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If only 1 guy per squad is gonna get this, makes more sense just to give him a semi auto shotgun. It has more uses than shooting down drones, especially in urban combat
In my opinion, shotguns are practically useless, both against drones and in urban combat. Unless you're using a duckbill choke and shooting birdshot, your buckshot grouping is going to be smaller than 2 inches within 15 feet, it offers no advantage to a rifle.
@@steezydan8543 from what I understand they are used for door breaching in urban combat. And You would have to be pretty skilled to hit a drone at 15 to 30m with a rifle. There is a reason people generally don’t shoot skeet or duck hunt with rifles.
If you were refering to an army following the geneva convention I'd disagree, but it's russia we are talking about here. As far as I know, using shotguns on combatans is banned because those are deemed weapons to main, rather then weapons to kill.
@@paulthiessen6444 The problem is that it's not worth developing dedicated anti-drone shotguns when it's just a stop-gap solution. The real way to counter drones is to have a TROPHY-like system that uses AI to shoot the drones down instead, or employing EW jammers.
@@steezydan8543 There is NO AI in the Trophy. Its all Hard-Coded ffs. STOP with these buzzwords when you dont have any clue what you are talking about.
I think the problem is you only get one shot and it requires that you have a grenade launcher already which not every solder has. It's also not all that cheap.
I mean shotguns have been used in combat longer than rifles, muskets are technically shotguns as they have no rifling. Having said that, why they haven't added say a sawn off pump action or a Russian made MTS-225 revolver shotgun to an AK is beyond me. Least then you'd get multiple shots, plus you wanna be using birdshot not buckshot to take out a drone you A wanna definitely ensure you hit it and B it's only a plastic or metal prop you've gotta knock out to cause it to crash
@@hordegaming4771 FPVs move at such speeds that you don't get multiple shots anyway. It takes them less than 2 seconds to go from the far edge of your effective range and directly into your face. Underbarrel shotguns like masterkey are very heavy and hang off the front end of the gun, this affects your gun's accuracy extremely adversely. If you wanted to shoot at people further than 200 meters away I would even recommend doing away with suppressors, since those also make your rifle extremely front-heavy and unwieldy. Underbarrel grenade launchers are reasonably lightweight so having one is not a big hindrance, and the utility of lobbing frag grenades great distances is WAY greater than the utility of killing people point blank which your assault rifle can already do and better.
It's definitely something, but part of me does think this is more of a peace of mind system rather than one that'll have genuine impact. Most of the drone drops I've seen against infantry have been from so high up that they didn't even know they were being targeted until a 60mm mortar round was at their feet, and FPV drones are much smaller and faster than the drones seen in the demonstration. Maybe with practice they'll work, but that is some insanely hard to get experience given that if you mess up once you are pretty much done for. I still think the real solution is just equipping a soldier with an actual shotgun. The cheapest shotguns are not much more than double the cost of this device and can fire multiple shots in sequence.
To me a long barrel and tube 12 or even 10 gauge shotgun would be perfect, with a 20 or possibly 24" barrel and a choke firing birdshot. You could probably keep a 4" spread even out to 100m with that thing, you probably could. Mount a even bog standard (so funny saying this mind) scope to it too, with back up top mounted irons? And you'd have to be an insane drone pilot to be able to hit your target if spotted
It will do very little. Fpv drones are way too fast, other drones are generally too high, it's a single shot in a grenade launcher that you basically never see on the field, the accuracy is gonna be dog shit. There's nothing here that will really do much besides siphon money from the government lol
I suppose price will drop significantly after these devices will start its mass production. Also I wonder could they fit two or three shells in that grenade launcher? that could significantly increase a saturation especially if loaded with different types of cartridges (buckshot and birdshot). However I think best option would be to create a dedicated shotgun shell made specifically for this grenade launcher, like US army did for M79 back in Vietnam
Yeah, but there's a reason old ideas only stay ideas. There's a difference between your underslung breeching with OObuck and your underslung being able to hit hit a swift and nimble copter with duck shot. One needs experience and you ain't gonna get that shooting at balloons.
sorta the point of it lol its not meant to be a main weapon, just meant to be a oh shit we need something to help knock this drone down. It is small so easy to carry for someone that already has a underbarrel, now that weapon has 3 fire modes
My question is how common are these launchers over there? If it's like one in ten men or worse, just give every X man a pump action as well as his rifle, and let the grenadier, grenadier. Maybe there's a shortage in shotguns that I'm missing?
Gotta appreciate the guy in the video taking down a drone from a distance where he is still almost definitely within the frag radius of whatever the drone can carry And, dear god, the manual ejection. Yeah, there's a good reason the guy ejects an unspent shell in the video.
yelp and gp25 can have shotgun rounds as well. since not hard to make those. instead they made a worse option. Literally a break action shotgun pistol is better then this expensive pipe within a pipe. might fuck your wrist, but you can reload and use very fast and easily.
I couldn't find any references or pictures of buckshot rounds for the GP-25 outside of games. The propellant and primer for VOG-25 is in the base of the grenade which is muzzle loaded, not a breech-loaded case + round like other systems. So for a shotgun round to work the part containing the primer and propellant would also have to leave the barrel at the same time as the pellets. That's why this system is so clumsy because of the inherent caseless design of the GP-25.
That's the big problem with both this thing and that other Ukrainian handheld device, not only do you have to hit the small moving target in the sky you have to find the thing coming to you first.
Reinventing the wheel here. Hunting shotguns have been perfected for over a century, can shoot down moving targets at greater distances and are available to buy for the price of a pair of boots.
Drone operators should also be asked to fly their drones at low speed and in a straight line. And if the first shot does not hit the drone, make a detour and wait 2 minutes for a reload.
i give them an A for effort, since the way it reuses the GL is clever, but this is very impractical, its a single shot MUZZLE LOADING-BREECH LOADING shotgun, meaning you pretty much only have 1 shot, because reloading takes the better part of a century, at that point, it might be best to just try your luck with the AK normal firing mode even if they had something like the MasterKey or the M26, they need a better method of detecting drones other than looking up
One of the rare cases, where I'd disagree with the things said in the video. This seems about as useful as a bayonet on a pistol. Too cumbersome to use, single shot, too few GP-25s for saturation per squad, and filling a role that a cheap pump-action would do far better, for slightly more effort. Mass-building small, light shotguns would seem like a better idea than this.
There are some units, like ATGM carriers, who can't bring a shotgun with them. Having this will be better than nothing. But this thing does not seem like something that is going to solve drone problem, just a niche "save someones life perhaps" solution
@@gauss_gun I strongly disagree with "better than nothing". This is a huge steel tube, which is going to be a fairly significant amount of weight on its own. Meanwhile, the effectiveness of this is unlikely to be very high. I'll be extremely surprised if this manages to shoot down a single drone throughout the remainder of the war. FPV drones are much much too fast to swing this out and start loading, and then somehow manage to hit it as they swoop in at 150km/h. Meanwhile recon drones are going to be flying well outside of this thing's reach. It's just more useless weight. Not that I would ever want to stop the enemy when they're doing something stupid, mind you..
@@capnceltblood5347 no, it did not. drone fly really fast. you have couple of seconds before drone hit, so best you can do is just try to aim your CURRENT weapon, fire and hope. And in that case additional shotgun shell is extremely helpfull
There should be two raised rings near the end of the muzzle of the adapter. The ring closest to the muzzle prevents your fingers from going past the muzzle and the second ring for pushing the adapter in and pulling it out.
@@dddddyyn No it wasn't. Where do you get this nonsense from? The Master Key is a door breaching tool from the 1980s not a combat shotgun. Did much door breaching in the Mekong Delta did they numb nuts?
This is a joke. The movie "Predator" came out almost 40 years ago. The character Billy had a pump shotgun receiver and barrel mounted under his M16. A one shot, 2 minute reload is beyond useless and in fact is an insult to the troops.
@@user-bh5ql2oc9i so non professional trap shooters under combat stress won't miss? And that thing admits 35 meter range and I doubt that. I hunt waterfowl over decoys and a nice 3.5 inch 12 gauge full choke 30" barrel is good out to 60 to 65.
@@mikect500 the 35 metre range for that setup is probably optimal max,testing done with# 3 shot had a 14 and half inch pattern at 25 ft using 3 in 12 gauge 1500 velocity, probably full choke no mention of barrel length
What I cant wrap my head around is why this is a reusable steel component when it really needs to be a disposable pre-loaded unit you just throw away. The barrel sleeve only needs to be good for one shot.
I can appreciate this for the innovation, but the Tsas12 is literally $120 for a pump action that has a 5+1 capacity. I think the drones are simply beyond the range a shotgun can actually get them before it's too late 🤔 If this worked we'd have seen mass issuance of Saiga12, good for drone, good for trench clearing, but we dont see that afaik.
This is just another tool for the toolbox of the soldiers. It's not a end-all-be-all sorta kit, it's just gonna allow them to protect themselves better against FPV drones, as these fly directly towards their target, and they usually fly low to avoid detection. Shotguns are heavy and another piece of kit to keep functioning, not to mention the cost of mass-rollout of a new weapon. This device is a "gap" weapon, that they can quickly rollout while they develop a more permanent solution.
The thing is, this system allows many more soldiers to take advantage of it. While a dedicated shotgun would indeed be better, it's additional gear to carry, fewer persons having access to it, and additional strain on logistics. While this does not seem optimal, at least it's just an adapter for a system that many more soldiers already use. It doesn't seem as cumbersome than a whole shotgun, and shouldn't strain logistics as much either. As for everything, it's a matter of compromise. And both shotguns+this adapter will probably be used in tandem anyway. The point is just to give as many soldiers the ability to take out drones without hindering on their tactical and operational capabilities too much. I think this is a pretty smart idea they went with. Have to see the efficiency now, and that only time will tell.
Well maby from a 12/70 shotgun yes, but 12 gauges comes in 12/76 up to 12/89 chambering, wich Is really common in East europe made shotguns. Also, the 10 gauge would mop the floor with range and spread pattern. Yes, shotguns are not optimal as anti drone weapons, but are by far the cheapest
I heard the Russians are issuing Vepr shotguns for anti FPV drones, but I don't see why a low capacity low penetration, shotgun would be better than a full auto high capacity AK for trenches. When has shotguns ever been preferred for CQB after compact full auto firearms were invented? Even the dedicated trench assault units don't use shotguns.
@@jarink1 The VOG is a caseless style munition. The whole shell lobs out of the gun. The 40mm in US service is cased. A shotgun round is not possible in this setup.
@@SpadesNeil i mean, you could use the same exact unloading mechanism that this is using, but there's no manufacturing for it that already exists, and that would take more development than a glorified pipe shotgun.
It's painful how much ignorance is packed into this one comment. Let me put this into perspective for you.... If a Russian soldier saw a video for a new "master key" underbarrel attachment for the AK74 to combat drones, their first response would be "Why take away our GP-30s for a shotgun we'd rarely use when we could just have a 9000 ruble adapter that fits in our pocket and can be swapped out as needed?" And if you think it's not innovative then why didn't you invent it first? You could have made millions selling it to RU and UA. But I guess you're just too smart for that...
@@baron3904 “and if you think it’s not innovative then why didn’t you invent it first” literally answers his question. Tf do you mean I didn’t read it???
With the cost, and how low I've heard some grenade costs can go; I'm a little surprised they wouldn't just make a full shot cartridge for the launcher. I'm pretty sure the US had a shot round for their 40mm in Vietnam, so I know it's workable. My guess is that, when you want a hell of a lot of light shot (which you do for drones) and you also want it to have good range, you need that shot to move quickly, hence they're using these barrel extensions for 12 bore shells. Still seems like a rather clunky. I'd think having one guy out of ten with a pump action as well as his rifle would still be a better fix. I also have to say it's pretty funny how they're pretty much made a muzzle-loading-breach-loading shotgun 😂 Btw, "bore" is English - "le gauge" is French
The drone warfare in the Ukraine is no joke. If you hop on the YNC and go to the war page its filled up with mostly all drone attacks on both sides. Its sick... (not in the cool kinda sick either) Honestly its terrifying to me to see how real people out there is doing everything from playing dead, killing themselves and just being tortured by these drones. Dudes out there all alone... wounded and abandoned by their squad. Just getting these grenades dropped on em. Just waiting there to die horribly... Its sad. I say a little prayer for all those fallen in that war. Their families and all of em. Its pretty crazy how effective these drones are and I personally think its our first real glimpse into piloted AI warfare... which I think will be what war eventually evolves into. Remotely piloted robots of all kinds. I mean it wont be long and well be seeing and hearing about unmanned remotely piloted tanks and shit. And these guys piloting this shit are SICK. Maybe its because watching these deaths thru a screen slightly takes the reality of it away and makes it feel less...significant. Like watching people get blown up on a movie or tv show vs you being there, feeling the explosions and hearing the screams and sounds of agony from broken warriors. I do prey that those who are dealing with the scariest shit out there I prey gods with them and their families. Cause the shit going down out there is no joke. These are all just young men who aint even really started life yet as an adult and some of them are out there right now, tourniquets applied to their legs and arms, laying in a field somewhere waiting for one of these drones to finish him off. While we sit at our computers and talk about it.
there's a bias of exposure, drone attacks are both way easier to record and propagandize and there are enough that you don't notice the omission of failed attacks. It's like seeing only video of car crashes over and over and thinking the wheel was the most dangerous invention of all time.
It’s not exactly psychopaths it’s people who have been desensitized to their own emotions and by default the emotions of others throw in some ethnocentrism and of course propaganda the most well adjusted people can become absolute monsters against their fellow man.
Eh, if only one gun in your squad has an underbarrel grenade launcher, losing that just to get a single shot of what may just be birdshot is a pretty bad trade-off. Better to just have one guy as the designated drone shooter and give him an actual shotgun.
It's really more for reassurance than practicality. Even dedicated shotguns are practically useless, even under control conditions. Notice in test footage they're shooting balloons and hovering drones. As opposed to FPV drones charging at full speed.
as said before, shotguns are basically worthless as a drone counter. oh and UBGLs are universally much more saturated than you think, often having 1 per fireteam (2-3 per squad) because explosives happen to be incredibly effective
What impressed me most about this video was your narration. Good voice, speaking with clarity and eloquence, liberal use of pauses which is particularly refreshing as many narrators on this platform tend to speak incessantly which hinders retention of information. I'm also reasonably impressed with the gun.😎
fast forward a bit to a artillery gun that launches drones at the same rate and distance as standard shells with just enough A.I in them to lock on a target in the last couple hundred yards and nudge its trajectory...Artillery as we know it but even more accurate..
@@tubekrake its very expensive when made in the west.. with its bloated arms budgets but those are not the only people in the game...as a good example look to the havoc Russia has been causing with dumb bombs fitted with dirt cheap GPS (Equivalent) glide kits... the cost of these units compared to Western JDAMS and their equivalents really hammers home that this can be done very cheaply...by merging old tech with new,
Always been super interested in anti-drone tech since they started getting popular. Problem with any handheld weapon is that regardless of how good the weapon/ammo is, it's still very difficult to hit a small moving target in the sky, especially one as nimble as a drone.
Also i think its effective range due to the "tube" length won't help the soldier. I'm pretty sure that even if you hit a drone at the marketed 15 to 30 meters you're still gonna get hit by shrapnel when that thing explodes.
A single shell in a simple tube might as well hold a custom 4 inch high brass. Just don't roll a 3.5 and glue a varnished over-shot card on top or that x cut plastic cap thing. Don't f around, dump 2 ounces at it. Could be more with the mixed size shot that has no empty space in the load.
@@lincolnclay898 You have 3 seconds to hit it if it is headed at you and you only have one shot. You better get it within the first second. This is most useful against boom droppers.
whereas the probability of being KIA when its at 0 meters is zero ? right ? er no .. Those bomblets used on many drones wouldn't not be in the kill radius at 30 meters .. injury though ? perhaps..
Yes, like Fkn Saiga costs like ~1000$ +-200$ on different markets and its a decent shotgun with 30 barrel mag(if you need to go that extreme) this just sounds like another corrupted scam
This is not new idea. They have 12 gauge adapters for m203/m79 for people to shoot at the range with. Only issue is the effective range is pretty limited since the barrel is so short.
What the people in the comments section fail to understand is that this is simple addon to existing weapons. Very easy. Practically every soldier can have a single shot ready to fire at all times. Setting up logistics for a 100K shotguns is a lot more difficult that sending out a bunch of these.
not really, whats the logistical difference between a shotgun and this POS. supplying the ammo is the same logistical burden. just the size and the cost. since a rifle has to be set up with a grenade launcher, not every soldier can be issued one anyway. once they're in a soldiers hand you just need to supply ammo, and shotguns are easy to maintain and relatively reliable.
@@alispeed5095 They already have shotguns placed around the trenches for anti FPV use. Good luck hitting an FPV with one shot from this garbage. Slow and big quadcopters like they shot in the video are already flying too high to hit with shotguns.
@@fridrekr7510 its better than nothing. If all men had access to this. They would all have a chance of defending themselves before a drone kills them. I donno about availability but to me, its impractical for men to carry an AK and a shotty. Russians arent always chilling in trenches where shotties are supposedly placed. You think the guys in Kharkov currently have the trenches luxury? Drones hunt them on the streets ;) Yet the drone threat remains and the impracticality of carrying 2 primaries doesnt change
@@alispeed5095 soldiers are already carrying around extra weapons. Whether that be RPGs, MANPADS or other extra heavier weapons. If you can get an extra advantage by carrying an extra weapon you should. you've got guys carrying backpacks full of extra grenades and magazines. whats one guy per squad with a shotgun slung on his back going to make a difference.
I have a Punt Gun, 10 bore 48 inch barrel, shot gun, it's made for killing several waterfowl "ducks/geese " with 1 shot , You should check out the Punt Gun for drone defense, there's tons of them in southern USA and England, Belgium ect . also used them
Feels a lot like a serious copium sale. One single digit inch barrel shotgun firing one shell at a stationary drone or balloon on a range vs actual combat conditions feels a bit like a paraplegic baby fighting Mike Tyson. The $109 price tag for essentially a piece of pipe doesn’t exactly instill confidence.
The only use I can see for this is for the bio spaced armor to now becomes bio reactive armor. Most of the videos don’t show Russian soldiers being chased carrying their guns by drones.
In America, for several years, there have been chamber adapters sometimes marketed as "zombie adapters" that allow one to shoot a smaller cartridge inside of a larger chamber. That is all this effectively is. There are some speciality use cases where chamber adapters can be handy, one might chamber down one chamber of a large anti-bear revolver to a small 22 caliber for small game purposes. This is likely great innovation for Russia, cheap light weight, disposable, allows them to show they are taking action to help the troops. A common shotgun, with lots of ammo for practice and time on the sheet range might be more effective.
Не занимайтесь профонацией. Проверьте на реальном фпв дроне 9 дюймов. С муляжом заряда в пару кг. Когда он разгоняется и летит на вас никакой выстрел не спасет от удара - он летит как камень по инерции вперед на скорости 100км/ч. Дрон не будет зависать перед вами чтобы вы его выцелили. Стандартная атака дроном это прицеливание метров со 100, до которых никакое ружье не достанет. А потом мгновенный разгон. В этот момент оператор может вообще убрать пальцы со стиков. Дрон летит по инерции в цель.
дроны разные бывают, и по разному атакуют, иногда петляют и по нескольку раз заходят на цель особенно если это человек, те что атакуют технику те да, летят быстро и прямолинейно, человек от такого просто увернется и отпрыгнет в сторону чему не мало примеров, а вот те которые специально против пехоты заточены, те медлительные и маневренные, примерно как на видео, такие иногда даже палками сбивают...
@@user-pz7ln3qf6m Вы про какое "увернуться и отпрыгнуть в сторону" пишите? Вы понимаете что на фпв дрон ставят 2кг пвв и 2кг шариков вокруг заряда? Там что в метре взрыв, что в 5 будет одно и тоже - смерть. Это тоже самое как "отпрыгнуть" от минометной мины 120мм!
В сво использую два типа бн для дронов: кумулятивная (пг7) и осколочная (заряд вв+оэ). Самый простой вариант осколка это мон50 или вкладыш озм72. С радиусом сплошного поражения 30-50м. Никуда и никто "отпрыгнуть" от такого не сможет.
The US tried a 40mm buckshot round in Vietnam, it didn't work very well. The problem as I understand it is that with the way that a grenade launcher is designed (barrel length, caliber, maximum pressure), you just can't accelerate the buckshot fast enough to be that effective.
There's millions of shotshells laying around. Custom machining a launcher adapter that gets reused is easier than machining thousands of grenade bodies to fire a buckshot load.
Seems like a pretty good idea to me. Loads of comments saying it's pointless because of this or that issue, but they're missing the point. Sure, this has its issues, but it's a cheap and simple way to add at least _some_ amount of anti-drone capability _right now_ to a lot of squads who might otherwise not have any. Yes, you could design something better given a bit of time, and get it manufactured given even more time. Fine, do that too. Sure, you only get one shot, so if you miss or there are multiple drones you're still screwed. But it's better than no shots, surely? For every problem you can think of there are going to be at least some situations where that problem doesn't apply, and so this thing will be useful in at least some situations. Would you rather have it or not? I'd rather have it.
These people have no idea what they talking about and still talk like they do because they played tons of battlefield games. This device is brilliant and lifesaving for individual soldiers while easy to carry and cheap to produce. If you even notice the small drones you only have seconds to react
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti No, it will do nothing. That has nothing to do with "video games," if anything yours is the video game perspective. You view shotguns as magic obliteration rays that destroy everything in a huge cone hundreds of yards long. If the FPV is prowling at a distance, this will not have the range to reach it. Once it's close and flying in at 100 mph there's no time to shoot,. It's useless junk.
Makes sense to cheaply retrofit already existing equipment. Its not meant to replace a proper shotgun. At the same time, it also removes your grenadier from having a grenade ready. The innovation is always interesting. We'll see this on forgotten weapons in 10 years though
"A new unparalelled device-" *IT'S A TUBE* (2 tubes welded together, one ½inch inside, the other 40mm outside. Is this the peak of russian engineering at this point?)
6:32 in the Russian army grenadiers are equipped with rocket launchers. Underbarrel grenade launchers are given out to senior riflemen, who otherwise fulfill the same purpose as an assistant squad/section leader in NATO armies
this device has some potential, i think, starting from the transition to 10 gauge (or even 4 gauge) and going further to caseless amunition-based devices that hold several rounds in one barrel, being initiated electronically in a consecutive order (like that once advertised metal storm)
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti strap bigger bombs to it and you have an unmanned bomber, but at that point you might as well just go back to a small spotting drone and use artillery
@@brigadgeneralvoid2508 spotting drones will just keep getting smaller, actual fly (as in the insect) sized observation drones just around the corner, wont that be something to fight against hm?
This reminds me of a shotgun used in COD Ghosts called the bulldog, which was based on a real gun that was a tube, muzzle loaded with a cylinder full of shells, and used an electrical firing mechanism. Could be mounted as an under barrel or with a stock like the M320. Hilarious how the Russians basically made a zip gun attachment for a grenade launcher. But it's so cheap I'd legitimately buy one
Mod of Russia give engineers Vepr shotgun - it is better version of saiga shotgun. but not for room and trenches because shotguns are shit against armor
An over-under or even a single-shot shotgun is a better choice. Single-shot shotgun can be produced cheaply and quickly but still relatively light with simple sling added. Load it with any commercial 3-inch No.4 buckshot with 41 pellets, it can be effective up to 40 meters hitting a FPV drone.
For anyone wondering why the Russians won't manufacture 40mm birdshot munition similar to the US Army M576 buckshot grenade for M203. Russian under-barrel grenade launchers of the GP family are caseless muzzleloaders and the propellant is inside the grenade itself. This means it is much harder (or even impossible) to design a caseless buckshot system which leaves no fouling in the barrel.
The rough idea of converting a underbarrel launcher has a ton of potential. I can imagine a specialized type of anti drone grenade being very effective
Its a really good idea... however how often are drones within birdshot range? its much easier than carrying around a shotgun but i dont know how practical it is. I imagine most drone operators are observing from afar... and if a drone is close enough to see you could probrably hit it easier with a regular rifle... but time will tell. Its definitely an interesting idea.
More serious problem is drone has super small size and the case made from plastic. Due to small and use electric motor, it's very hard to detect them from thermal and plastic does not reflect radar wave so radar completely blind
@@thatguysky123 not to mention when they are shooting clays, they're using custom over and under shotguns with 30inch chocked barrels so that the shot spread can be as tight as possible. The spread on these pipes would be huge and extremely hard to aim when mounted on a rifle.
2:28 is the picture for a stationary target at 30m. It's going to be much worse beyond that, projectiles will lose more energy and observer UAVs should be mostly fine, staying beyond effective range. Drones are incredibly hard to spot. They are really quiet, small and the sky is big. You may not get a lot of time to line up a shot. Lastly, they can be surprisingly quick and manoeuvrable. Just look at some FPV racing, it's crazy! Military purpose drones will eventually make use of quiet extreme evasive maneuvers. A single shot shotgun, attached to a "heavy" AK, doesn't seem the most effective defense. Even with a hit at 40m, that thing probably came from above and will continue on a ballistic trajectory. It's technically a solution, but I feel any semi or pump action would do a better job.
As a Duck hunter, a combat shotgun was my first thought of how to press something quickly into the field. Next figuring out the right shot size and flight control holder...❤
What do you think a nation is? Some lines on a map? There are millions of ethnic Russians in Donbas and Crimea. All the Western sources who went to the South East of Ukraine found demographic and democratic Majority were ethnic Russians who wanted Independence from Kyiv rule.
It's a good idea, but needing an adapter on the rear sight sounds very tricky. The distance between the sight and the barrel also likely limit the accuracy.
This reminds me of an old 1980's 2000ad Future Shock story where a group of soldiers are attacked by aircraft launched drones called Monkey Bombs. They would latch onto the backs of their targets before exploding. Its horrifying to think drone warfare is now prevalent to the point that individual soldiers can be targetted by drones you can barely see.
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Oh really? That's great, the more people who see them, find them interesting/useful the better. Thanks for letting me know!
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@@classifiedveteran9879 oh they aren't sharing the link to the video?
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From high speed low drag warfare. To the trenches era, meat grinder. And now, lo and behold, a honest to God. The muzzle loading shotgun.
Yea
Breach loading shotgun.
@@G.W-01yes but you have to muzzle load the whole shotgun
WHERES MY BLUNDERBUS????
@Armored_Ariete Dammit, you beat me to it!
If only 1 guy per squad is gonna get this, makes more sense just to give him a semi auto shotgun. It has more uses than shooting down drones, especially in urban combat
In my opinion, shotguns are practically useless, both against drones and in urban combat. Unless you're using a duckbill choke and shooting birdshot, your buckshot grouping is going to be smaller than 2 inches within 15 feet, it offers no advantage to a rifle.
@@steezydan8543 from what I understand they are used for door breaching in urban combat. And You would have to be pretty skilled to hit a drone at 15 to 30m with a rifle. There is a reason people generally don’t shoot skeet or duck hunt with rifles.
If you were refering to an army following the geneva convention I'd disagree, but it's russia we are talking about here.
As far as I know, using shotguns on combatans is banned because those are deemed weapons to main, rather then weapons to kill.
@@paulthiessen6444 The problem is that it's not worth developing dedicated anti-drone shotguns when it's just a stop-gap solution.
The real way to counter drones is to have a TROPHY-like system that uses AI to shoot the drones down instead, or employing EW jammers.
@@steezydan8543 There is NO AI in the Trophy. Its all Hard-Coded ffs. STOP with these buzzwords when you dont have any clue what you are talking about.
I think the problem is you only get one shot and it requires that you have a grenade launcher already which not every solder has. It's also not all that cheap.
Oh yeah just wonder the plains of Urine with the over n under looking for drones... rifles and machine guns just ignore you.
If this starts mass production.Then economies of scale will reduce the price to 5 USD
UGL are part of soldier gear in RAF. Every single troop will have it. Everyone will use it. It's got very nice ergonomics as well.
I mean shotguns have been used in combat longer than rifles, muskets are technically shotguns as they have no rifling.
Having said that, why they haven't added say a sawn off pump action or a Russian made MTS-225 revolver shotgun to an AK is beyond me.
Least then you'd get multiple shots, plus you wanna be using birdshot not buckshot to take out a drone you A wanna definitely ensure you hit it and B it's only a plastic or metal prop you've gotta knock out to cause it to crash
@@hordegaming4771 FPVs move at such speeds that you don't get multiple shots anyway. It takes them less than 2 seconds to go from the far edge of your effective range and directly into your face. Underbarrel shotguns like masterkey are very heavy and hang off the front end of the gun, this affects your gun's accuracy extremely adversely. If you wanted to shoot at people further than 200 meters away I would even recommend doing away with suppressors, since those also make your rifle extremely front-heavy and unwieldy. Underbarrel grenade launchers are reasonably lightweight so having one is not a big hindrance, and the utility of lobbing frag grenades great distances is WAY greater than the utility of killing people point blank which your assault rifle can already do and better.
It's definitely something, but part of me does think this is more of a peace of mind system rather than one that'll have genuine impact. Most of the drone drops I've seen against infantry have been from so high up that they didn't even know they were being targeted until a 60mm mortar round was at their feet, and FPV drones are much smaller and faster than the drones seen in the demonstration.
Maybe with practice they'll work, but that is some insanely hard to get experience given that if you mess up once you are pretty much done for. I still think the real solution is just equipping a soldier with an actual shotgun. The cheapest shotguns are not much more than double the cost of this device and can fire multiple shots in sequence.
To me a long barrel and tube 12 or even 10 gauge shotgun would be perfect, with a 20 or possibly 24" barrel and a choke firing birdshot.
You could probably keep a 4" spread even out to 100m with that thing, you probably could. Mount a even bog standard (so funny saying this mind) scope to it too, with back up top mounted irons? And you'd have to be an insane drone pilot to be able to hit your target if spotted
It will do very little. Fpv drones are way too fast, other drones are generally too high, it's a single shot in a grenade launcher that you basically never see on the field, the accuracy is gonna be dog shit. There's nothing here that will really do much besides siphon money from the government lol
yah. this is about protecting armor & fixed sites, not individuals.
it comes down to how much weight you want to put on your troop. Youre already wearing full kit, + armor + bag (if youre lucky).
I suppose price will drop significantly after these devices will start its mass production. Also I wonder could they fit two or three shells in that grenade launcher? that could significantly increase a saturation especially if loaded with different types of cartridges (buckshot and birdshot). However I think best option would be to create a dedicated shotgun shell made specifically for this grenade launcher, like US army did for M79 back in Vietnam
Tube within a tube.
Tube-ception
Noob tube
Tubes all the way down.
A Series Of Tubes
Muzzle loading a breach loader 🤯
It's an old idea but rarely used in combat. Innovation brings up old ideas sometimes
**MAXIM GUN HAS ENTERED THE CHAT**
Yeah, but there's a reason old ideas only stay ideas. There's a difference between your underslung breeching with OObuck and your underslung being able to hit hit a swift and nimble copter with duck shot. One needs experience and you ain't gonna get that shooting at balloons.
I can't tell if you're talking about the underbarrel shotgun that was like a thing in the 80's and 90's or the bird shot 40mm ammunition.
This seems pretty goddam desperate.
1 shot at 15-35m is...... not pretty.
@@mikeblair2594 bro shotguns are already use in ucraine to take down drones
Interesting, but it looks like a poor substitute for a proper shotgun.
Tbh it could be use as a substitute one shot mini shotgun if the AK is out of ammo in a mag to the enemy
That’s because it is
sorta the point of it lol its not meant to be a main weapon, just meant to be a oh shit we need something to help knock this drone down. It is small so easy to carry for someone that already has a underbarrel, now that weapon has 3 fire modes
Best gun is the one you have
My question is how common are these launchers over there? If it's like one in ten men or worse, just give every X man a pump action as well as his rifle, and let the grenadier, grenadier. Maybe there's a shortage in shotguns that I'm missing?
My dude your "rear sight adapter" is the cap off a pen...
And it's completely pointless.
@@immikeurnot ofc, the point is attached to the actual pen!
* drumroll hi hat rim shot style *
Gotta appreciate the guy in the video taking down a drone from a distance where he is still almost definitely within the frag radius of whatever the drone can carry
And, dear god, the manual ejection. Yeah, there's a good reason the guy ejects an unspent shell in the video.
And on the western side we have 40mm "shotgun rounds" for the M203 already
Dont know If they we're ever issued in mass but the russians also have shotgun rounds for this grenade launcher.
yelp and gp25 can have shotgun rounds as well. since not hard to make those. instead they made a worse option. Literally a break action shotgun pistol is better then this expensive pipe within a pipe. might fuck your wrist, but you can reload and use very fast and easily.
Russians have those too, and imo theyre a way better idea than this. especially if you could mount an attachment to increase the spread.
I couldn't find any references or pictures of buckshot rounds for the GP-25 outside of games. The propellant and primer for VOG-25 is in the base of the grenade which is muzzle loaded, not a breech-loaded case + round like other systems. So for a shotgun round to work the part containing the primer and propellant would also have to leave the barrel at the same time as the pellets. That's why this system is so clumsy because of the inherent caseless design of the GP-25.
Yep. They pack a hell of a lot more buckshot, too.
Effective range 15-30meters.
Good luck when the drone is coming at you with 30kph and you have ONE shot
When a drone is coming at you with 30kph, you probably won't realise it's there till it goes boom
That's the big problem with both this thing and that other Ukrainian handheld device, not only do you have to hit the small moving target in the sky you have to find the thing coming to you first.
It is not coming at you with 30kph. More like 300-400kph. And you only have one shot.
@@Willy_Tepes Most FPV drones tend to top out at 100kph, but that is still very fast.
two
I see the return of something like the Masterkey shotgun.
Masterkey weight 2.5kg this 350g
@@Elsuntanplus 1.5kg for the gp-25
Yeah but a Masterkey holds like 5 or 6 rounds and is a proper shotgun cut down to fit underneath a rifle.
Nah a short barrel pump or semi is superior to a masterkey. Way more utility aswell
@@Elsuntan I believe he said: "something like the Masterkey shotgun." not "the Masterkey shotgun."
Reinventing the wheel here. Hunting shotguns have been perfected for over a century, can shoot down moving targets at greater distances and are available to buy for the price of a pair of boots.
Drone operators should also be asked to fly their drones at low speed and in a straight line. And if the first shot does not hit the drone, make a detour and wait 2 minutes for a reload.
If you wear a helmet a bullet could give you a concussion, thus don't wear a helmet
Congratulations on pointing out the obvious flaws that everyone else anticipated. I'm sure no one at the company is as smart as you.
Drones have to fly in a straight line if it's coming for you, mr.1000 IQ
The people making this are full of copeium, so I wouldn’t say they are thinking with thier full intelligence @@iansun42
i guess youve never shot a fast flying duck and usually they are flying sideways not at you
It's actually worse than a slam fire. They could just given the soldiers some pipes and allowed to make their own shotguns.
>muzzle loading
>single shot
>range in the double digits
This war really is bringing up some blasts from the past
i give them an A for effort, since the way it reuses the GL is clever, but this is very impractical, its a single shot MUZZLE LOADING-BREECH LOADING shotgun, meaning you pretty much only have 1 shot, because reloading takes the better part of a century, at that point, it might be best to just try your luck with the AK normal firing mode
even if they had something like the MasterKey or the M26, they need a better method of detecting drones other than looking up
One of the rare cases, where I'd disagree with the things said in the video. This seems about as useful as a bayonet on a pistol.
Too cumbersome to use, single shot, too few GP-25s for saturation per squad, and filling a role that a cheap pump-action would do far better, for slightly more effort.
Mass-building small, light shotguns would seem like a better idea than this.
Ukraine made one you can hold.
5 star reviews from everyone 😂
There are some units, like ATGM carriers, who can't bring a shotgun with them. Having this will be better than nothing. But this thing does not seem like something that is going to solve drone problem, just a niche "save someones life perhaps" solution
They've never been used, did a video on them a few months ago.
@@gauss_gun I strongly disagree with "better than nothing". This is a huge steel tube, which is going to be a fairly significant amount of weight on its own. Meanwhile, the effectiveness of this is unlikely to be very high. I'll be extremely surprised if this manages to shoot down a single drone throughout the remainder of the war. FPV drones are much much too fast to swing this out and start loading, and then somehow manage to hit it as they swoop in at 150km/h. Meanwhile recon drones are going to be flying well outside of this thing's reach. It's just more useless weight. Not that I would ever want to stop the enemy when they're doing something stupid, mind you..
Lol are you a. Ruzzian propagandist?@@TheArmourersBench
So it's single action. Now the counterpart to this will be 2 drones. lol
Drones usually work in teams 3/4 drones and one as fire observer
Semi auto shotgun... Answers that.
@@capnceltblood5347 no, it did not. drone fly really fast. you have couple of seconds before drone hit, so best you can do is just try to aim your CURRENT weapon, fire and hope.
And in that case additional shotgun shell is extremely helpfull
bait-and-switch drone hunter pairs
@@capnceltblood5347 Another answer is a squad of infantry with access to these attachments..
Never thought I'd see the anti-drone musket attachment, but here we are. I want one.
I look forward to these showing up on Forgotten Weapons in 10 years
@@BlazingOwnager Same
There should be two raised rings near the end of the muzzle of the adapter. The ring closest to the muzzle prevents your fingers from going past the muzzle and the second ring for pushing the adapter in and pulling it out.
An old Soviet joke:
Always reload your GP with an excess finger.
In Vietnam we had modified 870 Remington 12 gauge pump-action shotguns that mounted on M16s like modern grenade launchers.
Look at M26 MASS :´)
No they didn't. The Master Key system was solidly a product of the 1980s.
The Masterkey.
@@zoiders the KAC Masterkey was based on field modifications from Vietnam....
@@dddddyyn No it wasn't. Where do you get this nonsense from? The Master Key is a door breaching tool from the 1980s not a combat shotgun. Did much door breaching in the Mekong Delta did they numb nuts?
This is a joke. The movie "Predator" came out almost 40 years ago. The character Billy had a pump shotgun receiver and barrel mounted under his M16. A one shot, 2 minute reload is beyond useless and in fact is an insult to the troops.
except the next drone might be some time away .. so reloading for the next drone .. not a problem
@@user-bh5ql2oc9i so non professional trap shooters under combat stress won't miss? And that thing admits 35 meter range and I doubt that. I hunt waterfowl over decoys and a nice 3.5 inch 12 gauge full choke 30" barrel is good out to 60 to 65.
2 min reload i dont think so they could load muskets faster in the day
@@mikect500 the 35 metre range for that setup is probably optimal max,testing done with# 3 shot had a 14 and half inch pattern at 25 ft using 3 in 12 gauge 1500 velocity, probably full choke no mention of barrel length
what if you just have a bunch of the tubes preloaded now the reload time is down to seconds
What I cant wrap my head around is why this is a reusable steel component when it really needs to be a disposable pre-loaded unit you just throw away. The barrel sleeve only needs to be good for one shot.
fair enough. Doesn't seem you will get a second try anyway.
Russia doesn't do "disposable", Americans found out the hard way in Vietnam why that is
@@rodiculous9464 Shush now Tankie.
@@rodiculous9464 IDK man, those Swedish and American made disposable anti tank launchers seem to be pretty effective against Russian armor
I can appreciate this for the innovation, but the Tsas12 is literally $120 for a pump action that has a 5+1 capacity.
I think the drones are simply beyond the range a shotgun can actually get them before it's too late 🤔
If this worked we'd have seen mass issuance of Saiga12, good for drone, good for trench clearing, but we dont see that afaik.
This is just another tool for the toolbox of the soldiers.
It's not a end-all-be-all sorta kit, it's just gonna allow them to protect themselves better against FPV drones, as these fly directly towards their target, and they usually fly low to avoid detection.
Shotguns are heavy and another piece of kit to keep functioning, not to mention the cost of mass-rollout of a new weapon.
This device is a "gap" weapon, that they can quickly rollout while they develop a more permanent solution.
The thing is, this system allows many more soldiers to take advantage of it. While a dedicated shotgun would indeed be better, it's additional gear to carry, fewer persons having access to it, and additional strain on logistics.
While this does not seem optimal, at least it's just an adapter for a system that many more soldiers already use. It doesn't seem as cumbersome than a whole shotgun, and shouldn't strain logistics as much either.
As for everything, it's a matter of compromise. And both shotguns+this adapter will probably be used in tandem anyway. The point is just to give as many soldiers the ability to take out drones without hindering on their tactical and operational capabilities too much.
I think this is a pretty smart idea they went with. Have to see the efficiency now, and that only time will tell.
Well maby from a 12/70 shotgun yes, but 12 gauges comes in 12/76 up to 12/89 chambering, wich Is really common in East europe made shotguns. Also, the 10 gauge would mop the floor with range and spread pattern. Yes, shotguns are not optimal as anti drone weapons, but are by far the cheapest
A shotguns range is longer than in video games, you know. The problem is the drone might close the gap before you got your anti-drone weapon ready.
I heard the Russians are issuing Vepr shotguns for anti FPV drones, but I don't see why a low capacity low penetration, shotgun would be better than a full auto high capacity AK for trenches. When has shotguns ever been preferred for CQB after compact full auto firearms were invented? Even the dedicated trench assault units don't use shotguns.
thank you for not using a "computer generated voice" like many other channels do
I think some kind of flechette load makes more sense for a 40 under barrel.
The US Army long ago developed 40mm shotgun rounds, with an effective range the same as this device. It's a MUCH more practical solution.
@@jarink1 how it is named? i only find "bee nest" but it heavy and take eternity to reload.
@@jarink1 The VOG is a caseless style munition. The whole shell lobs out of the gun. The 40mm in US service is cased. A shotgun round is not possible in this setup.
@@SpadesNeil i mean, you could use the same exact unloading mechanism that this is using, but there's no manufacturing for it that already exists, and that would take more development than a glorified pipe shotgun.
@@SpadesNeil Good point.
Unparalleled!? They made a breach load masterkey shotgun. Wow, how innovative.
And subcaliber adapters (including shotgun shell adapters) have existed for US 40mm launchers for a good while now.
It's painful how much ignorance is packed into this one comment. Let me put this into perspective for you.... If a Russian soldier saw a video for a new "master key" underbarrel attachment for the AK74 to combat drones, their first response would be "Why take away our GP-30s for a shotgun we'd rarely use when we could just have a 9000 ruble adapter that fits in our pocket and can be swapped out as needed?"
And if you think it's not innovative then why didn't you invent it first? You could have made millions selling it to RU and UA. But I guess you're just too smart for that...
@@daminoxhe didn’t invent it because it’s not innovative. Answered your own question
@@EkdrinkYou didn't even read their comment 😂
@@baron3904 “and if you think it’s not innovative then why didn’t you invent it first” literally answers his question. Tf do you mean I didn’t read it???
Ah yes, a weapon which you'd normally use with a sight rib and bead, now with an insane height over bore.
With the cost, and how low I've heard some grenade costs can go; I'm a little surprised they wouldn't just make a full shot cartridge for the launcher. I'm pretty sure the US had a shot round for their 40mm in Vietnam, so I know it's workable. My guess is that, when you want a hell of a lot of light shot (which you do for drones) and you also want it to have good range, you need that shot to move quickly, hence they're using these barrel extensions for 12 bore shells. Still seems like a rather clunky. I'd think having one guy out of ten with a pump action as well as his rifle would still be a better fix. I also have to say it's pretty funny how they're pretty much made a muzzle-loading-breach-loading shotgun 😂
Btw, "bore" is English - "le gauge" is French
The drone warfare in the Ukraine is no joke. If you hop on the YNC and go to the war page its filled up with mostly all drone attacks on both sides. Its sick... (not in the cool kinda sick either)
Honestly its terrifying to me to see how real people out there is doing everything from playing dead, killing themselves and just being tortured by these drones. Dudes out there all alone... wounded and abandoned by their squad. Just getting these grenades dropped on em. Just waiting there to die horribly... Its sad. I say a little prayer for all those fallen in that war. Their families and all of em. Its pretty crazy how effective these drones are and I personally think its our first real glimpse into piloted AI warfare... which I think will be what war eventually evolves into. Remotely piloted robots of all kinds. I mean it wont be long and well be seeing and hearing about unmanned remotely piloted tanks and shit. And these guys piloting this shit are SICK.
Maybe its because watching these deaths thru a screen slightly takes the reality of it away and makes it feel less...significant. Like watching people get blown up on a movie or tv show vs you being there, feeling the explosions and hearing the screams and sounds of agony from broken warriors. I do prey that those who are dealing with the scariest shit out there I prey gods with them and their families. Cause the shit going down out there is no joke. These are all just young men who aint even really started life yet as an adult and some of them are out there right now, tourniquets applied to their legs and arms, laying in a field somewhere waiting for one of these drones to finish him off. While we sit at our computers and talk about it.
there's a bias of exposure, drone attacks are both way easier to record and propagandize and there are enough that you don't notice the omission of failed attacks. It's like seeing only video of car crashes over and over and thinking the wheel was the most dangerous invention of all time.
I guessed you missed americans using reaper drones to kill thousands of mostly civilians around middle east and asia in the past two decades
It’s not exactly psychopaths it’s people who have been desensitized to their own emotions and by default the emotions of others throw in some ethnocentrism and of course propaganda the most well adjusted people can become absolute monsters against their fellow man.
Eh, if only one gun in your squad has an underbarrel grenade launcher, losing that just to get a single shot of what may just be birdshot is a pretty bad trade-off. Better to just have one guy as the designated drone shooter and give him an actual shotgun.
It's really more for reassurance than practicality. Even dedicated shotguns are practically useless, even under control conditions.
Notice in test footage they're shooting balloons and hovering drones. As opposed to FPV drones charging at full speed.
Well you can take it out. Real life isnt call of duty where at every second a enemy appears on screen
@@KSmithwick1989 spotting drones don't tend to move around that much, but they're also much farther away
as said before, shotguns are basically worthless as a drone counter. oh and UBGLs are universally much more saturated than you think, often having 1 per fireteam (2-3 per squad) because explosives happen to be incredibly effective
Breach loading muzzle loaded shotgun. Nice.
What impressed me most about this video was your narration. Good voice, speaking with clarity and eloquence, liberal use of pauses which is particularly refreshing as many narrators on this platform tend to speak incessantly which hinders retention of information. I'm also reasonably impressed with the gun.😎
I still think the lesson from this war is Artillery is still the king of battle. 75% of casualties have come from standard artillery
fast forward a bit to a artillery gun that launches drones at the same rate and distance as standard shells with just enough A.I in them to lock on a target in the last couple hundred yards and nudge its trajectory...Artillery as we know it but even more accurate..
@@johntowers1213 That already exists but is very expensive and not worth it.
@@tubekrake And they dont work when your enemy has superior E war capabilities like Russia does
@@tubekrake its very expensive when made in the west.. with its bloated arms budgets but those are not the only people in the game...as a good example look to the havoc Russia has been causing with dumb bombs fitted with dirt cheap GPS (Equivalent) glide kits... the cost of these units compared to Western JDAMS and their equivalents really hammers home that this can be done very cheaply...by merging old tech with new,
Artillery that has been targeted by drones.
If the MOD developed it it would take seven years and cost £12K each!
the return of the AA12 is near
the plastic monster
there is an extensive testing of full barrel shotguns vs drons on ukrainian channel they are almost usless even when dron stays still
Links please?
I'm not sure bout that, they may be test it in extreme distance.
Always been super interested in anti-drone tech since they started getting popular. Problem with any handheld weapon is that regardless of how good the weapon/ammo is, it's still very difficult to hit a small moving target in the sky, especially one as nimble as a drone.
Couple round of birdshot can mess up propellers, doesn't need much eve at conciderable distances.
Coyote 2 interceptor drone
So it’s just a 12 gauge adapter for the tube… you can 3d print that
Also i think its effective range due to the "tube" length won't help the soldier. I'm pretty sure that even if you hit a drone at the marketed 15 to 30 meters you're still gonna get hit by shrapnel when that thing explodes.
My Superman vs Batman argument.
A single shell in a simple tube might as well hold a custom 4 inch high brass. Just don't roll a 3.5 and glue a varnished over-shot card on top or that x cut plastic cap thing. Don't f around, dump 2 ounces at it. Could be more with the mixed size shot that has no empty space in the load.
pump shotguns can be made so cheap, much like mav88 and yet they use this lol
people should start painting their drones to look like ducks... paint your riffle to look like the old NES light guns :)
But what if a drone is coming at you at Mach Jesus with a charge that will still explode?
I believe these things you're describing are called missiles, not drones.
Seems like making a short ranged buckshot shell for the grenade launchers diameter would be more effective and less complicated.
More complicated and expensive to produce and 40mil buck shell with that short barrel doesent work
Even drone hit by this shutgun with 30 meters still there's a possibilities you could be hit by the drone-bomb sharpnail explosion
But you wont be missing any limbs
@@lincolnclay898 You have 3 seconds to hit it if it is headed at you and you only have one shot. You better get it within the first second. This is most useful against boom droppers.
whereas the probability of being KIA when its at 0 meters is zero ? right ? er no .. Those bomblets used on many drones wouldn't not be in the kill radius at 30 meters .. injury though ? perhaps..
@@Willy_Tepes my first goose was with a single shot not a pump and i made sure to hit it
@@richardconnelly7141 It was not coming straight at you, and it was not carrying a warhead.
Congratulations on your sitting duck experience.
So that's why the Mk. 1 Morita has a shotgun. To shoot down flying bugs.
100 dolars for a tube is a robery.
Yes, like Fkn Saiga costs like ~1000$ +-200$ on different markets and its a decent shotgun with 30 barrel mag(if you need to go that extreme) this just sounds like another corrupted scam
*For a useless tube
@@aps1138useless? it functioned as it was intended so why is it useless?
@@Loli4lyf uselessly expensive, is that better ?
thats oligarchy for you
This is not new idea. They have 12 gauge adapters for m203/m79 for people to shoot at the range with. Only issue is the effective range is pretty limited since the barrel is so short.
What the people in the comments section fail to understand is that this is simple addon to existing weapons. Very easy. Practically every soldier can have a single shot ready to fire at all times. Setting up logistics for a 100K shotguns is a lot more difficult that sending out a bunch of these.
not really, whats the logistical difference between a shotgun and this POS. supplying the ammo is the same logistical burden. just the size and the cost. since a rifle has to be set up with a grenade launcher, not every soldier can be issued one anyway. once they're in a soldiers hand you just need to supply ammo, and shotguns are easy to maintain and relatively reliable.
@@rklkifythat would mean that all soldierd now carry 2 guns? Doesnt make sense to me
Better if all soldiers carried one primary + an add on.
@@alispeed5095 They already have shotguns placed around the trenches for anti FPV use. Good luck hitting an FPV with one shot from this garbage. Slow and big quadcopters like they shot in the video are already flying too high to hit with shotguns.
@@fridrekr7510 its better than nothing. If all men had access to this. They would all have a chance of defending themselves before a drone kills them.
I donno about availability but to me, its impractical for men to carry an AK and a shotty. Russians arent always chilling in trenches where shotties are supposedly placed.
You think the guys in Kharkov currently have the trenches luxury? Drones hunt them on the streets ;) Yet the drone threat remains and the impracticality of carrying 2 primaries doesnt change
@@alispeed5095 soldiers are already carrying around extra weapons. Whether that be RPGs, MANPADS or other extra heavier weapons. If you can get an extra advantage by carrying an extra weapon you should. you've got guys carrying backpacks full of extra grenades and magazines. whats one guy per squad with a shotgun slung on his back going to make a difference.
I have a Punt Gun, 10 bore 48 inch barrel, shot gun, it's made for killing several waterfowl "ducks/geese " with 1 shot ,
You should check out the Punt Gun for drone defense, there's tons of them in southern USA and England, Belgium ect . also used them
Feels a lot like a serious copium sale. One single digit inch barrel shotgun firing one shell at a stationary drone or balloon on a range vs actual combat conditions feels a bit like a paraplegic baby fighting Mike Tyson. The $109 price tag for essentially a piece of pipe doesn’t exactly instill confidence.
better than lie down and hope but yeah it sucks
5:13 "and keeping your hand clear of the muzzle" as demonstrated by doing the opposite
Imagine dropping it in the mud and loosing it right as you hear a buzzing noise.
The only use I can see for this is for the bio spaced armor to now becomes bio reactive armor. Most of the videos don’t show Russian soldiers being chased carrying their guns by drones.
In America, for several years, there have been chamber adapters sometimes marketed as "zombie adapters" that allow one to shoot a smaller cartridge inside of a larger chamber. That is all this effectively is. There are some speciality use cases where chamber adapters can be handy, one might chamber down one chamber of a large anti-bear revolver to a small 22 caliber for small game purposes. This is likely great innovation for Russia, cheap light weight, disposable, allows them to show they are taking action to help the troops. A common shotgun, with lots of ammo for practice and time on the sheet range might be more effective.
Modern problems require modern solutions.
🤣
And Ruzzians have no modernization
People have been using m203 and 37mm adapter to 12 gauge for years. Although in the US is classified as a destructive device and a $200 tax due.
Не занимайтесь профонацией. Проверьте на реальном фпв дроне 9 дюймов. С муляжом заряда в пару кг. Когда он разгоняется и летит на вас никакой выстрел не спасет от удара - он летит как камень по инерции вперед на скорости 100км/ч. Дрон не будет зависать перед вами чтобы вы его выцелили. Стандартная атака дроном это прицеливание метров со 100, до которых никакое ружье не достанет. А потом мгновенный разгон. В этот момент оператор может вообще убрать пальцы со стиков. Дрон летит по инерции в цель.
дроны разные бывают, и по разному атакуют, иногда петляют и по нескольку раз заходят на цель особенно если это человек, те что атакуют технику те да, летят быстро и прямолинейно, человек от такого просто увернется и отпрыгнет в сторону чему не мало примеров, а вот те которые специально против пехоты заточены, те медлительные и маневренные, примерно как на видео, такие иногда даже палками сбивают...
Всё ровно это лучше чем ни чего!!!
@@user-pz7ln3qf6m Вы про какое "увернуться и отпрыгнуть в сторону" пишите? Вы понимаете что на фпв дрон ставят 2кг пвв и 2кг шариков вокруг заряда? Там что в метре взрыв, что в 5 будет одно и тоже - смерть. Это тоже самое как "отпрыгнуть" от минометной мины 120мм!
@@user-pz7ln3qf6m Вы в курсе какой заряд у фпв дрона? Чтобы можно было от взрыва "увернуться и отпрыгнуть"?
В сво использую два типа бн для дронов: кумулятивная (пг7) и осколочная (заряд вв+оэ). Самый простой вариант осколка это мон50 или вкладыш озм72. С радиусом сплошного поражения 30-50м. Никуда и никто "отпрыгнуть" от такого не сможет.
100$ For 2 steel tubes welded together damn lol
That's prototype prices. It will be like 20 bucks on mass production. Guess what American military industrial complex would charge.
Intriguing development in the continuing struggle against UAV's. Great video sir! Thank you for what you do.
Yaaaay lets give our boys an overly complicated single shot shotgun. Why not make a buckshot round for the gl?
i imagine it is because it is just them producing the adapter and able to use existing manufacturing and stocks of shotgun shells
This lets you always have a shotgun round chambered regardless of what you are currently using
The US tried a 40mm buckshot round in Vietnam, it didn't work very well. The problem as I understand it is that with the way that a grenade launcher is designed (barrel length, caliber, maximum pressure), you just can't accelerate the buckshot fast enough to be that effective.
There's millions of shotshells laying around. Custom machining a launcher adapter that gets reused is easier than machining thousands of grenade bodies to fire a buckshot load.
Our boys?
Didn’t think I’d see single shot shotguns making a comeback
they usually also use shovels to strike it away, just like a baseball bat to a baseball ball
Something about that sentence doesn't look right. I think it's meant to be "like a basebat to a baseball ball"?
@@jhonbus sorry i've been working as a butcher for 40 years in africa, i have not gone to school
Or sacks of potato.
There is no such thing as a baseball ball. There is a baseball.
Apparently the name of this device is "Venus Fly Trap" or "Росянка" in Russian.
Seems like a pretty good idea to me. Loads of comments saying it's pointless because of this or that issue, but they're missing the point. Sure, this has its issues, but it's a cheap and simple way to add at least _some_ amount of anti-drone capability _right now_ to a lot of squads who might otherwise not have any.
Yes, you could design something better given a bit of time, and get it manufactured given even more time. Fine, do that too.
Sure, you only get one shot, so if you miss or there are multiple drones you're still screwed. But it's better than no shots, surely?
For every problem you can think of there are going to be at least some situations where that problem doesn't apply, and so this thing will be useful in at least some situations. Would you rather have it or not? I'd rather have it.
These people have no idea what they talking about and still talk like they do because they played tons of battlefield games.
This device is brilliant and lifesaving for individual soldiers while easy to carry and cheap to produce. If you even notice the small drones you only have seconds to react
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti No, it will do nothing.
That has nothing to do with "video games," if anything yours is the video game perspective. You view shotguns as magic obliteration rays that destroy everything in a huge cone hundreds of yards long.
If the FPV is prowling at a distance, this will not have the range to reach it. Once it's close and flying in at 100 mph there's no time to shoot,.
It's useless junk.
Makes sense to cheaply retrofit already existing equipment. Its not meant to replace a proper shotgun. At the same time, it also removes your grenadier from having a grenade ready.
The innovation is always interesting. We'll see this on forgotten weapons in 10 years though
"A new unparalelled device-"
*IT'S A TUBE*
(2 tubes welded together, one ½inch inside, the other 40mm outside. Is this the peak of russian engineering at this point?)
Someone has to make profit out of war I guess.
Tubes and shovels. You'll be surprized how effective these things can be^_^
I am pretty sure they wrote that half-seriously. Calling everything "a new unparalled device" is a running joke in Russia.
@@mehmetali5128 sure like you know anything of russia ^^
@@QuicksilverVM выписан из русских, получается
Normal shotguns like Saiga are usually used to counter drones alongside anti-drone ew guns that help to catch them.
I like how these guys are wearing American gear, 5.11 hats, Mechanix gloves, etc. That war economy looking a lil light I guess
No war economy here, business as usual
and that gear is "made in usa"?
The idea of shooting at a FPV drone with a single shot shotgun is terrifying!
I think I'm gonna stick with a regular shotgun rather than this. For safety of course.
I must say, despite the context, that is a very clever design
6:32 in the Russian army grenadiers are equipped with rocket launchers. Underbarrel grenade launchers are given out to senior riflemen, who otherwise fulfill the same purpose as an assistant squad/section leader in NATO armies
Hahahaha is that after they get turned to paste in meat grinder war?
....So Russia developed a beehive round. Gotcha.
this device has some potential, i think, starting from the transition to 10 gauge (or even 4 gauge) and going further to caseless amunition-based devices that hold several rounds in one barrel, being initiated electronically in a consecutive order (like that once advertised metal storm)
armored drones up next lol
Keep in mind that this would significantly reduce their range
@@2Potatesnot if you make the drones bigger too. Huge flying sheds
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti strap bigger bombs to it and you have an unmanned bomber, but at that point you might as well just go back to a small spotting drone and use artillery
@@brigadgeneralvoid2508 spotting drones will just keep getting smaller, actual fly (as in the insect) sized observation drones just around the corner, wont that be something to fight against hm?
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti I think you just invented helicopters.
This reminds me of a shotgun used in COD Ghosts called the bulldog, which was based on a real gun that was a tube, muzzle loaded with a cylinder full of shells, and used an electrical firing mechanism. Could be mounted as an under barrel or with a stock like the M320. Hilarious how the Russians basically made a zip gun attachment for a grenade launcher. But it's so cheap I'd legitimately buy one
Saiga12 is already here. But this is great for clearing rooms and trenches
saiga 12 is a meme
When has a single shot weapon ever been "great for clearing rooms and trenches?" 🤡
Mod of Russia give engineers Vepr shotgun - it is better version of saiga shotgun. but not for room and trenches because shotguns are shit against armor
Not viable in terms of logistics and carrying capacity and opportunity cost.
An over-under or even a single-shot shotgun is a better choice. Single-shot shotgun can be produced cheaply and quickly but still relatively light with simple sling added. Load it with any commercial 3-inch No.4 buckshot with 41 pellets, it can be effective up to 40 meters hitting a FPV drone.
if only there was a simpler method to combat drones that uses the same ammo, a double barrel shotgun....
For anyone wondering why the Russians won't manufacture 40mm birdshot munition similar to the US Army M576 buckshot grenade for M203. Russian under-barrel grenade launchers of the GP family are caseless muzzleloaders and the propellant is inside the grenade itself. This means it is much harder (or even impossible) to design a caseless buckshot system which leaves no fouling in the barrel.
Are they trying to lose faster?
Because this is how you lose faster.
The rough idea of converting a underbarrel launcher has a ton of potential. I can imagine a specialized type of anti drone grenade being very effective
Its a really good idea... however how often are drones within birdshot range? its much easier than carrying around a shotgun but i dont know how practical it is. I imagine most drone operators are observing from afar... and if a drone is close enough to see you could probrably hit it easier with a regular rifle... but time will tell. Its definitely an interesting idea.
More serious problem is drone has super small size and the case made from plastic. Due to small and use electric motor, it's very hard to detect them from thermal and plastic does not reflect radar wave so radar completely blind
FPV quad drones will go down as one of the most effective (and cost effective) weapons in the history of warfare
If you can shoot clays a drone should be easy, at a similar range.
drones are less easily visible and travel quicker
Im gonna assume you've never shot clay pigeons. Clays don't fly at 60mph and change trajectory in a matter of seconds 😂🤡
Observation drones stay several hundred meters in the air and good luck nailing a close range FPV with one shot from this contraption.
@@thatguysky123 not to mention when they are shooting clays, they're using custom over and under shotguns with 30inch chocked barrels so that the shot spread can be as tight as possible. The spread on these pipes would be huge and extremely hard to aim when mounted on a rifle.
@@rklkify they watch a video and think they are experts 😂
2:28 is the picture for a stationary target at 30m. It's going to be much worse beyond that, projectiles will lose more energy and observer UAVs should be mostly fine, staying beyond effective range.
Drones are incredibly hard to spot. They are really quiet, small and the sky is big. You may not get a lot of time to line up a shot.
Lastly, they can be surprisingly quick and manoeuvrable. Just look at some FPV racing, it's crazy! Military purpose drones will eventually make use of quiet extreme evasive maneuvers.
A single shot shotgun, attached to a "heavy" AK, doesn't seem the most effective defense. Even with a hit at 40m, that thing probably came from above and will continue on a ballistic trajectory.
It's technically a solution, but I feel any semi or pump action would do a better job.
I'd like to see a PAW-class weapon with proximity fuse instead of the usual timer fuse. And it'd still work in the Inkunzi PAW's original role.
Question: russia doesn't have enough money in treasury to buy decent shotguns?
Why carry 2 weapons when you can have one that will perform 2 functions?
You are really ignorant.!!
@@Feolon most soldiers dont have a grenade launcher, even barring that this doesnt perform the same function as the shotgun nearly as well
@@Feolon If every soldier will carry 4 of those loaded tubes, then its ok.
@@nikolajkapa2283 Provided the design is changed totally so they can be inserted and removed almost instantly, maybe.
As a Duck hunter, a combat shotgun was my first thought of how to press something quickly into the field. Next figuring out the right shot size and flight control holder...❤
So many Russians dying for one man....
I can see you dont know how that conflict actually started back in 2014
What do you think a nation is? Some lines on a map? There are millions of ethnic Russians in Donbas and Crimea. All the Western sources who went to the South East of Ukraine found demographic and democratic Majority were ethnic Russians who wanted Independence from Kyiv rule.
It's a good idea, but needing an adapter on the rear sight sounds very tricky.
The distance between the sight and the barrel also likely limit the accuracy.
Would be interesting to see things like the beehive rounds for the m79, or even better yet, a return of the ks23 (I just really want one)
Use a Master Key like the one used on the M-16/M-4 platform.
This reminds me of an old 1980's 2000ad Future Shock story where a group of soldiers are attacked by aircraft launched drones called Monkey Bombs. They would latch onto the backs of their targets before exploding. Its horrifying to think drone warfare is now prevalent to the point that individual soldiers can be targetted by drones you can barely see.
At this distance, for a drone carrying explosives, the solder will be also covered with shrapnels.
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