Bible Transcends Knowledge About Morality | Kevin-NY | Talk Heathen 05.28
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- Talk Heathen 05.28 for July 11, 2021 with Matt Dillahunty and JMike.
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Kevin is the perfect Christian: No evidence required, just believe what you’re told, tell everyone else they’re wrong.
Got any evidence for atheism being true?
@@macysondheim Now that you admit that you have no evidence for God--Yes. Here is the evidence that atheism is true:
-Atheism is a position of one that does not believe in a god because no evidence for any god has ever been presented or even exists.
-No Christian or theist has ever been able to prove their god, not ever. Yet they keep on believing because that’s what they have been taught to do. Atheists are just waiting for them to provide the evidence.
There’s your evidence. (Where is your evidence for God? What convinced you that God is real?)
@@macysondheimYour question is nonsensical and you should never use it because people will probably laugh at you. Atheism is not a positive claim. It is simply the lack of belief in a God. This is much different than the assertion that there is no God.
@@macysondheimthe burden of proof rests on the person making the positive claim that God exists.That's how it works. All atheists state is that there is insufficient objective evidence that God exists. Do better.
@@macysondheimdont need evidence buttercup, atheism makes no positive claims there for no proof needed, i would HATE to have you as a lawyer..... You would get so many innocent people convicted.... Atheism is just a statement, a religious whack job says god is real, the atheist says, ok can you prove it? And the religious whack job says of course then uses every fallacy in the book, and also using the bible to prove the bible, and the atheist says, well i dont believe you for youve given no hard proof that any of this is true......
Bold of them to assume that Kevin knows what his point is.
I think it is nice of them to assume it, wrong but nice.
Lmao idk why this is so funny
@@davidspencer343
lol. Well, I laughed too.
Lmmfao 👍
Kevin's incoherent monotone sounded like the HAL 9000 computer right after Dave had disconnected most of it's executive functions and it started singing "Daisy".
Hal sounds more human
Fantastic comment
Holy crap it actually does
Kevin's voice is "the sound of Monday Morning".
Without any coffee or breakfast
Absolutely boring
Lol more like Sunday at noon
@@MunkyDrag0n Or a smoke.....
He was so high on the call😅😅😅😅
I never thought I'd see the day where Matt Dillahunty would be side by side with Jesus but seeing is believing.
Bahahahaha.
I give you all the points.
😂 Matt is god JMike is his son. 😂
LMAO
lololo
The Bible is one if not THE most immoral books ever written.
You spelled it wrong Kit. It's spelled buybull.
@@toolghost8932 Wrong. It's "babble", just like the rats they always talk about, like my 2nd amendment rats. (never rabbits or mice)
@@stevepierce6467 That's funny, because I call it the Wholly Babble.
@@TheDeath138 Hi Death. How’s it going? Busy? 😂
@Richie Williams You know it. The workload is just insane and there are some late nights, but the benefits are killer.
I'm starting to notice a trend of people who can't string a sentence together and yet believe, without a doubt, that their position is unassailable. Kevin is one example of a growing handful that I've noticed.
Dunning-Kruger at play, 99% of theists suffer.
You are correct. Notice also through many of these videos the repetitive use by the callers of ok, um, well, I think, I’m not sure, I feel like, but, but, but, what if, I read, he said, etc.
Having a pint with Kev is my idea of hell.
LoL you would ask him how was your day he would answer with something that has nothing to do with what you said 🤣
Not really, he just this side of falling over?
@@lukedrums8463 “Ah yes, my day? Well Sheila’s pet dog stepped on a bee and saw the pearly gates of dog-heaven as the sun exploded and turned into scrambled eggs… speaking of which, how would you like some green eggs and ham?”
It would be a flat, lukewarm midstrength domestic beer too.
Kevin is a frequent caller who has yet to make a rational point in his blabbering.
dealing with him is like argueing with a pig: it doesnt understand what you're saying, but likes the attention....
The mind is a terrible thing to waste. Kevin has flushed his.
i laughed when i finished reading this comment slowly at the end.
Maybe if he stopped getting stoned before calling he'd do a better job.
I think he's high on something
Matt has a better knowledge of the bible than every single theist iv ever heard.
I agree! I think he has more than my own father (who is a baptist preacher) and I truly thought my dad had complete knowledge when I was a child and as an adult and he really has a lot but I think Matt could give him a run for his money on the Bible. And that’s saying a lot.
I also have pretty good knowledge being as my dad made me do Bible drills and essays before we could even eat or sleep.
@@starlaminde8436 Your father sounds like a monster.
@@starlaminde8436 I'm curious - was your father careful about problematic bible passages? Did he just teach you the "good stuff", the easy bits? John 3:16, etc? I get the feeling that Christians never actually read the bible themselves, they only pull it out in church and turn to the bits the preacher indicates, without EVER reading the whole context. I've read the bible cover to cover at least 3 times, and I'm an atheist. I've never met a Christian who was as familiar with the bible and its stories as I am, and I am WAY below guys like Matt.
Seems pretty sus that Christians really aren't familiar with their own book. It's like harry potter fans never reading the books or watching the movies, just liking the character. Weird.
That's probably why he's an atheist. Most people become atheists because they took the time to study the bible thoroughly and understand it far better than those who never bothered and continue to practice their religon through ignorance. They've discovered the self-contradictions, inconsistencies, and egregious errors and immoralities. This also gives the lie to those "theists" who claim that those who become apostates where never "true" believers when that's exactly what they were.
@@ColinFox Its been said many times that the surest way to become an atheist is to read the bible cover to cover. Thats my story in a nut shell.
Reasons Matt gave for why people (like this caller) speak incoherently:
• They're nervous
• They have a mental health condition
• They're stressed
• They've never had to defend a position
Reasons Matt left off his list:
• They're stupid
You don't have to be stupid to not know how an argument is put together. I don't know how to do calculus but that doesn't mean I'm stupid, it's just that I don't have the knowledge or skill to do it.
@@ragg232 Your reply reminded me of another reason:
• They don't listen.
@@BertRussell4711 Here's another one:
• Overconfidence
having a conversation with a believer is like herding cat’s
Sometimes it's like hearing a cat sharpen it's claws on a chalkboard.
@@huffdaddy3845 😂
“I’m right because I have faith that I am!!”
@Jim Brown That is the most longwinded demonstration of the lack of understanding of the Scientific Method I have seen in quite a while. If you understood what you are writing, you would be embarrassed.
@Jim Brown What’s bothering you Jim?
@Jim Brown TL:DR you don't seem well, stay away from whatever people who are reaffirming your worldview.
Your first caller, Kevin, reminds me of that kid who forgets what he wanted to say after raising his hand in class.
And his ideas sounded better in his head, but they don't work outside of that vacuum when in contact with any interaction with anyone else.
Thank you for handling him with kid gloves.
Or after a blunt
Here we go again. Kevin represents a large percentage of Christians in how they argue. "The Bible says...." "The Bible says...." BTW: I dig JMike's look. When I first saw him I thought of George Harrison circa 1971. Super cool look. I love it.
I legit thought he was rob zombies cousin or some shit lmfao
Kevin's constantly demonstrates the Dunning Kruger effect quite well.
99% of theist callers do.
Lesson….. Never come to a gun fight with a knife… unless that knife has a gun attached to it. 😂
or like a gunblade from Final Fantasy.
Or you are really good with a knife...
Or one is Freddy Kruger or Wolverine.
That would be a bayonet, your welcome
What about a gun that fires knives?
"bronze age goat herders", sums it up perfectly.
in defense of bronze age goat herders, if someone didn't herd the goats, the tribe would lose them.
"The Goat Herders Guise to the Galaxy" is a more accurate title for the scriptures than "Holy Bible"
typo: Guide
@@kameronsnowe903 I liked guise better ;-)
@@AlDunbar same lol
May I take your order? Yes I’d like the word salad but can you hold the coherency and put the clarity on the side?
It seems theists set very high bars for others when they ask "do you have complete knowledge about ?", but then don't require it from the people who support them.
Apparently, that double standard seems common among theists.
Let's face it. They can't offer any objective evidence for the existence of their god and so their own bar has to be set at ground level and even then they can't clear it.
There are allot of confused Christians out there like Kevin.
well if your prime motivation is to convince yourself a pixie with a beard controls everything, it's not easy.
Kevin could only regurgitate words that he has been told. Preaching without understanding. A mind that cannot think for itself.
How long has Jesus been an atheist heathen ?
he got REAL pale, too.
@@Robeebert He did didn't he , he sure don't look like no middle eastern dude
nah its just time travelling Charlie AKA Moist Cr1itikal
No wonder it's taken him so long to return..
Jesus had been an atheist since birth. He called himself father and God and he prayed to himself. He couldn't be any more atheist than that!!!
This guy should smoke another joint. He's not stoned enough.
Heck different bibles have different translations or full books in them
Why does anyone tolerate the use of dishonest terms such as "the Bible", or "God"?
They are obviously not terms about which any significant number of participants in virtually any conversation agree. IMO, theists use the term to smuggle legitimacy, and others tolerate it. Why?
The god of the Bible is moral creator of good and evil what’s wrong with that
@mint herbert19 A book says a thing someone online says a thing, so what?
The god-thing described in the various version of bibles is the opposite of a moral being.
@@Catholictomherbert which version of the Bible ? Which religions version ? Does the Torah and Old Testament count ? The Koran which includes most of the Bible ? The Mormon Bible ?
I had a bible once with "Tom Swift and the Giant Dirigible" in the middle.
Since the original bible doesn’t exist, how can anyone believe the translations are accurate?
There never was an original bible. The bible is a collection of many different writings and various groups of men decided what they preferred would make the cut and what would not. It's correct to say that none of the original text survives at all.
@@stuboyd1194 Even if we had original text(s), that wouldn't mean they were factual.
@@stuboyd1194 Correct, a bunch of divergent, inconsistent stories of wildly varying quality nailed together largely for the purposes of political expediency. Then raised to the status of "the inerrant word of gawd", beyond ridiculous. A 2000+ year old con.
It’s called “cognitive dissonance,” my friend.
Even the original Bible consisted of stories taken from previous religions, just cherry picked with some name and minor detail changes. It still wouldn't change the fact that the Bible is complete nonsense.
Kevin reminds me of an acquaintance of mine who, when attempting to communicate a vague idea in his head, did not so much speak as emit senseless drivel for hours on end without making a single coherent sentence.
While completely sober, mind you, and well before he had to get a metal plate installed in his head.
Quite possibly because in order to properly convey them he had to first understand and define them, and by undergoing that they'd instantly fall apart.
Man, right now I got enough THC aboard me to mellow out a Clydesdale. I ain't high enough to be anywhere close to grokkin' ol' Kev's logic. The giant chartreuse wombat wot's here sittin' on me couch is makin' more sense. . .
But in the end this wombat will become your best friend. God told me this…. Yeah right!
grokkin? what is this aussie-ism?
@@twilightsparkle75 Grok is a made up word from a science fiction novel.
I do not know you, but you're my brother. Or sister.
I’m with you brother. I thought it was the THC nd my brain was scrambled 😂
"This is now a waste of time, Kevin." Finally.
Looks like Jesus finally made a personal appearance.
Nah, George Harrison.
Damn ... you beat me to it.
He's not Jesus, he's a very naughty boy!!
“Kevin. Stop Kevin Stop. Please Stop!”
LMAO!!
Kevin is like an unstoppable runaway train…..going at steady 2 miles per hour….the monotone, monorail……..
STFU KEVIN!!!!…. Comedy gold!
Kevin sounds like the worst person to hang out with.
Totally agree!
I know you would talk to him and he would answer with something that has nothing to do with what you said
I'd to hangout with Kevin because he might be able to show me God. 😆 🤣 😂
Kevin is giving a class presentation about a book he heard stories from when he was a child. He relies entirely on the feelings he has of vague memories of the book and is more interested in sounding like he has all the answers than ACTUALLY having the effort to look for a single answer
Kevin needs to be asked:
What is it -- in 25 words or less -- that you believe?
How do you know, Kevin, that what you claim to believe is true?
Who TOLD you to believe that stuff?
Why do you believe this if you cannot prove what you claim to believe is true?
You know it’s bad when you know the callers😂
Kevin: I really do believe I'm using logic.
The logic of the Bible?
That says it all.
"The abilty to step outside oneself" could be a way of describing using science.
Stepping outside of your own bias and set beliefs is needed to use science so that personal preferences don't cloud
the data.
Those Christians stuck in indoctrination do not have the "ability to step outside of their own" religious preferences, so they are hardly able to investigate the real world. The christian scientists of the past are some of the few able to step out ( but just by a few steps) With fear being a big factor since a few very important scientists were punished for their discoveries of truth about the universe.
Holy mackerel. I was listening to this at 1.25 speed and didnt realize it.
And I said...this caller talks so slow. Let me speed it up.
I then dropped it to regular speed...before immediately going to 1.5.
Holy lord. Regular speed is torture
The look on jmike's face when kevin said Plato 🤣🤣
Im confused how theists believe an all knowing God could get angry??
Amger comes mainly from being surprised. Surprised that something's not right. So how could an all knowing creature be surprised ???
It cant !!! 🤤😲
Or its not all knowing.
one thing I've noticed over the years with talking with theists is that they continuously try to make their gods less and less powerful.
@@shanewilson7994
Well, their gods have become less and less powerful over the centuries. As have their institutions. Of course the institutions have much more power than their no existence gods ever did.
Not just anger, but jealousy and a penchant for vengeance. I think it was Penn Jilette who said “Young god was kind of an asshole. I don’t know if he had a general change of heart or if having a kid really mellowed him out”
Omniscience is also at odds with free will: how can you have free will if you already knew all your decisions long beforehand. Imho the best internal contradiction in what most christians believe their god possesses.
Why does Kevin talk like he just got off a 23 hour work shift and has mild horse tranquilizer in his system?
Ketamine is helluva drug kekeke
The hair disparity is killing me. Christ. Gotta be a happy medium.
Fark that was painful to listen to... That call was a really good example of the Dunning Kruger effect.
The case of the empty basket, or how to defend your beliefs with absolutely nothing.
Wow, these guys are a killer team. Thanks for calling Kevin.
"I"m sorry... I really do believe I'm using logic..."
Matt’s level of zen savagery is amazing. The calm but pointed way he disassembled the things said was a real show of how long Matt has been doing this. I honestly thought Matt was going to get heated but hardly a simmer. Im at 17:33 so far.
Wellokaythen... i guess that ended better than i thought. Good luck kevin, genuinely. I wish you well
Take religion out of the conversation and he'd sound like he was stoned
Religion can be a hell of a drug. Whenever I go back amongst the believers in my family they all kind of have this same way of speaking about philosophical questions. It's these filibusters of nonsense, and they all find it so profound because their standards are so low.
that “lacking spiritual discernment” is a criticism leveled at me on a regular basis.
You are not as blue as the Stone of Galveston.
Do you even krange, bro?
He’s reading a book that has been edited thousands of times, hundreds of verses and books have been removed, translated from Hebrew, to Latin then to English last and this guy thinks he’s the chosen one, because he reads the edited watered down version 🙄 cringe
The Bible is subject to interpretation. The Bible forces one to interpret its' meanings. Each individual that reads and studies the Bible can have a different interpretation. Each religious sect of Christian religions have different interpretations of the Bible. QUESTION: If the Bible were the words of a perfect God who has the ultimate message to convey to the human race, why did God provide such a non cohesive, ambiguous manner? Some of those interpreters, if not all of them, are obviously misinterpreting the thoughts of God. Regardless of whether a God/Creator exists or not, the Bible is an ambiguous document. If all the interpreters today can't come to an agreement, what chance did the bronze age sheep herders have two thousand years ago?
stuff has been left out of the bible too, look up the gospel of judas, in that god is the evil one and jesus was sent to do battle with him....
@@HarryNicNicholas The Bible is of course written by man and remains the most edited document in history. A wide selection of texts and third party hearsay stories with unknown authors, arranged by the elite to present to the masses. Deletions made when they did not suit the purpose of the Bible and additions embellished to satisfy its' needs. There are reasons why a huge majority of the Vatican's vast archives are heavily restricted or completely hidden from scholar's eyes. If the intent of the Bible was to provide a clear and comprehensive interpretation of a message from a God to the human population of Earth, then it is the greatest failure of all time.
"Prove Christianity is true without using the Bible" is a loaded question in a Paradigm-level debate like this. The Bible is the ultimate standard of truth in the Christian worldview, so the question presupposes any non-Christian worldview already is true which is assuming precisely what is in contention without justification
JMike looks like atheist George Harrison and, let me tell ya, I’m about it
Spot on & thanks--I was trying to figure out who he brought to mind & bingo, you nailed it. "My Sweet Lord" 👌
I miss guys with long hair..
Oh good, I thought he was Jesus.
I think he looks more like Roy Wood…
Yes 🙌
I love that JMike looks like the Christian depiction of Jesus. 🤣
Mike is exactly right.
What does "complete knowledge" mean in this context?
it means "I've got the goalposts on wheels until you agree with me."
You can take a Christian whose Biblical literacy extends to "I've been meaning to read it, but in the meantime, I believe it's true, front to back" and watch them accuse anyone that draws a different conclusion of not having done enough work to understand it properly. There is no qualifying amount of knowledge to satisfy them unless the conclusion drawn is the same as the one they presuppose.
@@swordswinger395
Also...
"I have read it front to back" does not mean "I fully comprehend every word and idea contained within".
The best part of this is that JMike looks like the traditional white American version of Jesus. Maybe he's the real Christ, here to bring logic and reason to the masses.
Nice to see Jesus hosting talk heathen
When it comes to theists' arguments for their beliefs, it doesn't get much better than that.
it saddens me that people ring in with such disjointed drivel, thinking that they have a cogent argument or thought process that does not involve a very key ingredient....actually thinking.
We have not evolved to hastily make rational logical decisions. Our mind is easily tricked and deceived.
So no sense data
@@Catholictomherbert the fuck does that mean
True, but we have collectively accumulated enough knowledge to pass massive amounts of useful practical ideas on to the next generations. Unfortunately this is a minority. With a majority adding a tradition of useless ,sometimes harmful, nonsense on top of anything and everthing thats actually beneficial and healthy.
I agree with Kevin that his mind is going in a bunch of different directions, but the problem is they are all in circles.
If he only could hear himself talk nonsense he would realize it, but the scary thing he doesn't realize it
I always knew Jesus was an atheist. JMike is just his alias
Kevin made me eye role & face palm many many times.
Word salad, with a few crispy eye rolls.
Kevin can toss a mean word salad!
I am not making any accusations, (yes, I am) Kevin talks like me when I have a few drops of wine.
I too, when I'm in my cups.
@@hplovehandle 🤣
Are you versed in bigfoot enough to know there is no bigfoot?
More people have seen Bigfoot than those who've seen Jesus.
Wow this channel which i have recently come across is something else, love it.
I keep getting PureFlix ads on ACA videos and it really gives me a sensible chuckle every time I see it.
Ya know if things happened in real life, like they do in those movies, there would be really good evidence a god exists. XD.
I will answer for Kevin:
Empirical evidence for a proposition is evidence, i.e. what supports or counters this proposition, that is constituted by or accessible to sense experience or experimental procedure. Empirical evidence is of central importance to the sciences and plays a role in various other fields, like epistemology and law.
Sacrificed your own humanity on the altar of this religion!!! 👏👏👏
Now this was a hell of a trip
“The road to atheism is littered with bibles that have been read cover to cover."--Andrew L. Seidel
“Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” ― Isaac Asimov
"Atheism is what happens when you read the bible. Christianity is what happens when somebody else reads it for you." -- Robert G. Ingersoll.
Do not worry Texas we have planty of looneys in New York too. 🤪😂😂
J Mike is awesome.
So thrilled that you got Jesus to join your show!!!
There was a bidding war between all the big atheist networks.
Damn, this is just painful. All those silences as Kevin tries to think up a way to avoid answering simple questions.
I don’t have complete knowledge of Plato, but I do have complete knowledge of Play-Doh.
The only thing the bibble transcends is Reason.
The bible can be looked at as a funny book. Virgo rises headfirst and sets headfirst. On March 25, the constellation of the Virgin sets headfirst. She is upside-down and reveals her secrets (female thing). Part of her is below the western horizon where Adoni (the winter sun) strikes her in the head. Jupiter (the summer sun) aka Yahweh sees her vagina and impregnates her with his sun rays. As a result of this encounter, on December 25, the baby sun is born.....every year.
I don't think he understood a single question you guys made.
I’m sure Kevin’s headcanon is even more convoluted and confused than his calls are.
Headcanon!!
It's not possible for Kevin to have a coherent thought. His voice is putting his brain to sleep.
JMikes mustache is epic, that is one thick stash, like Tom Sellick thick
I'm 4 min in and just realized that if I don't skip this clip I may pull a Reservoir Dog on my ears...
Just like Kevin, i keep my phone next to my pillow so that as soon as i wake up in the morning i randomly call people and mumble and ramble.
6:00 Here we see, how those who cannot think straight, cannot talk straight either.
"we need evidence to believe"
"I dont understand" - kevin
Kevin what are you saying? 😂😂😂😂
How do you tell the difference between something that transcends human knowledge and nonsense?
edit: A good example is the Voynich manuscript. It might be written in a complex code that we can't decipher. Or it could be meaningless scribbles. Until you figure out which it doesn't make sense to base your life around its teachings.
Carlton, your doorman ponders the universe.
“My mind’s going into a bunch of different directions.”
And none of them are logical.🙈
This was the best I have heard Kevin be dealt with. He has never made any sense in his calls and I'm glad the hosts here called him out
Whatever shit Kevin is on, I want some. Lol.
Jesus H Christ this was painful. But fun.
Caller sounds like he hit the bong too many times before calling.
Put down the bong Kevin.🤣🤣🤣
And don't call the show until you come down.
Then bring your A Game please
Thank
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kevin is brilliant.....when he's in a room talking to himself. Outside of that.....a mixed up mess.
Matt and Mike are a great team! They can trap a caller and make them sound soooo stupid like I have never seen and heard.
When it comes to Kevin, it takes zero effort because he doesn't know what he's talking about, ever.
It sounds to me like the guy is saying that you have to have a special magical feeling to understand the special magical book.
Stringing together words into a structurally sound sentence does not mean it actually means anything. ie:
The flavor of a sonic boom is purple.
“The Bible transcends human knowledge of morality”
Then how can you make any claims about it?
Poor Kevin, doesn't realize he is talking gibberish. I hope he can snap out of it.
Ahh, the old “appeal to one’s own emotions” fallacy