXCELLENT. It’s a shame that she’s not consistent cuz Normani imo has that starpower and attention to detail that is missing from todays artists
I think that's why a lot of people are turning to kpop. Say what you will about the music as I know it's not everyone's preference (although not all kpop sounds the same), but kpop artists know how to dance and the music videos are immaculate.
What’s crazy to is normani said she had to help fund it herself to get what she wanted. Her label didn’t want to fully invest. Because that video was everything. The choreo, the song, the looks. She ate that up.
This exactly! That was probably one of the last times i was super excited for a music video. It was a moment and it gagged me so bad 👏🔥 Plus her live performances are spectacular and are always the ones i look forward to the most
@@CamrynSuzanne Yes, I heard about that! It explains why music videos have become so lacklustre now as labels clearly do not see the worth in them which is a shame cuz they are an art form in themselves.
@@okaiiiii3931 Yesss her VMA performances are the only ones that stand out in recent memory. She’s so talented, I’d hate to see it go to waste but it’s her decision to release music at the end of the day
This video is pure gold, finally someone talking facts! Im so tired of people pretending certain artists changed music forever or made iconic things when all they really do is make,as you said, fast food music.
Mariah smashed hard with her comeback
Literally had biggest hit of 00's in US ie We belong together
Yes, so iconic! Mariah is my favorite. She was the very first concert I ever went to in 05’
The greatest were allowed to grow on us…..we are judging these new artists too early instead of allowing them to grow
No really, i only think people who haven’t really been witness some of the greats develop for decades have this major complaint about artists…a lot of stars didn’t blow up over night even though it seems like it. Talent isn’t an easy bake oven. It takes time
But even then those artist that are the greatest already had the quality for it from the beginning. These artist now art giving until their third or fourth album that’s not real star quality because the QUALITY isn’t there.
@@areswilliams that’s fair, I see what you’re saying. you’re saying that a lot of those grades had quality prior to them being fully developed
i think it also has to do with large media consumption. it's only gotten bigger since the greats were starting out. now, any artist can post to 500k followers on tiktok, go to bed, then wake up to 5M followers because they went viral. with social media being at it's largest usage, people are being thrown into the industry overnight with no experience or preparation at all so they're having to learn with millions of eyes watching and dozens of cameras pointed at them. but i still agree though. it's just fan pages waiting for an artist to mess up so they can use them in social media fan wars to make their favorite artist look better. instead of just taking a step back and giving artists some grace to make mistakes, whether they're new or not.
@@areswilliamsI mean it took Janet her 3rd album with Control to reach superstar and main pop girl status. Hell Michael Jackson put out 4 solo albums as a child before his solo career skyrocketed with Off The Wall in the late 70s as a young adult. Rihanna also didn't became a bonafide global superstar until Good Girl Gone Bad when she switched her style, did the jet black asymetrical bob and droped Umbrella. Ppl thought she was only here to make some summer bops or and some even Jay-Z was scared that Pon Da Replay was gonna be bigger than her at first similar to Lil Nas X after Old Town Road or now Tyla with Water. Sometimes, it really takes time
I don't think pop is dead, early 2020's had an amazing eras with disco and pop punk. I just think right now there's this kind of moment that we're moving on to the next phase.
As to current popstars, Charli XCX and Tinashe so deserve but their sound is too unique for mainstream and they've been here for such a while so I don't see this happens..
I think Sabrina Carpenter really has it, she just need to find her own sound. I also think PinkPantheress is so unique and her asthethic and vocals are something that I've never seen before, hope she wouldn't become a one hit wonder..
Renee Rapp is absolutely killing it in my opinion. She is a vocalist, her music is deeply personal and she's starting to have this edge that sepparates her from the other girls.
Also I feel like Olivia Rodrigo was missed from the chat. She has it ALL, in my opinion. Like a real star quality, a personality, great and fresh music and an insane voice. I didn't really vibe with SOUR except the singles, but GUTS is a huge development in my opinion.
So you mentioned a couple names, I really love PinkPantheress right now. I’m not too into Renee rap, but she’s a really nice voice. However I think in this video, I was just trying to capture who has the potential to be on the level that Christina once was around the level that ( not saying that they are them) but only a few people can make it.
Also, I didn’t mention Olivia much because I think she’s talented and she’s probably breaking the most records right now out of anybody I’ve mentioned in the new age but personally, I’m not enthusiastic about her music and her brand (it’s not really my thing which doesn’t mean that she doesn’t have it). I’m just not as intrigued by her and it might be because maybe I’m not her target demographic. Which is another thing I mentioned that nowadays, a lot of people cater to their demographic. But it’s still early in her career so she could still be on her way. I could very much be sleep and missing out but i’ve tried to really get into her music. Listening to albums etc. (going out of my way) and as talented as she is, I just don’t connect with it / see it fr
@@CamrynSuzanne as for Olivia I really get where you're coming from, her music is not for everyone, but I think she is the only one recently who reached the superstardom level you're talking about.
Also I do think Renee and PinkPantheress have the potential to become household names in the future. I guess we'll have to wait and see...
Sabrina does have her own sound! But most were too busy sleeping on her. Sabrina's rnb era with Singular act 1 and 2 was truly her potential sound. It wasn't hyped enough because of less promotion and a law suit at the time (for trying to get out of her shitty record label).
I think her rnb era mixed in with eics writing + pop songs like feather and sue me are her sound. Honestly Sue me and Looking at Me both from her Singular Era give off the same vibe as her hit song Feather.
Sue Me and Looking at Me truly deserved the same hype or better!
But idk what do u think?
@@pancakesxoxo1064 don't get me wrong, i think her music is fantastic:)
It's just that there are many girls that are doing this "hot girl music" thing right now (she still does it better than the most tho) and i like it, but some of her popular music reminds me a lot of Ariana. I kinda wish that in the next several years she would take a different direction musically, so she'd really stand out as she should.
@@user-zw9nl5eo8l oh ok understandable. I get the Ariana comparison. But she has time and time again shown to be more influenced by Rihanna. Way more than Taylor or Ariana.
I think it's the similar vocal technique that make people associate her with Ariana. Like I said I think her Singular Era was her potential sound but she didn't carry on with it because it didn't get the hype it deserved. If her current fans do give a listen to it, I think it will go just as viral because it's the exact same vibe as 2 of her current popular songs. (If u notice her voice sounds completely different in Singular compared to eics)
I know she's a rapper and I will never disregard her as a hip-hop artist, but Megan Thee Stallion is DEFINITELY a pop star. She has the look, the talent, and the different personas. Her music always hits.
No wonder why Eminem wants to collab with her! 😭✋💗
@@Romantic_Julietwhy do I feel like that could actually be cool though 😭
Tinashe is the most UNDERRATED artist in the music industry. Period. She writes, produce, direct, sing, dance, perform, has the personality, looks, work ethic I could keep going. Deserves so much more recognition!
Zara Laarson is another great international pop artist but some reason her music doesnt get played on American radio anymore. She had several big hits that blew up here. I also believe Halle Bailey will be another big pop girl once she pits out her album.
Oh i forgot about zara! I like her song need someone, and she seems like she has a cool personality. Also I just don’t know what direction Halle is trying to take her music. Her solo song Angel was giving ballad, so I’m not sure what her pop music would quite sound like.
I think Zara was just missing a unique image. Her hits were kinda bigger than her as a person. Like she makes good music but the pop stars have an image it’s not just about the music.
zara is so underrated but so successful at the same time. she has the total package: beauty, personality, the voice, commercial success and can tear up some choreography on stage (in heels too might I add).
Olivia Rodrigo is one that I think can be the next pop star because her lyrics resonates with people and keeps them entertained and she’s also like brings some sort of nostalgia that I really like
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Her lyrics are very immature. She still only appeals to teenage girls
@@kruggyyso? Teenage girls drive up most of the music market 😭
@@kruggyyand whats the problem with that
@@dylansm1th if she wants to be a lasting legacy, she has to branch out of her usual demographic to appeal to more people
I agree so much with you, especially Tyla, Victoria and Tinashe, they all have THE IT FACTOR, im exited to see what they serve us next.
and how come Tinashe and Vic are so criminally underrated, their music is literally AMAZING
I feel like every pop song these days just tries to replicate the essence of 2000s pop, rather than breaking boundaries and making their OWN sounds. Idk
For sure I agree, I think that would be an interesting video as well to kind of talk about how nostalgia has infiltrated almost every aspect of art today. It feels like things get less and less original.
maybe that’s our own fault. i think when someone tries to create their own sound they don’t sell as much (charlotte lawrence for example)
Nothing sounds like the 2000’s today .. where?
That’s mostly the fans fault. When artists try new things or break boundaries they get called cringe, doing too much or whatever. Who wants to break boundaries when chronically online people will spew hate on you constantly.
@@navier5078 then it’s about public opinion, not art.
It's crazy how this video is about Pop music but there's this specific part ( 22:10 - where she says that people want originally, effort and quality but when an artist is trying to get to this point people don't even give them the chance to prove themselves worthy) that's so relatable when speaking about rock as well! Old guys say that rock and roll is dead, when there are plenty of new bands out there trying to keep it alive, but they don't even wanna listen to this bands.
I wish rock/punk/metal/grunge/indie/alternative music would come back from the dead since pop is dead
You should listen to bands like Black midi, Fountaines DC, SQUID or Dry Cleaning, they're relatively "new" rock (mostly post-punk) bands that are still putting stuff out
Same! I’m waiting for it to come back, but idk if it really will
I'm kind of a Måneskin fan so maybecheck them out, they're so good live too!
listen to ''cassyette''.
tbh i don’t think that anything is dying. no genre is dying, there’s more artist bc anyone can make music nowadays so the good stuff is just harder to find
Super fun video! I think RAYE also has a huge potential for the 2020s. I wouldn’t say she is exactly doing pop, but her voice is out of this world
I am going to check out RAYE! So many people are singing her praises in the comments
@@CamrynSuzanne Yeah awesome! Her newest album has some fire songs. Live she's also incredible
thank you so much for mentioning Tinashe!!! she is so underrated and one of the most innovative singers - also i thought your video was great!
Of course! She deserves all the credit. she’s been in the industry for a long time, has made major hits, but people still try to deny her impact. And thank you so much 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Labels those days promoted limited artists, the production effort went there were insane but nowadays labels itself force artists to promote in tiktok and dont do anything besides playlisting and the number of artits have become huge and varied now. What is lacking now in pop music is huge collaborations, creative dance choreos, catchy tunes. But undermining any of the artists hard work wouldn't benefit anyone and people should stop sending unnecessary hate. Loved your analysis!
You hit the nail on the head with ALL of this. Labels absolutely promoted limited artist and that’s probably why they had bigger budget to invest and push stars. Now, labels are trying to sign the person with the TikTok hit and they’re not truly invested in developing their artistry they just want a cash grab. I also desperately miss collaborations and the dancing and performances, but I do think that it has the potential to make it come back with some of these artists.
Thanks so much for watching ! I definitely try to keep it positive over here
I think there's a resurgence of artist loyalty. When i was in elementary school you had to buy a whole album to hear a song you wanted to own, so usually if you liked it you'd keep buying the same artist. (I have everything hilary duff ever did ) but when i was in middle school to high school digital music became a thing and you could just buy one song. Artists had to try to compete to be that *one song* you'd buy. Then streaming made it so they'd get *one song* on a playlist.
The newer generation seems to be ready for artist loyalty again. I mean theyre bringing back physical records, they want cds. They want genuine people who release good music consistently.
olivia and tate have potential in my opinion. i love tate’s “think later” album, and GUTS felt so raw. idk, i think they are both good. and we already know Lorde is pop icon (melodrama is that girl) so when she comes back, i feel like pop will revive. and you can’t mention pop without mentioning taylor, cause of course she did such a good thing for pop music.
Yeah, I honestly think that if anyone is “there” , it’s probably Olivia. Out of all of the new crop of artist, similar to her, she’s charted the highest, she’s performed on the bigger stages. I just don’t connect with her music as much. I liked guts, but I didn’t do anything for me.☹️ personally
billie eilish had everyone in chokehold too
@@burnt.norton of course, how did i forget about billie
@@CamrynSuzanne I feel like Olivia is taking the "Taylor route". Like she's working on it and improving. Her songwriting is there, but the aura and stage presence haven't quite clicked "for everyone" yet. It is weird because she has her background with acting and singing, but at the same time I feel like she is the embodiment of Taylor's song mirrorball right now. "I've never been a natural, all I do is try try try". Like she is getting there, and its clear that she's here to stay with her songwriting, but in terms of household name status and THE pop star status, she is just missing some oomph. Maybe by her 3rd or 4th album it'll click. Like even Taylor in her branding as a country star back from fearless to red was strange from 2008-2012. She was just "there" and clearly had a lot of staying power with how many records she was breaking in pop culture yet, but she wasn't a main pop girlie until 1989 in 2014
@@burnt.norton@religion_honeymoon I think that Billie is the only person out of them to reach true stardom. Also her music is just way better than both olivia or tate, and she has a much clearer identity and brand
this was a very interesting discussion. i’ll be 29 this year and im not in the demographic of some of the artists you mentioned but i do love sabrina. shes amazing and the way she performs hooks you in. and ive been a fan of troye since happy little pill and im so happy he’s finally getting the recognition he deserves. ive been listening to his new project on loop.
i do think the pandemic made the rise of tiktok artists succeed over radio hits. i think radio has been declining and it really took a hit when people were forced to stay home and even now, more people work from home than before 2020. i personally only listened to the radio in the car, on my way to work. but since ive been working from home the past 4 years, i dont think i listened to the radio since.
i do have hope for new artist to have the potential to become huge pop artists, they just need time.
The funniest thing is… this trend has happened in EVERY decade to some extent. There have always been artists of the moment, and legacy artists. Songs in the 50s were under three minutes (in some cases even under 2 minutes) and singles were always the focus. Until artists could provide enough value to bring an album (and cause the medium was the literal album).
And another consistency is, labels or companies that invested in artist development (Atlantic, Motown, Interscope), always trumped the other labels and artists of their time.
Great video 💖
I’m glad you mentioned Fergie. She was in her bag in the 2000s, she was everywhere! It just sucks that people undermine her legacy nowadays. She is a pop girlie!
Yes!! I loved fergie
Not to mention that it's because of Fergie that Black Eyed Peas had a huge success in the 2000s.
I know Olivia Rodrigo is already pretty famous, but I think she is sooo talented. She can sing and I think she has the talent and mind to become one of the best lyricists of all time. I really truly believe she might develop into Taylor Swift level lyricism.
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Taylor Swift’s lyricism is crap. Are you actually being serious? That is one of the worst things about the songs she writes
Right Olivia Rodrigo is the Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen of our time...
@@alekskrakoew8584I like Olivia but this better be sarcasm 💀💀💀
*Somebody* needs to expand their musical horizons
In all honesty Rina Sawayama is a force of her own in the music industry. Like listen to her songs XS, Frankenstein, and Hold the girl and tell me that she isn't pop perfection
SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HER her music is genuinely one of the best pop artists in this new gen
YESS I SO AGREE! Rina is a pop girly,, she just needs to go mainstream
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT!!!
Rina has everything to become a globally known pop star, i just don't understand how that hasn't happened yet
Lol no 😂
been a fan of pop since mid 90s. I starving for good pop again. its like a desert