Another Sunni.. Questioning our Prayers ft.
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- This is the second and final installment of the review of the discussion with Muhammad from the Muslim Lantern.
This is part of where he was interrogating about the Prayer and him belittling the verses of the Quran as if they aren't clear enough.
Here he makes his intention very clear, that his whole purpose in our discussion was to present my ideology as something flimsy or inconsistent - yet he didn't want to engage in an honest manner.
• Arrogant Hadith Reject... - Zábava
Brother I’m a revert and I thank you for explaining this. I always felt off about the two sects.this is eye opening.
I'm Christian but I'm learning a lot about Islam from your videos, and I think your way of argumentation makes sense.
Same. His arguments make sense compared to the Sunnis. I can't stop watching this guy.
Yeah me too, I think hadith rejection is a genuinely compelling argument for Muslims to really think about
the kuffar side with the kuffar nothing new here lmao i waza watching the entire 3 hour stream the dude is claiming edits. He could answer a single question with conviction, couldnt even recite the quran correctly for being a "quranist". May allah guide him
@@Yhwach3000 "following Quran alone makes you a kafir, but following mullas blindly leads to see God as a moon when it's full and bow to His shiny shin according to sunnism" Auzhubillah, you need guidance sunnis.
We are all on a path to finding god. Youre not "more right" than us just because your sheikh or hadith says so...@@Yhwach3000
Salaam all!
The 'Hadeeth' explain & clarify the Qur'an! Full Stop!
But there's a catch....
The 'hadeeths' themselves need explaining / clarifying by the scholars. And let's not forget about the 50,000 differences of opinion among the scholars, and the different schools of Fiqh, and the different schools of Aqeedah, and what is bid'ah?, is something Sunnah or not? what is tawasul?, what is tasawuf?, was the Quran uncreated? Do your hands have to be folded or not in Salat? And.... and.... and .... and...
And... and...
Makes total sense to me 😊
All you quranists pray differently. Who are you guys to talk about difference of opinion
We have an explanation to why there are differences of opinion in Islam from Hadiths, you don’t have an explanation on why you guys all pray different
Because god did not care how anyone prays. If he does he will explain it in the book. Religion is a way of life. Not how you pray. Follow whats god prescribed in the book nothing more nothing less. God leave it for your understanding. He will judge each individual not all the shaiks or imams. I think we all have a responsibility.
Most Muslims seem to think following the prophet means walking like him, talking like him, acting like him, etc. when I look at you I see a real Muslim, someone who simply “obeys God and the messenger” as they are supposed to, instead of adding things onto the religion, ‘nuff said
Right! I've tried to articulate this exact point to Sunnis.
Like for example the cowboy Muslim i think he is called, makes shorts detailing "sunnah" and one in particular was regarding how Muhammed wore his ring on his hand and therefore how you should wear a ring on your hand..
It just strikes me as bizarre that they think the positioning of the ring on your finger will somehow appease God..
@@pureexposure9424 since you think your smart please post here how to PRAY from the Hadiths from start to finish, all the rakats everything. i am 100% sure you will not find it Mushrik!!
@@vdnswho is Al-Rakim? Who was the Pharaoh? Who is Hamam?
@@kevinsavasci7311 atleast hadith showed more details about how to pray salah than quran. Will you really stop rejecting hadith after the proof is shown?
@@mahbuburrahman2499show your proof, provide hadith detailing prayer from start to finish.
Whats the point of even going on there when they won't even let you speak?!
No. People like him are many must speak up..
His point is to portray him as fool in front of his audience
he also didn't write muhammedfromgod to not "make him popular"
@@saidzihmmou6426 yes!
What are talking about he was ther and made a foul out of himself and never aswerd any questions. Instead of answering he keeps on asking questions becade he can nit answer. This guy is a solder of Dajal
BRODIE THE QURAN TELLS U TO FOLLOW HADITH😂
Where?
Where?
Where?
Yes, the best hadith, the Quran 😉
yes guys the Quran says follow the Hadith but the Hadith is QURAN,,, quran is the best Hadith guys quran only
When he asked you how you pray you said the way imam do and he can make it up!!!!😂😂😂
And letter you said, rukuh,sujud,!!!???? 😂😂😂
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What Sunnis don't understand is even if we assume its true that the Quran doesnt explain certain things and therefor we need the Hadith, theres ZERO guarantee anything the hadiths say was actually said by the Prophet. You're just ASSUMING it is. In courts, they want the DIRECT witness, the first degree, they won't accept 2nd degree retellings because they know human memory is deceptive, let alone 5th to 8th degree witnesses which is what the hadith are. Imagine if Modern Courts today accepted 7th degree witness who saw the person who saw the person who saw the person who saw the person who saw the person who commited the crime, such a testimony would be laughed at and thrown out of court, yet Muslim countries have laws based upon it
Research by cognitive psychologists like Dr. Elizabeth Loftus has shown that human memory is not a perfect recording but is reconstructive in nature. Memories can be distorted, influenced by external factors, and even fabricated. By the time a story is re-told to the 3rd degree, 50% of the details have already been changed, let alone 5th degree. Given that Hadiths were transmitted orally for several generations, the inherent imperfections of human memory cast doubt on the accuracy of these transmissions. Challenges of Oral Transmission. Studies on oral traditions, such as those by Jan Vansina and Bartlett's "The War of the Ghosts," demonstrate that stories evolve over time due to memory lapses, cultural influences, and biases. The Hadiths, being orally transmitted for a significant period, are susceptible to such changes, making it challenging to ascertain their original form.
The Quran wasn't limited by the same factor because 1- It had God's protection for its preservation 2- Sahaba's like Umar made sure all deviancies are errors in people's transcription of the Quran were immediately deleted. Neither of these apply for the Hadith. God in the Quran uses the Quran's preservation as a miracle yet im supposed to be believe a human preserved something thats 150x lengthier and 45,000 pages? By that logic i should be more impressed at Bukhari than Allah
Ilm Al-Hadith is useless too, psychological studies, like those by Daniel Kahneman, highlight that human judgments are often influenced by biases and societal pressures. Historical analyses by scholars like Patricia Crone emphasize the political and theological climates during the times Hadiths were compiled, suggesting potential biases in the acceptance or rejection of certain narrations. Comparative research has found discrepancies between various sahih Hadith collections, raising questions about the reliability of the authentication process. Sunnis bring up BUT HOW DO U PRAY WITHOUT HADITH (while ignoring that Muslims prayed without Bukhari for 200 years) despite the hadiths having contradictions too on how to pray.
The potential for political or theological biases during Hadith compilation, as highlighted by historical studies, further weakens the reliability of 'Ilm al-Hadith. All ilm Al Hadith tells us is Bukhari had checkmarks when asking people to recall the Hadith, that in no way is proof that it was transmitted correctly. I can ask someone Pious, truthful and with a good memory to re-call to me a story is friend told him and despite all this he could still get the story wrong
Good
Hmm
There's many misconceptions and false statements in this long essay of yours I'm afraid. A little more research into the science of hadith wouldn't hurt you you know.
brother Muhammad, can you make a video about, Hud 114. Taha 130, kaf 38, Isra 78, and Rum 17,18. i ll be waiting what you think about these aya's
Allah says Quran is complete he let nothing out and is easy to understand.
Sunnis: Quran is impossible to understand without hadith.
allah says in quran that quran is in clear arabic so you would understand.
allah says in quran that quran is partly not to be understood by anyone except allah.
resolve that
@@rossmanmagnus If Allah say's, the Quran is partly not understood except by Allah, how should a prophet understand it?
@@zaheergaming1995 according to quran it follows that the prophet would not be able to understand the meaning of every revelation from messenger jibril
bruh sources and also sure the quran is easy to understand but some verses are ambiguous and no clear and ambiguous do not necessarily contradict each other
@@jabedhusu can say the same about a lot of hadith that have ambiguity and that contradict each other. Sunni’s always say that the hadith explains the quran, but most of the times the hadith needs explanation itself
I'm a revert alhamdulillah all I do is read the Quran all the other books are confusing and it makes my head spin some of the Sunnah make sense other parts not really so I don't even know what to call myself other than just Muslim
Tawatur…
If your belief in the book is based on the book, then the way of transmission has no meaning, but if your belief in the book is based on the way of transmission, then your belief has no meaning…
We did not believe the people that brought the Quran, but we believed the Quran.
The person who delivers a message has done a human effort, but his human effort is not responsible for the truth it conveys nor is it responsible for my belief in that truth....
The truth is from God and my belief in the truth is not from that person, and thats what really matters...
The issue of tawatur is a silly issue, because the credibility of the Qur’an was never due to its attribution to Muhammad or because so-and-so companion transmitted it, but rather the credibility of the Qur’an is generated from itself and the testimony of the text itself.
The believers did not believe the Qur’an because Muhammad brought it, but rather they believed it when they heard it and knew that it was the truth...
( 28:53 ) : “And when it is recited to them they say: We believe in it, it is the truth from our Lord”
( 5:83 ) : “when they listen to that which has been revealed to the messenger, you see their eyes overflow with tears, because of their recognition of the truth”
( 72:1-2 ) : “Lo! We have heard a marvelous Quran, which guides to righteousness, so we believed in it”
All of these verses confirm to the believer that the verses are self evident and their validity stems from them and not from men or a method of transmission.
On the contrary, the infidels were the ones who wanted to attribute the Qur’an to a man of high social standing in order for them to believe him...
“And they said: Oh that this Quran had but been revealed to a great man of the two cities!” ( 43:31 )
Only Quran is the word of God no other books hadiths, doctrine or any other man made edited holy books should not be followed.
Everyone is too full of themselves. You can see they want to be scholars and have a lot of pride but no real understanding. Unlike you. I genuinely have a much clearer understanding of Islam because of you. Before I was super distraught because of all the stupid things that held down Islam and how complicated it became.
You have made me realise that these Hadiths aren’t as important as people say they are. I’m not a full Hadith rejector. I still listen to some but only if they have already happened e.g. with the Euphrates river drying up to uncover gold. Or make sense.
Even then. I genuinely mean it when I say thank you for opening my eyes to a more truthful and simple Islam. I hope I can further my knowledge of the Quran.
That clip was killing me.
Bro Mashallah this is an eye opener for me.
Wage mighty struggle with this Qur'an.
, I understand your position I have seen many of his interruptions and interactions with even Christian and atheist..
This is how the Muslim lantern do.. with everyone.. his tactics is to belittle you in front of people so that he may give the illusion of winning and knowledge.,
You can see how he cut and edited the video, heavily..
In his channel it is another matter..
Next time whenever you do interviews record it in your side take a witness the third person to witness and download it right away….. before editing..
So arrogant, invu
Bro if you even don’t have arabic under control and you reject hadith you are just ignoring the wisdom what is in quran good luck
he does understand arabic, he may have difficulties speaking arabic because of where he was raised. an african person may not speak arabic fluently too
@@saidzihmmou6426 half of people who speak arabic very well are not even Arabic by the way are u quranist?
Excellent video! I like your attitude in your videos and the clarity in which you explain things. I'm not Muslim but I would like to be. Do Quranists take the shahada? Also can we get a video on your backstory??
Learn from this and know that you must record ALL encounters with them because these people can be snakes
salaam akhi, may i ask what was the reason you did not respond to the article i commented about , regarding research of another brother on the ritual prayers in the Holy Qur'an? His research comprises most if not all verses which refer to the ritual prayers. Do you believe in mathematical miracles of the Holy Qur'an? He shows in his article the references to 4 prayers and 1 optional (night) prayer. I was just wondering about your reasons not to discuss this stance
you may post that in quraniyoon subreddit for people to see and to check if it's valid.
@@saidzihmmou6426 and who are you answering on behalf of the video poster? LOL. Quraniyoon? is it some sect, like what your kind is part of? You may go read a hadith about Aisha breastfeeding grown up men hahaha
Can you tell me is CZcams?
I call these Mushnik's Hadith Worshippers.
as a Muslim you can't say some other Muslim that he has no class!!!???
I don’t think your upbringing was good
And watching this i don’t think that you a Muslim...!!!!
Are you lieing...!!!????
😂😂😂😂, i know it hurts :) even if you spend your whole remaining life clarifying yourself for that half an hour, it won't be enough.
Yes I agree, no matter how much we explain to them, the Sunnis will not understand. And the reality is the explanation of Allah is not enough for them.
@@Quran_Alone_Dawah that explanation which you guys cannot even read properly? 🤣
@@afnankhan5989 I thought you were a Muslim when I replied, I didn't know you were a Sunni. Alhamdullillah there are people who speak little or no Arabic and understood the message of Allah even with bad translations. And there are people such as yourself who recite every letter perfectly in Arabic and yet the meaning does not register. May Allah guide you to İslam 🤲
@@Quran_Alone_Dawah the reason why we are blessed by Allah to read properly and understand is correctly is because we put efforts towards the words of Allah and his commandments unlike you guys who are super lazy and don't want to practise the actual islam so twist the meaning as per your desires.
Eg. Pray three times a day without any evidence that Prophet Muhammad ﷺ prayed like that .
I also heard some you don't even pray salat but just make dua 3 time a day.
Some of you might even conclude saying everything is not obligatory and not pray at all. All as per desires.
Hence, you guyz are deprived of such blessing of proper recitation and understanding and if you remain adamant on your desires, then you will see more and more blessing to be deprived from yourselves.
May Allah guide you to respect the Quran and the words of prophet muhammad ﷺ
وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَىٰ إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَىٰ
@@afnankhan5989the Quran completely showcases the process of prayer. Also youre blessed by Allah by not following the religion of Ibrahim, Musa, Isa and Muhammad? Astaghfirullah make sense brother.
Mohammad Ali in this instance avoided majority of the conversation, it concluded by technical errors being corrected. First time I’ve seen Mohammad Ali fail in actually answering appropriately
Mohammad Ali is catering for the social media audience where you are guiding yourself via the Quran.
Following the Quran only in my opinion is the ideal way because it’s without failure, it unites all under the 1 book and eliminates all this sectarianism. Time is the common factor which becomes the enemy of religion. Over time the Quran shall remain the same and the promise of no corruption only relates to the Quran. The hadith have no promise of being corruption free
Salaam brother where is it best to catch you for questions
Voice note questions
You didn’t watch the ending of the video...!!!?????
Beacuse you don’t have any answer... 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Bro you literally said in a previous debate you prayed 5 times a day.
😂😂😂
Yes, he prays 5 times when he feels like it, cuz probably be grew up in an environment of people who pray 5 times,
I get him, I do it too,
Wouldn't hurt to do extra prayers, as long as you do the 3 main ones (fajr, Maghreb and night prayer)
I watched it on his channel, I don’t agree with ur interpretation of Islam, but I didn’t like that he interrupted you so many times.
Lantern is bully!
He is using the dahwa strategy called( kitnam) wich is a a deceit by omission..
People tuning in nice and early to condemn a video that barely started... its like you planned it all along
I watched his video and while I don’t think you’re right, I will admit the ali was being disingenuous and disrespectful. You were clearly trying to discuss this with dignity and he was avoiding everything, twisting your words, etc.
When I pointed this out on his video, people started insulting me the same way.
It’s a damn shame when dawah speakers treat Christians and Jews and pagans with more respect than their own brothers in Islam.
Khouya is there a way that i could get in contact with you to share information
I came here after watching this interview. I’ve been binge watching Mohammeds videos and never saw him react THIS arrogantly before nor have I ever seen him be this rude and cut someone off this much. I was surprised because he’s usually so patient . I was expecting to be convinced about why I should follow Hadith,as a revert this is something I never understood because how is a Hadith more credible than the Christian Bible? Idk… anyway I think you handled it very well despite being cut off and mocked throughout.
Bible is more credible than hadith and Allah orders believers to believe in the Books of God. Also, believers are ordered to uphold the Torah and the Gospel and to distinguish the Truth within them by using the Quran as the discerning Criterion.
5:68:
Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! You have nothing to stand on unless you observe the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.” And your Lord's revelation to you ˹O Prophet˺ will only cause many of them to increase in wickedness and disbelief.
5:48:
We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you. So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences.
Bible has been corrupted
And what about the hadiths when Prophet mohamed predicted about many things happening in ou modern world like
Women dressing like men vice-versa, the alphabet community, Arabs building tall building
Were they false also??
hadiths are credible for sure
@@SaNe.1230 you say the Prophet gave details on how to establish prayer and these details are found in the hadith - prove your statement, cite hadith narrations completely detailing all requirements for establishing prayer (beginning to end).
Hadiths have a very sophisticated chain of narrations. How could you reject the Hadith when Allah said in the Quran that He has revealed the Scripture (i.e. Quran) and the Hikmah (the Wisdom, i.e. Prophet's teachings).
The Qur'an recognizes the Bible and warns us not to follow the hadith. The Qur'an directs us to use the Qur'an as a judge or Criterion (Al-Furqan) to confirm that which came BEFORE (The Bible).
The hadith are purely manmade and not from God. Simple as that.
No amount of hadith science or will change the fact that hadith are manmade and not to be trusted as divine.
Hello i really appreciate your content my friend I'd love to see you make a tutorial for a Quranic salat that's not 2 hours long like every other yt video
Brother I want to connect with you if possible.
Who ever rejects the responsibility seeking guidance they make themselves into groups and start to follow their mala and sheikhs instead of joining people into worshipping one creator.
Ma Sha Allahao brother.
Hello Brother Muhammad, I’ve known that Quran ALONE is the only way FOR YEARS. My family is Sunni and where I live is majority Sunni. Nobody wants to listen. They are so stubborn and stuck in their ways. May Allah guide them .. but we need more of our voices to be heard… what can we do to make this happen ????
ML is a better debater, his logic is more sound, you had a hard time making your point but you got a few points in. You did better than most though but I found your argument unconvincing. Definitely something to work on but I respect you going up and putting yourself out there. Salam
Better? Lol he is an arrogant dude.
Muhammad could create a telegeram group where we can all talk and share opinions? I admire you strenght in faith. God bless you.
Al salaam alaikum brother you are right it's 3 times of the pray, another thing there is no Friday pray and the direction is toward Jerusalem not Qabaa...
The way of the pray is wrong too there is no Rokoaah after after reciting the two aya
Each pray is two Soraa and two Sajdah no silence pray..
See you inshallah in person we are going after Dajal and his aramy inshallah...
I suggest debating with other Sunnis who are not so well known. This will help you get practice. Once you get comfortable with responding to them go after the big fish 🐠 😊
some dmonic shiz
Too many guys called Muhammad. How do we refer to them?
a solution was created after the plague, we use surnames, or we can just use their username
usually the name Muhammad is followed by a second name, for example that guy from Muslim Lantern is called Muhammad Ali, so you can call him Brother Ali
Todays Dawa Muslims are being very deceptive. The first time i met my shayhk, he was asked about hadith... He said because Allah chose the Messenger, he is the best example for us. So we imitate him so Allah is pleased with us. He didnt say, we worship hadith together with the quran.
Is there some reason you think you should be imitating him?
@@Al3XB85 I don't think anything. I'm just explaining the start of how we got here. That hadith wasn't about how it is today. The Muslims today are more hard-core than a hundred years ago.
@@Al3XB85 Because the Quran says that the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh&f) is a good example for anyone who believes in Allah(swt), the Last Day, and mentions/remembers Allah(swt) a lot (33:21)
Be very careful following someone like him everyone. He just blamed the Muslim Lantern for veing sttacked ......
Mentally this guy is not right
Brother how do you explain the multiple Qira'ats in the quran?
how do you pray as quran only?
What i have stumbled upon recently that Qur'an only followers have their own Qur'an in which there are missing two ayahs from one Surah i think its at Tawba, and even its name is different, and they say how sunnis and shias added this two verses, so is this actually true or they are telling lies?
pls answer, critical question
You are talking about those that follow Rashad Khalifa - I don’t believe in that the Quran doesn’t have 2 extra verses
@@MuhammadfromGODand guess how Rashad Khalifa justified removing the two verses?
A: thru hadith
Muhammad, u were totally humiliated kn that discussion... Reciting the quran wrong and no solid logical evidence on ut claim
Those who didn’t believe Moses said the same thing about him. Mocking him for how he spoke.
Are you trying to be gulam ahman...???😂😂😂
Or ultra pro version of SHiA???!!!😂😂😂
If you read surah 30 17-18 states that you should pray in the evening and in the morning, afternoon and noon
Doesn't it mean 4 prayers that's how I understood it
The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Pray as you have seen me praying. When the time of prayer arrives, let one of you announce the call to prayer for you and then let the older of you leader the prayer.”
What is that website you used for the Qaran?
Where is the evidence that "Salaah" means the word "prayer"?
Translations have either been taken from Sunnis or those who gave some credibility to the Sunni narrative.
What i asume is that believers of hadiths are seeking for details. But Allah states in the Quran that he gives detail if it’s needed, so praying time is left to us, aslong it is in the night for example.
Allah says to follow Allah and his messenger. You do that from Hadith saying of the prophet.
You Quran only people are lost.
@@wingnut6985 "I wanted to have the traditions of the Prophet written down, but I fear that the Book of God might be encroached upon. Hence I shall not permit this to happen." Umar ibn al-Khaṭṭāb RA
Why do you think the Sahaba is lost?
@@gavinminty4974 first of all is this sahih? Also what is the context? Some people were writing duas and Hadith on the same thing they were writing Quranic verses. Second of all it doesn’t matter what 1 sahaba opinion is because Quran tells you to obey the prophet. You do that through the Hadith.
@@wingnut6985 these are authentic Hadith. You should know. Also it was at least 2 Sahabi. Abu Bakr RA and Umar RA. The first and second Caliphates.
Who both rejected the Hadith.
So I ask. Why should we do that which those who knew the prophet pbuh best didn’t want us to?
@@gavinminty4974 source!!!! Sorry I haven’t memorized every Hadith. I am not Bukhari. The fact that you didn’t site the source is suspect.
Also in Surah Qiyaama it says it is upon Allah to explain the verses. Where do you get these explanations for the meanings…..?? Ohh that’s right you get them from Hadith!
By the way if you are Quran only person then you don’t know how to pray and you don’t know what to say in prayer.
Quranist are a lost people. May Allah guide you.
Well done on maintaining your composure. It must have been very tough to remain that calm.
The Quran is really all you need. Hadeeth books are nice because one can learn a lot from them, especially around how to apply your thinking. But I do not give it the same weighting as the Quran. My family hates me for this view and they feel offended when I say I am only a Muslim- they insist on calling me a Sunni. What I found, by removing hadeeths, I am more open-minded, more accepting of differences, and more tolerating of different peoples believes and opinions. Sunni's have become so obsessed with minor details, like how to keep your toes in sujood, that they have completely lost track of whats really important, and that is to be present in your prayers, and to build a connection with Allah in your prayers. If im constantly thinking about my toes in prayer, when am I actually thinking about Allah?
Sunnis and shias when I question them which one of the hadiths is real: 🤐
The farewell pilgrimage of prophet Muhammed is a corner stone in the Muslim history. The final sermon given by the prophet during this pilgrimage was witnessed by thousands of Muslims. There are however three versions of this sermon in the hadith books. This by itself reflects the degree of inconsistency of the hadith books as this is the most witnessed speech of prophet Muhammed.
1- First version, " I left for you what if you hold on to, you will never be misguided, the book of God and my family. Muslim 44/4, Nu2408; Ibn Hanbal 4/366; darimi 23/1, nu 3319.
This is the version upheld by the Shia Muslims.
2-Second version, "I left for you what if you hold on to, you will never be misguided, the book of God and my sunnah" . Muwatta, 46/3
This is the version upheld by the Sunni Muslims.
3- Third version, "I left for you what if you hold on to, you will never be misguided, the book of God." Muslim 15/19, nu 1218; Ibn Majah 25/84, Abu dawud 11/56.
2nd one is real.
all 3 are found in your cult's sources.@@mahbuburrahman2499
@@mahbuburrahman2499 The first one (Book of Allah and my Family) is literally in Sahih Muslim
My question is, since you reject all ahadeeth, how do you explain that there are different qira’ahs of the Quran?
I actually just uploaded a video explaining this. There's hadeeths that say Allah revealed the Qur'an in 7 Ahruf's which is a Myth! And what does Ahruf even mean?? Is it 'reading'? 'recitation'? 'mode'? 'accent'? 'dialect'? Did you know there are over 40 different opinions as to what is means!
And how many Qira'at are there exactly? Ibn Mujahid reported 7, ibn Jazari reported 10, Abu Ubayd said 25, and the list goes on!
And why did Uthman BURN (destroy) ALL these Ahruf's except the Qur'ayshi one?? Weren't the other 6 Ahruf's ALSO from Allah as well??
And why did Abdullah ibn Masud exclude the last 2 Suras from his Mushaf? It's because he did not believe they were part if the Qur'an!
It is reported that ibn Hajjaj made several changes to the Qur'an! Are we to believe this??
These hadeeths make absolutely no sense and confuse the hell out of everyone. I believe these 'variant' Qur'ans appeared over the centries during the transcription and distrubution phase. You must remember that the Qur'an was HAND WRITTEN by scribes and they made multiple copies and distributed them to different parts of the wolrd and it's likely there may have been some minor differences between the copies. For example, Afala Ta'qiloon verses Afala Ya'qiloon (Hafs vs Warsh). But these variances DO NOT affect the meanings from a 'theological' percpective.
The Qur'an says that Allah will preserve 'THE DHIKR' (the Reminder) and NOT the Mushaf (written copies). Allah was very precise with His choice of Words!
And remember, the Qur'an speaks highly of previous Scriptures (Tawra & Injeel) and refers to them as Light, Guidance, Criterion, and DHIKR as well. Therefore, the Dhikr is protected in ALL of Allah's scriptures!
@@negeto2460 So the Quran has not been preserved?
@@negeto2460 Afala Ya’qiloon vs Afala Ta’qiloon, which one of them is correct?
@@eliasn7927brother, Allah was very PRESICE with His choice of words! Verse 15:9 says:
"" Indeed, it is We who sent down THE MESSAGE (aththikra) [i.e., the Qur’ān], and indeed, We will be ITS (lahu) guardian.""
The verse did NOT say Allah will protect the Qur'an or the written copies of the Qur'an! The written copies of the Qur'an are from human beings (not angels) my brother. The 'THIKR' is simply as 'aspect' or an 'element' of the Qur'an. You can even say it is an 'attribute'. Just like how the Qur'an is described as 'hudan' or 'furqan'.
Therefore, it is the THIKR aspect or the THIKR element of the Qur'an and IT IS THAT (lahu) which Allah is protecting.
But, let's not forget that previous Scriptures (Tawra / Injeel) are also described as THIKR. That would necessitate that the THIKR in them must be protected as well. Why do i say this?
Brother, what is the fate of ALL the people (jews, sabians, christians) before the Qur'an was revealed if their Scriptures were completely corrupted, changed, and unreliable? What were they using as their GUIDANCE if their Scriptures were corrupted & lost??? And why would they be held accountable on the Day of Judgement if Allah allowed for their Scriptures to be corrupted & rendered unreliable??
This question is answered in detail throughout the Qur'an. The Qur'an does NOT say that their Scriptures (Tawra / injeel) were corrupted and distorted. But rather, their UNDERSTANDING of their Scriptures was distorted and corrupt!
Watch my video on my channel were I prove this numerous verses.
@@eliasn7927it does not matter which version we recite brother. These MINOR differences DO NOT alter the DHIKR (reminder / message). The scribes wrote down the Qur'an to the best of their abilities during the life time of the prophet. And the people continued writing out the Qur'an (making multiple copies) and then distributed them around the world. It's only natural that these varient readings appeared over the centuries. This just shows that we are HUMAN!
Allah did NOT send down angels to make multiple copies of the Qur'an and have them dustributed around the world.
Salam Brother; I’ve read it and came to the conclusion that it is 5 salat… They’res Two ends of the Night; There is a Miday Prayer and The Before sunset Prayer
It said Prayers in Evening (So More than One) so that means two at Night. Those are Fard
Now The Qur’an even mentions Optional Prayers at late night
The thing with lantern is that because he is not a native Arabic speaker and his only real reference point for Arabic is through Qur'an recitation, he has overlooked that your Arabic, which is native, is used more loosely and comes with it the colloquial anomalies that are intrinsic to native speech... and also it's a lot easier to do things like skip small parts etc as a native speaker
He acts as though he is the superior Arabic speaker but actually, ironically he isn't proficient enough in arabic to make the kinds of "mistakes" you made
This is the Qur'an we are speaking about. It doesn't matter what "kind of mistakes" as in the end there's either correct or incorrect. Please have a look at what you said again.
How do you know that the Muslim Lantern isn't a native speaker?
@@karimmezghiche9921he is Pakistani
@@Al3XB85
He doesn't look or sound Pakistani at all, he seems to be an Egyptian
@@karimmezghiche9921 he can't speak Arabic, he can recite the Qur'an of course and he has memorized the meanings of the words, but he doesn't speak Arabic natively, like an Egyptian person would.. I've known plenty of Pakistanis that look and sound just like him
you pray like we shia 😀😀😀 is this new salafi way?
😂😂😂
Than you are in the wrong way too...😂😂😂
@@lonelygangsman4996 you must be greek god to judge 😅
@@lonelygangsman4996 since you are sunni look at your sunni hadith book that has been narrated from ibni abbas saying Resulullah one day prayed 3 times and there were no reason when we ask Resulullah said i want make it easy for my ummah. so who is lying now? Rasulullah or Muslim or bukhari? 😅😅😅
Asselam aleikum Muhammed
Brother can you show how you pray ?
I'm not sure about my prayer i dont want to make something wrong
Before i pray i ask Allah to forgive me when i say or do something wrong
I'm little bit confused
Selam to everyone❤
😂😂😂we can't show you...!!!! Because his video would be one hour long...😂😂😂
Brother you are not a schooler and you are breaking down it how???!!!!!
You don’t know the language or its grammar and its history...!!???
And you’re acting like imam???!!!😂😂😂how brother???!!!
Little knowledge is dangerous.
Brother you need to learn more about Islam and quran...
May Allah guide you...
Or if you are America's agent may Allah distroy you...
There's nothing you can do wrong if you pray sincerely.
@@blackpalacemusic dont spread misguidance
The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Pray as you have seen me praying. When the time of prayer arrives, let one of you announce the call to prayer for you and then let the older of you leader the prayer.”
how to read the Pdf online
Brother , there is an issue with your number of prayers from the verses of the Quran.
As you can see the verse says
حافظوا على الصلوات والصلاة الوسطى
In arabic you have ways to reference a singular, couple, and three or more.
the verse says keep the prayers (Salawat) and the middle orayer.
not
keep the Two prayers (Salatain) and the middle prayer.
Meaning there are three or more prayers other than the middle prayer.
i want to ask... do you really believe or are you paid oposition to make Islam look bad?
Shia hadiths say to compare everything to the Quran and Sunnah and whatever goes against the Quran, to throw it against the wall, which is wise and allows us to take from the many beneficial things that we find in hadiths (like how we take advice from modern medicine), as long as it doesn't go against the Quran.
I have a question how do you resolve contradictions between ayahs of quran?
I know you didn't ask me but what are some supposed contractions?
@@GoldenGeorge8989 here is one supposed contradiction: there are three prayers mentioned in quran but five in hadith literature. how does one resolve that?
@@rossmanmagnus yes, there are contradictions between Hadith and Quran. But are there any within the Quran itself?
@@GoldenGeorge8989 it's not my topic but yes it seems so. one example is the order of early creation like stars and trees and such is listed differently depending on which chapter you read
Hassan farhan al maliki... Questioned these things, and presented an AMAZING proposition... They threw him in jail and wanted to do the capital punishment... This is how the ummah is.
Every time someone tries to point out they're wrong, they reply: "For 1400 years, no one said it was wrong, who are you to say bla bla"
And this is the dumbest argument, because if EACH generation tried to innovate and revise the 'religion' they reply with "we've been doing it for this long, who are you"
Then one would arrive at the conclusion of, they'll never EVER improve or revise it.
And you know what's funny?
I can destroy their entire premise with 3 sentences:
- Hadiths: Prophet FORBADE us from writing ANYTHING other than the Quran.
- Hadiths: There will come a time when his ummah will be divided into 73 parties, only ONE will go to heaven.
- Quran: Prophet saying to Allah that his ummah FORSAKE the Quran
These, amongst many others, are PROOF that they're wrong.
These fools claim to follow the Sunah but they are so arrogant. He doesn't give you the chance to explain yourself. Allah grant them guidance
you claim validation of the number of prayers from a sect "ismaili" you are not a true quranist.
the Muslim lantern boy 😅reminds me of the Christian Prince, he drown a person's response with he's babbling 😂
Salamun Alaykum , I hope you're well brother , I support you in defence of the Qur'an from these talmudic "muslims".
but I think you should Question what ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ really is , and it is not a "prayer" or a ritualized and mechanized movements.
Yo my guy, real recognize real, your authenticity naturally flows through you, personally I think you can put your energy towards new content cause your efforts are not matched from his side, I wouldn't let buddy live rent free in your head...let me know I can help put these guys on blast,
Fr, he is authentic and he's just trying to find out the truth
@@Soul-zv3eh you can't find out the truth and that is something you have to accept.
Visual you being amongst a group off the same type tree, and I tell you to bring me an identical branch amongst your group. Have fun
@@user-bu8ic2sy9k i have no idea what you just said lool
@@user-bu8ic2sy9kHello brother, you said you could help brother Muhammad out. What do you mean through this? Do you mean like video editing and stuff?
Sunnah Bro. Sunnah is not necessarily Hadith. rather a living tradition of the prophet which was followed by the later generation.
People were praying, fast, hajj, zakat well before even documenting the hadith maybe well 200 years before to be safe.
People were not reading Sahih Bukhari at the time of prophet or even after his death to know how to offer salah. or passing information with chain that was the later development.
You should be praying 5 times and practice everything of the 5 pillar even if you are a Quranist.
Again excellent Job brother.
do you pray 5 prayers?
Brother they do 5 times a day in mecca and medina .if you have a strong case present it instead of being ignarant. The way you come across as a christian trying to be a muslim.
You should have stuck to making your videos and avoided Shamsi and Muhammad Ali.
Prove that your sincere and tell the folks how you structure your salah, be clear and people won't right you off as a fraud.
Just your face here and expressions are like the guy who got battered and then later made a video about how he hasn't been touched.
Also your silly tactics in avoiding directly answering any questions is quite transparent.
That's strange, this comment section is full of sincere people, even Sunnis, who have come here to denounce the Muhammad Ali's behaviour. Many have found his channel purely from that video
May Allah guide you
I don't know why you will reject Hadith but yet pray fajr 2 zuhr 4 Asr 4 magrib 3 and isha 4. And if you don't pray all, where is it in the he Quran . Don't follow yiue desires bro. Prophet Muhammad said this type of people recline in their sit and saying I'll only follow the Quran.
with all do respect Muhammed, if you had only 2% knowledge of what The Muslim Lantern has you would not make a fool of yourself every time you open your mouth.
May Allah guide you.
saying "with all do respect" and then being completely disrespectful doesn't excuse your arrogance.
do me a favor, since "he made me look like a fool" - go find the video again on his channel, and when you cannot, ask yourself why did he remove it.
You clearly have ears that don't work, with all due respect.
Im a Christian but am interested in islam and the arguments within the religion as is similar in Christianity
visit my channel if you want to reach knowledge about the Quran
Not sure it's a good idea to start name calling the Sunnis sleazy. I think we should honourable agree to disagree even though they get nasty.
Allah says if you love me follow my prophet - prophet was a walking Quran
Fajr, Dhur, and Asr are the general times the Jews prayed.
Only I think for Jews it is 9am, 3pm, and 6pm
Selam Mohamed
Just some advice, you are going about it the wrong way. Theres no point to draw battle lines and argue with someone who is ardently apposed to the Ayahs of the Quran. This is not going to have a positive outcome. You can only do this kind of argument with people who are sincere to learn more and get to the truth and have the ability to use akil. Its better not to divide as Allah says. Submit with this who submit. Remind people to come back to the source in the nicest possible manner. If you can see they are heavily argumentative and cant comprehend basic messages of the Quran theres no point to continue the argument. Better to spend your energy on someone who is willing to listen and learn.
even though you both have difference in opinion in themuslimlantern's video both of you were interrupting each other and i'd recommend not to create hatred or rivalry as we are all muslim
not according to muslim lantern.
you do have potential to make me believe you but you do really messy conversion with him :(
@Mohammad, Good work brother.
Rather then debating about Quranic verses (which are secondary source for them) , Haddeeth worshippers can easily be given a intellect knockout with sentences below:
Is Bukhari hadeeth a Wahi? (lol, hadeeth worshippers will be stuck, as Yes or No both answers will be impossible to answer)
If the Quran was revealed other than Muhammad, would we still regard him a messenger? (Hadeeth worshippers will answer No, so we say "So Quran makes him a messenger, right!".
A messenger of any kind delivers SOMEONES message NOT not his own. Agree? (Again hadeeth worshippers has to agree)
Peace and God bless.
How ur trying to save ur case but it won’t help as it was clear in the chat with Muslim lantern that u were not able to support ur belief
27:46 dat face tho 😂
theres a reason your attracting dmons
I have watched that video..i felt how you have been embarrassed your self
May Allah give you hidayath brother
God willing he will get better. He is new to those kinds of discussions.
Of course when you interrupt your opponent every minute and cut out the video so we dont see when he rebutted what you said or made good points its going to look like the opponent "embarrassed" themselves
video released: 1 hour ago
comment: 11 hours ago condemning without even watching.
@@aaronstibeljr2584😂
Jesus is not a sign of the hour as you showed us in your video, it's rather the book
But do you believe in the Dajjal or Imam Mahdi?
Show me a SINGLE verse that mentions the dajjal and Mehdi and I will believe 😊
dajjal and mahdi is a judeo-christian baggage that does not exist in the Qur'an.
Second coming of Jesus , dajjal mahdi all these won’t happen these are fake . These are Christian beleifs.
When you recite the Qur'an you need to slow down and recite it clearly. How would you react if I call you Mutammad again and again? You'd definitely correct me on the spot. And if you're gonna recite 2 different verses you need to specify that as well. Us viewers would think it's the same verse.
Asalam Alaykum, I think you missed a few powerful rebuttals that would’ve put the green lantern on the backend. But ultimately prayer is undeniably an issue for Quranists, because there is no “right way” because there is “purposefully no explanation” so some quranists prayer the entirety of the timeframe, some just do a quick prayer, some don’t even pray, some say you can incorporate any movements, there’s no consistency and ultimately none of the aforementioned ways was ever historically documented as the way the prophet used to pray with the companions. It’s undeniable that the concept of praying an entire timeframe is not the way Muslims have ever prayed for the prayers (besides Qayam up layl) but Sunnis and Shia alike do not do it. I agree that the concept of where do my hands go and other technical rulings are not important because If the movement itself was compulsory it would’ve been in the Quran.
How were muslims praying 200 years before Bukhari came?
Also even that argument aside, you keep forcing a strucutre from the hadiths on the Quran, what if there is not supposed to be a rigid structure in the first place? How do you know? Cause the hadiths says so? Circular reasoning
wait so what you are saying in principle,is that you can pray any way you want in salah
they will say it was there befor they made hadith they are mushriks brothers just lying about some thing that have never been there just following their family @@NinjaKiller999
wheres the right way? scholars said? bukhari wrote? we cant trust human hear say, quran is word of God revealed to Muhammad, thats the ultimate truth, you can add any bida from Ahlul bid'a wal Jama'a you may like. quranist is wierd term like "sunni" muslim is the right word. if someone puts word of Allah above bukhari or muslim or anyone, doesnt mean you need to call them out as some bookist or something. thats what Allah warns us and tells us not to follow those who put the holy book behind their backs. literally, isnt quran on the backfoot when it comes to Sunnis or Shias?
For me the fact that God in the Quran doesn't describe how to pray means this has been consistent since the books moses and probably even from the time of Noah and earlier. None of the books of the old testament describe how an individual should pray. Jesus in the Gospels does mention it but it seems flexible.
However I do like the Sunni way of praying. I like the structure. It helps be disciplined and kind of helps me focus which I find hard to do. Maybe there is a better way for me to get my focus?
I think each to their own and wish Sunnis would be tolerant. But I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon
Save your excuses until you study the language properly. This is disgraceful, someone trying to speak about the Quran and its meanings and not knowing the language.
Those who are here commenting in praise of this guy, I dont know who to feel more sorry for. May Allah guide us to his path.
Once again these hadith rejectors don't understand the Quran yet so arrogant in their ignorance
I saw his recording.. you cut and edited yours.. he embarrassed you 😂
three parts where i answered he cut out
do me a favor
go on his channel and find the video
then go and ponder on why you couldn't...
That is a understatement tbh, he finished him
Signs of the hour. Even Dajjal will have followers. May Allah guide you to the truth ameen
Then wait for ur whole life to see dajjal. OMG! It's odd!
الطبرى الذى فسر القران هل كان رافضاً للحديث كله ؟ وهل استخدم الاحاديث كأداة للتفسير ام لا؟
الطبري هو اكبر مزور للتاريخ الاسلامي كذلك تلاعب بتفسير القران
ما هو الا يهودي من طبرستان ثم اسلم
هو من الذين اسسوا الدين السني وهم العباسيون من خراسان ولا علاقة لهم بمكة وهي اصلا لا تعني قرية في القران
كله من تلفيق العباسيين
@@qudsiyahibrahim7023
مكة هي صفة وليست بمكان:
مكة تعني القهر والتسلط
مَكَّ الشيءَ:
نقَصه أَو أَهلكه.
: (فعل)
مَكِيَتْ مَكًامَكِيَتْ يَدُهُ : قَرِحَتْ من العمل ونحوه
تعريف و معنى مك مك في قاموس الكل. قاموس عربي عربي
مَك (المعجم الرائد)
مك - يمك ، مكا
1- مك العظم : مص ما فيه وما عليه. 2- مك الشيء : أهلكه. 3- مك : غريمه الح وضيق عليه في الطلب ولم يلاينه.
المختصر
مَكَّ (المعجم المعجم الوسيط)
مَكَّ العَظمَ مَكَّ ُ مَكًّا: مصّ جميعَ ما فيه.
و مَكَّ غريمَه: أَلحَّ عليه في الاقتصاءِ.
و مَكَّ الشيءَ: نقَصه أَو أَهلكه.
المختصر
مَكَّ (المعجم الغني)
[م ك ك]. (فعل: ثلاثي متعد). مَكَكْتُ، أَمُكُّ، مُكَّ، مصدر مَكٌّ. :-مَكَّ العَظْمَ :- : مَشَّ، مَصَّ جَمِيعَ مَا فِيهِ مِنْ مُخَاخَةٍ.
بكة تعني السعة والحرية والرحمة والتعاون
يثرب تعني التقريع والافساد وتقرير بالذنب وقلة العطاء والقبح
في تثريب اي في افساد
اثرب قل عطاءه وكثر فساده
لا تثريب اي لا تقريع
جغرافية القران تختلف تماما عن جغرافية مكة الحالي بل لا توجد خرائط قديمة تظهر هذه المدينة ولا ادلة تاريخية من داخل المدينة
٢٠٠ عام من الاسلام غامض: لا كتب ولا نقوش ولا خرائط قديمة (عن مكة والقدس والمدينة) ولا نقود ولا اثار يدل على هذا التاريخ المزيف. كل اهل الارض يعتمد عليها الا اهل التراث لان بكل بساطة هم يعرفون ان تراثهم كاذب فلا يستطيعون مواجهة الواقع
وما نراه فقط عنعنات وكتب متأخرة ظهرت بعد مئات من السنين
@@qudsiyahibrahim7023
It is hard to explain in english
Let me translate it first
@@qudsiyahibrahim7023
I have many studies about salah and ramadan and many more but in arabic also
Tabari is confirming what the same conclusion I reached by GOD’s guidance. I used his tafsir to show that your own books say the same thing.
Assalamualaikum brother i want you to make video on prophecy of Muhammad saw(pbuh) in 'song of Solomon' please please 😢
There’s 5 prayers in the Quran only thing you got wrong brother
I dont agree that there is a prayer in quran even though i am a mutazila. Salat is allahs law and not the jewish prophets prayer.