Any man can find any women attractive just look at internet artists drawing fat girls, muscle girls,gremlin disaster girls because they are attracted to them to destroy the myth of objectively attractive people
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Quite disappointed by you and several other CZcamsrs promoting a game that has a loot box aka gambling mechanic and shoves it down your throat at all times. The core game idea is fun enough, the story is meh, but serves its purpose, but over a few days of playing it, it introduces a new feature to spend money on every day. „oh x must actually like and play this, surely it must be an ethical mobile game that doesn’t exploit its players“ - you’re promoting a product and I should’ve known better than believe an ad read even when coming from a fav creator.
Yeah, that's too bad. It's trying to mold all women now into a 1950's trad wife. If you're not that then you're a "pick me". Some women are better with a drill than they are with an oven. Some women make great plumbers .. And yeah, some women play video games really well. It's not done to impress a man. And that's what ultimately separates a pick me from a normal person. Are you doing what you're doing because you like it?
and it didn't lost meaning, it is just being massively misused. this isn't the same. people will always find a way to shame women who do not fit the norms and expectations of femininity as long as you guys keep believing in and reinforcing gender essentialism.
I remember when "Shake It Up" made a whole episode about Zendaya being tall and Bella Thorne being a lot shorter, and for some reason one part that I thought about was the overacted rage of her having to give people stuff from higher shelves. The only obvious way to fix it, is to hold people up when they need something 😂.
Things I have been called a Pick Me for: • Having more guy friends than girl friends at some points in my life • Wearing skirts every day (I just like how they feel more than pants) • Needing to ask for help getting something from a cabinet that I genuinely could not have gotten on my own • Telling my friend that her boyfriend (who had cheated on her multiple times) was toxic and that she should dump him • Admitting that I struggle in a lot of social situations because I feel like I’m just painfully awkward and like I don’t fit in with most people and no one wants me around. This one hurt the worst because I was telling her something that is very personal to me and she called me a pick me girl and told me I’m not as quirky as I think I am… All of this to say that the label has clearly lost all meaning. You can be called a pick me for polar opposite reasons now (too feminine or too masculine, too “quirky” or too basic, etc.)
If anything, that friend who used your vulnerabilities to hurt you showed their true colours. I'm so sorry for this, bc I too deal with the same struggles especially (I grew up with this in my family too). You're not alone, and I hope for you to find a kinder kin soon🖤
I would've told her (the girl who said the last one) shes an insensitive monster and the reason people don't like her is probably cause shes this insufferable. Lacking emotional intelligence at her big age is CRAZY too. You aren't alone girl.
This is literally just the same thing that happened with the term "Simp." It's like people learn a new word and try to shove it into every sentence they can.
and 90% of the time its a word black people have been using for years and then white people specifically take it and over use it and then complain about it being overused. like remember bae?
You're right, I've seen a video of a guy just saying he loves his girlfriend and wants to take her out for birthday and she apologized for making him feel like he had to He got called a simp and she got called a pick me I was WTF?!?!
I mean you can even go further than that, 10 years ago if someone called someone else a Nazi, I would think "oh I should avoid that person" now I think "are they actually a Nazi or did they disagree with you on a political topic so now you're vilifying them?"
I notice this comes up with the kardashians a lot it’s a paradox I notice in a lot of my otherwise ‘feminist’ friends. ‘Kim kardashians sets dangerous beauty standards she should be held responsible for the way her appearance affects people and triggers dysmorphia, EDs, low self esteem…’ but like, what? So you’re saying Kim k needs to either cater her appearance to your preference or you’re saying she should be punished for the way her appearance makes you feel? Or she shouldn’t be allowed to leave the house? Feminism should never involve controlling the way other women look or what they do with their own bodies though
I got called a pick me for saying that I suck at cooking and don't like to cook either. What do you want me to do? Pretend that I'm a chef with my microwaved butter pasta??
Fun tip for microwaved butter pasta, if it's just butter and salt on it, add some parmesan cheese after microwaving. (Assuming you don't already do that) Definitely unfortunate that you got criticized for being genuine though.
I'm a gay woman who has been called a "pick me" because I'm super into guitar gear, but when I try to talk to my girlfriend about guitar pedals she has no interest. Be yourself and like whatever you like.... And don't make your girlfriends listen to boring CZcams videos about guitars.
As Chappel Roan once said: "You should break up!" If your partner acts bored around the things youre really interested in. She might not like it, but least she should lisent & pay attention to it. Do that with my little brother when he talks about WWE , or my parents when I overdump about musicals.
I love how the internet overwhelmingly tells people to break up with their SO for…literally anything. Good for you for making clear how ridiculous that is. If you think your SO has to like EVERYTHING you like, something is wrong. Guitar gear is one of those hobbies that is really interesting to the people who like it and incomprehensible to those who aren’t into it. My wife can relate to your girlfriend.
the straightness of it all isn't lost on me. the concept both ways is that, regardless of the behavior/interests, women's behavior is assumed to be to attract men. Women can't even have personalities without it being assumed for men.
exactly!!! the assumption of heterosexuality absolutely oozes from every single one of these videos. the one that ripped on bisexual women just said the quiet part out loud
THIS. I just watched a video on "Hawk Tuah" girl (writing that hurts) and this one weirdo tiktoker was like "we love this girl because she has a personality unlike all you half dressed bitches!! it's all about making us laugh!!" yet she's constantly harassed to start an Only Fans and has even been approached by Playboy. It's so defeating.
gonna say, Queer women get completely forgotten about in the D I S C O U R S E . Just because you're not overly feminine does not autolatically make you gay/queer obviously but people forget maybe some girls really ARE just tomboys and really DO just relate to/prefer male freinds and it's not a performance.
*masculine woman* “EWWWW PICK ME XD” *feminine woman* “EWWWW PICK ME XD” it literally feels like we’re just making an excuse to hate on ANY type of woman
Wow it's almost like women are responsible for bullying and ostracizing other women 😳 I've talked about this very thing for a long time and ironically I got called a pick me for bringing attention to female bullying and what it looks like.
Wow it's almost like ♀️ are responsible for bullying and ostracizing other ♀️ 😳 I've talked about this very thing for a long time and ironically I got called a pick me for bringing attention to female bullying and what it looks like.
Honestly this fucking annoyed me so much. So like a few years back their were two women (can't remember the names, will look it up and add in the edit) one was a lesbian who pretended to be a man for a little bit just to see how it goes and the other talked to men's rights groups, both came to the conclusion that being a guy is generally pretty mentally taxing and not having the privilege of governmental support systems and NGOs that women have access to is horrible and miserable. They were vilified, called "pick me"s, misogynists etc. just for talking about issues that men face. Edit: first woman is Norah Vincent, she wrote a book called self made man. Second one was Cassie Jaye, she made a documentary called "The Red Pill".
Oh, you don't even have to be over 35 to be called a Karen. Basically any women of any age that expresses a strong opinion or stands up for herself is called a Karen nowadays. It's basically just become another way to tell a woman to 'know your place'.
"Karen" isn't gender or age specific anymore. "Karen" now just means anyone who is _beyond_ entitled. The reason this stereotype originates from entitled middle aged white women in America is because they're the most privileged and pampered, hence entitled, group of people in recorded history...on average. 🙂👍
100%, Karen is just a misogynistic slur used primarily by men (but pick-mes as well - in this case actual pick-mes) to say "STFU woman". I work in customer service. Male customers are definitely more entitled but there is only a gender specific slur for bad female customers? Misogynists just keep finding new ways to perform & use misogyny.
I think the biggest problem with both versions of the "pick me girl" is that they both assume there is a normal version of girl. That there is this default and correct way for a woman to be and when she does not act in the correct way, she is a pick me. When in reality all women are their own individuals.
@@sistermadrigalmorning233 a lot of "misogyny" from men comes from looking around and not liking what they see. However men dont call women pick me. Women are competitive and will do as much as they can to destroy other women to gain higher social status as social status is women's most coveted desire. Women will call other women a pick me to attempt to degrade others.
That is the BEST way to put it. There's no perfect mold, we're all unique and different. Being like other women is wonderful. Women are beautiful, strong, powerful, and will listen to your deepest confessions in the girl's bathroom while helping you reglue your eyelash and safety-pinning your broken strap to your dress. When I was super young and had only just gotten my cycle a month or so before, I went to the mall with a friend and got my period there. I realized I didn't have pads and the box in the bathroom was empty. So 10-yr-old me announced to a crowded bathroom: "Does anyone have a pad? I can't wear tampons." Immediately, every woman in there started looking in their purses, and about three girls found some and brought them to me at the same time. I ended playing "eenie meanie minee mo" to pick because I didn't want to make any of the girls feel bad, and had the whole bathroom giggling. I chose one, and crisis averted. My point is, if THAT'S what other women are like, then I am absolutely like girls.
I know right, we really went backwards in terms of having rigid ideas about gender expression. Not that I wanna go back to 10 years ago in which women who liked to dress feminine could be criticized as "dressing for male validation," but the same claim seems to be happening for the opposite type of expression. I do think that it's actually more likely to be the case that if someone dresses "not stereotypically feminine" they're more likely to be doing that for their own self interest, rather than the other way around. But, people should just be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want.
@@Olivetree80 I agree. I'm non-binary (she/they) and enjoy many "male" interests like DIY electronics, electronic music production, computer programming, video games, etc. Not because I want attention, but because I think tech is cool. And I don't get along that well with average women because I don't get along with the hyper-social nature of most of those groups. I'm on the spectrum so there's that too. It's sad that even as a trans person (born male), I was pressured into femininity and expected to trade one box for another. And many of my gal pals would bring me down for my introversion and deeper interest in tech. I would love to have friends who could nerd out instead of expecting me to process complex social signals. Also, on a semi-related note, I don't like that a lack of makeup is sometimes seen as a sign of depression.
No because the point was to slow people be who they are! Hyper feminine, girls into male interests , girls into make up , girls not into make up are allowed to exist with out degrading each other! That was the point! Let people do what they are interested with out it being a negative. Labels are just to explain the basic external vocabulary of something. It’s not the rule to negatively shame them! That’s it!
Anyone who I am envious of = pickme Anyone whose existence triggers the preexisting deep seated self hatred I carry inside but am not emotionally mature enough to address = pickme
as a butch queer woman, with more "masculine" interests, i have been saying - for AGES now - that the "pick me" term has been getting used to perpetuate hatred against gender non-conforming women, by gender conforming women. and sometimes, even when these gender conforming women don't hate us (gnc women) aloud - they do at least subconsciously exclude us. because if your definition of being "exactly like other girls" is essentially "being as stereotypically feminine as possible" - does that mean you either don't think gnc girls ARE ALSO girls, or you just don't acknowledge their existences in your mind to begin with?
that's not true though. I'm the epitome of gender conforming: I'm a housewife and mom with long hair, makeup, high heels and flowy dresses every day. I love gardening and cooking/baking. Guess what I was called a lot at university?
sorry I didn't mean your experience isn't true, I just meant that the "pick me" term is not just used to exclude non-conforming women, it's used to exclude the hyperfeminine as well. Everything that deviates from the norm even slightly.
I think you'll find the opposite happens. A lot. Do research. Hell, asks other gender confirning individuals in the street what they think a "pick-me" girl is. I guarantee you won't because that somehow makes you feel threatened just being in their presence, but also I guarantee you won't because you know that even gender conforming people will debunk your POV on a ratio that is embarrassing to admit.
I don't think this comment said anything to indicate that it's Only used against GNC women. This woman is just lamenting her own experience with it. I don't quite identify as butch but I'm also GNC and also experience this tension with other women sometimes. It's feels like in order to show that you're one of the girls you have to perform femininity in a specific way. There's this attempt at women showing solidarity with and relating to each other by talking about 'girlhood' and 'womanhood' as if it's this homogenous experience. In many ways I do experience positives from this, but it can also alienate people who don't feel they fit in. The "pick me" thing absolutely gets used to target women who aren't feminine enough. The whole thing about being a woman friends with men = "pick me." The assumption that a disinterest in certain hobbies many women enjoy = a judgment of them, misogyny. I know feminine women experience it as well, but that's not what this comment is about. @@wolfsmaid6815
This is unrelated but I’m a short guy (5’4) and people looovvvve trying to make me feel bad about it and just bring it up Constantly. So instead of hating myself, I embrace it now. I’ll call myself a “little guy” “short dude” “small man” and it weirdly makes people so uncomfortable. Even my little brother that’s taller me (my little big brother) says it makes him feel uncomfortable because I’m not supposed to like being a short small dude. I think people just hate people being okay with themselves for something they “shouldn’t” be and it’s just turned up to 100000% when it comes to women just being themselves because of misogyny
Exactly! I think it probably stems from more of a bullying standpoint, and when someone can’t use something to hurt you anymore, they get frustrated because it was never about the height, it was about making you FEEL small.
me too! I'm also like, a 164cm tall guy, and while it still does make me dysphoric, I am starting to embrace it - especially because I also like being cute, though that may not apply to everyone xD
There is no winning. If you’re quiet and shy you’re a pick me trying too hard to be cute. If you’re loud and talkative you’re a pick me and attention seeker. If you exist as a girl you’re a pick me because whatever you do that attracts attention is pick me behavior
Had a similar interaction a couple of years back. A guy in my school (who really liked make-up) asked me what make-up I wore. I said I didn't wear much make-up because I didn't enjoy how it felt, and he told me I was a pick me.. Apparently, answering a question honestly means you're seeking male validation...
i think the subway girl joke landed for me when she talked about men making her into a muse, i interpreted the joke as being about how men don’t want an equal partner or someone they think could outshine them. they actually want someone they perceive as a blank slate to project their ideals onto
8:45 Does false accusations of SA happen? Yes, they do. But my guy, if you’re in a friend group where all your friends have been “falsely” accused OVER 11 TIMES EACH…I’m sorry, but we have the “they actually did it, but no one believed the victims” option, and the “everyone of these women are all lying and doing so because of…reasons.” And if we’re talking over 11 different women for each friend…I’m sorry, but the former seems much more believable than the latter.
I got called a "pick-me" after saying that I don't believe in astrology but am very into astronomy. The woman went on to argue that I could only have an interest in science to impress men. I was literally working on a book about planetary habitability.
thank you for bringing up intersectionality during the tall girl part taylor swift is taller than megan thee stallion yet only one of them is consistently being called a man
Some of that is white privilege, and some is skinny privilege. Taylor's a bit of a waif, despite her height. Tall women are viewed as more acceptable by society if they're very thin. Those of us tall women who have curves or muscle, are not given that leeway.
I will not label women for meeting or not meeting female gender stereotypes. I will also not label men for meeting or not meeting male stereotypes. I wish we could move on from labels in general.
I don't think labels are the problem. Labels is how we organize concepts in our heads and make it less chaotic. I think the issue is the lack of empathy for each other and the lack of empathy is a consequence of our miserable lives where all we want is someone to blame for it.
pick me/nlog ended up just meaning "d*ke" lets be real and i think a big part of the resentment a traditionally feminine woman might have towards a woman who doesn't particularly fit those roles comes from a feeling of being cheated. like, "I had the option to not do all this? to not worry so much about maintaining a state of hyperfemininity? that was an option? does she think she's better than me to reject his uniform, as if she's stronger than me?" I know this because for the brief periods of my younger life when I was traditionally feminine I had a taste of those feelings, even though ultimately I've returned to enjoying non conformity. Basically, it can be confusing and feel like the rug is being pulled from under you to learn that what you thought it meant to be a woman was a lie, it wasn't material aesthetic or submissiveness, etc. Confusion and sudden new, contradictory information can breed very powerful anger.
@@anjetto1 the comment section would be empty for at least 45 min after upload ;) (I'm not through the video yet. just hate all "first" and "babe wake up" and "when I see [channel name i click" noise)
As I write this the video came out 46 minutes ago and is 46 minutes long, so any comment older than 10 seconds ago is automatically invalid... unless they used 2x speed.
I once shared in an online forum that I was often lonely as a kid because I was a quiet, nerdy bookworm who didn’t share many of the same interests with my peers. Some of the other commenters immediately called me toxic and a “not-like-other-girls girl.” I was like “Ma’am I was seven.”
I often feel like the people who take the most joy out of dunking on "not like other girls" girls aren't feminists but high school bullies delighted to have a socially acceptable excuse to continue hating on nerds and weird kids
What the..., that's really messed up! in my honest opinion there's no 'like other girls' or 'like other boys', everyone is unique and different in a way even twins. I was also like this, as my mom always said it was like I am living in my own world to the point she was afraid I have autism 😅 Anyone expecting girls to have the same personality should get themselves checked, we aren't clones, we have different lives and experiences, having the same interests doesn't make you the same, so 'like other girls' is bullshit which mean this pick me trend is also bullshit.
As a neurodivergent woman, I always felt guilty when my lack of interest and knowledge in “feminine” hobbies like make up, nails, celeb/pop culture, dating (or dating boys, because not being straight actually played a role in this) etc were signs of someone being a pick me girl. It was especially hard before getting my diagnosis because I didn’t understand why my interests, were not the same as my neurotypical girl friends and I felt (still feel) incredibly excluded by my friend groups because I can’t even say I’m not interested in make up or other “femenine” activities because I’m scared of being labeled as a Pick-Me.
my best friend called me pick me for not wanting to tan (it’s like a fcking ritual where i’m from) and for calling out the ridiculous “need” for tanning in the summer otherwise you’re not attractive. arguably i’m in more of an alternative scene while’s she’s with the normies which is obviously totally fine, who cares, we’re all people with our own interests, but when i was like “when did i ever put women down? y’all can tan all u want, just don’t call me ugly for not wanting to do it myself” she said that’s not what a pick me is and that i’m trying to be different. suddenly you HAVE to be like other girls, otherwise you’re trying too hard at being cool and that’s cringe. it really has come full circle, and i honestly don’t know how to talk abt it to her cuz i will just be labeled as a pick me for idk bringing up the subject??
That sucks. Sometimes when I don't know how to bring things up like that, I go about asking the other person questions about how they view it; I think it helps (obviously done in a nice way, but I'm sure you will since she's your friend) to get into a discussion about opposing views without causing anyone to feel attacked (hopefully). So, if it were me, I might ask something (in a friendly tone, of course) like: what scenario might exist where someone doesn't want to do whatever thing (in this case tan) and NOT be a pick-me. Or, since you're friends, you could just ask if she would really classify you as a pick-me; does she think that's how you are (probably not or she probably wouldn't be friends with you, since she seems to have some disdain for the pick-mes), and if not, then can't she trust that you just truly don't want to tan or do whatever else? I don't know. That would just be my approach. :S Good luck with your friend. I'm sure she cares about your feelings, so you can always just straight up say, "I don't want to sound bad for bringing this up, but it kind of bothered me" blah blah. Okay, sorry for typing so much.
Nothing made me reflect on my internalised misogyny more than having a daughter. She wanted to buy a sparkly pair of "frozen" shoes, and every fibre of my being wanted her to pick something else. I had to stop and think, when my son was the same age i bought him some lightning mcqueen shoes with no issue. It wasn't the branding that i had an issue with. I just didn't want my little girl to overtly enjoy the thing that thousands of other little girls enjoy. All i really want is for her to be happy and love the things she loves, whatever they may be.
@@ruthspanos2532 and or have wheels~! man those were certainly.. _some_ days. i wonder how many kids went to the hospital because of those things for them to just disappear all of the sudden (edit: for the shoes to disappear not the kids!)
I remember in high school, as a girl, I would sometimes talk to my friends about some video games I liked at the moment, because I like talking about my current obsessions. I thought it was okay with my friends until one day one of my friends said "omgg I'm not like other girls I like video games and animes". She was mocking me and calling me a pick me and that shut me up so fast I didn't know how to respond to that. And that's what I've been thinking. It's actually so misogynistic to assume that me talking about my obsessions is just because I want to be different/want male validation. I enjoyed dressing up, doing my hair, putting gloss on, shopping, getting lil drinkies. Like she knew that about me, but still called me a pick me just because I was infodumping on games, that's bullshit. I'm proud to be a woman but I wish I was perceived as a person instead. Liking "feminine" things is shamed, liking "masculine" things is shamed. Omg I just want to exist
Mocking girls for being "different" is just being mean and misogynistic, it's awful that it's become a trend :( I hope you've found a better community now!
@candlecord yes! Thank you :)) my boyfriend at the moment loves to hear me yap and I love when he does the same! I'm still friends with the person who mocked me because they grew as a person, as I did too. Tbh I think she probably saw those videos of pick me girls a lot on her fyp and didn't quite understand what it was. Thanks for your comment, have a nice week ^^
@@victoriafraga2222 Aw that's so nice to hear that you have someone to yap to, and that your friend has grown out of that mentality! I will admit I also fell victim to it when I was younger, but we grow and we learn :) you have a wonderful week too, cheers!! ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for saying this. It's not quite the same experience for me, but I remember when another girl told me anime is for guys just because Im a girl who likes anime. I was also once told that I'm not feminine just because I like anime and video games even though I very much love to dress up and wear cute clothes. It's so frustrating because you just can't do anything without having some sort of label attached you. It's like people think women can only have hobbies that are just shopping and makeup and if we deviate for that even for a bit, suddenly we are a "pick me"or "unfeminine" I feel like this whole pick me trend has devolved in such a way to just further alienate women against eachother. Anyways thats all, sorry for the long rant, I just wanna say I agree w u a lot, also love your Jojo pfp
Man I don't know what's up with that friend I would absolutely love someone info-dumping about video games with me. It's pretty sad that your friend reacted like that. But cool that she grew and learnt from that.
I was today years old when I learned Tara was not 5 feet 10 inches (177.8cm) like I thought she was. She just always gave off tall queen energy. I'm mistaken. Still a queen and still love your content
I feel this! I’m a very tall woman with a high pitched voice. People don’t know how to respond to that. People think I’m putting on an act with my voice for attention. And men would feel uncomfortable at the idea of me being taller than them, to the point where I stopped wearing high heels to avoid being even taller. So growing up, I always felt like I took up too much space and that I’d be annoying people if I talked to them. I felt like I wasn’t feminine enough because all the other girls I knew were shorter and I was bullied for it. And when a shorter woman had a higher voice, people saw them as cute. However, as an adult, I’ve learned two different things. The first is if my mom heard someone else say the things I say about myself, she’d be ready to rip out that person’s uvula. So why talk about myself in that way? If your mom isn’t that great, then imagine someone who would be furious if someone disrespected you. And if I said those things to someone else, it’d be so disrespectful. The second is that I’m a freaking adult now and that it’s my responsibility to support myself… so FUCK ‘EM! Nobody else can determine how I feel except for me, so if someone else judges me for me being me, FUCK ‘EM! It’s a great phrase that I use frequently… especially since I’m an adult and have more important things to focus on. So all of the ladies in the crowd, say it with me… FUCK ‘EM!!!!!!’
One thing I don't think you mentioned (unless I dissociated during that bit 😭) is that the discourse around pick-mes is very heterosexual-centric. Not that lesbians can't have internalized misogyny or try to ingratiate themselves to men for non-romantic/sexual reasons, but the assumption is always that the presumed pickme behavior is for the purpose of attracting a man as a mate.
The funny thing is, I see this used against bi/pan/queer women in queer spaces too, as "straight girl behaviour." Even among lesbians, there's sometimes this idea that women are responsible for constantly monitoring ourselves to see if a man could sexualize our behaviour, and carefully abstain from any behaviour that could be perceived as being "for men".
As a lesbian, this is something I wish would be brought up more in the discussions on pick me as a sexist insult. Because I feel like we're going to be labelled as a pick me really fast no matter how we're presenting ourselves. The masc lesbians are going to be accused of trying to be one of the boys for approval while the more femmes are going to be accused of seeking male approval through adhering to gender roles. I've been accused of being a pick me and it's always just awkward when I point out to people that I'm a lesbian. Because there's inevitably some sort of double-think these people bring up on why it still a valid insult to throw. It's also worth noting that, even if a girl/woman is doing something to attract a guy, there's not really anything wrong with that. The issue has always stemmed from tearing down other women or denying her own humanity to make herself more noticeable or desirable.
Another thing people forget to consider...some girls really do relate to and prefer to be friends with guys. I had to go to an all girls school for high school and one thing I was forever kinda disappointed about was there were no guys to be friends with. It's not that I wasn't friends with girls beforehand,it sucked I didn't really share interests with anyone, I found it hard to relate (granted this is was also mostly because I had confined myself to one group of peers within the school but it still felt weird to be fenced off from like, an entire gender, 50% of all people) trying to beat the tomboy out of girls is a rite of passage it seems.
@@takingaghostdump2026 even when heterosexuality is out of the question, masc woman are still given side-eye (even from queer women!) because it's assumed to be a performance, an ex once told me I "had a fascination with masculinity" which...didn't really ring true. Sure there were times I'd indulge in buying some "MAN-PRODUCT" with a little ironic glee (like I was sneaking into the "no girls allowed" club house...tee hee!) but otherwise no, this is really just my natural state and not something I really think about all that much (except trying to decide what outfit I'm going to wear at any given time so that's one thing I have in common with the "girlies")
100%. Our obsession with therapising others, especially women, manifests in new methods of policing their behaviour. Besides the whole pick-me thing, I noticed similarities with the whole Oxford study ordeal, where every Asian woman dating a white guy is inheretly burdened with internalised racism. The social media rooted infighting needs to stop.
I also think this applies to a lot of men. The borderline between toxic people and masculinity, and confused people who are just trying to exist in a dystopia nightmare, is getting a lot fuzzier. This is worse for women including trans women but not a feminine only thing.
Halfway into this video I was thinking this. Like...I really don't care about all these girls and women on TikTok calling themselves or each other pick me or anti pick me or whatever. I've given up trying to understand what is happening and why.
people are now just using the pick-me label as a way to justify their own jealousy because they feel threatened by other women. this is why you could be called a pick me for literally anything, cause there’s always something to envy. it’s so annoying and the lack of self awareness is screaming
also, notice how all the girls that are called pick-mes are conventionally attractive. i bet if they looked average or just different from beauty standards they wouldn’t get called out so heavily because they wouldn’t be considered as big of a ‘threat’
I got called a pick me when I told another woman that women should be able to enjoy the attention of men no differently than men enjoy the attention of women. I said, "You're right, I am a pick me, I'm hoping another woman will want to befriend me and we'll practice REAL feminism together."
Tara being the first content creator i've ever seen calling out the aave getting mistaken for "tiktok"/"gen z slang" phenonmenon and i am so glad. It's seriously getting annoying where people are outright making fun of certain words/phrases because it's "overused" or considered some "youngster" or "tiktok" slang when most of us have been speaking like this for centuries.
white internet challenge: don't ruin/warp AAVE phrase we just heard. (no successes yet, I'm so sorry) edit: I think that meme came from youtube channel, but there's a fair chance I'm demonstrating the issue?
If you wouldn't mind could you give me an example of slang/phrases that's been used for centuries that is now popular? I'm not being combative btw I'm just curious English is my second language
@@catsinburg8626 Green fn (originated from nba 2k but then branched out from there fn stands for fuck nigga), rizz (kai cenat popularized it to white audiences but its kinda old still, short or charisma), blud (super old, a term to use for a RELATIVE not just somebody you know), unc (old man, similar to oldhead), jit (to refer to somebody younger than you), Gyatt (literally from Jamaican patois, it just means God), Bomboclatt (jamaican patois, its kinda just a ! in usage, not an ajactive) Those are only the ones off the top of my head too
@@catsinburg8626that's kind of a tough question, as most of the slang words from 100s of years ago are just normal words now! You can watch the entomology nerd's channel for content explain this kind of thing But I think the point the original commenter was trying to make this that this phenomenon of aave becoming mainstream and then just being seen as 'youth slang' has been going on for centuries, or at the very least decades, which is absolutely true unfortunately
I was a daddy's girl growing up, while my mom was kinda cold to me. I typically have pick me behavior because of it but it's not a sexual thing, nor an attention thing, it's because I'm actually more comfortable with male affection. I am trying to be more comfortable with women, being vulnerable and open, and have found it so rewarding
the whole ‘pick-me’ storm always makes me dig out that one trusty margaret atwood quote that never fails to bring me to my knees. ‘up on a pedestal or down on your knees, it's all a male fantasy... even pretending you aren't catering to male fantasies is a male fantasy: pretending you're unseen, pretending you have a life of your own, that you can wash your feet and comb your hair unconscious of the ever-present watcher peering through the keyhole, peering through the keyhole in your own head, if nowhere else. you are a woman with a man inside watching a woman. you are your own voyeur.’
What are you even talking about? I have an actual life with things to do, and simply cannot be bothered to care in the slightest about what every woman in my line of sight is doing.
@@calebh373it’s about living under the patriarchy. The quote is not literal, it is saying that unfortunately everything a woman does is judged by the patriarchy. Of course we are people and we have lives and interests and relationships that have nothing to do with men. But arguably, philosophically, everything a person (all genders) does or is expected to do is a response to (either an acceptance or rejection of) the patriarchy.
Just adding my two cents, as a neurodivergent girl, I genuinely do not feel like other girls but that PAINS me. It's not some personality quirk I picked up to get attention by men (I'm asexual), its my experience in life feeling like I can't belong in any friendship group and desperately wanting to fit in so that I'm not alone.
I lost a bunch of weight and cried when I got called a basic white girl. Not because it hurt my feelings. But because for once I was seen as one of the other girls.
Oh my god, as another neurodivergent girl, EXACTLY. Every time I see the phrase "not like other girls" I mentally say to my self "Yeah I'm not like other girls. In fact I'm not like other people." Because living in society makes me feel "othered" every single moment of my life. Just makes me wonder how many of those labelled this way are just NDs.
I despise how this trend has affected neurodivergent women. A lot of them struggle with friendships, sometimes with female friendships. Instead of reaching out to these women, I’ve seen girls state they don’t trust women who don’t have female friends and won’t even give them a chance (a lot of the time these women barely have friends at all) . Meanwhile, I know a lot of toxic women who have a huge group of female friends and they get to claim the “girls girl” tittle.
I just love all women who are good people at the core. Do whatever you want girly, live your life, be yourself or dont or whatever know just that i love you and i am always supporting you like alll you need in this world is to be a genuinely good person nothing else really matters. I love all of you. None of the specifics, the demographics, the different types of women matter. Just let people live as long as theyre not causing any serious harm. Live and let live. Live and let live. And love lots.
I was recently talking about how even subcultures like hippies and punks can be full of horribly bigoted behavior, and my conclusion reminds me a lot of how I feel about the whole pick me debate: There is not subculture, fashion style, aesthetic, hobby, interest, or identity that saves you from being a “bad person”. A feminine girly girl can be just as much of a misogynist as a girl with masculine interests who’s “one of the dudes”. But actually unpacking your internalized misogyny is hard, so it’s easier to associate good politics with things that are easy to control (how you dress and act). Especially if you already dress/act that way, so you don’t need to actually change anything about yourself. It’s hard to realize that you do put down other women, and even harder to fix. Instead of going through important self examination, just act like wearing makeup/not wearing makeup makes you a feminist!
"Women are being labeled as pick me even when they're not making fun of other women" so exactly like what happened to "not like other girls" which has ended up being used to bash any woman who liked alternative stuff, had any sort of self deprecating humor or stepped out of line in any way? Anything we use to point out internalized misoginy ends up being used against women, it seems.
Honestly any woman-specific insult, even if it's calling out an actually bad phenomenon, ends up devolving into legitimate misogyny. See: Karen, not like other girls, pick me girl, etc.
So, who is labeling these women? Are those mysoginist women, or even mysoginist men? Generally my understanding of slightly 'alternative' women is that they are respected and loved by many, only sad, envious people would ever dare to criticize them and the criticism would be as unjust as it would be false. The only real example I have seen in my lifetime has been women that are having trouble empathizing with other women, but not with men. Basically these women are socially insecure and turn to men (who due to finding them attractive) will give them the honest attention they desire. This basically results in them having a few less boundaries, being more touchy with men and generally being well liked, which causes envy with other, more well adjusted women, who see them as a danger or unfair competition. The very basic explanation is: Women are complex beings, while men are relatively straightforward. It makes sense for women to slightly adhere more to the less complex sex, as she can predict the (positive) results of her behaviour far better than with the other more complex sex. Also, it is very hard to find a man that actively 'hates' women. The only men that hate women, are the ones that have had their ego destroyed many times by women and the few that see them as simple playthings and has no respect for them. Both aren't exactly common examples and a tiny minority amongst the population.
@@pinobluevogel6458 truly well-adjusted women do not see other women as competition. If anything, most women with at least some sense of self-security move on if they ever encounter belligerence from another woman for no discernible reason other than simply existing. Also, misogyny does not manifest itself in simple feelings of hatred - it's moreso in actions and prejudice.
Men and women do not hate on women in similar ways most of the time. When women hate on women, in my experience, it is more as if they are comparing themselves to the other woman and trying to put her down to gain validation for herself. When a MAN hates on a woman, it is typically a product of patriarchy, such as "evalutating" a woman's "worth" with stereotypically female hobbies such as cooking, cleaning, raising kids etc. ans for younger men it all boils down to sex/body count, believing she's"lost her worth" if she's slept with someone etc., aasuming that the female sex by default is over emotional/incompetent/less logical/inferior compared to male rationality/inferior compared to male strength etc. While insecure women do adopt similar methods to put down other women, they typically don't play into the generalising aspect because that would put THEMSELVES in the "inferior" ring, which is precisely what they're trying to AVOID. I don't exactly register the tone of this comment very well, but stop trying to make it seem like only women hate women. It is true and does exist the other way around, insecure men hate on men and women, insecurewomen hate on men and women, it is not an argument. "Well adjusted" men and women do not bother living for external validation by insulting others like these types. @@pinobluevogel6458
Thinking I spent my whole teenage years beating myself up for having been a pick me, when it was actually a reaction to being excluded and ignored for failing to perform femininity right is... something. I think we should all just accept we were born into the patriarchy, and are just doing our best lol
I am neurodivergent, and i always found it hard to be friends with neurotipical girls because i don't understand social clues. When i'm at a party i end up talking to a lot of guys just because they are easier for me to understand. However if i say this it sounds like i'm acting like a pick me. I don't hate other girls, But it's also true that i never managed to fit in, and that made me feel bitter for quite some time. I feel like the pick me discourse is silencing autistic woman's struggles and so much more topics that I'd love to hear more about.
as a neurodivergent woman with plenty of female friends(i used to have none and also be bitter about it), yes it can be hard but there are plenty of women who’s friendships don’t consist of just “feminine shit” or talking about men. i have a lot of friends i just play video games with or make weird ass jokes. it’s not always an excuse and there are other women like you, this is kind of the epitome of pick me to be honest 😂😂 even though you’re not meaning for it to be and i understand that. you ARE able to make friends with women i promise and it’s okay to be bitter but at some point you have to help yourself mama ❤❤❤ there are more neurodivergent women than you would think!! 😂😂😂😂
@@smellytoad666 hows what they said " the epitome of pick me" if they werent looking for male validation, just find it easier to talk to men, theyre autistic and thats their experience that just happens
Did you even understand what she (I'm assuming she) meant? It's clear that it was because men are reasonably straight forward with how they act, whereas women aren't typically as easy to understand as a neurodivergent person. It wasn't about interests, it was about social cue.
@@daliam8715 She's not entirely wrong. Men almost never pretend to be friends with you if they don't really like you, that's by and large a female friend thing. one-on-one I'm more likely to be friends with women but in groups, especially if you don't personally get to hand-select every member of the group, I would strongly prefer to be in more mixed-gender spaces
@@user-xm5ry2ld1j I was on the website instead of the app on my mobile, so it didn't tag the person who I was actually replying to so you probably missed what I said. I agree with that person, but disagree with the person who says that this way of thinking is pick me behaviour.
@@AShreads55 that's the thing, in my country there's financial aids for single moms and people who haven't worked for a while get a very cheap apartment paid plus money for food. She got those things yet votes for a right wing party that wants to make those aids much lower bc they want to force women to not divorce or leave their husbands bc "traditional family" 😭
There was a point where I was getting recommend "pov: pick me" videos non-stop & i couldn't help but notice how often these videos would put down girls for not being strong at a specific skill or not having an interest instead of actually drawing on the women that the archetype refers to. In a way, it just felt like a whole "tomboy vs girly girl" thing where each would put down the other (EX: "I'm horrible at makeup" = pick me; "I really like makeup" = also pick me). Idk if this will make sense but I feel like sometimes that kind of content was made to appeal to women who feel the same way & prove they're a "girls girl" (like a "pick me" for girls?). It's like we're always trying to get approval from other women in order to feel comfortable in our existance as women.
That's why the term lost all power because it's treated like "gay" is for guys. Since gay as a derogatory term been popping back up as of late. It it's basically the male pick me now. Men like cooking = gay Woman like it = pick me. Basically both come from people doom scrolling talking shit on people's being normal.
Had no idea short women get dealt with this. People really should just live life without making assumptions about others. I have always helped women and blokes if they too short because it pretty normal to help someone for being short and polite or vertically challenged
There was a 9 year old girl who posted a joke about how she’s small for her age and the comment section was full of people bullying her and calling her a pick me 😭 like how are you bullying a child at your grown age? Are you not embarrassed?
i recently saw a reel on instagram where a girl was simply asking how people wear foundation, because she had sensory issues and found it uncomfortable when foundation was too cakey on her face. a simple question, honestly, and i empathize with her because i feel the same way. but somehow, people decided that this was pick-me behaviour and started absolutely tearing her apart in the comment section. it's like we did a complete 360 and went right back to reinforcing gender norms and forcing all women to be traditionally feminine. great job, everyone.
@@skyhideaway well okay, I will say there is a difference between asking for makeup tips and asking "how do you do this thing everyone does and that I can't do because of a medical condition?". *Because one has an answer, **_the other one answers it's self._* And when you ask questions you already know the answer to, there's typically a negative reason for it that is up for interpretation. And when people are CONSTANTLY being told something is bad and stupid, they will autofill that. *_Asking open ended questions gets you open ended results and this is the internet we're talking about which runs on algorithms and shit._* It's like telling a joke poorly, it is also kinda on the person who told the joke. *You do have to think about what you are communicating, **_especially when communicating with total strangers out of any interpersonal context._* Edit: BASICALLY, there was infact a better way to express that and without secondary social cues to indicate tone _that does infact sound like something you could say to mock people who wear makeup._ So yes people shouldn't dog pile and jump down people's throats, *but also you should probably keep in mind the void you are screaming into can hear what you're saying **_and definitely has opinions about that._*
@@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty you don't even know how the person worded their question, i just paraphrased it here. so unless you've seen the exact video i'm talking about, everything you just said is invalid.
@@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty Friendly reminder that sensory issues are most common in neurodivergent people, and you are talking about understanding social cues, which neurodivergent people are a lot less likely to be able to do. You are very likely criticizing a neurodivergent child for acting like a neurodivergent child. Don't place the blame on the kid for not picking up on the social cues you feel she should already know. Even if she is neurotypical, everyone learns things at different paces. She asked a simple question, and she deserved a simple answer without hostility
An interesting parallel to "Pick Me" is the term "Simp". It started as a way to refer to a guy who unquestioningly agrees with or defends a woman despite his own feelings just because he finds them attractive. I see poeple getting called simp all the time now even when supporting women who are genuinely supporting women. A big difference though is that even though simp is mostly used by men to criticize other men the shift still feels rooted in misogyny. It feels like more of an indictment of the woman in the scenario. It's like they're saying that no reasonable person could agree with and support this woman unless they wanted to sleep with her. Nobody gets called a simp in general for the way they act or their personality or interests it's always in response to someone's feelings about a specific woman.
"White Knight" is a similar, much older term. It is an inversion of your definition of "simp" here. It describes a man who is "soft" and "feminist", who defends femininity but for performative reasons, and not because he actually cares
My man is constantly called a simp by both friends and family because on some occasions he has decided to do feminine things with me (which he obviously cannot enjoy because he is a boy 😒) he has told them that when he decides to do things with me he does it at own will and that I never force him and they still call him whipped and a simp
Right!! Now it's used as an insulting way to describe a man that shows any amount of support/love for women. Even their own girlfriends, wives, best friends... It's so pathetic it's like if you treat women as human beings you're a simp.
I said this “I think calling girls pick me is just another way to enforce gender roles” I’m 2021 at the age of 14 to my 100 tiktok followers and got clowned
so much of pick me culture is based on assumptions. you assume she's doing this or that because she wants the attention of men. it's very one-sided and one-dimensional to assume all womens' intentions and actions are with men in mind. women are whole people, but still today we're having trouble remembering that.
@user-xr7ci8tf3e anti choice feminism and telling women that they ONLY like pink and ONLY shave because of social conditioning is definitely not the answer pookie.
@user-xr7ci8tf3e We are constantly operating under a patriarchal society with sexist/misogynist undertones. There's nothing we can do about that. Is cooking for your husband wrong because it's traditional and commonly used as a sexist way of controlling women? I don't think so. Choosing NOT to cook for your husband out of fear that it's a "sexist action" in my opinion, is letting the patriarchy control your actions, and can actively stifle women from having their own interests. This is actually very relevant to the ideas expressed in the video! I spent years denying my own individuality because I believed it was rooted in sexism. I will not do that any longer. I WANT to be a "princess" and I WANT a knight in shining armor. Clearly this is historically tied with sexist ideals, but that doesn't make the desire itself wrong or sexist. You may associate them together all you want, but in my opinion, true feminism is allowing women to choose to do what they desire (such as wear white at their wedding or cook for their husbands, or do neither of those things) without judgement.
Especially queer women. If anything, I’m doing it for women’s attention. I guess it technically works if they call me a pick me because I did get their attention lol
@@flyingfox3296 That circles into women not knowing how to cook for themselves. So many actions that would be for a woman to gain her on independence from others end up locking her into other female stereotypes of being "useless" So it ends up being a catch-22. Either she knows skills that COULD be used when she gets married yet that doesn't mean she IS learning them to just serve somebody else and or it's against her will. Like we all need to learn how to take care of ourselves somewhat. Like her learning to be self-reliant is a "pick me move" is mind-numblingly stupid.
As a masc lesbian I've always had mixed feelings about "pick me" discourse. Like, some women just aren't feminine, (or maybe they are but their experience with feminity are complicated due to other factors such as race, class, neurodivergency etc) and sometimes, the societal expectation to be feminine is alienating. That is a valid experience, and we're allowed to talk about it lmao. It's not always an attack on other women. That being said, unfortunately, sometimes it is weaponized by people who project their insecurities onto others. So, really, it comes down to tone, context, and intentions. TLDR; i agree let women live
I agree so much. I was a tomboy towards the end of middle school and felt so alienating, bacause I had a hard time joining into conversations that revolved around feminity and in my class it was a high time of bad boy romance, loads of Make up and interest in guys. I always felt like I had to prove myself, because it just wasn't for me, but I felt alone with my interests and behaviour.
agree agree agreeee. i'm a femme lesbian, and i grew up hating the color pink, and i still mostly don't like it as an adult. and the horrible things some of these "girls girl"s say about women/girls not liking pink or not liking dresses/skirts are just... wow. like what if some girls hate pink, not because they want to appeal to men, but actually because the color pink is HEAVILY associated with traditional femininity and has ties to heteronormativity? why is it considered a "performance for men" to talk about our experiences with having traditional femininity and heteronormativity pushed down our throats since childhood?
I personally don’t experience my femininity like I wish because I can’t afford to look effortlessly girly or alt or whatever. It is goddamn privileged discourse either way and they need to garner real problems
I have adhd. TIKTOK has completely convinced several generations of people that they DONT have *OBJECT PERMANENCE* TikTok looooooves buzzwords. The actual meaning of a word can be dismantled so quickly. It’s crazy
@@advsreeharivs Nah. The difference is that object permanence is a function that you grow into. Not having it only applies to babies and if you still don’t have object permanence as a grown adult, that should be very concerning as it would imply you were very developmentally stunted to not have at an older age. This is a true buzzword. ADHD is nothing compared to object permanence being a buzzword.
Yesh I feel like the whole trans discourse is further perpetuating gender stereotypes.... Just because a guy likes makeup and barbies doesn't mean he's a girl!
op, b4 the wrong kinds of ppl swarm ur replies emboldened by the most recent one: no, this is not trans people’s fault. Trans people are some of the loudest advocates on the planet for allowing ppl to do whatever they want w/o having their identity dictated to them on the basis of these hobbies/fashion styles/etc - it’s kind of the entire point. Please stop blaming us for your own/parents’ own/educators’ own ignorance when they don’t bother to learn beyond their stereotypical ideas of what being trans/nb is and teach it to others (Edit: I get there’s odd exception like the trans woman on tiktok who tried to claim Kurt Cobain was definitively a closeted trans woman himself, but I’m at pains to point out that I only learned abt the drama because of the many, many other trans people who pulled her up on how this was wrong to do lol)
SO basically there's only one solution to this tragicomedic ouroboros -- recognizing that every single person you see (even the ones on tiktok) exists not as vehicles to further your own sense of superiority but complex individuals whose drives, beliefs, actions, and emotions should be respected.
In my 20’s (more than 20 years ago) I always felt I had to deny my femininity to be taken seriously - at work, with friends, with boyfriends. It’s a family dynamic that wasn’t from my parents, it was from my grandparents. One on each side had a lot of misogyny and the more impactful misogynist was my grandmother. She was also kind of a dick in general but she devalued femininity and domestic duties… I tried to keep up with what she valued in people until I had no confidence in myself. And to her if you didn’t have all the self confidence in the world you were a loser; and therefore I had less confidence (like I said - she was a bell-end). I feel like this “pick me” call out culture was a way to call out internalized misogyny and that’s good, but has come full circle into actual misogyny. I really love this video and how it examines the bullshit. As a feminist today, you gotta stand firmly with delighting in other women’s rights to choose their own lives - tradwife? Awesome! as long as you CHOOSE it. Butch lesbian? Awesome! as long as you CHOOES it. Most women fall somewhere in between those two extremes… we can be fem today, butch tomorrow and nonbinary the next - lovely! Enjoy your life and your choices. Feminism is for ALL people. Feminism is about choice and freedom. Misogyny hurts everyone. Sit with your judgements before you examine and tear down someone else, take a look at yourself and why other people’s lives makes you angry. We gotta be able to call out misogyny without bringing other people down to “less than” status. This is how political atrocities happen. Young women please support other women - even if you disagree, don’t just slap a label and walk away, try to understand people.
this is so real😭I started to feel bad for saying I don't like wearing makeup 'cause that was a "pick me" thing to say but this video brought me down to earth, thanks boo🙏
I think the reason the subway tiktok joke didnt land is that there was no way for the general public to know it was a bit. I don’t know her, i don’t know she’s a professional comedian. Some people do genuinely hold these beliefs (or commit to the bit of pretending they do), making it kinda hard to jump to “she’s trolling” right away
Exactly my thoughts. We're seeing so many videos on a daily basis from people we don't know in the slightest that it's easy to take most of them literally. I'm sure there is a double standard between sexes when it comes to comedy, I find myself reinforcing that by accident sometimes too, but if I'd see the same joke told by a male comedian I never saw before while he has a straight face... I'll also assume he's just being misogynistic. If there's no indication in the title or the description of the video that it's satire, how am I supposed to know for sure? And even when you have disclaimers, sometimes your content gets reposted without the context so it's impossible to tell how genuine it is.
absolutely agree. i've seen too many people spouting that sort of thing genuinely/seriously. i would never have picked it up as satire if it hadn't been stated later - maybe the autism doesn't help, but i'm going to take that sort of thing at face value unless it's made clear that it's satire. i'm glad she was joking, but it wasn't clearly a joke, so it landed as a justpearlythings ripoff instead of an interesting and humorous critique.
Yeah, when I saw it in this video (not actually the original video, but from what I got it's literally like that) I got the impression that she was projecting and talking about someone specifically. There are too many videos of strangers on the internet who are 100% serious when they do something like this... It was really hard to spot the satire. But, to be fair, she said that she was not in control of the edit, so I'm gonna blame also whoever edited the video in that way. Like, maybe I would still not get the joke but, with a better edit, I would at least get it was satire.
I think it makes perfect sense and is funny? Like, she's describing *a New York dude's ideal girlfriend*, not a real girl. The way she says "I'd love to meet her" sorts of implies that such a girl might not even exist in the real world. Idk, I thought it was fairly obvious that she was making a joke about what men think they want?
Right. Sometimes people do just want something to be angry about, but sometimes you miss the context and risk taking it seriously. I missed the beginning part on my first listen through, which as @jaynestrange said was an important part of knowing it's satire. As always, missing context isn't always an individual's fault and I think it's a big part of why the Internet is such a big place for conflict to arise.
I’ve been called a pick me because I’ve talked about always feeling different from other girls-in the context of having a very hard time making new female friendships-which is very important to me. My struggles with being social just slapped me with a label despite having zero to do with male validation
This reminds me of when you are arguing with someone as a child abt not talking and it goes like: “You just talked” “Well you just said something “ “But you just talked again” And it goes on… When u shame a woman for shaming a woman you are shaming a woman and therefore perpetuating the problem
I'm uncomfortable with the 'pick me' and 'girl's girl' labels because I'm autistic. I've spent my entire life being excluded from female friendship groups for not understanding the unspoken rules and not performing femininity correctly. 'Girl's girl' seems like a term almost designed to alienate women like me who don't fit in. I often wonder if a lot of 'I'm not like other girls' types were also actually undiagnosed autistic and rebelling against an experience of girlhood they felt excluded from. I often hesitate to discuss my experience with female friendships because I'll be labeled a 'pick me'.
What I’ve noticed is that many women will often go full circle and act as though other girls will always have your back, and talk about girl code as if its gospel, which never reasoned with me. As another undiagnosed autistic girl, I was often beaten down and made fun of by both men and women alike, which makes me confused. Women are so complex, and all of us are different. Is it not inherently backwards to assume all women are on our side when that is clearly not true?
The "anti-pick me" trend, especially during the barbie movie time last summer, has always annoyed me. Because as you said, they have a valid point (feminine interests are valid as well), but to me it seemed like they were just (unintentionally) reinforcing gender stereotypes. We don't have to act like "feminine" interests are only reserved for girls and we don't have to say that women generally don't like "masculine" things
It really bothered me too, because I think the pick me trend came from seeing like. Misogynistic representations of women as shallow and vapid etc and wanting to pull away from that (albeit, in a way that's also misogynistic), so being the opposite of that is just. Being that misogynistic representation of what a woman is. Like, let's just get rid of all of it
The words on the thumbnail got me here: let mfs live! We are so obsessed in calling out every little thing thats happening. Even if they want to get picked, let them get picked. What is it to everyone? This whole thing get blown way out of proportion
I never understood the pick me label and you’ve made it clear why. I couldn’t tell how OTHER people could tell they liked or hated something for the favor of men vs for themselves, outside of the really obvious girls fawning over boys and changing their personalities depending on who they were talking to.
I've seen it be used to refer to any marginalized group that kisses up to their opressers in a way that involves throwing members of their own community under the bus.
Same, I used it exclusively when I see women idolising men to the point where they could do no wrong or be seen as human, but would disrespect women and never believe in their capabilities. Also anyone remember when tradwives used to be part of the tumblr BDSM kink space, now they're pushing other women into their kink when they're on tiktok, wild.
@VVilllejokes on you buddy. My mom literally did get killed in a car accident 4 months ago. Will subscribing to your chitty channel magically friggin resurrect her?
as someone who grew up struggling to relate to other girls and feeling like i was failing at being a woman bc of my more stereotypically masculine interests, i think its really important to acknowledge how isolating it can be to have traits that others would describe as "pick me". and seeing people rally so strongly against "pick me" girls really brings back that feeling of othering. all i wanted as a kid was to fit in with the other girls, and i think the perceived obnoxiousness that people have a problem with is often a coping mechanism for feeling like an outcast
It's hard being a teen who doesn't fit the mold and people forget that a) sometimes those sentiments are coming from real feelings of isolation and frustration and b) we tend to deal with frustration by letting it out on others (targeting the individuals that engage with "girl" culture rather than the wider society that tried to box you in) it takes time to develop understanding and nuance.
I'm glad we're finally talking about this, I'm tired of people pretending to be against misogyny when half the time it just seems like they simply hate GNC women.
I'm really glad you addressed the short thing, because it's baffling to me. I'm 5'1" and my friend's 11-year-old daughter is my height. She roasts me about constantly and it's hilarious, but I've become self-conscious about telling those stories to other people in case it sounds like the exaggerated "omg I'm so small and cute 🥺" that gets labeled "pick-me behavior"
When people first began to criticize the not as other girls trope, I thought we were heading in the right direction where people realized that girls don't need to act a certain way to impress men. Cause in a lot of young adult media geared towards young girls, the main character is seen as special and different from all the other girls because she either defies gender roles or is not promiscuous, unlike the other girls who care about their looks, sleeping around with guys and bullies the main character. When their male love interest tells them "you're not like other girls" it implies that other girls are the problem and that the main character is better than all of them. But the whole trend just went full circle, and now every time a girl acts a certain way, she is suddenly seen as a pick me. Even if it is not for male attention. Sometimes they might want to make friends with no intention of tearing down other girls. Sometimes girls may act quirky because that is who they are. The only time I will ever label a girl a pick me is if she putting down other women for male approval. Even when girls acknowledge how short they are, suddenly everyone screams "Pick me"!
This is so true 😭 Like I was once called a pick me on instagram because I said that I’m a short girl. Which is straight up facts because I am short. (I'm 150cm) So I was just telling the truth. But people just stick the "pick me" label on me.
The problem here is that being different doesn't make you better. The hate for the trope was uncalled for because it was just validating girls who were attacked and shamed for being non traditionally feminine
One thing that irritates me still is that in everything calling out the "pick me" sentiment has a bunch of comments about how "they can tell when it's not genuine" and a many others of women who got called pick me's for existing. Like something isn't adding up. Ppl are too overconfident in their ability to interpret others' intentions.
Is Pearl really that incredibly stupid? Like everything I've seen seems to show that she could very well be incredibly stupid, but are we sure it isn't an act given her apparent success grifting from dumb men?
Not being on instagram and tiktok has been the greatest blessing i ever gave to my mental health. I love listening to all of these niche microcultures that are supposed to ruin my mind as a woman vicariously
I know this whole video is about abandoning the idea of the "Pick Me", but I just need to say it: The Anti-Pick Me is just a meta-level Pick Me. The Pick Me demands that they're not like every other girl, they reject the stereotype to recieve affirmation from the patriarchy. But when every woman is treated like a Pick Me, then the Anti-Pick Me rejects the new stereotype to recieve affirmation from the patriarchy. The best solution to all of this is to abandon our obsession with labels and the social hierarchy and accept that human beings are multi-faceted individuals who are more that just one single thing, and are instead the result of a collection of unique experiences... but something makes me thing we have an uphill battle.
Which translates to "we need to get off the internet, as it works within the very concepts of tags and microcultures, hence reinforcing them", something only scifi writers can dream off.
Dawg I went through a small pick me phase bc I was never socially accepted when I was younger by other girl friend groups at school because I was very socially awkward, but I grew out of it as a grew older and gained more confidence, genuinely though, I’ve always preferred being friends with more guys, almost every girl best friend I’ve had has ended up being a horrid toxic pick me who projected that label onto me for the dumbest reasons, genuinely, my ex girlfriend was the biggest one, she would always say I was grabbing attention by just joking around w my friends and I’m “not feminine enough” (she’d get mad at me for acting too masculine around my guy friends but too feminine around her I don’t even know what the fuck that means I genuinely am pretty androgynous because I don’t care what people think), she would constantly put me down in front of my guy friends and beg for their attention and vie for their approval and only would get anxious or upset if one of my friends got upset w the way she treated me. THAT my friends, is a pick me girl. A girl that puts down other girls she’s friends with to try and lift themselves up in the eyes of a man or another person. Pick me has lost all meaning on the internet but this is what it is. (Thankful that my ex left me and everyone else in my group was also thankful and that really helped me realize I wasn’t the stupid pick me girl she always made me out to be and made me feel like ) anyways yeah hate these mfs and gals are sposed to back each other up not put each other down, cmON ladies
I thought this stuff was purely online until I found out a coworker I thought was my friend was talking behind my back calling me a "pickme" for not shaving my legs and having 'weird/masuline' interests. She was heavily recommending me some witchy type books about feminity and feminine gods and how to learn to love yourself as a woman so ig that shouldve been my red flag. Feeling more comfortable not shaving and liking paleontology/video games means I hate women and myself apparently.
This is shitty behavior in general obviously but one of her reasons being that you don’t shave your legs is WILD cuz that doesn’t even align with the male gaze 😭
Yeah, there are a lot of neopagans that preach gender essentialism. It drives me mad. Every time I try to learn more about paganism I'm met with repackaged misogyny and transphobia.
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Your comment about no one being born a feminist stood out to me. I believe a lot of people indirectly assume that women are born with this innate desire to want to view everyone equally. But I would say that human nature, and our brain's desire to seek out patterns, will innately lead us to the opposite. This categorization of people is more tempting to individuals like teens and sheltered people who have never been disadvantaged in a meaningful way, because it aligns so closely with how you perceive the world before being challenged. We'll all be a little less angry when we acknowledge that the journey to feminist ideals is not uniform and not something we're born with. And it's not something that people who have never encountered the issues of misogyny will want to accept initially because it doesn't fit what's made sense to them all their life. But it doesn't mean they can't with a little patience.
I usually don't like this kind of content but I've noticed this as an issue too.. on the nlog subreddit a really big rule was that they only considered women who put other women down to be nlog, but a couple months back a lot of top posts were literally just women who were sharing unconventional interests. a lot of people seriously misuse the term 'pick me' and 'nlog' and it is honestly just misogyny in its modern form. nice video, leaving my comment for the algorithm 👍
I think the meaning of a pick me got so distorted because there are dangerous male obsessed women that will damage other woman when they’re obsessed with a man and see someone as a threat to that obsession. But now it’s just turned into some way to shame women for their hobbies and interests which is something we’ve dealt with since the dawn of time.
I'm also 5'2", making me an inch taller than my mother, and like 4 or 5 inches taller than HER mother, so I've internalized an image of myself as this hulking giant, towering over other women. It's always such a shock when someone comments on how "short" I am. Tall, short, average... it's all so subjective!
Just in general, names, size, body type, lowkey skin color, there are just so many things you cannot change included in these definitions. Not that putting people down for what they like or chose to do is much better.
In Polish almost every female name ends with an A. We also have a big bunch of names that start with A. All in all, we have a limited number of names so it is hilarious to think that some rando perceives the majority of Polish women to be pick me due to our rigid naming traditions, lol.
In Pride and Prejudice, Caroline Bingley literally accuses Lizzie Bennet of being a pick-me. ‘Eliza Bennet,' said Miss Bingley, when the door was closed on her, 'is one of those young ladies who seek to recommend themselves to the other sex by undervaluing their own; and with many men, I dare say, it succeeds. But, in my opinion, it is a paltry device, a very mean art.'
Great point. I think looking to literature for examples of performative gender and performative gender criticism is very useful, because helps prove this is neither new nor particularly difficult to get our head around. Lizzie does have negative thoughts about women in general (and is not the only Austen character to do so, although they do not exempt themselves from the general criticism), but the criticism of her by Caroline is targeted. Caroline feels the need to do this because she knows Darcy is more into Elizabeth than her and she dislikes her family and is a big jerk and she's trying to discredit Elizabeth in the eyes of Darcy but also (as a backup) win back her sense of superiority. The whole scene perfectly encapsulates everything that can go into these exchanges and why people do it. It's all about our internal sense of validity and superiority, which is (in women's lives) so often judged by how successful they are with men. This is especially the case when women's lives hinge on their relationship to men, as they do in Jane Austen's universe. Caroline, although she has no reason to worry about money or her future given her immensely wealthy and loving brother, is nevertheless growing older without having yet successfully secured someone who she feels is worthy of her station in life and thus completed the thing women are expected to do in order to achieve true success and transition to the superior state of "married woman" which holds more power and validity than the "unmarried woman" in her society.
Yeah, it’s almost like this has been happening since the dawn of humanity. Well maybe not the DAWN of humanity but at least once we started getting comfortable and needed to come up with reasons to hate each other.
It's annoying how the "anti-pick me girl" Trend doesn't understand what's wrong with the "I'm not like the other girls" phrase and can't possibly fathom that there are a lot of different women so you literally can't be like all the others or unlike all the others.
I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS. I have been a feminist since I was young and when this phrase became popular "I'm just like the other girls" I kept wondering what it meant. Girls are all beautiful in their own ways and to group them all as one fails to see us once again as human beings and individuals. We are our own people. I learned this was in response to men hating on "stereotypical women" which is hard to imagine on it's own because there is no stereotypical woman. This phrase felt like it was playing into whatever the hell men believed about us.
"I'm an ANTI pick me girl" oh. So you're. Not like those women? You're not like the other women? You specifically a want praise and attention for being not like those other women, who are bad? Hmmm if only there was a phrase for that-
I’m glad it’s getting talked about as someone who grew up with the “not like other girls “ trope being big in books and then irl being annoying, but also felt uncomfortable how a lot of “girl power” /pop feminism response put down girls who actually don’t like makeup or feminists who would challenge actually possibly sexist standards. Especially neurodivergent women/girls or those who just aren’t always on trend
i’ve had two very short friends in my life. one was a pick me and the other wasn’t. the thing was, when friend a.) would get called short, she’d say how big us girls were, how she wasn’t like us at all (she was the same height as a lot of my classmates at the time), how no one liked her cause she was short (she was the most popular). my friend b.) joked about her being short, others joked about it, she made jokes about me being tall, but it was never to make a guy/someone like her more. it wasn’t putting me down to make herself better. we both laughed and agreed it was funny. i guess that’s the point. a pick me girl is making fun of you, or trying to make you look bad in sport of making herself look better. i just don’t really understand why it’s a ‘girl’ thing, when i see soooo many guys insult their friends to make them look cooler.
I used to like watching the pick me parody videos but now it has become so as you said 'Ubiquitous' and meaning has started getting very ambiguous. This video definitely helped me understand that the content is definitely creating more misogyny.
Haha, I've never thought that I would get called a pick-me for my love of ceramics. I took a required art class in high school and fell in love with sculpting. The things we're not supposed to like are so random
People who have nooooo hobbies because they can't get into anything get so mad when they see people being happy fr. Unless it's someone they can date and latch on to and then it's all "I love people who share their hobbies and passions with me!" like ok that's all good and well but where are yours
@bingonight1504 I mean, that's how I am with music. I don't have huge selection of songs that are "mine." But I love it when people share what they love with me. Those songs become very precious to me. I don't see how that's a bad thing?
Finally, someone's adressing this👏👏 literally labelling any normal behavior or preference of a women as pick me. The worst thing is it's women nitpicking on other women a lot of times😔
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the pick me label has lost all meaning, now we have grown ass women making fun of teenage girls for saying they like video games and don't like makeup
They can’t be the change they want.
You couldn't have said it better. I can't deal with criticism anymore. Even if valid in some cases, I'm just sick of it. Let's just all live.
Yeah, that's too bad.
It's trying to mold all women now into a 1950's trad wife. If you're not that then you're a "pick me".
Some women are better with a drill than they are with an oven. Some women make great plumbers ..
And yeah, some women play video games really well.
It's not done to impress a man. And that's what ultimately separates a pick me from a normal person. Are you doing what you're doing because you like it?
@@awe_possumcriticism won't stop and in all honesty it shouldn't. idk man just accept that you'll have to deal with it.
and it didn't lost meaning, it is just being massively misused. this isn't the same. people will always find a way to shame women who do not fit the norms and expectations of femininity as long as you guys keep believing in and reinforcing gender essentialism.
Actual rage at the girl who called asking taller people to get things from high shelves pick me behaviour. What do you want me to do? Fly?
I got called a pick me for climbing to get something instead of asking for help. No winning
omg don't even get me started on short tiny girl envy, I had that when I was younger and the psychosis runs DEEP
I remember when "Shake It Up" made a whole episode about Zendaya being tall and Bella Thorne being a lot shorter, and for some reason one part that I thought about was the overacted rage of her having to give people stuff from higher shelves. The only obvious way to fix it, is to hold people up when they need something 😂.
Fr, specially because architectures use the average male height as the standard, so shelves being too high is actually structural sexism.
@@homosapien7316 i prefer to climb than to ask too and i get called a pick me and a try hard and blah blah blah. there literally is no winning
Things I have been called a Pick Me for:
• Having more guy friends than girl friends at some points in my life
• Wearing skirts every day (I just like how they feel more than pants)
• Needing to ask for help getting something from a cabinet that I genuinely could not have gotten on my own
• Telling my friend that her boyfriend (who had cheated on her multiple times) was toxic and that she should dump him
• Admitting that I struggle in a lot of social situations because I feel like I’m just painfully awkward and like I don’t fit in with most people and no one wants me around. This one hurt the worst because I was telling her something that is very personal to me and she called me a pick me girl and told me I’m not as quirky as I think I am…
All of this to say that the label has clearly lost all meaning. You can be called a pick me for polar opposite reasons now (too feminine or too masculine, too “quirky” or too basic, etc.)
that last one hit hard, you aren’t trying to be “quirky” you’re just struggling :(
If anything, that friend who used your vulnerabilities to hurt you showed their true colours. I'm so sorry for this, bc I too deal with the same struggles especially (I grew up with this in my family too). You're not alone, and I hope for you to find a kinder kin soon🖤
Rooting for you.
I would've told her (the girl who said the last one) shes an insensitive monster and the reason people don't like her is probably cause shes this insufferable. Lacking emotional intelligence at her big age is CRAZY too. You aren't alone girl.
According to the second thing, almost every guy in Scotland in the past is a pick me girl
This is literally just the same thing that happened with the term "Simp." It's like people learn a new word and try to shove it into every sentence they can.
and 90% of the time its a word black people have been using for years and then white people specifically take it and over use it and then complain about it being overused. like remember bae?
You're right, I've seen a video of a guy just saying he loves his girlfriend and wants to take her out for birthday and she apologized for making him feel like he had to
He got called a simp and she got called a pick me
I was WTF?!?!
Yeah I remember when any man who didn't vehemently hate women was called a "simp"... Dark times...
I mean you can even go further than that, 10 years ago if someone called someone else a Nazi, I would think "oh I should avoid that person" now I think "are they actually a Nazi or did they disagree with you on a political topic so now you're vilifying them?"
@@thekicker2517 Same with Communist, Socialist, and Marxist. : (
woman: exists
someone, always: oh, you think you're special
this
Woman: has confidence
Society: what a bitch
far too many ppl: “OMG! Everyone _exists!_ Not just YOU! You’re not _special!”_
me: **slowly backs away**
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I notice this comes up with the kardashians a lot it’s a paradox I notice in a lot of my otherwise ‘feminist’ friends. ‘Kim kardashians sets dangerous beauty standards she should be held responsible for the way her appearance affects people and triggers dysmorphia, EDs, low self esteem…’ but like, what? So you’re saying Kim k needs to either cater her appearance to your preference or you’re saying she should be punished for the way her appearance makes you feel? Or she shouldn’t be allowed to leave the house? Feminism should never involve controlling the way other women look or what they do with their own bodies though
@dollinterrupted thank you. The kardashian discourse is rooted in misogyny although there valid points. Also love ur username I'm getting tattooed 🤪.
@@dollinterrupted I had a roommate who starved herself because I weighed less than her.. some women can't exist around other women apparently.
Did she also say why? Or is it just a blank statement without any reason behind it outside of - because?
@@lenaramoon4617 I suspect the issue ran deeper than jealousy over your weight. Eating disorders just don't work like that.
I got called a pick me for saying that I suck at cooking and don't like to cook either. What do you want me to do? Pretend that I'm a chef with my microwaved butter pasta??
lol what that doesn't even make sense
@@amsyjo You can just breathe and someone can call you a "pick me" nowaday
Fun tip for microwaved butter pasta, if it's just butter and salt on it, add some parmesan cheese after microwaving. (Assuming you don't already do that)
Definitely unfortunate that you got criticized for being genuine though.
I'm a gay woman who has been called a "pick me" because I'm super into guitar gear, but when I try to talk to my girlfriend about guitar pedals she has no interest. Be yourself and like whatever you like.... And don't make your girlfriends listen to boring CZcams videos about guitars.
As Chappel Roan once said: "You should break up!"
If your partner acts bored around the things youre really interested in.
She might not like it, but least she should lisent & pay attention to it.
Do that with my little brother when he talks about WWE , or my parents when I overdump about musicals.
@@barbicel No, I'm not going to dump my wonderful kind girlfriend just because she isn't interested in guitar gear.
@@barbicelI feel like this is only applicable when it's with EVERY interest
I love how the internet overwhelmingly tells people to break up with their SO for…literally anything. Good for you for making clear how ridiculous that is.
If you think your SO has to like EVERYTHING you like, something is wrong. Guitar gear is one of those hobbies that is really interesting to the people who like it and incomprehensible to those who aren’t into it. My wife can relate to your girlfriend.
Solid advice here👍
the straightness of it all isn't lost on me. the concept both ways is that, regardless of the behavior/interests, women's behavior is assumed to be to attract men. Women can't even have personalities without it being assumed for men.
exactly!!! the assumption of heterosexuality absolutely oozes from every single one of these videos. the one that ripped on bisexual women just said the quiet part out loud
THIS. I just watched a video on "Hawk Tuah" girl (writing that hurts) and this one weirdo tiktoker was like "we love this girl because she has a personality unlike all you half dressed bitches!! it's all about making us laugh!!" yet she's constantly harassed to start an Only Fans and has even been approached by Playboy. It's so defeating.
I'm genuinely concerned that eventually just being a heterosexual woman will be considered "pick-me-girl."
LITERALLY UGHHH
gonna say, Queer women get completely forgotten about in the D I S C O U R S E . Just because you're not overly feminine does not autolatically make you gay/queer obviously but people forget maybe some girls really ARE just tomboys and really DO just relate to/prefer male freinds and it's not a performance.
*masculine woman* “EWWWW PICK ME XD”
*feminine woman* “EWWWW PICK ME XD”
it literally feels like we’re just making an excuse to hate on ANY type of woman
Sistemico sexismo. Muchas personas están miedo de chicas inteligentes jajaja
It's a rigged game. I'm at the point where I do whatever the hell I want, people will complain no matter what.
Wow it's almost like women are responsible for bullying and ostracizing other women 😳 I've talked about this very thing for a long time and ironically I got called a pick me for bringing attention to female bullying and what it looks like.
Wow it's almost like ♀️ are responsible for bullying and ostracizing other ♀️ 😳 I've talked about this very thing for a long time and ironically I got called a pick me for bringing attention to female bullying and what it looks like.
Yep that's pretty much it.
Saddest is my friendo trying to empathize with how patriarchy also affects men and she had to follow with "I don't mean to be a pickme, sorry".
Saying "friendo" honestly time to shut up permanantly
@@Younghoulhead Not sure what’s going on in your life but take a deep breath… it’s not that deep.
You sound like anton chigurh when you say "friendo"😂
Honestly this fucking annoyed me so much. So like a few years back their were two women (can't remember the names, will look it up and add in the edit) one was a lesbian who pretended to be a man for a little bit just to see how it goes and the other talked to men's rights groups, both came to the conclusion that being a guy is generally pretty mentally taxing and not having the privilege of governmental support systems and NGOs that women have access to is horrible and miserable. They were vilified, called "pick me"s, misogynists etc. just for talking about issues that men face.
Edit: first woman is Norah Vincent, she wrote a book called self made man. Second one was Cassie Jaye, she made a documentary called "The Red Pill".
😢😢😢😢 so sad
Womp womp😂😂😂
Same with "Karen" spiraling into just shaming any woman above 35.
Oh, you don't even have to be over 35 to be called a Karen. Basically any women of any age that expresses a strong opinion or stands up for herself is called a Karen nowadays. It's basically just become another way to tell a woman to 'know your place'.
"Karen" isn't gender or age specific anymore. "Karen" now just means anyone who is _beyond_ entitled.
The reason this stereotype originates from entitled middle aged white women in America is because they're the most privileged and pampered, hence entitled, group of people in recorded history...on average. 🙂👍
@@katiem.3109no that's not a karen
100%, Karen is just a misogynistic slur used primarily by men (but pick-mes as well - in this case actual pick-mes) to say "STFU woman". I work in customer service. Male customers are definitely more entitled but there is only a gender specific slur for bad female customers? Misogynists just keep finding new ways to perform & use misogyny.
@@EstherBuiuuu No it's not. You are still being called a Karen.
I think the biggest problem with both versions of the "pick me girl" is that they both assume there is a normal version of girl. That there is this default and correct way for a woman to be and when she does not act in the correct way, she is a pick me. When in reality all women are their own individuals.
Exactly! A LOT of misogyny comes from narrowing women down to a stereotype and this helps misogyny by doing that.
@@sistermadrigalmorning233 a lot of "misogyny" from men comes from looking around and not liking what they see.
However men dont call women pick me. Women are competitive and will do as much as they can to destroy other women to gain higher social status as social status is women's most coveted desire. Women will call other women a pick me to attempt to degrade others.
That is the BEST way to put it. There's no perfect mold, we're all unique and different. Being like other women is wonderful. Women are beautiful, strong, powerful, and will listen to your deepest confessions in the girl's bathroom while helping you reglue your eyelash and safety-pinning your broken strap to your dress. When I was super young and had only just gotten my cycle a month or so before, I went to the mall with a friend and got my period there. I realized I didn't have pads and the box in the bathroom was empty. So 10-yr-old me announced to a crowded bathroom: "Does anyone have a pad? I can't wear tampons." Immediately, every woman in there started looking in their purses, and about three girls found some and brought them to me at the same time. I ended playing "eenie meanie minee mo" to pick because I didn't want to make any of the girls feel bad, and had the whole bathroom giggling. I chose one, and crisis averted. My point is, if THAT'S what other women are like, then I am absolutely like girls.
So truueee
@winniethepooht5776 not all women are like that. you just refuted your point that "we're all individuals".
I'm tired of people saying that "male interests" or "masculine personality traits" are seen as something that women should avoid.
Should any of this even be labeled?
Yes and male features too
I know right, we really went backwards in terms of having rigid ideas about gender expression. Not that I wanna go back to 10 years ago in which women who liked to dress feminine could be criticized as "dressing for male validation," but the same claim seems to be happening for the opposite type of expression. I do think that it's actually more likely to be the case that if someone dresses "not stereotypically feminine" they're more likely to be doing that for their own self interest, rather than the other way around. But, people should just be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want.
@@Olivetree80 I agree. I'm non-binary (she/they) and enjoy many "male" interests like DIY electronics, electronic music production, computer programming, video games, etc. Not because I want attention, but because I think tech is cool.
And I don't get along that well with average women because I don't get along with the hyper-social nature of most of those groups. I'm on the spectrum so there's that too.
It's sad that even as a trans person (born male), I was pressured into femininity and expected to trade one box for another. And many of my gal pals would bring me down for my introversion and deeper interest in tech. I would love to have friends who could nerd out instead of expecting me to process complex social signals.
Also, on a semi-related note, I don't like that a lack of makeup is sometimes seen as a sign of depression.
No because the point was to slow people be who they are! Hyper feminine, girls into male interests , girls into make up , girls not into make up are allowed to exist with out degrading each other! That was the point! Let people do what they are interested with out it being a negative. Labels are just to explain the basic external vocabulary of something. It’s not the rule to negatively shame them! That’s it!
Anyone who I am envious of = pickme
Anyone whose existence triggers the preexisting deep seated self hatred I carry inside but am not emotionally mature enough to address = pickme
Spot on
as a butch queer woman, with more "masculine" interests, i have been saying - for AGES now - that the "pick me" term has been getting used to perpetuate hatred against gender non-conforming women, by gender conforming women.
and sometimes, even when these gender conforming women don't hate us (gnc women) aloud - they do at least subconsciously exclude us. because if your definition of being "exactly like other girls" is essentially "being as stereotypically feminine as possible" - does that mean you either don't think gnc girls ARE ALSO girls, or you just don't acknowledge their existences in your mind to begin with?
that's not true though. I'm the epitome of gender conforming: I'm a housewife and mom with long hair, makeup, high heels and flowy dresses every day. I love gardening and cooking/baking. Guess what I was called a lot at university?
sorry I didn't mean your experience isn't true, I just meant that the "pick me" term is not just used to exclude non-conforming women, it's used to exclude the hyperfeminine as well. Everything that deviates from the norm even slightly.
I think you'll find the opposite happens. A lot. Do research. Hell, asks other gender confirning individuals in the street what they think a "pick-me" girl is. I guarantee you won't because that somehow makes you feel threatened just being in their presence, but also I guarantee you won't because you know that even gender conforming people will debunk your POV on a ratio that is embarrassing to admit.
I don't think this comment said anything to indicate that it's Only used against GNC women. This woman is just lamenting her own experience with it.
I don't quite identify as butch but I'm also GNC and also experience this tension with other women sometimes. It's feels like in order to show that you're one of the girls you have to perform femininity in a specific way. There's this attempt at women showing solidarity with and relating to each other by talking about 'girlhood' and 'womanhood' as if it's this homogenous experience. In many ways I do experience positives from this, but it can also alienate people who don't feel they fit in.
The "pick me" thing absolutely gets used to target women who aren't feminine enough. The whole thing about being a woman friends with men = "pick me." The assumption that a disinterest in certain hobbies many women enjoy = a judgment of them, misogyny.
I know feminine women experience it as well, but that's not what this comment is about.
@@wolfsmaid6815
And also, men are also often nasty to GNC women. It's not like it's saving us from misogyny from either side.
This is unrelated but I’m a short guy (5’4) and people looovvvve trying to make me feel bad about it and just bring it up Constantly. So instead of hating myself, I embrace it now. I’ll call myself a “little guy” “short dude” “small man” and it weirdly makes people so uncomfortable. Even my little brother that’s taller me (my little big brother) says it makes him feel uncomfortable because I’m not supposed to like being a short small dude. I think people just hate people being okay with themselves for something they “shouldn’t” be and it’s just turned up to 100000% when it comes to women just being themselves because of misogyny
Exactly! I think it probably stems from more of a bullying standpoint, and when someone can’t use something to hurt you anymore, they get frustrated because it was never about the height, it was about making you FEEL small.
Little guy ND small man r so cute actually
Lil gent
me too! I'm also like, a 164cm tall guy, and while it still does make me dysphoric, I am starting to embrace it - especially because I also like being cute, though that may not apply to everyone xD
Love that for you ❤!!! Keep making them uncomfortable 😂
When a full-on man called me a pick me for openly talking/joking around, i knew this term had been completely bastardized
How dare you exist and interact in a social situation. (Sarcasm)
That's so annoying. I hope you told him to piss off. Continue being the hilarious queen I'm sure you are.
There is no winning. If you’re quiet and shy you’re a pick me trying too hard to be cute. If you’re loud and talkative you’re a pick me and attention seeker. If you exist as a girl you’re a pick me because whatever you do that attracts attention is pick me behavior
What was the joke
Had a similar interaction a couple of years back. A guy in my school (who really liked make-up) asked me what make-up I wore. I said I didn't wear much make-up because I didn't enjoy how it felt, and he told me I was a pick me.. Apparently, answering a question honestly means you're seeking male validation...
i think the subway girl joke landed for me when she talked about men making her into a muse, i interpreted the joke as being about how men don’t want an equal partner or someone they think could outshine them. they actually want someone they perceive as a blank slate to project their ideals onto
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Does false accusations of SA happen? Yes, they do.
But my guy, if you’re in a friend group where all your friends have been “falsely” accused OVER 11 TIMES EACH…I’m sorry, but we have the “they actually did it, but no one believed the victims” option, and the “everyone of these women are all lying and doing so because of…reasons.” And if we’re talking over 11 different women for each friend…I’m sorry, but the former seems much more believable than the latter.
EXACTLY thank you. she is most likely making it all up though.
@@feltfrog oh definitely. Like either that, or she is actually delusional.
Yeah at one point it stops being a coincidence
I got called a "pick-me" after saying that I don't believe in astrology but am very into astronomy. The woman went on to argue that I could only have an interest in science to impress men. I was literally working on a book about planetary habitability.
Wow that's insane 😮
I hate hate hate the current trend of astrology=feminine and good and if you disagree you're a misogynist.
that’s absolutely awful yet at the same time very very funny in a weird warped way
Same energy with me reading about art and some girl randomly asked who is the boy i am trying to impress...
Ma'am can't women have interests???????
How's the progress on your book?
thank you for bringing up intersectionality during the tall girl part taylor swift is taller than megan thee stallion yet only one of them is consistently being called a man
Excellent point
Which is utterly ridiculous because Megan thee Stallion is extremely stunning, every time I see her I’m just like damn lol
there's also misogynoir in that case :-/
Some of that is white privilege, and some is skinny privilege. Taylor's a bit of a waif, despite her height. Tall women are viewed as more acceptable by society if they're very thin. Those of us tall women who have curves or muscle, are not given that leeway.
Meg has the most feminine body ever! Anyone calling her a man is straight up jealous 👏
I will not label women for meeting or not meeting female gender stereotypes. I will also not label men for meeting or not meeting male stereotypes. I wish we could move on from labels in general.
I don't think labels are the problem. Labels is how we organize concepts in our heads and make it less chaotic. I think the issue is the lack of empathy for each other and the lack of empathy is a consequence of our miserable lives where all we want is someone to blame for it.
pick me/nlog ended up just meaning "d*ke" lets be real
and i think a big part of the resentment a traditionally feminine woman might have towards a woman who doesn't particularly fit those roles comes from a feeling of being cheated. like, "I had the option to not do all this? to not worry so much about maintaining a state of hyperfemininity? that was an option? does she think she's better than me to reject his uniform, as if she's stronger than me?" I know this because for the brief periods of my younger life when I was traditionally feminine I had a taste of those feelings, even though ultimately I've returned to enjoying non conformity.
Basically, it can be confusing and feel like the rug is being pulled from under you to learn that what you thought it meant to be a woman was a lie, it wasn't material aesthetic or submissiveness, etc. Confusion and sudden new, contradictory information can breed very powerful anger.
gosh I wish this hellsite had a feature to hide comments from people who've not watched the whole video
if only 😭😭
The comment section would be empty. Though, now that you say it, that does sound nice
@@anjetto1 the comment section would be empty for at least 45 min after upload ;)
(I'm not through the video yet. just hate all "first" and "babe wake up" and "when I see [channel name i click" noise)
As I write this the video came out 46 minutes ago and is 46 minutes long, so any comment older than 10 seconds ago is automatically invalid... unless they used 2x speed.
@@RoamingAdhocrat oh. I hate people who comment about a subject that gets talked about later. Lol
I once shared in an online forum that I was often lonely as a kid because I was a quiet, nerdy bookworm who didn’t share many of the same interests with my peers. Some of the other commenters immediately called me toxic and a “not-like-other-girls girl.” I was like “Ma’am I was seven.”
I often feel like the people who take the most joy out of dunking on "not like other girls" girls aren't feminists but high school bullies delighted to have a socially acceptable excuse to continue hating on nerds and weird kids
Are you me?🤧
@@NewtieTimesSix Fing this a thousand times this
What the..., that's really messed up! in my honest opinion there's no 'like other girls' or 'like other boys', everyone is unique and different in a way even twins.
I was also like this, as my mom always said it was like I am living in my own world to the point she was afraid I have autism 😅
Anyone expecting girls to have the same personality should get themselves checked, we aren't clones, we have different lives and experiences, having the same interests doesn't make you the same, so 'like other girls' is bullshit which mean this pick me trend is also bullshit.
We would have been friends, i would find the quite ones that read and befriended them by asking about their book
As a neurodivergent woman, I always felt guilty when my lack of interest and knowledge in “feminine” hobbies like make up, nails, celeb/pop culture, dating (or dating boys, because not being straight actually played a role in this) etc were signs of someone being a pick me girl.
It was especially hard before getting my diagnosis because I didn’t understand why my interests, were not the same as my neurotypical girl friends and I felt (still feel) incredibly excluded by my friend groups because I can’t even say I’m not interested in make up or other “femenine” activities because I’m scared of being labeled as a Pick-Me.
my best friend called me pick me for not wanting to tan (it’s like a fcking ritual where i’m from) and for calling out the ridiculous “need” for tanning in the summer otherwise you’re not attractive. arguably i’m in more of an alternative scene while’s she’s with the normies which is obviously totally fine, who cares, we’re all people with our own interests, but when i was like “when did i ever put women down? y’all can tan all u want, just don’t call me ugly for not wanting to do it myself” she said that’s not what a pick me is and that i’m trying to be different. suddenly you HAVE to be like other girls, otherwise you’re trying too hard at being cool and that’s cringe. it really has come full circle, and i honestly don’t know how to talk abt it to her cuz i will just be labeled as a pick me for idk bringing up the subject??
That sucks. Sometimes when I don't know how to bring things up like that, I go about asking the other person questions about how they view it; I think it helps (obviously done in a nice way, but I'm sure you will since she's your friend) to get into a discussion about opposing views without causing anyone to feel attacked (hopefully). So, if it were me, I might ask something (in a friendly tone, of course) like: what scenario might exist where someone doesn't want to do whatever thing (in this case tan) and NOT be a pick-me. Or, since you're friends, you could just ask if she would really classify you as a pick-me; does she think that's how you are (probably not or she probably wouldn't be friends with you, since she seems to have some disdain for the pick-mes), and if not, then can't she trust that you just truly don't want to tan or do whatever else? I don't know. That would just be my approach. :S Good luck with your friend. I'm sure she cares about your feelings, so you can always just straight up say, "I don't want to sound bad for bringing this up, but it kind of bothered me" blah blah. Okay, sorry for typing so much.
Blend in and be part of the group? Basic.
Stand out and be an individual? Pick-Me.
Sorry, Sweaty, thems the breaks 💅
Pick me Melanoma, choose me
your friend ironically is acting more like a pick me by criticising you for not wanting a tan lol
You deserve better friends...
Nothing made me reflect on my internalised misogyny more than having a daughter. She wanted to buy a sparkly pair of "frozen" shoes, and every fibre of my being wanted her to pick something else. I had to stop and think, when my son was the same age i bought him some lightning mcqueen shoes with no issue. It wasn't the branding that i had an issue with. I just didn't want my little girl to overtly enjoy the thing that thousands of other little girls enjoy.
All i really want is for her to be happy and love the things she loves, whatever they may be.
Shiny shoes are wonderful…especially if they light up!
@@ruthspanos2532 and or have wheels~! man those were certainly.. _some_ days.
i wonder how many kids went to the hospital because of those things for them to just disappear all of the sudden
(edit: for the shoes to disappear not the kids!)
Really cool that you caught your own double standard. You're doing a great job
You could you say you had to.....
LET IT GO ;)
i love that you were able to self reflect and make a change for her sake! makes me so happy to hear that :)
I remember in high school, as a girl, I would sometimes talk to my friends about some video games I liked at the moment, because I like talking about my current obsessions. I thought it was okay with my friends until one day one of my friends said "omgg I'm not like other girls I like video games and animes". She was mocking me and calling me a pick me and that shut me up so fast I didn't know how to respond to that. And that's what I've been thinking. It's actually so misogynistic to assume that me talking about my obsessions is just because I want to be different/want male validation. I enjoyed dressing up, doing my hair, putting gloss on, shopping, getting lil drinkies. Like she knew that about me, but still called me a pick me just because I was infodumping on games, that's bullshit.
I'm proud to be a woman but I wish I was perceived as a person instead. Liking "feminine" things is shamed, liking "masculine" things is shamed. Omg I just want to exist
Mocking girls for being "different" is just being mean and misogynistic, it's awful that it's become a trend :( I hope you've found a better community now!
@candlecord yes! Thank you :)) my boyfriend at the moment loves to hear me yap and I love when he does the same! I'm still friends with the person who mocked me because they grew as a person, as I did too. Tbh I think she probably saw those videos of pick me girls a lot on her fyp and didn't quite understand what it was. Thanks for your comment, have a nice week ^^
@@victoriafraga2222 Aw that's so nice to hear that you have someone to yap to, and that your friend has grown out of that mentality! I will admit I also fell victim to it when I was younger, but we grow and we learn :) you have a wonderful week too, cheers!! ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for saying this. It's not quite the same experience for me, but I remember when another girl told me anime is for guys just because Im a girl who likes anime. I was also once told that I'm not feminine just because I like anime and video games even though I very much love to dress up and wear cute clothes. It's so frustrating because you just can't do anything without having some sort of label attached you. It's like people think women can only have hobbies that are just shopping and makeup and if we deviate for that even for a bit, suddenly we are a "pick me"or "unfeminine" I feel like this whole pick me trend has devolved in such a way to just further alienate women against eachother. Anyways thats all, sorry for the long rant, I just wanna say I agree w u a lot, also love your Jojo pfp
Man I don't know what's up with that friend I would absolutely love someone info-dumping about video games with me.
It's pretty sad that your friend reacted like that.
But cool that she grew and learnt from that.
I was today years old when I learned Tara was not 5 feet 10 inches (177.8cm) like I thought she was. She just always gave off tall queen energy. I'm mistaken. Still a queen and still love your content
I feel this! I’m a very tall woman with a high pitched voice. People don’t know how to respond to that. People think I’m putting on an act with my voice for attention. And men would feel uncomfortable at the idea of me being taller than them, to the point where I stopped wearing high heels to avoid being even taller.
So growing up, I always felt like I took up too much space and that I’d be annoying people if I talked to them. I felt like I wasn’t feminine enough because all the other girls I knew were shorter and I was bullied for it. And when a shorter woman had a higher voice, people saw them as cute.
However, as an adult, I’ve learned two different things.
The first is if my mom heard someone else say the things I say about myself, she’d be ready to rip out that person’s uvula. So why talk about myself in that way? If your mom isn’t that great, then imagine someone who would be furious if someone disrespected you. And if I said those things to someone else, it’d be so disrespectful.
The second is that I’m a freaking adult now and that it’s my responsibility to support myself… so FUCK ‘EM! Nobody else can determine how I feel except for me, so if someone else judges me for me being me, FUCK ‘EM! It’s a great phrase that I use frequently… especially since I’m an adult and have more important things to focus on.
So all of the ladies in the crowd, say it with me… FUCK ‘EM!!!!!!’
One thing I don't think you mentioned (unless I dissociated during that bit 😭) is that the discourse around pick-mes is very heterosexual-centric. Not that lesbians can't have internalized misogyny or try to ingratiate themselves to men for non-romantic/sexual reasons, but the assumption is always that the presumed pickme behavior is for the purpose of attracting a man as a mate.
The funny thing is, I see this used against bi/pan/queer women in queer spaces too, as "straight girl behaviour." Even among lesbians, there's sometimes this idea that women are responsible for constantly monitoring ourselves to see if a man could sexualize our behaviour, and carefully abstain from any behaviour that could be perceived as being "for men".
As a lesbian, this is something I wish would be brought up more in the discussions on pick me as a sexist insult. Because I feel like we're going to be labelled as a pick me really fast no matter how we're presenting ourselves. The masc lesbians are going to be accused of trying to be one of the boys for approval while the more femmes are going to be accused of seeking male approval through adhering to gender roles.
I've been accused of being a pick me and it's always just awkward when I point out to people that I'm a lesbian. Because there's inevitably some sort of double-think these people bring up on why it still a valid insult to throw.
It's also worth noting that, even if a girl/woman is doing something to attract a guy, there's not really anything wrong with that. The issue has always stemmed from tearing down other women or denying her own humanity to make herself more noticeable or desirable.
Another thing people forget to consider...some girls really do relate to and prefer to be friends with guys. I had to go to an all girls school for high school and one thing I was forever kinda disappointed about was there were no guys to be friends with. It's not that I wasn't friends with girls beforehand,it sucked I didn't really share interests with anyone, I found it hard to relate (granted this is was also mostly because I had confined myself to one group of peers within the school but it still felt weird to be fenced off from like, an entire gender, 50% of all people) trying to beat the tomboy out of girls is a rite of passage it seems.
@@takingaghostdump2026 even when heterosexuality is out of the question, masc woman are still given side-eye (even from queer women!) because it's assumed to be a performance, an ex once told me I "had a fascination with masculinity" which...didn't really ring true. Sure there were times I'd indulge in buying some "MAN-PRODUCT" with a little ironic glee (like I was sneaking into the "no girls allowed" club house...tee hee!) but otherwise no, this is really just my natural state and not something I really think about all that much (except trying to decide what outfit I'm going to wear at any given time so that's one thing I have in common with the "girlies")
@@91Vault There must have been other girls who were like you though? Genuinely kind of curious. You can't have been the only one out of hundreds.
I think just letting girls and women exist without assuming there is an underlying thing going on is the solution
100%. Our obsession with therapising others, especially women, manifests in new methods of policing their behaviour. Besides the whole pick-me thing, I noticed similarities with the whole Oxford study ordeal, where every Asian woman dating a white guy is inheretly burdened with internalised racism. The social media rooted infighting needs to stop.
Nah fuck you imma keep hatin
I also think this applies to a lot of men. The borderline between toxic people and masculinity, and confused people who are just trying to exist in a dystopia nightmare, is getting a lot fuzzier. This is worse for women including trans women but not a feminine only thing.
So true. why can't people just..exist?? lmao ppl are so far up in their heads, everyone just needs to chill out
Halfway into this video I was thinking this. Like...I really don't care about all these girls and women on TikTok calling themselves or each other pick me or anti pick me or whatever. I've given up trying to understand what is happening and why.
people are now just using the pick-me label as a way to justify their own jealousy because they feel threatened by other women. this is why you could be called a pick me for literally anything, cause there’s always something to envy. it’s so annoying and the lack of self awareness is screaming
also, notice how all the girls that are called pick-mes are conventionally attractive. i bet if they looked average or just different from beauty standards they wouldn’t get called out so heavily because they wouldn’t be considered as big of a ‘threat’
I got called a pick me when I told another woman that women should be able to enjoy the attention of men no differently than men enjoy the attention of women. I said, "You're right, I am a pick me, I'm hoping another woman will want to befriend me and we'll practice REAL feminism together."
Tara being the first content creator i've ever seen calling out the aave getting mistaken for "tiktok"/"gen z slang" phenonmenon and i am so glad. It's seriously getting annoying where people are outright making fun of certain words/phrases because it's "overused" or considered some "youngster" or "tiktok" slang when most of us have been speaking like this for centuries.
white internet challenge: don't ruin/warp AAVE phrase we just heard. (no successes yet, I'm so sorry)
edit: I think that meme came from youtube channel, but there's a fair chance I'm demonstrating the issue?
If you wouldn't mind could you give me an example of slang/phrases that's been used for centuries that is now popular? I'm not being combative btw I'm just curious English is my second language
@@catsinburg8626 Green fn (originated from nba 2k but then branched out from there fn stands for fuck nigga), rizz (kai cenat popularized it to white audiences but its kinda old still, short or charisma), blud (super old, a term to use for a RELATIVE not just somebody you know), unc (old man, similar to oldhead), jit (to refer to somebody younger than you), Gyatt (literally from Jamaican patois, it just means God), Bomboclatt (jamaican patois, its kinda just a ! in usage, not an ajactive)
Those are only the ones off the top of my head too
@@catsinburg8626that's kind of a tough question, as most of the slang words from 100s of years ago are just normal words now! You can watch the entomology nerd's channel for content explain this kind of thing
But I think the point the original commenter was trying to make this that this phenomenon of aave becoming mainstream and then just being seen as 'youth slang' has been going on for centuries, or at the very least decades, which is absolutely true unfortunately
@@catsinburg8626fine, finna, dip, dap, lit, turn up, bro, sis, cool, salt, shade, slap, crib, funk....
I started hearing 'pick me' as 'pygmy' and i can't stop laughing
They're called "Twi, Twa, or Mbuti," now.
@@darlalathan6143 That's a mouthful. Can I not just pick one?
Furtive Pygmy, so easily forgotten...
@@darlalathan6143Mbuti is NOT a pygmy! Omg
@@vexedlex8230 don’t pick one 😬 ask which group the person belongs too
Kinda annoying that a term used to point out sexist women is now used to be sexist to women again
I was a daddy's girl growing up, while my mom was kinda cold to me. I typically have pick me behavior because of it but it's not a sexual thing, nor an attention thing, it's because I'm actually more comfortable with male affection. I am trying to be more comfortable with women, being vulnerable and open, and have found it so rewarding
the whole ‘pick-me’ storm always makes me dig out that one trusty margaret atwood quote that never fails to bring me to my knees.
‘up on a pedestal or down on your knees, it's all a male fantasy... even pretending you aren't catering to male fantasies is a male fantasy: pretending you're unseen, pretending you have a life of your own, that you can wash your feet and comb your hair unconscious of the ever-present watcher peering through the keyhole, peering through the keyhole in your own head, if nowhere else.
you are a woman with a man inside watching a woman. you are your own voyeur.’
In conclusion, being a woman is tiring 🙃
I love this quote ❤ thanks for adding it
What are you even talking about? I have an actual life with things to do, and simply cannot be bothered to care in the slightest about what every woman in my line of sight is doing.
This is interesting in a twisted way. Is fitting in to one particular “male fantasy” a problem? Even by chance? That’s next level hate..
@@calebh373it’s about living under the patriarchy. The quote is not literal, it is saying that unfortunately everything a woman does is judged by the patriarchy. Of course we are people and we have lives and interests and relationships that have nothing to do with men. But arguably, philosophically, everything a person (all genders) does or is expected to do is a response to (either an acceptance or rejection of) the patriarchy.
Just adding my two cents, as a neurodivergent girl, I genuinely do not feel like other girls but that PAINS me. It's not some personality quirk I picked up to get attention by men (I'm asexual), its my experience in life feeling like I can't belong in any friendship group and desperately wanting to fit in so that I'm not alone.
Same! Although, I’m not even sure what my gender is, I just know I don’t feel it the same way cis girls/women do.
@@nijuurokufirst of all, mafuyu pfp
second of all, same idk what I am 😭
I lost a bunch of weight and cried when I got called a basic white girl. Not because it hurt my feelings. But because for once I was seen as one of the other girls.
Oh my god, as another neurodivergent girl, EXACTLY. Every time I see the phrase "not like other girls" I mentally say to my self "Yeah I'm not like other girls. In fact I'm not like other people." Because living in society makes me feel "othered" every single moment of my life. Just makes me wonder how many of those labelled this way are just NDs.
exactly. pain is the right word :(
I despise how this trend has affected neurodivergent women. A lot of them struggle with friendships, sometimes with female friendships. Instead of reaching out to these women, I’ve seen girls state they don’t trust women who don’t have female friends and won’t even give them a chance (a lot of the time these women barely have friends at all) . Meanwhile, I know a lot of toxic women who have a huge group of female friends and they get to claim the “girls girl” tittle.
I just love all women who are good people at the core. Do whatever you want girly, live your life, be yourself or dont or whatever know just that i love you and i am always supporting you like alll you need in this world is to be a genuinely good person nothing else really matters. I love all of you. None of the specifics, the demographics, the different types of women matter. Just let people live as long as theyre not causing any serious harm. Live and let live. Live and let live. And love lots.
I was recently talking about how even subcultures like hippies and punks can be full of horribly bigoted behavior, and my conclusion reminds me a lot of how I feel about the whole pick me debate:
There is not subculture, fashion style, aesthetic, hobby, interest, or identity that saves you from being a “bad person”. A feminine girly girl can be just as much of a misogynist as a girl with masculine interests who’s “one of the dudes”. But actually unpacking your internalized misogyny is hard, so it’s easier to associate good politics with things that are easy to control (how you dress and act). Especially if you already dress/act that way, so you don’t need to actually change anything about yourself. It’s hard to realize that you do put down other women, and even harder to fix. Instead of going through important self examination, just act like wearing makeup/not wearing makeup makes you a feminist!
This is so well put and important!
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@VVillle Dahling, my Mommy Dearest is a freaking narc I'm NC with. If by some cosmic joke it does happen, _then_ I might subscribe
"Women are being labeled as pick me even when they're not making fun of other women" so exactly like what happened to "not like other girls" which has ended up being used to bash any woman who liked alternative stuff, had any sort of self deprecating humor or stepped out of line in any way? Anything we use to point out internalized misoginy ends up being used against women, it seems.
Honestly any woman-specific insult, even if it's calling out an actually bad phenomenon, ends up devolving into legitimate misogyny. See: Karen, not like other girls, pick me girl, etc.
I saw a girl who said she didn’t like a fucking strawberry dress and she got called a pick-me girl
So, who is labeling these women? Are those mysoginist women, or even mysoginist men?
Generally my understanding of slightly 'alternative' women is that they are respected and loved by many, only sad, envious people would ever dare to criticize them and the criticism would be as unjust as it would be false.
The only real example I have seen in my lifetime has been women that are having trouble empathizing with other women, but not with men.
Basically these women are socially insecure and turn to men (who due to finding them attractive) will give them the honest attention they desire. This basically results in them having a few less boundaries, being more touchy with men and generally being well liked, which causes envy with other, more well adjusted women, who see them as a danger or unfair competition.
The very basic explanation is: Women are complex beings, while men are relatively straightforward. It makes sense for women to slightly adhere more to the less complex sex, as she can predict the (positive) results of her behaviour far better than with the other more complex sex.
Also, it is very hard to find a man that actively 'hates' women. The only men that hate women, are the ones that have had their ego destroyed many times by women and the few that see them as simple playthings and has no respect for them. Both aren't exactly common examples and a tiny minority amongst the population.
@@pinobluevogel6458 truly well-adjusted women do not see other women as competition. If anything, most women with at least some sense of self-security move on if they ever encounter belligerence from another woman for no discernible reason other than simply existing.
Also, misogyny does not manifest itself in simple feelings of hatred - it's moreso in actions and prejudice.
Men and women do not hate on women in similar ways most of the time. When women hate on women, in my experience, it is more as if they are comparing themselves to the other woman and trying to put her down to gain validation for herself. When a MAN hates on a woman, it is typically a product of patriarchy, such as "evalutating" a woman's "worth" with stereotypically female hobbies such as cooking, cleaning, raising kids etc. ans for younger men it all boils down to sex/body count, believing she's"lost her worth" if she's slept with someone etc., aasuming that the female sex by default is over emotional/incompetent/less logical/inferior compared to male rationality/inferior compared to male strength etc. While insecure women do adopt similar methods to put down other women, they typically don't play into the generalising aspect because that would put THEMSELVES in the "inferior" ring, which is precisely what they're trying to AVOID.
I don't exactly register the tone of this comment very well, but stop trying to make it seem like only women hate women. It is true and does exist the other way around, insecure men hate on men and women, insecurewomen hate on men and women, it is not an argument. "Well adjusted" men and women do not bother living for external validation by insulting others like these types. @@pinobluevogel6458
Thinking I spent my whole teenage years beating myself up for having been a pick me, when it was actually a reaction to being excluded and ignored for failing to perform femininity right is... something. I think we should all just accept we were born into the patriarchy, and are just doing our best lol
Literally
I am neurodivergent, and i always found it hard to be friends with neurotipical girls because i don't understand social clues. When i'm at a party i end up talking to a lot of guys just because they are easier for me to understand. However if i say this it sounds like i'm acting like a pick me. I don't hate other girls, But it's also true that i never managed to fit in, and that made me feel bitter for quite some time. I feel like the pick me discourse is silencing autistic woman's struggles and so much more topics that I'd love to hear more about.
as a neurodivergent woman with plenty of female friends(i used to have none and also be bitter about it), yes it can be hard but there are plenty of women who’s friendships don’t consist of just “feminine shit” or talking about men. i have a lot of friends i just play video games with or make weird ass jokes. it’s not always an excuse and there are other women like you, this is kind of the epitome of pick me to be honest 😂😂 even though you’re not meaning for it to be and i understand that. you ARE able to make friends with women i promise and it’s okay to be bitter but at some point you have to help yourself mama ❤❤❤ there are more neurodivergent women than you would think!! 😂😂😂😂
@@smellytoad666 hows what they said " the epitome of pick me" if they werent looking for male validation, just find it easier to talk to men, theyre autistic and thats their experience that just happens
Did you even understand what she (I'm assuming she) meant? It's clear that it was because men are reasonably straight forward with how they act, whereas women aren't typically as easy to understand as a neurodivergent person. It wasn't about interests, it was about social cue.
@@daliam8715 She's not entirely wrong. Men almost never pretend to be friends with you if they don't really like you, that's by and large a female friend thing.
one-on-one I'm more likely to be friends with women but in groups, especially if you don't personally get to hand-select every member of the group, I would strongly prefer to be in more mixed-gender spaces
@@user-xm5ry2ld1j I was on the website instead of the app on my mobile, so it didn't tag the person who I was actually replying to so you probably missed what I said. I agree with that person, but disagree with the person who says that this way of thinking is pick me behaviour.
"They're so low maintenance they dont even need rights" LMAOO this killed me 😂😂😂 😢😢 so accurate
A family member of mine raised her children alone bc the father was an abuser and she is against financial aids for single moms?????
@@van_ol1056
Not sure why they believe welfare and government assistance is a lavish lifestyle
@@van_ol1056 it's "I suffered, so should you" mentality
@@AShreads55 that's the thing, in my country there's financial aids for single moms and people who haven't worked for a while get a very cheap apartment paid plus money for food. She got those things yet votes for a right wing party that wants to make those aids much lower bc they want to force women to not divorce or leave their husbands bc "traditional family" 😭
@van_ol maybe she realized what she did was wrong. people can have personal growth, you know?
There was a point where I was getting recommend "pov: pick me" videos non-stop & i couldn't help but notice how often these videos would put down girls for not being strong at a specific skill or not having an interest instead of actually drawing on the women that the archetype refers to. In a way, it just felt like a whole "tomboy vs girly girl" thing where each would put down the other (EX: "I'm horrible at makeup" = pick me; "I really like makeup" = also pick me).
Idk if this will make sense but I feel like sometimes that kind of content was made to appeal to women who feel the same way & prove they're a "girls girl" (like a "pick me" for girls?). It's like we're always trying to get approval from other women in order to feel comfortable in our existance as women.
@VVillle she already died 8 years ago checkmate fella
Yesssss this so much!
@VVillle my mother died 20 years ago
That's why the term lost all power because it's treated like "gay" is for guys. Since gay as a derogatory term been popping back up as of late. It it's basically the male pick me now. Men like cooking = gay Woman like it = pick me. Basically both come from people doom scrolling talking shit on people's being normal.
They will pit women against each other at any turn. Women can’t relax
Had no idea short women get dealt with this. People really should just live life without making assumptions about others.
I have always helped women and blokes if they too short because it pretty normal to help someone for being short and polite or vertically challenged
There was a 9 year old girl who posted a joke about how she’s small for her age and the comment section was full of people bullying her and calling her a pick me 😭 like how are you bullying a child at your grown age? Are you not embarrassed?
i recently saw a reel on instagram where a girl was simply asking how people wear foundation, because she had sensory issues and found it uncomfortable when foundation was too cakey on her face. a simple question, honestly, and i empathize with her because i feel the same way. but somehow, people decided that this was pick-me behaviour and started absolutely tearing her apart in the comment section. it's like we did a complete 360 and went right back to reinforcing gender norms and forcing all women to be traditionally feminine. great job, everyone.
Were there any actual answers to the question?
@@_.-._.-Y0K0-._.-._ there may have been, i didn't look at every single comment
@@skyhideaway well okay, I will say there is a difference between asking for makeup tips and asking "how do you do this thing everyone does and that I can't do because of a medical condition?".
*Because one has an answer, **_the other one answers it's self._*
And when you ask questions you already know the answer to, there's typically a negative reason for it that is up for interpretation.
And when people are CONSTANTLY being told something is bad and stupid, they will autofill that.
*_Asking open ended questions gets you open ended results and this is the internet we're talking about which runs on algorithms and shit._*
It's like telling a joke poorly, it is also kinda on the person who told the joke.
*You do have to think about what you are communicating, **_especially when communicating with total strangers out of any interpersonal context._*
Edit: BASICALLY, there was infact a better way to express that and without secondary social cues to indicate tone _that does infact sound like something you could say to mock people who wear makeup._
So yes people shouldn't dog pile and jump down people's throats, *but also you should probably keep in mind the void you are screaming into can hear what you're saying **_and definitely has opinions about that._*
@@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty you don't even know how the person worded their question, i just paraphrased it here. so unless you've seen the exact video i'm talking about, everything you just said is invalid.
@@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty Friendly reminder that sensory issues are most common in neurodivergent people, and you are talking about understanding social cues, which neurodivergent people are a lot less likely to be able to do.
You are very likely criticizing a neurodivergent child for acting like a neurodivergent child. Don't place the blame on the kid for not picking up on the social cues you feel she should already know.
Even if she is neurotypical, everyone learns things at different paces. She asked a simple question, and she deserved a simple answer without hostility
An interesting parallel to "Pick Me" is the term "Simp". It started as a way to refer to a guy who unquestioningly agrees with or defends a woman despite his own feelings just because he finds them attractive. I see poeple getting called simp all the time now even when supporting women who are genuinely supporting women. A big difference though is that even though simp is mostly used by men to criticize other men the shift still feels rooted in misogyny. It feels like more of an indictment of the woman in the scenario. It's like they're saying that no reasonable person could agree with and support this woman unless they wanted to sleep with her. Nobody gets called a simp in general for the way they act or their personality or interests it's always in response to someone's feelings about a specific woman.
"White Knight" is a similar, much older term. It is an inversion of your definition of "simp" here. It describes a man who is "soft" and "feminist", who defends femininity but for performative reasons, and not because he actually cares
This! I was actually coming to the comments to remark on this.
Oh yeah. It got so ridiculous that guy loving his wife/girlfriend and making her suprises or gifts is called "simp".
My man is constantly called a simp by both friends and family because on some occasions he has decided to do feminine things with me (which he obviously cannot enjoy because he is a boy 😒) he has told them that when he decides to do things with me he does it at own will and that I never force him and they still call him whipped and a simp
Right!! Now it's used as an insulting way to describe a man that shows any amount of support/love for women. Even their own girlfriends, wives, best friends... It's so pathetic it's like if you treat women as human beings you're a simp.
I've once been called a pick me for saying I love the men in my life, you know, my father, brother and male friends 👁👄👁
I said this “I think calling girls pick me is just another way to enforce gender roles” I’m 2021 at the age of 14 to my 100 tiktok followers and got clowned
so much of pick me culture is based on assumptions. you assume she's doing this or that because she wants the attention of men. it's very one-sided and one-dimensional to assume all womens' intentions and actions are with men in mind. women are whole people, but still today we're having trouble remembering that.
@user-xr7ci8tf3e anti choice feminism and telling women that they ONLY like pink and ONLY shave because of social conditioning is definitely not the answer pookie.
@user-xr7ci8tf3e We are constantly operating under a patriarchal society with sexist/misogynist undertones. There's nothing we can do about that. Is cooking for your husband wrong because it's traditional and commonly used as a sexist way of controlling women? I don't think so. Choosing NOT to cook for your husband out of fear that it's a "sexist action" in my opinion, is letting the patriarchy control your actions, and can actively stifle women from having their own interests. This is actually very relevant to the ideas expressed in the video!
I spent years denying my own individuality because I believed it was rooted in sexism. I will not do that any longer. I WANT to be a "princess" and I WANT a knight in shining armor. Clearly this is historically tied with sexist ideals, but that doesn't make the desire itself wrong or sexist. You may associate them together all you want, but in my opinion, true feminism is allowing women to choose to do what they desire (such as wear white at their wedding or cook for their husbands, or do neither of those things) without judgement.
Especially queer women. If anything, I’m doing it for women’s attention. I guess it technically works if they call me a pick me because I did get their attention lol
@@flyingfox3296 That circles into women not knowing how to cook for themselves. So many actions that would be for a woman to gain her on independence from others end up locking her into other female stereotypes of being "useless" So it ends up being a catch-22. Either she knows skills that COULD be used when she gets married yet that doesn't mean she IS learning them to just serve somebody else and or it's against her will. Like we all need to learn how to take care of ourselves somewhat. Like her learning to be self-reliant is a "pick me move" is mind-numblingly stupid.
It’s anti intellectualism and lazy thinking really
As a masc lesbian I've always had mixed feelings about "pick me" discourse.
Like, some women just aren't feminine, (or maybe they are but their experience with feminity are complicated due to other factors such as race, class, neurodivergency etc) and sometimes, the societal expectation to be feminine is alienating. That is a valid experience, and we're allowed to talk about it lmao.
It's not always an attack on other women.
That being said, unfortunately, sometimes it is weaponized by people who project their insecurities onto others. So, really, it comes down to tone, context, and intentions.
TLDR; i agree let women live
I agree so much. I was a tomboy towards the end of middle school and felt so alienating, bacause I had a hard time joining into conversations that revolved around feminity and in my class it was a high time of bad boy romance, loads of Make up and interest in guys. I always felt like I had to prove myself, because it just wasn't for me, but I felt alone with my interests and behaviour.
agree agree agreeee. i'm a femme lesbian, and i grew up hating the color pink, and i still mostly don't like it as an adult. and the horrible things some of these "girls girl"s say about women/girls not liking pink or not liking dresses/skirts are just... wow.
like what if some girls hate pink, not because they want to appeal to men, but actually because the color pink is HEAVILY associated with traditional femininity and has ties to heteronormativity? why is it considered a "performance for men" to talk about our experiences with having traditional femininity and heteronormativity pushed down our throats since childhood?
@@zeybani exactly 💯 💯💯 they never wanna acknowledge the heteronormative elephant in the room
@VVilllebot
I personally don’t experience my femininity like I wish because I can’t afford to look effortlessly girly or alt or whatever. It is goddamn privileged discourse either way and they need to garner real problems
I once got called a pick me for saying that I liked Spiderman 😐
I have adhd. TIKTOK has completely convinced several generations of people that they DONT have *OBJECT PERMANENCE*
TikTok looooooves buzzwords. The actual meaning of a word can be dismantled so quickly. It’s crazy
Even adhd has become a buzzword and is probably about have the same fate as this word right ?
@@advsreeharivsthe hive of buzzwords only seems to be growing
@@advsreeharivs Nah. The difference is that object permanence is a function that you grow into. Not having it only applies to babies and if you still don’t have object permanence as a grown adult, that should be very concerning as it would imply you were very developmentally stunted to not have at an older age. This is a true buzzword. ADHD is nothing compared to object permanence being a buzzword.
@@tetrakis7755 bro why did you think I don't have object permanence
Im so tired of people gendering every possible thing, it's so weary just let people do whatever as they please
@VVillle No, it’s a competition and I’m winning
@@JizzaTony It's a bot, just don't respond.
@VVillle bot
Yesh I feel like the whole trans discourse is further perpetuating gender stereotypes.... Just because a guy likes makeup and barbies doesn't mean he's a girl!
op, b4 the wrong kinds of ppl swarm ur replies emboldened by the most recent one:
no, this is not trans people’s fault. Trans people are some of the loudest advocates on the planet for allowing ppl to do whatever they want w/o having their identity dictated to them on the basis of these hobbies/fashion styles/etc - it’s kind of the entire point. Please stop blaming us for your own/parents’ own/educators’ own ignorance when they don’t bother to learn beyond their stereotypical ideas of what being trans/nb is and teach it to others
(Edit: I get there’s odd exception like the trans woman on tiktok who tried to claim Kurt Cobain was definitively a closeted trans woman himself, but I’m at pains to point out that I only learned abt the drama because of the many, many other trans people who pulled her up on how this was wrong to do lol)
SO basically there's only one solution to this tragicomedic ouroboros -- recognizing that every single person you see (even the ones on tiktok) exists not as vehicles to further your own sense of superiority but complex individuals whose drives, beliefs, actions, and emotions should be respected.
if only this idea was more common 😭
Imagine a world where people actually thought that way. Yeah, it’s not gonna happen, not anytime soon.
They might need to hear this in Fortnite terms 😅😅
@cheesecakelasagna 'stop assuming bad intention and ignorance of women'...uhh skibidi... rizz..?
idk im a millennial
INCLUDING MEN
(Please don't take this personally, it wasn't. Unless you're exactly the type of person who needed to hear this.
In my 20’s (more than 20 years ago) I always felt I had to deny my femininity to be taken seriously - at work, with friends, with boyfriends. It’s a family dynamic that wasn’t from my parents, it was from my grandparents. One on each side had a lot of misogyny and the more impactful misogynist was my grandmother. She was also kind of a dick in general but she devalued femininity and domestic duties… I tried to keep up with what she valued in people until I had no confidence in myself. And to her if you didn’t have all the self confidence in the world you were a loser; and therefore I had less confidence (like I said - she was a bell-end). I feel like this “pick me” call out culture was a way to call out internalized misogyny and that’s good, but has come full circle into actual misogyny. I really love this video and how it examines the bullshit. As a feminist today, you gotta stand firmly with delighting in other women’s rights to choose their own lives - tradwife? Awesome! as long as you CHOOSE it. Butch lesbian? Awesome! as long as you CHOOES it. Most women fall somewhere in between those two extremes… we can be fem today, butch tomorrow and nonbinary the next - lovely! Enjoy your life and your choices. Feminism is for ALL people. Feminism is about choice and freedom. Misogyny hurts everyone. Sit with your judgements before you examine and tear down someone else, take a look at yourself and why other people’s lives makes you angry. We gotta be able to call out misogyny without bringing other people down to “less than” status. This is how political atrocities happen. Young women please support other women - even if you disagree, don’t just slap a label and walk away, try to understand people.
this is so real😭I started to feel bad for saying I don't like wearing makeup 'cause that was a "pick me" thing to say but this video brought me down to earth, thanks boo🙏
I think the reason the subway tiktok joke didnt land is that there was no way for the general public to know it was a bit. I don’t know her, i don’t know she’s a professional comedian. Some people do genuinely hold these beliefs (or commit to the bit of pretending they do), making it kinda hard to jump to “she’s trolling” right away
Exactly my thoughts. We're seeing so many videos on a daily basis from people we don't know in the slightest that it's easy to take most of them literally. I'm sure there is a double standard between sexes when it comes to comedy, I find myself reinforcing that by accident sometimes too, but if I'd see the same joke told by a male comedian I never saw before while he has a straight face... I'll also assume he's just being misogynistic. If there's no indication in the title or the description of the video that it's satire, how am I supposed to know for sure? And even when you have disclaimers, sometimes your content gets reposted without the context so it's impossible to tell how genuine it is.
absolutely agree. i've seen too many people spouting that sort of thing genuinely/seriously. i would never have picked it up as satire if it hadn't been stated later - maybe the autism doesn't help, but i'm going to take that sort of thing at face value unless it's made clear that it's satire. i'm glad she was joking, but it wasn't clearly a joke, so it landed as a justpearlythings ripoff instead of an interesting and humorous critique.
Yeah, when I saw it in this video (not actually the original video, but from what I got it's literally like that) I got the impression that she was projecting and talking about someone specifically. There are too many videos of strangers on the internet who are 100% serious when they do something like this... It was really hard to spot the satire. But, to be fair, she said that she was not in control of the edit, so I'm gonna blame also whoever edited the video in that way. Like, maybe I would still not get the joke but, with a better edit, I would at least get it was satire.
I think it makes perfect sense and is funny? Like, she's describing *a New York dude's ideal girlfriend*, not a real girl. The way she says "I'd love to meet her" sorts of implies that such a girl might not even exist in the real world. Idk, I thought it was fairly obvious that she was making a joke about what men think they want?
Right. Sometimes people do just want something to be angry about, but sometimes you miss the context and risk taking it seriously. I missed the beginning part on my first listen through, which as @jaynestrange said was an important part of knowing it's satire. As always, missing context isn't always an individual's fault and I think it's a big part of why the Internet is such a big place for conflict to arise.
2014's Fake Gamer Girl Discourse has breached contagion and reached the normies. Everyone take cover.
Alarm sounds off in the background.
Truly, all human squabbles can be reduced to like 10 archetypes
Thought you were talking about the youtuber Fake Gamer Girl for a sec
oh my god, you ressurected memoriess that were burried DEEP
Omg. My channel was literally an example of this
I’ve been called a pick me because I’ve talked about always feeling different from other girls-in the context of having a very hard time making new female friendships-which is very important to me. My struggles with being social just slapped me with a label despite having zero to do with male validation
This reminds me of when you are arguing with someone as a child abt not talking and it goes like:
“You just talked”
“Well you just said something “
“But you just talked again”
And it goes on…
When u shame a woman for shaming a woman you are shaming a woman and therefore perpetuating the problem
I'm uncomfortable with the 'pick me' and 'girl's girl' labels because I'm autistic. I've spent my entire life being excluded from female friendship groups for not understanding the unspoken rules and not performing femininity correctly. 'Girl's girl' seems like a term almost designed to alienate women like me who don't fit in. I often wonder if a lot of 'I'm not like other girls' types were also actually undiagnosed autistic and rebelling against an experience of girlhood they felt excluded from. I often hesitate to discuss my experience with female friendships because I'll be labeled a 'pick me'.
Not like other girls has 100% always been like that. Before diagnosis, that's basically just what i called it LOL.
What I’ve noticed is that many women will often go full circle and act as though other girls will always have your back, and talk about girl code as if its gospel, which never reasoned with me. As another undiagnosed autistic girl, I was often beaten down and made fun of by both men and women alike, which makes me confused. Women are so complex, and all of us are different. Is it not inherently backwards to assume all women are on our side when that is clearly not true?
@@justausername5749 Yes, saying stuff like that when it's clearly not true is part of the unspoken rules.
reading your comment was such a relief on my heavy heart bc this is exactly how I feel as an autistic girl and I can’t put it into words lol.
I feel this
The "anti-pick me" trend, especially during the barbie movie time last summer, has always annoyed me. Because as you said, they have a valid point (feminine interests are valid as well), but to me it seemed like they were just (unintentionally) reinforcing gender stereotypes. We don't have to act like "feminine" interests are only reserved for girls and we don't have to say that women generally don't like "masculine" things
I feel like women should be free TO BE WHO THEY ARE.
To quote Ke$ha - “We R who we r…DJ turn it up”
right. it's just making fun of masculine women/women with masculine interests all over again. can we pls just let women be😭
It really bothered me too, because I think the pick me trend came from seeing like. Misogynistic representations of women as shallow and vapid etc and wanting to pull away from that (albeit, in a way that's also misogynistic), so being the opposite of that is just. Being that misogynistic representation of what a woman is. Like, let's just get rid of all of it
@@fundiptimes I agree so much.
The words on the thumbnail got me here: let mfs live! We are so obsessed in calling out every little thing thats happening.
Even if they want to get picked, let them get picked. What is it to everyone? This whole thing get blown way out of proportion
I never understood the pick me label and you’ve made it clear why. I couldn’t tell how OTHER people could tell they liked or hated something for the favor of men vs for themselves, outside of the really obvious girls fawning over boys and changing their personalities depending on who they were talking to.
I had no idea people *weren't* using "pick-me" exclusively to refer to women who tear down other women for male validation.
The internet is dumb.
I've seen it be used to refer to any marginalized group that kisses up to their opressers in a way that involves throwing members of their own community under the bus.
@VVillle prommy?
@VVillle why are you google translating what you want to say in sanskrit
Same, I used it exclusively when I see women idolising men to the point where they could do no wrong or be seen as human, but would disrespect women and never believe in their capabilities.
Also anyone remember when tradwives used to be part of the tumblr BDSM kink space, now they're pushing other women into their kink when they're on tiktok, wild.
@VVilllejokes on you buddy. My mom literally did get killed in a car accident 4 months ago. Will subscribing to your chitty channel magically friggin resurrect her?
as someone who grew up struggling to relate to other girls and feeling like i was failing at being a woman bc of my more stereotypically masculine interests, i think its really important to acknowledge how isolating it can be to have traits that others would describe as "pick me". and seeing people rally so strongly against "pick me" girls really brings back that feeling of othering. all i wanted as a kid was to fit in with the other girls, and i think the perceived obnoxiousness that people have a problem with is often a coping mechanism for feeling like an outcast
@@lily-xj3hv I relate to this 🖤
It's hard being a teen who doesn't fit the mold and people forget that
a) sometimes those sentiments are coming from real feelings of isolation and frustration and
b) we tend to deal with frustration by letting it out on others (targeting the individuals that engage with "girl" culture rather than the wider society that tried to box you in) it takes time to develop understanding and nuance.
Exactly. It’s just rationalization for bullying. Same old dance dressed up in a new covering.
I'm glad we're finally talking about this, I'm tired of people pretending to be against misogyny when half the time it just seems like they simply hate GNC women.
I'm really glad you addressed the short thing, because it's baffling to me. I'm 5'1" and my friend's 11-year-old daughter is my height. She roasts me about constantly and it's hilarious, but I've become self-conscious about telling those stories to other people in case it sounds like the exaggerated "omg I'm so small and cute 🥺" that gets labeled "pick-me behavior"
The moral is you can't unlearn misogyny through memes.
Skill issue
When people first began to criticize the not as other girls trope, I thought we were heading in the right direction where people realized that girls don't need to act a certain way to impress men. Cause in a lot of young adult media geared towards young girls, the main character is seen as special and different from all the other girls because she either defies gender roles or is not promiscuous, unlike the other girls who care about their looks, sleeping around with guys and bullies the main character. When their male love interest tells them "you're not like other girls" it implies that other girls are the problem and that the main character is better than all of them.
But the whole trend just went full circle, and now every time a girl acts a certain way, she is suddenly seen as a pick me. Even if it is not for male attention. Sometimes they might want to make friends with no intention of tearing down other girls. Sometimes girls may act quirky because that is who they are. The only time I will ever label a girl a pick me is if she putting down other women for male approval. Even when girls acknowledge how short they are, suddenly everyone screams "Pick me"!
Yes! I've seen this myself!
This is so true 😭 Like I was once called a pick me on instagram because I said that I’m a short girl. Which is straight up facts because I am short. (I'm 150cm) So I was just telling the truth. But people just stick the "pick me" label on me.
The problem here is that being different doesn't make you better. The hate for the trope was uncalled for because it was just validating girls who were attacked and shamed for being non traditionally feminine
@@beyond.thepages_4’11” in freedom units
I never liked the trend
One thing that irritates me still is that in everything calling out the "pick me" sentiment has a bunch of comments about how "they can tell when it's not genuine" and a many others of women who got called pick me's for existing. Like something isn't adding up. Ppl are too overconfident in their ability to interpret others' intentions.
I freaking love video essays and I definitely need that gentle reminder of self reflection
First. Pearl has to be number one on the hit list. She's worked so hard. Give her that pickmeisha award and grand prize.
No you are third
@@eslem.4 shhhhhhh
Is Pearl really that incredibly stupid? Like everything I've seen seems to show that she could very well be incredibly stupid, but are we sure it isn't an act given her apparent success grifting from dumb men?
Her prize is an alpha bro who will cheat on her.
I don’t know. She’s like a comic pick me…
Not being on instagram and tiktok has been the greatest blessing i ever gave to my mental health. I love listening to all of these niche microcultures that are supposed to ruin my mind as a woman vicariously
the subway girl is the patient zero of the modern pick me movement for sure, specifically because shes a comedian. I fucking hate comedians lol
I genuinely think Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat, and TikTok in particular have had an enormous negative impact on society as a whole.
Same lol. I just hope yt doesn't devolve into something like that. It's the only thing I use.
People in IG are so mean
But I'm starting to see it here too so were screwed either way
I know this whole video is about abandoning the idea of the "Pick Me", but I just need to say it:
The Anti-Pick Me is just a meta-level Pick Me. The Pick Me demands that they're not like every other girl, they reject the stereotype to recieve affirmation from the patriarchy. But when every woman is treated like a Pick Me, then the Anti-Pick Me rejects the new stereotype to recieve affirmation from the patriarchy.
The best solution to all of this is to abandon our obsession with labels and the social hierarchy and accept that human beings are multi-faceted individuals who are more that just one single thing, and are instead the result of a collection of unique experiences... but something makes me thing we have an uphill battle.
Which translates to "we need to get off the internet, as it works within the very concepts of tags and microcultures, hence reinforcing them", something only scifi writers can dream off.
Dawg I went through a small pick me phase bc I was never socially accepted when I was younger by other girl friend groups at school because I was very socially awkward, but I grew out of it as a grew older and gained more confidence, genuinely though, I’ve always preferred being friends with more guys, almost every girl best friend I’ve had has ended up being a horrid toxic pick me who projected that label onto me for the dumbest reasons, genuinely, my ex girlfriend was the biggest one, she would always say I was grabbing attention by just joking around w my friends and I’m “not feminine enough” (she’d get mad at me for acting too masculine around my guy friends but too feminine around her I don’t even know what the fuck that means I genuinely am pretty androgynous because I don’t care what people think), she would constantly put me down in front of my guy friends and beg for their attention and vie for their approval and only would get anxious or upset if one of my friends got upset w the way she treated me. THAT my friends, is a pick me girl. A girl that puts down other girls she’s friends with to try and lift themselves up in the eyes of a man or another person. Pick me has lost all meaning on the internet but this is what it is.
(Thankful that my ex left me and everyone else in my group was also thankful and that really helped me realize I wasn’t the stupid pick me girl she always made me out to be and made me feel like ) anyways yeah hate these mfs and gals are sposed to back each other up not put each other down, cmON ladies
I thought this stuff was purely online until I found out a coworker I thought was my friend was talking behind my back calling me a "pickme" for not shaving my legs and having 'weird/masuline' interests. She was heavily recommending me some witchy type books about feminity and feminine gods and how to learn to love yourself as a woman so ig that shouldve been my red flag. Feeling more comfortable not shaving and liking paleontology/video games means I hate women and myself apparently.
This is shitty behavior in general obviously but one of her reasons being that you don’t shave your legs is WILD cuz that doesn’t even align with the male gaze 😭
Yeah, there are a lot of neopagans that preach gender essentialism. It drives me mad. Every time I try to learn more about paganism I'm met with repackaged misogyny and transphobia.
Not shaving legs is pick me?! Ermm wtf.
How to actually love yourself as a woman is embracing your body and not changing your body to please others. You do you girl. Loving your body and expressing yourself how YOU want is the healthiest thing you can do. 💜
I thought not shaving was seen as a feminist thing 😂 gosh we really can not win
Your comment about no one being born a feminist stood out to me. I believe a lot of people indirectly assume that women are born with this innate desire to want to view everyone equally. But I would say that human nature, and our brain's desire to seek out patterns, will innately lead us to the opposite. This categorization of people is more tempting to individuals like teens and sheltered people who have never been disadvantaged in a meaningful way, because it aligns so closely with how you perceive the world before being challenged.
We'll all be a little less angry when we acknowledge that the journey to feminist ideals is not uniform and not something we're born with. And it's not something that people who have never encountered the issues of misogyny will want to accept initially because it doesn't fit what's made sense to them all their life. But it doesn't mean they can't with a little patience.
I usually don't like this kind of content but I've noticed this as an issue too.. on the nlog subreddit a really big rule was that they only considered women who put other women down to be nlog, but a couple months back a lot of top posts were literally just women who were sharing unconventional interests. a lot of people seriously misuse the term 'pick me' and 'nlog' and it is honestly just misogyny in its modern form. nice video, leaving my comment for the algorithm 👍
I think the meaning of a pick me got so distorted because there are dangerous male obsessed women that will damage other woman when they’re obsessed with a man and see someone as a threat to that obsession. But now it’s just turned into some way to shame women for their hobbies and interests which is something we’ve dealt with since the dawn of time.
I’m 5’2” and the only thing significant about that is how good I am at hide and seek
*psssst.. I’m in the dryer* 🤫
That's how you shrunk in the first place 🧐
@@jazzenriquez9827 ha!! 💜💜💜
I'm also 5'2", making me an inch taller than my mother, and like 4 or 5 inches taller than HER mother, so I've internalized an image of myself as this hulking giant, towering over other women. It's always such a shock when someone comments on how "short" I am. Tall, short, average... it's all so subjective!
As someone of a similar height, it does make it harder to see in crowds or even in some theaters.
Oh, good! Are my towels done drying yet?
The name thing is WILD. How can I be a pick me for a name I didn’t pick??
Signed, Amanda
The only women who pick their names are celebrities and trans women!
I’m pretty sure that one was directed at Ariana for the Slater thing but who knows with some of these people
Just in general, names, size, body type, lowkey skin color, there are just so many things you cannot change included in these definitions. Not that putting people down for what they like or chose to do is much better.
In Polish almost every female name ends with an A. We also have a big bunch of names that start with A. All in all, we have a limited number of names so it is hilarious to think that some rando perceives the majority of Polish women to be pick me due to our rigid naming traditions, lol.
If a man tells you you're not like other girls congratulate him on so bravely expanding his horizon.
as soon as the first person missed the point of the qualifier *puts other women down explicitly for male approval* this trend was doomed
In Pride and Prejudice, Caroline Bingley literally accuses Lizzie Bennet of being a pick-me. ‘Eliza Bennet,' said Miss Bingley, when the door was closed on her, 'is one of those young ladies who seek to recommend themselves to the other sex by undervaluing their own; and with many men, I dare say, it succeeds. But, in my opinion, it is a paltry device, a very mean art.'
Great point. I think looking to literature for examples of performative gender and performative gender criticism is very useful, because helps prove this is neither new nor particularly difficult to get our head around. Lizzie does have negative thoughts about women in general (and is not the only Austen character to do so, although they do not exempt themselves from the general criticism), but the criticism of her by Caroline is targeted. Caroline feels the need to do this because she knows Darcy is more into Elizabeth than her and she dislikes her family and is a big jerk and she's trying to discredit Elizabeth in the eyes of Darcy but also (as a backup) win back her sense of superiority.
The whole scene perfectly encapsulates everything that can go into these exchanges and why people do it. It's all about our internal sense of validity and superiority, which is (in women's lives) so often judged by how successful they are with men. This is especially the case when women's lives hinge on their relationship to men, as they do in Jane Austen's universe. Caroline, although she has no reason to worry about money or her future given her immensely wealthy and loving brother, is nevertheless growing older without having yet successfully secured someone who she feels is worthy of her station in life and thus completed the thing women are expected to do in order to achieve true success and transition to the superior state of "married woman" which holds more power and validity than the "unmarried woman" in her society.
@victoriafisher1923 yes, I agree: Caroline is accusing lizzie of trying to make herself look superior when that is exactly what Caroline's doing
Yeah, it’s almost like this has been happening since the dawn of humanity.
Well maybe not the DAWN of humanity but at least once we started getting comfortable and needed to come up with reasons to hate each other.
It's annoying how the "anti-pick me girl" Trend doesn't understand what's wrong with the "I'm not like the other girls" phrase and can't possibly fathom that there are a lot of different women so you literally can't be like all the others or unlike all the others.
I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS. I have been a feminist since I was young and when this phrase became popular "I'm just like the other girls" I kept wondering what it meant. Girls are all beautiful in their own ways and to group them all as one fails to see us once again as human beings and individuals. We are our own people. I learned this was in response to men hating on "stereotypical women" which is hard to imagine on it's own because there is no stereotypical woman. This phrase felt like it was playing into whatever the hell men believed about us.
"I'm an ANTI pick me girl" oh. So you're. Not like those women? You're not like the other women? You specifically a want praise and attention for being not like those other women, who are bad? Hmmm if only there was a phrase for that-
I’m glad it’s getting talked about as someone who grew up with the “not like other girls “ trope being big in books and then irl being annoying, but also felt uncomfortable how a lot of “girl power” /pop feminism response put down girls who actually don’t like makeup or feminists who would challenge actually possibly sexist standards. Especially neurodivergent women/girls or those who just aren’t always on trend
i’ve had two very short friends in my life. one was a pick me and the other wasn’t. the thing was, when friend a.) would get called short, she’d say how big us girls were, how she wasn’t like us at all (she was the same height as a lot of my classmates at the time), how no one liked her cause she was short (she was the most popular). my friend b.) joked about her being short, others joked about it, she made jokes about me being tall, but it was never to make a guy/someone like her more. it wasn’t putting me down to make herself better. we both laughed and agreed it was funny. i guess that’s the point. a pick me girl is making fun of you, or trying to make you look bad in sport of making herself look better. i just don’t really understand why it’s a ‘girl’ thing, when i see soooo many guys insult their friends to make them look cooler.
I used to like watching the pick me parody videos but now it has become so as you said 'Ubiquitous' and meaning has started getting very ambiguous. This video definitely helped me understand that the content is definitely creating more misogyny.
Haha, I've never thought that I would get called a pick-me for my love of ceramics. I took a required art class in high school and fell in love with sculpting. The things we're not supposed to like are so random
What? How is pottery pick me? Isn't that the most girly girl thing atm??
People who have nooooo hobbies because they can't get into anything get so mad when they see people being happy fr. Unless it's someone they can date and latch on to and then it's all "I love people who share their hobbies and passions with me!" like ok that's all good and well but where are yours
As a professional potter, interested to hear that me and my entire customer base are damned by this criteria
@@lyndonwesthaven6623welcome to the patriarchy, it blows
@bingonight1504 I mean, that's how I am with music. I don't have huge selection of songs that are "mine." But I love it when people share what they love with me. Those songs become very precious to me. I don't see how that's a bad thing?
It's like calling out things in other women that make us feel insecure, but we are still centering men in all of this
Finally, someone's adressing this👏👏 literally labelling any normal behavior or preference of a women as pick me. The worst thing is it's women nitpicking on other women a lot of times😔