Israel's Anti-Air Defense, Everything You Need to Know
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Former Iron Dome combat soldier here, participated in the 2014 operation. Some minor inaccuracies that I can't correct for obvious reasons but I'm quite impressed with the work you did here. It certainly lends more credibility to the rest of your content as far as I'm concerned, keep it up =]
Thank you fro your service soldier.
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Do you guys use a phalanx CIWS type system with the iron dome? (That’s what the U.S navy uses as a last resort, just a radar controlled 20mm Vulcan cannon.) I feel like it would be cheaper than a iron dome missile..
@@forfun6273the CIWS has an effective range of under a mile so it is only relevant for point defence. An Iron Dome battery is often deployed more than a mile outside the residential area it protects, and is not a target in and of itself (mostly because Garad style rockets are not accurate enough to target anything smaller than a civilian population center), so it does not need point defence.
@@guss77 ok that makes sense. I’m just thinking how sustainable is it when they’re spending like $300 to make a rocket out of fertilizer and sugar. I know you guys are working on the Iron Beam. But I’m not so sure the technology is there yet for that. I wonder if the Iron Dome radar battery can get so good that the missiles can go without their own targeting system. Then the price of the rocket would go down a lot. Sure it would be susceptible to jamming but my understanding is it’s not really going after high tech targets. Maybe it would be better to put a 100kw laser on every tall building that connects to a main radar and targeting system.
I always have a slight problem with trying to compare the cost of an interceptor to the cost of the missile you're trying to shoot down. I think you have to calculate more than just the cost of that hostile missile, you need to figure in the cost of it's target too. And if human lives are at risk, which is their whole point, what price do we place on the human life we're trying to protect? It's always more complicated than just the cost of the interceptor vs. the cost of the hostile missile.
It atleast fights the stereotype of being penny pinchers effectively!
Life is cheap over there so is not a big margin
Once you start thinking of lives in terms of currency, it gets dark quick.
Well when people talk about the difference between interceptor and attack munition the point their making is "They can get more pretty easily but the thing that we use to stop it is expensive so theirs a danger there of running out" the whole point is there is a concern that the muslims will deplete the missile defenses if isreal as you pointed out putting human lives at risk thats another reason why isreal should just level gaza and hamas
Unfortunately saying lives are priceless doesn't actually help in the actual monetary logistics of two nations battling each other where it's actually resources being spent.
i live close by to an iron dome battery, every time theres a siren about 20-30 sec after that you can hear the iron dome launch, sometimes u dont because theyre aimed at the sea or what not, and sometimes theres still missiles landing (happened earlier this day a few blocks from here, 4 injured)
you live in ashkelon? i heard something about hamas infiltration a couple days ago in ashkelon. stay safe.
@@TiocfaidhArLa34 tel aviv, probably the safest place in the country but its getting here too (the missiles)
@@noammkw3770 oh ok. when you said that the missiles were missing and hitting the sea it made me think you were in ashkelon. ashkelon has been getting absolutely bombarded lately. if it weren't for the iron dome, countless civilians would be dead. I'm hoping that the IDF can end this conflict sooner rather than later. it must be terrifying for the soldiers sent into the strip right now.
Nice report missing two critical things.
Israel mandated safe rooms in all new buildings over 25 years ago. Even with Iron Dome working overhead we run to these and they have saved many lives.
The precise warnings which carefully alert only the right areas are absolutely essential. We really do trust these and I can't remember a significant failure.
I heard and saw the trails from the first interceptions over Tel Aviv.
They kept the interceptor price down by using regular aluminium pipes from the local hardware store instead of aviation grade aluminum which is much more expensive, because short range rockets don't get high enough to justify it.
it strikes birds too
@@zukhilmie7867 birds are just mass surveillance drones deployed by the government anyways. birds went extinct long ago along with the dinosaurs, the birds you see today are all government operated drones.
@@zukhilmie7867What are you trying to say? I struggle to understand where you have birds in this context or did you want to comment on the video itself and not as a reply?
More the lack of speed and having no dynamic steering inputs, than the height, I would have thought.
@@johnnunn8688 not really.
Regular domestic aluminium actually boils above a certain altitude. I think there are actually videos of it here on CZcams.
Short range rockets just don't get that high so there was no point in making interceptors that exceeded it.
It seems like Rafael's claim of "90% effective" is being calculated by including all of the rockets that Iron Dome correctly identified as non-threatening as one it was effective against. That's useful information for operators since you want to know if it isn't wasting ammo. But what I think most of us really want to know is how consistently it shoots down the ones it does decide to fire at.
Right, the key metric is "effectiveness per engagement". If identified non-threats are as large as the numbers Cappy listed, that skews the percentage significantly.
I'd REALLY like to see a good analysis of the accuracy of rockets/missiles launched by Hamas and Hezbollah - if Iron Dome classifies, say only 20% as actual threats to land in a populated area, that definitely changes the economic balance to a degree.
it is calculated for engaged threats.. it is also clear from the number of actual impacts in civilian areas - thousands of rockets fired and only a handful of impacts in a very densly populated country (much more then 20% would have fallen on populated areas).. and i wouldnt diregard the missiles that Hamas fires especially the longer range - those are more capable missiles with up to 100 pounds of explosives..
No, that’s not true.
The metric by Rafael is the percentage of rockets actually were shot down out of the ones that were actually targeted.
Meaning - if 100 rockets were fired and 40 of them could have reached populated areas or other areas of interest (like military installations etc), but only 4 actually reached these areas - then the effectiveness is 90%.
And btw, IMO the real rate should be 96% in this case, since the algorithm to determine whether a rocket should be engaged is a necessary part of the whole system, the non covered areas are also “targeted” by the system in a way, just not using kinetic power, but rather using compute power.
Correct. You dont need to use your missile defence system to shoot down something that isnt theatening. Looking at U Saudi Arabia, shooting down 250 dollar drones with a 2 million dollar missile.
But its excluding those rockets. The 75% interception rate includes them because they wherent interceptet.
In addition to that: Normaly they shoot 2 misiles per target if the situation allowes.
16:40 The skew in the number comes from the high unreliability of the improvise rockets. Many fail to ignite, others explode on the launchpads, others never get any altitude, and others randomly turn without leaving Gaza.
A recent case veering into one of their own hospitals, then blaming Israel for it.
facts@@doujinflip
@@doujinflip roughly 1 in 10 rockets fired by the PIJ or Hamas malfunction and land back in Gaza. Hamas, of course, still blames the damage and loss of life these rockets do on Israel.
@@TheCaniblcatbro israel reports that one out of five rockets fail
it's still an upgrade from the last war they had coz i remember a news report there saying a third of the rockets failed💀
@@TheCaniblcat 1 in 10 is still pretty decent considering they're just tubes of steel full of fertilizer. I wonder how long it will be before they invent the v2 rocket
We Finland bought David's sling from Israel. I don't know how it differs from Iron Dome, but I hope this war does not affect its delivery, because the lack of it is a big problem in our defense
David's sling is smaller and meant for smaller targets including large artillery and mortars
@@samsonsoturian6013 Wrong, David's sling is kinda the same as the Patriot which is definitely more capable and more expensive than the Iron dome. Iron dome is can only intercept short range missile.
@@samsonsoturian6013 Thats actually incorrect, it's meant for mid-range misses and other type of targets (while iron dome is focused on a short-medium range missles).
Iron Dome is shorter range for rockets/artillery, David’s Sling is a medium range designed more for drones, aircraft, and missiles.
@@samsonsoturian6013 It's the other way around: Iron Dome is the smaller system. David's Sling is meant to target medium ballistic missiles, including the various types of modified S-400 that Russia is now using to bombard Ukrainian cities, as well as cruise missiles and other heavier munitions. It's basically like a Patriot system, but using detection and calculation systems similar to Iron Dome to make interceptions much more guaranteed.
This makes sense for Finland, as your cities are significantly more distant from the border with Russia than Israeli cities are from the border with Gaza - the Russians would attack with larger, long-range weapons.
There is no way that whole system weighs 200lbs. Maybe a single rocket those hydrologic arms alone weigh 200lbs
Agreed
Correct, that is the weight of one missile. Similarly, 2005 lbs is the weight of one Patriot missile. So the ratio is reasonable but the word "system" is a mistake.
Regarding Iron Beam - Itzhak Ben-Israel, a former Israeli MoD R&D head (who in the past was incharge of a previous failed laser defence project Nautilus), estimates that the cost for interception will be about $1000 - much cheaper than even the dirt-cheap Tamir interceptor, but not cents.
The major cost is the electricity generation that is very inefficient because it has to generate a lot of power very quickly and collect it in capacitor based short term storage - you can't use cheap, efficient but slow power generation to charge batteries because batteries don't discharge quickly enough.
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History Legends is a hack.
CNN is pretty good too
@@GardenGuy1943 Are you joking?
@@victors4333 what news source do you use?
@@GardenGuy1943 Everything: Polish, Indian, German, French, British ( less BBC, more Sky and others), Australian . CNN is shaping the news too much to be reliable. Sorry.
Well I live in Ramat HaSharon which is close to Tel Aviv and we’ve got an iron dome battery about 50 meters from my house so we constantly hear the launches
That was an outstanding summation! Thanks for putting it together and sharing it.
Great video, excellent information and as usual, perfectly put together for us to digest
As always, thank you for puting out these fantastic videos on this current war. It's no wonder your sub growth is so good. Well deserved cappy!
I think the rocket attack has evolved from fear/terror weapon, into some sort of economic/strategic weapon. Cost needed to maintain/operate/replenish, coupled with disruption of daily economic activities can drain the economy if the attacks can be sustained over longer period of time.
hamas cannot sustain the rockets for long enough. the idf is closing in on them fast.
@@TiocfaidhArLa34i hope so, but ill be honest….i am absolutely shocked that after the amount of hate the IAF has dropped on them that they are STILL firing Qassams into Israel. They dropped a TON of ordnance on Gaza and the rockets seem never ending. I know the IDF has counter battery radar so I’m sure once they launch rockets that origin point is hit almost immediately. So where the hell are all these launchers? Im praying for Israel, this is going to be a brutal campaign for them but they are left with no other choice.
@@TiocfaidhArLa34 Yeah hose bunker buster videos had a lot of massive blasts coming from what I assume are tunnel exits...
It's a terror weapon, if it were a strategic economic weapon the rockets would be aimed at Israeli military bases not civilian centers.
@@TiocfaidhArLa34Well their numbers are certainly growing. The IDF might want to move with caution
Excellent and in depth explanation as always.
Well done Cappy, your dedication shames the rest.
Of all the channels to which I subscribe, yours is the one I watch first every time. Another very fine video👏
You on it news anchor cappy! Been saying that since before you got an award in news category!!!
Thank you for your service sir and amazing video!
4:48 You will never convince me that is a 21 year old man
21 years in service so now maybe 40 years old
Great Video Cappy! Keep it up!
Chris very Impressed with your videos.... Good explanation.
Thanks for sharing Cappy
Excellent, professionally done video. Very informative and relevant to today's events in the Middle East. Thank you!
The more you know. Found a lot of hope in this video and all it encompasses. Great video, thanks for bringing it to us. Take care of each other, be safe and GOD bless. Peace
This channel has gotten even MORE ADDICTING.
Such creative videos you’ve on this channel. Just subscribed!
Your voice is perfect for 2X speed Thanks!!
Holy crap, this channel is the best. More info than I can process, but very accurate. This is the detail one needs to understand conflict.
Hey, just a tiny detail you mentioned in the beginning of the video... Those were not "hang gliders". They were "powered paragliders". Hang gliders are the rigid triangle shaped light weight aircraft that you hang from underneath. Paragliders are shaped somewhat similar to skydiving canopies. I actually find it interesting that they used PPGs (powered paragliders). Those are not easy machines to fly. You need to take lessons and learn how to do proper landings, especially when you are carrying a passenger. The flying community is very small and a lot of us all over the world know each other. There's a big PPG community in Cairo Egypt, just next door to Gaza. I suspect that's where they learned and probably where they got the paramotors because there are a lot of tandem operators near the pyramids that fly tourists around for money. As far as what I saw on the videos, the skill of their landings was moderate. They definitely took a few weeks of flying lessons. They didn't look like experts but certainly not noobs either.
That’s the kind of nuance only somebody who knows the subject fully can provide. Thanks.
Fascinating. Learned something new.
Chill
@@Leit2290 chill what
@@teddyruxpin3811I think he’s saying it’s super chill OP shared this information with us…
Regarding the laser interception system:
It was reported in the Israeli press that the IDF and Rafael are considering deploying a laser battery to the battlefield for live testing - what better opportunity to test your new scifi rocket interceptor than an actual war where dozens of real rockets are fired every day.
The articles mentioned that since the laser system (Iron Beam) is in development, the Iron Beam will be deployed in addition to the Iron Dome - i.e a rocket the laser system decides to intercept will still be targeted by the Iron Dome at the same time
Honestly suprised how low the figures are for the R&D and initial production. Similar to the production of their main battle tanks that were built cheaper than expected. Goes to show you when you have a credible threat right in front of you, magically things get done cheaper and on time. Unlike anything the U.S has ever researched and produced. Incentives..
Yeah exactly when you really need it things can be done cheaply and done correctly.
Israel is veru corrupt by western standards and many public services and corrupt and inefficient but for military defence it would be suicidal to allow such graft and incompetents to seep in. And even vetter example was uzbekistans highspeed rail development, uzbekistan is a crazy corrupt place and even with serious graft they built a great highspeed network for millions.. Not billions and all woth imported french equipment and trains. The reason was the dictator wanted it and wanted ot to get done. When they wanted to get it done it was done, ontime, perfectly and at below cost.
when the threat is in your face, you're forced to make sacrifices that you otherwise could try to avoid. and avoiding sacrifices is always deeply tempting to a fault for defense.
also the us's development is much more generalist and multi-purpose, while israel (and taiwan) are just specializing for their own local areas and needs.
Been watching the channel for some time now, but you're really stepped it up of late - well done & keep up the objective presentations, many thanks!
Cappy you're the man! Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the info
Wowowow easy private cappy! I'm a huge supporter of your content and it's the fist time I've heard your credentials. Respect . 🎉
I'm fairly certain each interceptor missile is 200LB, not the entire system.
Please do a dedicated video about the Iron Beam system.
Thanks for your service! 👍🏻🇺🇲
thnx Cappy!...
Over the last few weeks, I've seen dozens of rockets being intercepted by the Iron Dome. It's truly a marvelous piece of tech.
BTW, the Iron Beam system is ready to be operationally employed in the coming months, following the recent attacks.
Wow, $40,000 per interceptor is really cheap for an air defense system.
Those lasers (had they already been deployed) might have protected those remotely controlled gun sites and sensors that were knocked out by small UAVs thus paving the way for the fence to be breeched.
israel officials (prettu sure it was the idf representative) have said that the footage was old and fake and that the development of the laser-dome has been sped up but yet to be deployed
:( so unfortunately they are not deployed yet
seeing those in action would be so cool
The last guy named in your team of experts was in the Coast Guard. Good stuff man
New Year's fireworks in autumn 🥳🥳🥳
Pretty cool learning more about these things. Ive programmed and made slew ring bearing for them.
Thanks Chris, Love you man.
@@sunshineforlunch was just kidding😂
@@sunshineforlunch Sorry I didnt meant to.
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@@GamesOfficialCZcams Accepted. Go in peace 👍
I love you cappy but did you use the s-5 sfx from squad in the video??
When I enter your room on you tube I hit the like before watching. But why you may ask. I know you have done your homework and truly respect what you bring to the normal civilian. 👊 which I am, but informed.
Very informative video, thank you. I had no idea we were this close to some kind of laser weaponry, that's pretty interesting.
Excellent Chris
Saw someone talking about David’s Sling. Some info from Google: while the Iron Dome intercepts rockets fired from 2.5 to 40 miles (4 to 70 kilometers) away, David's Sling handles those fired from a distance of 25 to 190 miles (40 to 300 kilometers).
Since we're already on the topic, is there any chance we'll get a video on the Iron beam? I've seen some footage of it being used in the current conflict seems like a game changer
Homeboy never misses a chance to reference the weight a Toyota Camry.🚙💥
Dropping the credentials like a pro
I doubt some of the specs given in this video, i.e. sensor type and ranges.
Which is best in general, C ram systems or iron dome?
I know this is off topic, but this is the second time Cappy has used that clip of the "operators" with the carry handles on the forend of their rifles 11:24. Has anyone seen that done before, or am I just missing something?
@taskandpurpose why do you compare to s300 and not s400?
You should cover their new Iron Sting system.
11:22 Am I seeing that correct? Is there a second carry handle mounted forward of the standard carry handle? And backwards?
(16:08) I think you mentioned in another video that the Jalaa Building housed some international journalist organizations.
Imagine a world in which you need an iron dome to protect you! Madness
I know, right. I'd like to imagine a world where the refugees we saved in ww2 didn't stab us in the back and put us under an apartheid military occupation
@@a7md69yeah how horrible! Gathering around their holy land and joining the Jews who waited for literal thousands of years for it to be rebuilt. How arrogant to try to establish their own state we really should blame every issue in the world on the Jews it’s their fault this way of thinking must be new.
It's pronounced "Hi-fa," not "Ha-Fa." And Sderot is not a French word, it's pronounced "Sday-Roht"
This is good TEACHING.
i pronounce it as "sdehr-roht" because its easier. glad to know i was fairly close to the actual pronunciation.
Great video
Israel should use iron dome as weather radar too, that’s pretty much what a 3D radar is. Great video.
Another great video
Cool, like 'How it's Made'.
God bless.
This man will likely be very busy this winter with the escalating conflict
I am curious whether investigating drone usage in the upcoming conflict is worthy. Maybe a brief history, current use summary, and then expanding on how other technologies can leverage the power of drones. We can all easily see the simple applications of drones (dropping bombs, etc) but I do wonder how advanced militaries like the US are integrating them into their arsenal, if at all, and how so.
Either way, i pray for the families who will lose so much in this conflict.
I wish, but that ain't happening
The US DoD reached endgame development on small drone (sub 50lb) about 10-15 years ago.
It’s the integration into combat situations that the US never figured out. Part of that is the conflict theater (urban desert vs agricultural villages), high unit costs, and higher-ups not recognizing the multiple uses and full potential of small drones.
Well that’s all changed.
@ChuckThree thanks for the info. It does seem to me that drones have greater potential in the wars to come. Anyway, thanks
The cost of the TAMIR interceptors is practically a non-issue since in Israel the government is responsible for repair, reconstruction, and reimbursement for rocket hits.
If a rocket smashes into a house it usually causes damage in the hundreds of thousands if not millions (depending on the target).
It actually saves the government money in the long run.
Cost high, real world testing for the US military, priceless.
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34.333% of survival... Leeeroy Jenkins!
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interesting fact....originaly was going to be called gold dome...but sounded too fancy so was changed to iron dome..
"Iron Within, Iron Without!"
Good video cabby ..i wonder how to make those rockets maneuverable or have like a stopping system mid air to trick the iron dome ... that's why i wanted to be an engineer so fkn bad ..
flight computer.
I doubt that guy was a Brigadier General at 21 years old. Maybe "a veteran of the IDF for twenty-one years and now a Brigadier General".
6:43 Eagle head cloud
Are we gonna ignore the fact @ 11:25 the IDF guy has TWO carry handle sights?
00:35 I can see my building behind the blue hotel in the center )
"DEPLOY IT FOR WAR!" ...
Reminds me of a unit coming out a weapons factory 🏭 in cnc3 or 2
check out the laser upgrade. so they laser dont need ammo but you have a power issue kinda. how much does one blast from the "LASER" cost 5 second kill times for the tech.
self driving kits for vehicles so you could potentially put it in any vehicle give it a weapon system with self targeting.
Each missile is 200 pounds? How much is the mass of the entire 20 missile unit?
what the HELL is that rifle setup at 11:22 lmao
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I would like to clarify an important point that will put important perspective to the cost of the intercepter missle. It should not be compared to the cost of intercepted rocket but rather to the damage that the rocket will produce like a car 25-50 k us$, a building 100-1000 k us$, a life uncoparable. In this prespective the 50 k of the tamir missle is totally cost worthy.
And there are other costs that are connected like reservist call up, land or air incursion. And so on.
That works to an extent. But when you can shoot 1,000 rockets at $1,000 each the cost of shooting them down goes up rapidly when the interceptor cost exceeds the the incoming rocket. And the attacker only has to get one round on target, the defender has to get them all.
@@Kriss_L hi you are correct , eventually only about 10% of the rockets reach a target, and as you said it needs 100% accuracy for an interceptor to hit it, this is not the case in many SAM examples 2 to several missiles are used to verify a hit. in the iron dome case with an accuracy of 90% this is not needed in all cases (but used in some). the cost in the case of iron dome is linear. so no matter how long the battle goes on the cost ratio stays the same and the cost considerations as i have mentioned does not change, and is still leaning towards the use of the iron dome missiles over absorbing hits in strategical targets or high population targets. it is important to state that the majority of the populous has "bomb shelter's" that are highly effective against Hamas weapons. so the iron dome is only 1 of many layers of protection that Israeli populous have.
@7:50 there's no way that only weights 200 pounds
as Israeli I must say the missiles from gaza are regular thing for the last 10 years just for your notice.
I really like the article, great job
They make those home-made launch tubes out of materials sent for foreign aid. They're supposed to use them to improve infrastructure.
I got an idea they should add some CIWS system on rooftops or smth it might be less effective but a salvo is just 6000 dollar instead of a hundred thousand dollar per interceptor
Thanks!
You do amazing work.
Thanks for watching !
200 pounds for 1 rocket or the whole system? Seems way to light
An unimportant comment: Chris, “me” is a perfectly good word. No need to follow the crowd and switch to “myself”. Yourself doesn’t need myself. Trust me.
The term of Iron dome is like killing mosquito with cannon 😂
With cheap and cheerful DIY electonics we startups competing to produce significantly more available rockets.
The only thing that separates iron dome is the fact that it was the only system in the world that is tested against saturation attack with not just hundreds but thousands of missiles simultinously and effective hit majority of it.