She Made Her Father A Target In Her Deadly Fantasy Game & It Got Ugly... The Clara Schwartz Case
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Who's responsible- the puppet master or the puppet? Clara Schwartz, the "Chaos Lord," knew how to manipulate her friends through role-playing games. Her codewords and murderous RPG campaigns pulled the strings on her mentally ill friend, Kyle Hulbert, who was quickly losing touch with reality. This eventually led him to kill Clara's father with a sword.
00:13 - What’s Up Everybody3:36 - Clara Jane Schwartz
15:19 - College and Underworld
29:44 - Meeting Kyle
45:12 - The Murder (According To Kyle)
50:11 - Finding The Body & Investigation
1:01:44 - Clara’s Trial
1:13:17 - The “Big Oopsie”1:19:58 - Conspiracy?
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Josh is hilarious: “Honestly…. Kinda same.”
Austin: What weird anime are we in? Lol. 😂 Exactly!
They even have more grounded anime where there’s people act like this regularly and get looked at funny lol.
“I would not want Clara as my dungeon master.” 😭😭😭🤣
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Yeah , the crew is back! I love Austin’s Chuckle he makes me happy to hear his happiness ,And Daniel is his own when they pierce his silence he always has the different insight which makes him unique, and of course dynamic Josh makes his storytelling enthralling.
Why did I think Larping was a term used for people catching fish with spears? LOLL 😂💀 I was way off!
Live Action Role Play...
You were thinking of harpooning fish lol maybe harp /larp was were the confusion came in??
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Clara Schwartz was literally my grandma's name. Different person but 😭
Newbie here. I enjoyed this with your commentary. I also love that I have never heard this case before. Thanks guys! Subbed!
Hey Austin! My husband is a professor at Grand Valley for 20 years now. Go Lakers!
Grand valley alum, my ears perked up when I heard that😀
8:18 I was a huge Marilyn Manson fan growing up
I feel so bad for her siblings. I couldn’t imagine having your parent taken away after losing your mom to cancer.
Her thinking people are poisoning her food all the time that's a very common sign of schizophrenia I had a friend years ago who thought that & I mean he really believed that 100%
I’m huge into fantasy, I wish I had friends to try D&D! I’m actually sewing a final fantasy costume while listening to this so thanks for the content. Got Covid a couple weeks ago so idk if this costume will be done by the con bc of that hiccup so we will see 😂
10:12 hey. I was obsessed with MM and I haven’t murdered anyone.
Same
Yet
@@katymcgee4254 LOL
Same. I’m also very skeptical about the allegations against him.
@@courtneyc8303 I’m not debating that he’s a shitty person. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the allegations were true. Even when I was a teenager if given the opportunity to hang out with him, that would have been a solid hell no. But I still love his music.
Lol im triggered...Many people have said MM is a really good person. And I don't think any of the charges stuck. Alot of wealthy celebritieshave been wrongly accused. I was definitely into MM in HS. I don't think you should be able to use Music or video games to justify bad behavior.
When there are that many r@pe accusations I can’t believe they’re all fake.
Agreed!
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Same here. It was his intellect and personality that made me fascinated by him. His music on the other hand had to "grow" on me but right now I can consider myself a fan. I mean, he's a cool human who makes cool stuff, why dislike him just because his music is not in their taste? LOL
Me and friends will do stuff outside of the games as characters. Like enjoying an escape room in character or taking a wild dog on a walk. We think it's fun but we always know when we are and aren't role-playing
Josh: "She wrote a cheque!"
Me: "but Josh, sending cash in the mail is illegal!"
(He probably actually said "check", but as a Canadian Grammar Nerd I am incapable of spelling it that way. I'd much rather type out this big explanation.)
It's cheque in Australia too 👋
@@bunyipdragon9499 All of us British colonies...
That's b.s she should be the one held most accountable she manipulated a schizophrenic. I dont know about the files though it makes me think twice about abuse but who knows. The only way to tell is if the abuse material was in one go or on going over time only way to tell and they didnt release that detail but even then who knows.
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as someone who is SMI (severely mentally ill, it's a designation that functions the same as disability programs) I am beyond enraged that he was taken advantage of like that. to play on someones hallucinations and delusions like that is incredibly fucked up. he did not deserve the sentence he got.
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Like what gypsy rose did to Nick
@@Kian1717 I feel like there's a lot more nuance to the Blanchard case bc she was being abused her whole life, which can create delusion. it's hard to know if she intentionally took advantage of him or legitimately saw him as her knight in shining armor, but Nick didn't deserve his sentence either. how these cases don't fall under the insanity plea is a mystery to me. it just shows that those in the legal system don't actually understand mental illness. delusions can last a long time, so premeditation isn't entirely relative.
Siblings are not always going to know if another is being abused. And, most of the time when people "go to authorities" regarding abuse IT DOES NOT HELP. Unless someone comes forward to corroborate her accusations, it will be hard to know the truth. She could be lying. But none of the points you brought up meant that she had not been abused.
Exactly this, there’s been a plethora of cases of children going to police who are scared to go back home and saying they’re being abused only for the police to take them back home because they’re underage and they listen to the adults who say they just run away a lot or lie for attention. Eventually these kids don’t go back to police because why would you if you’re not being believed and brought back to your abusers
Yes but at the same time it's awfully convenient that 90% of the time when a woman is accused of a serious crime she instantly says "I was abused" when she never had said that before.
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Fun fact, after the lawsuits with Marilyn Manson, information has come out that proves a lot of people were not being honest about their statements. I support all victims & just wanted to put that out there
Or every one wasn't being honest
Talking about LARPing always makes me think of the movie "Knights of Badassdom" with Peter Dinklage, who is high on shrooms for the whole LARP. Amazing.
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I wouldn't say that the father was abusive, I would say that he was probably more neglectful, for lack of a better term, when it came to how he treated Clara and that he didn't really try as much as he should have to understand how she was feeling and her whole mental state around her mother's death and the loss of that important matriarchal relationship
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For clarity sake..marilyn manson was not only found not guilty 2 of the so called victims came out and told the truth that the one main chick conned them into accusing him falsely because she was scorned ex....look it up
If you have symptoms of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder then you have schizoaffective disorder. It would not be classified as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. It becomes one disorder.
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Considering your content it may sound strange, but your videos always gets me in a better mood. I love your sense of humor.
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The music/musicians someone listens to should not be blamed for their behavior or crimes. Same with movies, video games, etc. The vast majority of people are not going to listen to MM and take it literally. Such an antiquated way of thinking.
He fought the charges against him, and WON!
Yep
Yes, besides, Marilyn Manson has proven his innocence against said allegations, and shown he has been defamed. Details are still in his instagram biography, I think, outlining.
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The movie knights of Badassdom is a good example of larping. 😅 I love this movie, y’all should check it out, it’s really funny!
I love watching you guys and how you tell these stories. Also watch mile higher, Kendall’s podcast. Please keep up the good work!
"I'll cut the turkey" 😂
Can’t believe I had never heard of this being I live 20 minutes away from where she went to school! Seriously a crazy case!
I played D&D for 14 years with the same group. We started in high school. People would come and go to learn and stuff. Our library (where we use to play) started a kids group and had my group come and talk and teach the basics.
There were 5 of us all together, the base group
👌 nice
31:20 - okay so.. swamp sniper does larping events. But for airsoft. It’s so nerdy but looks so fun. The Wild West playlist is actually a good one to see just how deep into character ppl go lol it’s crazy
Lol Josh bringing up Sorry!, we are ALL that pawn Josh. It’s the best game other than monopoly to really tear a family game night to shreds 😂
Also “MEOW” 😂💀
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As a Hungarian a little heads up for next time if you ever see a similar word like the Ördög. The ö sounds like when you say these words: burn or bird. Ördög means simply the devil and we even use it as a family name too.:D
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There's a not very well known case in Bardstown ky(you know the town with the Bardstown murders). Back in the 80s at a tiny toy soldier museum a guy murdered a girl over dungeons and dragons with a sword.
this takes place in the town im from and i had NOOO IDEA about this case... so crazy an weird to think about.
Like my kids' dad always said, "Leave home now while you still know everything".
The conspiracy theory in the end was mind boggling. It’s so weird!
Loudoun county listener! Know this area really well and never heard this case before!
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Austin is back!! 🖤🖤
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Whhyyy??? I’m completely serious when I say at least 20% of all true crime cases I have seen have had the murderer from Virginia or had been station in VA or it happened in VA or something!! I’m lived here my entire life. Been to that area many times. I’m ready to move lol. People are crazy here!
I was trying to find information about what they were talking about with marilyn manson. does anybody have information?
There’s a documentary on hbo with Evan Rachel wood
Me currently chillin in Loudoun county 👀
LARPing - what civil war battle replaying is but they don't know it 😂
Ha! The sex in front of people part... thats happened to me (where people at the party just fully start going after it)... both times this was SO normal to them they thought I was "weird" and a prude for not being down... this was so "normal" to them. Huh.
That has to be some sort of assault charge
That is not how consent works 🤦♂️
Oof. This is like 15 minutes away from where I live. Creepy. The amount of cases I hear in VA and WV is concerning
Couldnt get into this one.Hasnt happened before .Going to try again
World's greatest distraction show!
a large fallis... good for him BAHAHAHHHA I spit my drink out on that line
She might as well have written murder supplies in the check memo line.
Grand Valley STATE university is NOT a community college lmao. Cmon now
I missed where the relatives suspected SA towards Clair
I love Daniel, getting involved . And finally able to see Daniel 😊
I have the thyroid disease and I can promise you that I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY THOUGHTS OF KILLING MY PARENTS NOR THOUGHTS OF BEING ABUSED BY MY PARENTS. So her uncle or whatever saying “her hyperthyroidism caused her to act that way” IS DELUSIONAL
Depends on if you faithfully take your meds. My doc stressed it can have major effect on your mood.
I too have a Lord of the Rings Monopoly game😂 I also play DnD, have for a few years now. Even tried dming once… ended up with 3 rouge’s and a cleric… instead of rescuing the kidnapped son of the mayor they threw a rave with the kidnappers😅
What I would do to watch the 3 of you playing LoTR RISK or Monopoly for an episode 😂
She is the brain and he was pinky