Francis Ngannou vs Tyson Fury is Not Competitive AT ALL
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2023
- Francis Ngannou vs Tyson Fury is set as a boxing match between the former UFC heavyweight champion Francis Ngannou and Current Boxing Champion Tyson Fury. Francis Ngannou had been criticized for leaving the UFC as the sitting heavyweight champion and Tyson Fury is the WBC heavyweight champion since 2020, but has also held the unified WBA (Super), IBF, WBO, and IBO titles. Given that this is a boxing match between Francis Ngannou and Tyson Fury on October 28, 2023, this doesn’t feel particularly competitive given how MMA is a vastly different sport to Boxing. Francis Ngannou was able to secure a large fight purse against Tyson Fury, but potentially hurts his legacy in the UFC and the sport of MMA as a whole. In this video I break down Francis Ngannou vs Tyson Fury.
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If Francis wins, he essentially has defeated the combat sports industry
MMA and boxing aren’t the entire combat sports industry. He still needs to fight Jon Jones
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@@boombox3819 I think most people understand the nuances of human communication.
@@Ebola-Kun 🤓
@@boombox3819 Jon will be scare shitless fighting Ngannou 🤣🤣
Jon already admitted he’ll lose to fury in boxing
Saying Tyson shouldn’t risk his legacy fighting Francis is the kind of thinking that’s turned boxing into a stupid rigged industry where everyone is 35-0 and none of the greats fight each other anymore. And the ones who whine about “gimmick fights” don’t understand that’s literally the only retirement plan available for the guys the UFC spits out. If you don’t want to see gimmick fights, push for Dana to pay his professional athletes more than restaurant managers.
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That's silly he shouldn't be fighting gimmick fights he should be fighting usyke for the undisputed title hence why no one once this fight
@@andrejohnson7181 how did you mix up wants with once 🤣🤣🤣🤣 that's a special one.
He offered Ngannou 8 million dollars to fight Jones you silly guy
@@kja6336 he offered him 8 million for a 3 fight contract, Not only Jones, and he also wanted insurance and better payment for other fighters, he got that in the pfl, he is also earning more than 10,000,000 only in the fury fight silly guy
This aged poorly
it did?
“Fury wins in a boxing match and Ngannou wins in MMA.” - The most obvious take of all time.
It's like saying Michael Phelps would beat Ngannou in the pool, but he'd have no chance in the Octagon. This guy is a meathead.
@@ACGWander Who cares? this is sport not street
@@ACGWander not a real fight when you cant even soccer kick people
@@ACGWander The idea that an MMA bout is a "real fight" is hands-down the greatest lie the UFC has ever sold.
I wouldn’t count Francis out Iron Mike Tyson is actually training him atm and that’s enough for me to think he might has a chance .
Here’s my opinion if you care to read. Jones VS Ngannou would have been (possibly) the biggest fight since Connor and Khabib and as a huge UFC fan, it really sucks how this all played out. Because now all we’re gonna see is Jon retire after beating Stipe (who is a fantastic fighter but no longer in his prime) Jon and Francis will tweet at each other here and there but the fight will never happen. Khabib/Tony situation all over again.
With any luck, Jon will fight Pavlovich before he retires.
@@JerkandDork I’d love to see it but I have my doubts
@@JerkandDork He said himself ngannou is the only person he would come out of retirement to fight
Dana should pay more. These guys sacrifice their bodies and minds so that dana can get rich while he offers the fighters pennies.
@@JerkandDorkfor real.
Ngannou's isnt expected to win vs a world champion like Fury. But all he needs is to have a good showing. that will be like a win. mcgregor didnt get tko'd until the later rounds and the media glorified his performance vs old mayweather
interesting take
indeed
It will be like you playing snooker with ronnie o'sullivan
Fury kos ko artists, Floyd plays peek a boo with his gloves.... 2 different styles. Francis chin gonna crack badly but he'll get a bag
Connor was much bigger. The only reason he lasted that long is because Floyd was treating it like an exhibition match.
Where is the update, Francis Did amazing and arguably won.
It's not about legacy, it's about payday. Fury has semi-retired and everyone's gonna be happy that Francis gets the payday he's been after (except Dana). As long as there's the illusion of Francis having a puncher's chance in this fight, people will buy the PPV. And don't worry, both of them will get fight offers after that, it's not that big a deal.
Both have arguably already carved their legacy so they've earned the right to do what they want, if what they want to do is put some money in the bank then that's fine by me.
and he has only 5 rounds to do it. beyond 5 , ngannou is an mma fighter. they only do 5 rounds
Ngannou may not get any big boxing fight offers if he gets seriously outclassed by Fury.
@@polarvortex3294 won't need another boxing match after this pay day
exactly.
I think Tyson will jab and dance around until a round 7 or 8 knockout, but just imagine... omg just imagine if Francis knocks Tyson out COLD whooooooaaaa the amount of red Dana's face would get lol "Francis, of the PFL knocks out GOAT heaveyweight boxer..."
I bet afterwards Wilder will say that he assisted in cracking Fury's chin
Maybe the best HW of the generation, not the HW goat lmao
I mean, I think Fury has been lazy and that's part of his motivation not to fight one of his real contenders.
So there is a chance that Fury hasn't been disciplined and could slip up. You have to think though that if Wilder couldn't finish Fury it's not especially likely Ngannou will.
But time wounds all heels. Maybe Fury will have lost that step and get caught. No question Ngannou has the power to put Fury down I'd he connects.
Wouldn’t call a fight dodger the goat
A GOAT needs to actually beat everyone. Until fury beats Usyk he isn't in the top10
Francis is basically a shorter, less experienced Wilder and we saw how that went...3 times!
Wilders 215 Francis is 260 walks around 290🤦🏽♂️
@@gorillagrumbles I was more so referring to the height difference. Wilder is like 6'7 and Francis is like 6'4-6'5. My bad. 🤷♂️
Doesn't change the likely outcome of Francis getting worked but he's getting that bag.
@@b-conn6624 wilders only listened at 6’7 I saw a vid with Francis and wilder in it and they looked around the same height
I mean I wonder what Francis will actually weigh in at. Francis in MMA was built to wrestle as well as strike and I expect he will weigh in lower than he did for his heavyweight UFC fights due to the training he's doing.
All that said, not sure what the reach stats look like but I would imagine Wilder has a reach advantage. Wilder certainly the better boxer and imo probably the harder practical puncher.
But Fury hasn't fought in a while and I'm not sure he's a disciplined dude. Always the chance Fury's not as slick as he was and gets tagged. I doubt it but I can hope for it.
Francis is shorter than Deontay but amazingly they have the same reach...
Just here after Tyson won a controversial split decision. I think we were all shocked on how good Francis did.
Fax man. Whoever really won this fight isn’t the baddest on the planet, and that’s okay. Love Tyson, but I was rooting for Francis. Such a humble champ and you know we love a good underdog.
Was I the only one who expected this to be close
As much as this is almost a certain loss for Ngannu i am just happy he is finally going to get his payday
Why? What about your payday?
Same hopefully he can get a few good shots in
I'm just glad Francis is getting a check but ain't no way he's stopping Fury.
At the end of the day, Francis beat Dana White. Which seemed to be his goal from the start.
Hell yeah. A fight extremely few win :p Dana can be a motherfcker! He can be extremely persuasive. To the point people still think Francis "lost" even tho he clearly "won"
I think it only 𝘴𝘦𝘦𝘮𝘴 like he beat Dana, because, if you break it all down, unless he wins or does very well vs Fury, he'll only about break even financially compared to what he would have earned if he'd enthusiastically continued his UFC career till the end.
@@polarvortex3294he is getting more in one fight than the entire ufc contract offered him. Along with his pfl deal which is much more than the proposed ufc contract
@@polarvortex3294 francis is already 37 at he doesnt have much to continue, if he does well against fury and gets a few more matches he will get way more than he could at ufc
@@sohamchitkara2643 You make sense, I must say. But my argument isn't just based on the future -- which we both seem to agree hinges in part on how Francis does vs. Fury -- but on the money Francis has already forsaken by leaving the UFC and not fighting for almost two years. He was injured for a while and needed some knee work, but if he really wanted to it seems like he could have gotten in three fights or so during the same period in real life that he fought no one at all. People forget (and also don't include in their videos) the fact that UFC champs generally get PPV shares, which in some cases are worth a shitload. Also he'd be fighting under a new and improved contract -- the biggest in UFC history. And at this stage of his career most of his potential fights would have been blockbusters, on cards filled with killer supporting fights. I think three UFC championship Ngannou fights are >= to one championship Ngannou boxing fight. And he'd have been more likely to emerge from the UFC fights as a fighting legend and with his reputation intact.
Anyway, at least 𝘩𝘪𝘴 way he gets to pursue his boxing dream and fight his mega fight for $$$. And he avoided the major disaster potential of not getting any big bout at all. Plus one classic Francis punch... and he'll be King of the World.
If Ngannou wins this, it will be revolutionary for the combat sports industry
The only think i disagree with is the future they both could forfeit. They both are approaching the end of their careers, so I guess it is a good opportunity for them, especially ngannou, to capitalize on their later years.
some ppl need to put time and work to dissertate on something obvious to everyone, that, and the fact that dana white is greedy director, Francis has the right to get the money he truly deserves. I'm happy for him. Good luck to both fighters
Francis doesn't need to win he just needs to do well enough so he can get more possible boxing bouts. If he doesn't get knocked out and looks decen, it will be good for him. Francis v Wilder would be huge. As for tyson, he obviously needs to win though he has said multiple times he has nothing more to prove. I truly don't believe he is fighting for legacy anymore he's just doing it because it's what he's good at, and retirement is mundane
well, hello darkness my old friend
I don't think Ngannou has anything to lose from this match. I mean he isn't expected to win. He just have to go distance and put on a performance and will garner a lot of fans in boxing.
It makes me happy for Ngannou because there's no real loss here. But sad for the sport of boxing.
He is a fresh noob. He will be a lot better after 10 boxing fights. But right now he is at 0. Bet your whole life on Tyson Fury to win. Easy money.
he is absolutely not going the distance.
He's making the right move and cashing in on legacy making money, the UFC needs to nip this in the bud now or this won't be the last time they lose a superstar in their prime.
i mean, if he survives the whole fight it will be incredible, but he is as flat footed as it gets, i doubt his head movement will be nearly good enough to avoid fury's jabs and i doubt he has good defence on bodyshots too, but he has power, lets see if he can keep his punches on a boxing form and not swing like a maniac like he did in mma
Lol whose here after they fought. Francis robbed
If Francis makes 10m’s for this fight he’s made more then he was ever going to make from ufc. It’s a win even if he loses .
Do not let this distract you from the fact that Tyson Fury is ducking Oleksandr Usyk. That's why he wants to divert your attention to him vs Jones in boxing or him vs Ngannou in boxing.
Usyk lost to Dubois .. He is irrelevant
@@Truhandle91 He crushed Dubois. If you think anyuthing else you are borderline retarded. He dominated the first round until he KO'd him.
@@Truhandle91 You're irrelevant
@@Truhandle91 and chisora wasnt irrelevant? ali wouldnt be ducking people the way fury does thats for sure
its pathetic. fury isnt a champ
A few years back now, when Tyson Fury first started talking shit about UFC fighters, he said something that stuck in my mind - "In a fight with no rules, guys end up with ears, eyes and noses missing". Fury was speaking from experience there. His Dad served 8 years in prison for gouging out a man's eye in a street fight. An apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Trust me, neither Fury, Ngannou nor Jon Jones want that kind of smoke with each other. They are looking to get paid, not permanently disabled.
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Its not so much about that as it is that Fury knows he's a boxer. He knows he lose to Jon's ground game before he could blink, it's even the same with Ngannou. UFC heavy weights just have too many tools for Fury to deal with, grappling, elbows, knees, kicks, all things that Fury has never encountered in a professional or semi-professional setting. Fury would get mauled against Jon and Fury, Jon, and Dana all know it. That's why Jon and Dana offered an octagon fight and that's why Fury turned it down. It has nothing to do with permanent injury, over a thousand people have died as a result of injuries sustained in a boxing ring and many more have permanent brain issues from concussions. You do realized that damage done to the brain from concussions (sustained regularly in MMA and Boxing) are permanent, right? There are plenty of fighters in both professions that have permanently damaged opponents, saying it's about permanent injury is stupid because by doing these sports alone they are getting permanent damage and are pretty much signing a contract that they may die as a result of injuries sustained in a match. Also, outside of a ring or octagon Jon would win, that is a very dangerous man
jon jones is a psycho scumbag he would do unspeakable things to tyson. I dislike jones but dont get it twisted fury wouldnt make it out there alive in a real fight
it aint the ears, eyes, and nose. Its kicks, elbows, knees, and submissions
@@le-phuongnguyen6181try your jui Jitsu when my thumbs are an inch deep into your eye socket, yeah mma with rules they win but that ain’t a street fight really, I think take away rules and it can always turn out different. Depends how far one is willing to go. That was fury’s point, mma has rules to protect fighters, but I guarantee there are street fighters out there that would destroy mma fighters in a fight with no rules
Basically Conor vs Floyd 2.0 heavyweight edition 💪let’s goooooo
it really wasn’t competitive. francis made history!
Yeah so ……
Fury got smoked
this aged well
Jon would make mincemeat of tyson fury in the cage and he knows it 😂
Fury would KO jones within the first Minute of RD 1 in boxing and jones know it lol. See how that works.
@j_o1ne483 exactly its all bullshit
People keep bringing people from other combat sports as if people arent gonna realise that it isnt a competition at all
The fact that Francis have yet to kill a man in the cage is amazing. His punches is just terrifying.
🤣🤣🤣
I dont know how it will translate with Boxing gloves, i think tyson fury will roll with the punches so the damage will be reduced even more. But it is going to be interesting match i hope.
Bear in mind, the people he has been dropping are not ordinary people.
He doesn’t punch harder then anyone else don’t believe the hype little boy.
Wilder hits harder than Francis and has more experience. Fury dusted him off three times…this fight is going to be like a cat playing with a mouse
If Wilder can't do it, Ngannou can't do it
Ngannou weighs alot more though.
@@hazeshi6779 Means he's slower
@@redpill8239 not necessarily. Wilder is slow and only has power
I think we can all agree on one thing here. MMA fighters get paid chump change for what they do. I was shocked at those numbers from the UFC.
There's a point that I think needs to be reiterated, and that's the fact that Francis has shown MAJOR interest in boxing. Fury has shown minimal interest in MMA. And on the largest of scales, the draw and appeal of Boxing outweighs MMA as a whole, and I would argue it would outweigh heavyweight Kickboxing, Muay Thai, and BJJ combined. Francis' skillset translates far closer to Boxing than Fury's does to MMA as well. We know Francis has a "punchers chance" against Fury that Connor didnt even have against Floyd. Fury has NO chance in MMA as you said. The only way for this admittedly intriguing matchup to even be intriguing is in a boxing ring. The best way for this to make significant money for either man is in Boxing, and the best way for it to be widely promoted and distributed to the masses, nationally and internationally, is boxing. Its the only way this entire thing goes off, which I still think is a net positive for both, even if Francis gets humiliated in like 5 rounds. He came back from a much worse performance against Lewis, there's no shame in getting beat up by Fury. Its a reboundable loss.
Please stop. After how horrible Nate Diaz looked you MMA fools still believe, an MMA "skillset" is closer to boxing? Did you see how goofy Nate's punches looked? If Nate was in there with a professional he'd be in a casket right now. You have to be 100% delusional to think a guy who's never had a professional boxing fight in his 30 plus years of living is going to beat a guy who's been boxing since he was 16....
Francis is a boxer at heart, it's his base style
Remember that Ngannou is a big fan of Mike Tyson! He was inspired by mike tyson! That’s why he wants to box
Well Fury's image is pretty much already trashed after sinking Joshua and Usyk fights...he is no way in goat contention any more than Francis, and in a lot of ways less because of the steroids pop after beating Klitchko. But I think for a lot of people the combo of hate watching Tyson to see him knocked out and supporting Francis in his new endeavors is the sell.
Pretty much my read on it.
Smart business for Ngannou and just cowardly nonsense from Fury.
I’m a big Usyk fan but he’s too small for Fury. There’s no one left to beat. I can’t think of another lineal HW champ to do that since Marciano. He’s by far the best of his era-far ahead of his predecessors.
@@mfa2471 no one left to beat? man just said two people who fury been actively ducking. fury is a joke
@@mfa2471 I wonder if you're counting Usyk out too soon here. Usyk fighting Fury would be an uphill climb, but I could see him doing to Fury what Fury did to Wilder in the second fight... outmaneuver and outbox.
I wonder what the excuse will be if he beats Usyk?
It’s really difficult to believe someone could be this wrong a hard punchcan end a fight quicker than any other method
Well Fury's got a punch too mate xd
Great video 👍
I don't fully agree, but really well done. I think this fight will result in more cross-over fights and bigger fame for both men
Francis nothing to lose but Tyson has. Cause of that this fight is really important for Tyson.
I’m a lifelong boxing fan in my 50s but yet again boxing in the modern era shows itself to be a total circus run by greedy little clowns. Yes the glamour and fun factor need to be there to attract the audience but now we are in the Jake Paul era and the real heavyweight champion not fighting for years then taking on a boxing novice (in comparison).
Thank heavens for real champions like Bud Crawford.
Exactly how I feel. Fury is just dumping on the sport. He should defend his belt against a real contender. Most likely this era of heavyweight boxing will be looked back on terribly.
Usyk Is really the only real boxer champion right now. He just wants to box. He doesn’t go around talking smack like the fury family does.
It's called prize fighting for a reason. Two guys are going to do their jobs and make a lot of money while dweebs online talk about legacy. The legacy they're concerned with is that their families will never have to work again.
That thumbnail is one of the best things I've ever seen!! 😅👌
You made some great points; however, this fight is very intriguing to fight fans so I think it makes sense. You are right though, who ever loses it will hurt their career but that huge payday will cushion the blow.
Your take couldn’t be more wrong.
Furt beating the UFC heavyweight champ matters a LOT to many casual fans and pop culture perception of MMA vs Boxing. It puts boxing back at the top (for them) and is an easy payday that wouldn’t be nearly as lucrative if fury loses a real boxing match, so it makes way more sense to do it now.
It doesn’t really tarnish his legacy at all, as he’s beat who he beat, how he beat them. This is gravy in that.
Francis wouldn’t care at all if this is a one-and-done payday given that he’ll make more $ in the one fight than he’d make in 10 UFC/PFL fights… and he also gets to live his boyhood dream while making 5 years of MMA salary…all without the pressure to win…. Where is the downside for him again?
You clearly aren't that dialled into the boxing world. Which is fine.
Ngannou has nothing to lose. If he loses he still made crazy money. If he wins he's a crossover god. Even if he loses he probably gets more boxing opportunities so now he's opened up a more lucrative market for himself. Good work Francis.
Fury hasn't defended his belt in what feels like forever. He's jawed a lot and avoided all the top contenders in boxing. This has already tarnished his legacy among boxing fans. If he manages to lose to Ngannou it will absolutely make this period of the heavyweight division look terrible. 🤷
LOL NO. Anybody who knows remotely anything about either sport knows boxing and MMA are not the same sport and the skills do not transfer. They are different sports. People cannot be stupid enough to think it's MMA vs boxing.
I wouldn't be too sure about that last part-- Francis is no Conor McGregor and Tyson Fury is no Floyd Mayweather, so I don't think this bout does anywhere near the buys or generates anywhere near the payouts that Floyd/Conor did. Francis will make a good chunk of change, but "more than 10 UFC/PFL fights"? Incredibly doubtful.
stop reading after the word casual lol
Who wins and how?
I don't think it's gonna be a sweep, but I see Tyson winning by decision, which would confirm his ability to overwhelm power with strategy and at the same wouldn't tarnish Francis's reputation. But if there's a knockout on the first rounds then maybe I give it to Ngannou... MMA's gloves are thinner and there's no counting when you fall, so his mental&physical states have fought and trained with that. A good liver blow or counter to the head would probably be more unfamaliar to Tyson than Ngannou. And I need to add that when he came to France he tried boxing gyms first and always dreamed of being a boxer and according to Cedric Doumbé's previous statements it ain't gonna be like Floyd VS Connor cuz Doumbé credits Connor for his wrestling skills not his stricking, whilst he thinks Ngannou's punch is a human weapon (je tape les gens pour vivre *french ref*)
So I'm looking forward to this fight If Francis wins then it's a revolution and MMA fans would stop caring about only UFC matches but other organizations as well
If he gets smashed then yeah it would probably place many obstacles for his boxing career in many ways even just mentally
Francis is gonna tire out round 4 - 5 and Tyson is going to torture him until round 11 and when he feels like knocking him out he will. Francis has literally fought nobody that can challenge him, he doesn't have a boxing IQ and has never gone past 3 rounds except one time for Gane and he was dying at that point. He's nothing but muscle, theirs a reason why Tyson is a fatty. Francis is going to get smoked and Tyson is going to put on a master class of boxing. I'm pretty confident Wilder punches way harder than Francis. I wanna see Wilder vs Francis after this.
Will Ashton Eaton beat Fred Kerley in the 100m ?
Will Fred Kerley lose to Ashton in the Decathlon ?
We've already seen how this goes, Mayweather vs McGregor.....
Tyson by ref stopage.
tyson fury wins by tko in round 6 or 7. I predict tyson is going to let francis attack early while he blocks and evades with head movement. Tyson is going to clinch onto francis and tire him out. Then when francis is tired in round 6 or 7, Tyson tko's him. Similar to conor/floyd fight except there is going to be more clinching involved.
Tyson is gonna absolutely walk through Francis
I wanna see how good his defense is
If Fury can resurrect himself from the hardest puncher ever then Ngannou literally has zero paths to victory outside of becoming one punch man over night
uhhh i thought Ngannou hold the record for hardest punch
@9one984 oh shit you're right lol.
I still think my point stands in a way. Wilder is a better bixer than Francis.
The only "problem" with Fury/Usyk is that the two best heavyweights in the world aren't really heavyweights. Usyk came up from cruiserweight because there was nobody to fight. I think he was still able to make the weight when he went up. Fury on the other hand is so big that he should probably be in a super heavyweight division. I don't see a path to victory for Usyk in that fight, no way to get inside and score without being sniped or grappled by a WAY bigger man.
You learned me something new, my friend
youd think so, but tyson doesnt agree with you. he thinks its a lost fight
@@tillburr6799 And he'll go back to being just a cruiserweight who never had a chance if they fight and Tyson wins.
@@ronmastrio2798 im a tyson fan. Its just i can see the writing on the wall
super heavyweight is an amateur division for 91kg up which is same as pro heavyweight it doesnt and shouldn't exist in pro boxing, secondly Fury has been knocked down and given one of his toughest fights by 'former' crusierweight Steve Cunningham, who is no where near the level of Usyk, anyone who knows will tell you Usyk who is a southpaw is in no way an easy W for Fury. Usyk is 6 ft 3 aand 220 pounds, he's same height as Parker and taller the Ruiz, he also weighs in roughly the same as or even heavier than Wilder does and he boxed AJs head off twice a man who is 6ft 6 so its kind of a myth that he's 'small', Fury is huge but smaller boxers have had success at heavyweight many many times against bigger men and personally i think its a 50/50 but Usyk would nick it
Tyson is gonna piece up Francis like he did too Deontay, you cannot kill that man, he rises like a phoenix
The way to get rich in MMA is to get popular enough to book a boxing match you have no hope of winning.
I think fury feels bad for Francis so he’s giving him a payday. Nothing wrong with that both fighters deserve it.
fury is using this to duck
Francis has nothing to loose and Tyson Fury has everything to loose with this fight. Tyson Fury won’t loose his belts but he could loose his respect as a champion boxer. People say it’s an easy fight and I would say it a risky fight especially now Mike Tyson is in Francis corner and taking part in his preparation and training.
I'm all for it, the two best heavyweights in combat sports colliding in their prime, in a once in a lifetime encounter.
Jon Jones after a coke binge and sleepless night in jail is 7 or 8 levels above peak Francis with little effort. That's not even hyperbole.
@@sheer_1 Ngannou has more of a chance against Fury in a boxing match than Jon Jones does.
You don’t agree with this fight happening but YOU WILL be the first person glued to the tv when it does.
Francis is the kind of guy who makes it against all odds I'll be rooting for him even if he loses this fight because I know he's coming back for a rematch if he does!
I love how certain he is about all these dudes 100% beating Tyson
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It's no stretch.
Have you ever watched Ali vs Inoki? Inoki couldn't even use grappling moves nor kicks due to bs rules imposed by Ali's team and he still managed to do some damage (and yes, it was Ali way past his prime, but who tf is Inoki? lmao). If Ali was afraid of fighting a Japanese WWE guy under mixed rules (they pretty much forced Inoki to fight that way by removing all his advantages), you think Fury would enjoy stepping on a cage against Jones or elite wrestlers? lol (Rodtang vs DJ is another nice example of how a top striker with no experience in grappling reacts to a wrestler).
Fury would struggle against any top heavyweight grappler simply because he doesn't train for it and if there's one thing MMA proved us is that there's no way you can consistently beat top grapplers on striking alone - at minimum you need to learn how to defend takedowns. And he could potentially struggle against kickboxers as well simply because of calf kicks or kicks in general, as he would have absolutely no real experience calculating distance etc.
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face is true, but grappling is a totally new world and so are kicks. Really, it's absolutely crazy to me how people like you actually think it's a stretch to put Fury as the underdog in all of these fights... Dude has no experience at all fighting grapplers and grappling is just OP. And kickboxers would have a small advantage because of their experience dealing with kicks.
@@calamorta yh all of what u said is all well n good but first off...look at chuck Liddell, bombs in each hand with a solid take down defence.
I know in MMA you gotta do it all now days but Fury's boxing skills are alot higher than there's
So if he can build some solid defensive foundations like take down defence n checking kicks n stuff...look at the size of his arms he's Mr Tickle. If he can start landing punches he can box em up for days.
N yh if he gets taken down by a great wrestler it's pretty much over
But if they try n stand n bang with him he will probably get the better of them
So yh if he goes in with a great wrestler he probably will lose or bite them
But if they try n stand he will have a advantage
@@bz93sa52 Come on man. Let say Tyson goes in the octagon with Jones. One oblique kick from Jones and the fight is over. One step in elbow and the fight is over. It's a simple as that.
@@9one984 I do think that Tyson talking about Jones is a bad call because Jones is one of the most complete MMA fighters.
But to fight Francis in the cage isn't as hard as U might think.
I boxed for 14 years, only boxed, then went to a MMA gym at the end and sparred all the fighters there and my good boxing actually served me well. Yh the kicks was different n I had to stop take downs but still alot of fights involve punching.
But no one step in elbow isn't going to stop a barbarian like Tyson, he's a giant for one and a hard man.
He ain't done p**** who's Gunna fall over. I'm saying he's a champion and to fight a champion like Tyson I wouldn't just rule him out.
It's like saying in a street fight Tyson would 100 million % loose. No
@@bz93sa52 If Jones just stay on the outside and just chopping Tyson's leg then yeah Jones will win that fight 10 out of 10.
Defending leg kicks is not easy, especially if you were fighting some one that like to throw them. Like Adesanya vs Pereira. Both were a top tier kick boxer, but look at how many leg kicks Pereira landed on Adesanya. He's a kick boxer and even he forgot to defend the kicks.
Dunno about fighting Francis in the cage tho, Francis will depend on his power most of the time, so it might be just a boxing match and we don't need to speculate about that cause it's gonna happen soon.
He is a champion. Therefore I can´t underestimate him.
I think its good to make this match both for the fighters and for the audience.
It's a way to say to the ufc, guys you shouldn't control the fighters and limit their options, you should respect your fighters they are literally putting their lifes on the line.
And for the boxer its just a way to make some more money and keep themselves in the talks of the day
The outcome isn't even that important really
People are forgeting a simple fact, Tyson is actually respecting Francis hustle of coming from nothing to something and in turn wants to reward him to set him for life. For Tyson there is very limited risk, sire there is a risk of being knocked out but hes not scared and knows how to keep himself safe and win the 12 rounds easy. Also hes sticking it up to the other boxers by hogging the belts and keeping himself relevant in the game, in all getting a nice big check and then assuring he has a few more massive fights. Going forward he is assured 60million for next 3 fights EASY. Mans a genious.
This fight isn't for the fans. It's for themselves, and the promoters/managers involved. Purely self interest and money to their pocket.
I think the Fury / Ngannou thing is uniquely interesting because of Ngannou's one punch KO power. The romantic underdog story of a guy with nothing but a 'puncher's chance' scoring a knockout captures the imagination. And he stands to gain so much from that miracle. People play the lottery, and people watch underdogs attempt the impossible, as long as you can give us a possible chance of winning. Just guess the right numbers. Just land the right hand. Seems so simple. Of course it isn't, but in our brains it seems that way.
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No no no it's just like mcgregor. Barely a warm up. The bronze bomber had equal or more power and 8 times gas tank. Then fury beat him 3 times.
Well..
Ngannou looks like the endboss of the Punch Out games
I think Fury is sympathetic to ngannus situation..and is helping him get his money up..even if ngunnu loses he secures generational wealth
Fury is ducking Usyk and using this as a way to do it, it's completely self serving. Fuck Tyson Fury.
Francis is a real gambler and hes been blessed so far so I can't even really blame him. He has put ALL his chips on himself for this we all must remember that when he left his home country he wanted to become a pro boxer but settled into MMA this is his chance to prove everyone who has ever doubted him wrong. He has come up almost all 7's at this point so I don't count him out but 99/100 Fury puts him down late in the game.
Im a Boxing fan and i really hope Francis wins because i like him and i feel like the he's being so discredited that it'll be one of the biggest things in combat sports if he wins
You're not a respectful or knowledgeable boxing fan then x)
It's sad that 'legacy' and ego hurts combat sports so much
Also Wilder debatably punches harder than Ngannou while weighing less
Can’t say that for sure until we have a picture perfect accurate punch machine to determine
Ngannou is the hardest puncher in the world. Wilder might come close but not as hard
@@dirge44 no, he holds a world record on a cube that next to no one has punched before. Wilder also weighs less and has more padding on his gloves decreasing punching power.
A cakewalk, huh.
The tragedy is that the best no longer fight the best. That is what has taken boxing down from the level it once was.
Francis is getting trained by mike tyson himself
Dude your so right
thank you
Thought the last part was rly weird when he started talking and comparing Tyson fury to other heavyweights, pretty childish imo. Like, if my gran had wheels she’d be a bike, but she doesn’t, so
The worst case scenario for Ngannou is that retires from combat sports at 37 after making more than he did in his entire UFC carreer
As a boxing fan, it is frustrating to see great boxers stoop to this new trend of setting up fights with non boxers. I want to see fury fight more boxers, contenders, champions, not someone who is essentially an amateur boxer. It really makes the sport look dumb, and as a longtime boxer and boxing fan, it just sucks to see
The whole thing is a joke. Fury needs to be stripped of his belt
It's definitely a joke but I rather see a Forced Unification Bout. No more bull.
Well… Lionel😂
Also let's not forget the second he was offered a real fight via Jon Jones he dipped out of the UFC which means he knows his skills aren't up to par
Brought tears to my eyes when you ran the numbers on how much Francis made in the UFC compared to Fury… Francis is going to put on a real show. Like Jet Li in Unleashed once the collar was thrown away
Ufc offered francis 8 million to fight Jon jones next. He became champion. He was about to get paid. How much did Tyson make before he was ever champion? Yes the top of boxing makes more than Top of mma fighters. But you can be on main card of mma and make 800k. In boxing if you’re not the main event you might not crack 100k.
@@guapodel What is the value of a contract(UFC) if it costs you your soul?
Francis went to business contract school, learned to negotiate and now he's making the most in his life, on his terms. .
Francis didn't Duck Jones, he escaped a limited future. Win or lose. let me put this simply... promoters are the pimps, fighters are the you know what's. Francis is no longer a you know what.
@@raeStrong agreed. But ufc isn’t the only sport that does this. That’s just how things are. Have mlb contract and say you wanna go play in Japan in the middle of your contract. In boxing sign a contract for top rank and try to fight someone they don’t want you to fight.
LMAO! Change the title bro. Ngannou embarrassed Fury. Could legit be a boxing heavyweight champ with just 2-3 years of training.
If Francis wins, he is officially the main character.
I don't think this hurts his legacy at all, i don't even care who wins but can't wait for these two humble gladiators give us a good show. both are champs regardless.
I feel that they should set up the fight like Demetrius Johnson vs Rodtang where they fought alternate rounds with muay Thai first, then mma
The important questions in my mind are these: who hits harder? Wilder or Ngannou? 'Cause Fury has survived Wilder's best on several occations. Has Ngannou improved skillwise to the point where he can actually hit Fury with his best? Such an interesting prospect.
A moment of silence for all the people who were saying that Francis dropped the bag. RIP
Francis is far from a chump and has been looking great in all the training footage. The fact still remains Tyson was born into the sport drilled and trained in it since his a young age. He's also gone 35 rounds with one of the most dangerous punchers in modern boxing and came out on top. Wrap your mind around that a person that stood more than just a punchers chance that gave him real pressure and made him taste canvas. If Frances manages to even give him a competitive fight hes a winner in my book. As far as I'm concerned Tyson's legacy has an extra notch in his belt because of this fight. No one is talking about it but the middle finger he and Francis are giving the UFC is legendary and necessary. The UFC needs to restructure the way they compensate their talent.
Hey Rivera! You da man. I do believe that the UFC are about to go through hell for not paying people. I hope.
Why do we insist on comparing the pay between a sport which has been around for centuries versus a sport that’s been around for a few decades?
i like the fact that Francis has nothing to lose, looking at it from his point of view, i think he did the right thing, it could end up being a Rocky moment as well, which i always hope for, i want to see it. just sayin.
Let’s be real fights over at any time Fury chooses. If Fury starts messing around he could get caught but the rematch would be a total annihilation so prob not in Francis’s interests to fluke a win 😂😂
Crazy to think we live in a world where getting paid 600,000 after a ufc fight is consider low.
Legacy doesn't matter as much as money to them.
This isn't even a debate, it's like connor vs mayweather, dont see how people think a non boxer is gonna come beat up a top boxer
How tho dude is a beast of a man and is very experienced as a fighter. Yaw acting like he’s a nobody being given a chance. Wilder isn’t the most skilled boxer but his power kept him in it so what makes Francis much different
Literally everything.
Boxing matches are significantly longer, and the weight of the gloves means that one punch ko's are incredibly rare considering boxers don't have to defend against leg kicks and the increased size of the gloves means that openings are significantly smaller and require more setup, something you can't teach someone in just six months of preparation.
He's experienced as an MMA fighter, no doubt, but he has minimal boxing experience, and he's going up against a literal world champion in the sport. It's McGregor vs. Mayweather all over again. Though I guess I should give Floyd credit, by carrying Mcgregor to round 10 before TKOing his ass he ensured these freakshows will continue for years.
At the end of the day, this is a Rocky story - Francis doesn’t need to win, all he really has to do is make a good showing.
"If Nganu loses he likely is giving up another boxing match opportunity" ??? So what?? What would be better than this one?
I think most people underestimate Francis' chances in this match. Hopefully Fury takes this with the seriousness it deserves.
If you think there is even the remotest of chances that Ngannou wins this fight, then you clearly know nothing about boxing. There are universes of levels between Tyson Fury and someone that hasn't boxed before. I say this as someone that finds Fury loathsome - but you need to understand that Ngannou will lose, and it won't even be close. There is no debate to be had.
Francis has a great boxing skillset honestly he's not just a haymaker throwing power puncher like Wilder who has no finesse he can set shots up really well as far as i can see his overall striking is like a lot of heavyweight boxers i've trained with, from someone who's been a pro boxer (not a very successful one but have the knowledge from years training) and fought MMA at the regional level Francis beat Stipe who was a phenomenal Golden Gloves boxer on the feet with a perfectly set up left hook
When are MMA fans going to understand that without the UFC, MMA is dead.
Legacy is a funny word for being afraid to lose.
Lol, Francis was too scared to fight Junkie Jones. Fury is too technical and will pick Ngannou apart. He has taken the best that Wilder could throw and still got up.
They have turned boxing into an utter circus. Such a shame.