Talk Heathen 08.17 with Jimmy Jr. and Richard Gilliver
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The callers!
18:17 Dylan - Former fundamentalist. How to cope with friend and family mourning his deconversion.
34:38 Tymm - According to Leviticus, the immigrant is to be treated as 'thy neighbor' (based on the poll).
54:48 Vish - Religious indoctrination can cause real physical harm.
1:07:04 Caleb - Can science and religion go together?
The worst part about going to church is all the noise interrupting my sleep.
The worst part about going to church is it’s either a wedding or a funeral. Either way I’ve probably lost a friend.
The worst part about going to church is having to sit quietly while being lectured at by your abuser.
When I’ve gone with family recently the thing that bugged me the most was being supposed to just sit there and not question the sermons.
@@PaulSullivan828the worst is when everyone else around you thinks the sermon is amazing and you just think it either doesnt make sense or is reprehensible.
The worst part of going to church as an atheist is that someone has to stay behind to make sure that dinner isn’t ruined by the baby becoming overcooked.
The worst part of going to church is…. Going to church!
The worst part about going to church is being so desperate for fellowship that one dispenses with reason.
The worst part about going to church is the portion size of the bread and wine. I'm still hungry!
The worst part about going to church is when the backwash from the pastor's private jet blows his neighbors' cardboard housing into the street, blocking my car.
I really love this one! Wow!
Thanks. I don't make the top three every week but I'm happy if I get a few likes.
The worst part of going to church is the one-thimble limit on the wine
The worst part about going to church is everyone watching to see what you put in the offering plate.
The worst part about going to church is the principle of it all
The worst part of going to church is being drenched in sweat! 😩
I went to a church bbq today and I did indeed make the joke that I was sweating like a sinner in church (as an atheist IN church), so perfect timing for this prompt. 😂
The worst part about going to church is that it conflicts with Talk Heathen.
The worst part about going to church is that all the red hats clash with my pink hair. 🤷♀️
The worst part about church is standing up to shake hands(Baptist). I have hyperhydrosis and always had very sweaty hands and so many people would make a nasty comment and/or wipe their hands profusely on their slacks while giving me a weird look. Destroyed my confidence as an adolescent and made me hate my body more than I already did.
No hate like Christian love. At Catholic school we had to “greet” in the Lord, which meant, at first, hugging and even kissing people. This was replaced with handshakes as there were students who took the opportunity to get way too touchy with complete strangers they found hot.
Worse part about going to church is… people saying they see Jesus and he’s not there.
The worst part of going to church is panic attacks
The worst part of going to church is crapping my pants and having to sit in my own pew
The worst part of going to church is the menu
The worst part of going to Churches is the long lines to get one breast and a biscuit...what's that? Not the restaurant? Oh the hell with that crap!
Caleb learned that when an atheist hears the words "something from nothing" and "what else could it be" they will stop you in your tracks.
If your best evidence is the garbage dime store preachers and bad apologists spew, you're cooked.
The worst thing about going to church is trying to keep my hymnal from crumbling with age. I think it was from the same print run as Gutenberg's bible.
The worst part about going to The Church is when they don’t play Under the Milky Way til the encore.
The Church are a bona fide institution worthy of veneration, for damn sure, with a very strong discography outside of that mega-hit.
I caught them live at the Ritz in NYC in '88 when they were touring Starfish. Still one of the best rock concerts I ever had the pleasure to attend. Plus, they played "Under The Milky Way" long before the encores ("Myrrh" and "You Took" if memory serves).
If you hate church music try Listening to Crowder, just amazing music, Grave Robber is one of my favorites
The worst part of going to church is finding nonobvious ways to avoid boredom. My go to was counting the number of each letter on every banner 🙄
Nah I’d watch you talk for a little while jimmy you got some good stuff in that noggin brother
I really appreciate that! Thank you for being part of the team!
It was actually Sophia’s appearances with whom I correlated my THTM success. lol
That being said, everyone’s a winner whenever you host, Jimmy Jr., you’ve definitely become one of my personal favorites!
Caleb what makes the NT documents any different than others?
They are claiming magic happened. And documents along are insufficient to support magic. Or do you believe that Alexander the Great was also the child of a god?
Caleb, our version of the universe had a beginning, that doesn't mean there were no laws or that a universe couldn't have started.
Yeah richard...👍👍😂
The worst part about going to church is the social pressures to partake in ritualistic cannibalism!
As much as I hate to mention etiquette in the context of human cannibalism ... _is it bad form to audibly say _*_"Nom! Nom! Nom!"_*_ as you wolf down your Jesus saltine?_
@@nullverba856 LOL! Shit that's great!
The worst part about going to church is the graphic violence in the old testament stories.
The worst part about going to church is having Jesus’s blood in your cup! *to the tune of Folger’s coffee commercial*
The worst part about going to church is the claim that Yahweh can be found anywhere and everywhere.
The worst part about going to church is trying to keep a straight face while listening to their ridiculous fables. On the plus side, I did learn how to yawn without opening my mouth.
Jimmy. It’s so awesome what you said about immigration and the laws created by religious white people to suppress minorities and anyone not white or christian. Your such a smart guy. Love any show you host !! .
Thank you so much! That means a lot to me and I appreciate your support! Thanks for watching :)
The worst part about church “pew”farts (pun intended) they are loud.
When Caleb claims that there was nothing, before there was something, then claims there was a god, he has already shot himself in the foot; for a god is not nothing. All apologetic, when fairly applied, self-refutes.
My response to last week's question was misunderstood (third place). I meant that I also loved Jesus, a Spanish-speaking man I knew who pronounced his name the Spanish way.
EDIT: YY4Me = too wise for me
I think I got that aspect of your entry but hilariously, it seemed that Gilliver, at least, didn’t get the double meaning of my 1st place submission. lol
The worst part of going to church is the smell of bonfire in your hair and clothes when you're done... And the gas price doesn't make it any better...
The worst thing about going to church is: when it's Sunday morning, Jesus quickly helps you find your car keys AND your wallet.
The worst part of going to church is the lameness of someone literally preaching at you about what & how to think. (From someone who's only been to church a handful of times my entire life!)
Aww man. I like to think that whomever selected the featured THTM submissions perceived what it seems that Gilliver, at least, did not. That though my 1st place entry was couched in interpersonal language, it was double entendre.
“I broke up w/Jesus” = I stopped believing
“He moved back w/his dad” = he ascended to heaven (supposedly)
No, we got what you were saying. And it was great!
The worst part about going to church is seeing how well hung Jesus is. Makes me feel like less of a man.
Caleb,
No disrespect to the great Jimmy Jr. OR the great Richard Gilliver, but I can dismantle the "Book of Job says the earth is round like a sphere" in 3 words.
Ready?
Pizza is round.
Boom!
Apparently, "round" doesn't mean what you think it means.
But it's worse than that.
It's not the book of Job, it's Isaiah.
Isaiah 40:22 ACTUALLY SAYS "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth..." (KJV)
Not "round" but "circle".
It only takes 2 seconds with Google to find out that the dictionary definition of "circle" is "a round plane figure whose boundary (the circumference) consists of points equidistant from a fixed point (the center)."
The key word in their being "plane".
2 more seconds and we know that "plane" means: "completely level or flat." (adjective).
Replacing "plane" with its definition, we get:
Circle: a round, completely level or flat, figure whose boundary (the circumference) consists of points equidistant from a fixed point (the center).
So that is what Isaiah says.
OK, that was more than 3 words, but I nailed it in 3 and the rest was bonus material.
So I have a question for you, Caleb.
Did you actually read the bible and just lie about what Isaiah (not Job) said, or did you just not read the bible at all?
The worst part about going to church is, the wine sucks and the hors d'oeuvres are tasteless and flat. They could really benefit by hiring a good sommelier and a better catering company.
How does "he/they" work? Do i say "i really like they"? Why not he/ them? It seems like "i really like THEM" sounds more grammatically correct... English is not my first language, i really don't quite get which 2 pronouns go into the x/y slots... i just assumed the second was kind of the "accusative", s in "i met HIM" or "do you know HER?" or whatever. But not everyone's declaration fits my model... is there even a model?
He/they implies that both he/him AND they/them are acceptable for this individual.
@@xmillion1704 thanks! Makes sense
Scientists don't know need the "god" hypothesis; they don't know what to do with it, i.e., mathematically model and test it.
How evidence works:
A) I own a car.
B) Do you have any evidence for that?
A) Here is a picture of me with my car.
B) How do I know that you own that car?
A) Here is a copy of my registration.
How theists think evidence works:
A) I own a car.
B) Do you have any evidence for that?
A) My car is blue.
B) Sure, but what is your evidence?
A) That is my evidence! My car is blue and has four wheels!
B) I'm not asking you to tell me about your cars features, I'm asking you to show evidence that you own a car.
A) I have the service manual and on page 1 it clearly states that, and I quote, "This service manual is designed for my specific model of car"
B) Before we talk about the specific service manual we need to prove the existence of your car. Without referring to your service manual can you show evidence that you own a car?
A) That's what I'm saying! You keep interrupting me. My service manual clearly states that my car is blue!
Borders are mythical? Tell that to Finland which recently closed its border with Russia. The border is there because those are two very distinct political entities. Not everyone shares American or Finnish values. Europe is finding out first hand what importing so many immigrants means when they don’t share your pluralistic, Western values.
Mythical as opposed to natural, I believe.
Every political border is arbitrarily delineated by humans.
@@xmillion1704Mythical is the wrong word to describe a border.
1
: based on or described in a myth especially as contrasted with history
2
usually mythical : existing only in the imagination : FICTITIOUS, IMAGINARY
constructed a mythical all-star team
A border isn’t a physical barrier, but it definitely isn’t mythical.
@@reefhog Hey, I've got a great idea! Let's engage in a uselessly pedantic quibble, debating various opinions regarding English grammar. I never said it was a perfect description. I just used the OP's word to contrast it with "natural". That being said, it's not the WORST descriptor. An argument can be made that it is most accurate in some narrow aspects relating to humans believing their own myths, etc..
The worst thing about going to church is listening to some woman sing wh has overestimated her vocals
Wasted WAY too much time with Caleb!
Nah, Caleb was a believer that we wanted to give ample time to. Believers need a little bit of leeway to bounce their thoughts off of us and hear the responses, sometimes several times. Caleb made several attempts to back up his claim and failed miserably at every turn. I hope he realizes now that he has nothing to stand on.
Jimmy Jr., please do _not_ encourage our employees to unconstitutionally base civil laws on religious beliefs. We should be getting them to _stop_ doing so, as they are taking away more and more of our rights, using their religious beliefs as an excuse.
I am the last person who would do such a thing. I’m not sure where you got that from.
YY4Me., please do NOT gas light jimmy on some bs…. People need to STOP doing so for it is NOT okay you are highly confused about things here you do know where you are correct?
Give an example!!!!
The worse part of religion is it will never save a single soul. So many people think religion will make them right with God our Creator. So far from the truth. Only faith (believing) in the blood that Christ Jesus shed on the cross, the finished work that he completed on the cross and the power of the resurrection saves' souls. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. Jesus Christ is our only hope of salvation. This planet is about to see chaos like this evil/sinful world has never seen before. We are in the last days.
It's church, enough said
The worst thing about going to church is the serving sizes. What does a guy have to do to just get a nice glass of wine and some crackers?
Maybe a leg or a thigh…🧐
Or to put more succinctly, perhaps, “Who do I have to get on my knees and blow, in order to get . . . “
Or put more succinctly, perhaps, “Whom do I have to get on my knees and fellate in order to get . . . “
Or to put more succinctly, perhaps, “To whom do I have to get on my knees and give head in order to get . . . “
Or to put more succinctly, perhaps, “Before whom must I get on my knees and provide oral pleasure in order to get . . . “