Beyonce don't write her own songs, samples too much and so I agree with her not getting Album of the year. as a matter of fact I think she was too many Grammys
It would be cool if you did a historical deep dive about the Grammys. Would probably put a lot of things into context as to why Black and POC have historically been snubbed and outright excluded. Love your content! 🎉
Aaaw yall over the grammys coz Beyonce didn't win all the awards hahahaha it's an award show for actual good music ..not ur personal favourites..Beyonce hasn't released a great album since sasha fierce...if u listened to more than just rnb n pop u might have better taste in music incl better taste in rnb n a more refined pallet
This is a pipe dream, even if they cancelled telecast for both the Oscars and the Grammys they would still remain the most prestigious awards in entertainment - at least within industry circles, bc it’s your peers/ colleagues, in the same bubble as you, voting on each other 🗳️ The general public don’t know about ASCAP awards or SAG awards but they’re considered prestigious honors in Hollywood.
They will. The winners r really based on who’s trending more. It’s all a game of clout. Despite a large amount of people dissatisfied, even more people r content
There actually two awards ceremonies from the Grammys. The live broadcast with the popular artist and the pre-show for least popular music genres and production team. As for the pre show it’s kind of hard to get excited since you don’t know about the song writers who contributed.
I think deep down SZA knows, but she has to be polite, she likes Taylor, she doesn't want hate....its a whole thing that would unfold and she thinks its just not worth it.
For sure, she definitely has to play it a certain way publicly. I could imagine that she’d be a little bit disappointed but hey. If she was open about it, it would open a hole other can of worms.
Maybe they shod have made the best album of the year then lool just coz u like rnb music doesn't make it worthy of aoty just bcoz YOU like it lool most of it is computer generated and not real music..obvs it's not gonna win lool
@@jadebel7006 girl wtf are you talking about I’m just saying that as big as those artist are and culture shifting albums that they have it’s crazy that they haven’t won. If you don’t agree move on
As someone who has listened to Taylor Swift’s music since around 2010, I don’t think Midnights should have won. It didn’t introduce anything new to her music, nor was the writing amazing, nor did the album have a flow or story. I think it’s one of her least deserving albums to win. When I found out she won, I was disappointed but not really surprised. It really seems like the people voting for the Grammys just prefer her and that’s it. It is perplexing.
And it’s funny bc i did focus on that win but I actually really like Taylor’s stuff when she first came out! And that’s my issue, it’s not one her top projects subjectively to a lot of listeners . So it becomes tricky because of her project is wanting and it’s not even her best work, and there’s another artist that has their best work and they don’t get it… it’s like what do they have to do???!
@@CamrynSuzanneThat’s my issue too tbh, I started listening to her heavily when Debut came out (I was 12, so it’s been … a while). Midnights was subpar compared to everything else she’s put out, and I was genuinely surprised to see people saying the opposite. She’s capable of producing great work but midnights wasn’t that.
I feel the same as someone who generally enjoys Taylor's albums. Folklore winning was great, it was one of the most well deserved album wins to me because she did something a little different and put a lot of work into it and the album felt like a complete project. Midnights as an album is not her best work. I liked some songs, but as an album it wasn't that different or experimental. The stuff in that album that could be considered experimental for Taylor is stuff alternative artists have been doing amazingly for years. I feel bad for other nominees because there were really good albums in those nominations that I felt deserved praise. I get that it's "the era of Taylor" right now, but I think they did the other artists dirty this year for sure. Low-key I feel the same about last year's win.
A lot of people felt Fearless didn't deserve it or 1989, because of I Am...Sasha Fierce and Kendrick Lamar. But I also state and Said everytime a black artist wins, their album is not explicit or cultural impact mostly jazz music, etc. Ray Charles, HERBIE HANCOCK AND Jon batista. Most underperformed and didn't capture the youth.. But they win because it was a safe album for white folks.. It wasn't unlike 1998 The two albums that were both groundbreaking and cultural impacting the industry and artists was Ray of Light by Madonna and the miseducation of Lauryn Hill back then competition was valid and every album even if nominated did something for the culture, it's rare an album does cultural stuff cos of the state of the industry and the gatekeeping.
I agree that Tay shouldn't have won AOTY, SZA maybe. I don't agree that it should have been Beyonce. But he was right, Tay shouldn't have been in that category.
Bcoz his music is better...if u listened to more than 2 genres of music you'd be able to see that ..the grammys aren't for unoriginal albums with generic computerised music that we've heard a million times b4 n even the songs on the album all sound the same..Beyonce hasn't made a great album since sasha fierce
The fact that it’s been 25 years since a black woman won Album of the Year is beyond ridiculous! The Recording Academy should be ashamed for not properly recognizing the talents of black female artists in recent years!
Im black, and thats just a stupid statement, now I do see there is a problem with the fact that a black woman hasn’t won Album Of The Year in 25 years, but it seems like your demanding that black women get an Album Of The Year simply they are black women and not because they are talented. And Im quite sure there are other races of women that haven’t received Album Of The Year in years.
I mean in those 25 years, Dangerously In Love, The Emancipation of Mimi, Aaliyah (the album), Rated R, Anti, Cuz I Love You, Miss E…So Addictive, Lemonade, The Notorious K.I.M., SOS, etc, etc, etc. So many options to choose from! But for some reason, only 3 Black women have won this award, and none in the last 25 years. Fuck the Grammy’s. Seriously!
Tell me one mainstream album by a black woman, in the last 25 years, that has last than 10 producers in it. Other than Alicia Key's early 2000s albums, i don't know none, and Alicia Keys has two grammys in major categories so she is safe. Black women put 20+ producers in an album and want the Grammy to award them for an album that was made by 20 different male producers, like come on.
@@AriesGirl7719 For aoty? Is like a hidden rule the album having a few amount of ppl working on it. Rarely an album with a massive team of producers wins AOTY. Lets not pretend that having twenty plus producers working on your album makes you seem like a person who cannot do it on your own...
Yeah, if you watch the video back, Lana definitely looks sad. And at the time I didn’t realize, but she was nominated as well and she still was dragged on stage.😭😭
I think the biggest snubs that night were sza for aoty and Lana for once again leaving with zero Grammys. Both are amazing artists who deserved their recognition. Sza had one of the best sophomore albums released in a long while. SOS was talked about for an entire year even after its release. It dominated the charts. As a woc, I just felt so seen by her album. The relatability and honesty she expressed through her songs was just too good. As jay z said it, some people don’t deserve the awards they are given. Lana, on the other hand, continues to get treated as if she hasn’t contributed nothing to the industry. She paved waves for the newer generation of artists like Billie and Olivia, and even they have more Grammys than Lana. I think this is why I don’t take them seriously, some of the greatest don’t have Grammys themselves yet they have left a major impact in the music scene. The one that sort of surprised me was Olivia not getting any wins. I for sure thought she would get SOTY or pop vocal album simply because she did well her second album. Then again, the competition was very tight this year. I don’t think she was necessarily snubbed due to being against some big names plus people already see her as a household name and her album got so many recognition/praise. She is still so new so she has time to turn it around and get more wins for future projects. Thanks for saying things people are afraid of saying!! You made some valid points. Black woman are primarily always the ones getting snubbed and I’m sick of it!!
A couple things, I’m so passionate about SZA’s album, because like you said, it made me feel seen as well. The versatility, her experimentation, her ability to reach out to different people in audiences and connect. Is a superpower that I think she has a lot of artist just don’t! Also, I’m super surprised about Olivia as well, she had some amazing hits this year and I really really loved vampire. I think she should’ve won something for that. Like you said she has time though and I see more, Grammy wins for her and her future. Also, thank you for validating me, and bringing up the race conversation! Because I knew people weren’t gonna like it, and I know I’m gonna get a lot of flack in the comments, but I’m not here to pander to people and be liked. I’m here to have an honest conversation and things won’t change until we have honest conversations.
@CamrynSuzanne really coz u just sound like a paranoid blakk women who's mad ppl like her didn't win the awards they didn't deserve lool I can garuntee u listen to 2 types of music n think u somehow know what great music is lool just coz YOU like sum1 doesn't make them better...listen to more music of different genres n decades n maybe one day you'll figure it out...ppl like Jay z n Beyonce out here convining u of discr! minati0n coz their weak products aren't good enuf to win all the awards wen they're the 2 of the richest ppl in the world lool n narcissists who wen they dnt get what they dnt deserve convince call it discr!minat 0ry n yall complain for them till they get they want n dnt deserve...Beyonce hasn't made a great album since sasha fierce n Jay z never has..agen listen to more than 2 types of music n maybe you'll learn
I'm also sad that Olivia Rodrigo didn't get any grammys, I truly believe they gave taylor the award for the sake of people knowing she would get it anyway
They have even done it to Michael Jackson thee literal king of pop. He won zero Grammys’ for his bad album which is literally insane since it’s one of his best albums and had such an impact on music as a whole. The Grammys has always had a problem when it comes to snubbing black artists and they do it year after year.
im a lifelong swiftie, shes my most listened to artist of all time, shes one of my favourite artists of all time, but i was honestly disappointed that she won album of the year at the grammys. sza's SOS, lana del reys DYKTATUOB were much better than midnights. even though i love a lot of the songs on midnights, it wasnt taylor swifts best album, and she more or less didnt deserve AOTY for it. her albums such as fearless, speak now, red, 1989, and folklore/evermore totally deserved the dub, but midnights didnt have as big a cultural impact in 2023 as SOS did, and i think it was callous for the grammys to overlook sza's nomination. i think it would have been more fair if taylor swift won a different category, and sza won AOTY.
Yeah, I just think Taylor has better projects that would’ve made more sense and I don’t think people would’ve been as upset about this result. Like others where she could’ve probably won album of the year, and most people wouldn’t have bat an eyelash. Yeah I agree. Honestly, I think SZA should’ve took this award this time. I hope this is a releases, Lana, and that can be consideration for next years🥲
@@CamrynSuzanne oh so Mariah can shade them? But let it be Jay-Z and beyonce (beyonce wasn't even up there lol) and they're being too "Uppity". Lol BTW I love mariah for the shade.
You posed the question "What does a black female artist need to do to win album of the year" its simple, for a black female artist to win album of the year they need to make the album of the decade
I haven't watched since Kendrick Lamar didn't win album of the year for good kid maad city. That's when I knew what was up. There is no way I'll ever waste that much time again.
Absolutely, that was one of my all-time favorite albums and Kendrick deserved that! He was huge and well-loved with skills and storytelling to back it up. It was really great work.
I remember reading an interview with Mariah about Jay-Z going to her house and seeing her awards shelf and looking for the Grammys like "that's all???" I think this was before Emancipation so she had like, one or two.
Beck winning album of the year when 90% of the people never heard of him yet he beat out the surprise album Beyonce put out that literally broke the internet with a music video for every song and there was a song for everyone on that album
I wasn't mad personally because Beck has clout in the alternative world. Beck is a big name even if pepper don't know him. However the Mackelmore fiasco and last year Harry's win have me seetherin
Beyonce being the highest Grammy winner 32 and 88 nominations is based off her father once being in the Academy Committee. That's the compensation that comes with it. This is just unfortunate, because a lot of artists that deserves the Grammy that was given to Beyonce, ends up having their drive killed when they lose to her. Beyonce is good performer, but i don't really see that IT factor that made her more awarded than MJ or even Rihanna, can you imagine that WHAT'S MY NAME AND WORK both featuring drake did not win a Grammy? An her not winning AOTY is not deserving for Beyonce because she knows why. Well the truth is bitter and lies is better off for those who covers the truth. But time will tell.
Beck deserved his win. Man had been around since the late 80s/early 90s. He played 15 instruments on that album. He wasn't expecting that win because of the music he makes. Imo, biggest Beyonce snub was not winning for I Am Sasha Fierce. Every song on that was perfect!
@@macwillssecuritylimited6594 you reaching hard don’t break your back in the process What’s My Name was not Grammy worthy great collabs but not Grammy worthy.
As a fan of Taylor Swift's music I can definitely say Midnights did NOT deserve Album of the Year. It doesn't hold up with her previous wins. SZA should have won to me. But it would have been good if Lana got recognised. Also Olivia walking away with no award was wild too. Especially after Beyonce getting snubbed for Harry this is madness.
Great video. It’s sad how black artists especially women have been treated. At one point , the Grammys didn’t focus on sales and just the music. Then it shifted. Janet Jackson has been snubbed for many years. Even before the Super Bowl. Janet was the first woman nominated for producer of the year in 1990. That same year she was nominated in R&B, Rock and Pop. So many people have been snubbed it’s sad. Grammys are the recognition that artists want. It’s holds weight. They need to change their voting and nomination process.
Thank you! Yes it seems like they keep shifting their merits and still the grammys publicly presents themselves as more objective. So it becomes frustrating because they say one thing but are doing snother
She lost the AOTY Grammy for her control album (the only time she was ever nominated in that category) and every time I watch that clip you can see how much they cheered for Janet over the other contenders……and then she lost to idek who
As a Swiftie, even I think AOTY should’ve went to either SZA or Lana. As much as I like Midnights, I wouldn’t say it’s my favorite album from hers as everything it has was executed better in her other works. Lana has been in the industry for a long time too and I would’ve loved if she won. As for SZA, her album was deserving of an award too.
Thank you for making this video and starting this conversation. I'm not against people liking Taylor Swift (I'm personally not a fan of her), but you can't deny the special treatment she receives from the higher ups of the music industry.
@@CamrynSuzanne The truth always hurts, and you said nothing but the truth. Keep it up, your content is amazing and if you continue I can see your channel blowing up soon.
I will forever hate the Grammys for their complete disrespect for metal artists. That's my beef with them. They didn't even give my favorite band a Grammy until 2021! And this wasn't just any band, no, this was a band that'd been around for over 30 years and created some of the most significant metal albums of all time!!! Sorry, I just had to rant.
Actually, Metal bands always direspect by major music awards . What was the last time Metal bands perform in major award like vma, ama, bbm award . Some talented bands like Bad Omens, Ice Nine Kills deserved better at least put them in their nomination or even win some award !
And they always give the metal Grammy to Metallica. Their two worst albums (St. Anger and 72 Seasons) both won Best Metal Album, even though they were going up against a bunch of actually good albums
Great video! A lot of folks get uncomfortable at the very mention of race in, well, any topic-but particularly, in regards to music industry politics. But it needs to be addressed. Shoot, in 1988, two of my favorite artists (MJ and Prince) went home with 0 Grammys, despite releasing 2 impactful, quality, massive albums the previous year. For AOTY, they both lost to U2 🙃
Thank you! I know people are gonna start gaslighting and say, why do you make it about race. I didn’t make it about. I didn’t create the systems. Please, I wish I didn’t exist. But to act like it’s not a factor is so disingenuous on peoples end. I’m so sick of people denying it! Sidenote, I am so sick of U2. Always snatching a grammy from someone deserving 💀💀
I think the biggest issue with the Grammys is the lack of representation from the younger generations. why are 80 year olds voting for an award even though the music industry is HIGHLY based on young teenagers to adults.
@@positivitywins5687 Read the article "The Recording Academy’s 2023 New Member Class Is 50% People of Color" on the Billboard site. (I can't add the link to my comment because CZcams tends to hide comments with links in them.)
thank you for giving mariah the credit and praise that she deserves! in our contemporary age, many people write her off as "overrated" or only regards her as someone who sings christmas songs, but mariah has been in the business for over 30 years and she has made a huge impact on music, pop divas, and pop + rap collaborations. she is more than just a glamorous star: she is a songwriter, producer, and a talented vocalist. even before their snubbing on the emancipation of mimi, in 1996, mariah lost AOTY with daydream, and it had many hits, including "one sweet day" with boyz ii men that was number one for 14 weeks...
Of course! I am a Mariah Stan. She was my first concert in 2006. So she is so much more than just Christmas music. I personally think she doesn’t get enough flowers, and it pisses me off, especially in the context of the Grammys. She is the epitome of musical excellence. From the songwriting, to the singing, to the boundary, bending, to the collaborations. She is the ultimate artist.
As a fan of The Weeknd, I hate how when he is mentioned in articles, they always start with the three time grammy winning artist. I'm over here annoyed because after the huge After Hours snub, he stopped submitting to the academy and it's annoying to keep calling him the three time grammy winning artist while knowing he should have gotten more. Also After Hours was such a great album in terms of pacing, vocals, etc.
I’ve been so annoyed by the discourse I’ve seen especially from swifties during these conversations because I just can’t understand how people can’t understand the desire of artists to receive the accolades, acknowledgement, respect, and appreciation, you deserve in your respected field? If we have advanced so far as a society past all the biases and systematic under handing, then why is it asking too much to expect that artists like Mariah, Beyoncé, SZA, etc. get their flowers? It truly doesn’t make sense that the current and upcoming generation of artists are still having to overcome the same obstacles and hurdles that artists in the 80s had to? I’m not going to cut Taylor down because I respect the hell out of the battles she’s had to fight throughout her career as a woman. All I want is for artists that are just as deserving to be able to share the stage too. I keep hearing ppl say that Beyoncé doesn’t write her own music and that’s why, if AOTY was awarded based on songwriting merit then Beyoncé wouldn’t be nominated in the category in the first place….cut the bull 🙄 It isn’t arrogant or selfish to want to receive an award. We don’t do this to any other artists besides black women…time and time again ppl can’t stand on business. It’s disappointing to constantly have to be humble and hold your head high and act like you don’t care, while you see your peers relishing in their accomplishments.
Right! Like they will defend Taylor to the death. Especially when they feel like she’s not getting what she deserves, and they’re very vocal about it. But the second someone advocates her speaks up for another artist, or in this case a black artist…. We’re not supposed to have an opinion? So they don’t deserve it? Two things can’t be true at once? Like it’s all subjective and it’s all opinions but it just feels so dismissive. All We’re doing is advocating for artist that we appreciate and feel like deserve it. Period!
I don't think there's absolutely any issue with an artist wanting the respect and recognition they deserve. As I have said before, Beyonce was snubbed for Lemonade. THAT should have been her AOTY win and it would have been more than well-deserved. Now this last release, I didn't see the argument for her winning. However, if it were up to me personally, these awards would never take color of the artist into the equation (whether white or black) from the very beginning and should have based it on both quality and performance. Performance included because quality is merely subjective and no one would ever agree on whose work was best. Performance is objective and could show whose art generated the most success/recognition aka was liked the by the most. Those are the only conceivable ways I could see it going down fairly? Unless someone has a better suggestion. With that said, I don't believe in consolation Grammys. Like, we're gonna give you this one because you're overdue, or were snubbed, or because you're a minority, or because this or that. Give it for the work itself and the work alone. IMO.
@@CamrynSuzanneTaylor has never won Song Of The Year despite being one if not the most prolific songwriters of her generation. I've never heard a big uproar from Swifities about that, but maybe I haven't been around the right spaces. I think EVERY fan argues for their favs a lot. The Beehive was doing this loooong before the Swifties. lol
@@CamrynSuzanneexactly what are Taylor Swift’s album doing that award her album of the year 4x. She is mediocre I’m sorry but she is mediocre. She songwrites yeah but so do a lot of people. But she isn’t having monumental influential songs, projects that stand the test of time, albums that shook politics, Taylor isn’t doing that she is basic
@@JustMeAvaBFirst, if Tay's fans aren't uproaring, why the heck should we? Second, who cares if she didn't win for "singles", when she's won for 5 whole albums? Also, Taylor doesn't have that many singles that stand alone.
When they did that fake win for Ice Spice and Nicki, I was very unhappy, not because of Nicki not winning because she’s been in the industry; she's a top rapper; she doesn’t need a Grammy; but because it was an Ice Spice moment, and then to revoke it and give it to a song people haven’t heard.
She doesn't deserve a Grammy bc despite being the only female rapper for 15 years, the Academy paid her fairy dust. Likely bc they knew she didn't have the range and she felt entitled to something that must be earned through hard work...in theory. They only caved bc after seeing her self destruct over Megan for ten days straight, they feared for their lives. She was giving school 🔫 vibes real bad. How pitiful she had to eat off of Ice Spice to get anything significant. 💀💀💀💀💀💀
The fact that Taylor has won more in this category than all black women combined is such a joke. The only album that she deserved a win for was Evermore.
Also I am glad you mentioned double standards because I am seeing a lot of that on BOTH sides too. For instance, people argue Beyonce isn't overrated because people say all the time "she's overrated", while in the same breath saying Taylor IS overrated when a lot of people say the exact same about Taylor and constantly call her "mediocre" and hate on her as well. That's a huge double standard. They both work just as hard and meticulously as the other in their careers and for their art and if you follow both closely you would know that. Then you never hear people complain about vocal performance wins as they do AOTY and reference quality when Celine/Mariah/Whitney don't constantly snag those vocal categories as they supposedly should if it's up to quality ( they're the best vocalists in the industry). People fail to realize it is an academy of people who vote for these awards and every person likely uses their own selfish reasoning. Some likely vote for who was most popular, some for who they liked the best, some for who was best critically received etc. It's never the best quality album of that year winning as it would likely go to some obscure artist every year and the show would lose ratings, just like the vocal categories don't go to the best techincal singers every year or that would be a boring watch. I suspect most people who complain about Taylor winning so much just don't like her music or vibe with her, because if Beyonce had won 4 AOTY people would be complaining it wasn't enough. 😂
Yes!! Thank you for this. A lot of the convo. I am of the thought that beyonce and taylor shouldn’t even be compared fr. Different styles, different careers, different sounds. It gets exhausting.
@@CamrynSuzanneAgreed. They're at the top of their respective fields IMO. Some fans just can't fathom the idea of two women shinning at once. I think they're BOTH killing it and as you said they both have two completely different lanes and aren't even in competition with each other. I was SO happy to see them support eachother at the other's premiers!
Gonna agree, but no Beyoncé works and worked 10× harder than Taylor had and ever had to for what she have now and it's not even an opinion but just a fact. Beyoncé should have won at least 3 AOTY. How do you explain Self Titled losing to Beck in 2015 ? Lemonade to 25 ? Renaissance to Harry's House ? 🤨
I will never ever understand how Mariah Carey never won Album of the year for The Emancipation Of Mimi! Like that is the greatest comeback album of all time!!
Hi Camryn Thanks for this video because I'm starting to wonder what the hell is actually going on with the grammy's in general they are snubbing other celebrities in different countries as well and black female artists as well I'm seriously starting to wonder what is wrong with the grammy's they literally snubbed a celebrity from South Korea because he wasn't American they snubbed his music and other stuff this is exactly why i don't watch the Grammy anymore they keep snubbing other celebrities in Southeast Asia how is that even possible half of these celebrities are being robbed they just don't know it at all it truly boggles my mind that this is happening again, they did this last year and 2022 with a group i absolutely love who are famous for their music and other stuff it's not right at all i feel like that's an automatic slap to the face
Yes, I feel like it’s also an issue with international artist that they snub as well. Most of the time they’re only subject to certain categories and our seldom to get out of them. Or aren’t even nominated in the first place. There are so many issues with the Grammys and I am so tired of it!
@@CamrynSuzanne I'm on the same page as well they didn't nomiate my fiance who's a kpop idol overseas this really angers me that the grammy's are an absolute joke
Omg the Grammys really do seem rigged like how back for Grammys 2022 and how Billie eilish did not win album of the year or any awards for happier than ever is in my opinion blasphemy because you can see the work and hours put into the album itself it should’ve won at least one award and by this years it’s frustrating because no artist can go up against Taylor’s massive fan base thereby making it hard to compete for any category she’s nominated in she basically has a major head start (and that is not fair/that’s why the Grammys shouldn’t be based on fans and popularity etc they should be judged on musicality technicality and overall just how good it is)
Yes, it’s almost like there’s no middle ground. You have amazing artist that get snubbed or it’s like someone clean sweeps. If a project is as good as Billie Eilish is, for example. She should’ve walked away with something! That’s the stuff that you look back in the history books and think they really messed up
Billie Eilish won against Norman Fucking Rockwell ffs, are you gd kidding me trying to say it was rigged against her?? Nobody listened to happier than ever more than like twice except you maybe. And Taylor lost to Jon Batiste a couple years ago, so your argument about huge fan bases is absurd. God, think for five seconds before commenting
People don’t know how political the voting is. Block voting is supposed to be “against the rules” but it’s long established that Nashville is a sizeable voting block who will push anybody holding a guitar, as well as the Classical/Jazz contingent of the academy who went to fine art schools who will push one of their own i.e. Samara Joy, Esperanza Spalding, Jon Batiste. Regardless, both those blocks usually side with songs written on live instruments without too many samples or too many writers which has never favoured hiphop, R&B or electronic music. That’s why ‘1989’ and ‘Midnights’ winning AOTY always shocked me.
@@CamrynSuzanne I was gonna comment that if Beyoncé wants to win AOTY, she’s gonna have to cater to these blocks by doing some sort of acoustic album, very high on lyrical substance, with production accessible enough not to alienate anyone. She needs to write and produce on it, include nothing critics could view as “overproduced”, no samples, and maybe even go to Nashville and find some respected writers there to help craft the album - ….then here Beyoncé comes dropping two Country songs 😅…if she has and album full of songs 10 songs like “16 Carriages” then it honestly has higher chance of winning AOTY than any of her previous albums did.
@@nameisamine i was about to say she just dropped two singles that could definitely predict her act ii😂 she’s onto to something. I’m excited bc with taylor announcing her album at the Grammys , i think a lot of us thought “she has a strong chance of taking it again “ but Beyonce with this album may just finally win
@@CamrynSuzanne Unless academy voters were offended by Jay-Z’s speech and take it out on Bey by casting their votes elsewhere. Like you said in your video, some voters think she wins too much already. 😬
I didn’t even bother watching the Grammy’s this year so I don’t know who was nominated for what and who won. It’s just not worth watching, I feel like Grammy’s seldom go to people who deserve them. EDIT: I’m not gonna lie, I’m so glad Jay-Z spoke freely like that because they deserve to be called out, and I’m glad it was someone with so much influence and respect like Jay-Z
Unfortunately the Grammys are to ingrained in our society for the majority of public to not to care about. As much as I don't care about the Grammys I still watch just to see if my favs win like Victoria Monet and SZA. It sucks that black artists get snubbed out of the main awards every year when we have the most cultural impact on music for decades.
THANK YOU!! It’s really that impact I’m discussing sooo it’s a slap in the face that the Grammy can’t seem to give them what they deserve when it’s fully warranted
When they said it was subjective that’s when I knew never to take them seriously. Because it’s like what do you mean an award show is purely subjective? Music was already subjective anyways award shows are mean to be objective based on metrics and cultural impact
In 2012 I remember talking to a co-worker and saying “I do not understand the phenomena of Taylor Swift” and 12 years later I still don’t. Everything surrounding her is so orchestrated down to how she cheers for her “friends” It’s just weird.
I really want Taylor swift to take a break for at least 4 years. Don’t get me wrong I think she’s a good artist but she’s way too oversaturated. She never takes year long breaks. I’m thinking let your musical daughter Olivia take over😂
FR!! I can’t believe she’s releasing an album this soon, but more so for her sake. I don’t know if it’s going to do well after she’s had such a big year. It’s getting clear that people are growing a bit tired of her, and I’m feel like the hate is gonna grow now that she refuses to take some time off.
Tf? She’s 34 and your asking her to retire for 4 years? Making music is her job, if you don’t like her music don’t listen to it but don’t ask artists to retire just cuz YOU don’t appreciate their music
I think over saturated is a good word to use. And for her to announce the new album at the Grammys 😂😂 someone said taylors the person that announces her engagement at someone’s else wedding😂😂😂
I remember me and my mother talking about this and she said that now these award shows aren’t so global, big or impactful due to the fact that we can literally just look up these artists at any time and find out all this information about them. Back when they didn’t have Google or social media, people would have to check what specific times they would see their favourite stars on the telly and it would be so exciting to finally see them at the Grammys or something like that you know?
@@CamrynSuzanne no thank you, I was so baffled by all the stupid takes and how the situation was perceived that I was almost tempted to make a video lol the claims of selfishness, entitlement etc.. were crazy.
I would be willing to bet that the reason Taylor won is because the people in the academy voting for “quality” music probably ended up splitting the votes between SZA, Lana, olivia and boygenius, which left all those who vote by name recognition or who have the most middle of the road taste to pick Taylor
Side note: Michael Jackson and Prince were both nominated for AOTY at the 1988 Grammys, for two masterpiece albums ("Bad" for MJ, "Sign o' the Times" for Prince). And they both lost to... U2!!! Make it make sense!
Even though I love Taylor Swift's music and even though I loved midnights and like the better than I did folklore . I also love SOS and wanted to see it win. It's so easy for Taylor to get recognized for making great albums but feels almost impossible for black women to get recognized for the albums they put out. I want to experience my other favorite artists such as sza, Beyoncé, Mariah, Mary j. Blige, Brandy In so on and to win album of the year and to be recognized for their amazing music and their hard work in the industry. Not to say that Taylor doesn't work hard but they are also hard-working and they also deserve to win grammys and to have that moment. Even though it may not have been the biggest albums but I was really dissapointed when Kehlani's IWGUIW and blue water road wasn't nominated in the years they were released
Grammy's used to be more high brow 20 or 30 years ago and the snubs made sense back then. There could be a good 45 minutes of boring balls music that no one knows about or listens to because it was more representative of everything in the RIAA. Billboard or AMAs were where it was about your faves. Now it's much more mainstream and it's getting very noticeable.
I think the grammys should devide the album of the year into two awards kinda like they do with song and record of the year. One for most successful and record breaking album which would've gone to Midnights and one for the most creative, artistic and career defining album which would've gone to S.O.S. or to There's An Ocean Under Tunnel Boulevard. They should also add an award to influential albums, albums that weren't very successful or never won an award that have become some of the most influential albums of the current music scene. Here albums like Born To Die and Lemonade could win an award for being the inspiration behind many of the albums that get nominated each year. Because to me it genuinely makes no sense how Lana has never won a single Grammy award, yet Folklore which is an album that clearly mimics Lana's sound wins album of the year.
This could honestly be a decent solution and it would make the critera much more clear bc the grammy loses validity bc year to year it seems like different standards for aoty
Lana, SZA and boygenius should have won. I LOVED Midnights. I had that 3AM edition on repeat, but that album was just a group of good pop songs (not to mention she had 3 versions) that didn't really have an "album cohesiveness" nor did it move the musical needle. It was my same issue with Harry's House vs. Renaissance. Renaissance was AN ALBUM. Harry's House was a fun collection of bops. Not to mention Beyonce has released THREE albums in a row that embrace the album form and advanced Beyonce's sound and ambition. It's just nuts to me.
As a major swiftie. I’m happy for Taylor to win a 4th AOTY and make history. However midnights was not the album that deserved to do that. Especially not in such a stacked year. Her very previous AOTY album did something special. Fearless brought country to a new younger female audience. 1989 was a hugely influential album with its 80s synthy influence. Folklore captured the feeling of the start of the pandemic’s isolation. What did midnights do? Its a safe album for her that will be more remembered for the associated tour rather than the music. I’m happy for SZA’s 3 Grammies this year, but she deserved more. She provided such a breadth of an experience with SOS alongside that gorgeous tour. The Grammies have lost some of that prestige in my eyes because of this, but SOS will always be my winner 🏆
i think sabrina got snubbed. it also made me really mad when people were so mad at her for submitting the thingy for best new artist because "shes not new shes been making music for years" when noah, victoria monet, gracie abrams and coco jones have too.
I've been really enjoying your commentary on pop culture, specifically music. In a social media world lacking critical thought and full of empty thought processes, you're a breath of fresh air. With that said, my ultimate take on this issue and awards in the arts in general, is that we cannot be surprised that our faves do or don't win bc the process is going to be subjective by nature, regardless of the current voting process.The only way for it to be close to objective is to establish specific guidelines in how the artist must create their music in order to submit. For example, when you have runners in a race you know EXACTLY who the winners and runner ups are. Bc it's clear as to HOW to win. Essentially that is what needs to be done for awards in the arts (in this case music). BUT that will be at the expense of true art. Bc art is subjective and once u add rules and points then it becomes less about the art and more about fulfilling a checklist. It doesn't make sense in all honesty to hear ppl complain so and so doesn't have this award or this amount of awards when it's too open of a process. I mean those who vote for a Grammy don't even have to specialize in that category! And how does it make sense to pin artists in one group for album of the year. It's like putting Frida Khalo, Diego, Picasso and Claude Monet in a category for best painting. There should be more honest categories like "sales", "technique", "creativity", "streams", "global impact", "style", "most popular " and so on. Bc I will say this, I personally don't think Beyonce should be the most awarded and I don't think Taylor should have a single best album. Also, the artists being nominated and awarded are only the ones who submit. There are much better works IMO that deserve recognition and awards. But again this is the conundrum of art, it's its subjectivity.
The grammys love white artist it's clear to see. But clearly they love Beyonce even more. Having the most grammys is great but it's possible to have 8 silver medals and never won gold it goes the same way. Yes she deserved album of the year for I Am Sasha Fierce.
That’s why I said it sounds ridiculous for me to be defending Beyoncé she’s the most awarded artist, but I brought her up more as a principal. And as a baseline for future artists. Like if she’s not even getting this category, what will it take for the next? Great to get it?
@@CamrynSuzanne I agree what will it take for blacks to get proper recognition because every year as you said it's the same conversation just rinse and repeat but something needs to be done about it.
I mean Ariana grande was snubbed hugely with thank you next they just used her she Italian. And Grammy did the same thing with the Weeknd. That’s why they don’t go
This was SUCH a great video. I am a “swiftie” but I agree 100% with everything that you said and while I think it’s great to see Taylor win it takes so much away knowing that others weren’t actually considered due to their race. I was not thinking of it that way when I saw the win and when I saw Jay-Z’s speech I was like ‘he’s probably right’ but thought nothing else, but I feel like you really explained everything so well and had thought out and proven rebuttals for every point made against the argument and I really appreciated that! Really great video!!
Don't get me wrong, I've loved Taylor for the LONGEST time! But SZA for sure deserved this one. SOS was by far my favorite album this year. Midnights was a "fun" moment, a defining moment for Taylor because of the Eras success, but I believe more than a few other artists deserved it more! I think Jay Z hit the nail on the head.
The problem is the voters don’t seem to be as diverse as the nominees they award. I don’t think popularity and sales determines the winner, but it’s easier for voters to vote for the most popular artist and album that they know of or are a fan of rather then expanding their tastes to new artists, listening to all of the albums nominated, and having their own favorites.
hi!! i really appreciated this video! probably the most put together honest conversation about this and i learned a lot from it. i started watching the grammys in 2021 and every year i try to be more objective about the categories and decide for myself (more for fun but also bc i love music & am trying to be more broad with my taste). i thought this years' aoty nominees were the best in my opinion and i knew it would be heavily competitive but it was CLEARLY between taylor and sza. i've been a swiftie for years and so i do have a little bias, in my opinion, i think midnights is one of her best works and she deserved it, but to look at the history of the award is very telling and you did such a good job at explaining that. i was kinda shocked sza didn't take roty / soty for kill bill, i had her HIGH for those. i think you made such a good point about how we value the grammys bc this happens every year, everyone gets online and fights about it then we watch it again and root for our faves, i'm guilty of that too so it's a double edge sword. also the part about columbia backing h*rry instead of beyonce was shocking bc she 100% deserved that award last year and i'm still pressed ab it bc hh was not aoty material imo. overall, i really appreciate your videos! it definietly gives me a different perspective to think about & encourgaes healthy conversation, rather than pointless fighting on the internet!
Awe thank you for this🥹 i really just wanted to start an open conversation and point out how we contribute! I appreciate this comment and your willingness to see both sides.
It was the 1st year that I got interested in grammys, and I was shocked to find out that Beyoncé didn’t win aoty, I was so sure that Renaissance was 100% aoty, and I was unpleasantly surprised that it wasn’t. I like TS’s music, but Midnights didn’t deserve to win, and I was disappointed that it did. It was the last time I watched Grammys
I’m a swiftie and obviously I’m happy for Taylor but listening to SOS literally changed my life and sza has moved to my top 5 favorite artists. I think that SOS or ocean Blvd (Lana del ray) deserved aoty. I love every album nominated but I wanted sos to win the most.
Being a taylor fan myself, i absolutely don’t think midnights deserved. It’s a solid record but something like SOS was much stronger conceptually. One think about platforms like twitter etc, is that when something like this happens, people instantly go to attacking the artist who won instead of criticising the actual voters/people who gave the award. I understand the instinct to bully the winner, but i do feel like this doesn’t actually influence any sort of change, rather just attacking another individual who had zero control over the award. I remember a similar thing happened with alessia cara when she won for best new artist over SZA etc. The amount of hate she got was absolutely insane, all for something she had no say in.
I’ve always said that the Grammy’s should add an “Artist or Musician of the Year Award” as one of the big categories so that they’re able to distribute the wins better… I mean- they add new categories almost every year; many other award shows have it and it’s a great way to differentiate the idea that just because they where the most popular, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they had the best body of work. Because if you ask who was the biggest artist of 2023? Taylor Swift, but who had the best album of 2023? SZA. And I never understood why they can have categories like “Best New Artist”, “Best Producer”, etc; but not best overall artist or musician. 🙃
I gave up on the Grammys the second time they played in Beyonce's face and gave her album of the year award to someone else. I think it was Adele that year. Lemonade was a cultural phenomenon, how did that lose? Plus, the show was painfully boring that year. I decided that they are not getting 3 hours from me for this nonsense again. I know the artists care and want the awards, so I'm happy for them if they win. But, I don't care anymore. There are so many ridiculously talented folks with mega hits who never got a Grammy. The Ojays immediately come to mind.
Idk why people view the Grammys as some all powerful entity rather than a group of people who have their own opinions about music. Why did we ever give them a platform? Why do these unknown people hold so much power in the music industry???
Midnights wasn’t even a good album 😅 it was solid and fine but definitely Taylor’s weakest work. SZA‘s album had a lot more variety and new flavour for RnB. Really weird.
As a big Taylor swift fan I was rooting for SZA hard and I my heart sank a little when she didn’t win. I know Taylor had a massive year having the biggest tour of all time, but MIDnights was only a small part of that. All of my friends wanted SZA to win, SOS had the hits, the commercial and critical acclaim, it just seemed unfair. It truly felt like they were awarding Taylor for being the people’s princess and not for creating the best album. And as a big Taylor fan, I will say this was probably the first time in a long time she didn’t expect to win, comparing her pop vocal album speech to the AOTY you can see the first being a feigned surprised and she even announced a damn album. Her speech for AOTY was very unrefined and unrehearsed which leads me to think she didn’t think she deserved to win, I really wish she would’ve acknowledged SZA. I’m not mad, just disappointed. And obviously I don’t blame Taylor, this is an issue with the academy, I will not scapegoat her like many are, but I will hold firm in that SZA truly deserved to win.
I loved your video. I'm not even a fan of SZA or Beyonce, but I wouldn't dare to say they don't deserve AOTY Grammys because I'm not familiar with their music yet! I'm a fan of Taylor and I thought that this year there was a better contender in every category than her. My personal AOTY was GUTS, but I was also rooting for SOS since many people wanted it to win and there must be a reason. I'll have to listen to it. Jay Z's speech and your video was eye-opening for me. Hopefully something gets done because I just want more artists to get recognized and more good music to enjoy. Thank you for sharing your thoughts so eloquently!
Ahh thank you for you input!! And being able to see both sides especially as a taylor fan. I think some people see this conversation as an attack when it’s not that. It’s just fighting for other artists to also get their just do!
Nah, dude, I’m a huge Swiftie and hope for the best for our Blondie. But Midnights is not her best work. And someone else should have gotten that award. I mean I’m happy she got it, in a way that I am happy when she’s successful, but objectively? Nah.
The Grammies don’t seem to be based off vocal talent mainly. They usually care about whiteness, pop music, and which artist writes their own lyrics and sell the most so Adele and Taylor will always win. They claim they don’t care about sells but they do sometimes. Beyoncé doesn’t write hit songs so they give her the low level awards. Mariah had more competition throughout her career so I can see why she would have less Grammies even though I feel she deserves way more. Mariah had to compete during the height of rock music, with MJ, Prince, and Whitney. Either way I hope Bey wins it at some point.
Go to my community tab and vote on the poll! Vote for who you think should’ve won AOTY at the Grammy awards this year🏆😳
literally. still trying to win next year.
SZA her album was the best album in the album of the year category
Beyonce don't write her own songs, samples too much and so I agree with her not getting Album of the year. as a matter of fact I think she was too many Grammys
It would be cool if you did a historical deep dive about the Grammys. Would probably put a lot of things into context as to why Black and POC have historically been snubbed and outright excluded. Love your content! 🎉
Aaaw yall over the grammys coz Beyonce didn't win all the awards hahahaha it's an award show for actual good music ..not ur personal favourites..Beyonce hasn't released a great album since sasha fierce...if u listened to more than just rnb n pop u might have better taste in music incl better taste in rnb n a more refined pallet
The Grammys is truly not gonna hold up in our generation much longer.
It’s not, we’re so loud about our dissatisfaction now that it’s super hard to ignore
This is a pipe dream, even if they cancelled telecast for both the Oscars and the Grammys they would still remain the most prestigious awards in entertainment - at least within industry circles, bc it’s your peers/ colleagues, in the same bubble as you, voting on each other 🗳️
The general public don’t know about ASCAP awards or SAG awards but they’re considered prestigious honors in Hollywood.
They will. The winners r really based on who’s trending more. It’s all a game of clout. Despite a large amount of people dissatisfied, even more people r content
@@domthegreat815 who was content when Jon Batiste, won album of the year?
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Lmaooo let’s add the bet awards as well it’s not even blk- yea I’m pretty sure y’all know 😅
If there was a Ghostwriter Award, that would really open some eyes. Tons of black artists write songs for artists.
Yepp!! Case in point victoria monet has written for a long list of artists
Exactly everyone try to sugarcoat too much
I mean, if T-Pain can write for famous "Country" artists, I can only imagine.
There actually two awards ceremonies from the Grammys. The live broadcast with the popular artist and the pre-show for least popular music genres and production team. As for the pre show it’s kind of hard to get excited since you don’t know about the song writers who contributed.
This! ❤
I think deep down SZA knows, but she has to be polite, she likes Taylor, she doesn't want hate....its a whole thing that would unfold and she thinks its just not worth it.
For sure, she definitely has to play it a certain way publicly. I could imagine that she’d be a little bit disappointed but hey. If she was open about it, it would open a hole other can of worms.
@@staedlerokyou sound dumb and want attention but you have poor music taste which makes sense to how mediocre you are
@@staedlerokBOOO 🍅🍅🍅
@@staedlerok this isn’t true at all LMAO do you know how many stanley cup warriors i’ve encountered who know kill bill word for word?
@@staedlerok🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
The fact that Kanye, Beyoncé, Usher, Mariah, or Mary don’t have an AOTY win is CRAZY
Literally insane!
Mickael Jackson and prince too !!!!
Maybe they shod have made the best album of the year then lool just coz u like rnb music doesn't make it worthy of aoty just bcoz YOU like it lool most of it is computer generated and not real music..obvs it's not gonna win lool
@@mariegricourt6865MJ does have one for Thriller
@@jadebel7006 girl wtf are you talking about I’m just saying that as big as those artist are and culture shifting albums that they have it’s crazy that they haven’t won. If you don’t agree move on
As someone who has listened to Taylor Swift’s music since around 2010, I don’t think Midnights should have won. It didn’t introduce anything new to her music, nor was the writing amazing, nor did the album have a flow or story. I think it’s one of her least deserving albums to win. When I found out she won, I was disappointed but not really surprised. It really seems like the people voting for the Grammys just prefer her and that’s it. It is perplexing.
And it’s funny bc i did focus on that win but I actually really like Taylor’s stuff when she first came out! And that’s my issue, it’s not one her top projects subjectively to a lot of listeners . So it becomes tricky because of her project is wanting and it’s not even her best work, and there’s another artist that has their best work and they don’t get it… it’s like what do they have to do???!
@@CamrynSuzanneThat’s my issue too tbh, I started listening to her heavily when Debut came out (I was 12, so it’s been … a while). Midnights was subpar compared to everything else she’s put out, and I was genuinely surprised to see people saying the opposite. She’s capable of producing great work but midnights wasn’t that.
I feel the same as someone who generally enjoys Taylor's albums. Folklore winning was great, it was one of the most well deserved album wins to me because she did something a little different and put a lot of work into it and the album felt like a complete project.
Midnights as an album is not her best work. I liked some songs, but as an album it wasn't that different or experimental. The stuff in that album that could be considered experimental for Taylor is stuff alternative artists have been doing amazingly for years.
I feel bad for other nominees because there were really good albums in those nominations that I felt deserved praise. I get that it's "the era of Taylor" right now, but I think they did the other artists dirty this year for sure. Low-key I feel the same about last year's win.
A lot of people felt Fearless didn't deserve it or 1989, because of I Am...Sasha Fierce and Kendrick Lamar.
But I also state and Said everytime a black artist wins, their album is not explicit or cultural impact mostly jazz music, etc.
Ray Charles, HERBIE HANCOCK AND Jon batista.
Most underperformed and didn't capture the youth..
But they win because it was a safe album for white folks..
It wasn't unlike 1998
The two albums that were both groundbreaking and cultural impacting the industry and artists was Ray of Light by Madonna and the miseducation of Lauryn Hill back then competition was valid and every album even if nominated did something for the culture, it's rare an album does cultural stuff cos of the state of the industry and the gatekeeping.
@@robertprice4826💯
If you see Jay Z being so pissed that he almost does a Kanye just know something ain't right, just know just like us he's had enough.
Facts💀💀
I agree that Tay shouldn't have won AOTY, SZA maybe. I don't agree that it should have been Beyonce. But he was right, Tay shouldn't have been in that category.
I’m not a JayZ fan, but I respect him for speaking the truth
@@user-kq5mq2qu5pnot for Renaissance but he’s saying she never won best album, when Lemonade was right there ?
Lmao yea kuntye vibez but THEY WERENT WRONG in fact i wish kuntyegate never happened, maybe tayler swonft wouldnt be so poopular
At first, I wasn’t sure how I felt… but then I was reminded Harry won over beyonce. 😒 Definitely a pattern
Yeahh it’s crazy fr🫤
Yeah that was a pure ROBBERY. Jail to everyone who voted on Harry for that one 😭😭😭😭
& Macklemore over Kendrick Lamar 😬
Bcoz his music is better...if u listened to more than 2 genres of music you'd be able to see that ..the grammys aren't for unoriginal albums with generic computerised music that we've heard a million times b4 n even the songs on the album all sound the same..Beyonce hasn't made a great album since sasha fierce
@@jadebel7006I think you need to rewatch the video….
Black woman have such a big input to music in our generation. This is just sad
That’s what i’m sayin!!
Who is that besides SZA? Ice Spice?
@@vixxexo6855 Is this a real question?
@@vixxexo6855 how does it feel to be racist and ignorant
@@vixxexo6855girl… where did you muster up the confidence from to say something like that?
The fact that it’s been 25 years since a black woman won Album of the Year is beyond ridiculous! The Recording Academy should be ashamed for not properly recognizing the talents of black female artists in recent years!
Im black, and thats just a stupid statement, now I do see there is a problem with the fact that a black woman hasn’t won Album Of The Year in 25 years, but it seems like your demanding that black women get an Album Of The Year simply they are black women and not because they are talented. And Im quite sure there are other races of women that haven’t received Album Of The Year in years.
I mean in those 25 years, Dangerously In Love, The Emancipation of Mimi, Aaliyah (the album), Rated R, Anti, Cuz I Love You, Miss E…So Addictive, Lemonade, The Notorious K.I.M., SOS, etc, etc, etc. So many options to choose from! But for some reason, only 3 Black women have won this award, and none in the last 25 years. Fuck the Grammy’s. Seriously!
Tell me one mainstream album by a black woman, in the last 25 years, that has last than 10 producers in it. Other than Alicia Key's early 2000s albums, i don't know none, and Alicia Keys has two grammys in major categories so she is safe. Black women put 20+ producers in an album and want the Grammy to award them for an album that was made by 20 different male producers, like come on.
@@findfefito Is the amount of producers on an album a measurement about receiving a Grammy?
@@AriesGirl7719 For aoty? Is like a hidden rule the album having a few amount of ppl working on it. Rarely an album with a massive team of producers wins AOTY. Lets not pretend that having twenty plus producers working on your album makes you seem like a person who cannot do it on your own...
The way Lana was blinking in her tears broke me. Taylor did NOT deserve album of the year in my opinion
Yeah, if you watch the video back, Lana definitely looks sad. And at the time I didn’t realize, but she was nominated as well and she still was dragged on stage.😭😭
Lana and Taylor are extremely close friends. They came together. Maybe Lana was genuinely happy for Taylor. :)
@@CamrynSuzannedo y'all just forget that... Lana was also apart of the album or something 💀
I think she did. U blacks would like to win everything
SZA should’ve won album of the year. Taylor Swift album is mid. I believe she bought most of her Grammy wins.
the people who run the grammys clearly need to be replaced, if they want it to survive.
I think the biggest snubs that night were sza for aoty and Lana for once again leaving with zero Grammys. Both are amazing artists who deserved their recognition. Sza had one of the best sophomore albums released in a long while. SOS was talked about for an entire year even after its release. It dominated the charts. As a woc, I just felt so seen by her album. The relatability and honesty she expressed through her songs was just too good. As jay z said it, some people don’t deserve the awards they are given. Lana, on the other hand, continues to get treated as if she hasn’t contributed nothing to the industry. She paved waves for the newer generation of artists like Billie and Olivia, and even they have more Grammys than Lana. I think this is why I don’t take them seriously, some of the greatest don’t have Grammys themselves yet they have left a major impact in the music scene.
The one that sort of surprised me was Olivia not getting any wins. I for sure thought she would get SOTY or pop vocal album simply because she did well her second album. Then again, the competition was very tight this year. I don’t think she was necessarily snubbed due to being against some big names plus people already see her as a household name and her album got so many recognition/praise. She is still so new so she has time to turn it around and get more wins for future projects.
Thanks for saying things people are afraid of saying!! You made some valid points. Black woman are primarily always the ones getting snubbed and I’m sick of it!!
A couple things, I’m so passionate about SZA’s album, because like you said, it made me feel seen as well. The versatility, her experimentation, her ability to reach out to different people in audiences and connect. Is a superpower that I think she has a lot of artist just don’t! Also, I’m super surprised about Olivia as well, she had some amazing hits this year and I really really loved vampire. I think she should’ve won something for that. Like you said she has time though and I see more, Grammy wins for her and her future.
Also, thank you for validating me, and bringing up the race conversation! Because I knew people weren’t gonna like it, and I know I’m gonna get a lot of flack in the comments, but I’m not here to pander to people and be liked. I’m here to have an honest conversation and things won’t change until we have honest conversations.
@CamrynSuzanne really coz u just sound like a paranoid blakk women who's mad ppl like her didn't win the awards they didn't deserve lool I can garuntee u listen to 2 types of music n think u somehow know what great music is lool just coz YOU like sum1 doesn't make them better...listen to more music of different genres n decades n maybe one day you'll figure it out...ppl like Jay z n Beyonce out here convining u of discr! minati0n coz their weak products aren't good enuf to win all the awards wen they're the 2 of the richest ppl in the world lool n narcissists who wen they dnt get what they dnt deserve convince call it discr!minat 0ry n yall complain for them till they get they want n dnt deserve...Beyonce hasn't made a great album since sasha fierce n Jay z never has..agen listen to more than 2 types of music n maybe you'll learn
I'm also sad that Olivia Rodrigo didn't get any grammys, I truly believe they gave taylor the award for the sake of people knowing she would get it anyway
only time i respected the grammys was when meg said "idgaf 'bout a blog tryna bash me, im the shit per the recording academy"
yeah but it also meant she held their opinion and validations in super high regard.
@@suoutubez19To these artists, their validation is in high regard.
They have even done it to Michael Jackson thee literal king of pop. He won zero Grammys’ for his bad album which is literally insane since it’s one of his best albums and had such an impact on music as a whole. The Grammys has always had a problem when it comes to snubbing black artists and they do it year after year.
Yep & ppl steady trying to tell me it’s a made up problem🫤
I’m glad that the Grammys doesn’t award pedophiles like MJ.
I’m glad that the Grammys doesn’t award pedophiles like MJ.
I’m glad that the Grammys doesn’t award pedophiles like MJ.
I’m glad that the Grammys doesn’t award pedophiles like MJ.
im a lifelong swiftie, shes my most listened to artist of all time, shes one of my favourite artists of all time, but i was honestly disappointed that she won album of the year at the grammys. sza's SOS, lana del reys DYKTATUOB were much better than midnights. even though i love a lot of the songs on midnights, it wasnt taylor swifts best album, and she more or less didnt deserve AOTY for it. her albums such as fearless, speak now, red, 1989, and folklore/evermore totally deserved the dub, but midnights didnt have as big a cultural impact in 2023 as SOS did, and i think it was callous for the grammys to overlook sza's nomination. i think it would have been more fair if taylor swift won a different category, and sza won AOTY.
Thanks for being so honest. 👍🏾 ❤
Yeah, I just think Taylor has better projects that would’ve made more sense and I don’t think people would’ve been as upset about this result. Like others where she could’ve probably won album of the year, and most people wouldn’t have bat an eyelash. Yeah I agree. Honestly, I think SZA should’ve took this award this time. I hope this is a releases, Lana, and that can be consideration for next years🥲
But y’all made her sell. Make it make sense
@@eduardogavilanes4651 there is nothing wrong with people liking her music despite it not being culturally significant
I agree!
The subtle shade Mariah said when she received an award last week was 💯
I think more artists need to shade them honestly 💀
@@CamrynSuzanne oh so Mariah can shade them? But let it be Jay-Z and beyonce (beyonce wasn't even up there lol) and they're being too "Uppity". Lol BTW I love mariah for the shade.
@@gisselleptI think you’re a little confused here
Don't even get us Rock/Metal fans started on grammys. We have some ridiculously talented musicians.
You posed the question "What does a black female artist need to do to win album of the year" its simple, for a black female artist to win album of the year they need to make the album of the decade
I guess soooo then
Lemonade should have won then
@@daniellezedomi1784 like?? lemonade should have won
Beyonce, Lemonade and Renaissance deserve
They need to make a good album that deserves it. They don't deserve grammy wins just for being black.
I haven't watched since Kendrick Lamar didn't win album of the year for good kid maad city. That's when I knew what was up. There is no way I'll ever waste that much time again.
You saved yourself a lot of frustration! Bc the snubs didn’t end with that at all
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Absolutely, that was one of my all-time favorite albums and Kendrick deserved that! He was huge and well-loved with skills and storytelling to back it up. It was really great work.
I remember reading an interview with Mariah about Jay-Z going to her house and seeing her awards shelf and looking for the Grammys like "that's all???" I think this was before Emancipation so she had like, one or two.
Thank you for taking about this & giving these black women their flowers 💐
Of course!!
Beck winning album of the year when 90% of the people never heard of him yet he beat out the surprise album Beyonce put out that literally broke the internet with a music video for every song and there was a song for everyone on that album
I wasn't mad personally because Beck has clout in the alternative world. Beck is a big name even if pepper don't know him. However the Mackelmore fiasco and last year Harry's win have me seetherin
Beyonce being the highest Grammy winner 32 and 88 nominations is based off her father once being in the Academy Committee. That's the compensation that comes with it. This is just unfortunate, because a lot of artists that deserves the Grammy that was given to Beyonce, ends up having their drive killed when they lose to her.
Beyonce is good performer, but i don't really see that IT factor that made her more awarded than MJ or even Rihanna, can you imagine that WHAT'S MY NAME AND WORK both featuring drake did not win a Grammy?
An her not winning AOTY is not deserving for Beyonce because she knows why.
Well the truth is bitter and lies is better off for those who covers the truth. But time will tell.
Beck deserved his win. Man had been around since the late 80s/early 90s. He played 15 instruments on that album. He wasn't expecting that win because of the music he makes. Imo, biggest Beyonce snub was not winning for I Am Sasha Fierce. Every song on that was perfect!
@@nuclearwessels2078 Beck should have them not now. I Am Sasha was good but not as great as Lemonade that was a movement
@@macwillssecuritylimited6594 you reaching hard don’t break your back in the process What’s My Name was not Grammy worthy great collabs but not Grammy worthy.
Grammys are no longer a prestigious event,it just a who’s more popular award.
I was so sad when Taylor won for best graphics in a music video… over Melanie Martinez. Wtf
Taylor’s graphics and videos in general are not great so that is surprising.
Yeah I know melanie is putting out amazing visuals so that’s pretty crazy
As someone who loves both artists, even I have to say that Melanie’s VOID visuals were better than Anti-Hero’s.
She’s winning by default at this point for just being Taylor swift 😭
THANK YOU HOW THE TF DID ANTI HERO WIN FOR GRAPHIC EFFECTS 😭
As a fan of Taylor Swift's music I can definitely say Midnights did NOT deserve Album of the Year. It doesn't hold up with her previous wins. SZA should have won to me. But it would have been good if Lana got recognised. Also Olivia walking away with no award was wild too. Especially after Beyonce getting snubbed for Harry this is madness.
Yesss! I am so suprised olivia didn’t get anything.luckily, i think she will have wins in her future.
@@CamrynSuzanne yess!! we must give our girl time. Also, SZA's lose is so disappointing tho because of how much time she spent working on it.
Olivia’s Stomach GUTS is Trash 🗑 💩🚮🚮
Unpopular opinion I genuinely would have given AOTY to Olivia if it were up to me
SZA made that hiatus worth it and the fact that they literally looked at her dope album and gave the award to Taylor 😒😒
When you said that 4 wasn’t even nominated I quite literally choked on my cereal
Crazy right?!
Great video. It’s sad how black artists especially women have been treated. At one point , the Grammys didn’t focus on sales and just the music. Then it shifted. Janet Jackson has been snubbed for many years. Even before the Super Bowl. Janet was the first woman nominated for producer of the year in 1990. That same year she was nominated in R&B, Rock and Pop.
So many people have been snubbed it’s sad. Grammys are the recognition that artists want. It’s holds weight. They need to change their voting and nomination process.
Thank you! Yes it seems like they keep shifting their merits and still the grammys publicly presents themselves as more objective. So it becomes frustrating because they say one thing but are doing snother
Omg Janet Jackson it’s true! The velvet rope and janet were literally groundbreaking and have stood the test of time
She lost the AOTY Grammy for her control album (the only time she was ever nominated in that category) and every time I watch that clip you can see how much they cheered for Janet over the other contenders……and then she lost to idek who
As a society, our problem is we don't give credit when it's due.
As a Swiftie, even I think AOTY should’ve went to either SZA or Lana. As much as I like Midnights, I wouldn’t say it’s my favorite album from hers as everything it has was executed better in her other works. Lana has been in the industry for a long time too and I would’ve loved if she won. As for SZA, her album was deserving of an award too.
yess same
@Ichijou_Matsomoku308 yess, I love midnights sm but sos was unmatched
Thank you for making this video and starting this conversation. I'm not against people liking Taylor Swift (I'm personally not a fan of her), but you can't deny the special treatment she receives from the higher ups of the music industry.
Yess!! Thank you for understanding what I’m trying to say! I’m glad you enjoyed the video
You said what needed to be said! I’m so tired of this continuing to happen and I’m so happy you used Mariah Carey as an example.
Ahh thank you!! I got people tryna whack me in my comments like i’m trippin. It’s sooo irritating and we’re tired of these snubs
@@CamrynSuzanne The truth always hurts, and you said nothing but the truth. Keep it up, your content is amazing and if you continue I can see your channel blowing up soon.
I will forever hate the Grammys for their complete disrespect for metal artists. That's my beef with them. They didn't even give my favorite band a Grammy until 2021! And this wasn't just any band, no, this was a band that'd been around for over 30 years and created some of the most significant metal albums of all time!!!
Sorry, I just had to rant.
See, I never really thought about it from the metal perspective! But what you just said goes in line with all the many issues that the Grammys has!
It’s okay to let your feelings out! We all have different perspectives.
Actually, Metal bands always direspect by major music awards . What was the last time Metal bands perform in major award like vma, ama, bbm award . Some talented bands like Bad Omens, Ice Nine Kills deserved better at least put them in their nomination or even win some award !
And they always give the metal Grammy to Metallica. Their two worst albums (St. Anger and 72 Seasons) both won Best Metal Album, even though they were going up against a bunch of actually good albums
Great video! A lot of folks get uncomfortable at the very mention of race in, well, any topic-but particularly, in regards to music industry politics. But it needs to be addressed. Shoot, in 1988, two of my favorite artists (MJ and Prince) went home with 0 Grammys, despite releasing 2 impactful, quality, massive albums the previous year. For AOTY, they both lost to U2 🙃
Thank you! I know people are gonna start gaslighting and say, why do you make it about race. I didn’t make it about. I didn’t create the systems. Please, I wish I didn’t exist. But to act like it’s not a factor is so disingenuous on peoples end. I’m so sick of people denying it! Sidenote, I am so sick of U2. Always snatching a grammy from someone deserving 💀💀
😮 MJ & Prince? 😮 smh I was floored when that happened.
@@all4thegoodofit979 absolutely insane!!
@@CamrynSuzanneyes to all of that! U2 been on my bad side since that damn “FrEe AlBuM FoR eVeRyOnE!!!” fiasco 😭
@@all4thegoodofit979crazy, right? Michael looked so devastated, and Prince was in the audience like, “Chile, please!”
I think the biggest issue with the Grammys is the lack of representation from the younger generations. why are 80 year olds voting for an award even though the music industry is HIGHLY based on young teenagers to adults.
Good point. I would like to see the demographics of those on the Grammy board.
@@positivitywins5687 Read the article "The Recording Academy’s 2023 New Member Class Is 50% People of Color" on the Billboard site.
(I can't add the link to my comment because CZcams tends to hide comments with links in them.)
thank you for giving mariah the credit and praise that she deserves! in our contemporary age, many people write her off as "overrated" or only regards her as someone who sings christmas songs, but mariah has been in the business for over 30 years and she has made a huge impact on music, pop divas, and pop + rap collaborations. she is more than just a glamorous star: she is a songwriter, producer, and a talented vocalist. even before their snubbing on the emancipation of mimi, in 1996, mariah lost AOTY with daydream, and it had many hits, including "one sweet day" with boyz ii men that was number one for 14 weeks...
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Of course! I am a Mariah Stan. She was my first concert in 2006. So she is so much more than just Christmas music. I personally think she doesn’t get enough flowers, and it pisses me off, especially in the context of the Grammys. She is the epitome of musical excellence. From the songwriting, to the singing, to the boundary, bending, to the collaborations. She is the ultimate artist.
One sweet day was number.1 for 16 weeks
As a fan of The Weeknd, I hate how when he is mentioned in articles, they always start with the three time grammy winning artist. I'm over here annoyed because after the huge After Hours snub, he stopped submitting to the academy and it's annoying to keep calling him the three time grammy winning artist while knowing he should have gotten more. Also After Hours was such a great album in terms of pacing, vocals, etc.
Wow! I forgot about that.
Yeah that’s soooo bold how they did him, i’m glad he washed his hands clean from their BS
I’ve been so annoyed by the discourse I’ve seen especially from swifties during these conversations because I just can’t understand how people can’t understand the desire of artists to receive the accolades, acknowledgement, respect, and appreciation, you deserve in your respected field? If we have advanced so far as a society past all the biases and systematic under handing, then why is it asking too much to expect that artists like Mariah, Beyoncé, SZA, etc. get their flowers?
It truly doesn’t make sense that the current and upcoming generation of artists are still having to overcome the same obstacles and hurdles that artists in the 80s had to?
I’m not going to cut Taylor down because I respect the hell out of the battles she’s had to fight throughout her career as a woman. All I want is for artists that are just as deserving to be able to share the stage too. I keep hearing ppl say that Beyoncé doesn’t write her own music and that’s why, if AOTY was awarded based on songwriting merit then Beyoncé wouldn’t be nominated in the category in the first place….cut the bull 🙄
It isn’t arrogant or selfish to want to receive an award. We don’t do this to any other artists besides black women…time and time again ppl can’t stand on business. It’s disappointing to constantly have to be humble and hold your head high and act like you don’t care, while you see your peers relishing in their accomplishments.
Right! Like they will defend Taylor to the death. Especially when they feel like she’s not getting what she deserves, and they’re very vocal about it. But the second someone advocates her speaks up for another artist, or in this case a black artist…. We’re not supposed to have an opinion? So they don’t deserve it? Two things can’t be true at once? Like it’s all subjective and it’s all opinions but it just feels so dismissive. All We’re doing is advocating for artist that we appreciate and feel like deserve it. Period!
I don't think there's absolutely any issue with an artist wanting the respect and recognition they deserve. As I have said before, Beyonce was snubbed for Lemonade. THAT should have been her AOTY win and it would have been more than well-deserved. Now this last release, I didn't see the argument for her winning.
However, if it were up to me personally, these awards would never take color of the artist into the equation (whether white or black) from the very beginning and should have based it on both quality and performance. Performance included because quality is merely subjective and no one would ever agree on whose work was best. Performance is objective and could show whose art generated the most success/recognition aka was liked the by the most. Those are the only conceivable ways I could see it going down fairly? Unless someone has a better suggestion.
With that said, I don't believe in consolation Grammys. Like, we're gonna give you this one because you're overdue, or were snubbed, or because you're a minority, or because this or that. Give it for the work itself and the work alone. IMO.
@@CamrynSuzanneTaylor has never won Song Of The Year despite being one if not the most prolific songwriters of her generation. I've never heard a big uproar from Swifities about that, but maybe I haven't been around the right spaces. I think EVERY fan argues for their favs a lot. The Beehive was doing this loooong before the Swifties. lol
@@CamrynSuzanneexactly what are Taylor Swift’s album doing that award her album of the year 4x. She is mediocre I’m sorry but she is mediocre. She songwrites yeah but so do a lot of people. But she isn’t having monumental influential songs, projects that stand the test of time, albums that shook politics, Taylor isn’t doing that she is basic
@@JustMeAvaBFirst, if Tay's fans aren't uproaring, why the heck should we? Second, who cares if she didn't win for "singles", when she's won for 5 whole albums? Also, Taylor doesn't have that many singles that stand alone.
You’re gonna shake the table w/ this one🥳
And WILL👀
It’s gonna shake! But good for you! Looking at things from a different perspective is the key to a lot of issues.
The Emancipation of Mimi and Late Registration in the same category would make me cry if I had to vote.
When they did that fake win for Ice Spice and Nicki, I was very unhappy, not because of Nicki not winning because she’s been in the industry; she's a top rapper; she doesn’t need a Grammy; but because it was an Ice Spice moment, and then to revoke it and give it to a song people haven’t heard.
Yeah, TBH that was bold AF…. Especially because I would’ve been Nicki’s first Grammy win. Grammy is always on some games.
Ice Spice is terrible
the billie eilish song was actually Way more popular than barbie world, it has almost double the streams. i think it deserved to win
@@pan6529 I can agree with that too.
She doesn't deserve a Grammy bc despite being the only female rapper for 15 years, the Academy paid her fairy dust. Likely bc they knew she didn't have the range and she felt entitled to something that must be earned through hard work...in theory.
They only caved bc after seeing her self destruct over Megan for ten days straight, they feared for their lives. She was giving school 🔫 vibes real bad.
How pitiful she had to eat off of Ice Spice to get anything significant. 💀💀💀💀💀💀
Period. I don’t even have anything to add here girlie you said it all 💅🏾
Ooooppp thank youu💁🏾♀️💁🏾♀️
The fact that Taylor has won more in this category than all black women combined is such a joke. The only album that she deserved a win for was Evermore.
Also I am glad you mentioned double standards because I am seeing a lot of that on BOTH sides too. For instance, people argue Beyonce isn't overrated because people say all the time "she's overrated", while in the same breath saying Taylor IS overrated when a lot of people say the exact same about Taylor and constantly call her "mediocre" and hate on her as well. That's a huge double standard. They both work just as hard and meticulously as the other in their careers and for their art and if you follow both closely you would know that. Then you never hear people complain about vocal performance wins as they do AOTY and reference quality when Celine/Mariah/Whitney don't constantly snag those vocal categories as they supposedly should if it's up to quality ( they're the best vocalists in the industry).
People fail to realize it is an academy of people who vote for these awards and every person likely uses their own selfish reasoning. Some likely vote for who was most popular, some for who they liked the best, some for who was best critically received etc. It's never the best quality album of that year winning as it would likely go to some obscure artist every year and the show would lose ratings, just like the vocal categories don't go to the best techincal singers every year or that would be a boring watch. I suspect most people who complain about Taylor winning so much just don't like her music or vibe with her, because if Beyonce had won 4 AOTY people would be complaining it wasn't enough. 😂
Yes!! Thank you for this. A lot of the convo. I am of the thought that beyonce and taylor shouldn’t even be compared fr. Different styles, different careers, different sounds. It gets exhausting.
@@CamrynSuzanneAgreed. They're at the top of their respective fields IMO. Some fans just can't fathom the idea of two women shinning at once. I think they're BOTH killing it and as you said they both have two completely different lanes and aren't even in competition with each other. I was SO happy to see them support eachother at the other's premiers!
Gonna agree, but no Beyoncé works and worked 10× harder than Taylor had and ever had to for what she have now and it's not even an opinion but just a fact.
Beyoncé should have won at least 3 AOTY. How do you explain Self Titled losing to Beck in 2015 ? Lemonade to 25 ? Renaissance to Harry's House ?
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I will never ever understand how Mariah Carey never won Album of the year for The Emancipation Of Mimi! Like that is the greatest comeback album of all time!!
Thee comeback album!!!
Hi Camryn Thanks for this video because I'm starting to wonder what the hell is actually going on with the grammy's in general they are snubbing other celebrities in different countries as well and black female artists as well I'm seriously starting to wonder what is wrong with the grammy's they literally snubbed a celebrity from South Korea because he wasn't American they snubbed his music and other stuff this is exactly why i don't watch the Grammy anymore they keep snubbing other celebrities in Southeast Asia how is that even possible half of these celebrities are being robbed they just don't know it at all it truly boggles my mind that this is happening again, they did this last year and 2022 with a group i absolutely love who are famous for their music and other stuff it's not right at all i feel like that's an automatic slap to the face
Yes, I feel like it’s also an issue with international artist that they snub as well. Most of the time they’re only subject to certain categories and our seldom to get out of them. Or aren’t even nominated in the first place. There are so many issues with the Grammys and I am so tired of it!
@@CamrynSuzanne I'm on the same page as well they didn't nomiate my fiance who's a kpop idol overseas this really angers me that the grammy's are an absolute joke
Omg the Grammys really do seem rigged like how back for Grammys 2022 and how Billie eilish did not win album of the year or any awards for happier than ever is in my opinion blasphemy because you can see the work and hours put into the album itself it should’ve won at least one award and by this years it’s frustrating because no artist can go up against Taylor’s massive fan base thereby making it hard to compete for any category she’s nominated in she basically has a major head start (and that is not fair/that’s why the Grammys shouldn’t be based on fans and popularity etc they should be judged on musicality technicality and overall just how good it is)
Yes, it’s almost like there’s no middle ground. You have amazing artist that get snubbed or it’s like someone clean sweeps. If a project is as good as Billie Eilish is, for example. She should’ve walked away with something! That’s the stuff that you look back in the history books and think they really messed up
Billie Eilish won against Norman Fucking Rockwell ffs, are you gd kidding me trying to say it was rigged against her?? Nobody listened to happier than ever more than like twice except you maybe. And Taylor lost to Jon Batiste a couple years ago, so your argument about huge fan bases is absurd. God, think for five seconds before commenting
@@CamrynSuzanneespere, We are do Jon era muito superior a todos que concorriam com ele para o AOTY.Ele mereceu ganhar e Billie deu azar
People don’t know how political the voting is. Block voting is supposed to be “against the rules” but it’s long established that Nashville is a sizeable voting block who will push anybody holding a guitar, as well as the Classical/Jazz contingent of the academy who went to fine art schools who will push one of their own i.e. Samara Joy, Esperanza Spalding, Jon Batiste. Regardless, both those blocks usually side with songs written on live instruments without too many samples or too many writers which has never favoured hiphop, R&B or electronic music. That’s why ‘1989’ and ‘Midnights’ winning AOTY always shocked me.
Ohh!! Thats one reason why i noticed jon batiste is nominated often especially for AOTY category. That’s very interesting
@@CamrynSuzanne I was gonna comment that if Beyoncé wants to win AOTY, she’s gonna have to cater to these blocks by doing some sort of acoustic album, very high on lyrical substance, with production accessible enough not to alienate anyone. She needs to write and produce on it, include nothing critics could view as “overproduced”, no samples, and maybe even go to Nashville and find some respected writers there to help craft the album - ….then here Beyoncé comes dropping two Country songs 😅…if she has and album full of songs 10 songs like “16 Carriages” then it honestly has higher chance of winning AOTY than any of her previous albums did.
@@nameisamine i was about to say she just dropped two singles that could definitely predict her act ii😂 she’s onto to something. I’m excited bc with taylor announcing her album at the Grammys , i think a lot of us thought “she has a strong chance of taking it again “ but Beyonce with this album may just finally win
@@CamrynSuzanne Unless academy voters were offended by Jay-Z’s speech and take it out on Bey by casting their votes elsewhere. Like you said in your video, some voters think she wins too much already. 😬
I was so disappointed that Olivia Rodrigo didn't win a Grammy.
As an Olivia fan, the fact that she won 3 grammys for SOUR but none for GUTS is insane.
@@meaadal-hadidi7306definitely. And her album is the most critically acclaimed of the bunch.
SZA should have won for real, her album was creative and new. Taylor's was good, but not anything new or different.
I didn’t even bother watching the Grammy’s this year so I don’t know who was nominated for what and who won. It’s just not worth watching, I feel like Grammy’s seldom go to people who deserve them.
EDIT: I’m not gonna lie, I’m so glad Jay-Z spoke freely like that because they deserve to be called out, and I’m glad it was someone with so much influence and respect like Jay-Z
Yeah i think i’m done watching for now…🫤🫤 also same i think it’s important that these key industry players start speaking out openly
Unfortunately the Grammys are to ingrained in our society for the majority of public to not to care about. As much as I don't care about the Grammys I still watch just to see if my favs win like Victoria Monet and SZA. It sucks that black artists get snubbed out of the main awards every year when we have the most cultural impact on music for decades.
Speak!
THANK YOU!! It’s really that impact I’m discussing sooo it’s a slap in the face that the Grammy can’t seem to give them what they deserve when it’s fully warranted
Did you know that there's a LONG tunnel under ocean blvd killed me😭😭
Yeahh girl i accidentally added an extra word😭 i think subconsciously i was thinking “this is a LONG title “ and i just slipped the word in there
I’ve been waiting for you to speak on this!
I gotta give the people what they want! Hope you enjoy 🫶🏽
Beyoncé should have won for Lemonade 💯 same for Mariah with Emancipation of Mimi. I don't even watch the Grammy's because it's so fake
Yeah I truly think I’m a stop watching because those snubs are just egregious
When they said it was subjective that’s when I knew never to take them seriously. Because it’s like what do you mean an award show is purely subjective? Music was already subjective anyways award shows are mean to be objective based on metrics and cultural impact
Mmmm that’s a good way to look at that…🤔🤔
In 2012 I remember talking to a co-worker and saying “I do not understand the phenomena of Taylor Swift” and 12 years later I still don’t. Everything surrounding her is so orchestrated down to how she cheers for her “friends”
It’s just weird.
exactly she's so fraudulent. Those of us who are energetically sensitive can sense that ish
I truly don’t understand it either
I really want Taylor swift to take a break for at least 4 years. Don’t get me wrong I think she’s a good artist but she’s way too oversaturated. She never takes year long breaks. I’m thinking let your musical daughter Olivia take over😂
FR!! I can’t believe she’s releasing an album this soon, but more so for her sake. I don’t know if it’s going to do well after she’s had such a big year. It’s getting clear that people are growing a bit tired of her, and I’m feel like the hate is gonna grow now that she refuses to take some time off.
Tf? She’s 34 and your asking her to retire for 4 years? Making music is her job, if you don’t like her music don’t listen to it but don’t ask artists to retire just cuz YOU don’t appreciate their music
@@hallway6503this soon? She releases one on average every two years… midnights came out 1.5 years ago so it’s fitting that a knew album is coming out
@@Hulk1514 I ain’t say she should retire I said she should take a break. There’s a difference.
I think over saturated is a good word to use. And for her to announce the new album at the Grammys 😂😂 someone said taylors the person that announces her engagement at someone’s else wedding😂😂😂
Great video! You said a lot! Some people just don’t understand and that’s okay. Diversity and inclusion is so important. Keep up the great work.
Absolutely!!
i LOVE your channel sm, also the grammys just seem rigged to me at this point. keep up the great work queen
Omg thank youuu!!🥹 I will keep keep keep making videos!!
I remember me and my mother talking about this and she said that now these award shows aren’t so global, big or impactful due to the fact that we can literally just look up these artists at any time and find out all this information about them. Back when they didn’t have Google or social media, people would have to check what specific times they would see their favourite stars on the telly and it would be so exciting to finally see them at the Grammys or something like that you know?
finally someone articulates the situation properly
Thank you🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
@@CamrynSuzanne no thank you, I was so baffled by all the stupid takes and how the situation was perceived that I was almost tempted to make a video lol the claims of selfishness, entitlement etc.. were crazy.
I would be willing to bet that the reason Taylor won is because the people in the academy voting for “quality” music probably ended up splitting the votes between SZA, Lana, olivia and boygenius, which left all those who vote by name recognition or who have the most middle of the road taste to pick Taylor
Yeahh that could be very true , i could see it going that way
Side note: Michael Jackson and Prince were both nominated for AOTY at the 1988 Grammys, for two masterpiece albums ("Bad" for MJ, "Sign o' the Times" for Prince).
And they both lost to... U2!!!
Make it make sense!
So Mariah, Michael and Prince all lost to U2…I’m so sick of U2😭
Even though I love Taylor Swift's music and even though I loved midnights and like the better than I did folklore . I also love SOS and wanted to see it win. It's so easy for Taylor to get recognized for making great albums but feels almost impossible for black women to get recognized for the albums they put out. I want to experience my other favorite artists such as sza, Beyoncé, Mariah, Mary j. Blige, Brandy In so on and to win album of the year and to be recognized for their amazing music and their hard work in the industry.
Not to say that Taylor doesn't work hard but they are also hard-working and they also deserve to win grammys and to have that moment. Even though it may not have been the biggest albums but I was really dissapointed when Kehlani's IWGUIW and blue water road wasn't nominated in the years they were released
Kehlani is very underrated imo
Grammy's used to be more high brow 20 or 30 years ago and the snubs made sense back then. There could be a good 45 minutes of boring balls music that no one knows about or listens to because it was more representative of everything in the RIAA. Billboard or AMAs were where it was about your faves. Now it's much more mainstream and it's getting very noticeable.
Mmm! That’s a really good observation. I didn’t really think of it like that
You…are amazing! You possess brains and beauty. Love your candor! Keep it going!!!
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I think the grammys should devide the album of the year into two awards kinda like they do with song and record of the year. One for most successful and record breaking album which would've gone to Midnights and one for the most creative, artistic and career defining album which would've gone to S.O.S. or to There's An Ocean Under Tunnel Boulevard.
They should also add an award to influential albums, albums that weren't very successful or never won an award that have become some of the most influential albums of the current music scene. Here albums like Born To Die and Lemonade could win an award for being the inspiration behind many of the albums that get nominated each year. Because to me it genuinely makes no sense how Lana has never won a single Grammy award, yet Folklore which is an album that clearly mimics Lana's sound wins album of the year.
They should divide album of the year into 2.
Black people kept complaining so one dummy award for black people and one for competitors.
@@eden493excuse me? So gross
This could honestly be a decent solution and it would make the critera much more clear bc the grammy loses validity bc year to year it seems like different standards for aoty
Lana, SZA and boygenius should have won. I LOVED Midnights. I had that 3AM edition on repeat, but that album was just a group of good pop songs (not to mention she had 3 versions) that didn't really have an "album cohesiveness" nor did it move the musical needle. It was my same issue with Harry's House vs. Renaissance. Renaissance was AN ALBUM. Harry's House was a fun collection of bops. Not to mention Beyonce has released THREE albums in a row that embrace the album form and advanced Beyonce's sound and ambition. It's just nuts to me.
As a major swiftie. I’m happy for Taylor to win a 4th AOTY and make history. However midnights was not the album that deserved to do that. Especially not in such a stacked year. Her very previous AOTY album did something special. Fearless brought country to a new younger female audience. 1989 was a hugely influential album with its 80s synthy influence. Folklore captured the feeling of the start of the pandemic’s isolation. What did midnights do? Its a safe album for her that will be more remembered for the associated tour rather than the music.
I’m happy for SZA’s 3 Grammies this year, but she deserved more. She provided such a breadth of an experience with SOS alongside that gorgeous tour. The Grammies have lost some of that prestige in my eyes because of this, but SOS will always be my winner 🏆
i think sabrina got snubbed. it also made me really mad when people were so mad at her for submitting the thingy for best new artist because "shes not new shes been making music for years" when noah, victoria monet, gracie abrams and coco jones have too.
Wait people were mad??? I think Sabrina would’ve been a perfect contender for that category. I’m confused why people would be upset🫤 i like sabrina!!
@@CamrynSuzanneoh yeah. People on twitter mainly TikTok were mad as hell talking major shit about Sabrina.
@@wid0wsbxtch seee ionn like that because Sabrina is that girl
I've been really enjoying your commentary on pop culture, specifically music. In a social media world lacking critical thought and full of empty thought processes, you're a breath of fresh air. With that said, my ultimate take on this issue and awards in the arts in general, is that we cannot be surprised that our faves do or don't win bc the process is going to be subjective by nature, regardless of the current voting process.The only way for it to be close to objective is to establish specific guidelines in how the artist must create their music in order to submit. For example, when you have runners in a race you know EXACTLY who the winners and runner ups are. Bc it's clear as to HOW to win. Essentially that is what needs to be done for awards in the arts (in this case music). BUT that will be at the expense of true art. Bc art is subjective and once u add rules and points then it becomes less about the art and more about fulfilling a checklist. It doesn't make sense in all honesty to hear ppl complain so and so doesn't have this award or this amount of awards when it's too open of a process. I mean those who vote for a Grammy don't even have to specialize in that category! And how does it make sense to pin artists in one group for album of the year. It's like putting Frida Khalo, Diego, Picasso and Claude Monet in a category for best painting. There should be more honest categories like "sales", "technique", "creativity", "streams", "global impact", "style", "most popular " and so on. Bc I will say this, I personally don't think Beyonce should be the most awarded and I don't think Taylor should have a single best album. Also, the artists being nominated and awarded are only the ones who submit. There are much better works IMO that deserve recognition and awards. But again this is the conundrum of art, it's its subjectivity.
The grammys love white artist it's clear to see. But clearly they love Beyonce even more. Having the most grammys is great but it's possible to have 8 silver medals and never won gold it goes the same way. Yes she deserved album of the year for I Am Sasha Fierce.
That’s why I said it sounds ridiculous for me to be defending Beyoncé she’s the most awarded artist, but I brought her up more as a principal. And as a baseline for future artists. Like if she’s not even getting this category, what will it take for the next? Great to get it?
@@CamrynSuzanne I agree what will it take for blacks to get proper recognition because every year as you said it's the same conversation just rinse and repeat but something needs to be done about it.
I mean Ariana grande was snubbed hugely with thank you next they just used her she Italian.
And Grammy did the same thing with the Weeknd.
That’s why they don’t go
Sasha Fierce still stands, to me, as her most iconic, quintessential album. That made her a household name. Her not winning for that was awful!
This was SUCH a great video. I am a “swiftie” but I agree 100% with everything that you said and while I think it’s great to see Taylor win it takes so much away knowing that others weren’t actually considered due to their race. I was not thinking of it that way when I saw the win and when I saw Jay-Z’s speech I was like ‘he’s probably right’ but thought nothing else, but I feel like you really explained everything so well and had thought out and proven rebuttals for every point made against the argument and I really appreciated that! Really great video!!
I heard 0 lies. You laid it out very gently, for the people in the back.
I lost my mind quietly over Victoria winning.
😅😂
Thank you! Tbh i think I could’ve said more but I was trying to be honest while lowkey sparring people’s feelings
Don't get me wrong, I've loved Taylor for the LONGEST time! But SZA for sure deserved this one. SOS was by far my favorite album this year. Midnights was a "fun" moment, a defining moment for Taylor because of the Eras success, but I believe more than a few other artists deserved it more! I think Jay Z hit the nail on the head.
Your video essays are always amazing and well thought out
Agree with everything you said
Thank youuu🙏🏽🙏🏽🥹
I’m the biggest swiftie and I can even admit Midnights shouldn’t have won.
The fact they didn't give Janelle Monae a grammy for the age of pleasure is crazy.
The problem is the voters don’t seem to be as diverse as the nominees they award. I don’t think popularity and sales determines the winner, but it’s easier for voters to vote for the most popular artist and album that they know of or are a fan of rather then expanding their tastes to new artists, listening to all of the albums nominated, and having their own favorites.
You are an amazing journalist btw! Thank you for sharing your opinion with me.
Wow thank you!!
hi!! i really appreciated this video! probably the most put together honest conversation about this and i learned a lot from it. i started watching the grammys in 2021 and every year i try to be more objective about the categories and decide for myself (more for fun but also bc i love music & am trying to be more broad with my taste). i thought this years' aoty nominees were the best in my opinion and i knew it would be heavily competitive but it was CLEARLY between taylor and sza. i've been a swiftie for years and so i do have a little bias, in my opinion, i think midnights is one of her best works and she deserved it, but to look at the history of the award is very telling and you did such a good job at explaining that. i was kinda shocked sza didn't take roty / soty for kill bill, i had her HIGH for those. i think you made such a good point about how we value the grammys bc this happens every year, everyone gets online and fights about it then we watch it again and root for our faves, i'm guilty of that too so it's a double edge sword. also the part about columbia backing h*rry instead of beyonce was shocking bc she 100% deserved that award last year and i'm still pressed ab it bc hh was not aoty material imo. overall, i really appreciate your videos! it definietly gives me a different perspective to think about & encourgaes healthy conversation, rather than pointless fighting on the internet!
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Awe thank you for this🥹 i really just wanted to start an open conversation and point out how we contribute! I appreciate this comment and your willingness to see both sides.
It was the 1st year that I got interested in grammys, and I was shocked to find out that Beyoncé didn’t win aoty, I was so sure that Renaissance was 100% aoty, and I was unpleasantly surprised that it wasn’t. I like TS’s music, but Midnights didn’t deserve to win, and I was disappointed that it did. It was the last time I watched Grammys
Sometimes its all just one big disappointment!!
After they snubbed Kendrick w “Good Kidd Maad City” back in 2013 I was done
I’m a swiftie and obviously I’m happy for Taylor but listening to SOS literally changed my life and sza has moved to my top 5 favorite artists. I think that SOS or ocean Blvd (Lana del ray) deserved aoty. I love every album nominated but I wanted sos to win the most.
Being a taylor fan myself, i absolutely don’t think midnights deserved. It’s a solid record but something like SOS was much stronger conceptually. One think about platforms like twitter etc, is that when something like this happens, people instantly go to attacking the artist who won instead of criticising the actual voters/people who gave the award. I understand the instinct to bully the winner, but i do feel like this doesn’t actually influence any sort of change, rather just attacking another individual who had zero control over the award. I remember a similar thing happened with alessia cara when she won for best new artist over SZA etc. The amount of hate she got was absolutely insane, all for something she had no say in.
I’ve always said that the Grammy’s should add an “Artist or Musician of the Year Award” as one of the big categories so that they’re able to distribute the wins better… I mean- they add new categories almost every year; many other award shows have it and it’s a great way to differentiate the idea that just because they where the most popular, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they had the best body of work. Because if you ask who was the biggest artist of 2023? Taylor Swift, but who had the best album of 2023? SZA.
And I never understood why they can have categories like “Best New Artist”, “Best Producer”, etc; but not best overall artist or musician. 🙃
Now it's like .. for me personally the grammys are no longer relevant but if my favorite artists/group wants one then i want one for them you know?
I gave up on the Grammys the second time they played in Beyonce's face and gave her album of the year award to someone else. I think it was Adele that year. Lemonade was a cultural phenomenon, how did that lose? Plus, the show was painfully boring that year. I decided that they are not getting 3 hours from me for this nonsense again.
I know the artists care and want the awards, so I'm happy for them if they win. But, I don't care anymore. There are so many ridiculously talented folks with mega hits who never got a Grammy. The Ojays immediately come to mind.
I enjoyed this video. Grammy don't do justice.
Thank you!!!
Idk why people view the Grammys as some all powerful entity rather than a group of people who have their own opinions about music. Why did we ever give them a platform? Why do these unknown people hold so much power in the music industry???
Because the old wight people who gave them their power are still alive.
Midnights wasn’t even a good album 😅 it was solid and fine but definitely Taylor’s weakest work. SZA‘s album had a lot more variety and new flavour for RnB. Really weird.
That’s what i’m sayin!!!
Say it louder!! It is weak compared to her other albums. The writing is lackluster.
@@CamrynSuzanne yes, sorry, I wasn’t far into the video yet when I wrote that 😄
As a big Taylor swift fan I was rooting for SZA hard and I my heart sank a little when she didn’t win. I know Taylor had a massive year having the biggest tour of all time, but MIDnights was only a small part of that. All of my friends wanted SZA to win, SOS had the hits, the commercial and critical acclaim, it just seemed unfair. It truly felt like they were awarding Taylor for being the people’s princess and not for creating the best album. And as a big Taylor fan, I will say this was probably the first time in a long time she didn’t expect to win, comparing her pop vocal album speech to the AOTY you can see the first being a feigned surprised and she even announced a damn album. Her speech for AOTY was very unrefined and unrehearsed which leads me to think she didn’t think she deserved to win, I really wish she would’ve acknowledged SZA. I’m not mad, just disappointed. And obviously I don’t blame Taylor, this is an issue with the academy, I will not scapegoat her like many are, but I will hold firm in that SZA truly deserved to win.
if ariana dont win atleast ONE grammy in 2025 , im so done with the music industry , she is charting numbers right now
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very unbiased take from you. appreciated.
Thank you!!!
I loved your video. I'm not even a fan of SZA or Beyonce, but I wouldn't dare to say they don't deserve AOTY Grammys because I'm not familiar with their music yet! I'm a fan of Taylor and I thought that this year there was a better contender in every category than her. My personal AOTY was GUTS, but I was also rooting for SOS since many people wanted it to win and there must be a reason. I'll have to listen to it. Jay Z's speech and your video was eye-opening for me. Hopefully something gets done because I just want more artists to get recognized and more good music to enjoy. Thank you for sharing your thoughts so eloquently!
Ahh thank you for you input!! And being able to see both sides especially as a taylor fan. I think some people see this conversation as an attack when it’s not that. It’s just fighting for other artists to also get their just do!
I've once read that some Grammys judges wasn't even listening submitted songs/albums before voting
Nah, dude, I’m a huge Swiftie and hope for the best for our Blondie.
But Midnights is not her best work.
And someone else should have gotten that award.
I mean I’m happy she got it, in a way that I am happy when she’s successful, but objectively? Nah.
The Grammies don’t seem to be based off vocal talent mainly. They usually care about whiteness, pop music, and which artist writes their own lyrics and sell the most so Adele and Taylor will always win. They claim they don’t care about sells but they do sometimes. Beyoncé doesn’t write hit songs so they give her the low level awards.
Mariah had more competition throughout her career so I can see why she would have less Grammies even though I feel she deserves way more. Mariah had to compete during the height of rock music, with MJ, Prince, and Whitney. Either way I hope Bey wins it at some point.
For 1996 it was definitely some competition but for 2006 it was clear as day who should have gotten album of the year😭