The Best & Worst of Grammy Nominations (Album of the Year)
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Hey everybody! Thanks for watching this video on "The Best & Worst of Grammy Nominations (Album of the Year)". I worked super hard on this video -- getting all the data, doing the formulas, making the charts, getting the album covers, etc etc, hope you enjoyed it. I love these videos when I'm able to mix data and art. It's a weird little blend that I've always been fascinated by. Comment down below with your biggest Grammy snubs, what do you think the best year for nominations was, etc.
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People were curious about why I didn't really acknowledge Jacob Collier, so here we go -- I think he's a genius + he's one of the most talented musicians in the world. He deserves every ounce of his success and so on...but that doesn't mean that I enjoy listening to his music. He loves to make these veeeery complex arrangements with really strange harmonies, and that's just not really for me. I would never say that he's a bad musician or anything. I went through a phase in college when I was obsessed with people like him, Snarky Puppy, Lettuce, etc. The more complicated, the better. But that's just not really what I'm into right now. To each their own. Hope everyone has a good weekend + stay safe 💖
Agreed. Everytime I listen to one of his projects more than once, they just feel more and more artificial and contrived
The katy perry slander...
@@portisheadthird3 facts...great video, but if his point was that the nominations should be defining albums of that period that you can't discredit Teenage Dream for that, one of the biggest pop albums of the decade. I understand it's not for everyone but don't think it's fair to discredit it as boring, generic pop when it had some of the decades biggest hits
ikr Jacob Collier is not for everyone, and that's why I was so surprised when he got nominated for AOTY, he's not mainstream enough I thought. Could be because of his bonds with MJ's producer Quincy Jones and jazz's massive legend Herbie Hancock
honestly for anyone who hasn't listened to the collier album (Djesse vol. 3) it's way more accessible than his previous albums, I can almost guarantee that you'll like at least 2-3 songs from it. the album has a pretty good amount of mainstream appeal with features like ty $, daniel caesar, tori kelly even rhapsody
Let’s not forget when they flew out Mac Miller’s parents in the middle of their grieving period, just to see their son lose to Cardi...
... B
lets also not forget when his parents said even if he lost, they rather cardi win then the rest of the nominees...
@B P fr fr
He still would have lost to Travis tho if cardi wasn’t nominated
@@jdmoose2519 ( remember these be mac miller fans travis scares em) he goes to hard for these lo fi chill peeps😂😂
The fact that Kendrick got snubbed 3 TIMES is insane
No queda duda de su potencial es un ganador.
I’ll die on the hill that Good kid Maad city is a top rap 5 album of all time. That album is a must listen imo.
@@thatblackguy-pj1hu without a doubt my favorite album from Kendrick
GKMC getting snubbed is the biggest fuck up in the music industry
@@thatblackguy-pj1hu imo Kendrick got 2 of the top five rap albums of all time
Igor is such a masterful album, I wish it got more recognition
bro it got nominated for a grammy it is very recognised
its fairly recognised but only a few songs are popular. some songs really need to be out there you know?
@@poopyfart6274 should've got nominated for album of the year, it's genre bending songs are immaculate, stunning, amazing, wonderful, literally everything good
igor is very recognized lol
@@bornmenu not really
the fact that kendrick has never won album of the year is both crazy and depressing
WHAT. That's actually sad, even as a kinda fan of both, I've been getting into them, and I can tell they should have won their respective years.
he has now off Mr Morale
@@sem2422 no? mr morale won rap album of the year, not whole album of the year
@@Perrygawdyeah and fucking Harry styles won album of the year and had the nerve to say in his speech “this isn’t something that happens to people like me”
@@elliottowens8913 no way he said that thats insane
but let's do not attack the artist who is winning cuz it's not his/her/their fault.
@@ujerry_ i don't listen to her but IT'S NOT HER FAULT(.)
@@ujerry_ i was hating Billie for wining over Lana del rey's album NFR but now idc cuz it is grammys fault.
@@inactive515 oh i didn't know !!!! but it make sense
Yep, critizising the Academy and attacking the artists are 2 different things. It's not like the artists themselves choose who wins. That whole "hating on the recognizable face instead of pointing out the flaws in the establishment" isn't healthy and doesn't work.
@@ujerry_ Dude, Niki and Cardi B aren't in competition. Musicians can coexist. If your only argument to hate on Cardi is "Niki is better", congrats you don't hate Cardi, you just like Niki better.
You can dislike Cardi, I'm not saying you can't and I'm not saying she deserved that Grammy. I'm just saying that hating on something because you love something else more is stupid. If you can only listen to one person's music because everyone else is trying to "steal their spot", I pity you.
I died a little inside when I saw "Yummy" nominated for something
Edit: At least it didn't win lmao
same 😭
Same
Yummy is deserved
@@sonabano1851 you for real ?
how tf did they pick that over Blinding Lights
The main thing to take away from this video is how snubbed Kendrick is. He’s one of if not the best lyricist, rapper, and album creator of all time and is constantly being snubbed. Such a shame. 😔
TPAB and DAMN won the best rap album at least, good kid maad city didn't ffs Macklemore... That wasn't fair. Same with the Cardi B - Travis incident in 2018
You heard of capital STEEZ?
Same for Cole
@@spooked2104 idc, Cole will always be overhated, he doesn't deserve the criticism he gets to be honest.. yea maybe he's not at Kendrick's level, but I heard people saying he's average and I doubt it, i don't think rappers like Young Thug, Future, or Lil Baby (just some random examples) can create a classic album. Imo 2014 Forest hills drive should be considered one and The Fall-Off might be the next. He's a natural and seeing people absolutely thrashing him makes me annoyed
@@RM-wp7df my man young thug and future are WAY better than jcole
808s literally changed the entire music game, not just for rap. How tf was it not nominated??
Bc at the time, It was very mixed reviewed.
Because he went on stage and told Taylor Swift the truth. That's literally why he didn't get nominated.
And it's also the reason she most likely won.
@@Spiqaro True that was the same year. He wasn't wrong either that Beyonce video should have won.
cause we didnt know what it would do to hip hop at the time, and new/different sounds isnt welcoming to most people, like yeezus for example
Too ahead of it’s time
The fact that Michael Jackson didn’t win any grammys for the album “Bad”
YES! this is literally the biggest snub ever! "Bad" is first album in history with 5 song that reached #1, stupid scammys!
It was crap
@@MrThedonhead smoking too much weed fam
Dirty Diana being in the album alone should've gotten him AOTY smh
@@dilrajsandhu1254 on god
you know there's something wrong when "Yummy" gets nominated in the same category as "cardigan"
It’s somewhat jarring to go from the great lyrics as
“Yeah girl you got that yummy yum yummy yum”
To the absolute horrid ness of
“Marked me like a bloodstain. Tried to change the ending Peter losing Wendy”
Yes
Seriously.. one is a story telling song, and the other is yummy. Wtf
Exactly... you have one song that is an absolute masterpiece that reflects the idea of a woman being comparable to food and then you have cardigan.
@@prano_8112 I’m so sorry your Stan song lost
to be fair teenage dream had some of the biggest pop hits of the 2010's so I wouldn't call it forgettable
As a whole album it’s forgettable, a lot of people forget that the point of an album is to listen to it in full not pick and choose your fave songs and discard the rest.
@@Prodbyjah464 true!
No I agree CALIFORNIA GIRLS was everywhere so sorry she did deserve that she literally had cupcakes and party city wigs in a chokehold
Folklore was so deserving , and I am so happy that evermore is nominated cuz it deserves winning so much
Totally bestie
mid
evermore is so mid bro
also the only reason it got nominated was bc the deluxe version came out during the timeframe
@@johnproulx1355 whatever u say...there will be a fewer albums with the songwriting that Evermore has..and not every artist should produce tiktok songs. There are good amount of artists that produce good music too. If u think that it's mediocre, then go listen to the tiktok artists. 😊
The grammys were over when Prince didn't win album of the year with Purple Rain
Who won instead?
@@freetayk8593 "Can't Slow Down" by Lionel Richie won Album of the Year at the 1985 Grammy Awards. The nominees for Album of the Year at the 1985 Grammy Awards were "Can't Slow Down" by Lionel Richie, "She's So Unusual" by Cyndi Lauper, "Purple Rain" by Prince & The Revolution, "Born in the U.S.A." by Bruce Springsteen, and "Private Dancer" by Tina Turner.
@@alvinugochukwu2329 that was a tough category that year. At least in 1985 no one had a mediocre album
Still remember that bs fuck the grammys
@@cristianserret4190 Who did you want to win Album of the Year at the 1985 Grammy Awards?
The fact that Kendrick had 3 of the top 4 nominations for the decade and didn’t even win one is disgraceful
didn’t he beat hov with damn
@@kh0357 pretty sure they gave it to bruno mars
Who cares? It’s the Grammys. We need to stop giving them so much power
@@LegendaryMamba24 doesn’t change the fact that he deserved the award🤦🏾♀️
@@doodledoctor6087 of course he deserved it, but us complaining about it isn't gonna make the academy do anything different
Most infamous Albums of the Year
*2012:* Should have been _My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy_ - went to Adele's _21_
*2016:* Should have been _To Pimp a Butterfly_ - went to Taylor Swift's _1989_
*2017:* Should have been _Lemonade_ - went to Adele's _25_
Conclusion: Naming your album after a number = guaranteed AOTY
damn, naming my new album 1234567890 rn. next year’s grammys will be mine for the taking
Nah 1989 deserved that w
@@derrick1153Not over To Pimp A Butterfly
@@Soulkinthehuman yes over pimp a butterfly
@@derrick1153 How is it better?
I think popularity should’ve been added as a factor to the graphing. An album can have good total scores but only reviewed 10 times while another album can have decent scores while reviewed 1,000 times just to simplify an example. I believe popularly volume amongst people matters just as much as whether or not they like the album
no please no because whatever 13-17 girls listen to will win that year ALWAYS
@@longstachkaido240 i guess he should have checked how often an album was rated and thats what the comment meant
100%. Your comment should be way higher. Came here to say this. A lady gaga album have been reviewed way more than a more niche album. Number of reviews will affect the score
Thats exactly what i was thinking. A popular/trendy artist album generally tends to have a LOT of negative reviews just because that people doesn't like the artist and wants to troll around and that mixes the final score. So yeah, popularity is a big big fact
@@longstachkaido240 yes ofc it's always the female minors fault, because how could a "hormone-driven" female ever not be stupid and dumb. Only I, a formidable old manly Male man know what's best for music.
Kanye’s Dark Fantasy and Weeknd’s After Hours are the biggest snubs of the last 10 years for me
Ok
@@rustyzza6017 KO
You forgot Mariah's daydream album
Yeah MBDTF is the album of the decade and it was completely snubbed
what about his new dawn FM?
Saying Taylor Swift won in 2010 just because she was a "pop star" isn't true. First of all, she did country. And second, literally no one knew who she was before Fearless, that was her breakthrough album. She deserved AOTY.
That album is like the biggest album in country history and I think it was lot more indluential than people want to give credit.
It opened country music to younger generations and a lot of people who were not from US.
Taylor is literally the face of you young country.
All the young artists like kacey and kelsea are compared to her.
@@richasingh9062 I completely agree!
Pop is short for popular. So it has two meanings: a) the genre b) popular music. Taylor definitely fits b definition, even in 2010.
yass
@@richasingh9062 i know Taylor beacause of Love Story and You Belong With Me when i was in elementary school, so yeahh. #indonesian
I think there's 3 criteria for AOTY
-Fan love
-Critical acclaim
-Commercial success
I feel like nominees have to have at least 2
BUT Lady Gaga have all that Quality, Her Album The Fame, The Monster and Born This Way but I understand her album BTW was lose to Adele
@@patrickcody5319 adele had all of it too
@@joannaj.2787 YES I Understand Adele deserve to win Album of the Year 21 and Born This Way just 1st Runner Up
But I'm really rotting her to Win The Fame and The Fame Monster
Teenage Dream had the popularity and commercial success. 💔
The fame monster had all 3 of those qualities
to pimp a butterfly is literally amazing how did it not win
it aint mainstream enough for the grammys sadly
@@radikat.
Non mainstream albums still win AOTY 🤷🤷
Jon Baptist did
@@Alfred-ut4rnit’s racism, Black people never win AOTY because they’re black
Because 1989 was better
@@ninzgts313 Stupid swiftie
They sucked when they decided to nominate Yummy instead Blinding Lights, why?
Yummy is actual garbage
the grammys are on payroll
Who actually listens to yummy I swear 😭
Also over rare
Think thats bad, just remember see u again by wiz khalifa was nominated in 2015 but it didnt win 😡
Teenage Dream might not have a high critic score due to biased critics, but that album was iconic and impactful in shaping 2010s decade’s pop music, GOOD pop music.
It's iconic, so a nom is ok for me. But, definitely the weaker nominee imo
It's not biased it was a bad album. It just had huge commercial impact
@@Gameworks1407 I mean that's your opinion, but it really did shaped pop music of the 2010s
@@slurples149 who did it affect? It literally marked the death of bubblegum pop
Pretty sure she got 4 consecutive #1 hits too, first to do it since Michael Jackson, if I’m correct, also 5 in top 10, makes sense that it’s in there
I was absolutely ecstatic when Random Access Memories won. By far one of my favorite albums musically of all time. The production was nails through and through and the percussion was flawless.
5:54, that “nope” transition is golden! Definitely the best song on the album imo.
The fact MBDTF didn’t even get nominated in 2010 was fricking astonishing in a bad way
that's what I'm saying
probably because it was released late 2010 while the grammys are held in the first few months of the year , so it shouldve been nominated for the 2011 grammys
2012 it was nominated; it was a late 2010 album.
Well because it's a 6/10, I guess
@@victariongraufreud725 def a 10/10 but wtv
I think my favorite quote from the Weeknd is if everyone is singing your songs, the Grammy's don't matter.
That’s drake
That was drake
That's drake 3x
That was drake x5
That's drake x6
This is still flawed though, underground/ less mainstream artists have less haters, consequently resulting in higher ranks. For example someone like Taylor swift or adele sell the most albums, meaning the public like it yet still get low rankings from the public, this is because of haters.
Exactly and Folklore not being in 9.0+ is mind boggling to me
@@Culereterno1899idk abt 9.0+…
@@getitjj I was exaggerating a bit tbh but she deserves an 8 for that fantastic story telling
@@Culereterno1899 i could be biased as to i dont like taylor or her music, but ill respect your opinion
@@getitjj Ofc music is subjective after all,You can't like/love everything there is
Have a great day ahead 💝
Best video I've ever watched. This has changed my view on the Grammys forever. Thank you.
Mac Miller is a huge snub, feel like so many people don’t realize how special and great circles is
Grammies are participation trophies now
Our boy mac doesn’t deserve a participation trophy. Mac’s fanbase is a tight knit family
@Michael Jordan depends his music and style varies from album to album. Froom boombap rap all the way to a jazzy type of sound. Id say a solid 9/10
@Michael Jordan I never cared about Mac until my boo started playing him a lot, I don’t really like rap/hip hop but is solid af, emotions and lyrics are raw
It wouldnt be recognized if he was alive.
I don’t understand what searching “Taylor Swift sellout” has to do with anything. That album was the biggest of her career with multiple #1’s. Even if some people felt that way it certainly wasn’t the overwhelming narrative.
Exactly, I thought that comment didn’t add anything to the video, and it really showed some bias views.
Also how did she sellout with 1989? She was signed to a country label and had to fight tooth and nail to be allowed to make a pop album. And while the songs on 1989 maybe don't sound that special nowadays, they were quite different to the songs being played on mainstream radio back then.
@@allisonreilly8081 the dude likes taylor swift whats the biad haha
@@ahhhhyes That wasn’t really a compliment towards taylor swift. It seemed more of a dig towards her and the album. Saying she was a sellout for making 1989 doesn’t mean he likes Taylor Swift.
@@allisonreilly8081 i didnt say he liked that album i said he likes taylor so how could he have bias against her
Jacob Collier is a great artist, he made a modulation to a microtonal keyin that album, is something never seen before. The djesse vol.III nomination was something awesome for the jazz culture
Yes, ele merecia o AOTY
Just want to appreciate how much time was put into this video!
I'm rooting for folklore or future nostalgia to win
I hope Future Nostalgia or Hollywood's Bleeding. No great nominations this year, but those two, for me, had at least 4 or 5 really enjoyable tracks and tried something new for the creator.
@@BW2OFFICIAL folklore also "tried something new for the creator", Taylor switched to a whole new genre!!
@@ft594 🤣 Bro, she'll probably win just cause Taylor Swift. She literally wins half the rewards even if she didn't even release anything in that year.🤨
Ion fw taylor
@@ranavalona5358 Same bro.
honestly "igor" is the best album i have ever listened to... it shouldve won. its a piece of art. im glad billie eilish won though, it's also a good album and it showcases a different kind of sound. im just kinda disappointed how the academy picked her to win like 5 categories. im not saying she didn't deserve them, im just saying how there were better picks.
What do you of CMIYGL?
10/10 forsure
@@jackfinnian2064 11/10
@@jackfinnian2064 11/10
yah i agree
1:25 of all the albums shown in that clip im so glad you acknowledged the masterpiece that was RTJ4 by run the jewels. Easily my favorite 2020 album
Super vidéo, merci !
unpopular opinion: katy perry's teenage dream was good. i don't understand the hate it recieved in this video, alfo :(
and that's the thing
everyone is gonna have a different idea of what they think "good" is
awards show in general really shouldn't be taken seriously
it's all just what a group of people think
even critics aren't the be all and end all to whether music is good or not
I'm gonna pretend he didn't slander teenage dream because it IS THEE standard for modern pop music in the last decade.
omg ikr?!?!??!😭 Katy hasn't even won one Grammy like..
Same for me, I think The one that got away, Last Friday Night, ET and others are pop perfection. Same for Doo Whops and Hooligans
it is katy perry's "forever your girl -paula abdul" era and she milked this album to the last drop
I think we r all rooting for Flokore and Future Nostalgia, aren't we.
Edit: YASSSSSSSS BITCHES WE WOOOOOONNNNNN.
hollywoods bleeding AOTY
yeah, since after hours got snubbed, im rooting for dua lipa.
@@user-ru8yy1ez9n WHAT THE HECK NO DKJDKD
ya, one of them must win.
Folklore aoty manifesting 😩👆👆
i love music, and i also love statistics, making this video, a masterpiece
5:59 I always come back to this video for this moment specifically because it’s a simple edit yet weirdly cathartic.
Critics aside, i think Teenage Dream deserved thr AOTY nomination. Looking back now, i realized how massive and iconic that album was. Hit after hit
facts
@@Lorenzo-yr2qe Only 4 songs on Teenage Dream weren't singles, and those songs are pretty good.
@@Lorenzo-yr2qe drugs and sex are dark topics? lmao
LOL as if.
Teenage dream is the definiton of POP music, It inspired many pop artists too, if ET is released this year it woul still go No1 and Fireworks is a timeless song. not to mention the amazing acoustic version of the one that got away and all the other bangers in that Album.
The legitimacy of the Grammy died when Yummy was nominated before The Weeknd’s anything
Honestly, Weeknd needs to work on his range. He's very statically higher pitch. Little vibrato. I know he's famous. But there hasn't been good singers in awhile. He's a big fish in a small pool.
@@ELFanatic his 70 million monthly spotify streams would like to disagree
@@prototyping5603 how does the number of listeners he has have anything to do with his limited vocal delivery
@@mrb-btw it means people like his music, and when people like his music, it usually means it's good
@@prototyping5603 oh ok so it's completely unrelated, got it
the fact that ctrl wasn’t nominated for a grammy confused me it’s such a good album
well it is a shit record
Taylor’s 1989 was her most successful album with multiples number 1s which makes sense as to why it won album of the year plus style, wildest dreams and blank space are one of the best songs which turned out to be her singles and is a reasonable choice for her to win so for you to search “ Taylor swift sellout “ was dumb.
Facts like this guys just clearly hates taylor cause he's a kanye fan.
U really gonna say 1989 was better than to pimp a butterfly 💀. 1989 had songs filled with bland pop wasn’t inspiring at all. Even her latest work is way better than that. The album had catchy songs that would be good if u don’t wanna spend too much time thinking what the songs are saying.
@@luv_mark I don’t think it has to do with him being Kanye fan tbh. He is a more superior artist, in terms of production quality, new fearless experiments and wordplay is even better than her especially early in his career, even the theme of the album is so much more refreshing and original . Don’t get me wrong Taylor is prolly best mainstream pop artist out there maybe except Rihanna but most of these mainstream mediocre to begin with so it is a great feat achieved by Taylor however, it’s not monumental imo
there’s no way it deserved to win aoty over tpab
So you’re saying 1989 was better that To Pimp A Butterfly? 💀😭
The problem of the grammys is that they will stay relevant if people keep giving them the relevance. Like, they have lost their prestige, but in a good or bad way, we keep talking and caring about them
cause the title is considered to be the highest award body for music kinda like oscars for films
tho i agree, it's really confusing to pit art against one another especially when its subjective. guess we just have the obligation to fight for what we think a piece of art deserve for us
Unlike movies, music is hard to grasp. Someone who likes blockbusters like Avengers would find it easier to like Driving Miss Daisy than someone who likes pop music to like an experimental album, so if every nominated album are indie and experimental or alternative, fans would feel disconnected. As an alternative fan I feel that Grammys should serve fan favorites to a certain degree for this reason and also that the pop industry needs their fun too. It's not too easy to make a catchy hit. But the problem is the Grammys are carrying it too far.
@@cherrynado I hear you. I do feel that Grammys should be relevant (in response to the original commenter's statement). But personally I do know that people would get excited and flock to a CZcams video if the artist gets nominated or wins a Grammy and they would comment on how they feel about the winner. There are people who take Grammys seriously or if not, at least as a source to know which music they should listen to. Another thing I thought about is how does one become an academy member? If it's about topping the charts then more pop artists will be academy voters and would lean on the music they're familiar with. Also artists don't listen to music like critics do. They have to write and record their own music, so I think they don't invest as much time and energy as critics in listening to albums.
Oscars are far better than grammys they get some unnecessary hate not saying they doesn't suck but many of the best picture winners are actually good and is arguably the best of their years like The Godfather, Schindler List, Parasite, Moonlight all movies are the best movies in their respective years
And the Oscars snubs are obvious and no one in the earth agree with the decisions and are hated universally by everyone like Crash, Shakespeare in love winning best picture
Only some rare albums that won album of the year are actually classic and best of the year but most of the winners are forgettable
Never forget Lorde’s *Melodrama* 😔✌🏼
@JoJoKiwiPlease stop bringing race into topics that don't even evolve them, like seriously it was just a fan comment about lorde.
@@eshum3485 what was the original comment lmao
Stfu no one even knows lorde
@@darkfantasy5411 lorde is scandinavian rock band, stfu everybody knows ‘em you peace of pie
@@darkfantasy5411 LMAO 😂
I’m sad that he called Melodrama weird. Like… dude, that album was pure perfection
Yeah, I feel this video was made by someone who’s mad because his favorite artist lost tbh.
Ikr its so addictive
He didn’t mean weird in a bad way
Music is subjective
old asf but I don't think the guy said that in a negative way, just stating that for the Grammy's standards, those albums weren't clean and squeaky enough
teenage dream was not a forgettable and mediocre album, it was an amazing one that was iconic and started a cultural reset on pop culture. Banger after banger, honestly...
Edit: hate to be that person but thanks I've never had a popular/top comment before
yeah literally 😭😭
it hadde 5 number 1 song and she is the only female artist to have that many number 1s on one album. she s the second artist over all ( micheal jackson was the first with BAD) .
yeah.. it reset pop culture cause it killed that whole pink, bubbly pop genre. it was fire, but one that needed to be doused and put out. like sure it was a commercial success, but it just wasn’t that good. anyway
@@burnt.norton people don't like it because it is pure pop music
@@burnt.norton nope just admit it was good, it’s not cool to not like anything
Folklore is an amazing album. I can listen to it over and over again, and each time, the story changes. It’s the beauty of storytelling woven into songs.
He said some of those were mediocre forgettable albums...but those are stuck to my head ever since I heard them 7-8 years ago and still sound so good to me
evermore pfp ;)
compared to some of the other albums of that time, they are mediocre.
Nobody remembers the albums he thought were snubbed though. THEY were the ones who didn't have longevity
@@blehh010 Nah I think the majority of people do remember those albums
@@deliberation6022 yes all 20 people who bought those albums
Hot Take: Some Nights is a fire album that I still listen too, but overall great video!
i think there are definitely inconsistencies in the data, as how good an album is, is subjective. i think alot of mainstream music recieves worse reviews simply due to it being more popular, and i think more obscure music ends up with higher ratings, as fans tend to be very engaged with the music, and critics love anything non-mainstream
I personally think that Born this Way and Beyoncé were amazing albums that deserved their nominations. At the time of their releases, they were both considered the magnum opus of the two artists respective careers. They both brought something new and innovative to pop. Lady Gaga blended themes of acceptance, love, being true to who you are with electronic, metal, and even jazz sounds while Beyoncé created an album about the liberation of a woman that was beautifully sonic with its r&b, pop, electro pop, and a little bit of soul. Plus they both made wonderful visuals for the albums. Lady Gaga was creating weird fantasy short films and Beyoncé made a whole visual album. In my opinion, just because something is mainstream doesn’t mean it lacks artistry, thought, or value. Then again, this is just my opinion.
I agree. I feel like a lot of people think mainstream equals bad & that’s not the case all the time
I agree
totally mainstream ≠ equal bad. TALENT DOES. and gaga and beyoncé and i think even people like taylor lately- have shown they have it.
The weeknd wouldve have won every award if they accepted his submissions
Fax he literally made the perfect album to sweep at the Grammys, fans like it and critics like as well
Beauty behind the maddnes 2015 was literally the best album didn’t win same with after hours. Feel like they targeting The Weeknd because he’s just too good
@@nightblueblue8563 bruh starboy was a masterpiece too
Aren't the people who choose are usually white middleaged people
Honestly yeah.
this is a solid video
Igor, MBDTF and every Kendrick album not getting nominated/not winning is wild
The fact my beautiful dark twisted fantasy didn’t get a nomination at the 2011 grammys is so dumb 😔
Not really, I thought people didn’t start giving that album its flowers until years later...or was that 808s & Heartbreak? 🤔
@@nameisamine yeah you're talking about 808's, mbdtf was an instant classic at the time
Really? Kanye has mocked the awards, stormed the stage and probably more. You really think he's going to win them over with his music.
@@dafunk1999 Kanye is one of the most awarded artist ever at the Grammys , he’s nominated this year even though he was literally urinating on a Grammy a few months ago
@@dafunk1999 It makes sense he says those things about the Grammy's when MBDTF, one of (if not) the best from the decade, didn't even get nominated for album of the year 😂
"If a man talks shit, then I owe him nothing." - Taylor Swift
LMAOAOA PERIOD
i dont regret it one bit cause he had it coming
cringe but ok
Folklore deserves
@@Raulisai not really but ok
I doubt you'll ever see this but thought i'd say i loved this video so much that i used it as my english project in school!!!
There are some things of which I don't agree on this video, obviously, but I'm happy that you explained this issue once and for all.
Also can you make a video about the VMAs nominations? That would be really interesting.
Thanks ❤
Honestly, I do the same thing with anything I like.
Movie or artist wins at the Grammys or Oscars: Wow what an honor to be recognized as the cultural achievement it is.
Movie or artist loses at the Grammys or Oscars: Why do we even have award shows? They are so out of touch with what people actually like
That being said RTJ4 deserved a nomination
Yes! At the very least it deserved Best Rap Album. The fact that it didn't get any nominations is a travesty with how fantastic it is.
@@RacingWorldTV202 since kendrick got a pullitzer before a grammy i think that rap should get out of the grammy or smthg they're more often discrediting the culture than not
Edit : remember the pullitzer is basically litterature's nobel
the oscars tend to have good picks though? Everybody agrees on a few misses they have but for the most part they get it correct year after year for almost a century. For the grammys it’s quite the opposite.
Some of the high rated albums got high rated because they weren't listened by a lot of people, I think you missed out the popularity factor in the nomination.
Why does it matter if passive listeners / fans of easy-listening mediocrity gave a shot to ambitious, multilayered masterpieces like TPAB if they wouldn't even give a shit for what's going on on it?
TRUE, and a lot of popular albums get purposely rated low by users because they hate mainstream. So...
Yes but we should also remember that the more popular albums have a larger band of “users” giving a rating so it makes sense that the average will get pulled into a medium range
As opposed to a less popular album that has a super great fan base who adored it and rated it as such
i think they should’ve taken in consideration the billboard 200 data as a third factor. non-popular albuns got a lot of 10s while famous albuns got mixed and very extreme reviews since the fans and haters are included.
@@Miguel-fm2dl agreed that’s a good place to get the numbers! you gotta do something like that or the data is just not complex enough! But complicated data analysis is not as easy for a good CZcams video !
the fact that 3 out of the 4 best nominations are Kendrick albums and he still didn’t win pisses me off so much it’s indescribable hopefully he wins this year idk if the album deserves it but he does
if 1989 gets a grammy, tpab should’ve gotten a Nobel prize. kendrick has made 1 album that was the best album of the year (DAMN.), one that was one of the best of the decade (Good Kid m.A.A.d City), and debatably the single best and most influential album EVER (To Pimp A Butterfly). amazing video, and thank you for making it. it’s incredibly entertaining and well paced, but kendrick, kanye, and tyler not getting a single aoty here is frustrating
Factsss also these swifties in the comments are delusional thinking that 1989 deserved to win against arguably the best album of the decade OR even one of the best album of all time.
@@samgyeopsal221 Music is subjective if 1000 people say tpab is one of the best albums of all time 1000 more will say it’s horrible imo awards mean nothing except a trophy for the artist
That was the year in which the Grammys finished losing what little prestige they had left.
The three artists you mentioned at the end are the peaks of this generation of hip hop imo. My boys have been robbed to hell and back. 😔
Okay so Taylor definitely deserved AOTY both time. Fearless is one of the most influential country albums of all time and it brought country back to the younger generation and is most awarded country album of all time. 1989 is 2nd best album of this decade. It’s so iconic and one of the most successful pop albums of all time. Again, the most awarded pop album of all time. Folklore def deserves nom as well. It’s a masterpiece and honestly better then any nominated album.
Ru honestly challenged? To pimp a butterfly by Kendrick Lamar is one of the best albums of all time. The message from that album and the atmosphere deserved the win. Sure 1989 is a good pop album but it can’t even touch TPAB. Same w fearless, sure it’s a good album but Kanye with my beautiful dark twisted fantasy was a better album. Sure fearless was iconic but most of these albums that didn’t win are iconic and lost to albums that shouldn’t have been nominated
@@gavincaruso4774 fearless literally changed how country album is perceived, and the fact that it changed the genre to a higher regard, with just her 2ne album is something to be given credit, also no one really knew who would win between tpab and 1989, they were both critically acclaimed, and to this day 1989 is still called "pop perfection" by critics and still has the highest awarded album for Pop up until now, not even Billie, Ariana or the other pop girls cleared that record for most awards
@@tristianybanez5972 fearless is not a country album, it is pop-yee haa album, Love Story and YBTM are pop with a little base of country(instrumental)
@@tristianybanez5972 u can look it up, to pimp a butterfly is the highest rated rap album of all time and one of the highest of all time in any genre, I’m not saying 1989 is bad, it’s a good album but it just can’t compare to how good tpab is, it gave Kendrick 11 noms that year, only 1 shy of the most ever given in one year behind MJ
@@gavincaruso4774 same 1989 lol, 1989 has the highest awards out of all the pop albums that has been released up till now no one even scratched the amount of awards that it garnered, that's why she was given the nickname of Pop titan
I feel like you have something against Taylor Swift and Beyoncé, they’re albums were amazing and meaningful. Still like the channel though
I don't think he has something against them. He just basically explained through graphs that those who have higher average of critics and audience score end up losing and not even getting nominated when he thinks album of the year should be about fans and critics scoring/ review. The data don't even comes from him but a certain site. I honestly get his point, you can have the best album but if you're not this famous star you won't even get noticed. Anyway that's how award shows works, more about politics, fame and publicity stunts.
They are talented and have good albumz but definitely shouldnt have gotten so many grammies. I feel like every year they nominate Beyonce just to break her biggest record, which is getting grammys
@@tuasee3033 i honestly don't get what you're trying to say... my only point here is that alfo media is not hating on Taylor and beyonce. Hes just presenting on what he thinks how the grammy should work since great albums are overlooked for nomination.
@@machere3623 oh sorry not u, the comment above mine. Sorry for my mistake. Have a good day❤
@@ezrealxshsh5460 She gets alot of small grammys. And few significant ones. Thats why she has so many grammys. And also the fact that the artists against Beyonce for those small grammys have no chance
When the Arctic Monkeys have been nominated numerous times but never won even though they deserved to win
Maybe thier first or second album but I would only say the later albums should have won because of past work basically like becks win, that's not beck best album but it's sort of make up award or career achievements award in a way, but arctic monkeys newer stuff on its own wouldn't deserve to win
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Love thisvideo
I'm still mad Melodrama didn't won album of the year.
yeah, it was just a flawless album
For me I think ctrl should have won
Yes, Melodrama is phenomenal!
But Brightest Blue by Ellie Goulding also deserved a Grammy, especially FLUX.
Like when Cardi B won best rap album with Invasion of Privacy 🙄
Over astroworld too for that matter
@@sl4y8r76 over Astroworld, Daytona, Swimming, and Victory Lap😐
Actually Cardi b album sold well and had great criticism and of coursE I knew she was going win cause Grammys don’t give af about Nicki
@@titihamilton9247 I mean it is not bad, but not worth winning best rap album. And selling well in these days isn't a guarantee of being good. Look at Bad Bunny.
@@jangarcia1338 nah it’s a pretty bad album I’m not sure how it did those numbers
Teenage Dream will be forever iconic and I am very surprised she is one of the lowest. It is all my opinion but its genuinely one of her best albums that she has ever made.
its her best album. she literally defines pop music in the 2010s, i love her
Jesus Christ the more I look at these list the more I see how many times Kendrick got snubbed. Let’s also not forget about J cole’s forest hill drive that went 3x platinum yet still never won, absolutely crazy to see this. Never really Gad about the Grammys but to see this is just insane
The Fame by Gaga an okay album? The Fame revolutionized pop music and music from 2008 until 2012 altogether bringing dance music to the forefront and dance music basically was the thing those 5 years and it was all thanks to Gaga and this album.
period
No
The Fame literally changed the game for pop music not only in terms of the music itself, but also how to become an artist/promote your stuff.
lady gaga really did that purr
It is good but there are much better options
I just wanna remind everyone that Michael Jackson got nothing for the BAD album. Granted he got a ton for Thriller as he should, but BAD is also one of the greatest albums ever. Grammys are trash
At the time it was the second greatest best selling album of all time and yet they gave him nothing
The Grammy's is rigged. I don't even want to THINK about the Grammy's anymore.
The album that won that year U2’s Joshua Tree was a good win tbh and I have no problems it winning over BAD , to me its on the same on level as bad. Joshua Tree sold 25 million copies and alot of ppl see it as one of the best albums of all time and U2’s magnum opus. alot ppl weren’t really mad at BAD losing to joshua tree given how influential joshua tree was, heck Joshua tree was even added to the library of congress something bad didnt do Even at that time it won the grammys alot of ppl weren’t mad that it won over bad because many called Joshua Tree as one of the if not the best album of the year in 1987, rolling stone even ranked it number one.
and BAD won best Engineered Recording that year so I dont know why you said he got nothing out of it.
@@JoseGarcia-ki3vk He didn’t get that grammy, that grammy was for the producers.
Thumbnail had and x on igors face and i was about to say how, this video was very educational ty
Teenage Dream: 5 singles from the album went to #1, equalling the record set by Thriller. Roar has the most views of any MV by a female artist with over 3.4 billion last time I watched it. That's also the most views I've ever seen on a video. I'm not sure about the sales, as it was released at the start of the 'downloads/streaming' era, but I imagine it sold quite a lot. Plus, Katy Perry was massive back then. I think Teenage Dream deserved the award.
I'm not biased in any way, although I do like Perry's music and both Roar and Last Friday Night make my favourite songs of all time (of which there are almost 5000). I only seek to lay out what I know about the albums achievement, and also to consider how big Katy Perry was at the time. I remember you couldn't go anywhere without hearing her on the radio. A lot of people I knew in my year in primary school at the time liked to sing her songs.
I'm not saying the other albums were bad, or that Teenage Dream is of significantly better quality, but TD was absolutely massive in terms of success. For me, if an album's that successful, you can't just write it off as 'boring and generic' or whatever, because people obviously loved it. It's like The Beatles. I might not be a big fan of Abbey Road or Sgt Pepper's, but I can't write them off or criticise them too harshly because of how successful they were and how they revolutionised music.
I personally don't care about critics or fan reviews, somewhat because I usually don't agree with them, but mostly because I have my own opinions and don't see the point of using or even reading/listening to those reviews or ratings because they don't reflect my personal opinion. Don't get me wrong, there might be the rare one that does, and I'm talking more obscure than Brocas Helm rare, but the overwhelming majority just don't.
Great Comment! I believe you got Thriller mixed up with bad tho. Beat it & Billie jean were the only singles off of Thriller to hit no. 1. Dirty Diana, Man in the Mirror, Bad, I just can't stop loving you, and the way you make me feel all hit no. 1.
periodt
I’m still mad that the weekends album ‘after hours’ wasn’t nominated🤦🏾♂️
and the fact that after hours wasn’t even the worst snub-
@@thatonefan_1371 it was, it definitely was.
@@user-pg7gl2xd8i imo that’s more down to the name popularity. RTJ4 was a fantastic album, that edges after hours for me
@@thatonefan_1371 But Grammys take into consideration both popularity and quality. I love his music but after hours is not my favorite album as well, but I am aware that my favorite albums, will never get nominated because they aren't popular, but The Weeknd's album was undoubtedly the most important album of 2020, and it is also very well criticized, it's insane, it doesn't make any sense.
@@user-pg7gl2xd8i fair point, but it’s not even like run the jewels are complete unknowns. they’ve got like 4 million monthly listeners, which sure isn’t a lot but it’s certainly enough to be considered.
I’m rooting for folklore and women in music pt. 3 for aoty
Just listened to women in music pt 3 thanks to your comment, thanks.
or future nostalgia
taylor is slowly becoming the Meryl Streep of the Grammys. Giving her a win is probably the worst thing the recording academy could do. Not because the album doesn't deserve it (I'd love for it to win), but the general public just doesn't like TS, so backlash would be inevitable.
I do hope WIMPIII takes the award. That album deserves so much more recognition than it got. Virtually, nobody on twitter, FB, or Instagram knew who HAIM was when they revealed the aoty nominees.
@@franks8462 If I could decide who wins, I would 100% pick WIMP3. Incredible album. But, haim lacks the household name that Taylor has. While I want Haim to win, I know they won’t so I’d rather Taylor or Dua to win out of the rest of the nominees.
@@franks8462 I really liked their album. But Future Nostalgia for meeeeeeeee
You do have to keep in mind that a lot of the negative reviews on the nominations could only be there because people were annoyed that they were nominated, i.e. Babel may have such bad reviews mostly because it won with such good albums being nominated.
Teenage Dream is Iconic, when you say it, people remember it, it defined pop for the next years, and to this day, still stands the test of time, which unlike more time specific albums
I hope folklore wins. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Yes! It's gonna win!
@@ajsc11 I just don't want to put my hopes up too high 😔
@@SuYeolYam just pray for folklore to win every night just like what I do.
We must do the ritual
Same honestly
Kinda weird seeing you talk down on both 1989 and Teenage dream, I mean Katy tied Michael Jackson's record for number ones from a single album, and 1989 had 3 #1's, and has been on the Billboard Album chart for over 320 weeks.
Oh thank you ! I was thinking that the whole time and wanted someone to say it; that album era lasted two years, was a defining time in the 2010s and every single one of those 5 no. 1s is still recognisable and replayable today
It won over TPAB, one of the best records of the decade if not all time??
@@errdyyy6263 and honestly that's where I'm divided. TPAB was definitely a moment and if it had won over 1989 I would've been okay with that
1989 (along with a few other albums around that time, including Emotion and Heartthrob) created the 80s Pop resurgence that we’re still living in today. Like, there’s nothing mediocre about that, even if it’s far from Taylor’s best work
So? Endgame was the highest grossing movie of all time (now beaten again by Avatar), and you don’t see the Oscars given them a Best Picture award for it. It shouldn’t be about popularity. It should be about quality.
I like rewatcing this video whenever someone brings up the Grammy's
I’m still puzzled on how the “Is This It” album by The Strokes didn’t receive any nomination
And “like clockwork...” by QOTSA
at least the new abnormal finally won them a grammy... 20 years later
Teenage dream was great in my opinion. It defined the 2010s pop. The gays will raid your house
As we should, TD is the new standard for pop music
yes just as forever your girl by paula abdul in the 80s
Hello,this is Grammy ,not those cheapskate American music awards of billboard awards,reductive
@@tanyeauchon9110 Scammys*
I agree TD was really good.
lemonade being snubbed still gets me so mad because the visual album + the songs + the poetry was 1000x better than 25.
25 broke records and there weren’t many hits on lemonade
@@waxcrazy9098 hits ≠ quality, still lemonade is in top 32 on the 500 best albums of all time by Rolling Stones and Adele herself said it
@@waxcrazy9098 lemonade was HUGE when it came out and still has cultural relevance to this day especially in the black community. It’s like top 10 in the best albums of the century. Now while I love 25 and it certainly broke records, Lemonade will continue to be relevant and a game changer and it stand the test of time better.
There was a lot of pressure on Adele to produce an amazing album, following 21's phenomenal success, and instead of cracking under thst pressure, she prevailed and made an album which proved to everyone that she can do anything. That's why I think she not only won, but deserved the grammy.
I’m sorry but lemonade is trash 💀💀💀 Beyoncé is the most overrated artist ever. The fact Lana del Rey, lord, the weeknd and nicki Minaj don’t have Grammys is enough said
MELODRAMA THOOOOO
What I'm getting from this is that people are more critical of popular songs, because they reach more people, and smaller artists with albums that don't make it everywhere tend to get higher ratings, a lot of these albums were popular for a reason.
Artists who got snubbed and why:
Ariana Grande: Ariana should’ve gotten Best Pop Vocal Album, but Billie took that award home. (Of course, not implying that Billie’s album wasn’t good, in fact, I’ve been a fan of her since 2017). Even in Billie’s speech, she said that she thought Ariana deserved it. All three singles from Thank U, Next took up the top 3 spots on the Billboard Hot 100.
Melanie Martinez: Melanie made a film to go to with her long awaited sophomore album, K-12. She even released a deluxe version and went on the K-12 Tour. Melanie worked on this album and film for four years straight, yet she wasn’t even nominated for a Grammy.
Mac Miller: After Mac’s tragic passing, his album was nominated for a Grammy. The Recording Academy flew Mac’s parents out to the Grammy’s, and his mother had a suit made. There wasn’t even a tribute to him and he did not win a Grammy. Instead, the Grammy went to Cardi B.
I’m tired and I can’t think of more, so reply with more :)
Idk how Billie won Record Of The Year against Dua Lipa. Don’t Start Now was a record that was played constantly throughout 2020, it peaked at 2 on the charts and has been on the charts for over a year, compared to everything I wanted that peaked at 3 and has been on the charts for half the time that Don’t Start Now has been. That one was really shocking to me.
@@alfino4423 It was already confirmed at the previous grammys that Billie is an industry plant. Seems organic and genuine on the outside, but has people working for her on the inside to get her those awards.
@@eyecontrol4900 She even said that she was so embarrassed to beat Megan Thee Stallion for that award....
Melanie is overrated, her voice and production kinda sucks. But her visual is very cool, and i don´t think she submits her music to the grammy
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as a taylor swift fan, it's funny that he mentioned that 1989 was her "sellout" album. considering she has said publicly that she completely changed her entire style with the specific goal of getting that second aoty grammy. she was devastated that red didn't win, which obvi it's still one of her best to this day, so she committed to making the perfect pop album.
Jeez this makes me dislike swift even more. She was that desperate for an award?
@@mikegonzalez503 she wanted the validation. watch the like 5 min clip from the documentary. In the first half of her career, she did what she thought people wanted her to do. she was a people pleaser and needed to be told she was doing a good job. she grew out of that, as many people do, and now makes the music she wants to make rather than the music she thinks people want. it makes sense, people do that kinda stuff all the time, it's just not on the international pop star level.
@@bethaniestauffer6609 i have zero interest in watching a documentary on her
@@mikegonzalez503 oooh you're so cool and quirky you still hate taylor swift🙄 did you just stop at that line? bc I literally explained exactly what went down in said clip.
@@bethaniestauffer6609 he's just a hater. He can stay pressed because taylor's albums are amazing and that's on period.
god i really needed the xx recognition
How someone can say, that Teenage Dream was one of the worst nominations is beyond me. It is literally one of the most memorable albums of the list here. Everyone will remember it, when you tell them the name of it. And no matter if you like Katy or not, you gotta agree, that that album is a bop compilation.
The singles were memorable the album wasn’t
@@Prodbyjah464 half of the album was singles....
@@SomebodyWon and? An album is the whole cohesive experience of each songs put together , Katy clearly didn’t make the album for it to be remembered only the radio singles.
@@Prodbyjah464 true LOL shes insane now too
@@Prodbyjah464it tied MJ for most billboard #1 songs on an album with 5, I think it’s memorable enough
I actually want folklore to win
Happy now ❤
Even if the superstar position is what gets Gaga nominated, I am not going to pretend that she’s mediocre. She changed the face of pop music in the early 2010s and I stand by that a decade later.
Plus her impact is more than that. Her music literally saved millions of lifes, especially younger members of the LGBT community at the time when teen LBGTQ suicide rate is at all-time high.
Yeah I couldn't take him seriously after he said Gaga was mediocre, at this point it's clear he just hates pop music
@@thesilenttreatment6837 please shush we’re talking about music and she wasn’t even that influential
@@cgo5161 Imagine having so much confidence yet such a stupid opinion.
Also, you couldn’t call her a superstar on her first album!
Takes time.
this absolutely always comes down to personal tastes lmao
and now you have Harrys House winning against Beyonce and Adele
The Grammys have never been fair, the notion that it went downhill started because now we have access to a lot more albums, critic ratings, sales and public opinions, it's not worse now, the internet just made their flawed and rigged system apparent.
The fact that Sheryl crow has multiple rock grammys and the fact that will Smith has 3 or 4 rap album grammys should tell you all you need to know
I don't know if it's "rigged" but the system is VERY simple. Friends vote (and nominate friends) so those with more firneds get more votes. Now I have heard of people paying for noms or paying for other people not to get noms but that is mostly hearsay.
@@popoff7808 Not friends, but label co-workers. People not on the big labels don't even get nominated. Then it comes down to the biggest labels getting the most votes for their nominees.
You talked about user score and how a lot of the albums not nominated had higher ones, but consider that the albums put out by superstars have a lot more exposure than the relatively obscure ones which are only listened toby their fanbases, and thats why they have a higher score, while people (specially rival fandoms) might intentionally give bad reviews. Not to say that it's not good music, but in that regard at least things might not be so black and white..
Another thing I disagree on is 1989. I'm not a very huge taylor swift fan, and i've only recently gotten into music, but i remember when the album came out. I went to an all boys school, and half my class knew the lyrics to Blank Space. When i went to pick up my sister from her school once, i remember there was a huge group of girls singing that song, while no one had even heard of any of the others. I live in a country where english isn't the first language, and I'm from a relatively remote town where the music is even more ignored. Not to say the other albums weren't great, but if you take in the sheer impact of 1989, it easily washes the others out.
All that said, the grammys are a scam and the weekend deserved better.
I agree with your points, but all the impact 1989 had was exceeded by MBDTF in every aspect
@@adityayellapragada1180 these two weren't even nominated in the same year... You're talking about to pimp a butterfly, right?
@@psy-i-i-duuck8952 No i was talking about taylor swifts 1989 against MBDTF
@@adityayellapragada1180 then what's the point in comparing these 2 albums when the video is clearly about which was more deserving of winning - the actual winner or the album over which it won (in this case 1989 & TBAP) since mbdtf and 1989 weren't released in the same year in no way mbdtf could lose to 1989 (it was a pretty solid album tho, totally worth the win)
9:00 as a testament to how impactful they are, I hear Swifties and CRJ fans calling 1989 and emotion 'sisters' all the time. Really, this was an amazing era of music, and picking a winner is a nightmare