REVIEW PT.2 | Moza R9 Direct Drive & GS Formula Wheel - Software & Driving Tests
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Today we're continuing our review of the Moza R9 Direct Drive Sim Racing wheel and GS Formula Style steering wheel with a detailed look at the PitHouse software, as well as the all-important driving experience!
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Intro: 00:00
Pithouse Software Overview: 00:24
R9 Wheel Base Configuration: 4:14
GS Steering Wheel Configuration: 16:06
First Impressions: 23:03
Fine Tuning: 33:22
Driving Experience: 37:15
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I purchased with your code! excellent review!
Thanks for the support John. Let us know how you like it once you’ve had some time with it :)
@@boostedmedia 🤔If I want more game details. Should I buy R16 or R9? thanks
Great video. Waiting on my R9 to arrive so watching this 3 part series is my pre-arrival homework. A lot of great info which will indeed help get me up and running quickly.
Part 2 was worth the wait! Good call moving to this 3 vid style .. i think it works well and hopefully will benefit you as a creator as well as us viewers!
Thanks mate. We’ll trial it for a while and see what happens. So far Part 2 has pulled 60% of the hourly views from Part 1 which is what I feared might happen. But we’ll give it some time.
@@boostedmedia Yeah hopefully the community appreciates what you are trying to do!
@@boostedmedia I wasn't sure how the 3 part video was going to pan out, but after watching part 1 and 2 I think I really like this format, the main reason is that it appears you can now spend more time in detailing your review in greater depth, less hurried one might say, ok so you are maybe going to lose a percentage of the viewers to those who will only want to watch certain parts of the review, but it is horses for courses as they say, great work and video once again from a trusted CZcamsr who is known for not fudging the reviews and telling it like it is.
Keep em coming please
Let's go!!! Looks like a quality bit of kit so be interesting to see how it performs.
Love your work Will. Any chance u can share your saved file for the setting and adjustments you made to make the wheel feel good.
24:52 Nice sneaky edit. The QR-ring didn't snap into place yet.
As always. Good stuff.
The future looks promising. In a few years ill upgrade my setup and hopefully the DD-bases are down in price and including pedals and a wheel. (looking at you Fanatec DD GT) Hopefully more support for console as well.
Your wish came true today
@@jacooosthuizen3593 It did? They have console support now?
I feel you on prices since I mainly use gt7 on ps5 I opted for the Logitech pro dd wheel and pedals. It was a huge step up from the g923 I had but about 1000$ more expensive all together it’s about 1368$
Hi guys first of all continue everything you do is great. I wanted to know following your CSL dd vs moza R9 video. I just made the change for the R9 would it be possible to have your settings of the R9 on the different simulations especially iracing and assetto corsa. Because you mentioned that if have not touch the setting have not take advantage of all the potential of the hardware. Thank you very much
Hey will great vids just ordered my r9 gs and pedals from moza. Was hoping to try your settings when I get my gear. Any chance of sharing your set up saved file.
Loving the reviews, was wondering if you would ever consider reviewing an innato wheel or button box?
Never heard of it. I’ll check it out :)
23:29 Hello, where have you bought your support plate? It is adapted to the fanatec side mounting (from simlab) and i found it better than the big wheel plate that we can by (on Simlab as well). Thank you for your help.
Excellent review again mate, you didn't miss a thing as usual. I hear you talking about the movement in Fanatec QR's quite a bit when compared to other wheels and I gotta say, mine is as solid as a rock, literally zero movement at all. Must've been one of the luck ones. I love the look of this wheel and base, could end up being a future purchase one day. That GS wheel is god damn sexy and I must agree, that start up process is really nice. How did you find the phone app while driving? Quick and responsive?
The phone app works just fine. You certainly got lucky if you have zero movement o. Your Fanatec QR. I have at least 20 Fanatec wheels and 5 bases and every combination has at least a small amount of movement.
@@boostedmedia I must me super lucky then. There is a small amount of flex but that is in the steering wheel itself, not the QR.
@@boostedmedia Quick update: Luck ran out 6 months ago when the movement in the QR started to appear and then 3 months ago the knocking sound started when chasing direction rapidly. Strange that it took so long to appear in my particular setup.
Thx for the review. But there are difference with Simagic a lot now a days. as i try it, it's a great price for an entry level. 😜
Hi Will loving the review! Just a quick heads up about the Alcantara being the same; Alcantara should always the same, since it's the brand / company's name and not the type fabric.
Very good point! I’m my mind I was thinking suede. But you’re spot on.
Hey Will awesome reviews as always mate👍. Quick question the rev lights, are you able to change them from the stripe display to individual leds. I know it's subjective but I prefer the individual look as opposed to the stripe, not a deal breaker as I'm going to purchase one shortly and now that I know you are an affiliate it will be through you. 😁👍
Hey mate. As far as I’m aware it only has the two modes demonstrated in the video.
@@boostedmedia righto no worries as I said not a deal breaker, maybe in a future software update we may have the option guess we'll see if anyone else asks for it. 👍
Hi Will,
Thank you for your great and detailed review.
One question: is it possible to use a wheel from different brand, e.g. Ascher, Gomez etc. On that base?
I think there won't be a chance to connect other wheels via Bluetooth or using the inductive connection, but the base should still be able to detect the right wheel angle, correct?
So it might be a more "universal usable" base, like a simucube, instead of a fanatec base?
For sure, it needs an additional software for the different wheels.
Am I right?
Thanks for your time and take care!
Yep the base works with no rim attached, so you will just need to find an appropriate QR and any wheel that connects to your Pc directly will work fine.
Good review.
May I ask what encoder pulse width is and how it affects steering? Also would you be so kind as to explain paddle threshold.
Please.
As shown in part 1, it uses a hall effect sensor rather than an encoder for determining the rotor's relative position. I'm not sure on the resolution but it certainly doesn’t feel lacking compared to alternatives in the same price bracket. Paddle threshold felt fine to us. We opened the paddle module up in part 1 but couldn't determine if they are microswitch based or using a hall effect sensor for the upshift and downshift. I believe they are microswitches. The magnet is strong enough that they operate with a nice positive click. I'd say about on par with Fanatec's magnetic paddle modules albiet noisier (although they do include some rubber stick on pads to quiten them down).
im thinking of getting an r9 but i have a playseat challenge now so im not sure it will be stable... have seen things about reinforcements but don't know if it is worth reinforcing or just upgrading the seat
Hey Will, very good and interesting walk through the features and options. May I correct you on one point though. At 9:20 you state that the FFB intensity in the controller software works as a multiplier on top, which is not correct. The value in the controller software represents the maximum force (nm) that the controller software limits the wheel to and the sim can address. The FFB gain in the sim tells you what percentage of that controller software value is used by the sim. So the value in the sim is a multiplier, but one between 0.0 (0%) and 1.0 (100%).
So to get maximum without clipping, you should raise the FFB strength in the controller software to raise the usable range (dynamic range) of the Wheel and limit the gain in the sim to some value which suits you. If you limit the maximum range in the controller software to e.g. 60% you are decreasing the dynamic range of usable FFB strength, like replacing a 9nm wheel with a 5.4nm wheel.
With budget entry level wheels like Logitech 920, TM150/300, etc which are all below 4nm the electric motors are not capable of sustained max torque and therefor it is recommended to have the max FFB strength in controller software below 100% to avoid fading which feels like clipping. In a long corner with high speed force you feel the resistance of the wheel and if it operates and near maximum due to those small dynamic ranges of those wheels at the end/exit of such a corner it can happen that you wheel can't give you any more detail of hitting curbs or street imperfections/bumps because of the fading. Which to the driver seems like clipping.
DD Wheels do not suffer fading, so do not limit the controller software force in order to avoid clipping, you are just limiting the dynamic range of your wheel.
This needs to be pinned.
Feedback is always welcome so thanks for taking the time :)
I understand what you're saying and you're right in what you're describing, but I think you may be confused between "Game Force Feedback Intensity" and "Maximum Output Torque Limit". The Maximum Output Torque Limit works as you're describing, but the intensity adjustment appears to operate as an amplifier, essentially scaling the entire output signal from the game up and down from 0 to 100%, rather than just capping the dynamic range (which is what the Maximum Output Torque Limit" does). That's my interpretation anyway and matches what we were feeling and what was shown in the output graph. To us it felt exactly the same as turning the gain up and down inside the game. I could be wrong of course. In any case, "Multiplier" was definitely not the best word to use. No disagreement there.
@@boostedmedia Oh I get it now, after reading your comment and checking back in Moza Pithouse. So unlike some other, like Thrustmaster for example, they have two different settings in the software. One for max torque output and another for FFB intensity (the one you're talking about). Did I get that right or am I just more confused now?
@@RacingPotato12 That's correct.
I do prefer my new Moza r9 and GS wheel over all my fanatec stuff. Quality, design and feel wise definitely a step up. To me quality of fanatec stuff has come down over the years. Will still use my clubsport pedals, shifters etc as those are still good. But base, steering wheel quality and quick release Moza and I think also simmagic is better.
I am having trouble deciding. Only thing holding me up is the fact the Moza pedals might not be on par with Fanatec's V3's. Having any trouble using Moza rim and motor and then Fanatec pedals? How are you liking everything so far? Im literally sitting here ready to click order....
@@sebbakoledis3447 you dont need Moza pedals. Using my inverted v3s. I also think Moza pedals go directly via usb to pc so not via base like fanatec. Dont see pedal input in base like my fanatec base. So dont worry. Overall very happy with my purchases. I do have a custom profile for each game I play, with some slight difference like correct steering rotation to match. Which I change via mobile app or pc.
@@-racingfan2014 just ordered R9, GS wheel and CRP pedals. Figured I’d keep it all in house. Can’t wait! Thanks for the input!
Moza R9 “quality”? Really? They seemed cheap to me. I returned it. I guess kinda like Thrustmaster and Logitech it’s purely subjective. I mean he does say “subjective” like 97 times in this review. Whatever makes you drive faster, right? For now I’ll stay with Fanatec, but they’re gonna have to improve their driver installation and all that. But I’ve not touched a setup that even pretends to compete with my podiums
Nice to see another DD base at that price point and the small size might be very useful for the desktop racers out there. This company seems to be going places for sure if they can refine things.
Did you end up fine tuning and changing settings for other sims? Thinking Assetto Corsa, Dirt 2 and BeamNG drive
Hi Will, thanks for the review !
Before I watch all of it: Will the R9 work with a custom wheel ? Or is it like fanatec where you need to buy the base and pair it up with a wheel from them as well ?
No you can use any wheel as long as you can find a suitable QR and the wheel can operate I dependently via USB, Bluetooth, etc. the base operates with no wheel connected unlike Fanatec.
@@boostedmedia You're a legend Will :)
@@Deniz1923 if it's not to late man, the bolt pattern is also a standard one for wheels. Don't remember if it's 70mm or 74mm PCD. One has screw points at 12/6 o clock and the other has them at 3/9. So you use the base and it's QD (the button plate) with a personal/nardi, momo, DND, ect wheels. If it's with the ES I think it is. Once of the non forged CF wheels.
you mentioned that you needed to configure a text file to tell iRacing that you are using a 9Nm base. where exactly is that done?
How do u use the Dual Clutch paddles in Iracing??
Thanks for your great Review. Was there a ghost-shift at 38:06? (3rd to 2nd gear)
No. Was me trying to downshift too high in the rev range and the car saying “nope”.
Does this or any other MOZA wheel support automatic/per-vehicle steering lock controlled by the game like Fanatec, Logitech, etc.?
Do you know if you will be able to use an actual nrg quick release with a normal deepish wheel?? Or if you need the wheel to register to be able to use it ect?
No it works fine with an NRG QR as long as you get the matching type. Doesn’t need to register a wheel or hub to work (unlike Fanatec).
@@boostedmedia oh that is fantastic news! That just made my choice on which one . Another amazing review guys✌🏿✌🏿
Do you know if their digital dashes for this base or just the R16? I’m thinking of getting the R9 with a digital dash.
Yep the R9 dash has released in the time since we filmed this. It’s a different model to the R16/21 dash
38:00 why was the downshift not working? When you are in 3rd gear you shifted down but it still showed 3rd gear. But you could clearly hear the shifter "click"
I was likely shifting down too early before the RPMs had dropped. Some cars don’t let you downshift on cases where it would damage the car.
@@boostedmedia that makes sense. Thanks
"Cold to the touch, which is cool." Well I guess it is haha :D
Lmao I didn’t even realise I’d said that. 🤦♂️
@@boostedmedia All good, that happens :) Just a fun little snetence when talking about rotary encoders :D
Aquece muito essa base? Em ralação as demais ??
I m thinking that, but i was like to see if they have DD1 test.? Becourse fanatec send me that dd1 was drop 1300€but i member that was last year near the newyear. Sorry my bad english, send me infomations if they have DD1 test.
Is there a way to adjust that bite point without using the software, like on fanatecs formula wheel you can adjust the bitepoint from the wheel joysticks. I have this base but don’t know if there is a way to adjust the bitepoint on the fly.
Not that I’m aware of except for the phone app.
@@boostedmedia ah okay thanks, is there a way to feed that back to them to see if it can be implemented in a future update so that it can be done via the rims aswell?
@@AdzzVR as mentioned in the video, I believe they are working on adding some basic tuning ability from the wheel itself so we'll see :)
Wat are is your recommendations regarding DD WIHIXH ONE THE BEST FANATC GT7 edition Or monza ? Can you help me with it
Discussed in detail in tomorrows video :)
@@boostedmedia sound good waiting …
Consumer market is going to be crazy like keep a lot of people broke until they snap out of it
This may be a odd question but if you use the wheel via a drivehub on a ps4/5 etc would the app adjustment still work properly or would it still need PC connection? . Not sure if you covered that as half way through
There would be no way to adjust force feedback as far as I can tell but I haven’t tested it.
So the app would be useless if wheel not connected to pc . That seems pointless as you might aswell use the pc software
I’m honestly not sure. As I said I haven’t tested it. The phone app may still work.
Maybe worth a check and maybe on future reviews as some people may want to use stuff on console more . Don’t want to add to your work load or be that guy , just a idea for future stuff.
that flex looks extreme on camera ..
It’s a really hard thing to demonstrate on camera because you don’t really have a reference as to how hard I’m pulling (hard). The wheel rim itself has a little more flex than I’d like but the base and QR are fine IMO. Certainly better than some other alternatives. Watch closely during the driving tests and you’ll see there’s minimal flex of any under normal driving conditions.
@@boostedmedia I know what you mean and I really appreciate your honest opinions and your style of testing sim hardware! But in case of the moza dd you are still paying a lot of money for all that gear .. with the motor, pedals, steering wheel and a rig + some extra stuff you are always up to 2000-3000$+, so this whole product category including the csl dd makes not so much sense for me. If the build quality would be more similar to a simucube i maybe would give it a try. Btw I kinda got an idea of how strong you were trying get that flex by your muscle movement 😂
I rather enjoy loud shifters 👌
yes
Will you Review the new MOZA Parts like the the new Whell, Pedals and or Dash?
Yep. They arrived yesterday. Will get to them asap
@@boostedmedia oh yeah looking forward to the videos. While I’m waiting for my R9 Wheelbase with GS Wheel
Good reviews
I am currently using Fanatec V2.5 gear but I am planning on going to a direct drive setup in the near future. Do you have any race videos
I might just go with CSL DD for the software and ecosystem. If I'm dropping upwards of $1,000 I think the aftermarket is better for Fanatec.
Absolutely 👌🏼 More options and csl dd very competitive price range
I returned my csl dd for simagic alpha mini (eating $70 shopping costs) using my load cell modded logitech pedals until I save up for a new set. I’d stay away from Fanatec personally, and a lot of people agree with me. The quality was really poor, and when I looked at upgrading to a better wheel, it was going to cost just as much as the simagic setup but with a inferior QR, paddle shifters, and much lower torque and weak bump stop wheel base.
@@clobbyhardy I disagree!! Have had nothing but good experiences! Own CSL elite and now CSL add with C3 pedals and all other F Products Shifter HB etc… it’s a closed eco system that’s Not just compatible with console but MADE for it!!! May not matter to you that’s fine!! But there Millions with PS4-5 that have no choice for a top of the line Wheel base!! Logitech or Thrust-master!! Both are Cheap Toys that should be avoided!! Now that CSL DD brings DD Tech to console there isn’t another option!!
@@iamzuesthisisthetruth8864 Well, you're in the minority then.
Have you tried to use the table clamp to see if it's usable on a desk?
They didn't send us the table clamp so no, sorry.
It’s usable on a desk, I don’t have a rig but my desk is strong enough for it.
@@boostedmedia Thank you Will ... Great review as usual!
@@AdzzVR Thank you for the answer. This product is really interesting. I hope they release a more affordable wheel like the Fanatec McLaren.
@@francisbeland8959 they have a round one coming next month, I’m looking to get that so I have it for drift and rally.
Usando essa configuração quando tempo segura o jogo até perder ffb por causa da temperatura muito alta? em uma semana já estou irritado com o R9 , não consigo usar a força de saída acima de 70% quando tento fico sem ffb em menos de 30 minutos e isso é ridículo... porque ninguém fala sobre isso?
cool
A other CZcamsr said that Base doesn't feel nice in ACC. Can you say something about that?
This is covered in our review
that movement in the quick release wouldn't be acceptable for me, it would drive me mad knowing its there, and id double down on that due to the movement in the shaft, the problem is any click, creak or movement at all would have me thinking in my mind when driving was that click the actual FFB or am i feeling some unwanted movement, i had the same issues with fanatec DD1 when i had one, i just hated it for that, i asked fanatec to send me a new shaft and they happily did, i tried 3 different Z-rings which were suppose to solve the issue but they really didn't, it was only when i got a simucube 2 pro when i realized how solid the quick release could be when done right, i have never driven a car in real life with any movement in the wheel at all and so it takes me right out of the experience when there is any kind of movement, i would take simucubes solution over any ive seen so far even if its more inconvenient and lacks the wireless power features. i actually have no sim racing gear right now i sold it all months ago now and ive been itching to get back in but at a lighter price hence i came here to see whats the story but yeh... just that alone makes me almost certainly not gonna buy one. i don't really like the excuse its all good and gravy when your driving like was the case with fanatec and its notchy sensation, if i turn the wheel and i feel the steps like you can on a DD1 however faint it is that's nothing at all like a real car and destroys the immersion for me, a wheelbase has to be almost real car smooth to turn without being actual hydraulic and solid so my arm strength cant wiggle it... if that's not the case in either one i wont buy it knowing some out there nail both aspects.
thanks for the review as always.
For us it wasn’t detected when driving but of course other units may vary. We wouldn’t class it as a dealbreaker but that’s of course just our opinion which is why we show it so you can make your own decision :)
The QR is made from a series of notches and a series of balls that fit into the notches. Ironically, there's a bit of play only if the notches are machined with higher precision, as uneven notches would lock and have no play. As an alternative, you can add any irregularity to one of the notch surfaces, like a small folded aluminium sheet, and that will reduce play.
The elegance of this (and simagic) QR is basically the reason I want this wheel.
Sorry,
Do you have any race videos using a moza setup on your primary rig?
I think that the base is amazing value, but the lack of pedals and a wheel in a package and the lack of cheaper wheels are sort of a deal breaker for me. And the total lack of PS4/5 support makes it unfeasable to most in the current PC GPU environment :(
They've commented on twitter recently that the cheaper wheel and pedals will be releasing in June
Not saying that GPU prices are not insane, but you don't need the latest and greatest GPU, I am still running AC, ACC, iRacing with my R9 390 (yes, a 7 year-old GPU) at over 100 FPS for 1080 screen. So you don't really need the 30 series, but I do agree that there should definitely be an option for a $100-$200 GPU market. But no, today you can get Radeon 6500XT for the same price I paid for my R9 390, and about the same performance too... You can get 1070 for about 150 dollars, and a friend is running Oculus Quest 2 with it just fine. Heck even my 390 ran Half Life: Alyx and Assetto Corsa. So if you just want to go the PC way it is not that bad as it may seem. About for about 650 dollars with a used GPU you can have a cracking computer. Ryzen 5 5600x with 16GB of RAM, B550 motherboard, 650-750W Psu and a case will run you about 500-550 dollars, all you need is a GPU. But if you want a more "future proof" computer I would get an 850W Psu and a quality case that you like and has the features you want (USB ports, window, drive bays, etc), so you only buy that once, and replace the Motherboard and GPU later on.
Can tell you that it wont be very long before a cheaper wheel is out. Been testing it and its mega good
The GPU environment is fine now. You can buy a 3080 for MSRP, we're in the home stretch.
@@syLLyTime INNO3D 3080 (which are kinda bad) is 1000€ (MSRP 700€) on Caseking (Germany), and 3070 goes for about 800€ (MSRP is 500) so not really. Maybe only for you, lucky basterds in the US.
Just got my R9 and my FSR Formula Wheel and realized I didn't order an "E-Stop". Is this necessary with this wheel, or can I start using it until I can get and E-Stop here if I need it?
You dont need this dude.
I don't think my PC has bluetooth so I'm guessing that's going to be a problem for the wheel. Would a bluetooth adaptor cause lag issues between the wheel and the PC?
The bluetooth is for connecting the wheel to the base. Dont need bluetooth on pc. I dont and it works fine for me
MOZA needs more affordable steering wheels and a shifter, then they are true competition.
Well , I guess they saw your comment as R5 exists :)
The discount code boosted no longer works :(
The bottom plastic part of the handle really hurts my palm...am I the only one with this problem?
If a wheel is clipping its software has failed. I’ve never had to turn down tv brightness because a blu ray was brighter than my tv could produce. A wheel base knows what it is and what it’s capabilities are
There's any way to make those "clicks" more soft? They are kinda loud 💀
You can put so kind of tape or something like that. If i'm not mistaken Moza provide that
@@mArvAlcao71 Correct. 4x 3M rubber pads for the forward click AND the backwards click. Though I had a hard time trying to remove the shifter spines -- the allen key is so tiny and yea.. feels torqued to hell. I guess tweezers it is for me.
@@mArvAlcao71 does the rubbers comes with the wheel or needs purchased separately?
@@gabrielguidarelli7031 included
I personally wouldn’t go for it and will stick with Fanatec system in similar price range.
Okay.
哈哈哈
Fanatec looks worse and worse by the day.
Why you didn't test in RFACTOR 2, the only one simulator around the world? ACC and iRacing are so arcade and don't use feedback as Rfactor...