Making the Case - Magic Johnson

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  • I think that there are 8 players in NBA history that you can make the argument for as the Greatest of All Time. Magic Johnson is one of them. In this video, I make the case.
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  • @JustAJok3r
    @JustAJok3r Před 4 lety +1512

    Today I’m going to be making the case: for this as the greatest basketball series of all times!

  • @tomk6292
    @tomk6292 Před 3 lety +276

    Wasted the worlds best pornstar name on a basketball career

  • @JonSmith-hk1bq
    @JonSmith-hk1bq Před 4 lety +1418

    Thought of the Day:
    If Magic were born 25 years later, people today would swear up and down that he'd be way too soft to play in the 80s.

    • @dasupremegentlelad4321
      @dasupremegentlelad4321 Před 4 lety +55

      Easily

    • @tuvshinsanaayalalt3494
      @tuvshinsanaayalalt3494 Před 4 lety +144

      Honestly i feel like magic is lebron but less in terms of athleticism

    • @anthonynorman7545
      @anthonynorman7545 Před 4 lety +2

      For real!

    • @robmarlett5078
      @robmarlett5078 Před 4 lety +71

      I was a Celtic fan through out all of Magics career, but I have to say I think Magic was the GOAT. Better than Bird Jordan or Lebron because you could have put Magic on any team and he would not only take on the right role needed for that team but would elevate all his team mates as well.

    • @tuvshinsanaayalalt3494
      @tuvshinsanaayalalt3494 Před 4 lety +95

      @@robmarlett5078 Doesn't Lebron also does that?

  • @JaySee5
    @JaySee5 Před 4 lety +407

    Peaceful transition of power other than Kareem to Magic: Admiral to Duncan.

    • @nanka2002
      @nanka2002 Před 3 lety +21

      Thanks for pointing that out... David Robinson

    • @MsTruebi
      @MsTruebi Před 3 lety +35

      Also: Dirk to Luka

    • @Gabriel-lg8ik
      @Gabriel-lg8ik Před 3 lety +1

      Lebron to davis

    • @osakafoojin
      @osakafoojin Před 3 lety +4

      Curry to Durant

    • @tomk6292
      @tomk6292 Před 3 lety +12

      @@Gabriel-lg8ik we dont know yet, we will see over the coming years. Lebron is still the leader

  • @benbauer7866
    @benbauer7866 Před 4 lety +821

    Really enjoy this series. It's refreshing to have this GOAT conversation in a way which celebrates the game's greatest legends without tearing them down.

    • @manz848
      @manz848 Před 4 lety +23

      Yeah it’s not like how other players are worse just about how they are better

    • @razkable
      @razkable Před 4 lety +3

      i think honestly no b.s. magic is the 8th best player of all time..not trying to hate but he had teams stacked he had riley the coach he had kareem he had the weak west to dominate unlike say the 80' east elite and he had a pass first mentality no real defensive assets and he barley could shoot from outside 14 feet

    • @manz848
      @manz848 Před 4 lety +24

      Asmosis Jones honestly the top 8 players he picked as in the goat coversaiotn are the top 8 best players of all time and in my opinion they all could be in any order and it would still work

    • @datguitarplayer1656
      @datguitarplayer1656 Před 4 lety +5

      Great, great point

    • @raw5889
      @raw5889 Před 3 lety

      That’s not the way a debate works, realistically you can’t have 8 greatest of all time’s

  • @davidramos4317
    @davidramos4317 Před 4 lety +396

    42-15-7 on the road to clinch a finals as a rookie. Stepping in for KAREEM.

    • @datguitarplayer1656
      @datguitarplayer1656 Před 4 lety +33

      That was incredible. I hate to date myself...but I remember watching that game with my old man. Really cool. Cause at the time (and now) I truly believed Kareem is the greatest player of all time. And to step in for him was just amazing.

    • @yeatdagoat173
      @yeatdagoat173 Před 4 lety +6

      @@datguitarplayer1656 He had the greatest player of all time on his team and people think he's a top 5 player

    • @datguitarplayer1656
      @datguitarplayer1656 Před 4 lety +27

      @@yeatdagoat173 The crazy thing to me is how James Worthy is being lost to time... people look at Showtime now and seem to forget Worthy was a bad, bad man. As a three piece...I gotta say... I take Kareem, Magic & Worthy over Steph, Klay & KD, over Jordan, Pippen & Rodman, and over LeBron, Bosch & D Wade.

    • @vincentmack5842
      @vincentmack5842 Před 3 lety

      X@@yeatdagoat173 zc6 """" qq1aa

    • @yeatdagoat173
      @yeatdagoat173 Před 3 lety +4

      @@datguitarplayer1656 Not too sure about that but I see where you come from. I feel Steph personally plays basketball better than Magic and KD is more unguardable than Kareem but I guess Worthy is better than Klay then. But yeah I guess you're right tbh Magic = Steph, Kareem > KD, Worthy = Klay. Also I'm measuring from a talent perspective, not necessarily a greatness perspective. So I am not taking into account Magic's impressive accolades. also is it fair to truly consider Magic a top 5 player when he arguably had the GOAT at that time playing in his team. Kareem considerably raised the floor of that team. I think Magic is more like top 7ish

  • @tylershep4220
    @tylershep4220 Před 3 lety +113

    When I was younger I used to think that the Orlando Magic was named after Magic Johnson

    • @ezirulez4eva175
      @ezirulez4eva175 Před 3 lety +10

      Same

    • @ALY-xc7fl
      @ALY-xc7fl Před 2 lety +23

      Idk why but this is fucking hilarious

    • @Animalis_Mundana
      @Animalis_Mundana Před 2 lety +1

      My young mind also initially made that correlation. Eventually figured out there really was no connection.

    • @Trancymind
      @Trancymind Před rokem

      I highly suspect it is true.

    • @rocbot9479
      @rocbot9479 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I thought they made the team for him when I was younger 😂

  • @danielcrowleyatc9701
    @danielcrowleyatc9701 Před 4 lety +464

    Another thing I found extremely impressive was his comeback After 4 years away from the game, he was still really good and a matchup nightmare.

    • @elomon3473
      @elomon3473 Před 4 lety +39

      And scored triple doubles playing forward

    • @yccmzimmy
      @yccmzimmy Před 4 lety +41

      What if... he did not have to stop for those years? would we remeber Mchael Jordan in the same way?

    • @danielcrowleyatc9701
      @danielcrowleyatc9701 Před 4 lety +29

      I wish he could've kept playing, and I really wish he would have done what he said originally and became a free agent point gaurd after his comeback season. Maybe the Lakers would have traded Van Exel and kept Magic? His career was so impressive, but unfortunately cut short. I imagine Magic and Jordan would have faced each other at least one more time in the finals if he'd been able to keep playing. And on that note one often overlooked fact is that Worthy was hurt and that's why they could put Pippen on Magic in the 91 finals. It would have been a totally different series if Worthy was healthy.

    • @raw5889
      @raw5889 Před 3 lety +1

      yccmzimmy probably not, same thing with Larry bird

    • @yccmzimmy
      @yccmzimmy Před 3 lety +1

      @@mamaamaor sounds like you do not know much about Magic... what do you mean for "few years" for a player that won his first title in his rookie year and become the MVP of the finals... maybe you meant "few months".
      Have a look at game 6 of 1980's finals.
      If we have a look at the facts then sounds like we should revert the names in your assertion:
      Magic won 3 championships in his first 6 years in NBA and was MVP on two of them on his first and on his 3rd year in the league.
      While Jordan won his first title and MVP final on his 8th year in NBA...
      Please have a look at the facts, thanks

  • @alexvokoun9272
    @alexvokoun9272 Před 4 lety +315

    I love this series thus far. I love how instead of making a case for a singular goat, you are honoring eight guys who should be treated as basketball gods. It’s a lot more exciting to have 8 mythical figures than just one god.

    • @derekralston5967
      @derekralston5967 Před 4 lety +20

      Now you know how the Israelites felt

    • @ahmedabdullah4034
      @ahmedabdullah4034 Před 4 lety +4

      @@derekralston5967 lol

    • @raw5889
      @raw5889 Před 3 lety

      But it’s not accurate.

    • @mariovh
      @mariovh Před 3 lety +3

      that's why i never say this or this one is the Goat...coz it's impossible in team sports
      that's why i see it the same way...like in layers and on the top these 8 would be there with Kobe , Malone , Oscar , Barkley etc etc

    • @jamiewalking
      @jamiewalking Před 3 lety +2

      this for me is polytheism vs montheism debate in a nutshell

  • @phillipnoetzel8846
    @phillipnoetzel8846 Před 3 lety +81

    Bird and Magic's rivalry, and then eventual truly honest friendship could teach this world a lot of valuable lessons right now. I was a boy through this Era of the NBA and that gift they shared was one of the greatest things that sport has ever taught me.

    • @carlwalker9635
      @carlwalker9635 Před rokem

      F*ck Bird, you pale people will never cease trying to use Bird as a parasite with Magic as the Host. They played two different positions, they are not goddamn, Simease twins.

    • @josepharchuleta3129
      @josepharchuleta3129 Před rokem +1

      WOW! THAT is SO TRUTHFUL and well said! I was there with you as a youngster watching those two go at it! What a special place in time for me!

    • @RGRundeRGRound
      @RGRundeRGRound Před 4 měsíci +1

      I was a boy growing up in Terre Haute in those days! In fact ISU lost their first game that year on my birthday 🎂
      But guess what? I'd say MAGIC is honestly my 2nd favorite all time player. Larry & MAGIC taught us a LOT.

  • @jacobhume5122
    @jacobhume5122 Před 4 lety +424

    This channel severely underrated and the content is amazing. This channel will blow up really soon

    • @georgiosnmanesiotis9561
      @georgiosnmanesiotis9561 Před 4 lety +1

      Definitely

    • @justinr5989
      @justinr5989 Před 4 lety +3

      Absolutely, Clayton, your content is as good as it gets. People will find it just like we have.
      Great stuff diving into each vid's premise and sticking to it, simply Making the Case...
      Keep it up!!

    • @Romamb
      @Romamb Před 4 lety +1

      Hope so. It's quality.

    • @hunterjames4433
      @hunterjames4433 Před 4 lety

      Seriously

    • @Romamb
      @Romamb Před 4 lety

      @@hunterjames4433 seriously what?

  • @TheLAKERSareGodsTeam
    @TheLAKERSareGodsTeam Před 4 lety +29

    9:00 a tremendous point that is more than overlooked. The 80's NBA was literally a combination of the best of 2 leagues, the combined NBA/ABA. It wasn't like the post-expansion 90's where the NBA stretched it's talent thin in order to populate expansion team rosters.
    The 80's NBA was like an All-Star Dream Team made up of the best of the the NBA and ABA.

  • @zaladatv
    @zaladatv Před 4 lety +88

    Over time as you watch the game you realize that the single player GOAT argument is just for the pundits to have something to say. This series reinforces that better than a 10 hour docuseries does for the opposite.

    • @amberbastianelli6025
      @amberbastianelli6025 Před 4 lety +11

      This is a really good point. For the most part, I think NBA fans have the same top 9, we just argue about the order, and generally those arguments are pretty baseless. You can argue any of them to be better than any of the other for the most part depending on what you value in a player more, so there really isn't an answer.
      (When I say 9 players, I'm referring to the 8 he has videos for plus Kobe. Most people have a top 10 consisting of those 9, and the 10th player seems to vary, but it's often Shaq. Personally, I would rank them Jordan, Kareem, LeBron, Russell, Wilt, Bird, Magic, Duncan, Kobe, but there are very few rankings of these 9 that I would take issues with.)

    • @razkable
      @razkable Před 4 lety +2

      mj is the goat....I can boil it down to one thing....he was the best scorer defender and retired twice on top and never needed a third option really.....he should have 8 titles 7 mvps...the dude was not along for the ride like kareem was or duncan for their final ring he wasn't a role player like 2000 kobe he didn't need stacked frontlines like bird or a big three like lebron he didn't need a 3rd double digit scorer in the 97 playoffs toni was his third option avg. 7.9 ppg and pippen was down to 19.8 ppg and that season mj was robbed mvp with a 69 win season dealing with many injuries to frontline players like luc rodman and toni all year ....he led his team in scoring every night and outscored whoever was on the other team every series...what more do I need to say?

    • @raw5889
      @raw5889 Před 3 lety

      Not really. It might be a more complex question than people think but there still is a definitive answer. There’s no such thing as multiple greatests.

    • @raw5889
      @raw5889 Před 3 lety

      Amber Bastianelli shaq and Hakeem are both better than kobe.

    • @amberbastianelli6025
      @amberbastianelli6025 Před 3 lety +3

      @@raw5889 I can maybe see the case for Shaq over Kobe if you value dominance in their primes way above longevity, winning, and accolades, but Hakeem? Really? What is the case for Hakeem over Kobe? Kobe was better in his prime, dominant for much longer, has a much more impressive set of accolades, and he won a lot more. What area does Hakeem beat Kobe in by enough to offset all that?

  • @gretchenlittle6817
    @gretchenlittle6817 Před 4 lety +32

    I lived in Dallas in the 80's and had the good fortune to see the Lakers v. Mavs several times live. Video doesn't do justice to some of the assists Magic dealt out -- he'd put so much spin on the bounce pass that the ball would bend around the defense, right into the hands of Worthy, Scott, or Cooper. All of this at full speed -- those guys didn't even have to adjust their stride.

  • @TheOlmonroe1
    @TheOlmonroe1 Před 3 lety +59

    Any time Larry Bird is speechless, you've done something great. I remember that Game 4 junior sky hook and how quiet it got in the Garden. Great hooping by two great teams.

  • @geordiejones5618
    @geordiejones5618 Před 3 lety +45

    My favorite individual feats ever are Magic filling in for Kareem, Jordan dropping 63 in double OT on the 86 Celtics, and Lebron scoring 29 of the Cavs last 30 in game 5 of the 07 ECF. All 3 games were on the road and were the youngest examples of each player rising above the occasion into greatness.

    • @cameronnovak
      @cameronnovak Před rokem +1

      But not Kobe Bryant scoring 81 in a game, or 61 in his final game after 20 years in the league???

    • @wvu05
      @wvu05 Před rokem +1

      A game that the Bulls lost? And where Baylor's record (the Lakers won that game) of 61 only needed 48 minutes instead of 58?

    • @jonnstewart2023
      @jonnstewart2023 Před rokem +3

      @@cameronnovak he was highlighting the greatness of young players , kobe wasn't that young at that time

    • @thorntonwilliams3851
      @thorntonwilliams3851 Před rokem

      Jordan lost that game.

    • @kevinchavis2755
      @kevinchavis2755 Před rokem +2

      @@thorntonwilliams3851 no the Bulls lost that game

  • @godnotavailable2094
    @godnotavailable2094 Před rokem +6

    I can't believe these Making The Case videos haven't hit a million views yet. Honestly some of the finest mini-documentary masterpieces I've ever seen on CZcams.

  • @Pronzini1
    @Pronzini1 Před 4 lety +152

    Bird: Magic is just a great basketball player. The best I've ever seen."

    • @razkable
      @razkable Před 4 lety +5

      he really meant to say the lakers have the best team ever....I mean worthy kareem magic scott mcadoo cooper ...thats just unfair....they always had wilkes or nixon before scott and worthy they got a.c. and mychal after mcadoo as kareem aged and rambis left

    • @maximilianwalsh5580
      @maximilianwalsh5580 Před 4 lety +26

      Magic also said the same about Larry though

    • @rackedup4892
      @rackedup4892 Před 3 lety +2

      Asmosis Jones Celtics had 6th man hofees

    • @5-iwnl-596
      @5-iwnl-596 Před 3 lety +1

      Light Bulb Plant no he didn’t magic has said before that Jordan was much better than Larry.

    • @maximilianwalsh5580
      @maximilianwalsh5580 Před 3 lety +1

      5 -iwnl- he may have claimed Larry was the best before Jordan became Jordan.

  • @lovehate4666
    @lovehate4666 Před 4 lety +45

    Man I miss those days! I grew up 50 miles from East Lansing and rooted for Magic & MSU, yet when I learned about Larry Bird and watched him play I was sold... They really did put the NBA on their backs and changed it forever. Greatest rivalry in all of sports.

  • @japphan
    @japphan Před 4 lety +57

    When you watch Magic, you constantly ask yourself "how?"
    With other greats you usually know how they do what they do, they are just that fast, that accurate etc. But there is something about a man's mind being so much superiour to us mortals'.

    • @razkable
      @razkable Před 4 lety +4

      if you watch this season lebron has played a lot like magic in 87

    • @raw5889
      @raw5889 Před 3 lety +10

      Asmosis Jones as great a passer he is he literally can’t scrape magics boots.

    • @deserthobo
      @deserthobo Před 3 lety +6

      @@razkable lebrons passing is great but Magic was godlike

    • @beverageman4827
      @beverageman4827 Před 3 lety +1

      RAW asshitshow LeBron is better, magic is more... well, magic at plays and passes

    • @leultrainstinct406
      @leultrainstinct406 Před 3 lety +1

      RAW asshitshow i wouldn’t say that, it’s definitely close. You could make a case for both. I’d say they’re equal when you combine their flashiness, fundamentals, and iq. In fact they’re basically the same. Pull up a passing reel of both, there’s no difference.

  • @warj3396
    @warj3396 Před 4 lety +50

    When I looked at your sub count I was expecting to see like 10-20 thousand. Your videos are really high quality man.

  • @ImLouPalomaBM
    @ImLouPalomaBM Před 4 lety +28

    You do a phenominal job..Extremely thorough

  • @TheNamesDitto
    @TheNamesDitto Před 2 lety +5

    Just gonna say. This is the best basketball series/medium I've ever consumed.
    Better than the Last Dance, SB Nation, ESPN or anything. It's just so damn good my friend, you're one hell of a narrator and filmmaker

  • @michaeljamesmccabe
    @michaeljamesmccabe Před 3 lety +10

    If you want to throw in a "silly hypothetical", like a team of five GOAT's vs a team of five GOAT's, you might want to consider how well a five man team of Magic Johnson's would do.

  • @sticky-fingers
    @sticky-fingers Před 4 lety +22

    Magic is definitly in my top 3. Amazing point guard, amazing first year in NBA, 5/9 titles, amazing smile and personnality.

    • @BallerBrain
      @BallerBrain Před 11 měsíci

      I have him at 7, someone that didn't get a making the case video is my 6

  • @AFR0MAMBA
    @AFR0MAMBA Před 4 lety +15

    17:00 as a lifelong Lakers fan I almost felt sorry for Larry when he said this
    ....almost

  • @TheGreatAndEpicMe
    @TheGreatAndEpicMe Před 4 lety +21

    Imagine how much more he could have accomplished given more time.

  • @joeloomis3425
    @joeloomis3425 Před 4 lety +25

    I'm still in aww!! An find myself rewinding all the time cause some those moves an passes he was puttin on was just unbelievable!!! The League hasn't seen anything like since or during or make that in its History!! He was one of a kind No Dout about it!!! Put it in slow motion kids an watch wat the man was doin all them yrs ago wow!!!!

    • @soulg77
      @soulg77 Před 4 lety +1

      Lol, was doing the exact same thing. Some of those passes were just mind boggling.

  • @justaderrickrosestan
    @justaderrickrosestan Před 4 lety +22

    Damn when I watched the Larry Bird vid I expected you to have 100k+ Your so underrated and you will definitely blow up soon. Happy to be here before you blow up

  • @YOURMOM230
    @YOURMOM230 Před 3 lety +10

    “Couldn’t play in today’s game” well guys look at lebron.... very similar player and he is still rolling.

  • @Zarglos
    @Zarglos Před 2 lety +2

    I was very fortunate to be able to watch both Magic and Bird play. They both saved the NBA.

  • @smorgasbordtv4092
    @smorgasbordtv4092 Před 4 lety +34

    Larry Bird said Magic Johnson was the greatest player he ever seen. I agree wit Larry on this one

    • @bGzzzzz
      @bGzzzzz Před 3 lety +5

      That was until they both met Jordan....

    • @Zamppa86
      @Zamppa86 Před 3 lety +1

      And Magic said Jordan was the best he has ever seen.
      But all in all that trio, Jordan, Magic and Bird, are the 3 greatest players of all time. After those three are Kareem and Kobe.

    • @ronnypooky
      @ronnypooky Před 3 lety +2

      @@Zamppa86 lebron is better than all of them except jordan. respect the opinion though.

    • @alexisrosalesruiz7334
      @alexisrosalesruiz7334 Před 3 lety

      @@Zamppa86 Love Magic. and Kareem, I grew up in LA listlening to Chick Hearn almost everynight. Until Kobe came, I thought they were the greatest. And maybe they are. They have a special place in my heart. The way I recncile the debate is: Kobe is the most skillfull player of all time and Magic is the greatest.

    • @lloydkline1518
      @lloydkline1518 Před 2 lety

      Magic Johnson 🎩 original 6 feet i8 nches point guard

  • @jonnelson6446
    @jonnelson6446 Před 4 lety +41

    After watching this great series, I'm convinced that all 8 of the players Clayton focuses on were the greatest ever. An 8 way tie.

  • @christopherkettler8727
    @christopherkettler8727 Před 3 lety +9

    Magic is the guy who made me fall in love with the game

  • @Solitude102
    @Solitude102 Před 4 lety +2

    I normally don't watch youtube videos more than once, but this series is just THAT good.

  • @brandonmolina4373
    @brandonmolina4373 Před 4 lety +7

    Hey man I just have to say I love these videos and these are amazingly high quality not only in editing but omg this is some really well done writing

  • @marlonbarrientos
    @marlonbarrientos Před 3 lety +26

    I really believe magic was the greatest of all time, he made everyone around him great and no one else had consistently done that.

    • @lloydkline1518
      @lloydkline1518 Před 2 lety

      Original 6 feet 8 inches point guard

    • @innosanto
      @innosanto Před 10 měsíci +2

      He is the goat together woth Bird. These two are the goat.

    • @younggod3906
      @younggod3906 Před 8 měsíci

      @@innosantofacts

  • @averagewhiteman5939
    @averagewhiteman5939 Před 3 lety +11

    I’ve always been shocked Magic doesn’t get more GOAT attention. During the 80s it seemed like he and Bird were battling it out for top dog (magic winning 2 of 3) and I’m not so sure magic wasn’t the guy.

    • @kevinchavis2755
      @kevinchavis2755 Před rokem +1

      Cause he’s not.

    • @BallerBrain
      @BallerBrain Před 11 měsíci

      I have him at 6

    • @innosanto
      @innosanto Před 10 měsíci

      In my opinion the goat is Bird and Magic. The two players taken as one.

    • @BallerBrain
      @BallerBrain Před 10 měsíci

      I don't think Magic or Bird have a strong case compared to Jordan, Lebron, Wilt, or Bill Russell

  • @Marcus-ml3gt
    @Marcus-ml3gt Před 4 lety

    Stumbled across this content by accident and I must say it’s probably the best basketball series on CZcams! Definitely puts certain things into perspective that I may have not known before. I’m 23 so I never really got to watch Magic and Bird play live just through stories so it’s very interesting too learn the game this way. Very good job on the other vids in the series as well and I look forward to the next video!

  • @roboseyo
    @roboseyo Před 5 měsíci

    This video's three years old, but I just came across your "Making the Case" series and I'm loving it. Well edited, excellent voice narration and writing, compelling arguments that give everyone a fair shake. Well done, @Clayton Crowley.

  • @zifirheretic
    @zifirheretic Před 4 lety +4

    I watched all of your videos, and thank you for making those for us. They were all very much fun to watch! But let me tell you this: Of all the videos you have so far made for these series, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that you made the best case (by far!) for Kareem. After watching your video, I am entirely convinced that he indeed IS the GOAT. Yet, I am looking forward to your MJ video. But as of now, I highly doubt if you can make an even better case for him!
    Again, thanks, and my best to you!

  • @shawnramey7736
    @shawnramey7736 Před 4 lety +11

    Love these but I don’t see how Kobe can’t be in one of these videos. Man was robbed of two mvps, led one of the worst teams to the playoffs multiple years, had 81 points. Anytime someone shoots something in the trash can, hamper anything who’s the name do you hear? Only reason he isn’t considered higher one the list was the years he didn’t have Shaq or Pau. Look at the all nba and all defense teams he won. Man is very underrated.

    • @thegreathutt
      @thegreathutt Před 4 lety +7

      I love kobe but he is overrated as hell.. not top 10 by any stretch

    • @amberbastianelli6025
      @amberbastianelli6025 Před 4 lety +6

      @@thegreathutt why do NBA arguments always come down to wild over exaggerations like this? Kobe is not the goat, but the vast majority of people put him top 10. Kobe not being top 10 would be like Kareem or LeBron not being top 5. For the most part, there seems to be a general consensus on who 9 or the 10 best players in NBA history are: Jordan, LeBron, Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Duncan, and Kobe. The majority of people have these 9 guys in their top 10 in some order. You can debate the order all day, but you'd be hard pressed to find more than 1 or 2 players that have a case over any one of them. The closest outside of them are the likes of Shaq, Oscar, Hakeem, West, Curry, Durant, Erving, Moses, and Dirk. I don't think there's any really strong case for any of them to be over any of the 9 guys I just listed, but even so, to pretend any one of those 9 isn't even *close* to the top 10 is a massive stretch. Curry and Durant will likely have cases in a year or two, but other than that, nobody really does.

    • @shawnramey7736
      @shawnramey7736 Před 4 lety +1

      thegreathutt clearly need to check his resume, look at all the all def teams and all nba teams. Who else has that?

    • @stevejackson1572
      @stevejackson1572 Před 4 lety +1

      @@shawnramey7736 FoSho!!!

    • @shawnramey7736
      @shawnramey7736 Před 4 lety +2

      I just think it’s blasphemous and ludicrous to say Kobe Bean was overrated. I mean for 15-16 years he was recognized world wide as 1-2 best player in the world. Even the players in the league put him number one. I’m a die hard fan but I mean man come on, the man was a pure assassin and killer on both ends of the floor. I put him on my top 5 any day of the week because when you need a bucket, someone shut down or anything else he was the man to go to. They say ball hog but look at his prime, who was he gonna give it to smush or kwame or the unforgettable Luke Walton?!?! Because if that’s the argument hell I just don’t know hoops.

  • @neonspinx
    @neonspinx Před 3 lety

    Im not even a huge basketball fan, but ever since discovering your "making the case" docs last night i have watched every one, and sent links to my father and brother. Great work. Thank you.

  • @joaopcoutinho
    @joaopcoutinho Před 4 lety

    This is probably the best series of NBA videos on youtube right now!
    Congrats on the content, I'm amazed by the quality, deepness and seek of unbias.

  • @emmanuelwilliams6004
    @emmanuelwilliams6004 Před 3 lety +4

    Maagic is the Goat he had more ways of impacting a game in his arsenal than anyone and a point guard legit point guard not a big man handling the ball Rookie Year Won the NBA CHAMPIONSHIP defeating Dr.Js 76ers. The GOAT FOR SURE !!!!

  • @BD-pg2ch
    @BD-pg2ch Před 4 lety +3

    Man people forget about the '88-89 Lakers team that swept all 3 of their opponents in the playoffs on their way to a possible 3-peat. Unfortunately Riley went overboard in his conditioning sessions before the Finals which directly caused both Magic and Scott to blow their hamstrings and that Lakers got swept w/o them. What we be thinking now about Magic if he had 6 rings?

    • @innosanto
      @innosanto Před 10 měsíci

      The same with now, that collectivelly with Bord they are the real goat.

  • @ybae
    @ybae Před 4 lety

    This is such a good video and series. You make better content than so many youtubers its crazy how these videos haven't blown up more. Thank you for your efforts

  • @feicheng2879
    @feicheng2879 Před 4 lety +1

    Honestly, this is some of the best basketball content I've seen on CZcams. Keep up the good work

  • @AdolfShitler69420
    @AdolfShitler69420 Před 4 lety +20

    Birds Legendary but if I’m starting a team gimme Magic Personally.

  • @theOnyFUFU
    @theOnyFUFU Před 4 lety +3

    I think Magic is one of those old school players who could dominate in any era. In today's league, 6'8+ PGs are still a match-up nightmare and destroying the league. Lebron, Ben Simmons and Giannis are all top players in the game. Magic would have to tweak his game slightly (look to score more & shoot more jumpers) but he would benefit greatly from all the spacing. Magic running a fast break in today's game would be deadly!
    I don't get why people compare Lebron to MJ when he's more like a bigger version of Magic with better scoring abilities.

    • @leonardoyi3183
      @leonardoyi3183 Před 4 lety +2

      Magic did develop into a very decent shooter at the end of his career. He shooted more thres, and was great at the free throw line. He would probably be a lot better shooter if he was drafted today.

    • @theOnyFUFU
      @theOnyFUFU Před 4 lety

      @@leonardoyi3183 Not saying he didn't improve his shot. I'm saying he would have to adjust his game slightly, the way most players (regardless of their shooting abilities) have had to do. Even current players have had to tweak their games for the modern NBA. Lebron didn't come into the league shooting a lot of threes but has been gradually shooting more and more. The Raptors tried to get Derozan to shoot more 3s instead of 2 point jumpers. Giannis has had to develop a jumper. The list goes on, but I think you get my point.

    • @leonardoyi3183
      @leonardoyi3183 Před 4 lety

      @@theOnyFUFU Listen, when magic entered the league for the 1979-1980 nba season, if i'm not mistaken, that was the first season with the 3 point line. So being said that, players that entered the league by that time, weren't used to practice the three point shot. If Magic were a rookie this past season, he would be a far better 3 point shooter than he was 30 years ago from day one, just by the simple fact that now all players practice the 3 point shot from the beginning. Magic would be scary in this era. Lebron James did come to the NBA in an ERA when the 3 point shot was as important as it is today, but he has developed a good enough 3 point shot to play in todays era.

    • @leonardoyi3183
      @leonardoyi3183 Před 4 lety +1

      @@theOnyFUFU if you compare Magic when he retired in 1991 to Giannis 2020, Magic was a far better shooter than Giannis is today.

  • @vicenteviolino
    @vicenteviolino Před 4 lety

    I just binge this entire series of videos. Amazing work.

  • @matthewnuhfer6851
    @matthewnuhfer6851 Před 11 měsíci

    This might be the best basketball content I've come across in a few years. Idk who u r buddy, but PLEASE keep up the great work! Knowledgeable, in depth, inbaised, and funnto watch!! The perfect storm for a sports history junkie like me!❤

  • @dr.christopherdiaz4473
    @dr.christopherdiaz4473 Před 4 lety +22

    If you grew up in the '80s, you feel like Magic is the GOAT.
    If you grew up in the '90s, you feel like Jordan is the GOAT.
    If you are growing up now, you feel like Lebron is the GOAT.
    I think you have to look at how impressionable you are as a child. When you see greatness for the first time in real time, its hard to shake that image. Numbers are the only thing you can look out, and which numbers you think are most important can vary wildly from person to person. Its not that basketball was better when you were a kid, its that life was better when you were a kid, and everything that happened at that time feels grander than it does when you are an adult, and the magic (no pun intended) starts to disappear from your reality.

    • @kevin8006
      @kevin8006 Před 4 lety +1

      Of course, the GOAT debate is after all subjective even though there are persistent fans out there claiming that it’s ‘objective’ in their favor of course ( I’m talking to you diehard MJ and LBJ fans ). It all comes down to which player impressed you the most when you were the most interested. And longetivity is important hence why they all have strong cases. Its exactly as you say it is. If you grew up watching the 80’s its Magic, 90’s it’s MJ and nowadays it’s Lebron. Every single sport has this. Tennis has the Federer - Nadal - Djokovic debate. People from 00’s believe that either Federer or Nadal deserves it, people now believe that Djokovic is the best. In the end it all comes down to the time period in which they’ve played and personal preferences. So just like tennis there’s no definitive objective answer.

    • @raw5889
      @raw5889 Před 3 lety

      Kevin no anyone that looks at the stats will clearly see that it’s Jordan.

    • @kevin8006
      @kevin8006 Před 3 lety +4

      RAW asshitshow if you look at stats then players like Wilt, Russel and Kareem have stronger cases than MJ. There is no objective answer as all people have different opinions of the ‘goat’ one might look at rings, others might look at stats and there are some who look at dominance. Lebron also has better stats than MJ since his efficiency rating is the highest ever I believe. Just looking at PPG etc does not make a player the goat imo. But you might believe otherwise. Wilt should then be awarded the goat award since he averaged 50ppg for a season at one point

    • @Kobs.A
      @Kobs.A Před 3 lety +5

      Exactly, ppl always say the games gone bad in all sports since the 90s. The truth is what you just said, we grew up and noticed life is not that fun

    • @josephjohnroe3678
      @josephjohnroe3678 Před 3 lety

      @@raw5889 if you look at stats it begins and ends with Wilt. Period.

  • @TheStratUchiha
    @TheStratUchiha Před 4 lety +32

    “Johnson came into the league and injected life into it.” 🤣🤣🤣 my mind is in places it shouldn’t be. Don’t be like me and think with your “Johnson” 🤣🤣

  • @drewholland2718
    @drewholland2718 Před 4 lety +1

    Keep doing what your doing man. These videos are fantastic.

  • @RandomTop5
    @RandomTop5 Před 4 lety +1

    great series, man. I predict good things for this channel in the future! keep it up and best of luck!

  • @beatenbytheclown
    @beatenbytheclown Před 4 lety +4

    Magic is the only player in basketball about whom you can watch a 10min highlight video containing nothing but passes.

    • @sandigunawan4947
      @sandigunawan4947 Před 4 lety

      What about Nash, Stockton and kidd?

    • @samuelperezgarcia
      @samuelperezgarcia Před 4 lety +1

      @@sandigunawan4947 None of those had the flair of Magic. Much less for a ten minute highlight reel. The only one that comes to mind is Larry Bird.

    • @sandigunawan4947
      @sandigunawan4947 Před 4 lety

      @@samuelperezgarcia bruh, all of them played for a long time and all of them is an extraordinary pass first point guard. You seriously think that none of them can't fill in a 10 minute highlight reel of only passing? They are all the same level or better in passing than Bird too. Bird is a better scorer and rebounder but definitely not passing.

    • @RoChede
      @RoChede Před 4 lety

      @@sandigunawan4947 A 10 minutes video with their passes would became boring after 2 minutes.
      And Bird was a super great passer.But, as a SF, he was not playmaking and carrying the ball all the time.If he were, he would average 10+ assists per game as well.

  • @greg2797
    @greg2797 Před 4 lety +21

    Magic, LeBron, and Bird have the most beautiful passes i've ever seen. They are geniuses at the game of basketball

    • @sohampatil5532
      @sohampatil5532 Před 4 lety +7

      Steve nashes were beautiful as well

    • @azc56
      @azc56 Před 4 lety +1

      Soham Patil true

    • @t.kingdom3663
      @t.kingdom3663 Před 4 lety +1

      You've never watched me play..

    • @greg2797
      @greg2797 Před 4 lety +2

      Soham Patil yup and Jason Kidd and Jason Williams. But I think Magic, LeBron and bird were on another level

    • @lloydkline6946
      @lloydkline6946 Před 3 lety +2

      Pistol pete maravich in that sentence

  • @justinspire7446
    @justinspire7446 Před 2 lety

    Thank you for the absolutely breathtaking narrative eloquence and historical reverence you chose to impart upon my favorite player of all time. I am really excited to watch how you will choose to evolve your gift and your craft. A pleasure to watch and reminisce.

  • @kenbliss5622
    @kenbliss5622 Před 4 lety +1

    I’m pretty impressed with how well you made these videos. This could totally be a TV series even. Send these into ESPN or something bro.

  • @smorgasbordtv4092
    @smorgasbordtv4092 Před 4 lety +12

    Wilt Chamberlain & Magic Johnson -The Goats

  • @Herv3
    @Herv3 Před 4 lety +8

    I'd like to see the 91 finals with a healthy James Worthy.

    • @BD-pg2ch
      @BD-pg2ch Před 4 lety +4

      Amen... And and 89 Finals with a healthy Magic and Scott

    • @noticemesenpai4452
      @noticemesenpai4452 Před 4 lety +1

      Or an ‘87 finals with healthy Parish, McHale, and Walton. Magic wasn’t the only person screwed by injured teammates

    • @BD-pg2ch
      @BD-pg2ch Před 4 lety

      @@noticemesenpai4452 Lol! Very true. It broke both ways for my Showtime Lakers. Lol..

    • @Herv3
      @Herv3 Před 4 lety +2

      @@noticemesenpai4452 I wasn't trying to make a point to bolster Magic's case for the GOAT. I just thought a healthy Worthy would have made it a great series.

    • @superandy2k13
      @superandy2k13 Před 4 lety

      Same result. Nobody was stopping Jordan

  • @OT-up7pc
    @OT-up7pc Před 3 lety

    Great series, very enjoyable story arcs and harmonic structure. Seeing rivalry together with mutual admiration really gives me goosebumps!

  • @lilstogie
    @lilstogie Před 4 lety

    this channel about to blow up! this series is great. super HQ content. 3rd vid ive had to share with friends. keep it up!!

  • @7scarld170
    @7scarld170 Před 4 lety +24

    “Coolest nick name” come on man what about Pistol Pete??

    • @Saternoc
      @Saternoc Před 4 lety +6

      One word trumps two tho.

    • @bigstar66
      @bigstar66 Před 4 lety +9

      Most people don't even know Magic's real name anymore

    • @bman1122
      @bman1122 Před 4 lety +2

      'Silk' Wilkes gets overlooked

    • @hectorandem2944
      @hectorandem2944 Před 4 lety +7

      @@bigstar66 Those same people don't know Pete's last name either. 🤷‍♂️

    • @ice_man81
      @ice_man81 Před 3 lety +5

      Dr J

  • @lamontmelrose7640
    @lamontmelrose7640 Před 4 lety +18

    Magic will forever be the greatest Point Guard in NBA history...no argument. Next to Marovich, no one can pass like him...he was way ahead of his time...and the ONLY player to play EVERY position on the floor to WIN an NBA Championship...as a freaking ROOKIE!!! Stop it already, Magic would take a dump on the league if he were playing now...so would BIRD...come on now.

    • @lamontmelrose7640
      @lamontmelrose7640 Před 3 lety +1

      @Leland Joseph I was making a comment on his passing skills and prowess...I didn't say anything about his defense or the lack thereof...I'm still of the opinion that he, along with Bird would have a great command of the league if they were playing today...

    • @shupyes4542
      @shupyes4542 Před 3 lety

      Bird is already playing nowadays, his name is Luka Doncic

    • @ajgreen6851
      @ajgreen6851 Před 3 lety

      Magic Johnson would get shut down by so many players right now

    • @lamontmelrose7640
      @lamontmelrose7640 Před 3 lety +1

      @@ajgreen6851 you would too at 63 years old!! Lol

    • @kabayodakila2481
      @kabayodakila2481 Před 2 lety

      Aj Green. The great players of today may get dizzy with Magic's moves and height of 6'9" but playing pointguard. Who does that today? Nada

  • @rodrigostinchcombe7396

    This series has been fun. Thanks

  • @jp3813
    @jp3813 Před 4 lety +14

    5:37 Magic is one of my three favorite players, but you said yourself that context is important when it comes to stats. One benefit to retiring during your prime is preserving your career averages. Magic actually stopped leading the league in assists once Stockton became a starter. The former reached 13+ apg once while the latter did so five times in a row. As for the playoffs, Magic played more postseason games especially in his prime than Stockton, leading to a higher career total. Of course, you can present other aspects in favor of Magic's passing, but I just wanted to clarify that particular detail.

    • @leonardoyi3183
      @leonardoyi3183 Před 4 lety +6

      Stop some nonsense. Magic has 2346 assist (190 games) in the playoff. Stockton has 1839 (182 games). There's a difference of 507 assist, but Magic only played 8 more games than Stockton. Stockton was a great passer, but he was no Magic. Much of his assist were by Pick and Roll. Russell Westbrook averaged more than 10 assist per game over 4 seasons. But he was nowhere near Magic in passing ability. So it's not only the numbers, also the quality of the assist. Not only Magic delivered in the regular season, he also did it in the playoff...

    • @jp3813
      @jp3813 Před 4 lety +7

      @@leonardoyi3183 Keyphrases: "especially in his prime", "you can present other aspects in favor of Magic's passing". I'm very well aware of how clutch Magic was and definitely raised his game in the playoffs, but he already played 186 postseason games in his first 12 years as opposed to Stockton's 107 (14 of which was under 19 minutes). Averaging 10 assists for both already results in a 790 difference.

    • @lloydkline6946
      @lloydkline6946 Před 4 lety +2

      Ervin johnson was nba first 6feet 8 inches point guard, change nba forever,

    • @leonardoyi3183
      @leonardoyi3183 Před 4 lety

      @@lloydkline6946 first, is not ervin johnson, it's Earvin Johnson, second he was 6ft9in not 6ft8in...

    • @lloydkline6946
      @lloydkline6946 Před 4 lety

      @@leonardoyi3183 detroit newspapers got an big article on early high school ervin johnson they said he was 6 feet 8 inches

  • @michaelpascarello895
    @michaelpascarello895 Před 2 lety +3

    All Magic did was WIN!!!

  • @bradbowhunts
    @bradbowhunts Před 4 lety

    Fun stuff to watch. I just burned through all your "Making the Case" vids last night. You have a very professional sound and delivery. I don't sub to CZcams channels as a rule. In fact, I only currenly am subbed to one but you just made my second. Good job and keep 'em coming!

  • @alexfafoutakis
    @alexfafoutakis Před 3 lety

    Already liking this series

  • @sh6700
    @sh6700 Před 4 lety +76

    Everyone waiting for Alex caruso making the case like this comment

    • @thebeatleswin1
      @thebeatleswin1 Před 4 lety +4

      Fishing for likes, that’s cute

    • @sh6700
      @sh6700 Před 4 lety +16

      thebeatleswin1 acting pretentious, that’s cute

    • @thebeatleswin1
      @thebeatleswin1 Před 4 lety +3

      thelilcrunchy I don’t think you know what the word means my guy. Nice try though, maybe next video

    • @sh6700
      @sh6700 Před 4 lety +6

      thebeatleswin1 to explain, I meant that you were trying to act holier than thou and act as if you were above me because I was looking for community appreciation. Which I was not, generally liking a comment is stating that you agree with the statements contained within said comment.

    • @nothanks6290
      @nothanks6290 Před 4 lety +4

      thebeatleswin1 go fuck yourself buddy we are all just trying to have a laugh.

  • @shanefield7339
    @shanefield7339 Před rokem +1

    I started watching at the end of magic/bird, so don't have many memories of them. But now in my late 30s, I REALLY have enjoyed watching Magic. He was definitely 20-30 years ahead of his time in play-style, and he really did have no flaws.

  • @btknight17
    @btknight17 Před 4 lety

    These are all so well written and edited

  • @elroc1
    @elroc1 Před 3 lety

    You’ve done a great job with these. I’m a big fan!

  • @jonathanjames6405
    @jonathanjames6405 Před 3 lety

    Great job on this series.

  • @dewanyebirks6514
    @dewanyebirks6514 Před 4 lety

    Really love this guys channel !!

  • @dustintucci2606
    @dustintucci2606 Před 4 lety

    These are some great video's keep them coming!

  • @christianblanton4155
    @christianblanton4155 Před 4 lety

    Very well put together, subscribed!

  • @richardnelson7442
    @richardnelson7442 Před 3 lety

    Found you on someone else’s CZcams. First subscribe I’ve had in a while and so worth it. CZcams needs to work on that algorithm.

  • @hollins625
    @hollins625 Před 2 lety +2

    Very good video. Thanks! As much as I love Magic, to me, he has only one chance to be in the GOAT conversation: If we count only 12 years and completely discount Defense.

  • @robinrahmani4705
    @robinrahmani4705 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video. Magic was incredible. Nicely done.

  • @bryanfreeman3411
    @bryanfreeman3411 Před 4 lety

    Another well done video. Good job

  • @wavebuurgslim2063
    @wavebuurgslim2063 Před 3 lety

    This was beautifully done.

  • @cameronnovak
    @cameronnovak Před rokem

    Nicely done!

  • @GloryBe2God
    @GloryBe2God Před 4 lety

    GREAT VIDEO! Keep these up

  • @mediamannaman
    @mediamannaman Před 4 lety

    Another instant classic, Mr. Crowley.

  • @johncrosby8735
    @johncrosby8735 Před 4 lety

    Amazing videos, thank you!

  • @funnyspoonman7437
    @funnyspoonman7437 Před 4 lety

    This channel is about to blow up.... Huge

  • @garomanoug
    @garomanoug Před 4 lety

    Sensational video! Great job. 🙌👏👏👏👏 I grew up watching Magic and Bird rivalry and learned that there is no GOAT in bball only great players who make plays when it matters. The best players never shy from being in the spotlight and always remain humble in their confidence. Magic was one of a kind! I was lucky to be a bball fan and learn the game when he was having such an impact on it.

  • @farooqkhan1149
    @farooqkhan1149 Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you very much, a great player I wish Magic played a few more years.

  • @joshuataboada5087
    @joshuataboada5087 Před 4 lety

    WE NEED MORE

  • @andymoynihan1815
    @andymoynihan1815 Před 4 lety

    great work man

  • @TheLosrodri
    @TheLosrodri Před 4 lety

    Bro your videos are next level . This is high quality shit compared to a lot of the other nba 🐐 videos

  • @TunezCottage
    @TunezCottage Před 4 lety

    wow this channel is quality... you're gonna grow fast. Best of luck to yah!

  • @catherinelynnfraser2001

    Great series

  • @michaelwoods2477
    @michaelwoods2477 Před 3 lety

    Just came across your channel I'm all in NEW SUB...Great Work 👏...

  • @thegoodprince3264
    @thegoodprince3264 Před 11 měsíci

    1:37. Damn, Rick Barry out here catching strays.

  • @Mesonoxia366
    @Mesonoxia366 Před 12 dny

    Thank you for making this video. It should be shouted from the mountain top. Watch the documentary always showtime.

  • @kjfdsjknfjknafknsdlfnla7908

    great job man!