The Finals MVP Doesn't Work
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- čas přidán 25. 12. 2020
- Does something work if it's wrong every now and then? I don't think so. And so, I don't think the Finals MVP works.
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Only give them to Brian Scalabrine, I don’t care if he even plays basketball, he deserves it.
The NBA mvp and finals mvp only works when the nba gives an honest narrative. They totally have a dishonest narrative about steph curry and iguadala in 2015 and it was because it was popular to hate on steph curry and to prop up LeBron James for money reasons. Steph curry shoulda been finals mvp
Big fan of your content! I loved you’re goat series and the LeBron James video!
@@jacobstewart9139 I didn't understand why people hated that 2014-2015 Warriors team. They were built like any organic team should be and they broke out at the right time when they needed veteran toughness, the one thing that held them back from 2010-11 to 2013-14. Along with the veteran toughness, they also had an opportunistic defense and they took advantage of a weakened Cavaliers team to win a championship. And another thing, why do people hate it when a team takes advantage of an opponent that was missing a few starters when a championship is on the line? What happened to that next-man-up mentality?
@@manzac112 great observations!!! I completely agree!
It was so unfortunate that the warriors were not able to repeat due to injury and a ridiculous suspension
best player named Tacko of the year is rigged
Quit the cap
just a hater
Hater
Hater
Tacko deserves an award for the bullshit he puts up with on the Celtics.
Big fan. Love Duncan robinsons voice
LMFAO
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that iggy fmvp still has me so confused 5 years later
Nah It should've been Bron
defense is important, that's all
@@rjpele No because its given to the winning team and the cavs didn’t win so Steph should’ve won it. If it was team neutral I would’ve gave it to LeBron.
Apparently there was some weird collusion with the voters to not give it to Steph or Lebron although I don’t know the full story
@@Ace-uc5cj There isn't a rule that states the Finals MVP has to be given to a player on the winning team, though. LeBron James received the second-most votes for FMVP after Andre Iguodala.
"Its an obsession. I didn't choose it."
There are people who can help
Shhh, then wouldn't make these kick-ass videos. let it go
Operators are standing by
He then goes on to list dr j as the 83 fmvp when it was moses malone and was in no way 'iffy'
The Finals MVP is NOT a lifetime achievement award! It's SPECIFICALLY for THAT series. If you want to argue it should apply to the ENTIRE playoffs, that's a different argument. One I agree with.
True but some people weigh FMVPs heavily when discussing things like all time rankings, which I think is why this video was made
Roleplayer: *wins an award*
Clayton: reeeeeeeeeeee
I’ve always felt every sport should have a playoffs MVP instead of a series or finals MVP. The NHL has the Conn Smythe award and I think it works perfectly. The best example of this is Giguere in 2003. Was he the best player in the Stanley cup finals, no, but the Ducks would not have made it past the first round without him, he was unbelievable. Thus, he was awarded the Conn Smythe as playoff MVP and I don’t think anyone, not even Devils fans, would argue it. I also feel voters feel a need to give the award to a player on the winning team and this goes for all sports with a series/finals MVP in my opinion. As much as I like Iggy, Curry or Lebron should have gotten finals MVP. There are other examples like Paul Pierce in 08 or Wes Unseld in 78. If it had been a playoffs MVP instead, we would probably get more deserving candidates. 4-7 games is not a big enough sample size for an MVP. However, 16-28 is much better for an MVP award especially one with the historical significance that it will give to the player. With this in place, Lebron probably wins in 2015, Kobe wins in 2008 and Elvin Hayes wins in 1978. We need a playoffs MVP, the finals MVP is too restricting.
Baseball has the ALCS/NLCS MVPs, maybe a Conference Finals MVP?
I was thinking the same thing.
Tbh I would’ve picked Jimmy Butler for the 2020 playoffs MVP if it was a thing in today’s NBA
@@ty88nyc35 Even just a playoffs MVP in addition to the FMVP. Baseball has a Conference Finals MVP, a World Series MVP, and a Playoffs MVP
Lots of hockey fans say Martin Brodeur should have won it over JS Giguere in 2003. Brodeur actually won the championship.
Dumars deserved the 89 FMVP. Great on both ends of the floor, while being more efficient than Zeke. Dumars is truly underrated.
Love your channel, but don’t agree on this one. I like that the finals MVP doesn’t just go to the best player on the winning team. It should go to the player it influenced the series most in my opinion.
Completely agree! It's literally in the name of the award. Person who added the most value or stepped up the most during (exclusively) the finals. Regular season awards like Bird winning MVP that year shouldn't contribute to whether Bird deserved the FMVP. That being said, using just whoever scored the most points in the finals is also a dumb way to determine who wins FMVP
Yeah this is a stupid take
Yeah but I think people can't understand impact that well they get caught up in the narrative.
By that logic, all of his points still apply. Did Iggy contribute more to the 2015 finals win than Curry? No, absolutely not. LeBron still should have won the award because he still carried a team missing its #2 and #3 options to a 6 game series. Those missing players also matter a lot more because the Cavs were a very top-heavy team.
Kareem was also more valuable than Magic, Bird was more valuable, IT, Duncan, etc. The bigger problem is the award is most “valuable” player. It isn’t the best player award, so players like Curry, Duncan, and Bird should always win it, because their teams would implode without them.
Also, Curry not having a FMVP is a crime against basketball.
His entire argument is just naming players who are better than the fmvp. Like we already know that maxwell and iggy are not as good as bird or curry, we don’t need another award to tell us that.
This is why I hate the "Steph has no FMVP" argument
Right Steph was always the most valuable player on that team even when Kd was there.
@@onelove2230
It's hard to quantify Steph's value though. Steph has value even when he doesn't play well just due to the impact he has off ball. He gets people open and disrupts defenses just by running around.
KD's value is easier to appreciate just like LeBron because you can count the stats.
The real problem is the Media that votes on it giving the award to Iggy in 2015 due to their infatuation with LeBron. It's stupid to give a defensive stopper the Finals MVP because they never take into account defense in the regular season MVP 😂.
@@onelove2230 he wasn't the most important in the finals/playoffs once kd got there. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
@@jahleelx9270 Stephs value goes far beyond statistics. When he was on the floor they were a different team.
@@onelove2230 I'm not disagreeing with that but kd definitely deserved both finals mvps.
I’m going to be completely real with you here... Tony Parker was the best player in the 07 series. He literally took apart that Cavs defense with his playmaking 😂
I am a huge Tim Duncan fan but I still think that Tony Parker deserved FMVP
I’d disagree cause I think Duncan’s work as the defensive anchor outweighs TP’s offensive edge, but I’d say manu had a great argument in 05
I think you're undervaluing defense, but do you
@@ztlabraptor211 Duncan played almost as bad as Lebron in that series both being inefficient. Parker for a guard was very efficient at 56%. Duncan and Lebron at 44% and 35%!
@@torbjornripstrand1103 a guy can have a bad shooting percentage and still hit the biggest shots of the game stats ain’t everything man
@@casualfandestroyer2503 Correct! Stats is not everything, You need to Watch the games also😄 Good that You say so because so many just read the stats. Especially the so called analysts
Ok, so, spurs fan here, you're absolutely wrong about Parker in 2007, Parker had an amazing season, not just series, he killed it all season long and was damn near unstoppable. I think he set a record for field goal percentage for a guard during the season
In the regular season he shot 52% from the field but in the playoffs it dropped to 48
This video should’ve been “why the mvp award doesn’t work in general” 😭
Finals MVP awards work significantly better than regular season, regular season MVP award is a borderline joke rn
@@PredatorBunny exactly
@@PredatorBunny I disagree the Finals MVP is more of a joke than the regular season MVP, especially since its not neutral its given to the team that wins and some specific people should’ve won it over others.
If reg season MVPS counted the playoffs , Giannis wouldn’t even have 1 MVP I think we can all agree on that when he’s being locked up by the heat and the raptors who are very good teams that can play defense but the heat made the finals which i don’t discredit but we all know if they couldn’t lock up giannis they’d lose and bucks would probably make the finals.
@@Mamba24_81 there should be a regular season MVP and a playoffs MVP. Regular MVP goes to the player that had the best statistical season and playoff MVP goes to the best player on the winning team. I feel like this criteria fixes all the controversy.
The fmvp shouldn’t be a Legacy pick, it in my opinion should be who ever had the best series on either team
On the winning team* you cant be most valuable and lose.
Isaiah Westbrook so if Lebron averaged 80 ppg triple double and loses against the KD warriors lebron still doesn’t earn that ?
@@Bozowomp winning > stats
@@nervio2701 So in other words you'd say Robert Horry is better than Jordan right? because 7 rings is more than 6 which means he won more. you see how stupid you sound now right?
@@nervio2701 The reason you cant just say "he lost who cares" is because players play for different TEAMS not every situation is the same when comparing one player to another you have to take all factors into account. Simply put, to boil it down to one variable is beyond foolish when judging a Individual players performance.
A surprise for sure but a welcome one. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Clayton!
I think Lebron should've won the 2015 Finals MVP from the losing side. He was the best player in that series and it wasn't even close.
Edit: Awww yeah Clayton coming in with the facts later on in the video ftw., Never a doubt. Keep rockin' it.
Wow cubfan never expected you watching bball
Lebron should’ve won multiple final MVPs on the losing team if we’re going this route
@@vauneoso3292 Nope:
2007: Nah
2011: Hell nah
2014: Nope
2015: Definitely
2017: Nope
2018: Game 1 alone puts him in the conversation but still no.
@@noahamankwaah9802 2007 he literally took a team of nobody to the finals, I don’t think he should’ve won fmvp but that counts for something
2011 I most definitely agree
2014 Nobody in that series averaged more than 20 points, except King James and he averaged 28, 7, and 4, kawhi winning that fmvp is debatable because of who he played with
2017 he literally averaged a triple double while scoring 2 less points than the man who actually won fmvp, I still think kd should’ve won but lbj numbers are goat worthy
2018 the man is 1.5 rebounds from a triple double with 34 and 10, he had one double digit scorer on his team and nobody else, while facing 3 flamethrowers and a guy to do everything else, he most definitely deserves that fmvp
@@vauneoso3292 2011?nahh he was outscored by a bench player
2014 hell nah he scored mostly on garbage time
2015 he could have but, Id put curry on that
2017? Nahh kd dominated that finals not even close
2018? Nah he quit on game 4
and when people use it interchangeably with MVP, like when people say Kawhi has 2 FMVP. those two awards are not the same.
but he does have 2 fmvp
@@huh968 yeah but that 2014 spurs team was so selfless and non-star dependant where his other FMVP he was the clear star
@@barsbarsbarz yeah but he still has 2 that's just a fact
@@barsbarsbarz he was the DPOY tho, it's not like he 's a bad role player dude. He was also a lethal 3 point shooter. He was shooting on very high efficiency and being the best defensive player in the league. Iguodala didn't win DPOY and he didn't score on crazy high efficiency either.
true..wade's 2006 finals mvp means way more then kawhi's 2014 one..wade's team needed him way more
Hell of a game yesterday. You were on fire in the first half! Keep knocking down 3s and I expect to see the heat get back to the finals
I prefer the NHL's Conn Smythe trophy, which is MVP for the entire playoffs. It gives you a bigger sample size, and sometimes conferences are unbalanced and the most intense matchup of the playoffs comes in an earlier round.
New video from Clayton is a Christmas present I’m very happy with.
man you have some of the best videos on this website. keep it up!!!!
bro,Bird score 8 points twice in those series.How do you think he can get the finals mvp?
Faxs credic desverd that award not only he had more points but he grauded the best player while doing it
but he has double digit rebounds, lots of steals and assists
Points aren’t everything There are multiple aspects of a basketball game that you can contribute to not just scoring
Bruh if points are the focus of the fmvp/mvp award then Harden should've been the MVP
@@urielmorningstar518 Harden in my view should have more than just one MVP.
Bad take on the Pistons. Zeke was far out of his prime by ‘90. Dumars was All NBA by that time, Thomas wasn’t. It was pretty much universally agreed that Dumars was a better player on the regular season too.
@Clayton Crowley - Please post more consistently. I love your unbiased perspectives on Basketball Greatness. Can’t wait for the next video!
I always think that you make such an interesting content for us, the basketball fans. Kepp going!
Your arguments for the two 2000s one are poor, IMO. It seems like you’re like, it should’ve gone to the guy who is a better player generally and got them there...yet the other guy had a better series and you literally explained that’s the criteria for the award
Yeah I'm no Tony Parker fan but he earned his FMVP.
🛑 Parker deserves his MVP.
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It's indeed a merry Christmas Clayton❤️
I'm a Dubs fan and that 2015 Finals MVP still has me pissed off. I love Iggy and what he brings to the Warriors, but no way in hell should he have won that. Take Iggy off the team, the Warriors might lose in 7. Take Steph off the team, the Warriors lose in 4.
Statistically, Curry averaged more points (26 v 16.3), had more assists (6.3 v 4), more steals (1.8 v 1.3), and damn near tied Iggy for rebounds (5.2 v 5.8) and blocks (0.2 v 0.3), despite his size.
The argument is that Iggy was the defensive anchor for LeBron (who still averaged 35.8, 13.3, 8.8) and that justifies his FMVP, but who the hell was the offensive anchor by the way? FUCKIN STEPH.
Hey man, just wanna say love your content. Can't wait till you blow the fuck up and I can brag about being subbed early. Happy holidays man ❤️
I love your content Clayton. I’m big on the historical content you make.
Love the videos! Keep it up!
Usually post great content, this time gotta disagree with you on some of these, for example Tony PArker had a better finals and came up huge for the spurs in some of those games and rightfully deserved the finals MVP because he was the main offensive threat during that series.
He just gave us a STD. Stress Transmitted Disease. now I forever have to live with this frustration
Clayton with another eye-opening and realist video.
Clayton - here's why I love your work so much (in no particular order):
1.) You had a fun assertion, provided great examples for your assertion to back it up, and still opened the door for us to disagree with you. (I personally like how we have these moments in the Finals where a role player can take advantage of his situation to shine in the spotlight. That's something that you've made mention of in your Jordan video... every player has advantages and it's about what you do with those advantages when you have them. However, to your point, if we are going to get caught up in narratives with this award, it cannot be the defining, end-all-be-all accolade.)
2.) When I watched your video today, and you said you had no idea how to fix the mess, you doubled down on not knowing and provided absurd solutions that we could all laugh at and enjoy (instead of taking yourself too seriously as a journalist by trying to force some solution)
3.) You are a wonderful scriptwriter
4.) You look like Duncan Robinson
Clayton, it's really easy: Postseason MVP.
This takes out the outlier series in the finals since you look at four series with individual matchups and all. So if you carry your team to the finals, but have a slightly worse series there and your team steps in for you, you still are the main reason for the championchip and get your well-deserved award. New discussion will arise from this (should LeBron then have gotten all PS-MVP since 2008?) But it would be a solution to your problem
I think a qualifier would be you have to get to all 4 series in order to be eligible for the Postseason MVP. If that were the case, then LBJ wouldn’t be eligible PSMVP in a couple of those years (2008-2010)
@@ThaClancyFam2 Good idea!
post season mvp if your team wins the championship or otherwise it would just reward people who stat pad.
It should also be noted that in the 1980 finals magic set the record for most turnovers in a finals game, the only reason he won was his game 6 performance, kareem absolutely deserved the award.
I love this style of NBA basketball analysis for this video. Not too serious but yet explains the take well and pretty honest. Also This guy seems pretty cool so I’m definitely subscribing.
I think this is your best video yet - not because of the subject matter but because of your charisma and delivery of a witty and funny script. Good shit Duncan.
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ok but something that does what it’s supposed to 95% of the time works quite well
This guy always makes great content keep it up
I have been waiting for this
i just needed to hear the igoudala one. Curry for sure deserved that one, they said they gave the award to him for "clamping lebron". I dont think letting lebron average 40 in the finals is "clamping" someone.
He clamped him to the most points/rebounds/assists/steals/blocks for either team. The clampening was amazing.
that 2015 Finals MVP had me shoocketh
Love your channel man
Damn bro I remember finding your making the case for Tim Duncan and seeing how underrated you were.
Glad you're getting recognition and the content is getting better.
I don’t really get your point, it’s called “finals” MVP, meaning the most influential player in the finals, not just the best player on the team throughout the season/playoffs🤷
Isiah Thomas>Stockton? 😂 and there’s no way in hell he deserved that finals mvp over Dumars. 6 less points, WAY less efficient, and team is 15 points worse with IT. But that 1 more assist makes him finals MVP, right?
Another quality content from Clayton.
This video was great to watch; another award that you should make a video about is the regular-season MVP. I know that this is much more subjective but I believe that some people earn the award from more of a historical/narrative perspective rather than their stats and impact on the game.
the real finals mvp is the friends we made along the way
My dad was in attendance at the triple OT Game 5 of the 1976 NBA Finals. He was a freshman at Harvard and sat in the top row of the building for that game. An incredible game and memory. I am incredibly envious of my dad.
I do agree with your friends. Even though most people know about liking and subscribing, they don’t always remember to do that sort of thing. Especially liking videos. Now I don’t think these are nearly as impactful as some content creators think they are, but it can only help your channel. But I do appreciate your respect for your audience and not treating us like five year olds haha. A quick reminder should be fine though. I, like your friends, would love to see your channel grow.
Incredible video
I believe the tacko of the year award should also always be the finals mvp
Andre Iguodala winning it in 2015 is the one that bothered me a lot. Wth were they thinking??!!
Didn't realize how many times they gave this award to guys who were not actual MVP's.
Love this video. Love the opinions even if I don't agree. Just too many videos about the same thing but this one is unique and a very good opinion about FMVP. 🔥
Iggy should win him guarding lebron changed the series. Your agreement for that is like max scoring more points. It says "finals" mvp not playoff larry bird had a bad finals where he averaged just 15 PPG on .419 shooting and .460 TS%. Max's Games 3 through 6, when he put up 22.5 points on 64.8 percent shooting and 11.0 rebounds per game.
Yeah but Bird averaged 15rebs and 7ast while having a gravity
Imagine telling someone like magic or bird or kareem that someone will win fmvp for holding the opponent to 35 ppg. Theyd laught in your face and tell you that that eould be the dumbest shit ever
I dont think they ever played in the finals but isnt that essentially what Bill Russell basically dealt with every year against Wilt? Wilt used to have insane averages against Bill but usually Bill made the stops when it counted most and won the game. Always thought that was kind of a cop out.
@@NewGoldie It was more than just that though. Russell was a far better leader and team player. His defensive impact also went beyond just the other team's center, blocking shots from guards etc.
@@mkbzam lebron had 40% fg so idk what ur talking about
@@mkbzam yeah and he pushed it to 6 games lets not ignore that. And without kyrie and love too
2015 -“Who should we give the finals MVP to? LeBron or Steph?
Adam Silver -“I want igudala!”
Yo Clayton your videos are cool af man. Can you make on on the 2014 Spurs and their beautiful offense
I second that. That championship is talked about enough
It's called the Final's MVP. It's for the most valuable player in the finals series. There is no reason they should be giving it to the best player on the team in general or in the regular season or anything like that. It's specifically for the player that performed the best in the finals. If the best player on the team did not perform as well as another player on that same team in the finals then you would not expect them to get that award. Not sure what the problem is here.
Duncan Robinson is just trying to pave the way for himself to win it in the future
Lmao
I think the NHL has it right with the Conn Smythe and rewarding the best THROUGHOUT the postseason
About 1989:
Joe - 27.3 PTS, 6.0 AST
Zeke - 21.3 PTS, 7.3 AST, 1.5 STL
But what makes the award Joe's was the shooting numbers. Both took 66 shots, but Joe made 38 (58%) while Isiah made 32 (48%). Joe took 38 free throws and missed 5 for an 87 FT%, Isiah took 13 less and missed 1 more for a 76 FT%. Joe also only averaged 1 foul per game in comparison to Isiah's 3.25, so overall it's fair Joe Dumars won Finals MVP.
Dear Clayton, I agree with you and thank you for this content
Lowkey, Timmy was the best player on the '14 Spurs too
Facts could’ve easily won it in 2014
I think the Finals MVP should be changed to the Playoffs-MVP. Take Jilmy Butler: Due to the Lebron and AD superteam, there‘s no award to honor Jimmys run to the finals
Why should there be an award for that ?
@@nervio2701 because some players are performing heroicly in the playoffs. Take Dame. Dame is carrying the blazers in the playoffs every single time. For example:
Iggy:
He was playing worse than curry in my opinion in the WHOLE POSTSEASON but he won a Finals MVP.
Jimmy Butler:
He carried a team that nobody of us thought they could make it to the finals and what did he get? Nothing.
you give me the same vibe as jimmy highroller. Thats a big fucking compliment. Love your content! keep it up!
straight as but don't think we didn't notice that fire eye makeup. Great video.
The correct title should be "The Finals MVP Doesn't Always Work". Even other awards have controversial picks every now and then.
I'm a Pistons fan (not very old though), and I'd revisit the 1989 Finals if I were you. Joe Dumars was really good, and far more efficient than Zeke.
Ali S Yup, and averaged a grand total of 1 less assist than Zeke, so it's not like Isiah was the sole playmaker of the team. Dumars was also the better defender that series. Dumars was the team's co-star, and while I love Clayton, I don't think he researched this series very well.
Dumars had the matchup with Magic and took advantage of the matchup speedwise. They ran multiple plays on whoever magic was guarding (Dumars) exploiting magic's defense. Dumars deserved that fmvp
I'm ok with Tony Parkers finals MVP, and honestly as a spurs fan, I think Ginobili should've gotten it in 2005
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You could just let it go to the best player through the playoffs, (with the understanding that it goes to a player on the championship team) that way it lessens the chance at shenanigans of giving it to a role player, plus, you can't win a championship if you don't GET to the Championship, besides there have been years where the East has been SO bad the the WCF was in effect the actual finals, and that series ends up being much more pivotal and important.
They could just have a Playoffs MVP instead.
That's an award I would rather see too.
Then no MVP for the finals? I wouldn’t mind a postseason MVP tho.
That's how hockey does it
Agreed
why? the award would go to the player that was that guy in the finals anyway. what the hell would that award accomplish? "hey ur the most valuable player of the playoffs even tho u got bounced in the second round" like what? you think you want that idea but really its just terrible and wouldnt make any sense, and would lack value the MOMENT its given to a player that didnt even get the ring. the playoff mvp is much like the normal mvp, except the shot of that award is reserved for winners and the runner up to that ONE GROUP of winners.
Playoff mvp instead of finals mvps
No
Clayton. You are right! Sometimes some mistakes are made. Like in 2005. Manu Ginobili should've been the Finals MVP, however the price was given to the second best player in those finals, Tim Duncan. Sometimes franchise playes receive prizes they don't deserve.
loved that video!
2015 finals was when I realized I had been a Lebron hater for his time in Miami, he became my favorite player and they didn’t even win
this renders mj's main goat argument useless. thanks, i'll remember this for the MJ stans.
He is still 6 time champion and 6-0 in the finals
I think lebron is the GOAT there is still an argument for MJ and that doesn’t make it useless
@@evan-vl9iq So what? Bill Russell is 11-1 in the finals? Is he better than Jordan? No. Sam Jones has 10 championships, and Robert Horry has 7 championships. But none of them are better than MJ, right? But they have more chips? Doesn't quite make sense, now does it?
@@hectorthomsen Please stop thats the worst argument I’ve ever heard
@@hectorthomsen I mean, bill russell is the goat so...
I get where you’re coming from in this video and the joe dumars one and Andre iguodala ones don’t make sense but I feel like every other one was a good choice. It’s not about who has the overall better career, it’s about who has the better series. The tony Parker one is valid because he did have a better series against the cavs than TD did. If we were talking about the GOAT for every team, Timmy makes it, bird makes it, IT makes it, but it’s about who has the better series. Good video tho👍🏻
another great video
This was funny and almost has a sitcom vibe... Very cool
I agree with your take and want to bring up one additional supporting argument to back up your point why picking the right FMVP matters.
I recall on one of the Bill Simmons podcast mailbags, this guy wrote in saying his measure of All Time Greats in basketball boiled down to how many FMVPs you had. That current list?
1. Bill Russell (No, the award didn’t exist at the time. But we know he would have had at least 6 if not plenty more. The award is named after him, for goodness sake.)
2. Jordan - 6
3. Lebron - 4
T4. Johnson, O’Neal, Duncan - 3 (Give Duncan Parker’s FMVP and it would give him 4. Lebron would tie him for 3rd.)
T7. Reed, Abdul-Jabbar, Bird, Olajuwon, Bryant, Durant, Leonard - 2 (Johnson’s FVMP going to Jabbar would give him 3 and they would swap spots. Bird also moves up with Maxwell’s FMVP.)
Not saying it’s a perfect metric, but it’s certainly not a bad one. Arguably, in the all time great discussion, being the most valuable member on a championship team multiple times should count for something. But if the most deserving person doesn’t receive it, they aren’t getting their due credit.
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You're preaching to a very large choir where I'm from lol
Dude, I don’t know…even watching that series at the time it felt like Iggy kept on coming up huge in the most important moments. I kinda like that MVP and Finals MVP are independent, and I also remember regular season MVPs with a lot more ease than Finals MVPs.
But you’re still awesome, man.
Basketball is imperfect, that’s what makes it great. How many times have we hyped up a possible future superstar then watched as he fultz all over himself. Sometimes a chapter is lame but that’s what makes a the book awesome.
I can't take people seriously who inject Finals MVP into the GOAT debate.
Thats why no one takes you seriously
Quality content
The goat has returned
Excellent video 📹 👏
Keep up the great work! Keep grinding!
Good video. Kareem not winning was perhaps the worst decision. It is believed that Kareem didn't win because the press absolutely hated him and the press picks the MVP. Kareem averaged 33.4pts-13.6reb-3.2ast-4.6blk to Magic's 21.5pts-11.2reb-8.7ast-2.7stl. Not even close and add to the fact that opposing team was concentrating the most on stopping Kareem. Cedric Maxwell winning was another good choice for this list. 17.7pts-9.5reb-2.8ast-0.2stl to Birds 15.3pts-15.3reb-7.0ast-2.3stle. Yes, ,Bird didn't shoot as well and score as much but he had 6 more rebounds and 4.2asts more and 2.1stl more. He clearly deserved it.
I don't think Tony Parker winning was that much of a stretch though. Parker was 24.5pts-5reb-3.3ast-59.5%TS vs Duncans 18.3pts--11.5reb-3.8ast-48.3%TS. Parker had the slight lead in the gamescore (like win share) and slight lead in ORTG-DRTG difference. So it was close at least. Kareem was obviously MVP and not close.
Or maybe cause he wasnt present in Philly during the trophy presentation