The Sims 2: First-born Syndrome and Fake Randomizing
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- čas přidán 21. 06. 2020
- Bob and Gloria present you the clearest possible way of explaining the first-born syndrome and randomizing sequence in The Sims 2. This is the reason why sometimes you can experience having exactly the same children.
Of course this DOESN'T HAPPEN in Sims 3 and Sims 4! They have a different system of pregnancy and genetics, and also the "seed" situation was finally coded correctly there.
The video I mentioned at the beginning is now unlisted → • The Sims 2 Genetics Ar...
First-born syndrome article (scroll down) → simswiki.info/wiki.php%3Ftitle...
BatBox → www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf...
Sims2RPC by Lazy Duchess also fixes randomization → lazyduchess.tumblr.com/post/6...
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weird that people are out here telling you its fake when sims gurus have fully verified this already lmfaoooo
Ikr lol I don’t wanna call people stupid but I’ve never heard of it before and all I had to do was one google search and there’s immediately a bunch of proof
First Born syndrome is a well know and well-established quirk of The Sims 2. I imagine the people who were trying to blame it on mods or a glitch never played the Sims 2, or at least not enough to know much about that game. The firstborn syndrome is a fact thoroughly documented by the Sims 2 community during the Sims 2 heyday.
If you or a loved one has been affected by first born syndrome or broken randomizer . You may be entitled to compensation
It's so weird to me that people don't believe you! It's been a known thing in the community for like a decade at this point! But this video is so detailed and comprehensive in explaining what's going on, I think anyone who doesn't get it at this point is just in denial
More than a decade, I remember reading legacy stories on TheSims2.com where Firstborn Syndrome is mentioned.
Omg I distinctly remember my sims’ kids all having the same personality LMFAOOOOOO I just thought it was supposed to be like that! Ahh good times.
Well, to be fair Sims2 was the first time they've attempted virtual genetics so it's understandable such thing may happen. I'd be more worried if this carried over to the Sims3 or 4.
And still genetics where more realistic in therms of recesive and dominant genes
It’s not really even the genetics themselves, just the sequence randomizing
I finally understood what is the whole sims 2 broken genetics thing about. Thank you ❤
Kulka z ryżu hehe
Back in the day "rolling the pacifier" a random bunch of times before a birth was common knowledge... it seems so weird to see that a lot of people not only don't know about that, but don't believe you when you explain it! Thank you for explaining it so well, I didn't know it went beyond first-born syndrome!
6:34, this phenomenon also appears in the sims 2 radio. For example : ur sim turns on the radio, and this salsa music appears ALWAYS with the same song(if u haven’t changed it) now you leave the house to visit a community lot or another family. After u comeback to the old household with the salsa music, the whole playlist will restart it and the soundtrack that you heard at the beginning when u turned on the radio will appear ( I hope it does make sense to u)
I can hear it right now in my head hahahah
BAH BAH BAH BUM BAH!
I honestly hate that salsa song, lmao. And it's always SO LOUD.
I can hear it oh god.
hexagonal bipyramid made a mod that randomizes the radio station and i never heard this awful salsa song ever since. Couldn't recommend more
Salsa music is the only music you should listen to
i find it strange that people are quick to blame your game/mods for this. i've never played ts2 but even i knew about this, plus a quick google search shows that this is a well-known thing. why people feel the need to comment without doing the slightest bit of research is beyond me lol
i also had to correct some people in the other videos, i think alot of people don't notice it because they play long game sessions, as the bug kinda need you to close/restart the game to notice, tho the long term similaritys always occur, the extreme clone issue is very rare unless a person play very short sessions.
probably because many people have nostalgia glasses for sims 2 and don't like to take any criticism for it
I mean Sims 2 is an amazing game but even amazing things can have flaws
Noodle!!
@@helutob yeah!!!!!
@@ratboygirl hahaha I even have got a Gorillaz poster!
(Disclaimer: DO NOT do this, you WILL corrupt your game.) When I played TS2 as a young teen, I did a legacy challenge in one household. In another household, I added the Grim Reaper to another to have a kid with a different Sim. I then suffered extreme first born syndrome in my legacy family as every kid in each generation was a clone of the Grim Reaper kid every single time. 😬
In fairness that sounds kind of cool in this case, like the first born inherits the role
If you use the sim blender, there’s an option in pregnancy called Grimpegnation (lol) which is the safest way possible to have Grim Reaper’s kid, I’m sure. I think you can also do it with the InSIMenator but I can’t recall.
I did this 2- xD
It doesn’t corrupt your game if you use “make me pregnant with... grim reaper” when he’s on the lot when someone dies.
musicalman1995 It does corrupt your game. The Grim Reaper is an object, not a real sim with genetics. That’s like trying to make a sim have babies with a chair.
So... It's like the same face syndrome for artists haha
Lol!
Did someone really asked if you have a legal copy of the game😂😂 and someobe really blamed mods. Oh Jesus that's some baby TS2 players right there. This giltch is most known one for TS2
Even if they're new to the game, this glitch is pretty much noticeable
But having baby TS2 players is good, it means that the game is still alive and more cc is to come
@@heeheeriah
I don't think TS2 will die any year soon! the Sims 2 forums on Modthesims are active as hell
Everytime I see someone legitimately asking if the copy of the game is a legitimate, as if the pirated copy would effect the game itself, I laugh so hard.
Those aren't just baby sims 2 players, those are babies periodt
I had been playing Sims 2 for years and the first born syndrome is for sure a part of the game, not a result of some mod messing up the coding of the Sims. I have been playing the game for years without mods as a kid and truly enough, I got clones in several families because I always accepted the baby that first popped out. It's strange that people tried to convince you of the opposite when it's really easy to test for oneself.
I'm finding this so funny because I literally played the game from launch until like 5 years ago and never noticed because I only had like 2 or 3 incidents of this EVER. I played such long sessions and basically never accepted the first baby. 😂 Wth is wrong with me lmaoooo
@11pm How do you do not accept the first baby? I'm confused @_@
For anyone that doesn't get it still, think of the game pre-making a set of babies for every couple, all of the premade children for each couple are given a number.
Babies:
1. Bob
2. Jessica
3. Mark
When you start the game the counter for which baby to pick from the list starts at 1, everytime you have a baby within that current session the counter will go up.
Lets say you open the sims 2 and have 2 babies in the time that you are playing the game,
the counter will pick Bob and Jessica
Then you close the game and open it up another time,
like Marticore mentioned, the counter will reset back to 1 so if you have another baby without randomising in CAS then it will be baby 1.Bob again
Last time i've tried adopting a baby, but first i made a bunch of new townies, downloaded here and from there some others.. and voila, at the End i've got a lovely & nice little green baby. Why people dont believeing this, is their problem, not ours. First, it was Cindy(Pleasant Sims) who was talking about this problem with the clone babys. After i have also seen Marticore's video about this, it was clear, i need to change this in my Game. I dont care when people personally dont care about their game, but they should not saying its not true, or not working. It is true. And it is a working Solution. Point.
thank you! i understood the premise but i think the amount of numbers marticore listed threw my brain off. definitely get it now :)
Thank you! I really wanted to understand, but I have a lot of trouble understanding people with thicker accents. I’ve been trying to work on it, but I’m just so bad it.
Thanks for the explanation.
Thanks. My autistic brain was a mess from the video trying to understand if she meant that she didn’t save the game when she closed it, and why the number of kids didn’t correspond to the number of kids in the household. This summed it up perfectly.
Hahaha, there are seriously people not believing this? You were pretty clear about this issue in the other video. And yes, genetics being broken doesn't mean the game is bad or anything like that (if that the reason why people don't want to accept this), it's just mean the game is old, lol.
I started playing TS2 again like five months ago, and I notice something fishy with my sims... then I watched the previuos video, and everything made sense, I prefer just leave the family and go back, it's annoying, but I really want unique sims
I'm so glad that there's somebody intelligent commenting on The Sims 2! I can see how those "your game's broken" comments would have irritated you! People tend to comment without thinking, where as it's obvious that you've had many, many hours of game research! Thank you for all your immensely helpful videos!
I love videos where you talk about the game mechanics
This looks like a case of the game not setting up the seed for its RNG.
Usually a game would set it up at startup to the system time so its random numbers would be random every time you played. It looks like the sims 2 devs forgot to do that, so it starts up with the same default seed every time making its RNG results the same every game session.
The devs definitely forgot a LOT of things in this game. Don’t get me wrong, the game is wonderfully ambitious, but the fact that in-game functions can mess up your game is terrifying.
@@xTwilightWolvesx I was kinda shocked by that too. How doing anything slightly out of the ordinary could completely corrupt your game to the point where you'll have to say bye bye to you save or even have to make a clean install.
Like wth??
@@PoptartParasol Even things within the ordinary can mess up your neighbourhood. Putting lots with sims (including graves) in the house bin, deleting families, deleting graves (without that no corrupt death mod), installing an expansion pack while your save has your sim on the phone, can all cause neighbourhood corruption. Heck, if the game decides to autonomously have a vampire bite Mrs Crumplebottom, that can mess up your entire game. It’s scary.
@@xTwilightWolvesx A bit late, but.. Most of this isn't actually true. A lot of the established ideas of what causes corruption were rumor and heresay that got taken as truth and codified over the years. Most have turned out to be wrong. Watch April Black's Corruption Deep Dive video.
The way the game handles sim deletion and binning works perfectly fine (though graves unlinking and thus erasing ancestors you may want to resurrect are certainly annoying, and worth using nounlinkondelete purely for this) The only intended features that actually cause corruption are using binning sims to transfer them from one neighborhood to another neighborhood (not subhood obvs) because it creates a bunch of invalid relationship data and memory/gossip references that can corrupt your save, the low probability scenario of vampires biting Mrs. Crumplebottom, for which there are many many different mods that fix it, and making child ghosts because of a bug that makes it try to pull object NPCs to your lot to pick them up to go "home" since ghosts are technically part of that family... And even that is super easy to fix with a mod.
Most actual causes of corruption are simply glitches or oversights when creating the original base game neighborhoods (hence the existance of clean templates) and are usually actually quite fixable through programs like hoodchecker, which can do things like remove bad memories, nonexistant relationship references, and gossip.
@@parrot998 Thank you for letting me know about this, I made that comment before the changes to the Sims Wiki page and April Black’s video. April Black’s video is really interesting.
It's amazing Sims 2 is still this relevant... I miss the good old sims.
My friend just had a baby girl IRL so I was showing her this game and attempted to make her character have a baby girl too. We got annoyed after having 8 boys in a row! Gave up.
I’m kinda surprised that some people don’t believe this is a thing. Thanks for the in-depth explanation though 😄👍
Hey, your vid is linked in the sims wiki genetics article now in the part where it explains first born syndrome. I had watched this when it was first uploaded but was randomly curious about some genetics stuff today. Once I got to that section of the article, saw there was a reference to youtube and was like wait a minute.. clicked it and now here I am again. After all these years..
WHOA I totally had first born syndrome in my game!! I was a kid playing TS2 but i remember my last family pretty vividly. I had two girls born about a sim week apart and they were IDENTICAL. So much so, that I literally just started dressing them the same and pretended they were twins 😂. I thought it was a glitch in the game, but now it makes total sense!
oh my god this makes so much sense, ive been tracking the personality points for my sims kids, and i knew *something* was up since they're all the same, but i never put 2 and 2 together
Wow, I'd always wondered why occasionally babies would be clones and just figured it was some kind of glitch, the actual truth of the code behind it is so weird and fascinating! (also love how the game gives me clone children but NEVER identical twins lol)
😂😂😂😂😂
Identical twins can’t happen😞
I get that it' hard to notice sometimes, because you really rarely see all your kids at the same age at the same time and it's not that noticeable with different genders and hairstyles, but I swear I had one of these crazy 13 baby families and all the kids, except the ONE set of twins looked identical. Also with the "something else randomly generating" also counts, that mixes it up often and subtly enough to not notice it I believe.
I guess first born syndrome annyos me especially with twins, because otherwise I don't mind if my babies have a high chance of looking similar (siblings do that sometimes right?) but twins always look completely different, which is kind of against the idea...
A thing that also perfectly proves it is if your family has two sets of twins with loading in between. Because while the twins will look completely different within in the set, they will have a clone in the other set.
Thanks for explaining the genetics so well! I also found the first video a little confusing, but this one makes it perfectly clear, thanks for your time.
I am shocked people don't believe you, you explained this so well. I never knew about this syndrome and I've been a Sims player since I was 9! This explains so much now!
*Me trying to desperately remember all the kids I had. I don't think I ever suffered the first born syndrome but I also had a lot of different households in each neighbourhood that I jumped between regulary.
this explains why so many of my sims look the same lol...
i am autistic sims is a special interest & your videos are so interesting to me ! i'm really glad you've made so many on genetics & i watched the other video first & could see what you were talking about but i didn't fully understand. thank you so much for making your content !
Dude, it’s so crazy because when I used to play in the OG days I never knew about this and would get so confused on why offspring would ALL look the same. It would drive me crazy.
omg! I understood things about Firstborn Syndrome, but I didn't know that it did that on old MP3s (and presumably, digital walkmans)! That explains why my songs never were random!
Just getting to play the Sims 2 for the first time recently, and I am so grateful for this clear and easy to understand breakdown and explanation of how to prevent it. Thanks for this!
Firstborn syndrome was (is?) such a pain, I remember frantically rolling the pacifier everytime I launched The Sims 2 (and I played it from the very beginning until like 2014). How come people deny it exists, it has been confirmed for years and definitely doesn't have anything to do with illegal copies, what even?
It’s the people who think they know everything and if they haven’t heard of something it doesn’t exist lol
What do you mean with rolling the pacifier? How? Where?
I love how you explained it xD I'll totally be waiting for the genetics trivia video :o
I can't help but feel you made this because I was asking so many questions on your other video 😂😂 sorry Marticore. I'm dyslexic and it takes a bit of explaining to help me understand. This was explained much better and I can't believe how weird the Sims 2 genetics is
thank you for this video! i've seen people mention first-born syndrome but wasn't sure what they meant, and this video was a great explanation! i also appreciate that you included how to bypass this problem- i'll make sure to hit the randomize button in cas a few times when i start up a new session!
I kinda Like this "bug" because if i like the personality and the look of a sim, but i want it to be in a diferent gender, then I know in wich order it will come and i will be prepared to keep it
I have suffered from first born syndrome since beginning playing sims2. I just never knew what 2 call it! Thank u for the explanation on how it works though.
I'm impressed tge developers never fixed this in all the years this game were in market. Has some bugs that are not minor, they are HUGE. Like this one, and the faces with uniforms on OFB DLC.
Thanks for making this video and as someone who has been playing since 2006. This so much a thing that it is annoying af and I always go into CAS before entering a household with a pregnant sim.
Thank you for explaining it! I was really confused after seeing the first video. You’re the coolest Marti ✨
I didn't notice this issue until I saw it mentioned in a forum but in hindsight, I can definitely see it in my sims.
I thought all sims 2 players knew about firstborn syndrome. Funny some did not even believe you.
I always load up CAS first and randomize until a get a decent sim (looks, hair clothes) This ensures I roll a completely random number of times each time and my lots load quickly and so do my clothes and change appearance on lots.
I have forgotten even though I have done this for years. I had a pair that I didn't notice until they were teens because the next child was a girl and the first a boy. They can be fixed in simPE but I just changed her personality and hobby in the game.
I could personally care less, but with mods, you could also change the kid's face
@@Foxxylizzie You have to be careful with the method you do that though. Because the way they look in game and their genetic appearance are two different things. And the game will only care about their genetic appearance when creating offsprings.
Great video! I would love to hear more about the sims 2 code, mechanics and technical aspects. its my favorite game and I feel like thats the only aspect of it that I havent explored at all.
Thank you for explaining this so perfectly!
Ah, thank you for explaining! I did not know about the number order thing and that is very helpful. Only recently learned about first born syndrome though I've been aware of it for ages - just never understood that it was due to the randomiser. My best example is the family where I decided to have 10 children... 9 out of 10 ended up identical, and the only one who is different from his siblings is one part of the only set of twins that was born in that family 😂 I've loved raising those siblings though and making them different in style, ambition, interests and so on while they all still share traits like being really outgoing, ambitious and athletic. But otherwise I much prefer having siblings NOT be identical, so it's very nice to finally know how to prevent that. I only wish there was a way to get (natural) identical twins as well.
Great explanation! I never fully understood the problem but have totally had clone children. Disappointing when it happens but now I know how to avoid it!
I literally never noticed until I saw one of your other videos about this, but I checked and I definitely had a few siblings that were clones. It kind of creeped me out lol.
Firstborn Syndrome is definitely a thing. I had a couple who had three girls, all with identical genetics and personalities, and I couldn't figure out what was going on. Now, whenever I'm expecting a birth during a new gameplay session, I go to CAS and randomize a new sim a few times to make sure that doesn't happen.
could you give directions? Whatd CAS?
I wasn't aware of this until very recently. I've been playing this game off and on almost since the beginning, but that's just it: I played and didn't spend much if any time on forums talking to other players.
Lol glow ups are just our simmers fixing our faces as we age up
Idk why i couldnt completely understand it in the last video. I think i was just overthinking it but this one cleared a lot of stuff up.
hey! I love your videos, especially the Strange Town ones (while others watch Netflix, I watch your videos). I'm from Brazil and I think I can understand your English more than the English of native speakers, for me, is a good way to improve my listening skills😄
Eu também gosto do inglês dela ^^
@@annacamila_ eu amo! É mais fácil de entender...
This is something I've never noticed, that's so crazy!
I love your videos so much!
I always use the batbox :) it helps a lot and gets me really nice mixes
I don't get how people don't know about this or doubt that it's true. The last time I played The Sims 2 was probably 10 years ago and I still remember this being super annoying...
Baby simmers who just discovered the goldmine that is the Sims 2.
Yes, I noticed this a long time ago. I have changed a sims features in bodyshop so a male has a very long nose and other exaggerated features and sure enough their future offspring sport similar disfigurements lol
Wow! I've spent quite a lot of time playing the Sims 2 and I've never paid much attention to this. I think next time I play I'll definitely watch out for this or give it a try. :-)
In my game I had 2 of my Alien sims get together, in hopes of getting the green skin (they're both 3rd gen) and their twins were the color of their human parents 🤣🤣🤣 been playing for 10 years and i still learn new things every day
Yeah, those were the days. Dominant and recessive genes that actually worked. So good. Nowadays if you did that you’d be pretty much guaranteed Alien babies because everything is just randomly assigned.
And that, kids, is what happens when you don't seed your random number generator.
I didnt quite understand it the first time you explained this so thanks for revisiting and further explaining it! Finally understood them!!
This has been a known issue for a very long time, who doesn't believe this? I started playing back in '06 and this was known then. You just have to randomize the sim generator to get past it prior to any in-game births.
Thank you for this For Dummies version of your explanation, lol! Seriously, I found it very helpful!!!
Well, this already happend with my Sims in The Sims 4, both kids was almost a copy, just the colors being the difference.
I play The Sims 2 since 2007 and always realized that. It occurs because it's impossible to a software to generate random sequences, the sequences are always premade. The only way to avoid this issue is binding the software to a real life randomic live event, but we know that almost every software uses premade sequences.
I’ve never even played the sims 2 but I’m binging all your content. How did I get here?
Super helpful thank you
Unrelated but I love your accent
I DID notice this happening, I have concentrated 'breeding' games and had no idea why I kept getting 'the same kid' O___O this is really interesting!
And this is why, whenever a baby was born, I'd load several times until I got the eyes/hair/gender combo I wanted, then I saved and this is how I got different-looking babies. :)
I do the same thing :D
I understood you immediately! I thought this glitch was well-known? 🤣
I honestly don’t mind the first burn syndrome. I focus more on the gameplay and personality (I used to put the first face template in everyone but now lately I have been making the sims a bit more unique)
Wow I have NO idea what you’re talking about but this is really cool
Yeah, u r totally right, before I didn’t read about this on sims 2 forum I was keep killing babies and have a cemetery of the poor same babies 🤦🏻♀️
I find this so interesting and I’ve never played sims...
Interesting how it works. I've noticed the syndrome on many of my families, but never really got into the reason behind it. In my game I have another syndrome where the first adopted toddler/child will always get the same name.
I never noticed until I used a mod about the genetics "blended"
i like the way you say baby it’s like asmr to me. baybe baybi
See I didn't know firstborn syndrome could happen between two non-firstborn children. I was very confused last week when I experienced non-firstborn firstborns just a couple weeks ago-- I had two sets of twins from the same parent, who were both birthed first thing during their respective game sessions-- it's rare I forget to roll the pacifer, so it was a truly cursed coincidence when this occurred-- so both of the firstborns of the sets of twins are identical, and so are both second borns (as in, if the two sets of twins are A+B and C+D, A+C are identical and so are B+D.) Until that point, I truly believed the explanation that was popular back in 2008 that it was caused by the randomizer starting on the same point, but all the babies after the first are random. Rolling the pacifier makes so much more sense now. Considering the pacifer rolls a different number of times every time you do it, I may actually just pick up the habit of, instead of saving and returning to the neighbourhood when I'm done with a family and ready to start the next, just saving and then selecting to rerandomize sim generator (which automatically returns you to the neighbourhood. I already do that, but usually I do it only the first time I leave a family, and I only bother if I know that there's a sim in my rotation coming up who's pregnant. But if I do it every time, the numbers can keep climbing and reduce the chance of getting an accidental firstborn despite rolling.
Great...this video captivaded me and made me feel like I was just educated and actually learned something, but in reality, it's past midnight and I have yet again acquired absolutely useless knowlegde, hahaha
XD
I never noticed this before. Kinda neat, though I can imagine it can get annoying for people who make families on ts2. I always focused more on making cool houses and couples after all.
I loved the outro haha thanks for that
I don't see anybody arguing your point, but if they are, that's weird. Back in my Sims 2 days, it was common knowledge that you got clones if you didn't click the random sim button in CAS a few times before the birth. It just became a habit. Man I miss that game.
this is spooky!
Haha I probably never really had this issue because my sims sessions would be so long
You can make the baby unselectable and then make the baby selectable again - you can then IMMEDIATELY see the child's personality and know if you've got a clone - more than just looks.
I've been playing this game since release and can verify everything you're saying is quite accurate. There are various ways to get around it but you're not wrong.
Yep, I did that! Also, I cheated it with the moveobjects cheat (when you move the baby, it gets selected in live mode).
I still don’t understand it but I’ll take your word for it
That's crazy, I've never noticed this before. Recently been playing the Sims 2 in small sessions and as usual, having lots of babies... I need to double-check but I think I might have some clone siblings 😒
I used ffs lot debugger ONCE to randomize genes and it broke the baby so now I do it myself
przypomniało mi się jak oglądałam to po polsku haha ❤❤
Ooooooohhh and I lived a life where I thought some Sims just have very strong genes 🤣
Well, that too :D
Hmm ive never noticed this. But probably because i usually play one family for like one full generations at once and get all the baby making phase over with.
I never saw that in my game, and when I first heard of it I went straight to my families to checked the kids, they all were different, even the twins had different personalities 😯
It's actually really hard to have similar twins in TS2
That happened to me too lol I had a baby girl, time passed by and the parents had a new baby boy. They even weren’t the same age and they had exactly the same face. I hated that lol
I had to watch this twice lol
Hope you liked it both times :D
I have a theory that the first-bort syndrome was created intentionally so that twins would usually turn out looking the same. Maybe this is old news and everyone knows this already, but I haven't heard anyone else talk about it.
It actually mostly makes twins look a lot different, because the second twin is the second randomization of genetics.
You can use the sequence thing to have identical twins, but also with the same personalities. Just make one baby, quit the game and make another one. You would have to even out their age with mods or cheats, but it's not that difficult to do :D
Ooooh... I only recently started playing Sims 2 again and was never aware of this... thought it was strange that two kids in the same family had the exact same personality oops haha