Chelsea & the multi-club model
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- Todd Boehly’s billion-dollar plan at Chelsea is yet to truly take off. His company, BlueCo also own a 99 per cent stake in Ligue 1 outfit Strasbourg. Are they following a similar plan?
Ayo Akinwolere is joined by The Athletic’s Simon Johnson and Matt Slater to discuss the current state of Chelsea FC, as well as BlueCo and their multi-club ownership plans.
What does a multi-club approach mean for both fans of Chelsea and Strasbourg? How will it affect Chelsea’s PSR position?
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:11 Chelsea v Newcastle
00:02:34 Chelsea under Abramovich
00:07:05 Fans feelings towards Tod Boehly
00:10:47 Do fans need to get used to the changes?
00:15:17 Boehlys multi-club model
00:19:43 Chelsea loanees
00:22:47 Assets shared in a multi-club model
00:26:58 Strasbourg fans and BlueCo
00:29:46 Man City’s multi-club model
00:34:01 Can Man United be classed as a multi-club model?
00:35:11 PSR and Chelsea
00:37:24 Chelsea’s future transfer business
00:40:08 PSR meeting
00:43:25 Final Comments
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Really glosses over the 90s. Harding’s money was a loan for a stand. Hoddle, Gullit, Vialli and Ranieri progressed our club to winning trophies, spanking Barcelona at home in the quarter final in our first UCL outing - all before Roman. We had a good squad, Terry, Gallas, Lampard, Hasselbaink, Gudjohnson, Cudicini etc when Roman took over, a solid foundation.
On prestige, let’s not forget we were held back, we weren’t allowed, FA denied us entry, in the first ever European/UCL season.
Exactly, by saying it was a golden ticket completely ignores all the hard work and successes we had to put ourselves in that position to be bought over.
@@joshbrown2217 we were in about 80m debt though that Ken bates was looking for more loans to pay off so in that sense yeah it was a golden ticket but in terms of on field stuff we were building something definitely. Roman wouldn’t of bought the club if we wasn’t already in the champions league
@@joshbrown2217come on, as if other clubs didnt work hard. Chelsea were hardly winning anything major, let alone consistently. Chelsea were just a West Ham but with Russian money.
@@tikemyson5627 Oh yeah, I totally agree financially it was a golden ticket, although the situation wasn't as bad as it was when Ken Bates first took over. But still he clearly didn't mean it in that way.
@@HarmvanderWilt Chelsea were winning trophies and in European competitions by the time Roman tool us over. And no doubt we were lucky that Roman chose us, but it was hardly like we weren't a competitive side already at that point.
We wouldn't have been picked if we were some middle of the pack/relegation side at the time.
Milos Lukovic looks like a top prospect centre forward, signed by Strasbourg in January and loaned back to IMT Belgrad. Captained his team since 17yo. Will be interesting to see if he plays there next season (Ligue 2 😜)
I always enjoy Matt Slater in these pdocasts, he has the amazing ability of explaining the most difficult topics of football in the simplest of terms. I always come away from these podcasts having learned more.
I think the reason they went with finished articles in the first window is due to losing a bunch of senior players due to contracts not being able to be renued, i.e. they signed Koulibaly to replace Rudiger
So informative
Multi clup ownership in the same continent should be forbidden. Current owners would have to sell their clubs or not participate in ANY competition whatsoever.
You could only own clubs from different continents.
But fifa and UEFA clearly don't have balls for this.
As a Chelsea fan it’s hard to wait 4 years for us to challenge for the Prem, but I think we can see these crop of players be really dominant for a long time. Might be foolish optimism. One can only hope 😅
And that’s the thing. These are first time football club owners. What track record of theirs can we lean on to trust that this tough period will eventually net us a great team if it were to take 4 years? It’s just hope. American sports is a completely different context.
@@Boog_masskway l’m an American myself & what frustrates me about football fans is their really isn’t any thought behind their arguments. People say blue billion bottle jobs but I think the business we’ve done is phenomenal. Just Malo at 6 year 20min & Cole 7 year 40 mil alone is absolutely insane. In just 3 years time that’ll be peanuts if the player market continues the way it’s going. Say what you want about Americans, but we know the business side of sports better than anyone imo. Now understanding the dynamics of how to win in European football is a whole different beast these owners need to figure out.
Dominant? There are some good players in this squad but they won’t ever be “dominant”
Its just that long term contracts like that, provide zero incentive for players to go the extra mile
@@HarmvanderWiltyeah that can definitely happen, but it’s not guaranteed to happen. I suppose that’s one positive thing about social media these days. We as fans can call these guys out & apply pressure if they’re not performing. For Chelsea the only ones I feel like we have to worry about is Enzo & Moi. Seems like both want to win though but who knows.
Matt Slater, very typical from him.
Matt Slater is a hater isn’t he
For the millionth time, Boehly does not run the day to day of chelsea or BlueCo. Baghdad and the sporting team run. Not defending what Todd did in the first windows but he has been gone for a while.
Roman was a great owner, everything else aside. But we haven't been competitive in the league for 6 years, and we should have built a new stadium 10 years ago, and we were unlikely to make any progress on the stadium due to Abramovich's visa issues with the Home Office. Clearlake have a different approach, and have made a lot of mistakes, but structurally the club will emerge as a more stable going concern, and we might actually invest in the long term infrastructure that we need. Roman did build Cobham, to be fair to him, but that was nearly 20 years ago now.
People can say that there needed to be a revamp/reload, but the issue is that the approach to correct this is laughably bad and flawed. As for the stadium, we’re finding out right now that it’s not as easy as you think. Way more complicated than that
So pretty much another City group is on its way. Hence, in the long term almost all clubs in the World will be owned by one or two consortiums (except Real Madrid). Yet people say the Super League is unfair.
Chelsea is suffering from karma. The club was stolen abruptly from a man who genuinely cared for the club.
Roman Abramovich instant success. These owners dont have a clue of how to run a club and they in it purely for money. No project no process its a hit and hope.
And that egg with glasses on the right is totally wrong. Chelsea in the 90s had real momentum pre Abramovich. Qualifying for Europe consistently, winning trophies, had great players and finishing top 6 late 90s regularly.
Roman was only instant success because of the starting point he had. Established good players, captains, experience.
Whilst the new owners have made mistakes, we can’t ignore their starting point…
- a gutted defense (Rudi, Chris on frees. Alonso wanted out. Azpi legs had gone)
- No cover for Chilly/RJ who’ve not played an enough of a season to count for ages.
- Dead midfield. Kante injured like RJ/Chilly. Kova often injured and just a runner, no output. Jorginho slow, little output.
- No striker, Lukaku and Werner wanted out
- Poor keepers
- Wingers no better than Gronkjaer, but less pace
I’d argue that’s a worse team than when Roman bought the club.
When Roman bought the club Terry, Lampard, Gallas, Gudjohnson were all players good enough to stay with and produce with the new players.
When new owners bought the club who are the Terry’s Lampard’s etc of the squad? James/Chilly/Kante maybe, but too injured to count.
@@GavP75 Hmm you have to look at it from 2022 not last summer where we had a base of Mount, Silva, Chalobah, RJ, Jorginho (who is doing perfectly fine at Arsenal), Kova, RLC. These aren’t a bad set of players to start around. Terry and Lampard were good players in 2003. They weren’t best in league at that point. The way this club has been run to ground based on a stupid model that has no basis or precedence for success because quite frankly it’s ignores the landscape of football
@@newrecruit100 Context - Jorginho with creativity all around him at Arsenal to little at Chelsea. RLC is great when he was up for it, but he’d have 1-2 games of that then be bang average. RJ/Chilly as I said don’t count as they miss too much of the season.
So we had a squad of Chalobah, Silva as our only CBs. RJ/Chilly and Kante practically out the whole 22/23 season - which was predictable based on their history. No striker. Mount who like Havertz had been failing to deliver - I know Frank and Terry were good players when Roman took over, but seriously, we didn’t have good players summer 2022.
Kepa/one season wonder Mendi
Azpi, Chalobah, Silva, ?
Jorginho, Kova (none of them were fit at the start of the season anyway)
Ziyech, Mount, Pulisic
Havertz
There’s not one of those players I’d have over our 2002/03 1st team - that’s how far we’d fallen.
I’m not defending the new owners, just not willing to ignore the fact they had an awful starting point.
Who is this guy? No bigger than Portsmouth? I’d love to know what he’s based this opinion on 😂
Trophies and prestige probably . 1979 - 1984 Chelsea were in the old Div 2. At the time they'd won (I think) 1 League Cup, 1 Championship and 1 FA Cup.
At the same time Portsmouth had won 2 Championships and 1 FA Cup. Comparable honours.
Chelsea were probably considered a larger club by following, but it wasn't by much.
Long time ago though.
10:58 I'm no Arsenal fan so i dont know what they're saying within their communities, but ive yet to hear a single soul that attributes their current success to the Kroenke's, literally none. They stopped shouting 'Kroenke out' sure, but does anyone actually credit them? What a wild statement.
I credit them, since last season I have, and I have the video proof to back the claim.
There's been a quiet yes very real acknowledgment that since Josh Kroenke and the Korenke's took the full takeover and appointed mikel they've really backed him and made good decisions (A non sporting one is the banners outside the emirates)
So they‘re going to want them out during the bad times, but not back them during good times? Sounds sensible.
The thing is Arsenal is yet to win a major trophy since KSE became shareholders and unless Arteta is able to win EPL/UCL they won't be credited.
We do, and seeing Josh in the All or Nothing documentary has been great PR for them. But the fact that we have been on the up ever since took full ownership, that relation is often overlooked.
Matt slater honestly poor analysis from him
Chelsea the the fall of a Russian company 😢
chelsea used to be a big club
Someone should look at buying West Ham I think they can be massive
"I'm sorry Chelsea fans when I was growing up you were not a big club"...And so what! Are we not allowed to grow.
If I tell you, "Ayo when I was growing up your family was not rich". Isn't the statement absurd. Ayo has every right to become rich regardless of his family's past.
Chelsea is a gigantic club. Get used to it!
We Chelsea fans simply refuse to accept mediocrity!
I totally agree!!! It drives me insane, no club is big before they're big. Your Man United's and Bayern Munich's, they werent historical clubs from day one. Apparently you're not allowed to create history post 70,80,90's without being percieved as a plastic club, are Man U not a big club anymore because they have won nothing in the last 10 years, NO! If anyone thinks that the biggest clubs arent built on considerable amounts of money they're wrong.
I take your point but that's a wild example to use
You need to get out more. It‘s nit about you personally. It‘s just historic facts.
That's just fact. And frankly If you are talking about individual yes if you are born poor highly likely you stay poor till you are dead. Nothing to fuss about.
Don't get me wrong, we weren't a big club pre 90's, but you can't say that in Modern football, we aren't a big club. Utterly ignoring the past 40 years of football.
Also they way he dismissed Chelsea's other successes is so disrespectful to the teams of the 50's, 70's and 90's, we were a lot bigger than they gave us credit for and we were known as a cup team.
Arsenal were never close to being as bad as this Chelsea team even during their early Arteta/pre Arteta rebuild.
Yes and that’s when they won the champions league ? Or was it later ?
So Chelsea is upgrading from buying players to buying clubs...👍🏻
Theres people like tony bloom for example, real madrid, man city, who are far ahead in the multi club ownership deal. Dont blame the player, blame the game
Listening to this Matt slater , unbearable and switched off after 7 minutes
Why comment on it? Why not just piss off and mind your business?
@@archiehickox6518 if that’s how you feel about comments… then why have you just done what I did? 😂🤡
@@archiehickox6518 Why reply to that comment? Why not just pist off and mind your business? ya dud
These Strasbough got sentiment BS is really tiring.. Look at City Group, Girona likely end up in CL next season and get a pie of those CL money. Soon Palermo will promote to Serie A and quickly enter CL via Serie A as well. You are looking at potentially 3 Teams in CL from City Group alone with a combined Revenue of 3 times Real Madrid. That's world dominations and that's the purpose of Multi club models. Imagin out of CL top 4, 3 team belong to essentially the same owners, What a scene!
But City don't get the revenue from those clubs.
@@russellward4624 you would be dellusional that City doesn't benefit from these Satellite clubs… distorted transfer fee being one of them, bypass FFP using academy players who have European experience is another one. There are so many ways.
Did City sell Girona’s best players and replace them with a bunch of young players? Not every multi-club model is the same
@@newrecruit100 Yes. City get Savic end of season with no other club can contest on this Transfer. And not mentioning gifted Savic at first place from France 2nd division Troyes.l early this season. There are plenty of such examples And That's the nebefit of having CFG Models.
@@ArseianLee what players have City bought from or sold to? What transfer fees have been distorted?
Chelsea will only stop being a big club when the media are no longer so stingy to the club. However, at this rate under the new custodians it seems it won't take much time.
Slater the hater 🤣
Strasbourg, Girona are basically a glorified B team. B+ teams.
How is Girona a B team?