Can the M2 Bradley Make a Difference?
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- čas přidán 13. 01. 2023
- American Armored Infantry Fighting Vehicle M2A2 Bradley's are deploying to Ukraine. Will they be able to push Russian Armed Forces back across the border? Putin is making some limited advances in one town in Eastern Ukraine and the war is entering a pivotal moment. Could the M1 Abrams be next? Lets analyze the M2 Bradleys weapons and armor capabilities and it's logistics limitations.
The 25mm autocannon has armor piercing munitions that can rip through the Russian BMP. It's armor can stop incoming auto cannon rounds.
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As a gulf war era Bradley guy (dismount and later gunner), I can tell you I loved this vehicle. We didn't have half the capabilities of the current versions but I always felt like an NFL team playing against JV high school. I remember being in Germany and using the thermals to count antlers on a deer at night down range. With the current optics, laser range finders, battlefield awareness, etc. I can hardly imagine how much better it is now.
@@user-gi8me5sl3d Bradley has more tank kills than Abrams. It fights tanks and wins.
yeah , Ukraine isnt getting them with all the great gear, USA will not risk tech falling into Russian hands. so there is that
@@user-gi8me5sl3d Don't come to the game with flip flops and AK47's would be my advice.
@@user-gi8me5sl3d on the occassions that they have fought Russian made armor the Bradley's prevailed. So far, the Russians have not shown they are capable of combined arms maneuver and I seem to recall the Russian military having a hard time with sheep farmers in Chechnya carryding AK47s.
@@user-gi8me5sl3d current russian winter uniform
**Correction: accidentally showed the chinese flag at 3:09. No pinned comment this time, I'm looking forward to hearing what you guys think, if you agree or disagree with the analysis. Thank you very much for watching guys I really appreciate your time.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
This is certainly one of the deals of all time.
I like the Bradleys pushing Chinese flag away from Melitopol at @3:10 . Actually somewhat realistic.
Дякую за відео.
Слава Україні 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦.
Considering that the Bradley was developed with the intent of serving against USSR and taking in consideration how well it fared against Sadam Hussein's Soviet equiped Armored Corps, the existing evidence seems to reinforce this notion. Added to the fact that the UA is working with a Westernized way of warefare in combined arms it is very likely that it will make a difference if properly supported as part of units including MBTs and APCs and dismounted infantry. Now if we could just give them a cool 100 of them!
11 M2A2 ODS-SA BRADLEY left the battle
Imagine flexing over a dozen enemy losses after losing thousands of "armored" russian crap
Turns out the Bradelys are only good if it isn't fighting an enemy with multiple means to destroy it.
well nothing can survive that thing
Lol 😆 some comments are now being edited after few months of bradley in Ukraine 😅
@@langarsairyon4526 bruh i fixxing my comment because i says "we" and not "well"
Those Bradley’s are getting absolutely slaughtered it’s insane. Daily video and pics
Note to self: if America offers you anything for free it's probably garbage.
at 3:11 you've depicted Ukraine kicking China out of Melitopol
This seems like a really hard mistake to make unless you were trying to use the flag of the soviet union, which would also be incorrect
He's American 🤠😂😂😂😂
It's awesome leave it!
I noticed this also. Ooops.
They have been reduced to a chinese client state at this point.
Well, hopefully Ukraine will keep going east and eventually get round to dealing with that enemy... ;)
as a Ukrainian I'm absolutely in love with your interpretation of our names and our topographical names. it's if i would say "Pilladepiya", "Fallourida" or "Siskieattle".
Well, we can say BRADLEY & HIMARS can't we?
I'm with you. When I speak a language I only barely grasp, what I say comes out like poetry to the native speaker. I've observed this as well, hearing tourists speak my language.
God i cannot listen to it. There is noone else that can butcher words like he does. There are not even letters in those words that would be read in english anywhere near to what he says.
Do cincinnati lol
It's the thought that counts! In America, we barely understand eachother!
Only a difference when it’s facing an third-world country that is heavily sanctioned
You should probably go look at the Iraqi Army pre Desert Storm bud. Your bot farm message will work on stupid zoomers but some of us remember Iraq having the worlds 3rd biggest tank force. Which was predominantly wiped out by Bradley’s 😂😂😂
@@Notmeeeeeee69and those tanks were T-55s and T-62 with no night vision or any modern technology to fight back.
please don't embarrass yourself at least.
@@norad6437
Says more about the Saddam regime then the Bradley. What was a dictator expecting when all AFVs have thermal and night vision going against inferior night vision?
@@allcentaur384Says more about US propaganda. Thr Battle of 73 Easting just showed how outnumbered, outgunned and outmatched technologically the Iraqis are by the US military.
@@JABelms Curious how that says anything about American propaganda? Iraq went into a war with the best they had, and found out the US was more prepared.
Hands down, your videos are some of the most informative yet entertaining ones out there. There's consistent background info, evidence of solid research and the interviews add real credibility. Sorry for sounding like I just graded your term paper - love your channel, thanks!
When I served, I was 11M, and was a Bradley driver, and later a dismount rifle team leader. Granted this was 25 years ago, but I found the Bradley to be very capable and mobile even in field conditions. We trained specifically to counter Russian forces and tactics and the Bradley and crews did very well in most scenarios. I would suspect Ukrainian soldiers with an intimate knowledge of Russian tactics would do even better.
How long would the Ukrainian soldiers need to be trained to be as effective as you guys were on the battlefield?
I'm not so far convinced that Russia has "tactics"...
I dont think the tanks from Irak had the same armor of the russian tanks, and they(Ucranian) arent figthing agains the same optics or ammo…..
@@manueljesussanchezfuente8449 actually in Iraq etc there were the t-72, so...
It's was 25 years ago bro where era of drone doesn't appear amd massive like today.
They need like 500, not 50! But as you said, it's pretty complex. They need a supply chain, people to repair and maintain the equipment, people to get trained up, and spare parts. It's not as easy as just shipping them 500.
I think more will come pretty quickly. They’re being phased out so I think they’re happy to let them do some good. They’ll let them get used to them, figure out the maintenance/support etc, then send more. Certainly another fifty, maybe more.
It is impossible to send a repair team, rockets will arrive there. The Russians have already destroyed all the enterprises for the production of armored vehicles, this is one of the reasons why Zelensky is begging. Ukraine has lost 2,000 thousand tanks during the entire war.
I think a lot of new tech will do more harm than good for Ukraine. If they get the Bradley piecewise, they can equip one or a few battalions at a time and still keep up pressure in the front line instead of rotating units back to retrain and supply new equipments
50 for starters. Hopefully another 50 in near future
i iamgine ukraine is about to recieive alot more newer IFVs from various nato aligned countries, and I doubt this is going to be all from the Americans
Soooo you were saying? :)
Russians welcome this american IFV so warm🔥🔥 that they even named an open field "Bradley Square". 😂😂Lmao
More Ukraine analysis would be really useful. It's the only western style conventional war in the last 20 years, and even if the tech is last gen and second-hand, it's showing us what war is going to look like for the next 10-20 years. Lots of old lessons that still hold true. Lots of new lessons to learn.
"reporting from ukraine" channel will give u very good daily tatical updates. perun does excellent long form strategic topics.
@@specialingu the same perun whos made multiple claims in the past about how "there are no nzis in ukraine" or that "ukraine will win a war of attrition" or that "russia is running out of missiles"? that same perun?
@@scamdem1c bro, you really took shit out of context. There are nazis everywhere, but they don't control Ukraine. From what I remember he said that they are not firing at nazis but at everyone and maybe Russia should take care of their own nazis.
As of, artillery munitions - there is good enough proof that Russia is running out. There is less and less russian artillery fire every day. It doesn't have to mean they are scraping the barrel, but it has visible effects. They are producing new shells though.
As of attrition, yeah that's what usually happens when you have a defending country supported by almost entire world vs a country that stretches its supply lines over unfriendly terrain. Ukraine already won that type of battle in Kherson.
Exit: you said missiles not artillery but we can count it as a similar thing.
@@scamdem1c
Yes. Because he's got proof and can use basic logic, while most Vatniks assume that five fascists in Ukraine means that the entire Ukrainian populous are Nazis
@@scamdem1c yes, firstly he never said there are no Nazis in Ukraine, secondly the other points have yet to be disproven.
The Ukrainians will figure out how to maintain the Bradleys in a couple of weeks. I worked with these guys in the 1990s. The Soviet Union pillaged the Warsaw countries. As such, people in the former Warsaw pact countries developed a self-sufficient and ingenious survivor mentality. They figured out how to properly maintain a 737 in a couple months. I was amazed. Further, they are not afraid to ask questions. They significantly increases the rate of learning.
Ukraine usually send the dmged tanks back to the west. They cant fix them.
I feel this is similar to the Polish. I worked with a company some time back. We had an experimental system that we could use to work out waypoints on a digital map which was projected on a table. So a commander could walk his men through the upcoming area of operation. We didn't really use it yet but those Polish figured it out on their own in an evening. Bunch of macgyvers, those eastern europeans.
Looted and educated somehow doesn't fit together, don't you think? The USSR allocated 1 trillion rubles a year for Lithuania alone to exist, at that time the ruble was worth more than a dollar. Higher education, for which loans are taken in the USA, was absolutely free in the USSR, so people studied quickly.
@@user-fx5jh6yt8o That sounds like pure bullshit for multiple reasons. For example, it took the USA near 20 years to spend a trillion in Afghanistan and Iraq while having a massive military presence there. This was already at a much higher inflation level than the supposed one trillion per year from the USSR. If accounting for inflation we'd be looking at multiple trillions per year in current days money.
Also, corruption. With the amount of corruption so far uncovered in the RFAF it stands to reason that a proporionate size of that money dissapeared.
I just think you switched Billion and Trillion up and to be fair, given the GDP's om most former soviet countries, the USSR definitely banked on them.
@@attilamarics3374 Put yourself in their shoes. They are doing the expedient thing. In a jam, they can do it.
In a previous life, they would me for assistance in troubleshooting a commercial airplane. With little prior experience, they were amazing.
I was in Desert Shield and Storm. When we arrived in the port in Saudi Arabia, at the port our equipment was unloading from, there was a large motorpool with 3,000 M1s and 3000 Bradleys. They were there for replacement vehiclkles. We have the bradleys to give. If they want 600, give them a 1,000. Lend Lease!!!!!!
GIVE THEM A THOUSAND??. GIVE THEM STRAIT TO RUSSIA??.
@@davidroberts4398 straight.
@@tombaillie5219 THE ABRAHAMS HAVE PROBABLY BEEN ORDERED BY CHINA?, VIA HUNTER BIDEN?, 10% FOR THE BIG GUY?.
BRO IMAGINE IF THE US DIDNT HAVE AIR SUPERIORITY AND THAT WHOLE MOTORPOOL GOT BOMBED THAT WOULD BE REALLY BAD
They are still gonna lose
Best IFV destroyed by a shovel
But crew services unlike the joke of BMPs that get trashed with everyone inside gone. Lol
@@lenini056dude is crying harder then bradleys getting smashed by russian helicopter 😂
@@ussrrussia6005 stingers: DON'T TEST ME, REMEMBER AFGHANISTAN?!
@@lenini056 kornet: don't test me remember YEMAN syria and Ukraine
@@ussrrussia6005 ATAMACS: Coming Soon to a Russian HQ near you. Lol
The Chinese flag had me deceased. 😂
Yeah I didn’t get the joke at firstn
woops ! sorry about that error my bad
@@Taskandpurpose my humor 😁
Same
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Kumi
I am very interested is seeing how the UA integrates drones, with armour units. This is going to be revolutionary.
Read about Azerbaijani liberation of Nagorno Karabakh.
@@alaskarov1297 cool, I'll do that. I remembered the Azerbaijan military used drones extensively against the Armenians.
Who are they fighting now?? all the russians have been killed! ukranistanian winning in all fronts and they are marching to moscov. putin had cancer and althaimers and he dead for over 8 months.. war is over ukranistania won and now they need to pay back the usa and eu. sell your children sell youre wife or the americans come take youre water.
The New York Times wrote about it. The main element between reconnaissance drones, armored vehicles and artillery is the Delta information exchange system. Well, now using tablets from the civilian market and this software - intelligence data on Soviet tanks, guns and BMPs are effectively used and there is a side-by-side exchange of data in real time. That is the kind of system you mentioned - it is already working on the battlefield, the powerful American infantry fighting vehicles will qualitatively strengthen our troops, but, apparently, the main control of the troops will still be carried out through the native system.
@@sancocho1718 you can also read about operation at the Izum (Ukrainian tankers were well informed about positions of the enemy because of drones)
As a result - they were able to win tank duel and make an opening at the enemy's defence
have to admit it's a thing of beauty to see these cold war weapons finally doing what they were intended to do. Regardless of the suffering of war, purely from an engineering perspective
Is what I had thought ... remembering the days of *_"Bug Out"_* and such.
The engineers could have done a better job with these I'll tell you that from experience
That’s because it’s not NATO soldiers who are dying. Ukrainians are dying in record numbers. They are being used like pawns.
@@realnapster1522 You would warp reality just to be nasty?
*_Ukrainians_* are fighting *_to defend their own nation_* against *_invasion by Putin's thugs._* And you just muddy the water with your polluted thinking.
Their first entry into battle 16 of them hit a minefield 10km from the LOC and were abandoned in less than an hour of operating. lol
lol@its advanced amour. most have been blown up!! single shots.
When I was young in the 80’s I didn’t understand why someone didn’t want more tanks instead, but after reading about the first gulf war I understand that the Bradley is the little weapons platform that can do. Seems like it has only gotten better over the decades
"little"
It's stupid and Garbage
Will be Wiped out by the Russians
At this moment I would say.... it's a tank
Doesn’t matter, the Bradley finally gets fielded against the enemy it was designed to fight. Either way, it’ll be interesting to see how it does, it’ll provide excellent data for next gen designs.
US 80s kit VS soviet 70s/40s kit...it is hilarious how much things change but stay the same
@@Mwwwwwwwwe thy are using new equipment broaden your information base.
but haven't we seen yemen rebels take out saudi ones by kornet missiles.?this won't change anything
@@matthewgibbs6886 *citations needed
@@briant5685 To be fair, the Saudi military also tends to be incredibly inept, with American equipment being the only thing propping it up.
You have journalists asking questions at press briefings now!?! That’s awesome dude!
Saw videos of burnt out Bradleys and Leopards today.
Stripped and Upgraded +300 Bradley's as a civilian contractor with BAE systems at Yakima, Washington and Fort Carson, CO. Deffiantly got some sweet upgrades!
Thank you for the insightful analysis. I love how you used PRC's flag on the map representing "a collapse of the Russian Defensive positions in the south". Please don't change it back.
PRCs flag was also behind the Russian ambassador.
😂 I thought I was the only one that saw it. Came here to say the same thing.
@@inertia14 I saw it too, and my first thought was wow, USanians really can't tell the difference between different countries and their flags. I wonder if my Danish flag - being also mostly red - could be dangerous in a critical situation. Sad.
@@lhpl Oh look here an arrogant Scandinavian acting all mighty and high.
That won't happen to China
As US officers who train Ukrainians report "Ukrainian soldiers finish 6-month training in 2 weeks" and that's not because of time limitations, but because of abilities. Most training is created for 18 years old not motivated soldiers, and it is different when you have highly motivated 30+ years old with 2 Master's degrees in Electrical and Mechanical Engineering or similar field
It's not even about age, anyone in the know wants to work with uneducated mature age students in Universities because it's easier to see that they didn't just go there for the hell of it, motivation is a powerful thing. We're always just comparing ourselves to the average person, and deep down the average person doesn't even want to be there.
Lmao that is complete propaganda bullcrap. They are getting two weeks of training out of desperation. NOT A CHANCE anybody is coming out of two weeks of training and being proficient at soldiering. But it's good to know that Ukraine is sacrificing its engineers for nothing. Real smart move, that.
@@Deltaworks23 Of course they're desperate; they're in war against a foreign invader and rely on foreign military aid to win that war and expel the invading force from their territory. That IS a desperate situation. That said, I don't think Russians are any less desperate right now or that they train their mobilized conscripts any better.
@@Deltaworks23
At last! somebody with own criteria
@@Deltaworks23 :D bot :D
Hey, I can answer that question: Hell no!
I spent 10 year on the Brad with 3 deployments to Iraq. Guys who train year around for heavy battalion combat know how capable the Bradley really is. I miss my Brad.
So how many T90A did you have to take on, how many heavy artillery barrages did you face?
No T90A but we definitely had to deal with indirect fire. It’s no different then any other armored vehicle in that since. If they drop a direct hit with a 155 shell your done. Handles shrapnel pretty well with ERA ands BUSK. TOW 2B could take out a T90A with ease. Superior optics give us excellent first detection chances.
@@Mortablunt Clearly more than you.
@@Mortablunt More bluster....all talk no action
@@Mortablunt Supplying log range shells to Ukraine to soften up the heavy artillery lines will make the advancing Bradleys a cakewalk
Military aid is actually a really good way to get rid of ageing hardware to make way for new stuff. In Australia we sent some of our really old, Vietnam war era M113 APCs to Ukraine as it's too expensive for upkeep and we will replace them soon anyway
Vietnam Era M113s are much much better than whatever the fuck is being handed over to the Russians and the Donbass Traitors.
One small issue: You never asked our permission to pay for the new stuff. Forgive us slaves for not being enthusiastic when the master buys new whips!
Those Australian M113's are probably the best in the world right now. They've just been upgraded in a number of areas which includes an automated turret and more armor. Better than old Vietnam era M113's.
@@yakidin63 they are the most upgraded, but unless we are fighting some kind of poorely armed Guerilla group, they are pretty much obsolete especially when our military can afford much better, I'm sure other countries without the same capabilities who would be fighting smaller groups or terror groups. Any potential war in Australia or in surrounding countries would be impossible to use them as all of our neighbours' landscapes are thick jungle which makes them even harder to use efficiently. Also when it comes to old and outdated tech, sure you can upgrade it all you want, but it eventually gets to the point that you may as well just buy something better for the same price. There is a market and use for M113s, but not in a modern and well equiped army like Australia. But in places like the Phillipines of Indonesia with smaller regional conflicts against poorely armed insurgents, im sure the m113 would be very effective. The Filipinos found that out in their war against ISIS in Marawi
Oh yeah and who gonna pay for the replacement? And it isn't old they are actively upgraded
It will cost billions to replenish the stocks = More printed money = more inflation
I'd say the 50 CV90s Sweden is sending are even more important than the Bradley, comparatively, as US are testing CV90 as a potential replacement. It has a 40mm gun and can be fitted with, among other missiles, the Rafael Spike AT missile, or an advanced AA radar to take out fighter/bombers and drones. Compared to both Marder & Bradley, it's a far more modern system. And for a small nation with limited resources it's impressive seeing them supplying this, together with at least 12 Archer artillery pieces.
Compared to many of these CZcams productions, this is an excellent documentary, very informative. Thanks for your efforts!
I still think that the thermal optic is a greater advantage in a forest like environment than in open field where no advanced optics are required. Everyone is hidden in a forrest but only the bradley can see the enemy.
Both sides have a lot of drones tho
@@p4nnusIf we both get our drone operators to call our positions at the same time, but I have the better optics, I will see you first and shoot first. Drones are great. The weapon operator still needs the ability to see for himself what the drone guy is watching.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Yes, true, this was a comment on Franz' "everyone is hidden in a forest but only the bradley can see the enemy" which is complete BS.
The most up-to-date optics are also unlikely, I'd have thought, to be in the stockpiled models likely to be shipped to Ukraine. Fantastic if the US does send them, but I can't imagine the most up-to-date models will be sent. But thermals for use in winter? Essential!
@@p4nnus True but still big advantage if you ask me. Drones cant fly under the tree line at least.
Really excellent work putting together these videos. The visuals are good, combined with great camera work and narration . Very interesting insight on what’s happening with military today. Your site has always been good and seems to be improving. I’m sure I’m not alone to say I appreciate your high quality vids.
Although im pretty sure they put the Chinese flag instead of the russian one at one point
@@frf5000 I thought that was the Sovient Union flag, lmao that was embarrassing for me XD
@@frf5000 At one point? At numerous points!
Hey, absolutely love the channel and all that you do and the way you are keeping everyone updated on Ukraine so firstly thank you 👊🏼
As a Brit I’m really interested in the fact that we are sending a Brigade of Challenger 2 tanks there and would love for you to do a pice on them, their effectiveness and the implications that might follow.
Thanks again for the epic show.
Pete.
I'll help you with that mate, both the Bradley's and the challengers burn the same together with whatever nato through their proxy Ukraine throw at the Russians. It's game over.
@@BR-fi7te you mean like thousands of Russian tanks ?
As a Russian, I'll be very interested when some kinds of missiles fly towards Britain. Let have a fun together then
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Excellent content! Unlike other videos, on this channel I leave more enlightened. And, I have the urge to crank out 10 push-ups.
Keep it up, God bless you.
Ukraine is skillful in combining different types of equipment and using strategies to get the most out of them - the Bradley for light targets, combined with the French AMX-10 for heavily armored targets, in a fast moving offensive, could be a lethal combination.
The AMX-10 can’t shoot while on the move as the gun doesn’t have stability.
they just have no other choice
@@gettingfactsoutthere Ukrainians use what they have...
@@gettingfactsoutthere If they use like the Abrams is typically used, they are split into multiple pairs, 1 pair moves forward while the others sit in cover to provide fire support, or the Abrams is used as the forward scout identifying targets for the AMX-10 following behind.
The AMX can do nothing against tanks but can destroy any vehicule other than T-72/80/90 Tanks.
A major disadvantage is that the 105 mm gun is that it is not compatible with NATO 105 mm shells.
Have you seen videos from Bradley Square?
Can't wait to see Bradleys and Challenger 2s working together in an armoured battlegroup. Will be a beautiful sight, and massively outmatch the russian capabilities.
Your a military expert bozo?
"massively outmatch the russian capabilities" 🤣🤣🤣
Exactly right 4 of these with a challenger.
Is England sending enough Challengers to make it worth supporting them in theater?
Yeah because Challengers and Bradleys are useful in a war that primarily uses Artillery...........idiots.
I was a Bradley gunner 9 years ago during the time when we upgraded to A3s. The M2A2s are only lacking the laser rangefinder and computer gps but is still very formidable. In my opinion you could rudimentarily train a crew in 2-3 days. It can also carry 6 troops comfortably probably carrying dismounted rockets.
It's the M2A2 ODS-SA, it has range finder and JBCPs. I was using a ODS-SA until last year when we finally upgraded.
whole couple thousand of them hope we send more
@@wellread8649 I would assume the JBCPs would be removed
@Q Dog idk some of the Iraqi Army dudes had FBCB2s in their mraps. If we trust those clowns I'd imagine we'd trust Ukrainians.
@@wellread8649 If they could be trained to sniff out the $13 TRILLION in lithium deposits around the Donbas found just before all this popped off, I'll bet they could be REALLY useful.
11:19 Dude those things are turned into scrap metal... born to be junk?
Aged like milk this guy get humbled quickly 😂
Very informative and interesting. Looks like even the aging Bradley with the older technology rather than the most modern upgrades, it is still going to be very formidable on any battlefield.
50 Bradley’s will not make a significant difference on the battlefield. Especially when the frontline is as long as it is.
16 of them were destroyed or abandoned within minutes of operating literally 10 km from the LOC
Bradleys are awesome! I was mechanized infantry in Iraq 2004-05. This is pretty huge, but they're gonna need way more than 50.
They could make this a mix of M2 Brads and M113 (ACAV version) in a mech company. Have one M2 per platoon to support them
I heard they’re not gonna receive any TOW.
My thoughts as well, let's make a difference.
Yeah if there is 6700 of them, hopefully many more will find its way to Ukraine.
@@vknight7497 they are getting 500 what do you mean
I remember using Bradleys in Iraq… great vehicles
Edit: Although, it was a very different enemy. I still think it can give Ukraine another edge, just not enough to do extremely severe damage
Ofcourse the bradleys will perform better, you are fighting a 3rd world country which was sanctioned but aginst russia which has the ability to shoot back? Thats when the REAL battle testing starts
@@u2beuser714My thoughts exactly. I think we are clearing our inventory, as well as testing as you said
@@SkFrvr i have a question for you, what was the iraqi armys uniform? How did they look like?
@@u2beuser714 bradleys and Marder just make sense together with western MBTs combined in a heavy mechanized Brigade
@@u2beuser714while I was in I saw a lot of them wearing US MARPAT uniforms. They’d usually wear PASGT helmets and OTV vests. As for weapons there’s a huge range but usually I’d see AK derivatives and Zastava M70’s. Hope this helped
And they used them wrong, and they burned on the battle field. Kelsey Grammar movie comes to mind.
Operating on the mechanized battlefield with the Abrams Main Battle Tank, Artillery, and Attack Helicopters, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle guarantees the United States Army has a combined arms team that is second to none.
we have not trained for this type a war since at least 93
@@matthewgibbs6886 And the Russian army is heavily corrupt and incompetent.
And the Chinese military is so green they piss grass. When was the last time they fought a major war?
@@matthewgibbs6886 NATO have constantly trained for this type of war since 2011
do you think the US military will be involved in another war in 50 years?
I could hear the music as I read that.
What a great in-depth analysis, thank you for your effort. Regarding the space in the BMP and Bradley - I had the oppurtunity to get in both of these vehicles at the NATO Days in Czechia and believe me when I say that there is much more space in the Bradley. It may accomodate less troops but it's much more comfortable.
You never get inside either.
It is nice to hear the pride you have in the vehicles. It is very heart warming to me and the pride I have in you, all the more.
Mind officially blown at the retiring of the Brad's for _"Optionally manned fighting vehicles!"_
Especially since the guns that are being considered seem optimized for shooting down drones.
Hopefully it means well see some surplus bradleys for sale
Another tactic that we practiced on at NTC was having dismounts open up the hatch in the back to target a second vehicle simultaneously with the turret targeting the first one. While exposing your side to three enemy is ideal it does pack a punch when you load it with dismounts who have their own stingers or at4s
So, shooting an AT4 out the large rear door of a Bradley?
@@j.f.fisher5318 It's a top hatch at the rear of the vehicle. not the ramp in the back. I never did that myself. We used it for air conditioning when it got hot or for ventilation when we hadn't bathed in 45 days and were in MOPP gear.
CLEAR BACKBLAST
@@mikerichardson3960 man taking a bath sure is something to overlook when you've never lived that life. Bet you guys smelled like a pack of farm animals. 🤢
I guess that's a thing but probably a suicidal tactic with live rounds. And would have limited use.
Due to the back blast of missiles particularly that extremely powerful Tow.
It can seriously wound or kill everyone with their head out the hatch and possibly even someone down in the hull since the hatch can direct the blast down into the hull.
I get the "side on" allows the back blast area to be clear for the man portables, but it makes the Bradely more vulnerable.
And in a maneuver war it can't and shouldn't be maintained.
It limits the movement of the turret and also focuses all the enemy's attention on the vehicle.
Also rounds that strike the turret can wound or kill the dismount with blast and shrapnel even if it doesn't penetrate the turret or kill the Bradely.
If the dismount actually dismounts, they can be just as devastating, allow the turret full motion and splits the enemies fire between the vehicle and the devastating accurate fire from that bush, this rock That group of trees, that roof top or window.
Yes, the vehicle is the main target, but can the enemy maintain focus on it when missiles are flying accurately from multiple points at them, and their world and buddies are exploding around them?
I was a 27E Tow Dragon Repairer on the Bradley, and it took months to train in it.
This was the best explanation of the Bradley M2 and its capabilities on the internet.
At this point it’s probably safe to assume that any time the west announces supplies of these platforms, they’ve already trained Ukrainian soldiers on how to use them.
Lets hope so.
ahhh it's painful to watch
Answer July 2023.
No.
It's made no difference.
update Bradley took out a t90 kinda embarrassing that an mbt got slammed by an ifv
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Answer February, 2024.
No.
It's made no difference.
6:48 From my experience as a technician in the Airforce, even once you’ve passed out of training it still takes YEARS to become experienced enough to know what you’re doing. A recruit out of training still needs his experienced NCOs to tell him what needs doing and how to fix it, especially when things don’t go to plan. Also some awkward tasks require hand skills or a knack, you can’t teach that.
You were in the Army, our guy here was in the army, you both know these machines are not made to work alone.
We all know American war machine needs combine arm warfare to function at its best. Does Ukrainine have the training or the forces to support the Bradleys and not just toss them out on the field for Russian artillery to mince them to pieces?
Considering Ukraine had the biggest amoured force in Europe aside from Russia ( so #2) and now they need Western tanks and IFV, then it's already over.
Dude ur 100% right. Not to mention where will they repair and service these tanks. Russia have destroyed all service locations hence y all tanks are serviced and repaired on Poland. No one item shirts a war or operates in isolation... Short of a nuke.
@@maxiejohnson8356 I believe they have MORE armor than when they started. Because of all the captured tanks.
But everything both sides have over there is 3 decades behind the bradleys. And while, I will concede I was not in the army...I think the point was the tech gap.
As far as maintanence? Couldn't say. But there have been ukranian troops training for months in many different countries, and we were already training them.
I kind of figured that would be part of the point of us re-establishing positions in that area. Hey, come to Poland, get trained by Americans and combined NATO forces...
Oh, that's weird, we just have these Bradleys, Patriot batteries, Abrams, etc.. positioned right in these countries to defend against "Russia Invading."
Putin is crazy. Not stupid.
What's probably going to happen is that they're going to send a bunch of Urkainians to be Bradley maintainters either somewhere in a NATO country or the US to learn how to work on them. Then we''ll probably set up a repair depot somewhere in an eastern European NATO ally where the UJkrainians will send their Bradleys to undergo maintenance and repairs. This depot will probably be manned by a combination of experience Bradley mechanics overseeing newly trained Ukrainian mechanics with the goal of building up the Ukrainians experience so they can go back to teach and supervise their own people.
Years of training, just like all those hundreds of thousands of recruits in World War II...
Always the most lucid, cant-free and in depth analysis out there. Thanks!
He's good, but no one can outshine Perun
Pure Nazi propaganda Copium.
One of the best deep-dive videos I've ever seen, on any subject. Thanks, team.
one one side you give through and through guide for weapons, one the other you always insert some funny parts that get me laughing at work, your videos have it all. 10/10
A couple hundred arrived in my country, the Netherlands this week. It was even on the news how the US manages to deploy so many vehicles in one shipment.
Say what you will about the US military, but it's logistics are the best in the world by an unimaginable margin.
@@TheStephaneAdam not so good at winning
@@TheStephaneAdam I heard stories that a German officer in WW2 finally lost hope in the War when an American supply struck they captured had luxury items like birthday cakes in them.
@@julianshepherd2038 Against guerrilla fighters, it gets dogged. Set piece battles against other nations, it’s a juggernaut.
@@julianshepherd2038 can you name just 1 fight we lost? A d please don't just say the name of a country, I'm asking about a fight..
For example, Russia lost the 2022 battle for Kiev in spectacular fashion.
Superb stuff as always Cappy! Thank you.
Good info no BS straight and to the point!
Lolololol, they would be turned into expensive steaming piles of crap at the end of the day by Russians armed with nothing but shovels.
How is that shovel working now?
@@Denis-rb1wm better than ever, team Bradley is currently on the back foot.
@@joeo2533 well you need more shovels in avdivka to make up for all the hundreds of armored losses
@@Denis-rb1wm they have quite enough seeing as team Bradley is in serious need of 500k men they are failing to kidnap from the streets these days especially for avdiika.
i like the fact that the units can help the soldiers survive as well, it's cold out there. so even when not active in hunter / killer/ spotter roles... it can be used as mobile hot spots to have rotating units use if they can't fall back to non front line stations.
The behind the M1A1 was one of the warmest places during winter training in Germany, the tank crews can set up a quick warming station top/behind the turret with a tent and sleeping bags. The M1A1 tank uses JP-6 fuel and its just like a kerosene salamander heater (clean exhaust). Scouts always come to the ass of the tanks when freezing.
It can't.
1) They're wasting fuel that way.
2) Nobody likes to breathe diesel fumes and exhaust.
3) Huddling, bunching up around an armored vehicles is against training if not practical experiences by this point.
@@tomcat6735 in the US they gave you thermal blankets and heat packs. You use them only when you can't light fireplace
@@sys3248 better than freezing to death- and it’s outside. This has been done forever by infantry.
@@sys3248 you're conflating OP's comment and that of tomcat67. OP never said they would stand around behind the Bradley, but rather, I think, suggested they could hop in and close the door. With regards to the fuel waste, that's true. However, if the Bradley is actively working its sensors to spot things in the area, I think it would need to idle anyway? Anyway, it's also important to keep your troops warm when operating in the cold, so they might opt to do it anyway - it comes down to a cost/benefit thing.
Being on a PSYOP Team attached to an armor battalion during the 1st Gulf War we saw numerous T-72's being killed by Bradley 25mm's. Being the only soft-shell vehicle in the formation allowed us a better view of everything. During the ceasefire I talked to ne of the Bradley gunners and asked how many rounds was I taking to kill a T-72. He said 20-25 and he was as surprised as everybody else probably was that a 25mm could kill a tank. He thought the DU rounds could damage a tank but not kill one head on. The difference between loading smaller 25mm fast on automatic than automatic loading of 125mm in a tank. 200 rpm for 25mm vs 6-8 max max 125mm cannon. Bradley targeting systems were better.
The Bradley would fire 25 rounds in the time it took the T-72 to load one. The T-72 had to hit first or be killed by the 25mm
Wait so those kills are head on? Do you know if there was any after action inspection on the T-72 to specify the details of the damage? Was it more of a soft kill by achieving things like damaging optics?
@@nekomancer4641
Well if physics still work, smashing round after round of something hard into armour should induce metal being ripped off, fatigued and deformed.
Think of it like digging a pit: A big excavator can get deep enough with one big scoop, but with a shovel you'll get the same result eventually.
@@nekomancer4641the Iraqis had a bunch of T72 Urals (some moderernized others not) and T72Ms (export version w/ less armor). The original T72 Ural has a cast steel turret w/ no laminate armor (and welded steel hull) making it far more vulnerable than later variants (and the M variant had thinner armor).
The T72B has much thicker armor and uses composite armor and the turret especially has been uparmored so i wouldn't assume the Russian T72s will go down as easily.
Still, I wouldn't discount the benefits of shooting first and faster (but then again thats just bc i don't know anything about it)
I heard a story about how a couple of Bradley's took out a number of Iraqi T-72s with their Tow missiles.
@@petergerdes1094 front projection - yes, but not forget about rear and sides, even modern t-90m has such vulnerability, and no active protection or reactive armor could help (also you could search for btr-4 vs tank)
This didn't age well cuz the Bradleys are burning like paper under Russian firepower 😂😂😂
I see you're still ignoring the thousands of Russian BMPs that have been reduced to cheaply made paper weights 😂😂
@@codypierce2970he isn’t he just knows the Bradley’s didn’t do it the thing about war that scares me is no two first world countries have full on war these days and if that does happen I don’t think tanks can withstand each others hits so I think being faster and having a greater field of vision and being about to spot the enemies first is what military’s need in case of ww3
@@rayanalzahrani8756 No IFV is armored enough to take hits from mines and ATGMs that are designed to take out tanks so I'm going to call out any comment that acts like taking out a few Bradleys while ignoring all the BMPs on your side taken out by the same stuff is some great victory. The only time so far we've seen the Bradley and BMP go directly against each other was the Gulf War and Invasion of Iraq. And it didn't go well for the BMP
Sadly no. They in fact did not make a difference
With the sudden panic over heavy armor I think we can assume they're expecting a major offensive.
I think they are. Rumors indicate there would be a renewed offensive in Spring.
At 3:10, why is it the Chinese flag there? Have the Chinese suddenly joined the war?
Cause he has no idea what he is talking about? He really thinks they can "cut into supply lines" while their own is being nuked in bakhmut and soledar
@@antoniohagopian213 you heard about soldedar like a week ago chill with the dramatization
my error I missed that image mistake my bad, thanks for catching that. god help us I hope china doesnt join the war haha
@@dirt-kw7cy soldedar? It has been months that I knew about it since the bakhkut front started. You just can't take it when something doesn't go your way?
As a communication sergeant, I think this aspect gets overlooked. This vehicle can be in direct contact with artillery coms and bridges infantry unit operating within the same area. It’s advanced optics can identify targets for the following infantry at a greater distance giving those infantry leader the opportunity to better deploy to engage said target.
They really have to embrace the combined arms doctrine if they want to succeed with NATO equipment.
Sadly they are abandoning US military doctrine and blaming US tactics for not doing well on the counter offensive…. In reality they lack the training and understanding of the US military mindset of being extremely aggressive and throwing the whole dam kitchen sink. They lack the combined arms mentality.
yes it can make difference and the difference is it burns well in Ukrain.
They are only sending 50 outdated Bradleys. In Iraq we had about 2000 Bradleys supported by Abrams.
With such small numbers, likely without depleted uranium rounds, doubt they make much of a difference.
A small number of Polish upgraded T-72s made Kharkiv and Kherson possible.
The issue in Ukraine is they have a ton of resources spread very thin due to how big the frontline is. Not that much pressure is required to punch through when focusing it on a single point.
If it stays at 50 you are right. It won't do a whole lot. Hopefully though this is just the first wave. If Ukraine can get 500 with enough ammo by the summer they will be in position to take back a large amount of territory.
Love that this channel's infrastructure is growing.
Thank you for your hard work
Optics make this the perfect artillery spotting system. Put them at one per company or regiment to identify targets to be serviced.
The bradley is a good addition, but they need more of them. I think the optics will help immensely. My suspision is that just like in pretty much every part of the military, the US's electronics far outpaced what the Soviets could, and then the subsequent Russians, could bring to the table.
The Soviets would try to check boxes to get better chances of exporting their equipment, but the reality is that their ability to design and manufacture good electronics packages has, and remains, far behind what the US could/does field.
I was never in the military, but as someone with a degree in Russian/soviet history, I think people do not really understand how far behind the Soviet economy/military was when it comes to electronics. Anything that relied on microprocessors was either much harder to come by, worse than what the US had, and in all honesty, usually both worse and less available. The soviets were great at heavy industry, but terrible when it came to electronics.
The russians, having in herited mostly 80s soviet military equipment have tried to modernize it with more advanced electronics, with some success, but they don't have the same emphasis on optics, firecontrol systems, guided munitions, avionics, etc. that the US has, its simply not in Russian military culture, and combined with coruption, I think the bradley will be in a great position, even the older M2A2s, to dish out some serious pain.
The 50 sent so far might just be the initial batch! we'll have to wait to see. thats a great point that 50 feels like a drop in the bucket
It's also interesting to see how the USSR economy in the 60's was nearly equal to the US's, but when computers began to come into existence, the US pretty much catapulted ahead.
@@magnusbjarni If you needed someone to make tractors, the Soviets were a great option. They made rugged idiot proof equipment that was cheap to maintain and build, and the manufactured it endlessly. But they had odd, massive holes in their economy and their scientific community, including but not limited to semiconductor development and consumer/defense electronic development.
Totalitarian societies are just odd creatures. Extremely efficient in some way, horribly inefficient in others. One of my favorite books is "The Rise and Fall of T.D. Lysenko" by Medvedev. Medvedev shows how early in the soviet union, Stalin purged nearly every credible geneticist it had (and it had some of the best in the world) and ended up instead putting Lysenko in charge, and man who's perspective on genetics differed greatly from the west's near universal acceptance of mendelian genetics. Efforts that had previously been in place to breed high yield, cold resistant wheat, were shelved in favor of Lysenko's random theory of the month that would change over time. He was a charlatan that crippled soviet agrigulture for decades.
The Soviet's promoting of Lysenko lead to massive famines and horrific death and living conditions within the Soviet Union.
Its such an interesting thing to have happened, when you think about how the Soviets beat the US to space. How do you beat the US to space, and put a guy in charge of Soviet Biology who beleives in Lamarckism?!
@@Taskandpurpose Hopefully they send more, but even used just as mobile advanced optics and spotters those 50 could have a massive impact. If you have fewer artilery pieces and less ammo it sucks, but if you have GPS cordinates for all your targets, suddenly youve got a massive force multiplier.
@@magnusbjarni soviets had great scientists but struggled to convert advancements into applications in industry so they fell behind in too many areas
50 Brads allows for a full three company (14 vehicles in three platoon including a two vehicle command section) battalion ( with a Battalion command section of two Brads and a six vehicle Scout platoon). Keep them together and get more. A LOT more so that you threaten multiple axis with Bradley and Leopard/M-1 battalions and don't telegraph you move w/their presence.
The Leopard won't be there for months if ever..the UK has said they are sending Challenger tanks, those will be there for sure the Leopards are a pipe dream at this point.
Until the Ukrainians can receive western tanks and IFVs in large numbers, its probably best just to spread them out and use them as command vehicles to take charge of BMP platoons. Say for example one Bradley per 4 BMPs so that each platoon of BMPs has a Bradley to spot and direct their fire for them while using their cannon and TOWs for support fire.
Love this content... I appreciate the comprehensive explanation
Looks like it burns different than leo.
No they can’t, this did not age well
I knew nothing about this vehicle before this conflict. It seems like a great vehicle. Thanks for making this.
Thank you so much for these videos. You’ve gotta remind people how great Bradley is in this case.
That's cool that you can switch automatically between the types of ammo you want to use. That would come in handy.
Very good information! Thank you so much
An important thing is the main and most used rival ifv is the bmp, which the Bradley was created specifically to counter.
Pentagon Wars silly revisionist version notwithstanding.
The BMPs have proved pretty useless in Ukraine, as the Russians have lost a few hundred of them
Short answer: Yes, it can definitely make a difference. Real kicker is that the US are sending modern versions of it, and not old stock from the 80's like most other countries, hence it comes with modern armour, thermals and a stabilized gun. Hence why it's also important that when Leopard 2 tanks are finally approved for Ukraine, that they send some of the more modern ones. Sending old stock from the 80's won't have nearly same effect.
Wrong. The Bradley won’t do Jack. It’s outdated
@@Grant80 On the contrary its space age tech compared to a lot of what the Russians are fielding.
Hopefully they'll work well with the Challenger 2 main battle tanks the UK are sending. Although the Challenger 2 is the current UK fighting tank I'm not sure how old these particular ones are or their specs but will be fully NATO compatible so should work with the Bradley's data and target acquisition abilities to coordinate attacks.
@@hummingbird9149 isn't it an artillery war? So the bradleys are going to have a hard time avoiding all that? Didn't Ukraine have huge amounts of armour? Constantly asking for more, normally means they are running low.
I don't think 50 Bradley's are going to make much difference.
@@areweaskingtherightquestio1348 Because they need the armor to have more effective offensives. They're defending well, but their ultimate aim is to drive invaders completely out of Ukrainian territory. Ukraine is in a bit of a hurry since Russia is waiting for western military and political support to lose popularity, and in the meantime Ukrainian civilians are seeing higher and higher casualties.
Lmao @2:26 that little Bradley is trying so hard to get unstuck! It’s so cute. 🥺
Sweden and Finland will be giving the VERY advanced CV90 IFVs to Ukraine as well. With these advanced IFVs and the Ukrainian army's demonstrated initiative and inventiveness western armies will have the unique ability to see WHICH of these IFVs are best suited to modern warfare.
And what do you want to see ??? that you are outnumbered and have less munition, no air support ...
Finns cannot forgive themselves for the murder of Leningraders 1941-1944, the Finns and Germans starved more than 700,000 people in the city alone?
@@janfiedler5584 in what world are the ukranians outnumbered? no air support, yes, but russia also has close to zero air support on the battlefield.
@@janfiedler5584 Given the context of the comment, I'd assume he's looking forward to seeing knocked out Russian armor, an offensive into Zaporizhzhia, some impressive footage uploaded to the respective boards on reddit . . . obvious stuff, really.
@@BibEvgen Pray tell, just HOW were Finns involved in the siege of Leningrad?
The Ukrainian Bradley crew needs a trained gunner with at least two months of intensive training. The driver and commander can learn as they go in the theater by the U.S. advisor / trainers to get familiar with all the components in the M2A2 ODS. Along with maintenance in prepositioned areas with refueling and ammo resupply. Those first batch of 50 M2A2 ODS will become trainers to the rest of the following vehicles coming on the rails. Good luck Ukraine. (M3 gunner, ODS, 3 ACR)
Thank you for your service!
U do realise who is behind Ukraine ? It is Globalists, same once that is pushing for NWO.
Two months of intensive training, is that according to the procedures to train your dumb grunts in our Yankee army? Does that 2-month training also include teaching them English?
@@voloshingalina3248 All sides are corrupt and throughout history, kings and queens uses people to keep the kingdom or expand it with the lives of brave men and women when threatened from its border or seas. I know what the goal is that theses WEF have set , but you still have civilians and men sacrificed (UKR) to keep their agenda and power.
@@voloshingalina3248 BS
Love that Russian ambassador: " give up and reduce the horrible casualties you are causing by continuing the fight against us!" A close student of logic, that one.
Dude, 25 thousand soldiers of Ukraine were killed in one Soledar. Are you a fool or something? Ukraine has NO aviation, 380 planes and helicopters have already been destroyed, the Czech Republic and Poland transfer su25 to them. Every day, Russian aviation quietly takes off and destroys equipment and soldiers, without fear. Because the entire air defense system protects Kiev and Lviv. By the way, where are the bayraktars? They were destroyed back in July, 118 pieces. And the gas hub agreement with Turkey says that Turkey will stop supplying Bayraktar to Ukraine, and will terminate the contract for the construction of a plant on the territory of Ukraine. This means that Ukraine is losing 10 times more soldiers than Russia. Aviation decides dude.
You clearly have no logic if you see no sense in those words, you are simply a puppet.
The only main point he has right here... The US is mainly responsible for cooking up this war in the first place. Miss Nuland thought it all out for 2014... Without US meddling this entire conflict wouldn't have been in the first place. And the Crimea would still be Ukrainian.
Well, he's simply right. NATO fascism and their proxy Nazis ruind west Ukrain and its whole future meanwhile. Russia is no fan of that at all. They wanted the Nazis to stop the genocide in Donbass, that's all. Instead now west Ukraine is even more ruined than the Donbass, which will be rebuild, but the damage int he west is done by fascism, corruption and endless debt. You can't repair that. And all the dead young Ukrainian men and men in general will stay dead and with the millionsn who fled Ukraine, many of them taking their homeland with them, that's really not something an already poor nation which is now just a raped corpse, can endure.
You mean the near 500k casualties for Ukraine he pointed out?
Or when Von Der Leyen admitted 100k dead in her recent speech?
Ukraine is on their 10th mobilization and has public ally asked their embassies to force citizens to return so they can be drafted.
Truly the US expects them to fight to the last Ukrainian.
video aged like milk 🥛🥲
You aged like milk
Thanks. I learned a lot.
This vehicle is a kick-ass jack of all trades… which is what every outfit requires during skirmishes
The coordination ability is the strongest argument for NOT deploying the Bradley as one unit. Deploy 5-10 of them to a base. Use them for targeting. Relay the coordinates to the BMPs they are serving with, and let the BMPs and other systems do most of the shooting.
thats a great point, we'll have to wait and see what Ukraine chooses to do
That's a big negative there ghost rider, you are highly underestimating the power behind a Bradley. These vehicles will give Ukraine a huge advantage on the battlefield and retaking territories.
The BMPs do not have the necessary communication capabilities. And the BMP is an awfull fire platform.
Dude, the problem is that there are no deserts in Ukraine, there are forests and hilly terrain. TOW can wind up on a banal thick branch, even five-story houses and for which Javelins failed, missiles lost their target and crashed into houses. There are very few Javelin videos on CZcams. And Bradley is very expensive, heavy (30t weight). Ukraine wants to attack with Bradley without having repair bases behind its back, and with a shortage of ITS equipment. During the 11 months of the war, Ukraine lost 2,000 thousand tanks...
@Heros Stratos communication equipment would be a nice (essential) add-on to any of these systems being sent to the Ukrainians.
(My comment was more about how to use the few Bradley's than about any of the other systems in the Ukrainian military)
Great vid thanks!
I tend to agree the optics (and tow) are it's greatest advantage over what it will be facing.
It's still interesting that we have this, the first real cold war clash... some 30 years after it supose to happen. But still use largely the same heavy equipment that would have been avlible back then.
But significantly upgraded in almost every aspect.
@@jic1 that is true. But visually it looks very much like someone imagine a hot cold war in mid 80s
The laser rangefinder is pretty old tech already on AFVs. It works in tandem with the stabilized mount and the movement compensation and inclination mechanisms of the hull. However, the grid location sensors are newer and pretty cool. On MBTs, those are usually installed in the commander's periscope.
Grid location is on A3, if I am not wrong. They are saying that the 1988 A2 version is most likely being sent.
Old tech to us but to the Russians that laser rangefinder is pure science fiction.
@@havable Are you being serious or sarcastic?
@@voidtempering8700 both
@@rayhans7887 What is the serious aspect, because they have been putting laser rangefinders on tanks for over half a century. And the T-62s they are modernizing have a thermal sight.
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short answer: no