Russia's Turtle Tanks Are Evolving
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- čas přidán 11. 05. 2024
- Russia's 'Turtle Tanks' are continuing to evolve and proliferate to other sectors of the frontline. In this comprehensive video we examine sightings of the 'Tsar Mangal' tanks, their variations and how they have continued to evolve.
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Thanks for watching guys, this is I think at the moment the most comprehensive video looking at appearances of these tanks. Sources and full article available here - armourersbench.com/2024/05/12/the-turtle-tank-evolves/ Thanks - Matt.
Should the exposed tracks now be the priority of the FPV drones?
If successful, once immobilised an open hatch or artillery strike should sort them out.
How much of a punch is needed to break a track?
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Seems as though I remember (being a child during the 80s) that there was a lot of concern about reactive armor on Soviet tanks, and that was defeated!
These tanks are the natural evolution of Soviet artillery focused doctrine. Both sides use their tanks for indirect fire, so we will likely see these tanks repurposed for that role as well since they have the added benefit of protection against drones. I can see the future of the war heading towards heavily armored, drone resistant vehicles shelling everything into oblivion.
War in 21st Century Expectation: Lazers and Robots
Reality: Turtle Tank
Man that's funny, darn 80's movies got our hopes up
Weld a Dumpster on your D-8 and still get shot up
Well drones really a thing nowadays, and lasers used for guiding also
WARHAMMER 40K
"Assault sheds"
I wonder how long it takes, till it evolves to a full scale medieval siege tower
waiting for a scorpion turtle tank, a mangonel turtle tank and a trebuchet turtle tank.
Till the moment when artillery and Javelins will arrive
MFers will build titans from WH 40k xddd
That would be worth a look.
@@5.45x39_ All praise the Omnissiah
Appears the Killdozer is making a comeback
With upgrades
Megaweapon! Megaweapon! Megaweapon!
That guy was ahead of his time
thats why I thought it looked familar!
guy wasnt wrong,or stupid
We welded fences and bed frames onto US Army tanks in Iraq....until they came up with grills
In WW2, they added hedgerow cutters to the tanks in the field. Eventually they added them before leaving England.
yes...i dont know why people think Russia invented something new. THis is common practice everywhere.
@@PanterusPinkus I mean its commonsense😂 If you need more protection what do you do? Pray?
@@PanterusPinkus People don't think that it was invented by the Russians, they ridicule them for it
@@iirosiren5120 i agree...im just bothered by people who making jokes out of it not knowing its common practise to use such armor.
Russia's war thunder tree gonna look like mad max vechiles
Just play Crossout at this point
Good enough reason for mad Max April Fools event
@@MrLuzakman crossout somehow became a worse trainwreck than warthunder though lmao
Lol. Thats hilarious.
LoL for real
That ain't a turtle, that's a tank evolving into a crab, the ultimate form.
The longer I think about it, you are absolutely right!!
Waiting for it to turn into robot.....
Feels like a tank destroyer tbh
From their track record, it's most likely a tank destroyed.
hermit crab
- Captain! There is a barn over there!
- And?
- It's charging at us!
The most interesting thing is that this is an ingenious solution in the current realities, when drones are thrown into the roof.
Overhype. Id say the jammers make more sense an practical
@@darugdawg2453 a jammer is more practical than a piece of metal? are you serious?
This is top-tier desperation. It’s called “we don’t have anything to fight off what our opponents are throwing at us anymore, so we’re throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.”
@@OneBiasedOpinion Just like when Americans put everything including sandbags on their tanks just to stop a tiger from blowing a hole straight through them.
Its just a one part of the "drones problem" solution. Jammers, cheap anti-air defence, cloud-type goose hunting style. War is never change but it changes everything else.
“But sir we can’t see the other 350 degrees…”
“Don’t worry, you’re only going forward.”
its not a joke of a vehicle dude the tank is very very effective against drones since drones explode upon contact which is an issue when the surfare they're blowing up against has a giant space between the place its hitting and where it wants to hit
They've ruined the functionality of the vehicle for everything but being a mostly-blind easily-bogged-down troop transport, in order to reduce the risk of one specific threat. But the fact that it seems to have reduced the risk of said threat is leading to everyone doubling down on the idea.
@@karenrobertsdottir4101 Tanks had always had very very limited visibility in other directions ... and that visibility is way less important now than it was before with communications and drones and cameras. Heck, the fact that you do not see a window doesn't mean there can't be a camera. Or several.
@@valyshknee4203yeah era can’t cover everything so this honestly might be worth the trade offs shits fucked everyone keeps celebrating about these modern invincible tanks being destroyed but all of them are helpless to drones
@@karenrobertsdottir4101 if they're doing indirect fire the loss of vision isn't really an issue.
Remember, it’s not stupid if it works.
Does it though? You're protected better against one weapon, but now far bigger, somewhat slower, your own situational awareness is weakened, your guns have far less fire angles, you're going to have less range with the vehicle, you're going to be pushing the engine and suspension to or past their limits, you're going to be harder to recover if broken down, and you aren't really going to be protected against traditional threats like ATGMs or Artillery. Seems like a lot of drawbacks on the tradeoff to me, which is probably why these vehicles seem to be going on one way missions most of the time we see them.
@@Del_Sit's useful in the Pointman role, it draws FPVs freeing the other tanks in the column and paves the way through minefields. It's not a combat tank but a supporting tank.
It does not😂😂 🇷🇺🤡
@@Del_S A tank like Abrams and Leopard is useless, where due to the weight you cannot install protection against drones. and Russian soldiers know better what works in a real war.
@@Del_S yerrr; but that arty salvo is going to be directed by a drone with a thermal camera anyway. And the purpose of the tank is probably to get the arty to fire so I can be counter-batteried.
And it's not like Russian tanks have a reverse gear so you're probably better off abandoning the tank.
So the fpv fuel bomb drone is probably the highest threat target.
It's not like these Russian crews are making turtle shells to get more views on tik tok my man
Seems like the bigger solution would be to disable the drones before they can get in range rather than to beef up the tanks
As a side note, I think people all assumed that future wars would be fought with the most elite tech, but underestimated the sustained cost of said tech. In both of the world wars, as the conflict stretched out, more and more cheaper solutions were utilized and we're seeing it again here
that's already done, but it only works for a few meters and also affects your own allied drones.
I thought DARPA was developing a microwave array that just sweeps them out of the air? It was the size of a semi truck trailer though
Yeah, the Nazis thought the same thing (most elite tech will win the day) until mass production from the U.S. and Russia (mainly the U.S.) drowned them in lower-tech gear that could be easily and cheaply pumped out. As Tex is fond of saying, "War is often not kind to the side with the inferior industrial base."
I've heard it called 'standoff armor,' and it has been used on tanks since WW1, when some British tanks were equipped with wire cages to prevent the enemy from heaving grenades onto the vulnerable roof. AP rounds will punch through this add-on armor like tissue paper, but many shaped-charge and high explosive shells will detonate on the thin supplemental armor instead of against the hull of a tank.
Yeah the Russians are masters of simple cheap yet effective tactics and fabrications the Ukrainians don't stand a chance
The term cope cage is ironic. Because the Russians are just doing what works. The coping about the cages is coming from NATO because they'd rather look stylish than not get their leopard tanks BTFOd by drones.
This man speaks truth.
And drones generally rely on HE, so the shell combined with a jammer makes for an effective defense. The jammer takes most attacking drones out, and the surviving drones won't be enough to blow a hole through the shell and then exploit that gap and damage the actual tank underneath.
It looks more and more like Mad Max. Every tank becomes a unique piece of hardware.
Crossout
... There is literally no difference.
No, its more like Robot wars. Robots in that show also slowly evolved and then one appeared that tended to make mincemeat out of all the others until a better one came along.
WARHAMMER 40K
skibidi toilet defence simulator
Dang, the hetzer made a return
SU85?
@@steveblanchard7293SU-85 reporting.
That's the A7V
Stugs ??
Would traversing the turret into the cage knock off its calibration at all?
I'll admit I'm not upset to see the good ol' tank destroyer making a return.
im with you on that one
Everybody gangsta till the shed starts shooting high explosive
and then gangsta again when they see that it fires and hitsnothing because this shed-tank is almost blind
The assault gun concept returns, didn't see that coming.
Indee, with americans fielding the M10 Booker for this purpose (Newest one at least). Other countries using dedicated IFV with cannons for this purpose or wheeled armored vehicles.
@@jonathanpudim Since the Booker main gun is only .51 inch bigger than the smaller Stuart's, I think that tanks of about that size would be better. Retro fitting a Stuart would be cheaper.
@@leondillon8723 we must be thinking of different light tanks cause there's no way you suggested a century old light tank could be retrofitted with modern engines, electronics, hydraulics, servos, weapon platforms, armor and made compatible to modern fuel systems. Let alone done at anything close to the price of a new vehicle? Not to mention theres probably only a hundered or so still operational on the whole planet.
@@rennscott5808 The WW I Renaulr Ft 17 was in service for 80+ years. India sold their Sherman Tanks. Israel bought a 100+ and SLEPed with modern electronics and upgunned them. The tanks were still very effective.
The "assault shed" you mean.
So, MADMAX is evolving from a work of fiction to a documentary 😅.
In the drone world, FPV stands for “first-person view” and it means that, as the pilot, you can see what the drone sees. It suddenly makes you more mobile than ever before and lets you see things that could have been missed from the ground, like flying over the treetops or under bridges. Most modern drones include a camera and the ability to transmit a live feed to a smartphone. Technically, nearly every drone is an FPV drone but that definition is changing.
I love that the design looks like a tank that's smashed through a barn and had the roof comically stuck on its turret.
I bet that's how it was invented.
tank house!
Oh you've seen White Tiger have you?
lol, i can envision a lookout noticing an increase in farm sheds appearing in a field scratching his head.
If it's effective against a certain type of shell, does it matter?
many English speakers do not even know that the first tank shed was made of a T-72 whose turret stopped rotating, so they made a counter-drone curtain of anything and it worked, several drones did not even harm the tank shed, we Russians call them "Tank Mangal"
Let's just go full circle and start making casemates.
but on tracks this time
@@nikitaivanow9099
**SU-54-122 ignition sounds**
We will be using ww2 tanks by the time we run out of modern stuff 😂
@@LordOfChaos.x Going back to sticks and stones.
@@LordOfChaos.xlet’s see if what Porsche is cooking
That’s the difference between making military hardware immediately applied and tested in the field, and making them in a boardroom and designing them to look cool to be sold on brochures. What works ain’t that glamorous but gets the job done, what sucks is expensive to make and is sold to people who have the money to spend to look threatening but dread having to lose the equipment in a real fight - making it money going down the drain.
we don't know if the turtle shell works. it certainly block the view.
@@Robocop-qe7le There are often a whole bunch of anti-drone jammers under these sheets of metal and welded fences, which are a much bigger problem. One such tank covers everyone around it. It looks stupid but effective.
@@Morneir if is under the sheets of metal then it doesn't work because Faraday and his cage. Jammers can only be fitted outside the shell.
you mean takticool
Yes, generals are focused on looks. Totally not on testscand statistics.
This is just an ad-hoc form of spaced armour, and spaced armour works well to defend against certain types of munitions.
This style of armour will likely become broadly adopted if it works well, although it will be better engineered to allow for better visibility and turret traverse.
US will probably mount some cameras on a rotating turret shell, hook it up to an AR helmet for a 360° battlefield view, and charge a $500,000 premium. It will work well in small volumes and be completely unsustainable in modern war if our tech manufacturing is outsourced.
Just because a strategy is old doesn't mean it's obsolete.
"Old, but not obselete" -T800.
@@nw2861"I'll be back" - T800
Relevancy is key. I wonder if we'll see new purpose-built casemate designs in the coming years considering that this is one of the few designs that has proven useful against drones which is the biggest threat now.
If it looks stupid but works...
A solution would be spaced armor which modern tanks rerely have because they are useless against anti tank shells or rpgs. But actually usefull against explosions.@@freedomisntfreeffs
@@LordOfChaos.x it's also a lot harder to aim right if you don't know your enemies real shape.
Einstein said that whatever weapons WWIII would be fought with, WWIV would be fought with rocks and sticks.
Bet he never thought WWIII would be fought with corrugated metal garden sheds with extra chicken wire...
So turtles of WW4 will be covered by rocks and sticks? Sounds interesting.
Didnt know that Ukraine and Russia are fighting WW3.
@@serch3ster they are tho, if we count all countries participating in a war, that would be more than WW1 at very least.
Since the world agreed using the biggest weapon of WW2 will destroy us all, the war is literally WW1 all over again.
Crab :)
One idea I had was a rotating shaft with flailing chains orbiting the tank, like a carousel or maypole. Replacement chains can be installed by anyone too
The thing I never understood is this. I don't know why they didn't just weld the giant plate to protect the engine deck, and well the giant box directly onto the turret itself so that you could get full turret rotation while still getting the full protection for the areas that you need. They are sacrificing almost 180° if not more of their turret rotation capability and most of their visibility in exchange for drone protection. Seeing as that armor will not stop a javelin or any other anti-tank rocket
Это ограждение распыляет комулятивную струю.
Вместе с защитой самого танка работает против любого оружия кроме подкалиберных и 152мм артиллерии.
Tanks have weak armor on the back, so you might as well look just forward, front to enemy lines. Rotating tower wouldn't help against javelin missiles anyway, so still can leave turtle shell there. And outer shell spread directed blast a little before it hits the main armor, so helps too
У первого танка, просто заклинило башню. На танк наварили всякого говна и отправили вперед. Оказалось эффективно.
I didn't expect a T-72 tank to evolve into an apc with a smoothbore cannon
Literally merkava
The Elefant and ISU-122 are making a comeback
Hetzer 2 baby
Omg where
@@pitivan3895 that's basically what these are, 125mm assultguns
RammTiger
Jagdtiger returns
Smarter mines or mines that wait a couple seconds for the roller to pass by.or a mine that waits for the second passover to detonate.
Daisy chaining AT mines is a very old tactic, for example by fusing the mine closed to the defenders with a couple of meters worth of unfused AT mines next to it for sympathetic detonation. Combat engineers and IED builders figured out everything needed to mobility kill anything with wheels or tracks long ago. Both sides have remotely delivered mine systems. AT2 is a common Soviet model.
This reminds me more and more about Marvin Heemeyer's Killdozer.
A good man 💪
Remember, a better and bigger radiator next time!
Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things.
They saw whistlindiesels video and went buck wild
True pioneer
can't wait for these to be added to warthunder
in war thunder we call these "vegetation"
@@linemat7887 i hate bush users
@@Ice_elitesame mostly those russian bias cause green effective camo on top of an already concealing painting
65€ premium
@@RosenwinklerSolutions +$30 for the V and Russian tricolor barrel stripes design package
Its one of those things that despite being ugly, inefficient and unwieldy, are still used simply because they work for the intended purpose, and there isn't any better alternative. Won't help you much against APDS though.
Doesnt seem like ukraine is capable of operating armor to counter russian offensive operations for the past year or so.
It's almost Skynet vs. Mad Max at this point, and it's kind of hilarious how the war in Ukraine becomes simultaneously more high and low-tech.
Starsector hegemony vs tri tech Ai
@@cideltacommand7169tri tech versus lud path would be more acurate
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@@dudupintarolas5214 There is quite literally a faction the is just a re-skinned Space-USSR...Sindrian Diktat
@@cideltacommand7169
"Starsector hegemony vs tri tech Ai"
Thats right lmao
history repeats itself, a toaster on tracks is again trying to breach the trench warfare stalemate
trve
And the fact that drones, in general, are the reason why there is no stalemate
@@andy_NQLol
They do look like German WW1 tanks!
It’s kind of obvious how to deal with this problem, but every time I post about it, the post disappears.
I do not speak the language well enough, so I will write through a translator, I hope I will be able to convey the meaning. The bottom line is that this is not like any other war that you are used to seeing, there are no lightning and fast offensives or superiority of one side over the other. This is a very difficult and slow war of attrition, where fierce battles are fought for every km of the front, in this regard, most of the troops on both sides dig in some regions where they can stay for a very, very long time, global offensives with a large movement are rare. Why am I saying all this? Due to the inability to advance and break through the defenses, tanks become an easy target, a little step to the left or right and you are insignificant, minefields are everywhere, drones and artillery, so soldiers on the ground come up with means that will at least slightly increase the survival rate of their tanks. I'm sure people don't quite understand what I'm talking about, you probably think, well, there are active protection complexes, you can equip tanks with technological modules and everything so that they are not an easy mess, but the fact is that 1) you need to develop this and put it into production, since there has never been such a need before it was not, 2) it will come out in decent money, but it will not give any security guarantees. You also need to understand that such turtles can be outdated tanks, or tanks with technical problems, this, no matter how stupid it may sound, is just convenient, any welder on the spot can upgrade the car the way it is needed right here and now. Whatever tanks entered this war, they are doomed to complete failure, since there were no such wars and the tanks were absolutely not ready for them, all leopards, Abrams, Leclerc, challengers and so on, these are all wonderful machines of their time, but time has changed and this war clearly shows that the the approach to tank building that was previously completely incorrect now. You can laugh and joke, but believe me, you don't know what this war is, your idea is a maximum representation of the picture from the telegram channels, but you don't know what it really is, it's not what you used to see before this time, it doesn't look like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, This is not like the companies in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran, this is a completely new war. Of course, both the Russian side and the Ukrainian side have disadvantages, flaws, there is always room to grow, the Russian economy is inferior to the United States, so the United States most likely has more modern and technological weapons, but this plays almost no role in such a positional war. Believe me, the war has been going on for 2 years and both sides have huge military experience, they are not fools, if something is being done, then it must be done, no matter how ridiculous it looks from the outside. I wrote all this so that you understand that war is not a toy, it looks to you like a shooting game somewhere far away, well, war is much scarier than you might think, so every, even the most ridiculous thing, if it helps save the life of 1 person, then it has already been done it's not in vain, believe me, a beautiful picture is cool, all this cool and modern technology, stylish, futuristic and technological, but in the conditions of a "dirty war", and not exhibitions and landfills, all this beauty has not surrendered to anyone, like all this technology, they burn from mines and from drones, like leopards 2a6, so are the old t-64 and t-72, they all burn the same, if they wanted to destroy them, no one will leave.
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This was a really well put comment articulated even with a translator
Well said. The west will mock and ridicule the turtle tanks, but like you said, this war is unlike anything we’ve seen. The massive use of cheap drones is absolutely terrifying.. You can’t outrun them, you won’t hear or see them until they slam into you or drop something on you, and you’ll be welding just about anything to your vehicle to increase the likelihood that you’ll get to go home. As this war progresses, unless peace is negotiated, and compromises are made - Americans too will feel what it’s like to fight a war of attrition and see first hand how vulnerable and helpless you feel when drones are flying overhead.
An advantage of them being ad hoc is that the enemy will likely not make concentrated counter. Or if the enemy does invest in production lines to make counter turtle weapons and spread them, that is a gain in itself. An anti turtle fpv drone will be heavier / have shorter range or some other cost. And if ad hoc turtles become ineffective, the Russians can just stop making them.
So it is not just tactical struggle between fpv drones and turtles. It is also strategic struggle between investment in production lines.
@@jimmyvaught The Turtle tanks do seem to work in mitigating drone damage, I would agree. But British Challenger tanks in Ukrainian hands have actually been outrunning drones simply by employing shoot and scoot tactics. These cheap drones do not have the technology to lock unto things from high in the sky, as they have simple cameras from which the operator must spend hours finding targets in. A Challenger just needs to shoot a few times and leave, much like long range artillery.
This is why artillery losses from drones are not common. By the time a drone arrives to an area, the artillery it's meant to be targeting has already left.
Dealing with an engine issue must be hell.... they must have to dismantle and rebuild the outer shell for servicing etc....
There is little expectation they'll last that long in combat.
Me: I spotted tank!
The one guy holds an anti-tank launcher: okay... wdym it's just a house
Tank: it's working!
Worse... you fire the AT weapon. Its self guidance programs... misses because it sees no tank.
that could be the worst thing to happen
@@nickl5658 most are at misiles platforms are heat guidet, it sees the tank anyway
@@ratatataget who knows how well that insulates, perhaps white paint could be an evolution to use albedo to keep temps down.
@@spookyweeb5563 its metal. the engine has to have some space and the metal around it heats up.
During WW2, United States soldiers (and I'm guessing soldiers from every country involved) attached sandbags, cement, and even furniture to their tanks to add extra protection. The army actually did a study regarding the practice and found that the amount of protection added was negligible, and in some cases detrimental, but the moral boost it gave the soldiers was well worth the drawbacks.
If they were studying Italians no doubt
but the difference here is that its spaced farther from the vehicle and its to protect against fpv drones not ap or apcr shells
ap/apcr could shred through the extra sandbags/cement/etc. easily but an fpv drone cant pen sheet metal or even chain link nearly as easily
@@cyb3r._. Yes shells are penetrating, but their impact is greatly diminished, therefore not much damaging to the tank.
Problem with add on armor in all cases, as even Patton realized, is that it puts additional strain that the tank was probably not designed for on all of the mechanical components, and can slow the vehicle down or make it less maneuverable.
It's certainly a tradeoff, and depends on your particular battlefield whether it's worth it, for Patton it was unacceptable because he knew that anything slowing down his advance and giving the enemy more time to respond was the real risk.
it might not have added any significant protection against tank shells but that crap on the outside did help deflect panzerfausts, which were becoming a more common threat during the end of the war.
Everyone is joking about it... But it's working...
It's a war of Attrition after all
It has already stopped working. See videos of turtles getting destroyed.
Very interesting and helpful.
The sheds look like they’re sometimes being used for camouflage too, to blend in with local rubble.
I am surprised that not shit what is on the fields
Yes and each one being different might interfere with any AI image processing too
*"This isn't even my final form!"* 😆
The protection is good and practical against drones but the trade off is massive.
Excellent presentation with good research. Thank you.
They are actually starting to look like the American T95 Doom Turtle super heavy tank.
Thank you! Thanks for watching.
"Tanks are obsolete"
*Tank equips armor effective against munitions it will encounter*
Mobile Shed are not "Tanks".
If a tank has to wear a turtle shell that restricts a massive amount of its vision, it might as well be useless.
@@SniperSamir How is it useless if it can do a tanks job and break through defensive lines? Tanks do not face tank guns, they face infantry fired munitions, artillery but primarily drones strapped with high explosives. An assault gun is more usefull than a burnt out tank. If the war continues on for half a year more, you will see Ukranian tanks equipped with sheds, yes, even leopards and abrams. Remember your comment then as we will then hear about how ingenious it is.
@@Procrastinater Tank do face other tanks, infantry will also usually not come from the front so having awareness around you is kind of important. I don't know if it is still the case but at the beginning of the war the Russian also had too many tanks for the amount of infantry to accompany them and keep them from being loused so if it is still the case and the tank has even worse vision it is sacrificing defence in one way to gain it in another. Putting a bunch of metal on the tank also increase its weight, which reduce its speed and mobility to position itself in all battle situations on top of just putting more strain on logistic and reducing range because you will need more fuel for the same distance. I'm also curious how this would interact with reactive armour since reactive armour itself explode but with a cage around that explosion would be contained.
@@ponytoast1231 Thought I replied to this, yet it's not here now? weird.
Anyway. What I said then was:
Those are all pretty big drawbacks for sure, but do you know what is an even bigger drawback? Exploding into pieces because a 500 dollar drone flew 20kg of high explosives into the turret side.
There's some very confused Farmers out there when they woke up and realized the roof of their sheds are missing.
they will get their roofs back with 'interest'
Who stole my chook house!
First the farmers stole the Russian equipment and now the Russians are stealing the farmers' barns.
@@Hadrian9707 lmao
@@Hadrian9707 Haha golden comment.
why not plant some timed mines, to account the delay between the mine sweeper part and the tank behind it?
I wonder if the odd shapes affect sensor fused munitions and things like the millimetre wave seekers on brimstone?
This just shows how big of a problem cheap and easy to manufacture FPV drones have become on the modern battlefield.
You could even draw a chart showing the correlation between drone effectiveness and size of target plus its speed and lack of maneuverability.
In other news, I wonder why the US navy is terrified to sail anywhere near Yemen right now? There's no way a tiny drone fleet from some random country could wipe out several carrier strike groups, right?
@@audhauwidh It cant lol, but it can do damage for sure. People have done the math on payloads needed to sink a carrier. But good bait ngl.
Exactly. Looking at cost comparisons of just one modern main battle tank versus price of FPVs needed to kill that tank, you'd still have a shit tonne of money left over to make a thousand more FPVs.
@@audhauwidh I forget the technical term for the concept, but basically it's advantageous to keep your distance if you have a longer strike range than the enemy. You can hit them but they can't hit you. Half the evolution of weapons throughout history was just progressively adding reach so you can hit the other guy before he can hit you
Same concept here, US ships can reach out and touch Yemen from far out of range of everything but their longer range anti ship missiles (that are easier to spot coming and shoot down at that range). Getting closer is an unnecessary risk.
Bottom line camping at long range can be extremely effective in real wars.
@@audhauwidh
Drones could damage ships and even a carrier but sinking it is a completely different matter.
I consider the reason why this works is because Russia and Ukraine have such vast terrain that need to be crossed. In dense and urban areas I see the downsides would take over.
Густонаселённый район всегда можно превратить в мало населенный. А потом спокойно кататься на танках 😉
@@adison6340 it'll probably cost you hundreds of thousands of artillery shells to pull that off. Not to mention, that such a constant barrage will definitely put your artillery and crews in rather vulnerable positions, to be targeted by counter artillery.
A war of attrition is basically what russia tried so hard to avoid and failed miserably
@@adison6340 say that to the russians and germans at stalingrad. blown up cities are nightmare environments for any living thing. it was hell on earth then, i cannot imagine what a modern day equivalent would be like now.
They dont use turtle tanks in close combat
@@bobgatewood5277 провал у тебя в штанах, проверяй
Having watched more than one person talk about these, people with actual military experience and some tankers who have since retired, it really seems like these do the job pretty well unless Ukrainians just start hitting every other vehicle in the column and ignoring the turtle tank until they can get a proper weapon on it, arty or an anti tank missile. Those sorts of weapons will just ignore the shell completely, but the shell works pretty well against drones, so if defenders try and use drones against them, it is not as horrible an idea as it would seem at first glance.
When I first saw one of these "turtles", I immediately remembered that they have a Maus at Kubinka tank museum.
1980: George miller: "Yes this is going to happen in the future of course after a full war!"
2024: *Mad Max Music intensifies.*
Russians know Mad Max is going to be reality soon so they are preparing.
The initial reaction I had to these modifications was that the Russian tank turret is now limited in its ability to traverse to engage targets to the flanks or rear. They may as well bring back the SU series of casemated guns, no turrets and a built-in turtle back!
So far the Russians are only using them in areas where they don't encounter enemy tanks or even IFVs (like Bradleys or CV90s). The limited traverse is a drawback, but in the areas where they're used the advantages are worth the drawbacks.
Yeah, all bradleys and tanks are busy in moscow exhibition.
@@fiendishrabbit8259 CV 90 are uselles in this war. Bradlay against tank are also questionable.
It wouldnt really matter when they could just use it as a mobile artillery while the armour at the back does the job. Tank on tank battle in this war is so rare.
@@stolek6908 3 days ago there was a video of a bradly killing a t-80. TOW missile is hardly questionable
they laugh and laugh and then they cry. The Western powers will never learn. Never underestimate the Russian's ingenuity. Simple but effective.
We laugh because it took the brightest minds in your military this long to come up with a child like response to protecting themselves from off the shelf drones you can buy at a toy store. Chicken wire and sheets of metal constructed like a 12-year-old's fort in the woods.
What happens if these tanks are attacked from any other angle outside the 10-20% view out the front now? Hilarious, you would never even see it coming or which way to orient the barrel, hell if a track is out you cannot even aim it anymore. You guys thought it would take a few hours to conquer Ukraine, but now we are years into this and still your military has done squat. A comedian has outsmarted your former KGB 'president'.
Your 'power' is only nukes (which you copied from the west BTW)... the rest is a joke, if you went up against the west in a full on war what's left of your military would be rendered useless. It won't be going up against gear and munitions that have sat in warehouses for decades, it will be on a whole new level not seen...
Decent for defense breaching and or modified APC. Limited driving visibility, lack of cannon angle range and possible limited mobility ( awkward size, added weight, large profile ) will be a challenge. Can FBVs use double charges without destroying themselves?
Russian tanks look like they were made by raiders from Fallout.
'Funny' thing is they also behave like Fallout raiders
@@adrianlopezfernandez2088 I mean raiders are actually an effective fighting force
@@ArousedRat1 You must suck at the game, raiders are the weakest enemies in the game, totally easy mode
@@adrianlopezfernandez2088brainwashed hamburger i quess?
@@tofu9052 blind incel neocon i quess?
Love/hate to see that crossouts spaced Armour meta is actually realistic under certain conditions, looks like when it comes to anti-drone precautions this will be the new norm for those without electronic defences
Yes! I was looking for this.
Ahhhh man that game and that stupid spaced armour meta!
Did not expect a crossout reference, but is a welcome one.
does that game still have a playerbase? i'm genuinely surprised to see a crossout comment here
I tend to call these one of two names: tutel, or the garden shed.
It's quite sad how long it takes western tank manufacturers to add cameras for better view, and then russians just use webcams and link those to an indoor screen to get around the limited vision of their tanks.
Turtle Tank needs a theme song.
Super Mario theme
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
blyat mobil
Tutel song can fit since it’s used on Hetzers and T95 tanks
2:30 am is the song
Are we finally returning to the golden age of armored vehicles?
Casemate Tanks? What a time to be alive.
These turtle 🐢 tanks also have a Jamming system, to make drones useless, they're breakthrough tanks opening the way for other vehicles to advance
Comment feels like a bit of bad taste. People are fighting and dying. Hardly feels like there's anything joyous about what's happening as your comment seems to suggest, even if it is ironically.
@@NATESORDon’t care. If you have the energy to sit here and poor your heart out about how strongly you feel for poor Ukraine and muh “bad taste” then how about you get off your ass and go fight with them?
@@CaiusCosades44 you will care if or when a conflict affects you or someone you personally know. lol
@@chocolates6651 that would require him to know anyone, i don't think he has much contact outside of NPC's in games.
good work
When there hasn't been a real air war, and nobody really owns the skies yet, you get this silliness. Enough tandem-warhead missiles will make turtles obsolete again.
Owns the skies? With planes? Against small birdlike drones? Are you dumb, or just want to sound smart?
And laser swords will make guns obsolete.
Amazing to see how evolution works in span of days instead of years or decades.
If this was developed in the west it would cost 2trillion dollars and would take 15 years to do.
Evolution is proportional to environmental pressure.
Let’s not call this evolution, please.
Evolution is an anti-theist meme and a scam
@@StarAD it kind of is, the cope cage first used in russia and now every one is using it, now they using turtle tanks, I wonder how Israel would use it in gaza against RPG rounds.
The tank appears at 4:00 actually have 2 part clip showing it taking multiple fpv drone and keep moving like nothing happens.
Even without the cages fpv drones take about 10 or more to even do significant damage to the tank, the videos we see of tanks getting taken out are typically stationary abandoned vehicles that are decommissioned by dropping a charge into the tank and disabling the control systems, Its a cheap drone with a low yield warhead, they aren't stinger missiles.
@@thomasbriscoe2357 10 or more? 1 or 2 fpv drones with rpg rounds can already stop the tank. And a tank that can not move will be abandoned. We already seen too many videos of that.
@@thomasbriscoe2357 For Western tanks one is enough because it hits the weak top turret armor and immediately detonates the shells stored in the blast door
@@thomasbriscoe235710 or more from Atgm's, drone usually only need 2, one to disable and the second for final blow
I really can't wait to see what effect this has on the evolution of armored warfare
Probably none. If it was working rusia would move the frontline.
It sure makes them a sitting duck for an attack from anywhere but the front.
That's not done in tank plants. That's just creativity of soldiers on font. That's hand-made things and each tank is unique.
Soldiers make some shit just to feel safe. Ive seen people put wood as an armor. Obviously its just for morale
@@darugdawg2453 wood actually work against heat shells and rpg by making them explode early. does not work too well for kinetic shells.
@@darugdawg2453 ??? No this shit works because it keeps drones for flying onto their rooves. Otherwise all you need is a drone with a small shaped charge. Shaped charge ain't gonna do shit from 5 feet away.
Your cope cage has evolved, you now have a turtle shell!
I wonder how long it takes, till it evolves to a full scale medieval siege tower
@@Shadow25720 basicly thats what you have , weak spot in tracks , get them the taker yer time distroying it
if you turn a turtle upside down he will go nowhere.
I dont get why all of a sudden people are making fun of russia's improvised slat armor. The israelis invented it and caught no ridicule. The u.s. uses cope cages as well 🤷♂️.
@@SDLXVImost ppl who follow this conflict on social media are bots, trolls and random kids who hype things for no reason 😂
I guess the next step might be added Earth onto the metal shell, using basically unlimited protection material ,the crews could ship on again with a shovel after battle.
giving me A7V/Saint-Chamond vibes with the limited range of the turret
Holy crap we are going old school with tank design again. 4:30 It looks like ww1 Saint Chamond tank with a mine roller in the front.
funny cause the tactics are ww1 like too, obviously apart from the drones.
I was thinking that they are reverting to the WW1 German 'Landschiff' design. The tank's track are still the most vulnerable part.
i made a bet with my feeind when the Ukraine war started that it would devolve into ww1 like trench warfare the turrtle tanks are just the cherry on top
It´s funy how in science fiction war goes back to the middle ages in combat style and aesthetics as consequence of high tech innovations. For example, warriors using personal force-field shields make fire weapons obsolete, so the enemy adapt and use plasma swords that can cut through the new shields.
@@lmeseguer001 You will look at the variety of cold steel assault units of the First World War: from homemade daggers and machetes to brass knuckles and morgensterns and other crushing weapons. The same creativity of ordinary soldiers trying to survive in the difficult conditions of the massacre.
And people were joking about why all tanks in warhammer look like bricks, they work and tank shots? Perfect.
The Warhammer universe is far more deadly and lethal than ours, they need all the armor and weapons
Still completely and utterly useless against Javelins and NLAWS lol, not to mention it might as well not even be there when shot by an enemy tank (which the Russian tanks already lose out on penetration and armor protection compared to western designs). Some thin sheet metal isn't going to do anything to deter these types of weapons.
This only helps against FPVs and simpler AT missiles, and the limited visibility and maneuverability makes this clearly only something suited to tanks on the front column with mine rollers.
@@weasle2904 3 Javelins hitting BMP 2.
BMP 2: Huh? Something tickels me.
And Russians think if the paint it red it will move faster.
Still waiting for the baneblade to show up. " ready to unleash all 11 barrels "
Whichever side fields 5000 stugs at once will overwhelm the drones and they’ll “win”.
Business Idea: Turtle Tank after-market pre-manufactured kits.
If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid.
Its not really working. These vehicle cannot properly use any of their weapons.
@@derekschoots the job of these vehicle arent to destroy the enemy with weapons, these vehicles is more of a "shield" to the columns behind it whos actually gonna destroy the enemy and the turret doesnt entirely stuck on one position it still can traverse in some degree. it succesfully breakthrough the ocheretyne line and you can see the video it survived 8 fpv drone hits.
@@circleboi4900 How does it shield other vehicles against drones? The EW units on these turtle tanks have very little range. How are they even going to use the guns if they can't see around them?
@@derekschoots you're missing some points of the video above. By placing turtle tank as the spearhead of a column, it draws the attention of an fpv drone operator to target that turtle tank because it's the spearhead and it's the biggest target that's why you see all 8 fpv drones spent on that turtle tank and it prevented the column behind it getting targeted, so yes it's a "shield". They don't look for enemy, the Friendly drones are the one who look for enemy then report it to the turtle tank and it's more effective than the tank commander looking by himself (a tanker in the comment said this). As for guns, the turtle tanks only look for a target in front of it, the column behind it is the one who cover the sides. These turtle tanks works fine in the battlefield, one video shows it survived multiple mine and dozens of fpv drone attacks. By doing these, the ukrainians would need to spend more of their shortening drones supply on a single tank and it benefits the ruskis.
@@circleboi4900 You think the drone operators can't see the other vehicles from above? 8 fpv drones and a couple of landmines are still way cheaper than a turtle tank with crew. A tank has to be able to see its surroundings. Its why every tank build after ww1 has multiple visors to look around.
I been telling y'all. They gonna slap ERA on those turtles.
I feel like that would make it way to heavy.
Nope, they can't afford it. @@oisinmurphy8747
@@oisinmurphy8747 That depends on the ERA used
@@oisinmurphy8747 Russian tanks are about 25-30% lighter than western ones so they can add whatever they want.
Wouldn’t that just blow all the outer steel off in the first hit?
The vulnerable part is the tracks.
Drones should damage tracks. Then steal the tank with the amo. Remember these tanks can not see to the side. They can not turn the turret.
Blyatmobiles!
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😂😂
the maximum expected creativity of foreigner inventing a name be like: ^^^^^^
@@worldoftancraft The maximum expected mental capacity of a schill for totally the bestest military in the world be like: ^^^^^^
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You can tell when those jammers effect the drone within 25-50ft of the tank
That tank was disabled and the jammer didn't work. All drones lose signal near the ground, because there are obstacles there. Which is why there's copious amounts of aerial drones but virtually no terrain drones.
@@michaelbuckers I saw the drone hit but I noticed the interference just before the hit from the Radio emissions I'm assuming from the jammer was all I hope none the jammers are totally effective not until every t72 t80 and T90 Russia has is on fire anyways
@@jberry1982 The tank was dead. And so was the jammer. DUH. Loss of signal near ground is a purely natural effect. Additionally, jammers affect only the drone, not the control point. Even if drone is fully jammed, if it sends any footage it'll get received fine.
Jammers can scramble any signal whether outgoing or incoming. So if it was working properly no the control point wouldn't be getting *any* information from the drone. That could be defeated with the use of tethered drones...
Also just because a tank isn't moving doesn't mean it's "dead". The batteries in a tank can keep auxiliary hydraulic pumps and other primary systems (sights, communication equipment) going for many hours. This includes powering a jammer.
@@leongibson5429 Mate, picture for a minute how radio data transmission even works. And tell me again how is it supposed to jam the command post. I'll clue you in: in order to have radio data transmission, receiver must pick up a signal with good enough dynamic range (noise to signal ratio) to decipher the contents of the signal. Jammers work by radiating broadband noise, as to reduce dynamic range to the point that the radio receiver cannot extract any data from the signal. As per common radiation traits, inverse square law applies. For a drone this means that as it moves away from controller and closer to jammer, it gets weaker command signal and stronger jammer noise. The same is NOT true for the command point video receiver, because it's not getting any closer to the jammer. That's not to mention, the jammers are specifically tuned to block drone control signal bandwidth, and usually completely ignore the feedback footage bandwidth (because the real life physics are not conducive to jamming it).
Now I'd appreciate if you stopped making things up as you go just to prove a point (hint: made up "facts" don't prove anything)
It wouldn't be all that difficult or complex to make two separate shield cage combos one for the turret and one for the main body of the tank that droops slightly in front of the tracks. This would allow the turret to turn 360° while still maintaining drone protection
Its amazing how quick people adapt to field conditions like this.
It looks rather postapocalyptic, but seems it works.
seems that it doesn't
@@sergeydenisov15 Even the "we shall be in Moscow in three weeks" kind of Ukrainian media say it does work against the kinds of attacks it's intended for. It was never supposed to work against javelins or artillery hits.
@@jankrynicky and what Russian media kind of said of being in Kiev in three days? do you recall that?
@@sergeydenisov15 Of course I do. I don't see the relevance.
Both sides underestimated the enemy. Only one seems to have taken the lesson to heart.
@@jankrynicky and which one? I'm all ears
This actually reminds me of russian game called Crossout i used to play some time ago. In the game you could actually build your own vehicle with various parts and basically it looked very similiar to these improvised setups. Especially one time javelin type of weapon was favored and people started to counter it by straping some more armor on the roof.
Spaced armor was/is king in that arena. Stopped playing that game because they're basically owned and operated in by Russian companies.
@@jenkem4464 I stopped playing because it gets dull quickly, couldn't give a turtles fuck who made it. US corporations are far worse by any metric.
@@jenkem4464 You should also stop playing games operated by American companies you NPC
@@jenkem4464 and what did those companies do bad to you??
@@jenkem4464"i didn't buy a russian game, that will deal a major blow to the russian government"
Thanks for explaining what fpv is
First Person View, they're essentially small, very manoeuvrable drones with an explosive payload. They're quite cheap and Ukraine has come to rely on them. Thanks for watching.
Fascinating development. Drones are cheap and difficult to stop, but compared to a kinetic projectile they have barely any penetrative power. I wonder what the next gen of tanks will look like.
The Hetzer returneth. God the tank at 4:12 looks fucking sick. I'd love to make that thing with LEGO or COBI bricks.
Maybe you’ll fight it in some years, fingers crossed!
hetzer 2.0 russian edition
General dynamics = we think that upgrade will cost about 100 billion, sir.
Some random Russian guy = get me a welding machine, electrodes, bottle of vodka, as much sheet metal and mesh you can find, pack of cigarettes' too. DAVAAAJ, SYKA!
Only problem the tank now cant see anything or traverse the gun properly
@@joseaca1010 Drones are looking instead of them, and they still can traverse the hull. I know it looks ridiculous; but it obviously works.
@@shonemumy traversing the hull isnt a good solution when you can only fire forwards, specially with the horrible reserve speed of russian tanks
Also, drones are looking for them? You mean the same drones they are supposed to be jamming?
@@joseaca1010 I meant friendly drones probably acquire and relay targets for the crew. Not my first language.
@@shonemumy and how do you stop enemy drones from using the same radio frequency as friendly ones? When it comes to EW you cannot JUST allow friendly drones
I recognized the design : those are A-team trucks covered with thin sheet of metal by barracuda 😂
Nice garden shed...
Looks like shack on tracks. MAD MAX STYLE!
it's much harder to target vulnerable spots because you can't see them
i think they also hide drone jamming equipment which is hard to destroy because you can't see it either
It seems however less of a threat to other tanks. Sooooo
@@melon9680So what. Tank v. Tank engagement are not the common at the moment; drones are more likely to be encountered than another tank. Is it any wonder why so many of the new Western tanks aren't getting utilized so far unlike armored vehicles like the Bradleys.
@@mmmhmmm8236 But when you make your tank blind and useless then why shouldn't tank v tank take place? War is about adapting. Just because something is, doesn't mean it always has to be.
@@mmmhmmm8236 People around here think it's cool as a returning ww2 idea, but failed to mention that these tanks were fought in specific ways by allied forces to counter them. Sticky bombs, or point blank RPG fire or taking advantage of the fact that it's vulnerable to more mobile vehicles and fire from the sides or just better tanks overall.
@@melon9680 Those are not comparable to traditional casemate designs, they didn't change the armor layout of the tank, it's still a normal tank bellow, just added a heavily spaced armor, more comparable would be the sideskirts in some WWII german tanks for instance.
regardless of politics, this is fascinating, they look like elefant/ferdinand german anti-tank during ww2
"Sir, we're being attacked by a tool shed, chicken cage and something from Mad Max.
I love the layered shopping cart look.
But what are the homeless people going to use to move their stuff around?
4:44 put hens inside the cages, youll get also a supply tank!!!!
Fresh egg every morning 😂😂😂
It feels like the Interwar period, when people were designing all different designs and seeing what sticks. The Turtle tank might just be a very early version of something just seen as default in the future.