Rant - Review of Ospho
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- čas přidán 2. 07. 2019
- Today we went to Brevard Paint Supply and purchased Ospho (we Ran out of it) and we show how we apply it on the areas we need to make sure rust does not come back! Features include rambling and stupid looks.
Please go to Duckman Cycles and VW Garage to get your Ospho Here is a link to the video he uses his product : • Welding/Sealing VW Bee...
Glenn's Link to Ospho (its the same product we use in our shop for years - Phosphoric acid/rust converter
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We are going to make a new video (update to this one) so it can help others about what we know of this product plus better video quality! At the time we shot this we were still learning how to edit the videos with software. Thank you!
I FEEL YOUR SINCERITY IN YOUR WORK ETHIC; I, M IMPRESSED; PJP
I've worked with Earl back in the NASA Shuttle days and let me tell you something about this guy he is truly a super human he is utterly an amazing guy, a true artist in his profession, I've seen a project he did turning a 4 door 57 Belair into a 2 door by himself and the car was utterly flawless. Earl and Christy are truly beutiful people. I'm certain you won't find a more honest person then Earl. God bless
Thank you. Nice to learn your process. Thanks for not having a guitar or drum beat too. I'd rather listen to the fan and someone who actually does the work speak normally and show what has worked for them.
Sorry that I was not able to flip the video in a couple sections.. I was learning how to do the software at this time of the shoot... I should do another one updated.... Thank you!
Very informative earl! Excited to use this product on my next projects. Great to hear passion about products from a "REAL" professional. Great job
Thank you! That clears up a lot of my questions about Ospho.🙏
Love me some Ospho too, good stuff. I wish I could afford someone of your caliber to paint my 36, you sir have passion for what you do, Kudos. Stay Safe during this insanity.
Thanks for the great information. I just used ospho on my VW bug luggage tray and was confused on next steps
Very informative! I found some bad rust going on under a floormat on the inside of a classic VW and need to pick this up stat!
Thank you. You appear to be a good, honest and humble guy. It was very informative. I am actually de-rusting the trailing arms on a 1969 VW. Been working on this buggy for 30 years off and on. I drive it because a car is a car. It is not a coin in my collection.
I found your video very informative- I also realize the extra effort needed to further your rust issues; I when ever possible treat the backside as well as the front side- just add,s a few minutes to the protection process; thank you, PJP
Good video. I’m contemplating using ospho on my brake calipers just not sure yet
Nice listening to a honest perspective..
Good rant! I thought you were going to say something against Ospho, and I wanted to know what it was! I'm into my first project car after a 40 year break, and it's a different world. My car has (had) significant rust issues, and making sure what I do doesn't rust through five years after I paint it is high on my list. Glad you have a high opinion of Ospho, have been using it for a couple of years now. As for your rant, yeah, we are all in this together and the time I spend working on my project is precious. I work two jobs, have family and other responsibilities. Having good information and developing my skills is the primary reason I come to CZcams. I don't care about personalities. I care about content.
I'm also a fan of Ospho, have used it extensively in the restoration of my '57 Chevy 210. I see you're working on a '57 Chevy as well.
It's taking me a long time with research thank you for your video here's my question I have a 1995 Chevrolet pickup frame I'm going to have it sandblasted down to bare metal if I use this product can I just leave it on there and paint over it or do I need to wipe it down with paint thinner help me out
Thanks for the video, I’m wondering how to deal with rust that’s coming out from the inside of the panels? Like bottoms of doors rocker panels ect. still solid metal no holes yet... can you treat the insides in this fashion by spaying it in? Or? I’m at a loss on this scenario
I've used Ospho (it has several other brand names, too like Rust Cure) for years; something that video didn't cover was that once the rust is converted, it makes an unbelievable bond for paint. I've even taken sandblasted metal and allowed it to get just a hint of surface rust so the Ospho would convert it and give my primer/paint an incredible bond, far better than bare steel. He called the converted rust an inert material: it is actually a primer. Great stuff!
Phosphoric acid is what they use in Etching primer
Interesting comment, just what I needed. Thanks.
Im planning on fixing the roof of my jeep ina few weeks. Do you have any tips for using this product? Ive read that some people say to use a hose and wash it off before you paint. What is the best procedure to use this?
@@bdr5150 Well I wouldn't worry too much about it, I Ospho'd a very rusty roof on a 63 Skylark (without using water) and the paint is holding up great years later. I like to use plenty of primer. One thing is do not get Ospho on glass or even paint really but it will haze up your windows...Sand er down, Ospho, maybe a little more sanding, then primer it up.
Brevard paint is the same place I got my Ospho. Super cool place with great customer service and good price's. My thinking is that if the are selling it at Brevard Paint supply then it's good stuff.
Can’t wait for the next one......
Well said Earl, I'm going to borrow a bit of this to promote you in a near future video.
Always welcome Glenn! the "CP" works great doesnt it!
@@ES4406 cat piss FTW!
im gonna use this on a galvanized pipe rack im welding up. after i clean up residue can i use self etching primer or does it have to be epoxy??
Good work. I use Ospho also. I just subscribed! Tom
Thank you! I will try and get the videos better too.
GOOD PRESENTATION
Great video. I have a question. How do you prep the surface for primer after this product? Some say to reapply the product then rinse. Manufacturer says just wipe down with mineral spirits? What is your method.
Also, is Lacquer primer ok to use over this product? Duplicolor primer surfacer.
@3G Craftsman i wiped with mineral spirits and it has been holding up well. I figure follow the manufacturer instructions when its conflicting. Then i can get them to answer questions if needed
So what do you do if its have to have filler to the spot
I came over from Duckman's channels. I don't usually make troll comments but I'm guessing you are using an iPhone. iPhones will reverse the image which is annoying to my OCD brain. I love how precise your work is and enjoy taking in your knowledge. Thanks for the infotainment.
Thanks for joining Earl! I appreciate it, and I know he does, too!
I am desperatly researching cameras right now.... the phone we use is a samsung 8... I had to use the foward camera on this one...Unfortunatley.
does imron stick to zink-C ?
Hello. I was wondering if any of the products you have shown after the Ospho come in an aerosol can. I was also wondering would the Ospho clean in between areas like a truck cab that have been spot welded together and you can’t reach them. I have a smallish project and don’t have a compressor or know how to weld. I have some rust in the cab of my truck but slight rust with minimal pitting not rusted through and I want to stop it from spreading.
None that we know... it's mainly a brush on product. Ospho does not clean but it converts the rust.
Love the reality car show comment! Thanks for the laugh. I've been using Ospho for years restoring my old truck. I won't use any other product.
How do you use it if you have to fill a spot with body filler
@@paulwelch5570 You let it dry overnight and it will have a chalky surface. The instructions for it suggest to clean it with mineral spirits. Then, I spray a few coats of primer over it and apply body filler.
You're right about TV car shows you can't do a show quality job in a short time. I would like to see those cars in person you would see all the flaws
Nice job
Ben using this stuff for 40 years. Do not let it get on the concrete; it will dissolve concrete. It will also passivate stainless steel.
So using a iphone cause that effect of reverse image, I was wondering how you did that, I can not wait to see you working on the duckman custom vw.
Unfortunatley I needed to use the foward camera for this video =( all the videos I do are off a phone.
You use what it work for you is only that I found it strange I never own a iphone don't know that you can do that with one.@@ES4406
Bout to use Ospho in my trunk, I cut out the whole bottom pan, leaving the supports and all those components. I have surface rust on the wheel arches, under the package tray, trunk hinges. There are a lot of nooks and crannies, places I can't get a d/a sander in. What are my options? Could I just wipe off the ospho the next day then prime? Thank you!
if its in areas hard to get to.... IMO.. prep what you can and go over the product to cover.
I thought if you da sand the phosphate coating that removes coating needed to stop rust. Leave the coating as it’s etched to metal To help paint hold on to or epoxy and keeps rust from coming back. If you sand it off then it can’t do it’s job? I could be wrong also . It’s always conflicting info . I still question myself that’s why I was looking up videos lol
your good, we sanded it off the metal and what ever was left in the crevasses we couldn't get we left... prepped and epoxied over and 2k out.... we never had an issue....
What brand coating would you put on frame? Like example por 15
Not so much a brand, on restorations we send them to media blast, then prep and epoxy. we have used por15 but only in areas not seen. it has no protection with UV.
Rat Rod Bob turned me on to Skyco, told Glen he said he was already using different brand, same stuff.
The ONLY acid cleaners SPI recommends is Opsho, PPG and DuPont metal preps as long as their instructions are followed to a tee.
Use any other system you want, just do us a favor and use no SPI over them.
There can be NO shortcuts for good results.
Ospho, is a great product for automotive if used right, we give scare warnings because we want people to call so we can make sure they know how to neutralize it, so no problems will arise.
Only one way to use and here it is:
Use as needed and apply as many times as needed to get the spot Clean let dry and leave for months if you want, don’t matter.
To neutralize the Ospho MUST be wet, so if dry, re-wet with itself and let set one or two minutes and with a clean rag and water, wipe off like washing the car and then dry.
Next, then da car with 80 grit, clean with 700-1 wax and grease remover, let set an hour and coat with an epoxy. Notes of interest (maybe)
If you try and sand dry film off you will lose 40-60% adhesion (per adhesion tester as some will embed itself in metal and amount depends on how long the Ospho has been on panel as we do know acid films degrade with time but due to many factors we cannot pinpoint a time frame.
Just wondering why you do not neutralize the acid before DA?
Thanks for the comment, i really appreciate all the comments on neutralizing, it seems like a staightforward process, but yet i have found it explained so many ways------ truly out of curiousity, not a sarcastic question, not calling into question the efficacy of your process, but; Could running a DA with 80 grit remove most of the beneficial adhesion effects of the ospho? Also is there a point where, the metal is clean enough, and just a smooth DA finish is considered sufficient prep, and you just ditch the ospho?
You must rinse off the Ospho before paint
Can I 2k epoxy primer over ospho? I don't want my paint to start go bubble around my windshield. Doing windshield rust repair
What I've done was brush on like the video, then wipe with laquer thinner. Neutralizer for the OSPHO, wipe again with denatured alcohol and spray my epoxy. Don't be cheap with the alcohol. I haven't had a problem since 1998.
Have you considered apple cider vinegar for rust removal? For parts, nuts, bolts, etc. Place rusted parts in a pan of sorts. Cover with apple cider vinegar overnight. Whala... clean and shiney.
I have a friend who used something of that sort... but here we are not high volume and most of the products here are not on a huge demand. This product is an industry standard.
How did you stabilize and neutralize the phosphoric acid or ospho?
That's a super important question that was not covered in the video! Many primer manufacturers state that if you paint over without neutralizing, even if you re-sand by DA, you can have delamination problems. You shouldn't let this dry on the metal without neutralizing. I suggest people hit the SPI forum and read the very good explanation about this from their tech people.
Strongly suggest people watch this about neutralizingbospho and epoxy czcams.com/video/-yA8q4K-_Bo/video.html
@@mback12000 brush on like the video, wipe off/ neutralize with laquer thinner.
@@mback12000 well some epoxy primer such as SPI doesn't work on acid treated metal. Some other primer love acid treated metal such as Ospho, like kirker epoxy primer. Honestly I haven't noticed much different between the SPI and Kirker and both sand nicely.
hey boss whats that zinc chromate? never heard of it. its only for USA maybe?
Sorry for the delay... I dont see the comments on the older videos when new videos on YT are added for some reason. Zinc Cromate (good product but dangerous to use) yes look up 2580CR axalta and 2505 activator.
A good primer for aluminum pontoon boats. It looks like yellowish water you can see right thru it. Just one coat and ur good to go
Why do you use a DA sander on the product after the 24 hours. Shouldn't you dry it first not take the product off the vehicle?
And difference between Ospho and Klean Strip? Seems like the same product for 1/4 the price for Klean Strip.
Thanks for asking...I cannot verify that as we have not used Klean strip in our shop.
Yeeeehawww buddy
Will the da sander remove the ospho
Yes sir.
In your opinion does ospho need to be rinced With water , other classic car restoration dudes on the youtube , say yes , thoughts
Brevard Paint are you on the Space Coast?
Yes sir.
The pinup girl price list read Cocoa, FL 0:32.
I have bad rust on the frame where R bumper connects. Will this stop that? Should I sand to bare metal then apply? Can I bondo over ospho? The rust is rotting this section away and I'm afraid to sand it without doing worse damage.
not recommended to bondo ever over any rust treated or not.... I say ospho to treat, sand it back to scuff, zinc cromate epoxy and then work off the epoxy.
@@ES4406 thank you very much for the info!!
Hey, I know this is a super old video but. You seem to know what you're doing more so than I do. I just got off the phone with the people that make ospho the guy asked why I would want to neutralize the dried film with water. Said I don't need to rinse it. I'll just create more rust. Just paint over the dried reacted product with any oil-based paint. My project is on frame rust.
Is this how you use Ospho?
yes, we dont NOT use water to wipe it we sand the excess only wipe down and epoxy... no issues. We keep this to a very minimum on any extrerior. thankyou for calling them! they have the correct answers!
@@ES4406 unfortunate, but I also read on an SPI forum. I think that's for painters/ restorers that they say. Ospho as a company gives out bad advice and you must neutralize it, re-wet it with itself and rinse off and then dry before painting. Otherwise the paint won't adhere to the acid film that may be left over. So it's super confusing for someone who doesn't do it for a living
@@rptrick79 i can say we dont use this product much on exterior panels... we DA it off as much as possible before we top coat... its just to get off what we cannot get... media blast is best but we cannot always get it all ospho is a good product used conservatively
@@rptrick79 The company that makes the product is wrong? Can you give me a step by step process of how to use this properly then?
@@briizcustoms9543 look up the SPI forum and ospho. You'll likely find the forum I was referring to...from what I gathered it'll create flash rust wiping down with water.which makes sense but that's what I read on neutralizing it prior to paint. I'd lightly sand after it dries, wear a respirator, then paint prep wipe them apparently paint with an epoxy. I'm no body shop tech so take what I say with a grain of salt. I'd follow these guys that do this for a living advice before mine. If you get a good solid answer please add it because I'm still a little confused about the proper way but I'm not painting a car so it's not as detrimental if it's wrong
I had a car completely sand blasted a year ago. The man who sandbjlasted it told me cover the whole car with ospho so it would not flash rust. It is a year later the car is in my shop bear are metal. At this point what would you recommend me doing to prepare the metal for epoxy primer? Some people have told me to re-wet the car with ospho to reactivate it. let it sit for 15 minutes wet, then wash it off with soapy water and air dry before painting epoxy primer.
Thanks I would appreciate any input you have
Ospho has to be neutralized with some epoxy primer such as SPI epoxy primer.Won't adhere to Ospho treated metal until you rewet it with Ospho and wash it off with water. That is how you neutralize Ospho.
On the other hand, Kirker epoxy primer works better if metal is treated with Ospho and not neutralized. I myself treated my VW with Ospho and going to use Kirker epoxy primer with it.
LoL! My cat piss!
My rant is why was the words backwards on the products @1:45-ish, near the beginning...................
My bad the phone flipped the video and I was learning software at the time of this shoot... I am going to make a new one soon!
Cover the concrete under your car with plastic sheeting. Ospho eats concrete. I know from experience.
What am I missing here, as to why to even use Ospho? Why not just grind away all the rust and use filler, which you'll have to do either way in most cases? My best guess is areas where the remaining metal is very thin, so you can't just grind it down, but I don't get it. This isn't criticism, simply ignorance, but can't find answers.
some times we may not have the option to blast..... this was very minor and will never come back to bite us... its a good alt if you cannot get all the rust out. we did blast it prior to this with a speed blaster but it doesnt remove everything....
@@ES4406 Thanks for the response. I'm giving it a shot on my project in areas where I can't get all the rust out, like you said. I thought I'd be able to get it 100% out and down to metal everywhere but that proved to be unrealistic :D
Green kool-aide lmao
CCC dude, you know that your videos are backwards, right? We can’t read the labels.
years ago when I took this video I was still learning how to edit.
We're showing a mirror image of all the pictures you're showing of the products did you know that I don't know what you're doing but it's showing it backwards like I was taking a picture through a mirror can you please correct your dip mix videos
I am going to do a new video updated
.. YT wont let me fix the video. I was learning wditing software when we did that.
best to spray on