Why Robot Tanks are the Future
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Allow me to introduce you to American Army's new Ripsaw M5 Robotic Combat Vehicle it’s absolutely terrifying and awe inspiring. It’s the world's first fully electric engine and fully autonomous super tank. It only weighs 10 and a half tons or 3 times less than a Bradley while still delivering the same firepower. You might have already seen them in giant blockbusters like Fast and Furious 8, Mad Max fury Road and GI Joe.
Written by: Chris Cappy & Armando Duarte Galán
Edited by: Maksym
This youtube video description from the developers howe and howe state that its deadly yet silent while housing a 173mmx30mm cannon. That's because its electric motor produces almost no noise and reduces its thermal signature. It has been reported that you can’t hear the vehicle until it's 100 m away while you can hear an abrams on pavement from over 1,000 meters away. Imagine a ripsaw sneaking up on you in the field and the last thing you see is its cold robotic voice as it says “you have 20 seconds to comply” edit audio onto image of ripsaw.
Howe and Howe technologies is run by identical twin brothers. They originally designed the robot tank as a project in their backyard garage way back in the early 2000s. They’d been investors since they were seven years old building log cabins with each other in Maine. It wasn’t until they entered it into a DARPA challenge in 2005 that it got the attention of the US military. It’s cool DARPA I guess my robot tank design got lost in the mail I’ll just keep waiting to hear back from you. Their sweet promo video shows the ripsaw ripping some sweet snow donuts. This thing flies at a top speed of 60 miles per hour other variants can reach that in just 3 seconds. Apparently it could have hit 100 mphs but remotely operating it at that speed was a receipt for disaster.
The M5 robotic combat vehicle has all your favorite buzzwords including modular design so you can swap out autocannons for missiles or anti-air weapons that can be launched from out of the line of fire. But Will this system be a major part of US army future doctrine or is it not really all its hyped up to be?
It was Brig. Gen. Geoffrey Norman. Director of the Next Generation Combat Vehicles Cross Functional Team Said quote “Human-machine integrated teams are the future of successful ground combat in the land domain” this gives us a hint as the armys future plans here. They want these M5 robot tanks to wingmen to the new M10 booker, the abrams and the bradleys. The strategy calls for these to be sent out first ahead of human troops to do all the recon and scouting. This is how the us military plans to offset the fact that they might be outnumbered in future wars.
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When I want a powerful tank, I want an electric battery because boy having a tank that can't move in extreme cold weather and takes hours to recharge.
@@garhent yeah, I mean personally, give me that motor engine version please
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@@TaskandpurposeNOTICE that NO ONE is talking about SKYNET!
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"put modularity in it and make it lame!", that clip is awesome, keep using it.
LCS
Why is modularity lame ? I don´t get that joke, it´s awwsome.
@@sierraecho884 You should join the military development teams.
@@jacobp8294 I am an automotive developer, that´s not too different.
It could retain its Hellfire missiles, and NSM but it having its proper towed sonar and ASW suite would make them a potent Submarine hunter. Give it an 8 or 16 cell launcher, or even 32 cell would be better instead of having the hellfire launchers
I would totally watch a weapons procurement reality tv show😂
next episode we drop the 5 biggest defense companies on a deserted island with only alcohol and 3 days supply of food. last one alive gets the contract.
Straight from Omi Consumer Products 👌
@@Taskandpurposepetition to restart Future Weapons, with Cappy!
@@coreyadams25imagine that show with Perun going over some some PowerPoint with the contestants
@@theguy9208 Futureweapons… what a show. Looking back, it’s so amazing how a good number of the so called “weapons of the future” from that show are now considered obsolete…
When this thing rolls out, I want to hear it lecturing everyone around it about the weakness of flesh.
In whatever common language is in the area? It sneaks up on an enemy position, says the line and blasts? xD
@@galerus3776"Ayo"
*Sets off its entire ammunition deposit*
I think it will be doing an interactive demonstration.
Ahh, I see the follower of Deus Mechanicus
If its not playing voice lines on loudspeaker from Liberty Prime its a missed opportunity.
The guys that make the Ripsaw are awesome dudes up here in Maine. One of the guys that worked on that original DARPA project is now the mechanic on my Hummer H1. He's so meticulous to detail that not a single bolt can be torqued incorrectly before it leaves his garage.
Please ask him to give Ukrainian DoD a call or email…
The other one has a very cool CZcams channel called Howe2live.
"It''s perfect. So f*cking stupid." That whole skit seems a lot closer to reality than one would hope.
Tanks aren’t obsolete. The people in them are.
Nah this is just like ultrakill fr fr
YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
tanks and planes are becooming to expensive to make and their very easy to destroy ukraine war shows how vulnerable tanks r and neither ukraine or russia r using their planes in large amounts
Planes next 😢
That is super debateable, my guy.
that thing looks like someone looked at an M22 and thought "man, i wish there was something as cute as this but MODERN, BETTER, and *MODULAR*"
it looks like a pimped up M22 and i love it
M22 FTW
*MBT22*
Daang now i imagined robotic L3/33 tankette and that sounds scary if used in urban warfare
@@fltfathinthe Italians really gotta make one
wouldn´t you rather have said a "Wiesel" ? You know as "Panzerkommandant" ^^
@@thingamabob3902 well as a "panzerkommandant" i see more visual similarities between this thing and the M22 rather than the Wiesel
And so it begins... the automation of warfare.
Major Supreme Commander/Total Annihilation vibes.
This is hardly the beginning, its been going on for a long time, at least since rapid firing guns like the Gatling Gun.
Automation of duties has been a thing for as long as humanity has existed. Not just in the military. Whatever that makes life easier, safer and more efficient will always be the ultimate goal.
I 'm surprised anyone still remembers Total Annihilation... it was a great game
Imagine dying on the frontlines and the americans that killed you were some kiddies with playstation controllers in a shipping container with ac, doing fortnite dances while their combat drones roll along...
We've been doing that for two decades.
It's the American way
Don't be silly. They aren't going to get up and dance, they'll figure out how to make their drones do their combat dances so you can see them.
@@The_ZeroLine Need to borrow the hydraulic suspension from that japanese tank, do the wiggle on them.
Accurate AF.
Nice to see our military removing the weakness known as flesh.
Flesh has always been my weakness... don't take that way, you ... reasonable person.
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine. You're kind cling to your flesh, as if it will not decay and fail you. When the crude biomass that you call a temple begins to wither, you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the machine is immortal!
_What began as a war over the transference of mind from flesh to machine..._
@@marathonfreak67
For the Emperor of Mankind.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Nay!! All Praise The Machine God!!
Katlin has some talent. I loved her in the commercial a few months back. Really cool episode. Well done.
Been watching these brothers for years, they produce incredible machines at a good price. The quality and abilities of these creations exceed what the bigger companies can offer.🙂
Because they are small, they have less overhead and are more innovative.
That has its own drawbacks.
Without the capability to mass produce their weapons, they would still be beaten by larger companies.
That's assuming of course that the Pentagon just leaves them be. Behind the scenes, they're probably already thinking of ways to help that company.
"Why lose a a trained crew to an unguided missile, when they can just *respawn*"
That is a wild thing to say, caught me off guard, and got me dying of laughter XD
Next thing you know their gonna be releasing microtransactions so you can customize the HUD Display.
I can already imagine the E4 Mafia/CS:GO drone market.
Oh man wait until you find out how the f35 program works and why they only have 30 minutes of fuel, can't fly in the rain, and they keep getting lost causing ejected pilots to land in people's backyards and call 9/11.
Still got our response time. People high up are hesitant. But all we are good for once the first go full automated, is hide in our bunkers. Our physical limitations have no place in a war that could have been fought that way last century. What we get to see presented as new tech...
Pay to win
Then the next thing you know, there's a division of these things in waifu camo skins overrunning your position.
I can't imagine a more terrifying way to go.
This highly suits the new Marine Force 2030 proposal. Autonomous combat support vehicles capable of being distributed on a near squad level
Absolutely. Pacific theatre.
Yep I was thinking the same thing
If it wasnt for the battery doe
The other idea I had is buy some s. Korean light tanks.
I thought about this too kiddo
My inner child wants to see more real-life GI Joe and Cobra vehicles
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I was kinda hoping Bio-tech would produce a Battle-Cat, He-man style.
I watched intently as the Howe&Howe brothers developed their Ripsaw tank. Amazing!
That "its perfect" "this is so fucking stupid" was hilarious
I fully expect a technician to hook up a speaker to one of these and have it play sound bits of fallout's Mister Gutsy.
That would be both terrifying and awesome 😂
Liberty prime at night
I got to see the unveiling of the ripsaw about 10+ years ago at a snowmobile show. Howe & Howe makes some awesome stuff!
GD used to build M-1 Abrams tanks about 20min from my childhood house, when I was growing up near Detroit, Michigan. Fantastic video Cappy and team, especially the comic relief.
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2 Robocop references in a little over a minute. Thumbs up sir.
Ah, I See You're a Man of Culture As Well
My god you old men gotta be at least 40 with these 2008 tier comments
Terminator 1, Terminator 2, Terminator x^n. Don't say I didn't warn you.
I'd buy that for a dollar!
Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Bart and Lisa are in the drill camp and at the end the General goes:
"Your job on the future battlefield will be to build and maintain our combat robots." and we all laughed
Well, you may have missed every shot in the military, but you finally hit your mark with love. Congrats, bromeo.
I was at AUSA that year. Procurement match making bit had me cracking up. I'm US drone sales, but a vet as well. You have good content man. Thanks!
Interesting advantage - tank rolls over mine in a fight and gets its tracks blown off. A human crewed tank abandons the tank and it’s no longer effective until destroyed or recovered. But one of these could stay in place and keep engaging the enemy thus forcing them to continue to engage with the weapon until destroyed. Tactically giving you a few more minutes than you had before.
"Tis but a scratch!"
or be hacked, repaired and used
@@dr.floridaman4805Very likely that these would be remote detonated if someone tries to breach or cuts the connection with the command center guiding it, or if someone physically tries to tamper with the electronics without someone previously remotely disengaging the countermeasures stated above with a single click somewhere else.
This is also important, if these are not supposed to be driven then it can't be hijacked or reverse engineeres properly if destroyed or incapacitated because there's no driver seat and much less will be anything coherent behind if the entire thing detonates its ammunition deposit in case of a capture attempt.
It also makes the enemy not want to get near it because it could blow itself and them up if it believes it is cost-effective for the situation it is in.
Can you imagine engaging a tank and suddenly it starts accelerating straight into your fortified position, breaks through and then detonates god knows how many explosives straight into the heart of your position or in a critical section of your defense?, what do you even do then?, not to mention if there's more than one you might not be able to stop them all. Specially if they are even lower profile than the one shown here.
Kamikaze robot tanks.
well if they have the same range than tesla cars or other manufacturer, you will not have to wait a very long time before they stop working...
@@jujuchiriquinah you just smash a diesel into it. The power is not the problem.
Vision and network dependancy are the biggest.
As a Fire Department officer, Remote Pilot, and Instructor, I've been really impressed by Textron / Howe & Howe's "Thermite" line of firefighting robots. (I only wish I could get my hands on the recreational UTV version of the Ripsaw!)
@@rael5469 🤣 "Calling Doctor Howard... Doctor Fein... Doctor Howard..."
Congratulations on your proposal. I love your channel. It's informative, self-deprecating and funny . Keep up the good work!
Congratulations on your engagement! Wishing you the best!
that dating show bit killed me lol
samee, its perfect, 10/10 would watch
He can spend time on a bit, but not on learning his own script?
CONGRATS!!!! on your engagement Cappy! :-)
Years ago, I saw the Ripsaw at the D.C. auto-show, it had LS engine and was 1st tracked vehicle to hit over 70mph, without throwing treads.
Congrats on the proposal dude! Happy for both of yall!
Loved watching Howe & Howe back in the day. They have a number of projects for all kinds of fields. Firefighting, Police, Mining and others.
The size, speed, and weight of the Ripsaw also means it can provide more direct support to infantry and follow them into areas M1 Abrams and even Bradleys can't follow. It's also probably more air transportable than even the Booker. I betcha you could even airdrop it in with airborne infantry.
they won't work in modern battlefields. The end of the story. Mobile signals got jammed, and satellites got jammed. It is unrealistic fantasy of pentagon wet dreamers. 2 fpv drones will kill it super easy.
Its also dirt cheap.
Its 100% useless.
Plan for the war against robots.
I'd say you're gonna have to be very risk willing, or invent some new shit if you want to take this airborne. A couple hours of combat endurance for your support system is not good in a supply constrained environment.
Y’all seem perfect for eachother. I’m happy that Chappy is happy!!!
Brilliant idea, no need for the life saving survivability, no need for bulky armour=can carry more ammo!!! Electric might be more difficult for thermal sensors to spot. It really is brilliant.
Yeeeahhhh ....
- survivability, is still important for the vehicle to stay in tact and now you have to problem of shielding against hacker attacks and turning your own gear against you.
- carry more ammo --> this is probably true in any case
- Electric might be more difficult for thermal sensors to spot --> yes but also how do you recharge ? How long does that take ? Weight to power is pretty horrible, it would have to be a hybrid.
@@sierraecho884
there will always be weaknesses and opportunities for improvement but is it better to have it or the enemy to have it?
@@sierraecho884weight to power is bad? You realize a submarine is powered by electric engines. Sorry but your statement is false. Try racing your gas car against a Tesla, you will be smoked before you even hit the gas.
The issue of recharging is not an issue if you make the battery a replaceable unit. You would just change the battery like you change a magazine on a firearm. Lithium batteries and intensely powerful and they are becoming smaller, lighter and more powerful every year.
@@appliedfacts Is it better to have an inferior technology or is it better the enemy has the problem ?
@@wolfganglockard "...You realize a submarine is powered by electric engines..." a sub also floats... A sub has to power with electricity otherwise you could locate it. what´s your point ?
"...Sorry but your statement is false..." Lol I am an automotive engineer, a Tesla´s weight and range is nowhere near a race car. also it can drive fast for a very short time until everyhting overheats. In the winter time it´can´t drive at all due to the chemicals which will react slower in the cold, are you trying to tell me I have no idea about those things ?
"...The issue of recharging is not an issue if you make the battery a replaceable unit...." A yes the typical "smart" idea to solve a complex problem, what you leave out is, not you have a sensitive potentially deadly 1000V component with open contants to the environment unsealed. You also add complecity because now you need some sort of latching mechanism and swapping mechanism and how do you now move your huge battery from a to b ? A yes via a combustion engine of course ...
"...Lithium batteries and intensely powerful and they are becoming smaller.." Aaaa yes the "perfect battery myth" The best and strongest battery which is tested still holds at least 10x less energy per given volume.
Look, I don´t want to be rude, but there is no point in debating this things with you, you have your ideology I have my engineering and science.
I remember the Howe brothers from that tv show, "Howe & Howe Tech!
Good to see they're still making awesome stuff.
Came to say the same
Given the flexibility to perform multiple tasks, the M5 could be equipped as a wounded soldier recovery vehicle. With the high ground clearance between the tracks, an M5 could position itself over a wounded soldier and then have a pair of longitudinal doors open above the soldier and a medical lifting sling pick up the solder up and return him/her to the medical unit for treatment. Think about soldiers being able to mange their own recovery when wounded.
Best - Michael
Or we could stop trying to kill each other and realize there is only one Homeworld. One place to call home and so far it seems our species won't last. If you care about sovereignty and longevity of rights and freedom, we need to figure out how to feed each other and keep each other alive. Anyone who thinks this is gonna end with the last armed tribe is a fool and someone no one should ever follow. All Homeworlders have rights.
while its a good idea and probably will be implemented I think it will be rather difficult with the automatic lifting sling ... how is it supposed to not injure the soldier even more ( sure a soldier just dragging his wounded comrade over a field under fire can´t have the same sensibilities, but with humans its accepted - think about autonomous cars and the expectations of have to be flawless )
The two big Qs they will not want public is, the wifi issue mentioned in the vid, and how far can it travel on a charge. An ICE can be refueled in the field. An E tank, not so much. A bunch of them out front of MBTs and troops could save lives and be a bad day for the enemy. I can see a hybrid engine making more sense, and the trade off noise/detection wise.
Good to see Howe and Howe are still doing well
Before even watching the Video and being German, Gebirgsjäger Veteran (23rd Gebirgsjägerbrigade and 231st Regiment) with 2 Tours in Afghanistan and 1 in Kosovo as well as being a Historian of the IFZ in Munich now after my Service, i immideately thought of the "Goliath Panzer" we made during WW2 and used effectively.
I always wondered why this "early type of an unmanned Drone" apparently didn't become big after WW2 after the Allies discovered and became Friends with all the German Engineers who made the Goliath.
I guess back then the Allies didn't think an unmanned small Vehicle was useful? But i always wondered.
Reading the Videos Title i guess we Germans have finally been vindicated regarding justifying the Use of the Goliath.
Makes you wonder what other Weapon Design from 80-90 Years ago might suddenly become relevant in current Warfare, any Guesses?
Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps (Yes, that Berchtesgaden, considering the huge amount of US Tourists i grew up with visiting the Eagles Nest, i gotta thank those US Tourists for immensely helping my English Skills)
Wasn't the Goliath a tracked bomb? Pretty sure that kinda thing's seeing a revival.
Well the V1 predated many of todays drones and the panzerfaust predates the RPG. Mines and Dragons Teeth and trenchworks are still used in the war in Ukraine.
@@biffphuddle6581and the V2 was a kind of ballistic missile.
@@biffphuddle6581 have a lok at the first WW1 unmanned aircraft bombs.
hah, japan already used smart guided misiles and torpedoes back in 1942... we lose many technologies after the wars becouse poeple bitch about "inhumane horrors of the war"
Now just imagine what technology they’re not showing us.
Last I heard the elite are like 50 years ahead.
Nothing they can afford to
If you can imagine it: it exists.
Whether or not its safe for consumers or monetizable is another matter entirely.
@@Otterdisappointmentwhat do you mean?
It's most likely not as spectacular as your imagination wants it to be
Another well rounded view on new technology. Your range question is valid, and although tech is advancing all the time, your infantry, or even drones could extend signal perhaps? Every tool has it's place, I think to have these even just loitering could be hugely effective, imagine being pinned down by enemy fire, and this machine could be there in minutes due to it's speed, could be a real game changer. The only concern/question I have, is that the sensors are very low down on the vehicle which could restrict your field of view even with sensors. Keep up the good work !!
you do such a good job , I really enjoy watching your videos
Brotha, I luv the ROBOCOP reference. " I'd buy that for a dollar"!! CLASSIC 😊
“Ghost Recon Future Soldier” is feeling pretty “Present” right now
My personal mini tracked logi and flying drone?
Nice.
Doesn't roll off the tongue nearly as well tho
Look up Frontlines: Fuel of War. Highly underrated game that actually inspired the military to look into drones/robotics for infantry combat.
also 2007 CnC General's Sentry Drone
Great video. Congrats on your engagement.
Congrats, man! I wish you two my best.
Something on the network connectivity end that you mentioned. I've seen it brought up countless times that drones are kind of locked in a struggle with EW technology. It doesn't really matter if the drone is flying, sailing, or on the ground, jamming and electronic warfare are a problem. The other end of that though, is that broad spectrum, wide area jamming is horribly inefficient for the energy put into it. The intensity of the jamming signal decreases over distance by the square unless I've totally misread how EM radiation behaves. That means that a smaller, less powerful command signal that is closer to the recipient drone has the advantage over a much more powerful, but more distant jamming signal. That does work both ways, a small jammer on top of the enemy is going to have the advantage over a control signal in the back line.
That is the idea behind mobile drone control networks, basically you have a ground station that can be well behind the frontline where all your drone operators, HQ, Intel, etc. types are working, protected by all manner of fancy systems that can't risk getting too close to the actual fighting. From that HQ, you can use a network of much smaller antennas in a relay going forwards. Basically the same way that cell phone towers work in civilian world, your drones can seamlessly jump to the next nearest antenna rather than relying on a signal much, much farther away and more vulnerable to jamming. An interesting idea I've seen, is to use a swarm of drones that are carrying antennas themselves, flying around with fairly low power transmitters that can cut through the interference of a much, much more powerful jamming source forty miles away, because the next antenna they need to reach is only one mile away. It would force the enemy to bring their large scale EW equipment much closer to the front to be effective, thus making it much more vulnerable. The network warfare stuff that the US seems to be following is to turn every single item with a computer chip and an antenna on it to a network connected data relay, probably for exactly the reasons I just mentioned.
I would not be surprised to find out that a large chunk of the army's program for the UGV/Ground drone stuff is actually being put into hardening the entire setup against EW, developing all manner of portable relays to ensure connectivity. Mo transmitters, mo fire missions.
EW problem is an evolving arms race. I would use a combination of layered programs starting with robust AI that can react to jamming or hacks and fall back on predetermined instructions. Secondly, comms should be redundant across the spectrum with strong encryption with rotating keys on a shared schedule. The ability to create truly random numbers in a small space is going to make a huge difference.
Sounds right but it's worth mentioning that each relay typically cuts bandwidth in half.
@@sonictech1000 that's true. Kind of like playing a game of telephone, the more people playing, the shorter the message needs to be to keep it even close to accurate.
Easy and likely answer to EW and jamming will be fully atonomous, AI. So that's the most logical path.
@@tapio83 AI is no where near full autonomy, especially for ground vehicles. Point to point flight, look at this thing, shoot a missile here, that's just a pre-programmed munition. A multi-faceted AI that can make those decisions on its own is decades away at the earliest. To take the ukrainian fighting as an example, how do you get an AI to differentiate between a friendly T72 and a hostile T90? How do you give it the abstract thinking capability to then decide if it should make an attack run or retreat? For a human, there are dozens of points of reference we use, and we get it wrong all the time despite being thousands of times more capable than current AI. The more likely answer is that inertial guidance takes over and an AI does its best not to hit every single tree on the way back to a connection.
*from defence news*
American Rheinmetall introduced what the company said could be the future of short-range air defense, or SHORAD: the Skyranger 30 system, on display at the Association of the U.S. Army’s annual conference, wrapping up today [October 2023].
What’s unusual isn’t the turret, which was debuted in 2021. The Skyranger can fire 1,250 30 mm airburst rounds per minute and elevate 85 degrees. What’s new is its pairing with the vehicle carrying it - an unmanned ground vehicle, or UGV.
On the show floor at the giant defense exposition, the turret sat atop a RIPSAW M5, a robotic UGV produced by Textron Defense Systems, one of Rheinmetall’s partners.
This pairing presents two main variations on the mean for SHORAD.
First, the M5 is smaller than the vehicles the Army typically employs for its air defense. According to Textron, its combat weight is around 10.5 tons, far lighter than the SHORAD-carrying Stryker.
Second, and more importantly, the M5 is unmanned. This is key to American Rheinmetall’s thinking, said CEO Stephen Hedger, speaking to Defense News next to the cannon on Oct. 10.
“People have not been thinking about SHORAD in a UGV capacity,” he said.
Combining the two components, he argued, is an attempt to anticipate a moving target: the Army’s increased focus on air defense and on unmanned vehicles.
After divesting in air defense artillery in the early 2000s, the U.S. Army is now pursuing new mobile SHORAD systems, including those that can defend against the drones that have proved so menacing on the battlefields in Ukraine.
Hedger touted the Skyranger’s ability to do just that. The turret is designed to counter unmanned aerial systems, or UAS. Within three kilometers, Hedger said, the cannon’s kill rate is 90%.
“The requirement for a more lethal SHORAD system that can address a swarm [of drones], that can address a larger and more complex UAV, a maneuvering UAS, loitering munitions is absolutely clear,” Hedger said.
Stacking this turret atop the M5 couples two trends: the Army’s shift toward unmanned vehicles and the increasingly on display need to defend against drones. In other words, it’s an example of a robot-killing robot.
“We certainly wanted to demonstrate here the ability for this type of turret to be integrated with this type of system on a platform like the M5,” said Hedger, who noted that the Army first resolved its interim SHORAD solution but is still looking to the future. “Where the Army may well be headed is a platform like the M5.”
The Army is now responsible for the air defense of Guam, and Hedger mentioned the Skyranger turret’s capability could fit such a scenario.
American Rheinmetall is not the only company with SHORAD experiments on display at the AUSA conference.
BAE Systems featured its new armored turret, which it hopes can eventually swat drones, atop of an armored personnel carrier it’s developing for the Army. General Dynamics loaded the SHORAD system usually carried by the Stryker atop its unmanned TRX, competing for the Army’s robotic combat vehicle light program.
I found this while Googling for details for a comment I was composing about how this could really slot in well with the redesign of the Marines as a lighter force. They could carry their heavy firepower (and other equipment) on these platforms while dispersed in rough terrain.
What is really needed for them is *anti air* and specifically *anti airborne drone* capabilities, if fitted to these platforms then that removes one of the most significant hard counters - spotters acting as forward observers and also hunter killer drones and kamikazes.
Otherwise while embedded on a island a marine unit could be whittled down by cheap enemy drones.
That's why a gun based anti air system is required, using stinger type missiles ends up being not cost effective and has limited capacity.
Imagine having an M5 tag along to take care of enemy drones.... everyone will want one in their unit.
It's a fantasy, trillion worth budget and billions on maintenance per month. Like, I would love to hear solutions for the military budget first. We got multiple other problems domestically, and we got a bunch of foreign problems, everytime it's the same discussion but everyone ignores the side effects, the budget, "let's add more, let's upgrade some more, budget? Never heard of it." 😅...
Top 3 our main issue domestically, recruitment, maintenance and manufacturing. Foreign problems including, thin spread out, our drones and logistics. Money, money, money, money, money like, seriously, this inflation is literally screwing everything up. And you want more upgraded M5? The last abysmal project was the F35 and we lost big, huge chunks for RnD (1T for a plane that is sophisticated we barely have pilots that can fly them without crashing during take off or landing), huge chunk of maintenance literally went to F22, and F35.
We sent 300b+ in weapons, ammunition, training, expertise and dollars to Ukraine, we have a severe budget problem.
@ajstyles5704 *We did not send 300b+ to Ukraine.* That's a myth pushed by Russian trolls.
Most of that amount was simple accounting tricks, old stock sitting in warehouses that was borderline obsolete (yet still kicks Russia's ass) was sent to Ukraine, and was listed in the budget as the cost to replace them as new. In some cases, it saved money as the cost of storage and then decommissioning no longer needs to be paid.
And all the new stuff being built for Ukraine - the money is being spent in the US, that's an economic stimulus, a boon to the economy, an increase in GDP.
Do you want more information about the facts, or are you a pro Russian troll trying to obfuscate the facts?
@ajstyles5704 *We did not send 300b+ to Ukraine.* That's a myth pushed by Russian trolls.
Most of that $ amount was simple accounting tricks, old stock sitting in warehouses that was borderline obsolete (yet still beats Russia) was sent to Ukraine, and it was listed in the budget as the procurement cost to replace them as new.
In some cases, it saved money as the cost of storage and then decommissioning no longer needs to be paid.
And all the new stuff being built for Ukraine - the money is being spent in the US, that's an economic stimulus, a boon to the economy, an increase in GDP.
Do you want more information about the facts as you have been misinformed?
Or are you a pro Russian troll trying to obfuscate the facts and spread misinformation?
@@casbot71 I'm prorussia now? From someone who is concerned about our military budget, I'm a freaking ProRussia now? Are you serious? Were you born in a mental institute? Everything i wrote before, just skip it? The last paragraph and im just Anti-US? So now I'm also misinformed and you throw propaganda to my face? When Biden went to Ukraine you think we spent nothing? When we gathered to discuss sanctions against Russia its just a phone call and paperworks?
300b is 300b either we make them or send them because we didnt sell them. 4 things you forgot to add to your facts, 1) to send them, we spent enormous amount of resources, fuel, salaries, warehouses, escorts, logistics and paperwork to say a few. 2) the expertise we trained them, also includes, weapons, sleeping quarters, ammunition, techs, salaries, food and transportation. 3) the costs, each GMLRS rockets costs 100k, ATACMS costs around 1.6m each. 4) you said increased our GDP, which is hilarious and show you are a Biden fan if you take his word for it, we buy everything to make them, guess how much they costs? Guess how much we spent just making them without including salaries, guess how much it cost getting the resources, techs from multiple locations and then also add the cost to send them across the damn ocean just to give it for FREE. So you spent 100m to build it, 10m goes to salaries, and you said what was it? Where the 90m go? Increased GDP?
It's obvious you don't care, you are not misinformed really, but you depend on what they give rather than the total costs. In the beginning we only gave 18b, and everyone is OK with it, but no one told the actual budget, they only gave a list and their prices, for example, one Bardley junk from storage without the upgraded armor costs 5 bucks, that price is storage price, not included, fuel, ammunition, maintenance, spareparts and delivery fees.
About the Ukraine war, I don't care about it much really, we already won, in the bigger picture we have removed Ukraine from Russia regardless, they used to be our enemies now our weapons are inside their country and fighting Russia in a war, all is well.
Propaganda wise are we beating them and such? I don't buy it, not really, I don't even need to use your own words such as troll, you look at the map, Russia went from right to left at very slow pace, and sometimes it stops, sometimes it goes back a little and then forward again. First I heard about the Mariupol, then Bakhmut, now Avdiivka, the pattern is just Russia gaining more grounds no matter what. If I'm not mistaken Avdiivka is like Bakhmut, but if Bakhmut fell to mercs, I genuinely don't believe it will hold against Russia military, next is Kupyansk if Avdiivka falls. 60k Ukraine military in Bakhmut, around 40k reinforcements and how many Wagner had 50k? I even heard Propaganda said the mercs are better than Russia military, that's like saying the talibans are stronger than our military. But I don't know much about that, you have to educate me on that matter, I just keep up with big events, I do know about the Wagner coup though, they didn't even last a day against the Russian military.
@@casbot71 I'm just going to guess here that my reply got removed. So im just going with much shorter version.
Im not prorussia nor proukraine, 2013 both were our enemies, 2014 the coup happened and we are suddenly on good terms with Ukraine, this Russo-Ukraine war, we already won, and genuinely I'm no hypocrite, couldn't care less what happens to Ukraine, Russia lost its strongest ally against Europe, their reputation and our weapons are in Ukraine.
You said something about increasing our GDP, but in reality, example, we spend 100m to buy our own resources and techs, manufacture and logistics, and later we ship them to Ukraine for free. Let's say we paid 10m for salaries, where the 90m go? We didn't sell them, we gave them equal value minus salaries. Your numbers are only price list of an item, example, the garbage Bradley with no upgrades in storage is 5 bucks, then you say its only 5 bucks, same as the list our military has provided, but when Ukraine gets them without paying anything, meaning, we paid the whole thing from our storage, fuel, spareparts, ammunition and training. Those costs are not mentioned. 300b involves expenses for non combatants that we escorted to Ukraine as well.
I find the idea of a robot tank sneaking up on you within 100 meters without making a sound very terrifying. You already know by the time you actually hear that thing its too late, and has probably already spotted you. Hell no.
Congratulations on the engagement! 🎉
I like these ideas - like a Wiesel without a crew. Who else would love self-propelled 20mm chainguns for an infantry company assault that can take up risky but excellent fire positions for a company attack, driven by the company's Sysop guy? He gets to play C&C to support the infantry movement or assault. It's genuinely a really good idea to remove the crew from smaller vehicles that serve as weapons platforms mostly.
Pssst Americans don’t like mentioning the Wiesel…they never had something comparable
@@d.o.g573 while it looks cool I sure wouldn't want to be in it
@@kameronjones7139rheinmetall has an UGV Wiesel prototype
@@valhalla.technical we will see how it compares
I'm sure they'd love such a vehicle. And there's this relative safety aspect that affects performances. Getting your vehicle shot at and fighting back is probably a lot easier when your life doesn't depend on that vehicle's survival. Plus the psychological detachment when firing at other humans through a robot and a camera. Even more effective fire. Scary.
My friends worked on RoboCop and built the Robot which they dubbed
“ the Chicken” .I had a large warehouse space in downtown SF - they offered to put it my space . It was 10’ tall , made of PVC frame and silastic skin . I really didn’t want to take care of it so I passed . Bet it would be worth some $$$ today !
Awesome
It would be worth a lot today probably
The guest voice for the military procurement challenge promo is great!
Congrats, and thanks for the insight.
To expand on the comparison of tubular chassis at 15:06 and other parts of the video, racecars have big challenges in rigidity because they can't put crossbars in the very center of the structure because there's people there. They can get close but not in all three dimensions. Whereas a chassis for pilotless crafts can choose a more rigid and lightweight design by replacing several of the outer triangle welds for one big weld through the middle.
Also, I think that's where getting these drone tanks shouldn't always be communicating or hooked up to 5G. They should have either predetermined courses and objectives to fulfill or straight up design AI for them. Robocop/Terminator are becoming near reality.
Yes and no. You now have a smaller vehicle with gas or batteries ammo and other modules you need to route around. Tubing is not great either, monocoque would be even better especially with new materials like carbon fibers.
There already is an AI computer for this, its called a Tesla car. FSD.
@@tedmossTesla's software is completely incapable of correctly operating this vehicle. First of all a Tesla car has 4 Wheels. A tank generally has 2 tracks powered by 2 drive wheels. Movement and steering are done in two completely different ways on these two different types of vehicles. A tank has a turret that has to move up and down on X and Y pathways. A car has no such feature. A tank has to be able to drive forward, over uneven terrain, while at the same time traversing, elevating and depressing it's turret and main gun. Software used in transport vehicles has no such ability. Going further a robotic tank must be able to compute all the variables that come with long range shooting. Other variables needed are target acquisition, Range Finding, calculating the correct hold-over for the correct ammunition to compensate for bullet-drop/wind drift.
Tesla's software is more like an automatic shopping cart. The software needed for a successful robotic unmanned tank is almost on the level of how a Terminator is programmed.
The memes will truly be legendary in the coming decades.😅
War thunder players are about to be conscripted to control them
MGS4 was a documentary.
Congrats on the engagement my man!
*Immediately fall in love with Cappy ALL OVER AGAIN when - in the first five seconds - uses the catchphrase "I'd buy that for a dollar!"*
If you know, you know.....
I was an electrical apprentice working at the Lima, Ohio army tank plant. At the time it was still Chrysler. That was in about 1980. They had a few complete tanks and were testing them at over 60 mph so they CAN go faster than 42, they just put a governor on them.
A tank going 60 on the battlefield would mess up the passengers. Spinal cord injuries, concussions, stress fractures/broken bones, etc. That's not even mentioning the munitions or the random soldier joyriding in a tank.😅I mean there's a ton of humvee accidents.
@@Tenzen. I never said it was safe or practical. They were running them through the paces to test reliability. I just said they CAN go faster.
@@donmedford2563TBF, if the drone tank is not completely immobilized or could be compromised then they can just remove safety and turn it into a kamikaze drone by just making it beeline to whatever needs to be offed and just blow it up using the explosives that were supposed to be fired at the objective, might not destroy the objective but will be more useful than just leaving the entire thing semi-untoched and ready to be reverse engineered behind and man, it sounds demoralizing as hell, what do you do when the tank beelines you at full speed and you don't have enough firepower to stop it?
2:01 😂😂 he did an ad for a deal on a ring I bet 😂😂 that's awesome 😎
I'm like wait wait wait, what's a jewelry store doing advertising on this channel??? 😂😂😂
Robot vehicles used in conjunction with infantry and engineering support that are mutually supportive on the battle field.
Onboard enemy location sensors could relay position coordinates of the enemy to other elements of the integrated arms which would neutralise the position.
Finding the enemy on the battlefield has always been the first problem.
Having a wired connection , or a repeater radio signal from a land or flying drone or support vehicle for control or vehicle recovery would seem to be essential.
Great film , thankyou.
Congratulations on your engagement Cappy! Oh yeah, one "L" in control. Great vid!
Does this mean no more sleeping in air conditioned and bug free armored vehicles when out in the field?
They should automate a minivan for combat naps
@@jacobp8294 you can have your squads mechanical mule carry your fast pitch base tent.
Fundio whats your picture about? Chemicals in that food?
No more tanks..... but IFV's will be there for some more time
Make the EM-50
I'm happy to the Howes get the credit they deserve.
Man, I used to watch the Howe&Howe tv show on the Discovery channel as a kid, can't believe their space-age tanks are getting on the battlefield
The one brother has a cool CZcams channel called Howe2Live.
Thanks for sharing Cappy
1. Remote ground vehicles will always be a bandwith/EW nightmare.
2. 10,5 t is light for a light tank but too heavy for a infantry support plattform. It needs it own Chinook and the crew/squat in anotherone.
3. But I like the size, get it down a few tons, make the infantry ride on it to the front, get it locally wire operated, make a breaching, explosive version of it...its the future of infantry warfare.
I agree with you
Where do you plug it in to recharge whenever you get to where you're going?
Or does the Chinook take it B2B every day to recharge?
@@tsubadaikhan6332 Every time one has a thing in hands that is promising there are procedures made to exploit its strengths and cover its weaknesses. This particular guy may have a swappable battery. It may be used for the expensive initial phase of an attack with infantry and bigger tanks with diesel generators coming behind to hold the position. The limited range may not be an issue because going too fast and too far could introduce a whole level of mess in your logistics.
The real problem is how is controlled. Because, as @westphalianstallion4293 is saying, the limited BW and EW are a nightmare (radio can be jammed on the whole area, direct infrared doesn't have enough bandwidth; massers would be an overall better solution but I'm not that familiar with that technology). My hunch is they're using one form or another of an AI. This was the only element that was lacking and preventing the design of a light fighting vehicle that advances 10-20 km, kills everything in a designated area then stops, holds the line, and waits for the squishy humans to arrive.
@@tsubadaikhan6332 I can´t imagine they would really go the way of "plugging in", IMO they would rather go the way of switching out the battery module in the rear areas ( and those being recharged on larger maintenance chassis ).... unless they finally find the super charging cell technology with a few seconds of recharge, endurance and durability.
Drones in ground and air.. that's quite a challenge when both of them play out in warfare..
A soldier has to decide which and when to engage first.. considering both unmanned vehicles working as moving and static defense simultaneously..
Especially when some near peer adversary decides to use AI-based Sentry Gun seen in Call of Duty.. and ends up mounting it on a UGV
We metalgear now
My guy this has been the case for decades. The only difference is that the simultaneous movement of air, ground, and naval units were controlled by humans. Just because the equipment is now being remotely operated does not mean it performs the same job better. It just reduces the number of human casualties when the equipment is destroyed.
@@IndigoSeirra You don’t understand. AI will replace all of those positions and they will be better than human operators in every conceivable way. It’s not a matter of if it will, but when.
@@mybrother1350 how will AI be better? I understand that computers react much faster than humans, but no algorithm (or ai) can innovate like humans can.
A human will be at the very peak of performance while fighting for his/her life. The ai is simply not versatile enough to replicate the abilities of humans.
If a completely autonomous tank throws a track or has a mechanical failure it can't repair itself like a human crew could.
I understand that unmanned tanks are great, but those unmanned systems are being remotely controlled by humans. They are not truly autonomous.
I doubt that any military system will ever be totally autonomous without human input. The potential for blue on blue and software failures is just too large to ignore.
AI will be faster, but humans more innovative. Each have their own place on the battlefield.
Reminds me of AGR in Black ops 2
Congratulations on getting engaged! I really enjoy your videos, too, BTW. Lol.
While working at Armor Center Combat Developments, we looked very hard at a robotic wing tank. The question you have to answer is if the crewed tank becomes disabled with injured crew, does the robot know how to do first aid? Can the robot secure the area without input from a human, operator? Can the robot call for MEDEVAC? Under those circumstances, who wants a robot for a wingman?
A wingman who will put itself between you and the enemy without fear and suppress the enemy even as incoming rounds tear it to pieces. Even as it starts burning up it will still sit there and return fire. Even if a manned tank crew had the balls to use themselves are a shield between the enemy and a wounded crew attempting to retreat, would itself become a liability and loss attempting to suppress the enemy. So the answer can only be that unmanned is the way to go.
4:44 lmao, i wasnt expecting it !👌
Damn the snap to talking about marriage proposals a second after deadly robot tanks left my head spinning😂
he probably used a gun to get the answer he wanted
I set up conventions like comic con and stuff ar an old job. One was for military contractors and a father son company built a remote controlled tank they were driving in the building, it was pretty sweet.
Congrats on engagement Cappy! You and your mrs’s are beautiful together
That switchblade design is very cool
Obviously u didn’t heard Ukrainian opinion about using them😮 tldr: 300 is useless and 600 is ok but do same job as 400$ homemade drone 😅 and it cost like 100+ of those homemades😂
Did wonder whether the Ripsaw was like still a thing, must admit that's pretty cool. Really hope the US converts it's old M1's to go with these. You need a robotic MBT and the next Abrams is already going to be a crewed vehicle. Converting the older ones to be purely robotic platforms makes the most sense, I mean an MBT that can just keep taking hits cause you took the crew and added extra Armor seem like a winning strategy to me, You still need resilience on the battlefield. Besides if I was infantry I would want a robot MBT as my shield not a crewed one, that way the crewed Abram's can hold back. you add the Ripsaw into the mix and you have one heck of an extremely mobile and deadly fighting force, but you need a robotic MBT for this.
Yes fast light, quiet and stealthy has it's place but if you if go with that across the board you are going to have a bad day, Platforms that are built to brawl still have their place and actually more so than ever where we are moving into an era where task role specific specialised tools are becoming the new norm and where the jack of all trades approach is falling by the wayside. You don't want a fighting force filled with just glass cannons the US does not want to make that mistake, got to emphasize on that cause I'm hearing some wushu man-shu design philosophy BS about how robotic tanks should be designed all round and it just like get real come on don't be daft. You are over looking what kind of roles the MBT is suppose to play on the battlefield, ok.
I think the Ripsaw or Ripsaw-esque designs definitely can have a place on the battlefield. Quick, light, easily deployed and maintained weapons platforms can provide a lot of supplemental firepower.
MBTs and frontline brawlers will still have a place for a long time. It’s only a matter of time before effective countermeasures are made to combat the rapidly rising prominence of drones.
congratulations on the engagement my man
Sorry if I am late to the party Cappy, but congratulations on the engagement! I wish you both happiness, health, and peace!
i love the m5 it is the cutest deadliest tank since the m22
M22 is troll
Another average Infantryman here, Jan '83 to Dec 93', medically retired 100% DAV. This is absolutely incredible!! I wonder, what is the order of battle? You don't own it unless you occupy it, so how will that work? Send in the robots to clear the way then the infantry moves in to clean up & occupy? Amazing equipment & once DARPA is unleashed it's only going to get bigger & better. Recharging batteries, make a robot "Charge Station" M5 with 8000 pounds of fully charged batteries for expedient battlefield recharging, and make it autonomous & network connected, it'll know when another needs recharging and how to get to it. Great video!!
Could they theoretically make the battery swappable? So they could have a vehicle that brings charged batteries, and do away with that issue in the field fully? I imagine that could cause issues with “survivability” if they have to change up the armor to make that work. I’m just a civilian who finds this tech interesting as shit so I have no clue how any of this stuff really works.
@@michaelbaums1152 Frankly I think it is silly to consider survivability on a drone. The whole point is that there is nothing really important to protect. Just a 1000 dollar computer. But I agree with having swappable batteries.
@@ColinTherac117 I mean if it’s critically hit, that costs money to replace. Also takes firepower off the battlefield. But yeah that’s definitely one of the benefits. You can prioritize survivability less if you’re not worried about your people getting killed.
Any fan of Star Wars (pre-Disney) could point out the Gunk Droids. They go around charging the others by being portable fusion reactors.
Now on swapping batteries in the beginning of the automobiles there was competition between electric and petrol vehicles where the batteries were on trays they simply swapped out at the stations. Petrol won out because the fuel was more power dense than any battery and people wanted to travel between towns.
Interesting what you can learn from history.
@@ColinTherac117Can you imagine blowing up the turret of one of these things and then it just beelines at full speed at your position, crashes and then ignites in unison the entire ammunition deposit?, what do you even do?, especially if more than one beelines to your defense and you don't have enough firepower to at least blow up their tracks in time.
Congratulations for your engagement, mate!
Congratulations on your engagement🎉❤
Congratulations on the engagement Cappy!
As far as recovery in case of connection loss or low power, I think this issue can be solved relatively easily. Instead of forcing someone to recover it, the tank could keep track of the path that it took to get to its current position and re-trace its footsteps in-case of signal loss.
Additionally, by tracking the path it has taken, the tank could warn the operator when battery is close to becoming too low to return to base.
Perhaps it could even have an automatic RTB feature, allowing the operators to control another tank while it is headed home. It could even have an alert system, allowing it to request manual commands in-case it's engaged or spots possible enemies while returning to base autonomously.
Man, I remember watching Howe & Howe on I think the History channel in like 2008 making the early prototypes for this thing and thinking "that'd be so sick if this ever happens, but it's probably not going to". Here we are 16 years later and it's a thing. Good for them and also, super cool
I find the most interesting aspect of drone/remote controlled warfare is communications and comms jamming.
Osh Kosh B'gosh went from children's clothes to Robotic destroyers- that's diversification!
Congratulations on your engagement! Very cool!
Feels like a upscale Robot Warriors show on TNT..." it's Robot fighting time!!"🛠
Good info and presentation.
btw...Congratulations!
Soon my battlefield vehicle prowess will finally be useful in the real world.
When the power capacity, and full autonomous operation is greatly improved, yes, these are very, very scary machines. I remember watching a reality show years back about these guys showing the earlier development on the Ripsaw.
A search-and-rescue variant of the Ripsaw would be pretty awesome. It could retrieve the wounded from situations that are too dangerous for humans to enter.
Excuse me sir!!!!! I found your channel somehow recommended to me by CZcams. It was on El Salvador gangs being reduced. Realized you were a possible vet due to me seeing the folded flag and your rumpsack, and instantly subscribed. To my surprise lots and lots of military vids. Eager new sub!
I'm so old I remember when ripsaw was on future weapons I think, then had its own show. I wondered if it was still being worked on
Awesome video Chris Cappy technology is getting crazier I bet you wish you had all these devices when you were in the military
Great presentation! As long as we don't become dependent upon these, we should be fine. But man, how long before we have MechWarrior batallions in the Army and AT-AT walkers. What a time ... to try to stay alive.
we won´t have them as long as they can´t figure out to actually armor them ( or defend them by other means) enough to make them impervious against even RPG-7 rounds ... atm they would just be extremely tall and vulnerable targets even if they could move really fast like a BT-Locust.
Congrats on the engagement!