The New F1 Rule To Stop Teams Cheating
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- čas přidán 14. 04. 2021
- F1 teams are always trying to gain an advantage, and this particular 2021 F1 rule looks to put a stop to any illegal innovations.
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If a car violates the regulations, the team boss will wake up in bed with the front wing of the car laid next to him.
The Godfather references
Imagine being any other person in the house.
The front wing being broken of course
Can you explain that to me, I find it funny but partially don’t understand
@@desmondc.2351 there's a couple steps to it: In the movie "The Godfather" the mafia intimidates a rich man by killing his prize horse and leaving the head in his bed.
Then ~15 years ago Audi did a TV ad that parodied the Godfather by cutting off the front of a Rolls Royce and leaving it in the bed of the owner.
Since WTF1 mentioned the cars getting dismantled, I was reminded of the ad.
I like how they stopped teams from cheating with traction control systems by just making it legal XD
The only way to eliminate crime 100%, after all, is to get rid of laws
lol that changed in 2008
Ended once they made the ecu a spec part so they could easily police it
I suppose that if everything's legal, the crime rate is 0!
With each team able to develop their own ECU, a traction control ban could never work. TC isn't hardware, it's software, and would be easy to hide.
The only way to effectively ban TC was a control ECU. This required a single engine configuration.
I think the greatest cheat has to be the late 90's when teams worked out the start sequence and played a 'beep' in the drivers ear when the lights were about to go out.
Yeah I watched a video on that one. Engineers are wildin
they exposed them at Nurburgring in 1997 or 1998 and that was fkn hilarious.....I'm more about the vaguely interpreted rules ya know. Like there's no ABS or traction control allowed, notifying driver of wheel slip under throttle is illegal, but no word on notifying driver of wheels slipping under braking, is a brake-locking notification system legal then? Also can drivers have mechanical systems in the cockpit to enhance the way they modulate their driving inputs, like is that necessarily a driver aid because they still have to operate it, but it's just different, or is the easier mechanism an assist?
It wasn’t a beep, the car clutch actually engaged automatically I believe
sorry wut? link to that story?
@@LordLootus From what I understood it was a beep that would go off in the driver's ear about 0.2 seconds before the lights went out. They caught them out by still running the same radio signal, but manually overriding the lights to go out slightly later, without telling the teams what they were doing
Ah yes. The no cheating rule. A very important one
Let's check all the teams if they're cheating except Mercedes
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@@AlmostAProPilot I mean, that's the point of the joke. Mercedes get away with cheating, that's the joke
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Imagine being the mechanic who has to strip the 10,000 parts of the car any time asked you would be thinking.
"Why"
Honestly I think it’d be a pretty awesome job to just take apart and put together F1 cars for a living. I Definitely wouldn’t be complaining
@@bradyhill2136 I think it would be up to the teams to re assemble it because they’re the only ones who know exactly how their car goes together
I thought they completely disassemble the car after every race anyways.
Also these guys can re build one of these cars after they get sent into the wall within 24hrs.
@@bradyhill2136 You might think it is awesome to rebuild an F1 car until the time when you have to stay up until 2am doing it and then be back at the garage again at 6am.
Please make more of these theyre really enjoyable!
More rules? Sure.
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If the FIA made it so every teams designs from 2 seasons ago had to be made available for any other team to see then it would stop cheating and allow teams lower down the grid to catch up by using the out of date bigger teams ideas and developing it in their own way.
I like this idea, teams probably wouldn't agree to it on intellectual property grounds but I like it.
@@charlieh2081 I imagine Ferrari would instantly say no!!
@@Marvolous of course a normal person would say no. In 2 years the majority of the car stays the same, so it would mean that one team can copy the ideas from the others and in 10 years the cars will be all the same. This is probably the worst way to stop cheating.
Sounds cool but teams could really easily change some bits which would make the car terrible
@@lucapalmi the cars being all the same would technically finally bring a close race for the entire grid
FIA: We’re putting these in place to make racing more fair.
Mercedes: Yes
FIA: Taking the fun out of racing since 1904
For 2021 season :
"rules to stop a team winning"
I can already see the FIA taking a car appart, putting it back together and having parts left XD
Or selecting Ferarris competitors over and over again to exhaust the crew, wear & tear on parts etc
"hmm, why there's 2 extra 10mm and one torq bolt here?" and "where tf is the 10mm socket??"
Later they found the 10mm socket lodged in between compressor vanes
Imagine getting in trouble by spending one extra penny on a car
Imagine they find pennies in the car
@@lukecliffe7096 yeah...instead of sandbags.....
It would be 100% fair and deserved.
Spending *literally* an extra penny would probably be met with a "sweep it under the rug" approach; can you imagine how silly the headlines would look the next day? "Team Disqualified For Spending a Single PENNY over the Limit!" would be printed in sports journals up and down the country, and it would just make F1 silly in the eyes of the public.
Spending a tiny amount over would probably get you a slap on the wrist and a fine, while spending egregious amounts over the limit would result in points deductions, or even a total DSQ.
@@tetragon2137 no they should be punished the same.... who cares what worthless sports journalists think.
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i think the best way to combat cheeting or any possibility of cheeting is to ban all the teams and just show 2 hours of an empty race track on tv every weekend
In all honesty,none of us can possibly fathom how OP F1 cars could have been by now if it weren’t for all these regulations
we probably couldve gotten to the point of races being driven in the earths orbit by now
If a team uses something illegal that gives them an advantage instead of banning imo the FIA should force the team to share information with all other teams so that they can copy it and we'd have more balanced performance between the teams.
Share the technical information AND pay to retrofit any other teams that want it. Imagine the sour taste of the Ferrari team having to not only share their secrets with McLaren, but PAYING to install them on McLaren cars.
we need more angles like at 2:40 . much needed to make things more interesting on Tv
Come on F1. You do high FOVs in your promo works too
@@thisdanguy exactly! Nowadays compared to the early 2000’s, everything looks so slow
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@@BigPundo so true, shows exactly what needs to be done ✅
FIA to mechanics: Ok, guys, tear this car apart to inspect it.
2 days later
Mechanics after checking 10.000 parts: What were we looking for in the first place again?
Ferrari, probably hiding something in the car....
Also Ferrari: *Chuckles* I'm in danger
More like every single team, especially the top teams, FIA comes after the teams that dominate the most
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Wait, wasn't the Racing Point controversy regarding the Brake Ducts and not the brakes themselves.
I think so, for further detail I think it was allowed to be a customer part in 2019 but not allowed in 2020 and because Racing Point used the brake ducts from the 2019 car it wasn't legal.
@@joeogle7729 Racing Point used to use Mercedes Rear Brake Ducts in 2019 too, so they in 2020, they used a further developed version of it. But, they used to use their own Brake Ducts, and for 2020 they used Mercedes' Front Brake Ducts, which were sold to them before the regulations came into effect,but since they used them on the 2020 car, they were penalised only for the front brake ducts.
Idea: Let's just open up the regulations a bit and publish all information about (or parts of) the F1 cars every third season or so. Would bunch up the field a bit more, makes for new and fantastic innovations and reduces the costs
i love how at 1:00 the under is literally under the restrictions. Nice little detail by whoever does these videos!
I think it's good that they can now randomly pick any car, and do a thorough disassembly and look at the software too. It will definitely make it much more difficult to hide something that is illegal on the car. Of course, teams may come up with more innovative ways to hide things, but it gets really hard under this new rule. I would like to believe that I'm watching a fair race at the end of the day, and anything the FIA can do to make sure that that is the case is a good thing in my mind.
i think it's a good rule but i hope they don't ban sneaky innovations the made it through the rules (except it makes the racing closer)
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There should be a virtual race series which teams develop without any rules virtually and have drivers compete with each other.
Since the car is virtual, running cost can be substantially lower.
OK that gif of the minivana brakes was frikin hilarious
I know we are all for closer racing, but cheating is such a innovative thing in f1
You bend the rules and find exploits to gain advantage, it just allows for new cooler innovations.
Thats different lol. Its already in the rule book, dont do it. The extra brake for example, nothing stated they couldnt do it, until they deemed it Illegal. So half of what you said i agree with
In 1944 we had Schumacher Vs Senna
But off track protesting TC of Benneton...
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Budget cap is a joke! You can "train" someone out side the company and hire this person with the knowledge (slash development) he brings with him.
what?
I've had an idea for the cost cap thing, if a team spends too much and develops the car more than others they have to pay for everybody else to be developed to that same level and whatever innovation they made gets temporarily made legal for that season
@dynsty no I just thought the cost cap thing was stupid but being able to win through having money also seems like a bad thing
Now I can't wait for F1 2021 game with new rules and teams
I thought Racing Point had bought the plans to both front and rear ducts in 2019, but only used the front ducts on the 2019, so when 2020 came around they used the rear ducts plans. Using the plans in 2019 would have allowed the parts to development, producing a unique piece so being allowed to race with in 2020. They didn't do this with the rear brake ducts. This is all from memory though.
I would say if the car were to not pass, they get to start from back row next race for both cars. But, they are not to know until race start, that way they cannot save tires during qual and practice. Afterwards, doc points from the team, then to reducing cost from next season or reducing development time for aero, then monetary maybe?
Could you do a vid on how F1 cars start?
ive always wondered if some clever engineer has figured a way to make the ers motor into an ad hoc traction control, I mean we know its active in deploying and recovering electrical power to the drivers liking and with the level of complexity now it could be done purely with software, there is the protection mode that stops sudden engine revs that the Fia monitor
No mention of ferrari? No admission of cheating, just a promise not to cheat going forward. Then a suspicious drop off in their engine performance at that exact time.
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The fact that this was uploaded "just" released before the f1 2021 announcement
Didn't the Benetton have launch control? Senna thought he heard traction control but apparently it was a really early design of the blown diffuser. I thought the whole thing was because the Benetton's launches were always freakish and they seemed to get perfect starts every race. And when the FIA did their technical analysis the teams explanation for why the launch control software still existed was "oh, how did that get in there?" Apparently it was accessed by a combination of inputs then going beyond the presets list to "option 13" it's also suspected to be the reason why J.J Lehto cocked up the start at imola because he didn't do the launch procedure correctly.
Williams also still had the software for their driver aids but it was defunct and couldn't be activated even if you tried. All the benetton needed was a laptop and a bit of code and commands and it would start.
I don't know if this is completely wrong but this is what I remember from Aiden Millwards video
Perfect, when thinking about the reasons for reduced F1 attendance and viewers, not enough rules immediately comes to mind. Certainly would not want any innovative tech implementations to unset the parade.
I was sure that they gonna include Ferrari's engine but they didn't xD
Racing Point did not use illegal brakes. It was the brake "Air Inlet" that came to question. It was a carbon fiber cover only.
It was also possible to use a handheld Photogrammetry 3D scanner to steal a design last year. The practice and possession of these scanners have been made illegal for 2021.
2 brake pedals on Hakkonin's car. What constitutes an inside wheel when the car turns both right and left?
The intro though🤣
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another famous one is the BAR- 005 extra fuel tank which helped the car to be over the prescribed minimum weight requirements. The team got banned for 2 races and got a podium stripped off in the San Marino GP
Is that the one that after the race or something got fuelled up with fuel containing lead balls??
saw the 2003 suzuka gp yesterday in a rerun ...maaan those 6s pit stops with refueling xD
NASCAR's had a similar rule for years, but they still usually bust one to five cars (sometimes whole teams or manufacturers) each year.
"1 penny over and you're in trouble"... what's the punishment? a 20k fine?
To be fair the brakes and such were a bit blurrier when it camed to shared parts
Why not have 1 builder that supplies cars to every single team? The teams can paint the cars and install fitted seats. Beyond that, if the spot check reveals any nonstandard parts, you are disqualified from that race.
There have been so many fairly obvious cheats that were never directly dealt with, such as the endless debate over flexible body work. There is also the question of the dominance of Red Bull and then Mercedes. As Vettel was once quoted as saying something like "if they ever figure out what we have been doing...." - my personal belief was engine mapping based on GPS which allowed the car a sort of traction control based on limiting engine power coming out of tighter corners, automatically switching engine mapping on the fly. Just slam it to the floor without concern. Next upshift, the car returns to it's regular mode and away you got with full power.
IMO, any team going over the cost cap should see their own cap lowered by the same amount next year. And punishment should slowly ramp up without warning, so teams never know if they'll be punished or not, and by how much.
Keeping this vague will prevent teams from looking at the penalty as a cost/benefit scenario.
Max Moseley would be Jean Todt's advisor, if team disqualifications are given as punishments.
It's so weird to senna in a Williams suit after seeing him in a McLaren for all his accomplishments.
Literally nobody talks about his editing skills....honestly, what editing skill is he using?
Something I'm noticing more and more when I compare today's F1 to F1 from 20 or 30 years ago... Back then there was a lot more variety in design on the grid. One team's cars could be a strikingly different shape to another. Today however, due to the never ending list of regulations and specifications, they're looking more and more alike... If all the cars on the grid were painted grey, I doubt anyone would be able to tell which is which. F1 is turning into a spec series... Give it another 5 or 10 years or so and F1 probably would be a spec series, with all the cars being absolutely identical, just painted in different colours...
For real, one of the things i find most interesting in F1 it's the very clear cut notion that it's only cheating if you get caught, it gives an edge to an otherwise very posh sport
As a casual F1 fan, these videos help bring a better understanding.
In theory, I think the rule is pretty good, I'm just a bit worried that due to logistical reasons it might turn into this:
*week before the race*
FIA: "We'll be looking at your car"
Team: "Ok"
*proceed to remove illegal car parts*
*race day*
FIA: "Your car looks fine, shame you came 11th in that race, we had you place at least in the top 10"
Team: "Yeaaaaaaaaaah real shame that"
This is me playing devil's advocate mostly because I have no idea how easy or how hard it would be to take an F1 car apart
A possible punishment for going over budget is a big fine
"You wanted to spend more money? HERE, PAY THIS!*
Last time I was this early there were no regulations
Question, if they have to pay a fine would that come out of their budget for the season? I'd assume not but it would defo add even more pressure on teams to race legit.
I was expecting the infamous SF90 but oh well.
What about benetton's filterless fuel pumps in the pits? with higher speed fuel flow so cars can be refueled faster.
1:37 it was so unexpected to see a Brazilian checkbook! (Itaú)
Will be interesting to see which team gets caught first because of these new random inspections, what kind of illegal "part" the FIA is going to find and how long it takes until they find someone cheating.
Controling the limited budget and team spending is a nightmare that is impossible to wake up from.
New rule to stop cheating: just make sure theyre not cheating.
What a revelation
mercedes: cuts track 29 times and has 8 sec lead after pits.
fia: stop that, its now illegal.
fia after race: we didnt change the rules..........
Ok, but don’t act like verstappen didn’t cut the track multiple times as well
@@ashyknees653 oh a verstappen hater, funny how i didnt mention him and here u come biting and speaking nonsense
Sebastian Buse I’m not a verstappen hater, but you just say ‘Mercedes’ but red bull literally told verstappen to do the same thing because Lewis was doing it, so how am I speaking nonsense?
@@ashyknees653 bc right after it was made ilegal when verstappen was told to do the same and couldnt... but then rules didnt change
Sebastian Buse it wasn’t right after, and also they told Lewis to stop cutting before they told Max to, so if you are suggesting that it’s the fia’s fault that Max lost the race, then i would have to disagree with you
Honestly, I'm not a fan of all of the rules and regulations or whatever.
But I feel the cost cap is a relatively fair one?
It definitely aids some of the teams with smaller budgets.
The only thing I would change is that I'd take out the costs of the safety features.
Sure, have a cap on everything that helps the car improve and actually run - but the costs of the mandatory safety features would not be counted towards the cap.
(Also, with this cap being a rule to aid smaller teams - bringing back more options in engines, tyres and more wouldn't be that bad, considering a bigger engine would cost more; meaning that there is now more sacrifice to those decisions).
^so it would be cool to see those options brought back.
When they go over the cost limit they need to drive with an F2 car without any development over the season and split the money they invested to all the other teams would be a nice punishment.
How tyre choice work in Qualification
I’m all for the legality of the cars however I’m afraid there will be less innovation in the grey zone which is the most important part of technical development
A good punishment would be a restriction to the budget of the next year. I.e., if a team spent 10 million above the cap this year, next year they´ll have a 135M cap. And if they spend 145M (default cap) in the year of restriction, they will again have exceed the budget in 10M, so the third year budget will be 125M.
Sure, it might payoff one season to go over the budget, but would definetely compromise the team on the long run.
Also, it's also a good way to give reasonable "fines". If the team went 1/2M over the budget, it shouldn't have the same penalties than a team that went 10M over.
Easy. Less rules, but easier to verify compliance. For example:
Aerodinamics: Do whatever you want, as long as: A wing profile X, placed N meters after the car and at M height doesn't loses more than Y lift, verified in a wing tunnel homologated by FIA. Any combination of parts should be homologated.
Engine: Mandate that engine constructors should be separate entities from teams, at least on paper. FIA fix a price per engine. Any manufacturer is under the obligation to supply engines to any team who ask. Design the engine you want respecting safety constraints (No hydrazine, please). The car, at the start of the race, can´t load more than N MJ per Km, independent of the energy source used.
Electronics: Electronics can do this, that and other thing, nothing more. Design and software sources should be sent to FIA, under NDA. Electronics in cars could be verified at any time by FIA. Non compliance also means the NDA is null, besides other penalties.
etc...
If they violate the cap they have to return the parts until the go back under the cap and they can’t replace them till the next season
If one team goes over budget they should add that much money to every other teams spending caps and fine the offending team that much
If you're going to talk about the Racing Point story. At least give the full story.
Racing point 'claim' that they bought the designs to the Mercedes Brake ducts in 2019 before they were a listed part. They then didn't fit into the car until 2020. So while being a grey area the designs were fine to be bought when they bought them, but were not fine when actually fitted to the car
I think it should be allowed by only the lower teams to allow them to cause a bit more of an issue for the upper teams to keep up and make the races more "spicy"
I raced go karts 20 years ago. I learned about the sport in the US from someone who was racing midget series. They told me racing IS cheating.
1994 Benetton Team be like: It's not cheating, if you don't get caught 😉
McLaren: *evil laughter on the diffuser*
Also McLaren: *im in danger*
Well it's a loophole that's apparently ok so I think they got away with it
Hard caps are stupid in sports and almost everything; Soft caps are where it's at.
3:08 So that's why Hülkenberg was locking up during Eifel GP 2020.
They can pull random cars at random moments apart without telling why.
It sounds like a fair way to police, but it also shows a lack of transparency...again. Sometimes it seems like F1 draws 'fair' rules with an asterisk so, if necessary, they can enforce rules differently between different teams. Like track limits, fuel regulations, copying design etc. I'm not saying they are, but from a spectator's point of view, the inconsistent ruling and cloudiness surrounding the rules do give the impression that fair play isn't no.1 priority.
I feel like the punishment for going over the budget should scale, if you're from 5-50k over you lose 1 point, every 50-100k removes one more point
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No mention of Ferrari's engine......
The FIA found the engine was designed to be able to by-pass the sensors, but couldn't prove they had done so during a race, much like Benneton's Option 13 being available, but not detectible after the fact.
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If caught cheating, car is given to rival team for "deep inspection".