How Electromagnetic Armor Vaporizes RPGs
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What happened to electromagnetic tank armor? Imagine if an incoming RPG could be vaporized right when it touched your armor? This type of space-age star wars like force field has actually been in the works for over 20 years at various defense companies. In the early 2000’s the US military spent nearly $200 million dollars across several years on the technology. Conventional armor offers only limited protection against RPGs and shape chargers that shoot out a jet of hot copper at 5,000 mph. It can penetrate around 600 mm of your tank armor which means you need heavy thick armor everywhere . Meanwhile Electromagnetic armor would reduce your tanks total weight and give you the ability to stop multiple hits. So how far away is this technology from being adopted? Is electromagnetic armor practical and what are it’s limitations?
Written by: Chris Cappy
Edited by: Maksym
Here’s how electric armor works according to the research paper “DEFEATING THE RPG7 THREAT BY USING ELECTRIC POWER IN REACTIVE ARMOR APPLICATIONS” trigger warning some science talk is incoming time now: quote “ELRA consists of two parallel conducting plates connected to opposite poles of a charged high energy capacitor. They have a high voltage difference and are connected to an energy source between them. These plates are mounted on the basic armor. When the tip of the shaped charge jet hits the second plate (the inner plate) after having penetrated the first plate (the outer plate), it triggers an electric current that starts to flow through it.”
If you think I can’t dumb it down then you sir have underestimated how dumb I can get. So the incoming munition acts as the electric switch to trigger the armor causing large electric currents to flow into it. Basically the whole concept is when you’re out there driving around in your tank During normal operation, your high voltage power supply is charging your armor plates. This generates an extremely high voltage between the outer and inner armor plates. When someone fires off an RPG at you the munition hits your electric armor and completes the circuit which discharges the incredible amount of stored energy which is dumped into the munition and essentially vaporizes or liquifies it by causing it to expand 5 to 10 times its normal size.
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It wouldn't work, what to stop all the metal around it from sticking to it? A magnet that powerful would be literally dragging cars and shit with it. Anyone who knows even the most basic of electromagnetic anything knows that. I'm assuming you are using a magnet to deflect incoming projectiles. I'm not going to waste my brain cells watching nonsense.
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I love the C&C reference Cappy
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More of a Molybdenum man myself.
I gotta say, it sounds great for stopping rpg's, but if it's thin it could just bring back anti tank rifles
Thats why you use it ontop pre-existing armour.
Or you could be russia, still using anti tank guns in 2023 😂
Edit: just pointing out a fact. If it upsets you, that sucks.
@@ZESAUCEBOSSand your point? Nothing funny or witty about that at all
It could be excellent for a top armour though
It also sounds like concentrated fire could compromise it too. I also wonder how long it would take to modify a shaped charge to defeat the system even in one hit again. It wouldn't surprise me if it's less time than to develop and use this particular reactive armor.
Main issue with it seems to be logistics + that it's not preventing enough different vulnerabilities to be worth the cost.
As a former tanker who took a leak off the side of my tank before crossing the line of departure in desert Storm, this sounds shocking for the family jewels!
That's what the plastic cover plates are for.
Unless you open the control cabinet your safe. It's not electric fence
@@Fossillarson I was going to say similar. Although, nothing electrical works "as intended" forever... I can only imagine what a lax maintenance schedule could do with this.
It fail consistently from the harsh environments
I've never had the privilege, so I've wondered, just curiosity: is there a section for .. restroom breaks in the manual, or did they ever mention that in tank school? I'd imagine the guidance would be that IF you survive, they'll make sure you get a new pair of pants, but you might have to hose out your seat yourself.
The biggest advantage of this system is that the tank commander could shout "polarize the hull plating" all the time, just like in Star Trek Enterprise
One of the things I feel might happen with APFSDS is that it gets vaporized but since it's already moving so fast, it basically just turn it into a HEAT round.
Not if it's vaporized because, as the word suggests, it's vapor
i mean you need a lot of energy to vaporize a sabot round
Also the conductivity of the metal makes a huge difference in the effectiveness of such a system. If you designed the system to be as efficient as possible against HEAT rounds, it likely wouldn't have the juice required to do much to a tungsten dart. If you overbuilt the system to be able to damage darts, well now you are pumping massive amounts of energy into something that has like 30% the conductivity of copper and its likely going to be heavy and power intensive.
A sabot round is a solid dart of heavy metal, you need immense amount of energy to vaporize that. This is completely unlike RPG shaped charges that detonates to send a molten jet of copper at hypersonic speed.
To all the replies, Yes I do know the difference between the two types of ammo. I was just saying that if the APFSDS round was vaporized, the high speed metal particles might act similarly. I know it's not exactly the same as HEAT.
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that "Oh Dear God" was priceless
I had an economics teacher at Foothill College in Los Gatos, CA. She was great and talked about how the US is resources rich but they are harder and thus more expensive to get and process. She said when it is economically infeasible to get the resources. When the price of those reousrces gets high enough extracting the resource becomes feasible.
She used as an example gold mines in the Southwest. Most of the time they are closed but when gold hits a specific price point they get opened again. They are left in operational state so mining can begin immediately when the price is right.
Improvements to technology can/have also changed this evaluation, depending on resource in question. Lots of factors!
Many factors involved. There just may not be enough private equity available from people that are interested. In the case of an abandoned gold mine, an investor might actually be able to mine more gold at a profit; however, theres actually other ventures with far higher return on investment (ROI). Rising prices caused by increased demand, low supply are the usual means of dictating where resources go... with the expectation of getting more resources back. In the usual capitalist free market model anyways.
Far as the video goes, the current EM armor requires components that are just too bulky, fragile to fit on tanks not originally designed for it, and the tech currently doesn't really provide sufficient, all-encompassing protection to justify the costs involved.
The tech is certainly "cool" and is reminiscent of Star Trek's "polarized hull plating" technobabble they used in lieu of shields in the Enterprise series (2001-2005). Though iirc the in-universe explanation differs substantially from what is now publicly known of EM armor.
Those mines have a low gold to rock ratio
Called low grade ore
See poor people in other countries mining these mines as not worth a company’s time
Good old supply and demand, the way free markets are supposed to behave.
Props to your animator, those were super cool
You bet Max is dope
A double tap would render the armor useless. The first munition would be dumb frag/sabot type to destroy the electro plate, the second munition would have the shaped charge. Both in the same shot/missile. These double tap rounds already exist for reactive armor.
Yes, but just like ERA, you have to sacrifice the primary charge size which reduces its actual penetration compared to a unitary warhead. Either way, it reduces the potential penetrative capability of the HEAT either by disrupting the jet or forcing it to have a smaller main charge for the same weight/size.
At 5:02 "the shield was placed 1 meter away" Well duh, just the 1 meter physical separation alone would reduce the charge's power by 50-70%. smh What would also make the tank 2 meter wider and taller. lol
put this on top of era
A simpler solution is tandem charge shaped charge warhead.
@@samuelmendoza9356 - They already have tandem charges and anti-tandem charges. lol It's a never ending cat and mouse game.
By the time such armor is feasible we may have to defeat plasma rifles.
not if we still don't have SPARTANs...
Nah. Just hook it up to some capacitor and have it activate right before an RPG hit or something.
railguns more likely tbh
@@honkhonk8009Like electronic ERA?
Arguably, it would be very effective against plasma weaponry. For plasma to be effective as a weapon at long ranges, you need some sort of magnetic containment field, so that it doesn't spread, then radiate it's heat away before impact. A strong electromagnetic field discharged on contact would both disrupt that magnetic containment field, and force the plasma away from the tank.
Cappy, it holds the 20kw power in the capacitors so in between attacks it doesn't use any power. The issue is the capacitors take up a lot of space.
Fully charged capacitors of that size are the last thing you'd want nearby, while explosions shake the cage.
This 20KW idea would be suitable for an aircraft carrier against missiles.
@@jakobneubert6801 I'm pretty sure a carrier would need quite a bit more plating than a tank.
Caps of this class, can be upto 5J/cc. Need about 20kJ+ for reactive armour
Yes it does. You need 30 to 90 secs to charge the caps, so you need to leave them charged while in the combat zone
Please, next time you do a video on anything electricity-related, consider involving someone who:
a) Has basic understanding of how electricity works.
b) Can distinguish between "electromagnetic" and "electric".
c) Can tell the difference between kV and kW.
Bravo!
Polarize the hull plating!
Was looking for someone to comment this lolz
Made same comment...didn't scroll down to see that someone else beat me to it...
that is what i am waiting for, Treki!
what an enterprising comment! Glad I didnt have to trek too far to run into it!
nothing underlines that comment better than your profile pic, i nearly spat coffee on my monitor, thanks
Basically if the armor can be factors cheaper than multiple missiles, it would be worth it.
It would not be economical against multiple cheap RPG rounds.
RPG’s are always going to be cheaper, the lives of the enemy is the price their gunna pay when their RPG doesn’t do anything.
By that logic infantry should fight unarmored since no body armor in the world costs less than a bullet is worth.
You need to supplement your equation by considering wether the damage prevented by the armor is worth it compared to other types of armor. So basically, does electromagnetic armor prevent the destruction of enough tanks compared to conventional armor that it provides a net-positive in the equation?
@@user-nf9cn3vq1vMultiple cheap rounds would be how it's defeated, tho which would be a big problem as our old conventional armor already does a decent job of resisting putting it outside of most nations cabablities to threaten. Explosive reactive armor on top of that also defeats most of the largest powers threats
This would probably be very good used for specialized roles, or moved into a different role altogether and I imagine that's probably what's going to happen if patents don't get hard and people don't refuse to pay
@@user-nf9cn3vq1vConventional armor would probably save the most tanks in most scenarios as is. Other specialty armors will also probably outperform it in harsh conditions
This is probably going to be in the next presidents car build, then probably on specialized carriers, and when it's relatively cheap and mass-producable it will probably be standard on every medics van
u dont compare armor, u compare the whole tank and crew. not to mention that RPG round is just ammo. its like saying that we should use vests because they are more expensive than single bullet
i think this technology would be better suited to fortification of buildings, like towers, important infrastructure. etc etc
Use more concrete/dirt.
Any fixed emplacement is going to be an artillery target which this won't help against.
It'd help if they were specifically gonna use an RPG, but that's unlikely against buildings, and the armor is no doubt extremely expensive.
@@hurrdurrmurrgurr it wouldve helped during oct 7 when hamas attacked fortified buildings and such
I wouldn't be surprised if they already managed to make an actual force shield. The technology has changed a lot, and the idea isn't that far fetched@rrmurrgurr
Nice C&C reference!
My favorite game still !
DARPA was working on an RPG shield for light to medium duty vehicle called "Iron Curtain"...pretty cool
At a rough guess based on fly-zappers, I would say the energy required to vapourise an AT round is huge.
The storage and rapid discharge (in the time it takes for the round to penetrate a few mm) are impractical for a vehicle but might be possible for fixed installations.
Bro you get some of the most insane sponsors I've EVER seen in all my time on youtube
The channel is produced by government agencies.
This is one of those episodes where the commercial is just as important and informative as the main topic.
Having a stock analysis in the ad spot is a really pleasent surprise honestly
I would advise against naming an article detailing the technology "The Charge of the Light Brigade."
Always entertained by your content, it's awesome!
Been a viewer for a few years now, always good to see an upload from you. Happy to see the channel growing
Thanks I appreciate the kind words hooah
Finally ... Now I can comprehend the true power of a shaped charge like the RPG round. The speed of the blast is much more then Id think.
Ironically the WarThunder forums are genuinely a great place to ask.
Problem with electromagnetic anything is it needs ALOT of power to power it... so good in theory but unless you can put a fusion reactor on your tank (one day!) then unlikely......
High power, yes, though generally only during the few moments it operates for, hence the need for some kind of energy storage device such as capacitors. Most of these things are limited by just how quick we can use the energy rather than by how long it takes to build it up. For instance, some of the US's railgun testbeds use large hybrid flywheel-alternator devices to develop the tremendous voltage and current needed to drive a projectile at rates comparable to good ole explosives. These things can be charged across minutes or even hours of time, but have to discharge in single-digit milliseconds (~2-5ms in the case of a railgun)
Trying to have a good ealry comment but the video disproves what you say: :((
@@milesnevills5534 I mean it depends on how often you're being hit, the other point is you have to have it on before you're hit - so vehicles become very vulnerable (even more so) to surprise attacks and you're using energy even when stationary (producing a logistics cost in fuel/energy that needs to be transported).
If Doc Brown could do it, the big green machine can😎
Not really. The whole thing acts as a capacitor. Your not gonna be using power until it hits. Its like reactive armour basically.
Thanks for the animations max!
This is why I love internet. Doc Cock to source you information for electromagnetic armor... What time to be alive!
Hey Chris love your shows. Very informative and they keep me focused. Served with the 101st RAKKASANS. I was a grunt and wouldn't hesitate to do it again, if I was a younger man lol. Anyway, stay safe brother and keep them coming! Take care
This channel is a gem! Great animations, too!
great animations, they do an excellent job clarifying the concept
9:40 good job Max! Illustrated the point well.
Max, your animations are *chef's kiss
"Barney style" 😂 love it! Great books!
My old drill sergeant used to say that to me all the time haha
Also I watched that show way too much as a kid
I was actually referring to the series Expeditionary Force by Craig Alenson.
I think we should return to the Cold War idea of putting a fission reactor in a Tank.
Love that Soprano ending Chris. Makes me want more 😂
The mark 2 Dorchester armour took 70 RPG hit with out any damage to the tank and crew. So it solving an issue which does exist
Its use isn't just limited to tanks. This technology could be used to to protect more lightly armoured vehicles like IFVs and AFVs. You're not putting Dorchester armour on a Styker.
The issue is those tanks are expensive and they're hoping this is a cheaper alternative. However, I do not know if I believe it's reliable against bullets, if at all capable of stopping any bullets.
@@kutter_ttl6786 you could put Dorchester armour on a striker. The chobham modular amour is used on worrier and boxer IFV so I can't see why it wouldn't be used on a striker. (Except the mod won't export the Mark 2 Dorchester, only the Mark 1 which isn't really as good)
@@WARDEATHFUN I think the elephant in the room is even if it works it would only work once as the RPG as to go through the copper coils before the armour. Which would make it useless for sustained fire, which is kind of the whole point of the MBT armour.
@@bardslee It can but the amount of armour it will pack will be way beyond its weight capacity. It's why the Challenger weights 60 tons. Not to mention bulky, since new armour solution are no longer thick sandwich of composite(widely used on Soviet tank front plates) but spaced armour arrays involving composites. This electric armour allows modest bulk reduction but also modest weight increased for drastically increased protection
Love this channel. The animations are excellent btw!
The sponsors for these videos are always very interesting and unusual.
Nice to see a Star Trek clip thrown in. Great episode.
We also rea(lly appreciate your work, Cappy). Good to see the channel growing.
Love a good command and conquer reference
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This is fascinating. It sounds closer to science fictions shields, and those are almost always used on large ships that can produce almost endless amounts of electricity.
Ita full of Lies nothing fascinating a fake Lies you cant stop rpg from fake walls 😂😂😂😂😂
Seems like this might be more practical for an unmanned tank/vehicle - using the extra space and size saved by eliminating other systems to increase battery loadouts and such.
Power generation beats batteries and weighs much less.
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Honestly this electric armor sound great for a rapidly set up bunker.
In areas where this threat is likely to pop up.
Especially is you can set up a multi charge state.
That would allow taking multi shots. By swapping from 1 circit to another rapidly.
Honestly though asside from this specific instance not really useful.
With 1 exeption if the pannels could also provide camouflage from thermal vision.
Then it would be really handy for supply + recovery points. Given you can generate enough electric power.
Kinda leaves a sci-fi mental picture of "cloaked" tanks advancing under fire and blinking back into visible spectrum as they are hit due to armor discharging.
@@uselessmitten7836 indeed
Animator Max, you da real MVP
Thanks Max!!!
11:58 I came for video about defense tech update
But didnt expect to learn about EV (Electric Vehicle) effect on our resource supply chain
Since EV currently being overhype up,
This info extremely relevant to nowdays EV issue,
this really caught my interest,
Looking at percent & weight of required REE (Rare earth element/metal)
EV definitely gonna leave concerning impact on our REE resource sustainability.
Imagine those EV getting mass produced
US wont sent freedom to oil rich country anymore
We might start prefer to send freedom to indonesian XD
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9:28 Banger 3d work, Mr Max!
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Love the Harbor Freight generator graphic
Most likely = it will be more cost effective with unmanned tanks. Lighter, faster and no crew (or limited) to protect.
Max did a bang up job. He deserves a raise
Subscribed just for the C&C reference.
Wow! That is sooo cool!
The random marine that fixes bayonet on this armor as a joke is going to be in for a surprise.
This could work very well for the M10 Booker. The M10 can't stand up to a MBT main gun, but enhanced protection against shaped charge warheads could prove very useful. Seem the w ay to get around some of the difficulties of implementing this would be to integrate the capacitors into the armor panels themselves. This would minimize the requirement for high current cabling and could mean that only the E-Armor panel that was actually hit would require recharging. APCs and AFV primarily facie shaped charge threats from infantry antiarmor.
I think my fav part of the video, was the old-school nostalgia of C&C Tesla coils! @4:12 ,,,😂😂
This one was really funny. Good job, CC.
3:00 I was half expecting this already
This could be applicable for space flight to other planets and protect against meteorites
Space ships do not generate this level of electricity
Meteorites are often not conductive
The capacitors would be enormously heavy
You really only have to worry about collisions in low Earth orbit.
This is really effective at stopping armor piercing explosive rounds but a solid penetators best defense is just as you said 3 foot thick armor
Looks like a system for defense against top-down-attacks without increasing the weight too much. Probably for a Merkava style of tank with conventional armour protecting the front glacis (and the engine below) and electric armour for the top of the turret (covering the rest of the vehicle).
upvoted for the startrek clip!
Nice job, Max!
Capacitors can be used for electrical storage, fast discharge and fast recharge.
nice work Max.
ok your editor is amazing.
I think it could make penetrator rods _more_ dangerous.
The penetrators rely on extreme velocity to create a "physics crisis" on the target armor. Basically vaporized penetrator rod bits (and armor bits) can't get out of it's own way fast enough, and you get an intensely exothermic reaction which draws it's energy from the velocity. All of the metal involved ends up molten, vaporized, and a small amount even ends up as plasma. Basically what happens is similar to if you were to jam an arc-welding stick into a block of steel, except penetrator rods use up the whole stick almost instantly, and the energy source is kinetic instead of electrical.
A high electrical energy input into this could make the effect-on-target actually worse. Adding ultra-high energy arc welding might "stack" with the potency of the rod, which is already going for a (somewhat) similar effect. (this is all armchair mind you, my backyard high-energy testing facility is out of order).
I got the same problem with my lab bro...
I love how the sponsored part just became another interesting topic lol
9:55 Nice save video editor!!!!
Complex system. Is the counter easy/cheap?
Curious: what if the projectile is dipped in rubber (or other non metallic/magnetic material)?
around 3:50+ killivolts?? :p thanks for the video man
Making the outside of a tank an arc flash zone.👌
(Incudently, those are also the result of exploding copper)
Does this have a similar concept in the Gundam Seed anime? like PS armor(Phase Shift armor)
this sounds useful in theory against current rounds, but how effective would they be against say proximity fuzed heat or simply non conductive versions of the current fuzes, but I suppose every form of armour has its countermeasure
I read about this years ago and only once as it had to do with the Carrier Gerald R Ford. Never could find it again but same concept and I do wonder if it was ever installed.
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The design you described sounds like the armor works mainly by expanding super heating and ultimately decintigrating the munitions but what about magnetically repulsing/repelling the munitions? Adding sufficient magnetic repulsion would potentially neutralize the ballistic trajectory of the munitions by pushing the munitions back with sufficient force to overcome the velocity and stop the munitions mid flight inches or even a few feet short of reaching you. This would work against any and all munitions made of magnetically responsive materials from rocket propelled missiles to anti-tank bullets and beyond.
Great as always
I salute ChadThundercokPhD for his research on the matter!
Yessss, a C&C lover!!!!
Command and Conquer Red Alert was the best computer game ever made. I miss the Tesla coils idk why we don't have them irl.
i can also imagine that the maintanance would get trickier and deadlier if not done right, i had to disconect and switch out some big power sources, this would probably be even more beefed up. for reference. i had to wait for 30 minutes after powering the machine down to make sure that any remaining charge is well and trurly gone.
so the crew would have to wait 30 minutes OR longer if they want to perform maintanance on this reactive armor or near it.
i think that a new tank would have to be deseigned with this protection in mind as i dont know where you would plan to put the power source in existing nato deseigns
The biggest manufacturing complexity of EM armor is the capacitors. Extremely expensive, hard to source, and challenging to maintain if damaged. Those factors increase exponensionally when you factor in the rare-earth metal content of the fastest/highest discharge capacitors.
The ERA tech tree update seems to be quite promising
I love that just throwing metal darts very fast beats this armour. High tech armour loses to lowest tech attack
Freaking loved Tesla coil weapon on command and conquer good video bro keep it up
Awesome, I was randomly thinking about this sort of thing yesterday and then poof, Google reads me mind and generates this video to add to the simulation. Oh, the synchronicities! (Sarcasm for everything after poof)
Thanks for the video.
This was a very interesting video for someone that has worked with electrical equipment for years and has an armor background. If you look up Arc flash videos you will realize how much power is really in the transformers and wire we live with every day. I could see this working using high density capacitors to store the energy vs a power system always having to supply that is a surge. The biggest issue would be what energy density can they get in the capacitors to hold all of that power for an instantaneous fault current high enough to do what you want it to do and still fit in the space available. The capacitors themselves could also create a secondary hazard to the crew if hit so the risk assessment would keep swinging back and forth adding complexities to the system. Look up man made lightning for transformer testing and you will see what this type of system would be doing in real life off the battlefield.
At the start of the video you mentioned that capacitors would provide the immediate power, logic would suggest that they are disconnected from the armour until needed. They can even be activated in less than 0.1 of a second at the moment of contact with a projectile. So I don't see how safety is ever a problem or if a commander needs to activate it. It can all be automated without any problems.
With the rapid miniaturization of electronics and especially charge holding components, this could very well be a good auxiliary protection for tanks. It is a shame this video doesn't explore this technology with current electronical capabilities. There is far more possible then whenever that BMT rapport was written, I can't imagine it was written recently.
Great, now I want to play C&C Red Alert again
oh my god Cappy referenced Red Alert 2 YES THIS IS WHY WE LOVE YOU CHRIS
I remember drawing photos of tanks when I was younger. I recall my car class teacher telling me that the Americans had this "electric armour" in Baghdad. My Swedish was pretty poor back then, I think I may have misunderstood. Perhaps he was refering to ERA
yk, if its intermittent and thin, you could theoretically design autocannon rounds that can soak up a ton of that energy and convert it to expansion extremely fast, effectively taking that armour out within 1-2 shots, and if the true passive armour beneath is thin to cut weight, youve effectively made your MBT hyper susceptible to autocannon fire.
What about the Sudbury Ont. nickel mines? And potentially laterite nickel deposits in other countries?
I like that it wouldn’t even be surprising if Warthunder had some classified info on the matter
I think we'll eventually get those phase shift armor on the gundam seed series if this comes true