Why the Army’s Combat Headset is Unstoppable
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Developed by Microsoft it’s Based around their HoloLens 2 smart glasses headset technology. It’s now part of a roughly $400 million dollar defense contract with an upper limit of $22 billion dollars, so a lot is at stake with this device. What exactly is IVAS? According to the army it’s “a mixed reality heads-up display that integrates next generation situational awareness tools and high resolution simulations to provide soldiers with improved mobility and lethality during the day or at night.” So essentially It aims to replace your night vision goggles, communications, GPS and take over how you target enemy positions and run training simulations with your squad.
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How much does it weigh exactly? Todd South of the army times wrote an article stating the IVAS 1.0 version weighed a total of 3.4 pounds with 2.4 of those lbs being the most important part which is placed on the soldiers noggin. For context, I was surprised to learn that the ENVG-B also weighs about 2.5 lbs. But unlike that, this is something you’re wearing all day long. This suggests to me that it's possible the slimmed down 1.2 version of the goggles weigh even less so thats encouraging news.
And in fact, Right off the bat the first thing that jumps out to me about the initial images of the version 1.2 compared to the older variants, is the much improved lower profile smaller glasses. The first version in 2018 looked like cumbersome skii goggles and now they look like lighter weight hater blockers. I mean look at the original version, they look a little goofy. Looks like robocop 2014 when I want to look like robocop 1987. In all seriousness this new version is a big step up in addressing one of the biggest points of criticism that troops had who tested the first version, which was that it was uncomfortable and annoying to wear.
Sources:
DOT&E report on IVAS:
www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/p...
Inspector General Audit of IVAS:
media.defense.gov/2022/Apr/22...
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A yes I need $7,000 night vision goggles
AI is just like any child. it will learn from the parent. Hopeful, it won't learn war crimes or those soldiers will be responsible for creating Skynet.
I don't think anyone forgets that some of our technology comes from the military.
@@dtsai its not actually true AI though its more like a VI in that it can't learn new things unless its programmed to do so where as AI can learn by itself with out any human input needed
what if this system gets hacked?
"I'm lagging"
"My battery is dying"
"Getting frame drops"
"There's a hacker"
Finally I can use gamer excuses when I die irl
"Oh no, windows' bluescreened me again"
Yea....gee...WHAT could possibly go wrong? Is it grunt proof? Is it a field loss? what about turn in to the armory.....will it be a drama.....? Inquiring minds wanna know! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂So GLAD I am out!!
I can't respawn
"Why am I getting ads?"
Well, you already have tons of griefers.
Put 2.5 lbs on the front of the helmet to be worn all day and night, you say?
Hmmmmm.
The VA has reviewed your case and determined your chronic neck pain is not service related.
Lol I suspect as the tech progresses it will get small I mean look at radio sets used by the army they started off as a huge back pack and now they're no bigger than the Average smart phone
IVAS is now in version 1.2 and is much better than before, despite all the negative things that have happened to it in these last 4 years or so. I am surprised that the Government of the United States of North America is more concerned about UFOs than these inventions... they are all idiots in my opinion.
And how does that change the fact that until this technology is slimmed the government will f*ck peoples necks and refuse to treat them?@Matthew-is7zs
@@Matthew-is7zs This won't change how fragile glasses like these are.
100%. Zero doubt this will leave every soldier with chronic neck pain later in life.
Imagine getting ads during the heat of the battle, then running out of ammo it prompts "extra ammo is a paid DLC"
This is Microsoft not EA
These budget cuts are getting out of hand!
@@looseygoosey1349 so you get the blue screen of death instead of adds?
TROOP: SIRI!! SIRI CALL IN FIRE SUPPORT!! NOW!!”
SIRI: I’m sorry, I did not understand, please restate”.
TROOP: GOD DAMN IT WE’RE BEING OVERRUN!! DROP THE MUNITIONS NOW!! NOW!!
SIRI: Playing ‘Now Now Now’ by Cherry Poptarts
TROOP: ☠️
The military industrial complex has seen your comment and taken note and will unveil prototypes next maneuver conference.
I remember training at Ft. Sill and one night it was so dark that I couldnt see my hands. I felt someone was right in front of me and that feeling sucked so bad. Not knowing...not wanting to yell or give away my position or wake up the other soldiers if I opened up. That sucked, i would have loved to have the ability to detect movement or enemies more accurately. When I was in Afhanistan, I remember stumbling on myself when I used nods. I hated that it took me so long to familiarize myself with depth and I hated myself for not being faster. Enemy detection is essential for sure. So exciting to see technology improve. Thank you Vets and the new guys going out. Be safe out there.
If they don't make the Splinter Cell night vision goggle activation sound when they turn on, they're not worth it.
Bweeeeeeeeee 🟢👃🟢
Old night vision actually did make the sound
This needs WAY more likes.
@@bloodking73I had a friend that used to have a camera light that made the noise when he had the flash primed. It was super cool to hear.
Tisshhhhh shiiiiii vrrrr lol. It was firing up in my head. Bad ass lol
Future soldiers bout to have some strong ass necks
That’s where the exoskeleton comes into play lol
Either that or have scoliosis of the neck.
Exoskeletons is a future.
@alexincobra7379 your injuries are not service related
We will have hunch necked veterans. 😂
For a soldier on the ground to be able to instantly see through walls and around corners via a birds eye view from a drone is the biggest game changer ever. Additionally, for your commander to be able to see your exact position and situation, enabling him to select the most appropriate backup is equally as valuable…
I suppose there is a reason cheaters use that kind of hack in video games. Heh! Always a plus to know where your opponent is before he knows where you are!
GHOST RECON ADVANCED WAR FIGHTER... we already knew that in 2007
This exact style of Micro-management is why the Brits lost the revolutionary War and why warfare in general has sprinted away from such tactics.
We train pur privates to run fire teams because what happens when the team lead gets KIA...
They not backing you up they are protecting expensive military property attached to you head.
Your air support marking an enemy and you seeing that mark on your HUD in your goggles is an absolute warfighting dream. Ditto for the aircraft having information about all of your positions etc. Not even including how you could see routes of other units etc. The fog of war would get so absurdly diminished if not eliminated completely with newer gen versions.
Jamming and scrap code attacks will become way more common.
@@sidecharacter7165 They will. It's just the future.
No longer would the A-10 pilot have to confirm with a pair of binos outside of extreme circumstances.
@@sidecharacter7165 They already are.
@@sidecharacter7165Lmao scrap code? You've been reading too much Warhammer.
That's not a term used in cyber security.
Small operation budget in the future:
$500k on ammo
$2 mil on new drives to store data gathered
inflation will make that normal
4tb SD cards are coming next year.
The big issue is needing a 10 gigabit fiber connection to backup all the footage everyday in the field.
Inflation is a bitch
Tell that to the covenant
S-2 section: We're still watching footage of Bravo 2nd Platoon's mission to figure out who lost that DAGR, sir. From the POV of EVERY soldier in the convoy. We should be done shortly before deployment is over.
They will eventually fit these into Stormtrooper helmets and our soldiers will shoot just as accurately.
Thats okay as long as they don't face a wookie a space pirate and a Jedi 😂
These are not the Combat Goggles that you're looking for...
Would probably still be an improvement for some 😂
Actually working on that now. problem is, the thermal cameras and NV tubes are hella expensive.
@@Matthew-is7zs their helmets probably have a program that makes them miss every time they aim for a protagonist. They could aim accurately if it's someone wearing Mandalorian armor though.
Another Cappie in his element report. Thanks!
Thanks for watching good sir
@@Taskandpurpose Cappie, you make it easy!
I just love how he calls it "Visual Augmentation System" then immediately shows a stack of soldiers bumping into each other.
Depersonalization in the middle of combat
My friend you just described cyberpsychosis
Mike Pondsmith didn't write fiction. He wrote a prophetic warning.
You misspelled choom.
@@Atmatan_Kabbaher after all he said "Cyberpunk was a warning, not an aspiration."
Shadowrun hitting hard.
2 much chrome.
The guard won’t see this until the 40s
At least
Unless you mean 2140, you're absolutely wrong lol
Guard won't need them 😂
That was only like 60 years ago
@@regularperson7 80 years ago... youre old, man
I love that ArmA 3 made an appearance again at 19:25. Gotta love the MX series of rifles and the 3GL underslung, and the use of the MX Retexture mod is nice since it's a two tone instead of an ugly shade of tan.
For reference, IVAS comes from a mod in ArmA, not in the base game. you can also tell the screenshot is modded by the inculsion of an Elcn Specter DR (the vanilla ARCO is based on the Specter OS with a strange knob on the side that doesn't fit anything from Elcan), the uniform on the right not being a vanilla faction, different gloves on the NATO uniforms, and different vest arrangements from the vanilla NATO vests. If you look closely, the helmets look like they're from RHS as well given the helmet covers and the texturing being more fabric based while still being either OCP or MTP.
Cappy keepin it real and providing us some great content, as always. Thanks man.
The comparison between radio is pretty accurate. Early radio was bulky and degraded the individual soldiers capability to do war, but gave the group massive advantages. Eventually radios were shrunk and distributed to everyone without massive degradation of individual capability.
I see these smart sensor packs following the same trends. Give the gen 1-2 to a few trusted individuals in a squad. Eventually they'll give feedback and shrink and it will be better distributed without the negatives of early systems.
this is how i see it tbh
I think you're right. If every infantryman has a lighter, better set of these then you've got the best things about the F35 (network and sensor packages) on every front line soldier. Even if just a couple dudes are using rudimentary versions of these in each platoon, it would be as big as the radio. So it would be a silly military that doesn't invest in that. Will probably be huge for the evolution of tactics over the 21st century.
Agree. Even just avoiding friendly fire alone with blue force tracking could be worth every cent, it might be trying to do too much at first
Plus, only one person in the squad has a headache.
They didn't hang off your head, ruining your neck joints and cause brain tumors, though. Say that much for radios.
"Blue screen of Death" takes on a more literal meaning now.
All it will take is a small Emp blast to take out the headsets. This idea seems like a colossal waste of money.
@@dembones2560 Same can be said about current GPS, radios, drones, vehicles, aircraft, missiles, satellites and every other electrical equipment used by the military. It's why soldiers are still trained to navigate without GPS or what to do in the event of loss of communications. Thing is EMPs work both ways.
Saying something is pointless because there is a way to counter it is missing the reality of warfare. Since there is a counter to pretty much all military equipment, its just a case of using it at the right time and place. Eg Helicopters are not a waste just because MANPADS are a thing, same with drones and EMPs. If it was that easy to pull off you'd see it used much more often to take out AA or radars before an attack.
Oof
@@dembones2560there is a counter to everything, often very cheap too, for practically all technologies except the best of the best like the new bomber line of b-21 6th generation long range bombers.
Windows has encountered a war crime and has conveniently crashed before it can be streamed to your command. Take this as a timeout, press Ctrl+Alt+Del and get back to work.
Your final point is by far the most important. 1-3 of these per squad.
It's a TRADOC question - and that can affect smart engineering trade offs.
Big Army is taking an all or nothing approach, and it is obvious this technology is improving, but it is still a decade from ready for general infantry use. I get it. The Army wants to skip ahead to when every soldier can have one of these... but we are too far from that for practical engineering reasons.
We won't get where the Army wants to go without general exposure of these systems to all the different situations units encounter.
Regardless, I still think this remains a great research and development project. What most people see as problematic development I see as the Army actually sticking with a long term project.
Sometimes stuff NEEDS 20-40 years to build properly. We should not see that as a failure.
Personally I think this is only really useful for the SL. Everyone else might have the positional sensors from the blue force network EUDs, but really only the SL needs all the other information. Especially since the SL shouldn't be doing much if any fighting at all since his job is coordinating his fireteams.
Thank you sire, i am watching your videos from a long period of time. You cover great topics of IR.
I have a ton of experience with the HoloLens, am a former Airmen, insider with Microsoft, and demoed it to some national guard units back in 2016/2017 and really tried to push for an IVAS, as I saw the possibilities first hand for war fighters.
First, it's worth understanding that the Navy and Air Force have both procured HoloLens style devices for maintenance/training, I'd love to see an update there. The capabilities for aircraft maintenance are immense: an AI plus a SME can be pinged at any time to review my terrible safety wiring job and reprimand me for it. It can watch me do a tire change or refueling operation, ensuring compliance with technical orders.
A couple things: IVAS needs a specialized helmet, and in it's current form it's integrated into standard helmets, a terrible idea. The Army and Microsoft couldn't figure out they needed a partner like Team Wendy to come in. It needs to be integrated into a helmet that can be mixed with a gas mask and other PPE. You can't have all of your IVAS soldiers screwed because someone lit off a CS grenade.
Another problem was the controls, it took a while for Microsoft to figure out the control surfaces and joystick models that would be durable enough, and IMHO they still haven't nailed it.
IVAS is really best for training, as you can record a live combat operation and have new members of your unit spend time in training "replaying" the actual combat operation your team went through as a augmented reality recreation. Your leadership and unit can review all aspects of a combat operation - all you need is a dark aircraft hanger - the actual combatants mapped to AI reactions. Every new boot in the unit can witness in every battle the unit ever engaged in, even moving side by side with their team.
Giving every soldier an IVAS is unnecessary IMHO, it ought to be a specialist equipment for a new type of soldier focused on recon and electronic systems who embeds with combat infantry. The rest of the soldiers just have advanced combat optics and smart phones. In a future 2035 situation the soldiers won't need to fire their gun very often, they'll identify targets with their optics and drones and the actual targets will be engaged with tasked resources, such as a 40mm air burst smart ammo mounted on a walking drone 2km away, or an FPV drone with anti-tank munitions, or a JDAM.
Here's the thing, as someone who is both an engineer and who shoots regularly in matches (not military I know, but still something I feel is worth mentioning), I've desired (and have now taken advantage of it) AR goggles from engineering, but I've never desired it when shooting matches. I could see how these would be useful planning, 3d maps and models are fantastic, but I'd never want to wear one of these in a firefight.
Obviously these make sense and are probably outstanding in the realm of maintenance and repair
This is one of the most comprehensive summaries of this topic that I've read. Even this would be worth publishing somewhere. Many thanks for the insight.
So what happens if you're in combat, and explosion goes off nearby and scratches the lenses, rendering the entire thing useless?
Informative and interesting. Thank you.
This needs to be at the top. I have a lot of experience with HL2 and have never had a more frustrating piece of electronics in my entire life.
The Army wants to turn war into War Thunder Arcade Battles
@6:23 .. i differ that new eye cover is better... i guess eye cover will go back/near to 1.0 as human eye is a mechanical apparatus and it needs more realstate to put various information on board to classify/erect apart like class board u like larger board with aid info moved to borders and calculation at hand in center....this new glass cover is limiting/reducing mechanical eyes VS sight/side-view/glance area... maybe a 2 level glass cover to extend 2nd layer towards cheek could act as middle ground if not back to 1.0 but 2-level will cause hairline between 2 views and extra point of failure/stress ... so no matter how much field of view they are cranking (moving screen/glass closer to eyes) and no matter how much pixel density is jacked up .... going back closest to 1.0 glass cover/screen is better as eyes do mechanical scanning/viewing not AESA like viewing/scanning.
No, they want to play in arcade mode while everyone else is in realistic mode
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Been waiting to hear more about this
Missed your postings. Glad you're back.
This is eventually where the future of the infantry will arrive. When? No one knows for sure - but it will come. Unless of course.....
That's just a stepping stone on the way to the actual future of infantry - droid armies!
Did you see those dudes wearing them in broad daylight while stacking a door? They were bumping into each other when the front man stopped. 😂
High ping.
I noticed that too.
Lag, you're eyes are a second behind reality. Yeah, that's helpful.
AR would be better than VR
I saw it too,problably haven't been training with those for a while,practice doesn't make-PERFECT-but it makes you better.
IVAS, developed by Microsoft, expanding the meaning of; 'Blue Screen of Death'!
“My helmet crashed.”
-Pilot explaining why he crashed.
lmao
"DOH" smacks forehead
Bunch of Congressional members bought Microsoft stock before the deal was announced. Shocker a $22 billion dollar deal sent the stock price up
I actually look forward to version 2.0 of this. I think we will get there 👍🏼
I remember seeing shit like this on future weapons when I was in grade school, I turned 30 in December and things haven't changed much.
I feel bad for the soldier that has their goggles in a bag of rice hoping it will dry out and work before the enemy attacks.
😂😂😂😂
If they would fight Chinese then it might reveal their position to enemy as well
Funny but im sure its water and dust proof
Can’t wait for the enemy to hack my goggles search history, and the VA to tell me my neck pain is not service related.
Being a data farm for the terminator that’s going to take your job security is fun and all, but are they at least gonna give us our own Cortana? If I’m puking up my pizza MRE from nausea and popping midol for my special eyes, I wanna feel like a super soldier.
This is a hilariously wicked comment.
Give us waifus then
This was hilarious lmao
The woke AI will be probably be named Kurt/Anna.
Only if the exosuit has that "special" piece of equipment.
Thx for heads up no pun intended lol. I was a Grunt 11M 11H 11B in the 90s ODS and things have changed so much it’s like watching Star Wars storm trooper Grunts now lol
The "artist's depiction" at 9:22 really brings to life the sort of possibilities this kit brings to reality... And it's the first time that something like this truly starts to make sense to me, as now I can finally see the added benefit of such a system. In integrating the sensor data from an entire unit into the information projected onto each trooper's display, everyone's situational awareness increases exponentially, instantly laying out all sorts of vital information in neat, color- and symbol-coded icons, in ways never before possible. This includes some information which was either never before available, or wasn't able to be properly integrated into existing data display solutions. Before this video, I was leaning comfortably in the direction of "Ehhhh, no, not really, skip this one Uncle Sam, and save your (OUR) money for now." However, your video was thoughtfully assembled and virtually overflowing with meaningful information, and it has had the effect of swaying me into the opposite direction... I now lean towards "I think this might be worth the investment -- let's continue small-scale testing and evaluation, push the mfg to work out any kinks, or incorporate any added functionality needed or modifications to the existing form factor or functions, and if all works out and looks good after the next 12-18 months, let's reconvene and put up for consideration a large volume acquisition."
I recall that in the 1970s, the Big Army new Computerized Fire Control System for Artillery was being deployed. It was a Turd that needed to be carried in a Separate Vehicle with extra Manpower to make it work.
Some National Guard Unit embarrassed the Crap out of Big Army by using hand held Texas Instruments Portable Calculators and getting BETTER results down range than Big Army.
Like the Marines that duped that AI thermal night vision blah blah thing with a cardboard box lol. I think it was the fat electrician that has that video
Ya it was millions of wasted dollars by DARPA to be beaten by some Marines with a box😂😂
At some point the theoretical potential of getting an arty round off 0.1 second faster and shaving off an extra meter or two off of the target area just isn't worth the hassle.
Had some idiot officer at 10th mounting saying how great the gps guided mortar round are.
Sir, if I have weather data (met data) I can put a round within 1 meter of center the grid 90% of the time. First round.
The army has know for more then 30 years and has a system (never fielded) that gives you the first layer met data at point of fire.
Which is 90% of the error in a mortar round.
@@mikejohnson-wb9vm Marines were not even thinking "outside the box"... Sempri fi
AR headsets would make more sense for vehicle crews, like a cheaper version of the F-35's sensor fusion headset for all the non-F-35 vehicles out there, and the constraints of weight and power would be much lower since the vehicle can carry most of the hardware it rather than a person. This would also give Army a "crawl-walk-run" progression of adapting the tech from F-35 to other vehicles _and then_ to infantry, rather than jumping straight to the much larger hurdle miniaturizing it enough to fit on infantry.
All the next gen tank proposals over the last several years have had them. Only real issue is all those nice pristine lenses will be pretty tough to keep working and I fully expect drones to start dropping paint ballons😂
This guy making sense
I feel like 95% of these functions, can be achieved with a smart scope and a smartphone.
I have a feeling their best place is at the training ground, and maybe one mask per group.
For real - when I look at IVAS, all I see is a man-portable version of the EyeSight system in my new Subaru, lol
@@jamesbridges7750 they don't really work well in medium to heavy rain either, at least according to the EyeSight system in my Subaru
The fact always gets to me that the future that was displayed to me in my childhood in movies and video games is quickly becoming a reality. And even though I'm still very young, sometimes i feel like somebody from the past frozen in time and then placed into a near future dystopia, and as the recent years pass its only getting crazier and crazier.
Great, really enjoyed this discussion/presentation. I agree that for starters the device can be limited to one or two users per platoon/company, like NVGs were in the beginning. Like many other infantry technologies (NVGs, radios, automatic weapons, etc.) - augmented reality is probably inevitable. Just a matter of when it is universalized, and what the final product is.
Maybe the tech isn't quite there yet, but an AR goggle system for soldiers is absolutely without a doubt going to be a thing. Probably just SF-type guys will get it first, but I think every soldier will eventually. The benefits of it are just countless.
tried that bitch out at capstone 4. thing is so fucking heavy. only had it on for about 15 minutes and when i took the ACH that had it attached to it off it felt like i had been wearing my opscore with ALL my attachments on it nods included for an entire night of missions. definitely needs a lot more work if they really want to integrate it into regular infantry units. thank god socom doesn't have any interest in these things otherwise i'd have my team doing entire morning pt neck exercises to turn their necks into rocks.
great to hear from someone who actually used it! did you find the information on it distracting? we're you using the XM7 with it? I would have about a million questions for anyone who is familiar with the device if they want to email me capelluto@taskandpurpose.com
Would it have been better shoulder mounted, and then bring it up so the weight is mostly on the shoulders ?
Those soldiers stacking up at 16 seconds and bumping into each other like the 3 stooges shows how well they can see
Outstanding Video!
Great summary in the topic of furure Warfare.
Or at least, in my opinion it‘s the future. There is so much potential but also danger waiting around the corner.
Just thinking further with jamming/EMP technology or misuse of all the information collected.
Awareness is the key to success.
Stay strong and keep up the great work.
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Big brained comment. Love it. -the smooth brain.
:( . We are such a primitive species. We are in awe of ourselves because all we have to compare our species to are..... other mammals.... but we are puny arrogant creatures that are still on the monkey side of the spectrum and surprisingly, with our "unique" sense of self-awareness, we act like savages without empathy nor compassion, fully understanding the suffering and pain being lived by another one of us. It is as simple as realizing that the lines dividing us are imaginary and that language and culture get in the way of real, collective progress.
@@bafa000 No. Borders, language barriers, and culture are the entire reason why we have evolved. Dividing up our species into multiple groups gives humanity redundancy and allows us to learn from the failures and successes of other civilizations. It also allows us to adapt better to emergencies as you don't need collective agreement before action is taken, each individual nation can do what they think is best regardless of the interests of others. See how international organizations take decades to respond to issues while contracted companies by a government can solve the problem within months.
For example the movement for open borders and the injection of refugees from poor regions into rich nations have only resulted in a devolution of rich nations into violent and poor countries. It didn't result in saving people, it made more people worse off.
Given the fact I have seen no pictures in the last year or two with deployed troops using them, I figured something was wrong/not ready for prime-time.
It can't be that different from other devices and those are still niche. I can't imagine these being ready to replace other technologies any more than the Vision Pro is for computers or gaming consoles. But once the tech is out the developers will have a platform to fuck around with and will probably make it better. Maybe it'll get good enough for full time use.
@@rorschach775 It's ready for prime time in specific fields like Maintenance, but not field infantry uses. The underlying platform of "Windows Mixed Reality" has actually been abandoned by Microsoft, and the visionary executive who created all of it (Alex Kipman) was fired a couple years ago.
One of the reasons Windows Mixed Reality didn't take off is because the developer ecosystem never took off because you needed two different types of developer expertise: Unity + .NET. People interested in both game development and enterprise business applications. So the software platform is really lacking.
Meanwhile the hardware developed is genuinely spectacular. Microsoft developed an entire new series of microchips for the spatial computing. HoloLens ability to record 3D spaces was crazy, down to 2mm to 6mm of precision everywhere you go and look. This was possible things to a new software system of mapping 3D spaces uses 3-point triangles as the polygon making 3D maps smaller in file size. Genuinely amazing hardware.
The whole system is basically killed at Microsoft though.
The army has been chasing something like this since the late 80s. I'm guessing this would be more likely used by a platoon commander and each soldier would get some type of ffid thing
Measureing the outcome over the hand fed media propaganda is always wise.
I see you are a man of culture and refined taste, poppin' that Eddy Burback clip in there.
I really like the phosphorus outlined goggles. It gives a good visual of the battlefield.
Love how the stack bunches up and pushes the lead man out of cover and into the open.
Yep, that front domino is gonna be the first to fall. ;)
It needs a lot of work, but if it was light and subtle enough with full integration to things like drones and all sorts of other information, it's a gamechanger
Basically if it were like an actual pair of ski goggles that connects down your back to a computer unit. It would be fantastic and completely I feasible until we got to a compact light based computing system.
It will be great. The Radioelectronic Combat units will love their data flow. Artillery units usually have a hard time targeting squads.
So my Dad. who was a Coast Guard H-52 pilot hated using nods, mostly because of decreased depth perception. Ten years later, I became a Coast Guard flight mech, loved my nods. Can't remember if I received any training but do remember tweaking them to my needs. Night vision is the shizzle...
I've always thought the problem is- the current helmet (ach) AND the device itself. It just needs to be a screen that can be raised up. The helmet needs to be redesigned to have sensors/cameras that sends info to a lightweight screen or even... not some extra piece to wear/add.
The ACH is the "problem".
Yeah, and it can't be worn with a gas mask. Microsoft and DoD needed to partner with Team Wendy (or another helmet maker) to develop a new mounting solution. One that offers ballistic protection and one that is for training purposes.
Its the IHPS now and that helmet is inferior to the ACH/ECH.
@nanzistnt2573 I didn't realize it was that helmet. Thanks for letting me know! Either.way I think it should be one modular helmet instead of trying to make two things marry up. Power supply should not be on head. Cpu should not be on head. Just sensors, speaker/mic, and a flip/roll away display.screen.
@@blindsey8234 I wonder if they were trying to balance how front heavy the units were. One trick people use for neck strain is to at least balance front/back weight.
The way the Hololens works too makes it tricky to size and I assume position in front of the face, since it is a really fancy projector shining light into your eye (so it needs room in front of the face). This isn't a 2d overlay, this is images in 3d space along with the actual physical stuff in 3d space in front of you (no reprojection)
One other thing is color, you can't project black color. It is very interesting tech which afaik sounded dead end when I listened to light engineers that worked on it for hololens 2 release, there is a physics limit for angle they can project into your eye (so FOV), which idk if they've figured out a way to overcome yet.
I want to buy one still, but 3k new and they don't seem interested in consumers buying them yet, its been out for years and years.
These aren’t meant to be deployed, it’s a technology demonstrator. They know they need to make it smaller, lighter, and more accessible. The good thing is that IVAS is on the right track, they just have to have more time to get the miniaturization of the components right for it to be light enough to use.
Clearly these models are still just in testing and developers will continue increasing functionality and shedding weight wherever possible. They most certainly will be deployed some day once the functionality is there though. At least with specialized teams or individuals in each squad. There is way too much potential for access to huge amounts of information that can be quickly shared on a wide scale. These things would be a recon/JTAC wet dream for the military if done right.
Reason why "at time of new stuff" issue has so much "hate it" from the troops is usually the new stuff does suck that bad except in very narrow circumstances.
But if it useful and does work, it will be refined till desired specs. are met and then goes into common use.
You nailed what I think is the biggest push for this type of technology: battlefield awareness at base.
I hope some naval commander doesn't get photographed wearing them backwards
Smh
So I think there are a few clear ways forward.
1. The simplest is to update hardware. These are still in development which means that a new hardware revision could benefit the platform greatly. It is based on the hololens 2 which came out in 2019 and used the snapdragon 850. This is a chip that is on 10nm compared to todays top of the line 3nm. Even if the biggest gains are in battery life that would not be insignificant in a device with these demands. If microsoft were to do an update to the new Snapdragon X Elite this thing could gain a lot of performance while keeping the power consumption in check. That performance could be used to address some of the usability issues or it could simply be used to lower clock speeds saving power.
2. Full Helmet integration. Currently they are simply bolting the device onto the helmet which is necessary but once the device is determined ready this could be completely integrated into the helmet which could really help fix a lot of the ergonomic and even some of the weight issues of the device.
I really do think that this is worth pursuing even if it doesn't get adopted right away. The army spent 9B on a new scout helicopter before cancelling it. A few hundred million on this seems very worth it especially since it could be used to replace other platforms like that scout helicopter when paired with a drone. This line of development seems worth pursuing. I feel the biggest issue they are facing at this point is the need to build out all of the capabilities they are trying for. The hardware can be relatively easily updated. It is the software that will take years to develop and refine. It isn't like they can simply grab existing commercial software for most of this stuff. This all has to be built from scratch.
Here's my thought: It's likely nigh-on useless in the kind of conflicts that the United States has seen within the last 30 years. Better targeting? Sensor fusion? What useless gimmicks when all you're doing is sending Hellfires onto insurgent heads -- it's impossible to justify the weight and bulk to an infantryman whose main job is to walk patrols and engage in small-scale firefights. And that's the bulk of the institutional experience that the US Army has right now. But it should scare the shit out of near-peer enemies, because having each infantryman in a battalion be a networked sensor node is the US Air Force's wet dream.
It might be that ultimately the cost to equip every single infantryman in the US Army is too high -- or might not -- but ultimately I'd bet you that each squad leader and/or radioman ends up with one.
@@briancong12345 Yeah not every soldier necessarily needs one though it could potentially allow for better noise discipline between users. I get what you mean that against someone that we already handily beat in tech it isn't going to change how they fight. The better targeting shouldn't be overlooked though. The m4 with iron sights is only accurate out to about 500m. With new weapons systems like this and the new rifle and scope the army is coming out with we may be able to extend that out 50-100% thank to the more powerful round and better optics. That can be very meaningful in a fight if you can engage the enemy 500m before they can start shooting at you.
does nobody remember that super small mini reconnaissance drone thingy that was super expensive, but super useful as well, I mean, they could definitely integrate this with that and situational awareness would just skyrocket.
It's amazing that so much of this is publicly available and open to citizen debate. People love to hate on the American system and the military-industrial complex, but I often see people doing the best that they can.
Train up a unit on this new tech and then set up FTX doing opposition of that unit to currently main stream outfitted unit. If one wipes the field with the other.... My experience is so old it was the XM-1 I saw at Ft. Knox. But after seeing how it worked in an exercise/demonstration it was good knowing they were on my side...
Funnily enough i did my University Thesis on Mixed reality tech, its future and current situation/feasibility from industrial trials linked to the thesis. This shit is gonna be wild.
Imagine having a backup camera/rearview mirror with night vision built into your eyepro. That would be insane. Add in a laser designator/rangefinder and you can send GPS coordinates and designate targets. the ability to build a battle map from live video is game changing.
I'm all for it. The benefits, with incremental improvements to the device, will far outweigh the cons of adopting the technology. I'd say the situational awareness it can offer in troop transport vehicles alone brings great potential to troop readiness for a combat situation.
There probably some corrupt general who is a stock investor of the company and future employee that is pushing this so hard without majority positive feedback from test and soldiers.
To be fair, if the tech is promising, and it looks somewhat to be, it could be similar to a lot of army programs, where for now it’s useless but in 10-20 years the tech developed is now to be better used.
A bit wasteful? Yes. But if you don’t stick with and try to develop tech well Tanks in WW1 weren’t great either until you got a few marks in.
Meh, pretty sure it's the opposite actually with congress critters clinging to the envg-b because it's from L3. Lot's of positive feedback on IVAS, but the negatives are being highlighted for L3's benefit.
The big problem with VR goggle as well as these is that, while normally we are focusing our eyes on various objects near and far, and our eyes are constantly changing focus, in goggles, we're focused on the displays, just a short distance from our eyes, and stuck at that focus constantly. Our eyes aren't built to stay in one focus for a long time period. It's like RSA. Hold a pencil in your hand, gripped to the palm by all 5 fingers, without changing for over an hour and see how your hand feels. I don't know about you, but my hands go numb after about 15 minutes. Your eyes have the same issue. We're human. We're meant to be constantly in motion. This isn't natural.
Wait, is it a VR screen or an AR lense? What even is "mixed reaIity"?
I would wager that the display is focused at infinity, meaning for the image projected to come into focus, you'd have to focus your eyes to long distance. That is how all aircraft HUDs work.
@@V1489Cygnimixed reality is the same thing as AR, what you see outside mixed with what the computer displays.
my eyes never got strained or tired using VR, idk what ur talking about
Sure, but the thing is. Training matters. Like they are going to need significantly more training to get the benefits out of it. You can get use to it.
They are sticking a glider pilot into a cockpit with HUD, and such, and expecting them to do better with little training it seems.
You gotta be careful of information overload.
Give them the best NGVG/Thermals. Magnifying abilities. The advanced sound that filters and amplifies. With the ability to use a camera mode connected to the gun to shoot around corners.
Oh, and that new technology that gives you a spot to aim so you don't have to calculate ballistics when shooting. The auto aim scope.
Basically priority is to 1 identify enemies, and first shot capabilities above all.
I love the start of your clip where 4 soldiers are bumping into each other while wearing these giant things. Lol.
20 years ago, while in the infantry at NTC, I created a full suite of systems like this that used OTS technologies. I tried to get the leadership to buy off on it, but nobody cared, and I wasn't a defense contractor that could sell it from the top down. The #1 issue with all these systems is they are not designed by the infantry themselves, so they are often out of touch with what is really needed.
Fine, fine fine episode cap
Bro had to be going for a slam on the Navy with looking through nods during the day and posing with so sight picture in the ad spot
I envisioned this augmented reality technology 32 years ago, when I was 13. It still has not lived up to my original vision, but it's getting close. My design would have allowed you to alter anything you see and hear, and also give haptic feedback for objects that didn't really exist outside of the augmented space. I was aiming for a real-world solution to Star Trek TNG's holodeck technology. We didn't have the computing power to accomplish this 30 years ago, but we're ready now. Manufacturers just need to realize the full potential of this technology.
First thing I thought of when I saw this headset is how this would give someone the ultimate advantage if they had a swarm of drones creating a real-time panorama of the battlefield ahead. Just hope it doesn't glitch and overlap the textures right where an enemy is hiding.
9:35 like a helldiver 🦅🇺🇲🦅🔥
For democracy !
@@TaskandpurposeT&P plays helldivers 2 confirmed. This is a big win
You present some of the best journalism on the politics of the U.S. military I have seen anywhere.
One of the strengths of the U.S. military is the feedback loop that exists between the Field Soldiers and The Brass upstairs. Most militaries in the world would state, 'this is the latest tech; get used to it.' The U.S. military works with 'The Grunts' in the field making it one of the more effective militaries in the world.
This is the latest iteration of a soldier's HUD. One of the things you can pretty much guarantee with the U.S. military is they will keep bashing away at it until it works - all while under close public scrutiny. As it should be.
and that's also why the us military is spending so long on this project. they want to make sure it's done right.
I can definitely see thermal NVG overlay glasses being pretty useful for standard infantry in the future when the tech can be the size of sunglasses.
Army Engineers had a solution for this problem for decades now. It's called, "We own the night, there is no night." Flares, high-power lights and fire superiority turns night into day and keeps us advancing.
Within 17 minutes when this has 2,6k views
Edit: definitely one of the best videos from this channel
In UKR vs RUS conflict, if you pull out your phone or even don't keep it in a blackout case, you're toast. This silly goggle is a headshot beacon with all the IR and camera lenses.
Good, let China get the tech.
thats what I left in the comments. I don't know about ukr v rus, but there was lots of stories about phone scanners in ghanny and iraq.
if the RF goes out 100 feet and there is a relay station to satellite, then it would make only slightly more sense.
Having a view outside of your APC looks pretty dope!
1:44 🤣
A little tip, if you remove the safety caps you might be able to see something
0:15 Watching those guys bump into each other when trying to stack up for a breach shows one everything needed to know if the concept is ready to be used in that manner. Nope.
that seems to be a them thing and not a goggle thing, like a wave of braking cars on the highway
@@ASlickNamedPimpback-Can’t ever be 100% sure about anything you see on the internet but it looks to me like they have suffered some decrement in perception. Though each looking at the back of the man in front of him they bumped into each other as if they were distracted or their vision was impaired or distorted. Hazarding a guess, it seems the visual field is narrowed reducing those cues from peripheral vision (both vertical and horizontal) that we often use to navigate movement, usually unconsciously.
This absolutely will not get widespread use. It’s too big of a technological jump. Every time the military tries out tech that is way beyond what we currently have, it is never adopted. The positives just don’t out way the negatives, cost etc.
now big jumps for existing tech does happen. But the majority of the military doesn’t use NVGs now, so giving AR goggles to infantry isn’t going to happen anytime soon, in my opinion
There seems to be a universal constraint provided by the universes that any animal that fights is to continue doing it like an animal.
Our tech is only allowed to evolve so far before it eventually causes us to regress into our immaturity.
those nvg's work even better with the caps off...
Great! Another great big reflective surface to give away your position from hundreds of meters. Will there be a killflash?
Awesome content as always.
You know he’s talking to us infantrymen when he explains what a heads up display is😂
Ps we’re looking more and more like stormtroopers 😂
I've tested the German iteration of the land warrior system 10 years ago and I have to say that it was great.
Now that I'm a civilian and being an apprentice in the IT industry I went to school today and we had a topic in class called "change management"
There are different kinds of people who you can put into 4 categories when it comes to change something.
The resistor
The promoter
The braker
The sceptic
In English there are known 2 types:
The change agent
The change resistor
I completely understand the struggles the infantry has in the tests, I've done the same exact thing. And what I've learned about is this:
If you accept it, and you know how to handle the tech it's a force multiplier like you can't even imagine.
If you resist it, you will lose performance.
This applies to all levels of warfare.
It's like an IQ test, which you can do up to 30% better or worse depending on your personal motivation.
Even one guy in that testing platoon that got there, instead of getting deployed with his buddies to a warzone can seriously impact the result on the negative side.
If you CAN handle that tech and you WANT to use it, it's crazy effective.
The conclusion we came up with back in the day was:
Only give this system to the guys who WANT it and are fluent in it's usage, one or two guys per squad can give you a huge advantage on the ground.
Spotting enemy reinforcements moving to their firing position and to mark that and send it to the CAS/Artillery support is enough to turn around the outcome of the day and sending less men home in a coffin.
I did NOT expect a Eddy Burback shout out. Wild
One important silver lining here is that it will mean that you can now blame lag for failing a mission objective. Infantry units and COD lobbies are getting closer and closer every day.
Eye strain thinking about it
As a forward observer I could imagine the beautiful orchestra of death you could cause with some augmented reality goggles with some kick ass thermals.
The flip up for mk1 eyeballs feature is prob the best part
With any goggles, there will be a loss of peripheral vision. Notice how those guys were swinging their heads around. I foresee more neck stress injuries being reported. More importantly, without being able to see things out of the corner of your eye, there is more chance of life threats to the soldier.
Helldivers getting a shout out! Lets go!!!
As if it needs it
@@Atmatan_Kabbaher Treasonous language!
@@michaelkopyscianski2312 I literally don't play that game and I can't stop hearing about it.
Anyone ever says helldiver's is underrated they can probably get fed to a bug.
Regarding the EMF note under survivability, I think this is less about hackers and more about their active emissions visibility to an enemy. If your rifle and digital radio are constantly streaming data over the air, any ground enemy with line of sight to American positions will be able to see that position from some distance. An enemy with airborne EW capabilities may also be able to see that cloud of EMR depending on the strength of the emissions. Fighting less sophisticated enemies, this will likely pose no issue however opponents like Russia or China I think would be able to take very strategic advantage of American soldiers broadcasting their positions in real time.
now the era of drones would be cool where there are Drones on power pads to recharge and land and helmets to activate and destinate confrontations to fire High velocity rounds and can blow up packed with a C4 to blow up light/heavy weight vehicles with explosive shelling of some sort to melt vehicles.
if the helmet no longer needs to be open on for the face because there's a display inside the helmet you could offer 360° protective armor.
Pretty much every military is moving away from armor and focusing on range/mobility. When an individual soldier can carry by hand a weapon that defeats even tanks/aircraft, no amount of armor is going to make it worth it to have a slow, energy/fuel dependent soldier who's worthless as soon as something gets damaged.
@@Stealth86651 Most of casualties in near peer conflicts comes from artillery. Artillery produces a lot of shrapnel. Very small piece hitting your eye or cheek with relatively low energy (even compared to .22) can easily take you out of combat for at least days, and even for life, or simply take life.
A******! You made me spit out my coffee when you made the Boeing comment.
In that list by the Gov for projects ... notice: SOCOM Armed Overwatch: Which is basically a freaking cropduster prop plane refitted for CAS. Amazing IMO.
a mapping overlay of the infrared minefieldmap that goes on for 10 km... useful
Seems like ATACK on a government smart phone can do this, but at a fraction of the cost. Also having an ATACK system on your person is a lot more manageable. Especially if you need to buddy rush or skull drag.
Rokid airs on a smartphone running atak is quite literally everything this platform hopes to do.
Once again, the greatest military in the world proves it's a joke by hiring out garbage contracts at every opportunity.
This system has great potential. Now soldiers can record their TikToks of their warcrimes hands free!
damnit looking further in the vid, this joke is already made... bummer
@@sebas.rozmary 😂
Feels like right now they should actually turn this into full back back unit and massively increase its capabilities and assign a tech soldier to each platoon. Combine it with several those tiny drones, super basic, lightweight heads up displays for standard soldiers that get basic information streamed to it from the tech soldiers unit.