Fanatec VS Moza Racing | Which is the BEST Budget Direct-Drive Wheel?!
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2022
- MOZA Racing R9 vs Fanatec CSL & GT DD Pro | Possibly the most closely matched direct-drive wheelbases in the market today, but which one is actually better? Today, I’ll be exploring just that.
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“Fanatec with all its years in the market has established an extensive ecosystem of (OUT OF STOCK) sim racing products”
I didn't know you sim raced, dude I've been watching your tld content for years now 😅
out of stock = success tho 😬
@@henlienr22you better check their trustpilot reviews...
@@henlienr22 if it's not a deliberate marketing strategy, it actually shows failure in logistics and it could impact their sales instead of helping
@@kkyang7515 i agree, but still, they managed to sell everything they had in stock wich in itself means they did something right
I would really like to see Moza come out with some budget wheelrims, I feel it would make it more budget friendly.
I’m sure they will be soon 👀
@@OCRacing hopefully
@@shadowz1_071 they said so 👀
@@xenon2561 let’s goooo
They’re sales are gonna go through the roof after that haha
@@shadowz1_071 I was thinking of getting one until I saw the wheel rim prices
I have one thing I want to add to this review, I ordered the R9 and the GS wheel 2 days ago. I had some issues with completing the payment (which was an issue on my part, Moza had nothing to do with this) and because of this I had to shoot them email. They responded to both the emails I send over the last 2 days, within 12 hours. I have only heard positives things about Moza's customer support, cant say the same thing for Fanatec.
Of course they are quick with responses, it is a small company. Fanatec has had over 12,000 orders in a 17 day span from when I bought my CSL DD and went back 17 days later for another order. Fanatec probably gets close to a thousand emails a week for support and basic questions, etc.
@@Toutvids I guess it isn't that impressive for Moza to respond this quickly. But it's not an excuse for a company like fanatec to have bad customer support just because they get a lot of orders. They should expand their customer support team if that's the case...
@@Toutvids Actually, Moza is already an established company that makes camera equipment. They are new in sim racing, but they aren’t a small company. I just received my R9 and GS wheel this week. I emailed them to ask when my order would be shipped because the seven days of processing time they claimed on their website had passed by a day or two. They responded very quickly and my order was shipped and actually arrived earlier than expected. I’ve owned many pieces of Fanatec gear and they have a history of slow response time to emails. In actuality, I think Moza is a bigger company and that is why they have better customer support.
@@Toutvidsdoesn’t matter it’s still shit service
Being able to play at consoles is a huge plus from Fanatec. Although most of us prefer PC, it is cool to just plug in the base to a PS5 and do some GT7 with your other pals. It's the only reason I went for Fanatec instead of other DD brands.
Literally purchased mine 3 days ago, but waiting for a early june delivery :|
Hopefully it arrives earlier!
@@CH1K3N99 I decided to just bite the bullet and buy it a couple of weeks ago together with GT omega rig. The next week they we're sold out. It will be worth the wait my friend :D.
@@Sletjes101 ah a friend has the clubsportv3 with the omega, which inspired me to get this. The omega is nice, he had it on a rug, so the whole thing slides in and out of its hidey hole when not in use!
@@CH1K3N99 I did the same. Nice ikea rug under it.
@@Sletjes101 currently trying to buy myself a ps5, but didn't want to settle on scalpers. What do you play on?
Waddup man! Love your content. Been trying to get into sim racing and I appreciate all the depth coverage. Random side note, but you should add chapters to your videos. Cheers!
The thing I hate the most about Fanatec is that they don't sell through retailers while their own shopping experience and customer support are so shitty. Everything takes forever to ship and they ship via FedEx in the US. If something went wrong, it takes at least a week before anyone replies and asks for something I've already written in the support ticket, and then wait another week…
But Fanatec is the only one that offers PS5-compatible direct-drive bases, so I had to cope with them… MOZA products look fantastic, but I literally can't choose them for the same reason.
I am on day 14 of trying to return a broken CSL DD and am STILL waiting on a shipping label to send it back with ... its really bad
I've had the same issues on a RMA on a CSL DD. No feedback/response to multiple emails, calls to the office and the chat is only open for like an hour anfay, and they couldn't help either. Someone needs to do a CZcams review of their customer service.
@@geofflangdon4467 Yup sound about right. Customers on forums even say after they send in for RMA they continue to get no response and it takes weeks more. They have totally lost my buisness. I disputed the charge and bought a R9 a week ago.
You only hear the bad stories tho. I own quite some fanatec Gear and shipping was always fast and without problems. The one time i had to use customer support I had quite fast replies and no issues. It depends on your country ofcourse. But people say their customer service sucks is based on the bad stories. Which by the way i dont deny exist. But i dont think it's as bad as ppl say
@@Sinistic6 You right according to moderators on their forum their average response time 2 months ago was only 48 hours, but it seems they underestimated the popularity/failure rate of the CSL DD and now can not keep up with requests.
great video exactly what i needed getting into sim racing. Would this still apply even when fanatec has dropped their prices on cls?
A big thing to consider which isn't mentioned in this video is the quality of customer service you can expect from each company. I haven't heard much about Moza, but Fanatec's customer service since the release of the CSL DD / GT DD Pro has been downright awful. 2-3 weeks (or longer) response time for support tickets is unacceptable when paying this amount of money for a product.
Fanatec built these products to a price point that was previously unheard of, and they knew they'd need to cut corners to do so. Build quality and reliability took a hit as a result. Fanatec failed to adequately bolster their customer service department to handle what they undoubtedly should have known would be a sizeable increase in support requests, and now they are paying the price with unhappy customers and poor word-of-mouth.
Sure, Fanatec equipment is great...when it works. But when it doesn't, and you need help...ask yourself before buying if you really want to take the chance that if you (God forbid) need an RMA, you'll potentially be looking at 2-3 months before getting a working piece of equipment back in your hands.
Good data point. Idk if anyone here can help chime in with customer service of other competing brands?
@@dogboy0912 Fanatec customer service worked great for me.
Al relative to your own experience I guess. I’ve need them once and they reacted with 3days with a extensive explanation on what my options where.
A mate bought a 2hand DDpro witch had the update issue. Again, they responded within the given timeframe and they where able to help him fix the issue with a day or two. I have nothing but good things to say about their costumer support.
Answered me after 2 days, refunded me after 2 days of responding just so I could do another order
Their customer service and logistics issues have only gotten worse.
Great vid, was waiting for this one. The Moza GS wheel would sell me on the R9 if a had a PC. Console compatibility is really the thing I'm looking for. Moza is apparently in talk with Sony to get certification, not sure how it will go. Waiting on the Asetek DD announcement too, it should be console compatible. Anyway, we are living interesting times for this hobby and industry, so much choice on options.
comment here when u test it out and give us ur opinion on it
Ey why can't they get Xbox certification:(
They not getting it costs way to much money for them
@@robertcarr4172They have a bundle put together with Microsoft now. Just saw it on a Swedish website.
Great video! Love the production.
Do you know if the Haptic FFB quality difference is due to hardware limitation or firmware limitation in the r9?
Could just be the default / used settings on the R9
Each week we see new additions to the Software and Firmware on the entire Moza range, the FFB quality is improving week by week. When dialled in nicely the R9 is a really decent piece of kit.
@@benllewellyn1888 I'll be waiting for the budget friendly line up, and maybe a H-pattern shifter... 👀
@@NicOz42 Budget pedals and Wheels will be first, not sure about the Shifter plans just yet :)
You say the fanatec has a better feeling to the forcefeedback but the moza can be improved through future potential software updates so even if it’s not quite as good as the feeling of the fanatec it could get better given time
from what ive heared recently, the moza has better ffb than fanatec
@@mqt5now it Def does.
@@TreborsTacticscould you elaborate a little? I’m looking at buying either an r9 or a dd 8nm. Does Moza actually feel better now with software updates? And is it easier to use than it was at launch? Can’t find any recent reviews so I’m just curious.
You test on 2 different rigs [TR8 etc] which one was the better feeling according to steering base
Fanatec DD pro is what I went with, 100% due to platform compatibility. The GT DD Pro fully functions on PC PS5 and Xbox. This is the most important thing to me with a DD base as I don't want to need another wheel base or to swap wheel bases around when using various platforms.
Why would anyone race on a console
@@slackerZ1 because pc's cost too much to build, the pc game selection is ass and pc games take way too much effort setting up for everything to work
@@dukedub I will agree that the pc cost much more to build but the game selection on PC blows the console out of the water not to mention the amount of games that are years old but still kept fresh with 3rd party and community content which is not allowed on consoles.
Then take into consideration that consoles severely limit your choice of peripherals to only licensed to the console options and if you are a flight/space sim player or even race sim player your choices of plug-n-play gear is so limited as compared to what is available it is a joke.
Do not even consider many VR headset options that also are not console compatible.
So yes, console is cheaper but the experience and options are also very limited as compared to PC gaming as well.
@@slackerZ1 because I have friends that don't have a $2k+ pc like me. I doubt that the majority of fanatec users that care about console support are playing on console exclusively or even most of the time... It's just about having the OPTION. When these companies start offering cross play on everything it won't be an issue.
@@slackerZ1 this dude like hates consoles lmaoo not the first time I seen him bash them lmaoooo mommy and daddy's money is real with this loser 🤣🤣
i love the GS GT wheel from moza cuz it just looks so perfect. But i want moza to make an equivalent to the podium or universal hub V2, so we could for example have a 350mm wheel for ets2 or ats2 WITH mapable buttons on the wheel. And other such games where racing isnt the priority. In general I really want Moza to bring out an arrangement of new wheels.
TL;DR: need more wheel rims, hyped for the future of MOZA
hai apportato modifiche all'equalizzatore nella pit house? per migliorare i dettagli del FFB
Oscar! i urge you to do another comparison, since the moza r9 has gotten so much better with firmware updates, and also throw in the T818 for a good comparison, also where are my iracing videos, i wanna watch you mess up on track so i can feel better about my driving capabilities :)
3:23 can you use Thrustmaster shift with Fanatec wheel and base?
Buddy just got me a r5 and cs wheel for my birthday, moza has came a far way sense this video. If it’s comparable to his csl dd I’ll be fine
I'm really happy with my upgrade from my old G27 to my Thrustmaster T300RS GT Edition, but damn I really want to get into the Fanatec ecosystem at some point.
Unless you play exclusively on console, there is no advantage to go for Fanatec over other brands. I personally had a CSL DD on preorder, but that was before doing thorough research. Once I realized that I could mix and match gear I wanted, I cancelled my preorder and went with the VRS DFP. Since I knew I mainly wanted to play rally and simcade type stuff, I didn't feel the need for a wheel with a button plate attached, so I was able to save a ton of money that way. In the end, I ended up spending only about $100 more for my setup (wheelbase, rim, pedals, shifter) for a MUCH better wheelbase than the CSL DD.
@@soloist80, I'll be 43 in September.
@@affliction1979Fanatec have some good deal now on their DD 5nm wheelbase with a rally wheel and dual pedals for €399. That is actually a great deal to get into their ecosystem. If you want it stronger later you buy the adapter and get 8nm. That is something I don't see moza offer, if you choose their 5,5nm you are stuck with that.
I chose the Simagic Alpha Mini over all of those and I love it, would love to see your review on it!
price gap between the alpha and these are big
@@SIRxxGINGER Well that comment was a year ago and prices were different. But the Mini is more powerful than both of them, and cheaper than the DD Pro in the U.S. I'd still make the same choice today
@fups1 lol until you end up like me and get quoted for an almost $700 shipping price. Not worth it
Moza will improve the ffb with in time though firmware updates there just very new to the market. In canada the moza R9 with GS rim is cheaper than the csl dd bundle. Fanatec csl dd also has a reinforced fibreglass shaft that goes from the motor to the qr shaft instead of a metal one that a lot of people have had break maybe something fanatec will change out in the future to metal.
im a Canadian and this really help me decide, I was on the fence to be honest. Any other advice for the moza r9, thanks in advance :)
@@eclipsedigi moza is junk str8 up
I have had my Moza R9 and GS wheel for a few weeks now and i am loving it, The Pit House makes it so easy to dial in your own settings and as for the wheel price? if you compare the V2.5 and add a podium shifter and quick release you will be surprised about the price as the GS already comes with quick release and dual paddle shifters. In the end im happy whit what i received and enjoying it
What sims have you been able to use the R9 in? :0
@@halk538 dont know what your playing but i use it in I Racing and ACC
@@garybond3388 I tried using it in Automobelista2 and F1 2021 but both games didnt work :c
@@garybond3388 Oh and I did try ACC, but that also refused to work with the R9 :/ any chance you could help me out via discord?
@@halk538 make sure you have the latest firmware installed(in the Pit House) and restart the computer thats all i did then worked fine
Hiii, every time i put my logitech shifter into "6th" gear on ANY car game it says i'm in "R" (reverse) and No i am not pushing the shifter down. Any Help?
I am on Ps5 and went from a T-GT to DD Pro 8nm and I am happy with my first DD experience. Have the Formula V2.5 wheel but hope they can bring a wheel with backlight buttons just like the GS wheel from Moza, but not at BMW or Bentley price 🤣 by the way, Moza is in talk with Sony regarding console compatibility..🤞
Does anyone using dd pro has a click feeling when you turn your wheel from left to right( when it crosses middle)
@@jaden4833 No I dont, but i did see some on youtube with tips how to fix it, if this is your issue czcams.com/video/OGtmFMF1KAM/video.html and czcams.com/video/vxdb5-RzgMY/video.html
@@giogamer4825 thanks for the reply. mine is not actually making any sound. It’s just a click feeling. Im not sure if it is related to the plastic quick release or same as the video you provided.
@@giogamer4825 and it only happens when I move(turn my car) my steering wheel from one side to another side ( the click feeling happens when it crosses middle)
@@jaden4833 ohh wait do you have the QR lite version? As i read allot of issues with that. Check on CZcams you will see. I have not tested the GT wheel, i did sell it right away and i am using the Formula v2 5 wheel with the metal QR
The video weve all been waiting for
Ask and you shall receive 🤝
How does the Moza R9 compare to the Fanatec today? I have read that they have improved their software quite a bit and I am curious if these improvements have impacted the driving experience.
Moza actually has stuff available unlike Fanatec.....
Same question
honestly after watching many reviews that were more than 6 months old i got the impression that the dd pro/csl dd have more detailed ffb, and the moza just has more power, but after researching a bit more a found out that is not the case anymore, now the r9 has better ffb detail wise than the dd pro. honestly i wish i could test them both but i am coming from the ts-pc racer and going to the r9 so i wouldnt tell the difference between fanatec and Moza
After doing reachearch of my own, i can say, moza is way smoother than fanatec csl dd...
@@mqt5
Hey OC, great vid! Do you think a driver like me, currently driving a logitech driving force pro and who has never driven a DD would notice the difference in ffb detail between the csl dd and R9? I love everything about the R9, the ffb detail is the only thing which makes me insecure...
Yes.
Night and day better.
3 vs 10
I'd say 1.5 vs 10. It's honestly a revolutionary difference.
@@robertcarr4172 Oh thank you guys, but I meant the difference in ffb detail between the csl dd and moza racing R9
@@Max__apex Oh thank you guys, but I meant the difference in ffb detail between the csl dd and moza racing R9
@@unknownsidewinder9945 oh ok. Na it's 1nm. You wouldn't feel a difference. Also have to remember that the software plays a big part. Moza has good quality settings with ACC but I don't think they are quite there with other games. Fanatec are more well rounded... so you should expect good ffb in most popular titles
Great review but I think the fanatec its better cause the flexibility of consoles.i got a g29 last year very fun but this will be my next move in the sim world next.thanks
i agree, but it is a matter of time until moza makes their wheelbases compatible with consoles , then they will definitely steal some market share from Fanatec
oc can you do a review on the 14 bit USB Hydro Handbrake from gmod?
I’ll see what I can do
honestly that white moza r9 looked awsome, u just have to match it with something else say white seat or table or whatever
Wanna send me them so I can confirm your opinion?😅anyway great vid as always! Keep up the great work
to me too pls thanks
😂
banger video, you probably guessed it but I am the happiest man alive
also i am maybe getting a TX leather edition
I know you didn't ask
anyways
Let me know your thoughts on the TX
@@OCRacing will do once I get it!
but now a fanateck 8nm setup would be cheaper?
Ali Express sells a Panatec 8 Newton Meter adapter for $20. No problem at all.
Actually getting a rim for the moza is so much cheaper than for fanatec, and the sheer amount of selection of rims and quality is on another level. Buy a qr for 79$ and a rim for 50$ and you could drive.
For the fanatec you need to buy the podium hub in order to have quality rims working.
i'm new to this. where could i find rims once i buy moza QR? thanks!
I can use my wheel from my car??
Every rim should work which has a standard 70mm bolt pattern. Every sports rim i know of will work
Dont think it was mentioned but you can change your fanatec wheel setting though the steering wheel... the pedal prices were not taken into consideration. Although its a non issue for pc as you can use basically anything available. Fanatec does have the entry level pedals like the csl load cedal pedals for 200 and moza currently only has the crp pedal for 499. Which was something i took into consideration when i purchased my csl DD. Was about 1000 out the door with the wheel base, csl load cell brake pedal kit, csl universal hub, and mclaren gt3 wheel . A moza set up would have been more like 1500 so i went with save a few hundred dollars lol. I do believe moza will have a excellent line up in the future.
Indeed, he talk about the mobile app for tuning setting on Moza but he don’t talk about the tuning panel of every fanatec rims (more comfortable that tuning with your phone when driving, in my opinion) that is one of the best feature when we talk about fanatec products, but no word about it in this review 🤔
Sorry for my bad English
Yeah, I thought it was a bit silly that he contended at the end that Moza was a better value, but did said very little to support it truly being better except one extra Nm of tqe 🙄. Fanatec is more detailed, costs less unless if you're pairing it with a wheel that doesn't really fit the same budget, and offers console support, not to mention a stronger ecosystem overall.
Moza is a strong contender, and may well be a better value one day when their options expand, but as it stands right now, you would have to be a pc only user, not care as much about detail, get pedals from elsewhere, and already have it budgeted to pair a $500 wheel with a $400 wheelbase.
I have to go for Moza, because they sell pvert retailers in Europe which makes it a lot more pleasant in terms of shipping and import tax.
Yea... but are they any good in ETS2 and ATS as these are the most popular sims to date?
Actually FANATEC does have a companion app now, which is cool.
Moza needs to release a few wheels around the $150-$200 range
Optimistic they will 🫡
New wheel out today!! Just ordered $718 total with coupon.
I feel like a major thing to mention is that for less than $800 tax and shipping, you can get the DD Pro non boost bundle that comes with the base, wheel and simple peddles. Where as with the Moza, if you want the base, wheel, and peddles, you are spending $1300 before tax and shipping.
100% true, right now only the higher end pedals and wheels push a bundle price about the Fanatec, not for long though, Moza's new pedals and wheels will be out shortly and will help to match the fanatec bundle pricing.
@@arniefunkel9341 through your local moza distributor is best, we have them at Abruzzi and so do many others
You can even get the 8nm or premium bundle (or the new F1 bundle) and add the boost kit and STILL be cheaper than the Moza. I'm simply not sure how in the heck you can come up with "the Moza is a better value". I think there are definitely arguments out there in favor of the r9 but very few scenarios where it's a better value.
@@lindigj and where can you even get the 8nm bundle for less than 600$ for the base? lol find me that link
@@lindigj I think you have your maths a little confused, with the SRP pedals and CS wheel the Moza is pretty much identical in price now.
Infact on quick maths the Fanatec Bundle is £810 and the Moza is £817 all together so extremely close in price.
I appreciate your reviews man as someone who had a 3 monitor full thrustmaster system and sold it but eager to get back into sim racing again I'm torn between the thrustmaster series again with the TS-XW or full fanatec just fanatec won't ship to my location! Thoughts or suggestions?
Thrustmaster T818
@@Joash-James if you want the T818 then the only reason you would get it is because you are already in the thrusmaster ecosystem, if you have a thrustmaster steering wheel then yes, go for it, but dont sleep on moza because they have thrusmaster beat in terms of quality and also the quick release system. i was thinking of getting the T818 to combine it with the 488 challange ferrari steering wheel, but i thought about it and it made sense to join the Moza ecosystem
Fanatec needs to do a fancy replica F1 wheel from either one of the teams. Also Fanatec is in Empire status because they have the deal with PlayStation and Xbox.
Fanatec wins and do whatever needs to be done to get one. There has to be a way.
DD wheel market is very competive atm I went with csl DD and its very nice so far
Since then is fanatec a budget choice?
Should also mension the normal Fanatec QR and the upcoming QR2.....
With a drive hub is possible use the moza on console? And use the full potencial?
Not drive hub but Ras1ution 1 and 2 enable the use of the Moza with Xbox and PS
Thanks 👍
Thou it's not an app, but you can do the settings on your fanatec steering wheel.
Why you would have an app on your phone (moza) when you can tune your setting directly on your wheel (fanatec) without left your hands from it and stop the car, pause the game/race?
Honestly my only question is is 5nm of torque enough or would I need the 8?
if you are starting out then 5nm would be enough, but if youre coming from the t300rs for example then you will definitely need the 8nm. also you have to factor in what kind of motorsport you do, if you mainly drift then you dont need something higher than 5nm, but if you compete in competitive racing like iracing then 8nm is absolutely the way to go
is the shaft of the moza metal or plastic like the fanatec
Metal
You're so underrated!
Hello! Thank you for this great review! I'm looking forward to switch to moza r9 from fanatec (csl dd) and i need to now a little detail, if you can help me! I want to now how csl pedals compare with those srp in terms of sound (when you bottom out the throttle and cluthch, and also when you release them). On my fanatec csl pedals i really needed to go with a 3drap zero noise mod because they were very loud(metal to metal contact), for my needs, at least... Thank you very much in advice!🙏
i would not recommend going from csl dd to moza because they are just so similar in terms of performance
@@mqt5 did it already! as a drifter, i'm very happy i changed. and i say this especially from ffb feel perspective. to be more explicit, moza has that ffb equlizer setting tab that when turned to higher values (300-500) it does a simmilar job as damper does (eliminating bad oscilation of st wheel), but at the same time it doesn't decrease the speed/responsivness of the wheel. So u end up with a very nice ffb that catches the car very well during transitions, etc, and doesn't do shaky wired oscilations... I couldn't get this out of Csl dd.
That's without even talking about other pros like: qr (much better) freedom of use of 3rd st wheels (u need only a 60$ qr..., not 200 e)
The Moza rims were that expensive 9 months ago? Dang, now you can get their cheapest rim for 180€ (ex.vat).
Does the Moza take a custom usb wheel.
yes it does
If you live outside the eu/usa Fanatec becomes very expansive due to shipping/taxes/vat costs.
Simagic Alpha Mini beats both!
No consoles however
Why is there a 100 $ price difference between the CSL and the DD Pro? I really don't understand..
Sony charges companies money to make their products play station compatible, you need a certain chip or line of code that costs money installed into the wheelbase or rim to make it compatible.
Those finer details on the fanatec are way more important than the added 1nm of torque on the moza. Also, you cannot side mount the moza.
That’s all software related and can be update with firmware updates im guessing. Hell some people hate Logitech wheels but never figured out how to properly get good ffb settings.
At the moment the CSL dd in Australia is $999 and out of stock, the Moza is $699 so really only the Moza is budget friendly here.
Can I use the sf1000 steering wheel on moza?
No
The fanatec quick release system has already been failing and the plastic cracks easily. If you upgrade to the better quick release it is an extra $100. That puts them much closer in price. That being said the moza gs wheel is a way better wheel than the mclaren wheel. In my opinion the extra $120 is worth it for the moza setup with a gs wheel. The price of the wheel is more but the wheel is twice as good as the plastic fanatec wheel!
Does anyone using dd pro has a click feeling when you turn your wheel from left to right( when it crosses middle)
@@jaden4833 yes, I have it too
The only advantage in December 2022 is the console play of fanatec. But for me moza is the only option. There are zero retailers of fanatec in new Zealand and large parts of the world. I have 4 different local retailers offering moza gear. I have the r9, crp pedals, rs wheel and gs open wheel.
yeah this is so fucking baffling to me, like Fanatec has a good name in the community, brand recognition and everything. everyone know it's pretty much the shit to get. yet somehow it's impossible to get in a lot of parts of the world (and where it is available it's sold out more often than not)
like is it just me or is this just terrible business?! like the demand is definitely there but they're just leaving it all on the table for some reason....
do they just not want to give up the margin to retail or something?!
@@zwenkwiel816 thats why the best thing that happened to sim racing is Moza, now everyone can get dd wheels at a reasonable and competitive price
Can I use steering wheels that aren't from moza on a R9?
yes, you can, you just have to make sure that the threads line up with the quick release
Fanatec needs to release the QR2 yesterday! The QR1, while decent, is getting dunked on by Moza, Cammus and Simagic when ever a comparison of their products comes up. That and they should slash the price of the wheelbases by $100 just to wrestle the value crown back from Moza...
But that'll never happen. Fanatec is going to continue to drag its feet on the quick release, and bank on most of its customers not knowing about the R9. I'll tell you this. If the R9 were available when I ordered the CSL-DD back in May. I'd have it instead.
Lighter and smaller are absolute wins for my needs.
I’m somewhat confused by your comment budd. you’re hung up on the fact that fanatec hasn’t updated the QR system. But at the same time you say you’d pick a eco system with only 2 wheels at this point. Doesn’t make much sense?
If Moza can release a cheap gt style rim and a cheap round rim they will do extremely well.
its coming in the coming weeks!
I think resalability is also a factor. Fanatec's prices dont change. Also the shipping for a R9 is 130 so gotta add that to the price.
You can buy a moza almost anywhere now unlike fanatec
"But hey, at least you can get one" lol 🤣
Seriously though i have a question: Fanatec csl dd was criticized with its plastic/non-metal shaft. Does moza also have this? Or does it use aluminum? I dont think it was mentioned in the video.
Tbh i am rather going for the fanatec csl dd ( a bundle) for a 5nm cus i can upgrade later on for 150 euros to a 8nm. But so much products r always out of stock it’s annoying. As a new customer this is not helping. If it keeps happening i am just going more and more towards Moza
How do you call those budget? I swear fanatec seems like a scam vs thrustmaster
well if you compare the dd options from now vs 3 years ago then youll understand why he called them budget.
The 9 mn base costs more than the 5 nm base, who could have guessed😮😮
People keep banging on about which of these things have more torque but I have driven many, many real cars over my 30 year driving experience and NONE of them real cars give force feedback anywhere near these wheels. Even those cars with no power steering are only heavy when parking. My point is, more torque is NOT more realistic, it is less realistic. Go drive your car after using these wheels in a sim and feel the difference.
have you ever driven a racecar?
yes but how do you translate the dynamics of the car while going around a corner? youd need a motion rig which costs a lot of organs, so thats why they use ffb to create those sensations for a cheaper price tag. also it is just fun
Obviously none of the cars you drove were a Superkart or a 90s Indycar because then you'd understand those things produce 30NM+ of wheel torque so your comment is irrelevant. And even in my real car, when I hit a pothole or the kerb on a racetrack I can feel the sudden jolt in the wheel and the spike of the "force feedback" in it. The point of the higher nm wheel is to have a greater dynamic range and to help you fill in the gaps of the feeling which are missing from real life (like suspension travel)
"Digging into the data, an IndyCar team provided Road & Track with a graphical depiction of the phenomenon. Using a torque sensor installed in the steering column, teams use the information to quantify the twisting forces being applied by their drivers. Here, at St. Petersburg, the section where the greatest turning effort is required comes in Turn 3 wherein rotating the Indy car through the quick corner onto the long back straight requires a peak of 32.1 lb-ft of torque from the driver.
On its own, 32.1 lb-ft might not look like an imposing number. The average torque rating for a lug nut on a passenger car wheel is nearly triple that figure, but with a socket installed on the nut and a long lever to apply the weight of your body to torquing the nut, the force required becomes manageable."
32.1 lb ft converts to 43.5 nm. And that's the modern Indycar which is actually less powerful and more controllable than the older ones. There isn't a single wheelbase on the planet that can replicate those forces yet. So stop spreading your bullshit misinformation.
It would be great if Fanatec would restock the 5nm version and stop forcing users to pay an extra $100 for the 8nm version just because it works with Playstation
Another thing about fanatec is that it has a large amount of 3rd party gear for its wheelbases!
For me since I have not used a PC except at work for 15 plus years I am disappointed that I am not able to use Moza products
I almost stop your vidéo when you said that moza do not work on console. I need my xbox support also. Maybe the T818 will be my choice if they add the consoles support.
When I upgrade, I do have a PC, SX, and PS5 (with GT7) so unless Moza suddenly offers a cheap rim for consoles, I gotta stick with Fanatec. I do wish I could just buy the base for PS instead of the base+boost kit because I won't need the boost kit. Maybe I can sell on ebay lol
it's almost not worth buying or using with the 5nm. I would keep your 8nm it's that big of a difference IMO
@@dukedub I already have the PSU they use because it's the same as the CSL Elite but just with a 4-pin rather than a barrel plug. So I have someone make an adapter and plug my old PSU in. No issues then
i am stil waiting for some sort of ''standart'' so i can use every wheel on every wheelbase
Won't happen with fanatec in the mix, lol.
There is, any usb wheel will work on fanatec or moza or any other direct drive base. The problem is that you need to pay 200€ for the podium hub. But only 79$ for the qr for the moza...
@@azamat19 yes, usb is a standart.for fanatec, you need to have a wheel on the base or it won't work. I am talking about a standart where you just need to put the wheel on and it works on all bases. No extra steps.
@@F1iqpy so lets put it that way: 6 hole 70mm is the standard wich you can use on any dd wheel base with qr. Only fanatec requires 200€ podium hub to be compatible.
@@azamat19 ok. so all i need is:
the wheel
a hub for 200 bucks
an usb mod
and another mod so i can put something like the Formula Wheel from thrustmaster on my fanatec Wheelbase.
Well, ordered my R5 bundle 3 weeks ago, close to shipping. Paid $567...TOTAL! Don't care bout consoles or toy looking wheels....
well, if you got the es steering wheel then that is a toy, but if you got the cs steering wheel then yes, that is not a toy
you can just use the real qr-1 on the CSL DD aswell, which just clicks on as fast as the other one
I really like what Moza is doing. You may pay a bit more, but it seems you are getting a proportional step up in performance and quality over Fanatec. The McLaren GT3 rim is a good rim, for sure, but it's still a hunk of plastic. The Moza rim is something you could find in a real race car, and has much more functionality. 1 Nm might not seem like a lot, but it's 12.5% more available torque than the Fanatec. That's significant. It means you can set up your FFB so that you can feel the finer sensations more clearly without clipping the big stuff. The lower profile of the Moza base is also a plus if you want to get your monitor as low and close as possible. Just keep in mind that cheaper doesn't mean better value. I can tell you from experience that it really sucks to miss races and watch your rig collect dust because you had to send your rim back to repair a broken pin.
This is sort of a personal preference thing though. I prefer having multiple wheels for different disciplines and not have to pay $500+ for each. Not to mention for me a huge part of the "value" of fanatec is console support so I can play with my buddies who don't have PC.
I actually consider the mclaren's light weight to be a major plus since it takes less tqe to drive it, which at least in that setup narrows the gap between the 1 Nm difference.
I think Moza caters to a very specific crowd and can be the definitive choice for some, but Fanatec caters to a wider audience.
Still waiting for an in-depth comparison of T300 and T248
Coming… eventually…
...But why?
@@kurok1tenshi Because he told so.
since moza released a cheap wheel and your actually able to buy one because it's in stock was s no brainer for me
Fanatec all day. Sure the Moza is affordable but you also need good software to drive the hardware. Fanatec already has all that in place with a good echo system of wheels to pair the base with. I’m not even familiar with what moza has to offer in terms of rims.
Moza has two rims, both $500. And one set of pedals for another $500.
The Moza Software is already pretty damn good to be honest, its developing each week aswell adding new features and making it really nice to use.
Rim wise right now Moza has 3 Rims, All higher end. The cheaper rims to really match up with the value of the R9 will be available in the coming weeks, along with cheaper pedals aswell.
People had the worst experiences with the dd1 and dd2 wheels before Fanatec figured out how to dial in the software. These companies need user feedback to thrive, that’s how they get better.
Your voice always reminds me of ChrisFix lol
Console games are more arcade and less simulation, so I don't care about PS5 compatibility. All the software I care about, especially AMS2, runs on PC.
The fact Fanatec torque is transmitted by a piece of plastic that can break is a much more important detail for me.
I would go for moza but that need a cheaper wheel rim
Get a qr from ebay and an aftermarket car rim lol bam 100bucks and Ur off to the races haha
It’s out now, just ordered can’t wait.
hey oc i really love your vids and sim racing but sadlly i wont be able to race for a while because im positive for covid :(
Oh no! Hope you feel better soon 🥲
I Vote for Moza!!!!😊❤
Same. Fanatec won't ship to Qatar. Looks like I'm getting a trak racer tr160 also since I can't get cheap shipping on a tr80mk5
I have to use comGateway to ship Fanatec to my country. I'm worried I will lose my package, so that's a minus for Fanatec. However Moza's add ons are unfamiliar and expensive. It's a Chinese brand after all...
Fanatec is manufactured in china aswell, infact so are the simucube sport and pro models ;)
Moza had essentially aimed at a higher quality product than fanatec, the new wheels and pedals in the cheaper price bracket will be out shortly and will align the prices between CSL DD and R9 :)
@@benllewellyn1888 tell me you're a shill without telling me lmaooo
@@paulb2608 Not really sure what i said to warrant that.
i love fanatec and i believe they make great products however since they don't ship to my country i might just go with moza
you will not regret it, unless you are looking for console compatibility
Moza on Series X 🤷🏻♂️ Sold!
How is not locking down the base to be only compatible with their own wheels not a massive positive the Moza has over Fanatec?
Good luck getting a DD PRO
I got one last week and they are still in stock here in the US. so is the regular vsl DD.
@@whocares3252 out of stock :(
Its a little unfair to write moza off for the ff feeling being better because fanatec have better r&d
simply put its software and not hardware - the stock settings for the R9 are awful and will need to be customised further. With that you will feel just as much detail going over curbs and catching slides etc - Moza will be updating the firmware in the future i am sure. ps not a moza owner
the quick release on moza wheels is far better and included as standard for the fanatec you will be spending a further $120 for the quick release so it comes in around the same almost and the wheel from moza has a better quality set of encoders and buttons
Moza is junk man sorry
Forgot to mention the Moza has more controls and the knobs can be encoders and/or switches.
Does anyone using dd pro has a click feeling when you turn your wheel from left to right( when it crosses middle)
Why you don't show the key numbers additionally as a written text instead of just talking?
I dont think Fanatec is cheaper. because you compare 250USD Fanatec wheel and 500YSD MOZA wheel, but if you compare the Moza 500USD wheel and ClubSport Steering Wheel Formula V2.5 or ClubSport Lenkrad Formula V2.5 X, which are around 500USD to 550USD, Moza 500USD looks better and more luxury.
Moza built quality is a lot better.
Moza build quality is awful.
@@paulb2608 I am going to buy Moza Racing's R9 WHEELBASE and RS V2 Steering Wheel and FSR Formula Wheel and CRP Pedals, they are in the cart now.
Before I purchase, I am searching again.
can you tell me whats the awful quality about Moza Racing?
@@yuumetal2363 buy what u want man it's build quality is just not good in all honesty. It has no console compatibility, I would not recommend so many better options out there.
@@paulb2608 for long time, I was going to buy Fanatec DD Pro wheel base 8Nm and ClubSport Steering Wheel Formula V2.5 and ClubSport Pedals V3, but many reviews on CZcams say that Moza Racing build quality is higher than Fanatec, but Moza racing is only compatible with PC and Fanatec gives more detail in feedback from road.surface.
I probably wont buy PS5, so I wouldnt mind Moza racing has no compatibility with consoles. but less info from road surface is a CON to me.
what would you recommend for base, wheel and pedal, side brake and Shifter?
@@paulb2608 so Moza has awful quality because it does not have console compatibility? i thought good quality meant a solid build and a luxurious feel. but if you mean quality as in the features set it offers then also it does offer quite a lot. but judging from your comment it seems that console compatibility is a big deal for you. but my suggestion here is to not stop others from getting something they are interested in by tarnishing the product's image without any solid evidence. you should have told they guy to not buy it because it doesnt have console compatibility and thats it!
I remember the wheel was just a wheel when was this invented?
if moza can make a $200 wheel then its a no brainer to buy them instead. $500 for just a wheel is a tuff pill to swallow
100% Remember the current rims are really designed for the higher end of the spectrum ( the R16 and R21 that they developed before the R9) The new wheels and pedals to go with this entry level DD system will be released within the next few weeks and will bring everything in line a little better!