Lyon and the danger of multi-club ownership
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2024
- After seven consecutive Ligue 1 titles in the early 2000s, we’d forgive you for thinking Lyon are still firmly a part of European football’s aristocracy.
But after 11 games this season - they’re bottom of the table, their world-famous pool of academy talent seems to have dried up, and after losing one of the most influential football executives of this century could a genuine 'legacy club' soon be a second-division side?
Ayo Akinwolere is joined one final time this week by The Athletic’s Matt Slater & Adam Crafton
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0:00 Intro
00:20 Lyon as of now
19:20 Academy players
27:59 Multi-club ownerships
42:33 Final comments
Thumbnail: Jeff Pachoud / Contributor / AFP via Getty Images
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Adam and Matt are phenomenal journalists, I think everything they do is really top tier
Please keep posting full episodes on youtube!
Thank u for posting the full episode
Where are the other podcasts in this series? I can't see them anywhere?
It's really interesting to me how people can't connect the dots between power and wealth consolidation in football and corporations in general, like sports function outside of capitalism.
I think a lot of the clubs that did vote for the temporary ban did so on the premise that it is temporary, and in the long term they have every intention using these rules to some extent.
It's an abomination that needs to be removed from the game entirely.
Too much money for FIFA to turn down. They're going to burn their fingers.
Everything has its risks. Just cause some get it horrendously wrong doesn't mean the entire concept should be done away with.
Liv incredibly well run… value has increased 10 folds, we can keep our best players and only sell those we want to sell (Fabhino, Mane, Firmino. hendo, etc…. We can buy the best (VVD, Alisson, Konate, Szobo etc…). Best players want to come (Mbappe talking about it!). Win and challenge in epl and Europe ever year. Incredible training ground. Best manager in the world. Man City can’t be compared as they are owned by a country using illegal means to fund themself.
Clubs should never allow themselves to be sold into multi ownership. Selling the soul out of the club.
I am afraid that it’s such big business the fan is taken for granted. Before tv rights you as fan could make a difference, the old days are missed by the true fan, what ever team you support.
@@truefact844
Then why not implement a salary cap like the NBA and NFL, prevent rich teams from outspending their competitors.
@@robert2690or you can only have players that were born in that area, nothing goes backward.
Working for Girona, Nice and Red Bull....
Honestly don’t understand what happened to simply having affiliate clubs
£1B ? ? ? Barcelona and ManU... lot's of upside, but you would need to gain control
Other clubs would be interesting... but are usually limited by their leagues
Because its not about football it's about sponsorship partners. Take Mancchester City for example. Etihad air has increased its value by at least 20xs just from City. Then you built its brand in Japan, Spain, Brasil USA etc.. with these other clubs and that's where they make thier money. It doesn't matter if NYCFC make huge profits or not. They'll make them through building the brands of the sponsors.
Brighton always get a pass on this topic lol
Imagine Arsenal and Spurs having the same custodian, or Boca Juniors and River Plate, or even random two clubs like PSG and Bayern. It feels a bit weird to me. A question of integrity.
Personally not a fan even if it generates money. Hope they ban it. Saying that as a Chelsea fan, so no bias.
that can't happen. You can't own more than one club per country. So you'd never have such an extreme conflict of interest of Arsenal v Spurs with the same owner.
Very occasionally there's been some shady shell owner companies taking ownership of a second club. Al Fayed, Abramovich and Usmanov supposedly pulling the strings at clubs like Portsmouth, Everton etc, but it's difficult to prove that they actually did have any involvement in two clubs at once.
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere I know they can't right now, but that's where we are heading towards with this. I remember Abramovich and Chelsea initially getting a lot of stick for involvement with Vitesse. Multi-clubs are openly owned now and no one says a peep.
Comparing PSG and Monaco, mate Im sorry but thats delusional. Regarding Lyon: One of the Clubs with the most tradition in Ligue 1 what a pitty to see there downfall
Mismanagement. The former owner, Jean Michel Aulas, always self congratulated about how Lyon had been qualifying for European cups each years for more than 20 years. So, he saw no point in fixing his now failing strategy, which was to sell his best players each year.
He did more and more of it with recent years, leaving the team with only mediocre players.
He also staffed himself with a bureaucracy of trustworthy incompetent bootlickers -forgive me, I repeat myself, I already said bureaucracy- ...so...yeah...
Incompetence, bad purchase, too much sales of good elements, too many elements leaving, too many elements leaving for free -Grenier, Gourcuff, Gomis, Aouar, Dembele, Memphis Depay...- bad results on the field, bad choice of coaches, because you want a "Yes man" rather than a skilled coach who will butt head (or is it headbutt ?) with you.
So, Lyon's downfall is a combination of many bad choices, mistakes. It's a losing streak.
“One of the clubs with most traditions in Ligue 1”… ummm they had zero titles before the 00s. Dunno what you meant by most traditions but Lyon was only founded in 1950s and was virtually nothing until Aulas took over in the late 80s or early 90s…
@@randomcon123they did win 7 straight ligue 1 titles, that sure will cemented your name in history
@@duyanhng8430 tradition isn’t about titles unless you are some glory hunters. City might have more premier league titles than arsenal but it doesn’t have arsenal’s traditions and history. Also, the word there was “most tradition “. Pretty sure st etienne had more league titles than them. So even if you counted just league titles as a glory hunter who doesn’t understand French football do, Lyon still wouldn’t be “most tradition” club in France. Hope this helps
WHY YA LYON FOR???
This is wrong. Football can't control state owned clubs and so have now given in on a fundamental. Small clubs will not have supporters in 20 years if they are run to serve another club. I know why Qatar don't care about the English pyramid but what's our excuse?
It can, but it should not be expected to
It will always be led by the money
It is a monopoly in every country, and should be treated as such
didn't take long for man u fan crafton to try and drag newcastle into it. admit it - you're pissed that they didn't buy man utd.