Legion P229 .357 SIG - Ultimate Fanboy Gun?
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Lucky dog! This is on the top of my list for fantasy dream guns, the perfect caliber, the perfect model of Sig!
I have been shooting the .357 Sig for years in a Sig Nightmare because I prefer the 1911 style trigger. Correct me if I am wrong but you mentioned this round is necked down from a .40 S&W to. 9mm projectile. Although somewhat true (it is a .355 round) I believe the casing Is actually a 10mm shortened to a .40 since the thicker casing is required to handle the higher pressures. This results in the superior penetration and velocities this round provides over the 9mm and .40 S&W.
yes, ofc,necked down 10
40 would start out too short.
his idea was right i guess
haha! i nearly lost it at 10:56! so funny! i loved the video as much as your sense of humor! keep up the great work brother, i DEFINITELY have to get myself a legion 229. i got to handle one once and the feel in handle along with the trigger is just unparalleled.
357 Sig! That's the way to go! Congrats on getting the gun Justin and thank you again for all of your excellent reviews.
Great job on this video, love the Legion series of the classic P220 line of SIG pistols. Hope to get one myself. Keep up the good work, you make really high quality vids.
who is here after seeing the Jack Wilson shot?
Rodney Sparks right here my guy!!
Me. Thats quite a solid carry gun. All business
To bad it only comes in 9mm now, guess my only .357 Sig will be a G32...
Lance H
Don’t get G32. Not a good idea. Get a 229 in 357 sig. I know they don’t make legion anymore, but there are other models of 229 available in 357 sig. Just don’t get G32 if you want to shoot a lot.
Bryce Czirr
I agree on lethality, but there is another side. 357 sig is just more fun to shoot for some people. I really don’t care that 9mm is lethal enough now days, I realize it. I have 2 legion 229 pistols, one in 9mm and one in 357 sig. And it’s like driving a Toyota Corolla vs driving an Acura NSX. When I’m looking forward to my gun day, I’m not really looking forward to shooting 9 mil, it’s a little boring, I’m thinking 357 sig every time, it’s just fun for me. To each is own and I respect everybody’s opinion.
Such a beautiful gun and love all the mods on the legion. Hope to pick one up soon . Love your vids
I have a 229 357 DAK, 228 M11-A1 and 229 Legion 9mm. All great guns!
Love that super audible, crisp reset
I have always felt a .357 should be a revolver however I'm tempted to buy this. I just ordered the 226 legion 3 days ago as well.
excellent video as usual. Really appreciate all of your videos. Excellent information source.
Thanks, man.
Been looking into the legion guns. Awesome video👍
Good shooting! It annoys me when people do shooting reviews and don't show the target, they just show them shooting the gun...so thank you. I just ordered one, so I'll be shooting by Friday!!!😁😁😁😁
Thank you for that excellent review.
Thanks for the excellent comment!
Absolutely love this 229, thanks for the vid. Also like the xray sights, may grab some for my 320.
It is all good all around! Nice as always!
Thanks!
The Sig Legion P229 in .357 sig caliber. IMO, the best handgun in the Legion Series.
Thanks for the great review. I'm an admitted Sig fanboy and just put down some hard earned coin on this very model. Looking forward to putting it thru its paces. Love Sigs, it will join my P226, P238 and P320 Compact,
Good review. I am also a "fanboy" of these Sigs. My 2 Legions, 226 and 229 are great shooters. Waiting for the 220 now. I have now subscribed to this channel. I like the "not taking yourself so serious" approach. Great sense of humor. That is missing in most gun reviews as most guys are so serious and tactical. Nice job.
Excellent job the camera is extremely clear and sharp !!! Thanks
Thanks much.
Just got the first 500 through my Sig Legion p229 9mm ready to carry now. Got my case, coin , legion holster and legion gray t-shirt yesterday. I'm officially a Legion fanboy now!! Now I've got to find the Legion p226 SAO.
Brought mine home last night. I can't wait to get to the range this weekend! Thanks for another great video and recommendation.
Happy to help another addict get his fix! Enjoy!
Wow, I really need to get some OT so I can get one of those. Looks amazing, yeah big surprise there, it is a Sweet & Sauer after all. You always have such nice guns to show, appreciate you baking out there to bring us the video. Have a great week brother.
Thanks - you too.
fumasterchu12 I see what you did there.....sweet & Sauer= sweet & sour....haha
Get a regular 229 and buy the parts. It’s cheaper
Liking the new intro and music. That legion grey and grey pants looks awesome.
Thanks!
Bought a .357Sig EFK Firedragon conversion bbl for my FNS-40 ..... great decision, love it ...
Put 1 on my Beretta 96a1
Rich Ki. How has that been working for ya?
Love the 357 sig, you get increased velocity and energy over the 9mm and it will punch through barriers that neither the 9mm (due to velocity) or the 40 (due to diameter). I have conversions for a couple of my sigs, you just have to watch their parts list, they don't keep then in stock. Totally agree about the legion series, you pay more but you get more, the gray group trigger kit and xray 3 night sights for starters...
I also got a 357 p320 and put the X 5 grip frame on it, this too is a amazing gun.
I don’t ever compare the cost of ammo whet it comes to 357sig to any other round that I take to the range. To me an only ME , if I decide to buy the tool, then I have to learn to use it.My first intro to the 357sig round was in 2008, M&P 357sig full size. Still have it , got my ccl with it. Safe an sound in my safe. 357sig, an 45acp for me.Love your channel!
great review. got the p229 legion in 9mm from my wife for a 10 year ann present. This is my first sig and I'm in love with it. I fully understand why you sound like a fanboy...I can't put it down.
What a nice gun and Good vid...
Great intro to this video! I totally agree with your assessment on the LEGION and dig the fanboy outfit!! I also have the 229 in 357 with a 40 barrel on the side. I do not know who thought of that worthless slide release but its gotta go in favor of a normal one. I do find that for my hands the trigger is still a bit far forward in DA mode. Thinking of installing the short reach trigger. I have a pair of P250's and they run like scalded apes. Love the DA on the P250 model. The 229 Legion pull is very sweet as well.The reset is scary short and light on the Legion. Overall a great gun and superb color scheme in PVD Grey. Thanks for the review and humor!
Thanks for the comment!
I love the reset after every shot. I just notice that! What grain are u shooting, thru the gun Justin Opinion?
that thumbnail picture is just perfect
;-) I try not to take myself or most things too seriously. I take safety and being a good ambassador for shooting seriously, everything else is fair game!
Great video. Once you get about 400-500 rounds the slide release will become much easier. They tend to be stiff when new but the'll loosen up.
Justin ~ Made a couple of additional mods to mine that have truly transformed it to mythical proportions! Drop me a line here and I'll fill you in. I think you'd really appreciate these!
D.
Justin, now that this is 5 years later. I hope you can get your hands on the new Sig 226 ZEV and bring us a review and a price.👍
I forgot to mention, I have a legion 226 in 9mm and I love her so much.
I recently bought the P220 Legion and I have a P229 357 waiting for me at my local shop to be picked up. So far I really really like the 220. Three things that I really like about the Legions are the undercut at the rear of the trigger guard, the G-10 grips, and the checkered front strap. The gun really stick to my hand. I don't mind that the slide stop has been trimmed down, because of my training I don't really use it anyway. The slide stop on SIG's has been problematic for me due to my grip as I tend to deactivate it after the last round and the slide won't stay open. This trimmed down version seems to have taken care of that. The one thing that I don't really care for on the Legion is the trimmed down decocker. It's a bit too small for me, but its not a deal breaker.
I have the same exact pistol and its what I carry for CCW.
Bought a Sig P228 (AKA M11A1) 9mm a few years back and am currently thinking of adding the P229 specifically for the 357SIG to keep my M11 and P227 (45ACP) company. I am a huge fan of the round and often carry my GLOCK models G22 and G23 converted to 357 Sig via barrel swaps. While I am a huge Sig fan, I haven't been bit by the "Legion" bug in their series.
I bought my P229C because of you, now I have a P229 legion 357 sig on it's way to me and I blame you for that too!
muwahahahaha... my mind control abilities are taking effect...
Sig is only manufacturing the P229 Legion, in 9mm right now. My guess is that the Legion in .40/.357sig is not selling, because of the much more expensive ammo .40/.357sig is. 9mm is much cheaper, so going with 9mm P229 Legion pistols only, is a logical business decision.
Was thinking of dropping a 357sig barrel in a stainless elite 229. I imagine that would be pretty manageable with the weight right?
I had a glock 32 gen 4 and it had magazine issues. It never jammed with fmj’s and I never SHOT hollow points through it but I did have a gold dot jam when I cycled it by hand. Anybody else have that issue?
Thanks, I notice you shot your P229 faster than the Glock 33, and I think more accurately (I watched that video yesterday) too.
Probably so. They are different size guns
A legion 1911 in .45 would be awesome. I'll be getting a .40 229 legion soon.
I have the Elite P229 which I paid a lot of money for and I love it.
awesome video.. have u tried the new colt brand all copper h.p. ammo?
I haven't yet. Hope to.
I liked my buddy's so much went and got p229 legion rx for me
I love how you are using the uplula to load. Holy shit I have my 229 legion and that is one hell of a heavy spring on those mags after you've hand loaded 200+ rounds. I also agree on the slide stop being just a little to small as it literally renders it useless.
Otherwise the G10 grips are awesome and so are the sights. I have to admit that for a daily this is a great firearm. Iam actually thinking of getting making the legion 226 my next purchase. Yes, Iam a dog fan boy.
Be honest, you were either free balling or had Legion underwear on :) Good video, excellent review. I love my Sig Legion 229 in 9mm, maybe now my favorite Sig of the many I own.
How do you like this version compared to the 10mm?
Try the Glock 32, less recoil, lighter gun. Also what really is amazing is the Glock 33. Except for the shorter grip, you can't tell the difference between the 32 & 33. Also, you can get the Sig p320 compact in 357sig. I will be trying that one in 2018, as soon as Sig gets their p320 issues worked out.
There is a P229 legion 357SIG at my local gun shop on consignment that I am really wanting!!!!
Great video I own two legions myself. Also, a member or Bridgeville.
+Justin opinion
Are conversion barrels offered in the Legion catalog? It looks like the Legion P229 barrels have a coating on the barrel hood that the stock conversion barrels lack. I want to buy a .357 Sig Legion P229; and purchase a .40 S&W barrel for versatility. As always, thank you for providing educational and entertaining content.
Also I just will add that I carry Federal HST and sometimes its really hard to find at a civilized price which is frustrating.
As my name states I'm a glock guy, this gun has not changed my opinion of glocks but it has changed how I feel about Sig Sauer!!! I am a fanboy as well and I'll be ordering all the Legion gear, I just wish they had a winter jacket lol.
I wouldn't be surprised if they come out with one!
I was like. “No wonder why it’s not releasing the slide”. That’s not the slide release
Great review and channel. How do you like the .357 sig round.. Our local State Troopers swear by it...
I'm no expert on the round, but it's fun to shoot. Accurate and powerful - but very expensive. Tricky to reload. So I don't shoot it in much volume.
@@JustinOpinionChannel Why tricky? I reload the 357 Sig finding it just as easy as any other semi-auto round. It sure beats paying the ridiculous prices most big factory ammo costs!
Thx Justin, I'm considering getting one. I'm curious why u chose the 229 over 226, I can't decide which one whatcha think?
Justin has both! That's an easy decision 🤗
Depends on your hand size - p226 is a slightly larger gun and grip. The P229 is overbuilt and can easily be converted from 9mm, 40 S&W & Sig 357. 9mm uses a different slide. P226 used by Navy Seals. P229 used by Secret Service.
@Justin Opinion - How would you rate the recoil of the .357SIG coming out of the P229 Legion?
Very manageable. I really enjoy shooting it.
I really wish they'd make a sig 226 in 10mm.....
same or less recoil then a smith 686 with 125 gr ammo ??
Make that a SAO and I'm in!
How is the finish holding up?
cant blame ya for being a fan boy Its next on my list.
JO, great vids, as always. I really want a sig especially in 357 sig. Do you think you can review a P239? It seems to be the most "forgotten sig" but i really like the dimensions. I assume you only test guns you own but maybe you could get one on loan for testing?
Btw, i am strangely drawn to that sig p229 sas carry you reviewed. I never quite liked handguns with those type of proportions (short slide with long grip). I was actually considering getting a P224 until it got such a bad wrap.
If I get an opportunity, I will surely review a P239.
I LOVE that gun. It will make more appearances, I promise.
Do you own any West German Sigs? And if so, how do the newer Sigs compare quality and reliability wise? I read so much conflicting opinions .
I don't. But I'm willing to take them in, if anyone wants to send some (Young Beretta).
Justin you are Legion. Nice. Would u consider you're 9mm Legion to be jumpy insofar as bore axis...
Not a bit. One of the flattest shooters I own.
Justin, awesome video.
I need your opinion, haha.
Would you trade in a Kimber Ultra 2 in .45 for a P229 Legion?
In a heartbeat!
hey justin, judging from your intro music, you're into metal. what are some of your favorite bands?
Oh boy. I have very diverse tastes, but always come back to basics. Can't top Led Zeppelin, I don't care who you are. Love most classic rock stuff, but the harder stuff (i.e. not Styx or Journey - yuk). Absolutely LOVE RUSH, and first saw them back when they were still playing 2112 in it's entirety. Mostly, I love bands that can 'bring it' and seem to be loving what they do.
It's a great caliber. Just a heads up, 357 SIG is necked down 10mm, not necked down .40.
so which do you prefer this gun in ? .357 sig or .40? i switched over to using accurate arms #5 powder for the .357 sig and precision delta 9mm 124 gr jhp's. buying factory got wayyyyy too expensive.
I think I enjoy shooting .357 SIG a bit more, but I can afford to shoot .40 a lot more!
I wanted to purchase a Sig P229 Enhanced Elite. But then I saw the Legion series and fell in love. My only concern is I heard their are issues with the PVD finish. Have you noticed any problems.
I have, actually. The gray seems prone to scratching easily and there are a few areas where it is noticeable. Ont the vertical front of the trigger guard, where the holster retention point causes abrasion; On the left side of the grip front strap where my ring contacted it when shooting left-handed; Along the front edge of the rails where wear is normal. What you get is a gold/bronze color that seems to be beneath the gray. It will be interesting to see if they are able to figure that out and prevent it in the future.
Just finished reading your review of the 45ACP Shield. Do you think it will need Talon grips ??
I just put Talon' rubber on my S&W Victory !!!
Actually, I do. The new grip texture is excellent for the range and would be great on a OWB carry gun, but might be a little too abrasive and uncomfortable for IWB against bare skin. A rubber Talon would maintain high grip quality and make it soft against the body.
Justin Opinion
I understand !! Love Talon Grips !!! Gun Manufacturers should either hook up with Talon and have their guns come with the grips pre-installed or do it themselves !!!
Example: my 9mm PPQ-M2 felt Wonderful Before I installed Talon rubber grips and Incredible After !!!
I didn't think I could have improved that gun.
Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig? Let’s think about that for ourselves for just a moment, shall we? I get it that some people pick a side and feel the need to defend their choice, but not to the extent of regurgitating pure nonsense that they themselves were misinformed on.
Some ammo manufacturers actually have loads that even surpasses the ballistics of traditional 357 magnum performance. Underwood's 357 SIG Gold Dot for example. Also because it’s a bottleneck cartridge it has the added benefit of feeding more reliably than other pistol rounds. It’s flat shooting and will punch through auto glass like it was butter.
It’s literally a 9mm projectile “except” because it’s 200-300 fps faster it penetrates most barriers as well as 10mm yet doesn’t over penetrate flesh, which is welcomed to aid in avoiding collateral damage.
It has a flatter trajectory that in turn makes it more accurate and potent at distance. Though the penetration is no greater than 9mm in flesh, the cavity damage is much more devastating making it more likely to stop a threat with less shots.
Underwood has a 357 Sig 65g Xtreme Penetrator round that exceeds 2250+ fps out of just a 6” barrel. I don’t know of any other semiautomatic pistol caliber that has rounds capable of such velocities from a handgun. It goes straight through a 3A panel even. At those velocities normally temporary cavities tear.
One of the most attractive benefits of owning a 357 Sig is the ability to convert the firearm to 40 S&W & 9mm with nothing more than a simple barrel swap. You also normally can do a 357 Sig or 9mm conversion if you own a 40 S&W firearm as well. That means you can train on whatever platform you’re most comfortable with and whatever ammo is the most affordable, and no it isn’t always 9mm. That means that you are less hindered by ammo shortages… and when you’re done training simply swap out the barrel and ammo back to 357SIG and you’re all set. Sadly on a native 9mm firearm you don’t have any option to do a conversion.
I never understood what’s not to like about 357 SIG… well other than ammunition availability and cost being the only negatives I guess, but it is the better round.
Keep in mind that when you compare 9mm +P or +P+ to try to achieve 357 Sig performance, 357 Sig is actually cheaper than 9mm. When I searched +P+ to get as close to 357 Sig performance as possible, it was more expensive than a standard 357 Sig JHP round.
9mm +P+ is still only 1300 fps in 124 grain. That’s 50 fps slower than the lowest end 125 grain Sig round at 1350 fps and we’re comparing +P+ 9mm ammo here. Yet the bare minimum 357 Sig performance isn’t even achievable and this is usually attempted in a platform that isn’t even recommended for +P+ or even +P at times.
I say it’s best to swap to a 9mm conversion barrel when training and back to 357 Sig right before you’re all done to finish up with 357 to cut that expense down.
In most cases the recoil of any superior round can be overcome with training. I do understand that some people are recoil sensitive and are more comfortable with 9mm or other lower recoiling rounds. I understand some just prefer the thought of higher capacity. I totally understand your decisions. But let’s not bash any superior round because you prematurely decided on a specific one.
There’s nothing wrong with 9mm it’s awesome, but let’s be clear… it isn’t equal to 357 Sig and the few extra rounds it’s capable of holding in a magazine over 357 Sig definitely doesn’t make it the superior choice. For myself these 357 Sig advantages make 9mm less desirable. How about for you?
I just bought a 226 legion about a month ago from a buddy of mine, haven’t gotten around to shoot it yet.:(
Granted this is the first hundred, but I've seen you shoot tighter groups with less fancy guns at longer distances. And I thought the 357 was hailed for its accuracy.
At the end when you were shooting through the chronograph, you were probably too close to it, and the blast was messing up the readings. When I first chronoed my Gen 4 Glock 31, it was giving me similar velocities, but when I backed it up to 10 yards they became correct (going from around 1,150 to 1,425).
Very possible. I try to stay at a consistent distance of about 12 feet or so, but I'm no expert. You need to see the video where I actually shot the chrono with a 10mm round from the Kriss Vector. Forgot how much lower the bore was to the optic I mounted at such close range.
Anyone who says they haven't shot any part of a chronograph either (i) hasn't chonographed hardly any rounds before, or (ii) is lying. I noticed particularly about the .357 Sig that its blast causes that problem with the Caldwell chronograph, even more so than my 16"-barreled AR. Also, if you're into .357 Sig, you should really give 800X a try. I worked up a load that is crazy low-pressure (34,000psi), and yet sends a 125gr Gold Dot or Flat Point FMJ out of my stock Glock 31 at 1,500fps.
Justin is a true "Gray Man".
Only my hairdresser knows for sure. ;-)
Justin Opinion Hahahahaha, Well, at least you aren't a chrome dome like me.
So much for blending into an urban environment! ;)
Noticed gun moving prior to the pulling of the trigger .
.357 sig is an interesting round. It never really caught on around this area, but it is punchy even with the smaller projectile. I have an idea brewing for a video that will definitely require 30 seconds of your video talents. You in?
If you're so desperate as to need my talents... oh how the once mighty have fallen. I'd be honored to help if I can.
I prefer the older sigs with the short Extractor" I had a P229 in .40" bought Used" never malfunctioned! Sold it like a moron 2 years ago" One day maybe the good lord will forgive me & get me another" because he knows how much a like them" this time I'm looking for a P226 in 9mm or a P228 in 9mm"
Kj Guitar I sold my p229 sas out of necessity & I keep asking myself is if I really needed to eat for a month....i mean people have gone that long before, right?
357 sig is NOT a necked down 40 short and weak, it's actually a slightly shortened and necked down 10mm. Home brewing the 357 by necking down 40s can result in dangerous pressures.
A certainly audible reset. Cant justify the hilarious price on just another sig
President Goku they are down to just over $1G
Great video! The 357 Sig round looks to be a tad snappy? The Legion series of pistols are really nice, I just picked up the P229 SAO in 9mm. Great shooter!
There is no shame in being in love with guns.
If you haven't shot 357Sig yet....find an opportunity! I have .40 barrels for mine also for SHTF scenarios. This pistol and a 357 magnum revolver would afford you four cartridges in two pistols!
I have this same gun but I also want it in sao.
Oh, and wait until you try P229 Sport model. Even better than Legion.
I love my legion 229 more then my wife. She can go the gun wont.
Thomas
Welllll....
Enough said
Well kinda the same but the .357 Sig is a little thicker wall because of the pressure. It really isn’t hard to find at all, why do people say that ?
I got the 229 99mm legion & i agree on the slide release.Its pretty much useless...
have you ever fired a regular Sig P229 before? my P229 made in Germany in 1995 is as good or better than the legion today
Don't know if You realize this but the 229 slides have been made in the US since day one, the frames in Germany, ever since the one piece stainless slide (which is the 229) the slides have been made in the US.
Great job showing the SRT! All we need now is the Legion Pelter Ear Pro! They're never in stock though!!
does this gun have a 6oclock hold or a combat sight picture?
It's a normal SigSauer "Combat" sight-picture man. Been looking and called about a hundred gun stores to try and find a Legion. No go within hundreds of miles around me, they are extremely hard to find. Good luck trying to get a FFL to not make a "don't even know when" comment if you inquire about ordering one. BUTTT - I JUST (my thermold case & coin hasn't even arrived yet) picked up my P226 Legion(DA/SA) based solely off watching Justin's Legion vids and the way he spoke so highly of them, wandered into a random store in Searcy, AR and they had one sitting there, (that I later found out hadn't been in the glass case for over 20 minutes) and held it for 2 seconds before concluding it was the best feeling pistol that had ever grace my palm, then I pulled the trigger & melted into a pile of $1400 dollar cash-wielding goo! They are that nice. My pulse quickens, and it's hard NOT to get up in the morning and start playing with it like a kid in a candy store! Actively Gushing!
+Bryan M haha they are tough to find! I did manage to fine 1 store around.me who had a 229 legion so I picked it up ASAP. haven't gotten to shoot it a tone yet but does seem to have a combat sight picture. I heard that same response as you did trying to find a place who had one in Stock servile times as well hah last place I knew of was the place who had it!
Could you conceal carry it comfortably?
For me it would be too big for IWB under normal circumstances.
This is probably a stupid question, but how come on SIG's website, it doesn't mention of the Legion P229 being available in .357 SIG?
sig discontinued 357 and 40 in 229 in 2018. only 226 left in those calibers. this is older video.
@@alexdubrovensky914 Aw 😞 I really wanted one
Too bad they never made an SAO version, or like H&K USP, an option for a manual safety. The P229 looks much better than the H&K.
left of center too much finger on trigger. wheres your legion X-5. hold a little lower. concerted my 226 to flat trigger, fiber optic sights, hogue grips and 357 cal.