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WT - LaGG-3-8 Uptiered in Arcade
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- čas přidán 1. 01. 2016
- I take the first LaGG-3, a Tier 1 plane rated at 2.3, and fly it in a Tier 4 4.3 lineup in a quest for 10 kills & Terror of the Sky in a single battle.
The music is by Studio Jams and features some extraordinary electric violin - • Studio Jams #47 - "Fun...
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There was some outstanding defensive moves at the end. Rudder turns + snap rolls are their best!
+robin tremblay Thanks, though I was particularly happy with the diving defensive moves against the Bf109 G-2 and B7A2 earlier on, as they're not the type of thing I've practiced that often and they worked extremely well.
Nice video long5hot, with some good flying skills on display :)
+Long5hot well played, hope these games alleviated some of the boredom you've been having in arcade.
That....was one of the coolest things I've watched in some time! The guy complaining about crappy arcade pilots was the best! I wonder why he didn't come back for some more fun?
Making me grin from the flight model comparisons onward.
You rock longshot. Damn that man can fly.
Air Domination is still around these days, but I also have the impression that the rate at which they appear in the random battle line up has been reduced.
You're better at BR 4.3 with that LaGG than I am at the plane's appropriate matchmaking.
Mate, you are a much better pilot than me. When I do well in a battle it is more due to smart tactics rather than flying skill. Great to learn from someone that has mastered both.
Splendid work and really interesting video. I'd like to see more of this, which seems to be your specialty.
Outstanding! This series of yours is really helping noobs like me (by the way I'm StickyNoob in WT). It is hard for one to admit he doesn't know how to fly a machine effectively in the game, as it is in my case, and I admit that the time I passed watching your videos has been more useful than half the time I spent insisting in useless tactics while in game. Great series! Subscribed, cheers from troubled Brazil!
you have taught me so much idk if you have manuver vids but I try my best to copy what you do and it works all the time you can tell who has at least a little knowledge about combat flight manuver and who doesn't lol thanks and keep it up
Very nice and entertaining, Longshot!
Great flying.
I enjoyed this a lot. I will say though, it reminded me of my terrible time of spading out the early MiGs. I haven't so much as glanced at those laggs and MiGs since.
it seems as gaijin has changed the odds on maps. I haven't seen airdom in forever and rarely get airfield domination.
as for your friend in the BTD ...one of my favorite planes...painfully slow to turn above bomber spawn height but fun when you can blast that bomber hunter down when he thinks you didn't see him coming. 2k lbs of boom but those cannons made it viable for a kill or two if AirDom came up and you needed one more plane.
@long5hot I just played 1.7BR in 4.3BR on accident, with the Ki-43-I, and walked away with 5-0. Im not nearly half as good as you with your knowledge and finger abilities to perform maneuvers but I WAS UNTOUCHABLE!!
You should give this a go... it was great fun, and hilarious that at 1.7 i was destroying fools 4.3+. Its turning abilities turned out to be a great advantage on much higher powered aircraft. I did have it aced as instead of 2 7.7's you upgrade to two 12.7's
+Donald Rossi Sounds like an awesome game :D The only problem I have with early Ki-43s is their guns, getting 5 kills with it in a 4.3 battle is a real achievement. And don't you find it gives you a far greater buzz than flying it at 1.7 for 5 kills?
+long5hot yeah i agree with the guns. thats why i mentioned the ace upgrade. i dont think i could have got that many kills on stock guns.
youre right though it was very exciting. i was on edge most of the game because i was constantly dodging and doing reversals.
the snap rolls are amazing in the ki in ab. i could almost just snap roll everywhere instead of regular flight.
haha ok i may be exaggerating a bit there :).
Can't wait for the yak-3
More likely 'Turning the Rudder' for a title
+G. Sowul flying's easy, its just like steering a ship :)
+long5hot when rudder gone in fight, I sometimes fly sideways. (+ protecting the belly when escaping in burning B25-J, Ki-49 or Ar-2)
Great work long5hot
Any time you want an air dom battle, please feel free to take mine :)
ps. I personally love this particular plane!
that moment when you downtier a ki 61-I tei and it still feels like you fly a uptiered plane...
+jakshellPS3 Untested theory of the day - that the Tei and the LaGG-3-8 have the same FM...
+long5hot in terms of engine power that may be the truth
And you are the best pilot I've seen
that skype sound really got me i was like, "ooo im popular i got a message" *and yes, thats my skype messages on the video, not yours* aww
"Since when are rudders better at turning than elevators?" Here we go again...
+Sub Royalty
Answer: Since we moved into Arcade flight mode.
I hate RB but I feel for the pilot who prefers a realistic flight/control model and feels he has to play Arcade because 'tasks' that aren't available in RB and then runs into a true Arcade specialist like Long5hot.
Icehair's Game Experiments Just so you know, I wasn't asking. You might have noticed the quotes. Rather, I was mocking the pilot for his shameful display of idiocy and cowardice as he shunned away the criticisms of a far better pilot. This is a situation I've been in before. I outmaneuver several more maneuverable aircraft and then the enemy throws a fit and rejects whatever lesson I try to teach them.
+Sub Royalty Very true, however what surprised me was not is ignorance of rudder - someone who sticks to RB couldn't be expected to know that rudder is so useful in Arcade with many planes. Rather it was his tactic of merely flying in horizontal circles like any Arcade n00b. I would have expected an RB player to get above me, bleed my energy and set me up for a stall kill, which he could have done easily, but he never tried it.
+long5hot Frankly that didn't come as much surprise to me, thought it was lovely to watch one of those RB pilots who talks so much trash about arcade get wasted. Firstly, in realistic battles he could outmaneuver your plane with relative ease, particularly with the vertical loops.This could easily lead to him to believe energy fighting would be a waste of time. Second, RB pilots aren't usually very good at energy fighting. Even German RB teams seem to struggle with maintaining high energy, but American and British teams are the worst by far.
I'm finding lately that even after the game ends and it's that last few seconds before it goes to results that if you get shot down it still counts as a death.
+Thetepkai Its actually been that way for quite a while. If you die it counts as a kill, if you shoot someone down it does _not_ count as a kill.
How many times have I been ranting on this very odd feature that cost my only plane after the game had ended and tje screen was fading almost black and you hear: "bing" - check results - 1 plane lost !!!
Gosh. Russian tier one planes are so OP!
-JayneCobbb
nice video longshot I think I ran into when you were testing one of these lag 3 I thought about going after you but I was like na.... he is making a video of something let him get on with it hope we can be in the same match again and on the same team some day again.
+Thunder0010 Yep I probably was ... you should have gone after me, might have made for some useful footage ;)
+Thunder0010 why didn't you go after him, we just missed an importunity to see another easy funny kill
hello, first off, love your videos, the tutorials are amazingly helpful. Can you please tell me what software you use to produce such fabulous videos? ?
+Anthony Krystosek MSI Afterburner for recording the footage, Videopad for editing, Audacity for narration & background music, Mediacoder for post-processing into a format that CZcams prefers.
+long5hot thank you! Keep up the good work!
Happy new year! I enjoy your up tiering vids even though I stick to rb myself. Like someone else mentioned in the comments, I'd love to see your rb / arcade comparison vids.
One question, (and I'm not sure if this is simply my brain not functioning before my morning coffee or not, so... grain of salt). I would swear on a stack of bibles that when I first started watching ab vids about wt (maybe not yours, but a certain majority of others for sure) that there was an abundance of landing flap usage over combat flaps for those last minute tight turns.
Am I wrong (again, pre morning coffee) or are landing flaps no longer a viable option?
+FlyingRossolini I haven't actually made an AB/RB comparison vid - I did create a vid to help AB players learn to setup shots & aim as a preparation for RB but that's as far as I've gone with it. There are aspects of RB that I simply don't find enjoyable & that keep me from playing the mode.
I know what you mean about flaps - for a while there they were incredibly popular among YTers and forum posters, the magical answer to winning a turnfight. Well, they can be sometimes, but other times they can be the death of you. It depends on the plane and on the situation.
As you almost certainly know already, flaps, especially landing flaps, increase the lift of your wings in exchange for drag which cuts your speed. The result can be a tighter turning circle - most planes won't actually travel around the circle any faster than they did without flaps, but the circle itself is smaller.
Used in moderation, especially at the top of a loop/immelman/hammerhead (which is where I use them most), they can be extremely effective in getting guns on target. Used too much and your plane becomes slow & an easy kill. This is especially true for Spitfires.
There are exceptions of course. Yak-3s in particular hold an incredible amount of speed through turns, which means they can deploy landing flaps and still stay around 300km/h. And there are many planes that have very little lift from the wings & combat flaps at least are required in every circumstance where elevator authority is needed.
I have about 800 kills with a LaGG-3-8, wonderful plane.
how about I-153P video? This is more "naturally" uptiered aircraft. Sure - it's a biplane, but it has to face higher tier opponents due to 2x20mm cannons :)
+Szymon Boratynski Well, I did make a short video on it a few months ago - czcams.com/video/cv1-s26FgN4/video.html
I last flew it shortly before Patch 1.55 dropped, and found that its roll rate had been quite drastically reduced _and_ its turntime as well - in fact in a custom battle test I was being easily out-turned by a friend in a Ki-43-III. Of course the Ki-43 then suffered a cut to its own turning ability in Patch 1.55 and I haven't flown the Chaika since then so I'm not really sure where it stands now.
Another candidate for "natural" uptiering is the cannon Ishak, though its at 3.7 now not 4.3 where it used to be (the premium version was at 4.7), but its still in essence a 2.0 plane facing opponents with far superior flight characteristics.
+long5hot I totally forgot about that video (shame on me)... but still - one with commentary would be nice..
Canon Ishak is another one as well, but still I think I-153P is kind of extreme since it is a biplane - being shot down by biplane is kind of humiliation (F-82E was my first kill in I-153P - I wish I could see a face of this guy when he realized what took him down)
Brilliant display once again longShot. Just wondering, do you plan to take out the MiG-17 anytime soon? Would love to get your thoughts on the MiG-17. Thanks.
+Indunil Sameera Danthanarayana Unfortunately I don't have that particular plane yet.
I intend to make more videos on Tier 4 planes first, then move into jets afterwards.
Hey, nice vid and great flying, I was just wondering what you would recommend for a starting jet
@ long5hot : nice vid as always, but here is a question
why do you set the convergence to 800m ? and have you vertical targeting on or not ?
the reason for this question is the distance of most of your kills ( around 300-500 m) .. why the high convergence at all
+Mustrum Ridcully The answers to these questions can be found in this video here - czcams.com/video/A4sjT6XOBEg/video.html
However, short version - as the guns are all centrally mounted it makes sense to set a long convergence in order to maximize the chance of hitting at long range in head-ons. Shorter convergence only makes sense with wing mounted guns. And I never use vertical targeting.
300 PARTY!!
+Long5hot , Really enjoyable video like always :)
I've a doubt in downtiering a line up. How exactly does it work?
For instance, if I have a 4.3 B.R aircraft and 1 B.R, 1B.R, 1 B.R (reserve biplane) will it average the Line up down to 1.8 B.R.
Is it the average of all aircraft B.R or Highest B.R aircraft that becomes the B.R for that Line up?
and How to effectively downtier a line up for grinding stock planes?
Thank you and I'm eagerly waiting for a Yak-3 video as I just unlocked it trying to spade it :)
+MUZAMMILdesign Downtiering is based on your 3 highest rated planes only, and they have to be within a 2.0 BR range for any averaging to work. Hence in your example there'd be no downtiering as the gap is too large.
Also the most it will downtier is a single BR step (0.3 or 0.4), so if your top plane is BR 4.3 you can only drop the lineup to 4.0.
The following lineups will average 4.0 ... 1x4.3, 1x4.0, 1x3.7 ... 1x4.3, 2x3.7 (or below down to 2.3). 1x4.3 and 2x4.0 will not average down. Hope that makes it clearer :)
+long5hot Thank you very much ...
I tried using my PS3 controller to play WT on PC. each plane was a shakey mess. I have never been able to set up my mouse and keyboard in order to faithfully reproduce a lot of the maneuvers that long5hot demonstrates :(
+CircleOfSorrow That saddens me :\ What problems did you run into using mouse/keyboard?
+long5hot It isn't a limitation of the game or the hardware, but with me. I cannot find another position beside W and S that I find comfortable using for the throttle. I may be buying a joystick/throttle combo thingie for Elite Dangerous in the not too distant future though, so if that doesn't help, nothing will.
Thank you so much for your uploads LS. I enjoyed hunting bombers and energy fighting for a long time because of your tuts. Nobody flies bombers at altitude these days though, and with the control problems already discussed, watching your uploads is the most fun I have with WT these days :)
+CircleOfSorrow I know it's not super ideal, but I use the mouse scroll wheel for throttle up/down. It misses the ability to throttle quickly from 0 to wep, but for cycling off wep it works ok for me. And it means I can keep qweasd for the main flying controls without too much stretching.
i just cannot find the ammo indicator anywhere in options, any one know where to enable it?
+astafzciba game options -> interface -> it should be somewhere in the middle
Can you please explain to me how to snap roll to avoid head ons as you do. I'm not sure how to pull it off.
up elevator and roll key at same time. You can also add rudder in the direction of the roll - with some planes this makes for a more evasive maneuver. The timing is key, you want to begin the snap roll just as they're likely to get guns on you, and it has to be a high speed head-on otherwise they'll have time to adjust and shoot you down.
@@long5hot thank you very much sir. Can I ask, are you a pilot? Cause you seem very knowledgeable on this stuff. Anyways, please keep those great videos coming. I especially enjoy the uptiered series.
you make it all seem so easy. haha
+TaoriUTS Well if an old bloke on an Australian internet connection, with trembling fingers, bad eyesight, slow reflexes and gout in his right toe can do this, anyone can :)
long5hot old people however excel at calmness + strategic consideration. but yeah. watching your tutorials helped me loads already :)
longshot how do I fly the bf109f2???The 15mm is soo hard to aim tried all the belts and still can't find any good belts for shooting down planes
+Dennis Wang You'll find my thoughts on the F-2 in the 2nd half of this video ... czcams.com/video/m3hnyG4NGWk/video.html
long5hot Watched it i know but any other suggestions of using the plane.I find the weight of the 15mm light so its hard to aim and then there tracers which makes it a lot harder to aim when the target is dogding around.
+Dennis Wang Unfortunately no. I don't fly the plane as I find its simply too ineffective in air to air combat due to its cannon.
Do you use vsych? If so, have you experienced input lag? I can't use Vsych without getting input lag.
10:50 So unprofessional :P
14:15 I'd be surprised as well. I've never really taken the rudders seriously
+Muddy Fudger Yes I do use VSync, and have never had a problem with input lag. I do have triple buffering enabled, which is supposed to help with that problem, so perhaps that's something you could try? I have a feeling this issue is more noticeable with some video cards than others.
+Muddy Fudger Also what really surprised me with the RB player is that he didn't change his tactics when the horizontal turn wasn't working. He could have used his superior climbrate and engine power to get above me, but no he just stuck with the same tactic as if that's all he knew, until it almost got him shot down.
long5hot Hm, bizarre. I'm using a Geforce GTX 980, but I'll give that triple buffer a shot some time.
Well, RB players aren't necessarily better players. I think players who play RB and sim are _generally_ more skilled, but outliers will always exist.
use F6F-3 hellcat vs tier 4-5 planes :D
+Forest Walker Hmm, not a bad idea, though in my experience .50 cals are very frustrating to use right now.
+Forest Walker Just took the Hellcat for a test flight for the first time in months ... ugh, that plane is not good at all. Probably the worst energy retention of any 3.0-ish fighter.
long5hot well I try to think a better idea then :D I try to get 1 idea in few days or weeks :) btw you are doing a great job keep it up
Okay how about F4F-4 Wildcat againts tier 3 /br 3,7 or 4,7br. I know it has same proplems as heelcat but it has powerful guns I tried this my self I got 7 kills in a life so I think you can deal whit this :D (sorry for my bad english)
How you can get the FPS so high?
He just has a device that has better components.
So, why dont you play Realistic?
+Hostilian People keep asking me that :) Firstly, 10 kills flying solo in a dramatically uptiered plane is impossible in RB - you can't even uptier unless you're in a squad, and usually there's no way to get reversals like I can in AB. Forget rudder turns as in RB they instantly stall a wing on many planes - and thats as it should be of course, but it does take away an element of plane control that is really useful in AB and instead increases reliance on the mouse/instructor.
Then there's the nature of random battles, which I really don't enjoy. Climb, climb, climb, to find that the enemy all dived and are pretty much dead before you can reach them. Or climb, climb, climb to find that the enemy has planes that climb better - prepare to be slowly & steadily BnZ'd to death. Or as many RB players do ... don't climb at all, just furball at ground level which is little different from Arcade except there's only one life to lose.
I'm waiting for EC, after which I'll give RB another try.
Good Reasons
+long5hot
I would like to add that there is a very good Longshot episodes which compares the nature and required skills for arcade versus realistic, Longshot, pls be so kind and post the link, I cannot seem to find it...
+Lord Lukian I think you mean this one? czcams.com/video/0_AiYGxHHZc/video.html
I haven't made any other vids for RB with the exception of several Analyze This episodes.
+long5hot I'm sorry, but what's EC?
A plane is only as good as its pilot
Why are all your videos so choppy? I see 60 fps but the video feels like 20
Unfortunately my computer's a bit of a potato - I can only record at 20fps, which I convert to 60fps before uploading as youtube doesn't compress/blur 60fps videos as much. I'd love to be able to record @ 60fps ... maybe one day I'll be able to afford a better rig.
long5hot It's not that bad if you're getting nice fps like that, but relatable. A few years ago I couldn't play GTA San Andreas on maximum settings with solid 60...
Yep, gameplay-wise my toaster isn't actually too bad. I have WT on Vsync at 60, otherwise it spikes between 80 & 200fps but with occasional tearing which is quite disconcerting. The problem comes when I record live video, as the computer just can't keep up with recording every frame - the resulting footage is full of graphical glitches. Hence I record 20fps (every 3rd frame), as that seems to work ok.
The things you do when you can't afford a proper gaming machine ;)
long5hot I had really bad tearing aswell so I also have to use vsync. Anyway, your content quality definitely makes up for the 20 fps, cheers.
2:52 I smell a little bit of Russian bias.
This plane is underpowered so it does not mean its russian bias just if a plane does one thing better.
Copy and paste FM xD
+Rasydan MRMR (U-2412) I'm not sure how else to explain it ;)
long5hot but it does sound right to me xD I can't even see any difference from those two,for the roll and turn test ofc
+Rasydan MRMR (U-2412) When I overlaid them in the video editor I was quite surprised - that wasn't at all what I expected to see.
+long5hot Gaijin sure have a lot of surprises for us. xD Keep up the good videos btw :3
if arcade is boring you try realistic or sim
+Haurdead123 I don't have a joystick & don't really feel like buying one at the moment, and RB bores me far more than AB.
+long5hot yeah I see your point with the joystick. I hope you start to have more fun soon because that can really burn you out
+Haurdead123 Oh I'm good, don't worry. That's why I uptier planes as it really ramps up the sense of challenge & there's a lot of enjoyment from pulling off a good game against the odds.
Domination maps are ruining this game. They're poorly designed - they're way too short, objectives aren't interesting nor do they encourage good pvp interaction, the maps are often too small or too large, and the layouts are frequently inexplicable. All the bombers complain they aren't useful enough, and all the fighters are forced into gigantic furballs. There's also a great amount of luck involved, and often compounded by matchmaking and squads. Someone on Reddit gathered the statistics of match types and Domination type ranks highest in occurrence by a large margin. At this point, I'd rather take ground strike than Domination.
+zxbc Are you referring to Air Dom or Airfield Dom?
Edit: On re-reading your post, you're talking about the latter. Hmm. Well, on some of them I'd agree. I find maps with either a single airfield or 3 airfields in a row to be quite uninspiring, as they're most likely to devolve into the mid-map furball. The old 2-base maps - Peleliu, Mozdok & Winter Stalingrad, were far more interesting _if_ you had two equal and competitive teams, though of those we only have Peleliu now. The new-style 2-base maps where both bases are in neutral locations, Mozdok and Berlin, are rather meh. I do like Khalkin Gol though.
I've noticed occasional Ground Strike/Assault/Front Line battles going for longer durations now, though I'm not sure what's causing it. In this particular battle the few bombers seemed to be shot down fairly quickly, leaving the bulk of players committed to furballing which extended the length of the battle, though at no stage was either team actually trying to win the battle so that aspect of it was missing - and has been ever since Patch 1.29 when the "gremlins" script was introduced.
long5hot
Domination ticket rate is too high. Capping an airfield takes time, you need a lot of effort and then there's response time when one team caps it. I agree that most often the "bad" gameplay comes from mismatch in teams, where one team is trying for objective and the other is just derping around aimlessly. I think the one airfield domination maps should just be eliminated altogether.
Also, I'm noticing more and more games where premade squads of 3 or 4 get put into the SAME team. It happened so many times yesterday I basically stopped playing due to the extremely one sided games. I don't know if they screwed with matchmaking again or not, but it can get depressing.
+zxbc Actually I'd prefer 1 airfield domination be restricted to BR 2.3 and below. For some reason they work really well with earlier planes - I remember some truly epic Krymsk battles. With later planes though, they're a disaster.